Their goal isn't to get the work done, it's to get rid of you--likely because you've told them stuff like that in the past. Worker rights are fun and all, but at the end of the day the employer holds the cards.
In Australia there's a legal term for it. Constructive dismissal - basically making the work environment so toxic that the employee has no choice but to quit.
@@raylouis7013people with a constructive dismissal have Been fired illegally for no wrong doing And A ‘just cause’ is when you resign with legitimate reason(s) Stress Pain /health Family issues And I’m sure there are other reasons
I got my unemployment after they fired me for misconduct, I told the ED they never used progressive discipline, never received any verbal or written write ups regarding behavior, never mentioned anything over the last 18 years working there that there was any problems then all of a sudden placed me on administrative leave pending investigation over false allegations and incidents reports of misconduct. Fucking assholes, all of them conspired together against me. You know who you are. Time will come around again for you to meet your karma. Enjoy. All things work toward the purpose and for the glory of God. Thank You God for all you have gave to me and protecting me from this evil world. Your humble servant.
"you're a big boy and you'll figure out" is near the top of my list of least favourite responses when asking for help with something. This is why a good boss is more important than a good job!
Never happened to me, and I haven't allowed my directors/VP's & managers over the years to even take the courage to ask me to work more or mess up my work-life balance. It all comes down to how you value yourself and how smartly you get things done; and most importantly, create an aura around you of someone who gets results, but isn't someone to be triffled with or played around with. 15 years of career woth cou tkess promotions, title changes in various firms and industries, and haven’t worked a single day where I worked even a minute more than my stated hours or worked over the weekend; neither did anyone ever ask me to do so. Value Yourself, you are an asset to your firm; so flaunt your value.
I noped out of a job because of this. Found a new job over the next week and gave them about 3 days notice. "I'm moving on, Friday is my last day--here's my badge and laptop". LOL--the manager lost his mind. When the VP asked me why, I told him, "I'm just giving you the same respect you showed me--none". Two years later guess who showed up for a interview?
It happens frequently in many workplaces. The workplace doesn’t want to fire you per se they want you to quit. But if you don’t quit, they’ll keep giving you unreasonable expectations setting the bar higher and higher and then blaming you when you can’t achieve it. When they do eventually get around to firing you they’ll use these failures as the reason. This happened to my mom when she worked for WCB. She knew they were trying to get rid of her, but she held out and made them fire her, then negotiated a payout which was the equivalent of a year’s salary which sustained her until she found a new position. It’s bit of a despicable practice but many places get away with it. It’s usually the workplaces that claim they’re “like a family “
THIS. I’m going through it right now, in fact. Luckily, I’ve already begun my job search so the blow won’t be as severe when the hammer finally comes down, which could happen today (Friday), this coming Monday, or even 6 months from now. By firing me, they’re just giving me what I wanted so I can get out of my current toxic hellhole. Happy hunting, peeps, and keep your heads held high!
My boss ignored all my complaints and allowed other employees and customers to treat me like crap took away overtime after they saw no problem with my work shoes slicing into my feet. I left my job of 15 years so I could walk 300 miles to raise awareness for suicide prevention
Yes, this actually did happen to me at the last place I worked at. There was a change in management so things were a bit chaotic at the start, which most employees gave a pass for. However, the new manager soon started targeting specific employees to make them quit. And it was employees who usually kept their heads down and did their jobs. So a very toxic work environment became the norm. The only employees who WEREN'T targeted were those that kissed up to management. Joining in the attacks on the targeted employees. Stirring the toxic waste pot. Those of us who were targeted, did quit. But we also got the last laugh as we all found new jobs that were so much better and in healthy work environments elsewhere.
@@landerson7348 Constructive dismissal is also illegal here in the UK. Lots of places do it and you have to be able to PROVE it, which can be difficult when management is pissing with your logs.
It's subtle. They gaslight you by putting you in a situation to not have a work/life balance and then blame you for not managing your time. They ask questions like, "How can we help you to better manage your time properly?" But never move forward on that development piece.
@@AmeliaPlayz me too! Keep your head up and your eyes open. I went through it about a month ago, received a private apology. Then yesterday, the CNO is my office on bs. Praying for better for all of us
@@monawilliams286 It's clear My boss doesn't want me there. She has suggested that I resign multiple times now. Whenever I bring up my issues, she always gives me the same excuse. It's BS and I'm over it.
