I really don't think duck hunt is that bad. I mained him in 4, and he's got good traps as long as you're patient. He's definitely not high tier, but the distance between top tier and mid-low (where I would put DHD) is not that great in this game . That first game showed how close it could be.
@@moocowp4970 The issue really just comes down to Duck Hunt's kill potential. Because Duck Hunt has very poor landing and recovery options and is also light, he's very easy to KO. On the flip side to this, it's difficult for Duck Hunt to KO due to having lackluster kill options. That said, he's a really fun and decent character. The balance team just needs to focus on the character more.
@@kaiserxblue raito is pretty good. I mean in any tournament setting characters lower than top tier usually aren't picked but raito has used duck hunt for so long
Commentators were so biased. Raito read a roll from mkleo because he conditioned him with the can. Comnentators go "He just ran up into an upsmash with no reason behind it" 😭😭
I complain about characters sometimes, but this whole tournament has demonstrated the great effort of the developers to keep this game decently balanced. Well done to both players. Duck Hunt Boys for life.
The download was ready after that 2nd game. Leo can beat japan's best. He has to redeem himself against kameme though. Let's go leo. Tweek will be waiting for you at grands :)
one of the worst match up for Duck hunt. Joker's Edgeguard is insane, and he has also great reflect. Up-air, Duck hunt's best move, is doesn't work well because of gun.
I feel like Joker is fairly balanced except it would be good to have a few minor nerfs, that Rebellion Guard just lasts SOOOOOO long, it should be same length as other counters so you can deal with it in the air. As it stands on the ground you can deal with it if you read it and go for a grab (which in itself is already favourable to Joker), but in the air it's a bit BS. Joker can just hold it for so long until the other player is forced to retreat back to stage and then Joker can get on with his tether grab uncontested. I think nerfing Arsene slightly by making the character lighter while he has it or maybe slower (make it a bit more glass cannon-y) could help too. But man, Leo is just a beast, makes Joker look sooo good.
@@danieldancer4065 He's not really, he's slightly below average (46th heaviest, so a bit lighter than average, but not light); but I more meant it would be good if there was some more slight downside to having Arsene, maybe decreasing weight isn't particularly a good way, but essentially his only downside is being able to get 2 framed slightly easier, I feel it would be more entertaining if he was a bit glass cannon-y (since Joker without Arsene isn't exactly bad, I figure Joker with Arsene should have some more counterplay)
Can we talk about the f smash at 6:00? He held it for so long and yet still landed it. Edit: I can't tell, but it looks like he extended the duration of the hitbox by hitting the can too, which is why it still hit maybe?
Yes, When attacking something in this game the hitbox will linger for some strange reason, extending how active it is. Not sure, why it's like that though...
Yes. It was a hitbox extension. Even so, I dont know how Raito died at 6:04 . If you see the minimap, it seems that Raito DIed correctly and managed to save himself... but a few frames later, the game decided to take his stock. Its strange.
MkLeo is the best player in the world. He didn't win this because Joker > Duck Hunt, he won because MkLeo > Raito. It is interesting to think whether Raito would get better results with a different main, but I feel what he loses in piloting such a tricky character, he makes up for in the fact that he almost always knows the match-up better than his opponent.
Leo is playing out of his mind, he just destroyed Samsora. I'm not a big fan of Tweek and with the way he's playing Leo seems to be the only one who can beat him.
Wha? Top eight is best of 3. This is some bs, and stop saying Duck Hunt Dog. You are actually adding to the name. It would be like calling Villager, Animal Crossing Villager.
Thing is there probably isn't another character as dependent on a single move as Duck Hunt is on Can. That invariably means that the move is going to get very stale and have limited killing power.
@@jojoisopzawardo1123 Idiot , Joker is Good , doesnt Need buffs . Kameme won with a Megaman against leo it all boils down to the players skill and how they use a characters tools
Props to him to making it this far with duck hunt
That’s pretty damn impressive
I really don't think duck hunt is that bad. I mained him in 4, and he's got good traps as long as you're patient. He's definitely not high tier, but the distance between top tier and mid-low (where I would put DHD) is not that great in this game . That first game showed how close it could be.