I had a boss that was trying to force me out. I kept meeting her demands, and was there far longer than she wanted. The rest of my team quit, and I stayed a little bit longer until there were new employees hired. She wound up dressing me down loudly one day after one of them asked me a question and I was explaining what the current process was. The boss wanted the new employees to completely recreate every process that was in place to suit their desires. I frustrated her so badly because I didn't quit when the rest of the team did. I wound up leaving the job, about a month later and moved out of state. I found out she "retired" 3 months later, but not before her new hires also bailed.
I had a boss who tried to get me to quit but I just had to endure because the union job came with a two bedroom apartment and good benefits and I had a newborn to care for. I was thankful for the union and the benefits allowed me to seek professional help to deal with the harassment. I worked all the overtime I could which raised my Social Security payments.
I got quiet fired from my job... It was a Starbucks coffee job, and they kept changing my schedule around and put me on mornings when they knew I couldn't work mornings. I quit real quick
@@troylundy5807 actually I was a great employee I came in whenever they asked and did everything expected of me. That didn't mean I had to take their crap though.
@@troylundy5807Um, not necessarily. Some managers basically only want their friends or "minions" working there. That same thing happened to me at bath and Bodyworks. I worked there for 4 years, and we got a horrible new district manager who fired the store manager and promoted the ass kissing assistant manager and as soon as that happened, she started pulling her toxic bullshit like ignoring my availability, that she knew full well from working with me for 3 years. A LOT of employees quit because of her, but I hung on for another year to show her that it would not be that easy, but even I got sick of her shit. Oh, and no one could say that I was a "bad employee" either. I was one of their best sellers. I could get some of the biggest cheapskates to buy things and wasn't afraid to make customers understand that they are not there to "just look". I kept conversion and sales up as well. I also covered shifts when employees were quitting left and right. Sometimes the manager is just a Summer's Eve.
@@troylundy5807you can’t assume that with little information. At my job it was common to get a schedule change when someone else quit or went back to school etc.
I've seen something similar where someone (aka victim) will get promoted/transfered to a position/department that they are HORRIBILY under qualified for. Since they really dont know how to do the job they were pushed into, their performance tanks while trying to learn the basics. This is then used as the reason for termination of said employee AND is used in justification of hiring outside the company instead of an internal transfer (which is probably what they wanted to do in the first place because they had someone in mind but got told no). Corporate America, gotta love it 🙃
Yes, my last job I worked 18 hrs a day (WFH, no joke), they ended up firing me and hiring 3 people to do all my work. I begged for 6 months or more that I was overwhelmed and I couldn't do everything, read every email, attend every meeting, etc. Meetings all day, working on assignments until midnight, going to sleep just to wake in a panic that I need to do something I forgot. Boss too busy to help or care, though she talked a good game. I ended up making 2 major mistakes but I had no clue until people started yelling. I was put on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP). I was so happy they fired me but it pissed me off how they did it. I literally had PTSD afterwards: waking up in a panic in the middle of night thinking I missed sending/reading an email, that I forgot to prepare for projects/meetings, didn't do something, etc. So glad I don't work there and they definitely 'quiet fired' me but it was so wrong after working at the company for 10 years.
Yep had that happen then I told them that they needed to find somebody else to do the second portion of the job that they expected me a request because I am no longer doing it. Told them if they don't like my decision they can fire me. Two weeks later they found someone to come in part time during the week do the extra work that I was doing
That happened to me. Some managers (including the lady from HR) kept harassing me and taking me to the the office, every f*ing time was about some gossip or my attitude or any other nonsense, going so far as to create situations where there were none. Mind you, I worked 8 years at that place; changing positions from the bottom up. Constantly being a top performer and seller. Even started management training (which I refused because of salary and hours required), but being a bartender was more flexible and financially wise. After a year of abuse, I was fired last week. “Speaking with ill intend about the company to a possible new hire candidate”, the most bulls*** reason. I just told this lady to her face that it was obvious some of them just wanted to get rid of me. They went and talk about me who knows what to the owner of the place. Here I am, jobless but peaceful at last.
Always make them ask you to leave.... You can get severance and unemployment. Establishing a rightful condition to fire somebody is not easy.. especially their work history is average..
Yuuuuup and my manager ended up quitting before I did. That’s what they told us at least, we are all positive she was told to quit or else she’d be fired.
Started a job 12/19/22. Saw my trainer twice for a short time before her Christmas vacay. She became hospitalized for 2+ months. During that time many GREAT changes were in process and management sincerely didn’t have time to train me. Late Feb/early March, trainer was out of hospital and graciously offered to meet with me on a Sat. It was helpful but I had already been drowning the 2-3 months I’d been there. Within a month or so, all of Leadership I was under quit. Now the interim managers are faulting me for things I don’t know. Yesterday, I was told I’m failing and being silently terminated. He didn’t fire me but is discouraging me to get on an action plan 🤔 Things they’ve said tell me the Action Plan is a set up for me to fail (I told them that to his face and he didn’t deny it) They likely don’t want to fire me to avoid paying unemployment.