Join the duck hunt discord, the one that Raito is actually in.
@@moocowp4970 The issue really just comes down to Duck Hunt's kill potential. Because Duck Hunt has very poor landing and recovery options and is also light, he's very easy to KO. On the flip side to this, it's difficult for Duck Hunt to KO due to having lackluster kill options. That said, he's a really fun and decent character. The balance team just needs to focus on the character more.
Oh and his dair spike is another kill option (although obviously not a particularly reliable one)
Duck Hunt seems pretty good actually. I think it’s just that people don’t care about him at all so nobody plays him
someone who reached top 8 with Duck hunt deserves applause.
He got 3rd at the largest major in Japan and has gotten top 8 in the states her plenty of times too
That dunk hunt is ranked 13th in the world
God damn. GG to Leo.
Raito did so well as Duck Hunt it's surprising how much he can hold off against Joker. Kudos to my fav player.
Ratio deserves more attention for a guy that gets top 8 with duck hunt
Lol late comment
the difference between game 1 and game 2 is just insane, what a download
MkLeo seems to be a massive beast regarding adaptation.
Mklea vs tweek was a massive download too
Spoiler
Down 2-0 and then won 6 in a row to win the grand final
Raito is so fun to watch. I love seeing a weird fighter be used to their fullest potential.
agree!
I know right!
“Raito’s not out of this just yet!”
*Raito gets hit by kill confirm*
“...Oh.”
shes annoying
Commentator's curse
MKLeo making this matches too short that they have to fill it in to 10:00
VGBootCamp needs that ad revenue lol
LMFAOOO this is true as hell
Light vs. PBH is the ultimate stretch
It’s just for more money they don’t really care about how long the matches are
@@cloudy0712 making it to 10:00 doesn't actually increase you revenue it just allows you to create mid roll ad's (which they didn't even add)
Ok, Raito may have lost, but that spike around 7:35 was godlike
Agreed.
Man, Duck Hunt is one of the most underrated characters and he made top 5 and Raito played very well. Duck Hunt is at least high tier because of this.
Much respects to Raito! Mkleo its cool and all but I you can't deny how duckhunt manage to get this far even though its considered a "low tier"
He's mid
Some people said that about Joker too ironically
Duck hunt is considered mid tier
@@theexaltedlt8222 whatever! My point is that mid and low tier are not considered for tournaments like EVO
@@kaiserxblue raito is pretty good. I mean in any tournament setting characters lower than top tier usually aren't picked but raito has used duck hunt for so long
Commentators were so biased. Raito read a roll from mkleo because he conditioned him with the can. Comnentators go "He just ran up into an upsmash with no reason behind it" 😭😭
I complain about characters sometimes, but this whole tournament has demonstrated the great effort of the developers to keep this game decently balanced.
Well done to both players. Duck Hunt Boys for life.
Until a hero comes along...a hero must be strong, #heroischaos
nerf ivysaur’s up and down air
Dang this comment aged like milk 😞
Leo is a damn beast abusing this dog all because he wants to beat Samsora again.
Vaya adaptación la de Leo... sólo le tomó una vida comprender el juego de Raito.
Una vida.
The stretch to 10 minutes is real
正直ダッグハント舐めててライトさんの人柄からも中堅ぐらいだと思ってたけどこの動画みて考えが変わった。語彙力無くなるけどマジですごくて動画開始からずっと｢すご｣って言ってたw
ライトさんに惚れました。ライトさんは僕の憧れですw
They really be using a can of beans to extend their hit boxes. Nice spike and forward smash from that.
MKLeo CHILL BRO CHILL
MKLeo at the end of the 1st match: download complete.
2nd match: initiate
Dang Duck hunt Gangster till the other guy with a toy gun shows up
Nerf Leo Pls!
Yes nerf his Joker
@@cailieisidro5758 no
There’s nothing wrong with Joker...
@@J_larry this comment aged like milk
@@Hi-fd4cw I forgot I said this 😆
The download was ready after that 2nd game. Leo can beat japan's best. He has to redeem himself against kameme though. Let's go leo. Tweek will be waiting for you at grands :)
Yo, as a Joker main, this was impressive, but tbf both players were incredible. Congratulations to mkleo though.
-Everybody: Follow tierlists made by proffesionals at tournaments
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I’m not gonna lie. When i was scrolling down, i thought the duck was kazooie for a minute
I'm maining duck hunt after this
leoの対応力エグすぎるw
one of the worst match up for Duck hunt. Joker's Edgeguard is insane, and he has also great reflect. Up-air, Duck hunt's best move, is doesn't work well because of gun.
I feel like Joker is fairly balanced except it would be good to have a few minor nerfs, that Rebellion Guard just lasts SOOOOOO long, it should be same length as other counters so you can deal with it in the air. As it stands on the ground you can deal with it if you read it and go for a grab (which in itself is already favourable to Joker), but in the air it's a bit BS. Joker can just hold it for so long until the other player is forced to retreat back to stage and then Joker can get on with his tether grab uncontested.
I think nerfing Arsene slightly by making the character lighter while he has it or maybe slower (make it a bit more glass cannon-y) could help too.
But man, Leo is just a beast, makes Joker look sooo good.
Joker is already light
@@danieldancer4065 He's not really, he's slightly below average (46th heaviest, so a bit lighter than average, but not light); but I more meant it would be good if there was some more slight downside to having Arsene, maybe decreasing weight isn't particularly a good way, but essentially his only downside is being able to get 2 framed slightly easier, I feel it would be more entertaining if he was a bit glass cannon-y (since Joker without Arsene isn't exactly bad, I figure Joker with Arsene should have some more counterplay)
@@moocowp4970 all they need to do is probably make it 20sec instead of 30sec .
Can we talk about the f smash at 6:00? He held it for so long and yet still landed it.
Edit: I can't tell, but it looks like he extended the duration of the hitbox by hitting the can too, which is why it still hit maybe?
Yes, When attacking something in this game the hitbox will linger for some strange reason, extending how active it is. Not sure, why it's like that though...
It's a little subtler, but Raito did the same extension of the hitbox with the spike that happened shortly after.
Yes. It was a hitbox extension. Even so, I dont know how Raito died at 6:04 . If you see the minimap, it seems that Raito DIed correctly and managed to save himself... but a few frames later, the game decided to take his stock. Its strange.
お疲れさまです！
7:45 parametric commentater curse
Ok but can we talk about how a duck hunt and a G&W player both got like super far in evo and duck hunt even got to top 8? dang
Raito top 8 evo last year so it’s not surprising at all
leoバケモノすぎる。。
づきお。 エムケレイオは世界一番のプレイヤーだから。
づきお。
センスと努力の結果や
I wanna see Tweek vs MkLeo on grand finals.
Let’s go Leo
6:05 Did the can really hit him?
ステージエグいな…
ライトさんまじで上手いんだろうけどあまりにもダックハント見ないから正直うまいの基準がわからない
ダックハントこんな強キャラやっけw使いこなしすぎw
Welp that was RUFF
LEOOO!!! NUMERO UNO!!!
To see raito make such a run with an off meta character at evo, just to get destroyed like this haha
NOOOOOO i was rooting for Raito :(
Same here
Same he’s like the only duck hunt player out here. We gotta rep
Say can of beans one more time, I dare ya
Nice moves Joker!
Mkleo doesn’t even need to try. Dear god joker has some insane kill power
Duck hunt can’t even kill at ledge 125%. FeelsBadMan.
MkLeo is the best player in the world. He didn't win this because Joker > Duck Hunt, he won because MkLeo > Raito.