This happened to me at the end of my last job before I became a teacher. Another big buzz word is for a supervisor you don't report to directly, asking you to give a detailed description of what your position has evolved into
This is more of a battle of the wills than anything. I’ve been here before, but the boss got so frustrated at the fact that I knew the job description. was one of the few people that can actually get it done the right way she ultimately caved and fired me which in all honesty was a blessing in disguise. I took out unemployment, took a break for about a month and a half, and got a job working for their competitor. Granted this was years ago, but this short reminded me of that.
My favorite thing to do here its exhaust them by doing everything they ask them asking "What can I do next?" with a happy attitude. They run out of things to burden you with, but they have to internalize their frustration because you are being a model above-and-beyond employee. Your direct supervisors will love you fir it and usually have your back. It's exactly what Jesus meant when he said "whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him too." The Roman soldiers could legally force people to carry their pack for a distance but could get in trouble for making civilians carry it any further. It's not only shit having a serving spirit, but doing it so much that you turn the tables on your persecutor.
@@wolfgangi oh I definitely do that too. But not right away because I am also petty and dont want to give them the satisfaction. Haha. Wait till you get them at the end of their rope thinking they arent going to get rid of you... then leave. Hahaha
I actually had this problem recently. The sous chef at my job was taking over for the head chef, and she had me working 50+ hrs a week after just barely testing negative for COVID after having COVID. Not only that, but I ended up with a respiratory virus and fevers for the entirety of 2 weeks afterwards, and I was constantly verbally @bused and threatened with pay cut/severe hour cuts because I was just getting worse and worse. The final straw was when I called to let her know that I was going to be about an hour or so late because I had a flat tire and had to scramble for change so I could take the bus to work. She literally cussed me out and belittled me saying that someone my age shouldn't be so sick all the time and that it was ridiculous that I was struggling so much. I quit that very same day and told them I wouldn't be coming in for my 2 week notice. Of course, I felt bad because the head chef was forced to put off his quitting to make up for the fact that the sous chef chased me off the way she did, but I dont feel bad. I don't care what people say... No one deserves any form of @buse at work.
ABSOLUTELY gosh. And I ended up crying during a 1 on 1 and he had the audacity to tell me not to talk to the other managers about it. I asked other managers for feedback and they had nothing. :l I quit and he quit without notice right before me
I got quiet fired from my job just yesterday. I’ve been dealing with 2 parents who had terminal illnesses. It got to me so hard that I asked for an ADA exemption. (I have clinical depression) Very soon after my boss started ignoring my communications, taking projects away, canceling our meetings, and having leadership meetings without me. When my parents died 2 weeks apart I took 3 days each for bereavement. She fired me 2 weeks later. (Yesterday) It’s been a hellish few weeks.
I totally understand These people have no empathy. Something similar happened with my parent. I had no other choice than to quit due to the EXTREME stress. My condolences to you and I’m wishing you all the BEST.
It has to me before. I had a bossa named Travis and I used to be a grocery store worker. Once you left him, every employee started opening up their mouths and they thought that they can get away with it so I will just put in my two week notice. And when you mentioned something about quiet firing, you reminded me just exactly that
Make sure you know their own overtime policies inside and out. Bc that’s how you can legitimately turn down too much work. If they insist on the work, then you insist they send the request to you in an email. Then you send the email to HR and make sure you have a copy of it yourself if its needed in a suit later.
First major job out of college. It started gradually, an hour here, a couple in one week. By the time it got the worst, I was worked through the company Christmas party without help. Eventually, I had enough. I was gradually taking things home so, if they fired me, I would not have to carry much. I heard that I was being let go the day before they were going to do it. I wrote a resignation letter just to have it with me. So, the following morning I came in and was called into the office as I knew I would be. As they fired me, I said I was feeling the same way and that I had my letter. I didn't give it to them because you can't collect unemployment insurance when you quit. I was smart and thanked them, got up and left.
Did this in retail. Give the bad employee the worst hours and tasks, they will leave voluntarily and the Corp doesn't have to pay unemployment. It's a tactic used for years.
I had a version of this, but it wasn’t about forcing us to quit. The boss over committed the organization to a workload easily three times too big for the staff capacity given the timelines they agreed to in contract. The result was near total organizational burn out and an extremely high turn over rate that offloaded work onto remaining staff. Emotional manipulation, threats of firing, threats against professional reputation, and screaming were normal forms of management. I made it a year and a half before taking a 30% pay cut to switch organizations. Since leaving, the staff has turned over nearly three times in three years.
Lmao here in my area they can't change your schedule that quick and expect you to follow through with it, they have to give you a full 2 weeks schedule so you can keep track
It happened to me. You see they start by making you question yourself. And make you doubt your own abilities. They will ask you to quit on your own. And when you refuse they will make your job harder. They will make you afraid of making the slightest mistakes in fear of being written up. At first they will say that these write ups aren’t that serious and it’s just a way to coach you on how to do better. They will even tell you what to write in it and what to take out of it. Then they will use all those write ups they got you to make and bring you in front of a shop Stuart saying that you wrote these in your own words. And the worst part is what they’re doing will ruin you as a person. Strip away your confidence forever. But they don’t care because they succeeded in making you resign. And they don’t have to deal with the outcome. I didn’t know evil existed until this happened
Twice, that I can remember, different bosses asked me to do something that was outrageous. The first time, I just refused. The VP actually came to speak with me. I told him that "only for him I would do the project, & only this 1 time (I was given 4 hrs of notice). For any other similar projects, I wanted: 1 wks notice, triple-time pay for the hours I worked doing the project, & the next work-day off with regular pay." He agreed to all my demands. The second time, I shot my manager a dirty look, & she drop that subject, & moved on to something else. Guys & Gals, know your worth & advocate for yourself! Also, if an assignment isn't part of your original work contract responsibilities, eg: working before, after, or just more hours than your original contracted hours, you have the right to say "no", & your bosses can't do anything about it.
I was on a leave of absence to take care of my mother and was thrown into 1st shift after being on 3rd shift for 10 yrs. Then she proceeded to write me up (1st time ever since working at this company-13yrs) for being late and it’s a final write up. I was told if I am 1 minute late they will be terminating my employment.
My BFF has been fired at several places for having Aspergers. They tell her it's because her work is too slow... I keep telling her to sue them from breach of ADA, but she's too innocent and naive because of the Aspergers.
When I was first called a team member I thought of Sunday afternoon softball. In reality it is more like mules hauling borax across the desert. You drop dead in the harness and they leave you for the vultures.
I've had this happen. They want you to quit because 1) they don't have a valid reason to fire you 2) they don't want to pay you severance pay or 3) they don't want you to collect unemployment.
If they are firing you...Slow down...take many bathroom breaks (claim medical conditions )...take your time ...who cares if it doesn't get done...(sue for harassment/discrimination)
Happened to me and just finished my last day of work there. They put me in a position where I had nothing to do and then would complain to me about doing nothing. 🤦♀️ I could tell the vibes were bad and started acting accordingly.
YES XD Problem was my boss at the time didn't realize my stubbornness would make me spiteful and want to stay longer!😆...So instead she started fabricating lies to try and write me up so that she could fire me...But I was a smart, stubborn, and GOOD employee!🤣I left around covid due to outside factors but damn did she hate my guts for the last two years. If she treated her employees properly she wouldn't have had to deal with me, one of her best employees with literally ZERO reasons to fire who could word things in such a way to point out when she mistreated me or other employees in such a way you couldn't lable it as disrespect....but we ALL knew what I meant😎 Also she self sabotaged herself because she literally pissed off her first shift SO MUCH that they all left within a week...And by then her acting a bit nicer to the other shifts temporarily was not enough to convince us to do her any favors!😆It took her two whole months to rebuild her staff and she was scrambling for any poor souls willing to stay later. Which was basically know one lol
I am really wondering what was in the write up. I was recently fired for being late to work because I had a dizzy spell right before. Nobody asked any questions until they decided to write up. I didn't want to give any excuses cause this was sudden and I felt I wouldn't be trusted. Message recieved, don't put the team first. It was difficult to work for 3 days. Guess I should have called out and left you to handle it. I just wanted an apology and I didn't get one.