It is interesting to think whether Raito would get better results with a different main, but I feel what he loses in piloting such a tricky character, he makes up for in the fact that he almost always knows the match-up better than his opponent.
@@alexpotts6520 its a little of both. DH's close game is hot garbage which is Jokers bnb.
@@skyisdeaf904 there was a lot of joker players but they didn't end up in top 8, why? Because the player is the problem
Gaspar Alejandro top 64* pretty sure Leo's joker is the only one making top 64
@@gasparmxm why was their only one PT in top 8? One Lucina in top 8? Snake? Kind of a silly response. My comment still stands.
Joker isn’t a dog person... go figure...
Yeah hes more of a cat person because of morgana
7:23 “Ahh” you nasty girl
レオの勝利画面羨ましいなー
my man raito was robbed of his set
Mk Leo said no! No no no! Ratio had nowhere to go in the second set. But looked good in the first set.
I really want to see new names in the tops :(
Then tell the people to get good lol
The second match go down when the side smash from MK.Leo hits Raito :'
Leo is playing out of his mind, he just destroyed Samsora. I'm not a big fan of Tweek and with the way he's playing Leo seems to be the only one who can beat him.
Jokers broken arsene won mkleo the tournament lol . It’s crazy how low he can back air someone at 70% and get a kill plus recover back .
Aww i remember comments like this about joker is broken, the only thing i can do you laugh xd
Joker is balanced, Arsene isn't
7:36 OOF
Leo強過ぎねぇかwww
I was rooting for raito
Wha? Top eight is best of 3. This is some bs, and stop saying Duck Hunt Dog. You are actually adding to the name. It would be like calling Villager, Animal Crossing Villager.
Nerf leo
This just proves that tier lists mean almost nothing
Huh? A low tier character just got destroyed by a high tier? Besides DH, almost all of the top eight were either high or top tier lol.
@@skyisdeaf904 But a low tier character got top 8 though, which is very impressive.
@@skyisdeaf904 duck hunt is mid tier
Is he SMG4'S brother?
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d o g a b u s e . #PleaseStopTheAnimalAbuse
Nooo my boy raito
With the jv 3 my fucking god
Leo put that duck hunt on a leash!! 😵
Bruh, the can didn't kill at the ledge at 125%... Pathetic asf :/
Thing is there probably isn't another character as dependent on a single move as Duck Hunt is on Can. That invariably means that the move is going to get very stale and have limited killing power.
Animal abuse
First view! Let's go MKLEO!!!
Nils Rodas SAME go Leo!!!
Damn i really wanted a low tier to win! Oh well Raito did great haha GGs
-nerf joker-
raito is best player
Thank god. I was not gonna be able to watch another duck hunt match.
Gosh, Joker is such a lame character ngl.
Lol the curse on leo and raito
Buff Joker
Looking broken Joker
Not hating on Raito but his play style is so freaking obnoxious
ダックハントの戦い方というかキャラコンセプトが好かん
わかるしゲムウォも好かない……
プレイヤーがめちゃくちゃ上手いのはほんとにわかるんだけどね……
それ
犬やゲムヲはキャラ本人はめっちゃ必死に戦ってる感じで好きだわ。個人的に剣キャラの方がリーチの理不尽を押し付けてくるから嫌だ
ダックハントやゲムヲよりもリンク系のほうが好かんわ。近距離も遠距離も強いとか普通におかしい
Alice リンク系はガード主軸になるから上手な人と当たって練習するしかないよなぁ
Pls nerf joker
Nerf leo*
And joker
@@jojoisopzawardo1123 Idiot , Joker is Good , doesnt Need buffs . Kameme won with a Megaman against leo it all boils down to the players skill and how they use a characters tools
Zenith dude joker have easy combo, kill confirms, is fast and really good recovery and true damage in my opinion joker is so dumb.
Zenith joker cover any option win any match up is really dumb.
Dang