@@xSwordLilyx For me one of them was that I had woken up very sick and was supposed to go to work in the morning. It was a very last minute call out, but regardless I called as soon as I could. My boss got angry and hung up on me when I told her that I could not make it in🤣 But she called back a few minutes later to tell me that I needed a doctor's note the next day. I got the note but regardless of the circumstance it still violated the attendance policy. So even though it was the only time in two/three years working at this fast food place without any attendance issues I was going to sign the written warning given to me...until I read it fully and she lied on the form and said that I never called and therefore was a no call no show🤦♀️ I basically told her that since we both know this is a lie AND SHE hung up on me, that if she wanted to stick with this I was going to pull up my recipes from my phone company. Otherwise I told her that if she wanted to rewrite the right up honestly with what actually happened, then I would sign it...She never brought it back up!🤣 It was a temporary win though because she pulled that same shit again a few months later, but this time just made a very broad statement that I had not followed her specific instructions...which was bs because I did, she just didn't like that executing her orders exactly ended in poor production results😑. I didn't have the patience to fight it again and figured I'd be fired if I argued because THEN she could use me refusing to sign that written warning as "refusing to follow instructions"🙄 long story short I quit a month or two after that
This actually happened to me about 6 years ago. At the beginning of the year, I was asked by a VP to move to a new office overtown for a couple months so I could get training and have a promotion. When I got there, I basically filled in for my regular job, no training, no opportunity to develop new skills. I stayed for 8 months and then asked to move back to my first office. Then I got the silent treatment, got more work to support the second team. I was told that I could be more useful there after all. When I said that I had no intention to move permanently, the silent treatment got worse. I was left out of mail chains, internal calls and such, which led to important mistakes, and was ultimately terminated. Yet they made me the favor to "abolish my position" so it would not look bad for future job interviews.
Yes it has. It’s bc an employee quitting leaves that company free from legal trouble and having to pay a portion of unemployment (vs termination which leaves those options on the table). It’s almost always better for a company to have someone quit rather than fired.
Oh yes. Don't really find it worth my time to deal with though, only thing they achieved is that I will talk poorly of their name for as long as I live.
This was the policy at one place I worked: stop making the job comfortable until they quit when by their actions up to that point they should have been fired. I watched it happen to someone who definitely deserved it and our supervisor (co-owner) openly admitted to me it was to not have to pay unemployment benefits to an employee that tried to frick over the company.
Boss: “I know you already have more duties and responsibilities than everyone else, so I’m gonna give you the projects outside of your discipline that others are failing at. Oh btw, you aren’t allowed to actually go to those facilities” Me: “Can you put that in writing?” Boss: “No, not gonna do that!” Me walking out talking to myself: “I’m gonna find an employment lawyer!” Me to myself 2 years later after rescuing all of the failed projects including new ones piled on later: Me 2 years later: Retired with a settlement. True Story
a few years back I had something kind of the same, I was working about 30-40 hours a week and then I did something (forgot what it was) that annoyed my boss and he ended up having me jump from 30-40 hours a week to 90 hours a week, (yes the money was amazing each week but I was pretty much dead on my feet and had no time to do anything else) but on top of that I got blamed for others not having their stuff done and also being like 5 minutes late here or there. I quit after the 3rd week of it, and they had to hire 6 people at 30-40 hours a week to cover all the stuff I was doing, they even tried to get me to come back, and I told them there's no way in hell I'm ever going to come back to that job...
So many times. I think because I'm neurodivergent, and bosses like me when I'm able to mask, but over months or years they see me when I'm unmasked from burnout and they work really hard to get rid of me, and since my numbers/sales/work is always gold standard they have a very hard time doing jt. Lasted 16 months at the last job with this level onslaught of quiet firing.
Quiet firing also can be not updating you on changes in the company, leaving you out of meetings, lessening your workload and giving to someone else they like better so they can insinuate you do not do enough and the other person is awesome, and so much more ...
This happened at my last job. And it wasn’t just me. My company was bought out by a larger entity and 25% of the employees quit in the first 10 months.
Learn these words “your lack of planning or staffing is not my issue”
Their goal isn't to get the work done, it's to get rid of you--likely because you've told them stuff like that in the past. Worker rights are fun and all, but at the end of the day the employer holds the cards.
@@timburton4150 not when you record conversations and store them for when they try to fuck you over.
@@timburton4150 You got that right! 49 out of 50 states can fire you 'without cause'. That BS needs to change.
I saw 666 likes and said nope. Not on my watch. 667, you’re welcome. 😂
@@dee_dee_place no they still need a legal reason to fire you in an at will state
In olden times, “quiet firing” was known as “harassing an employee out the door”.
Or hostile work environemnt
In Australia there's a legal term for it. Constructive dismissal - basically making the work environment so toxic that the employee has no choice but to quit.
Or “managing out”
@@raylouis7013people with a constructive dismissal have Been fired illegally for no wrong doing
And
A ‘just cause’ is when you resign with legitimate reason(s)
Stress
Pain /health
Family issues
And I’m sure there are other reasons
@@jasonscott4366I like the hostile work environment word 🤣
“Quiet firing” also know as “workplace harassment” and “toxic work environment” or “retaliation”
This leads to quiet murdering.
They don't last either
They want you to quit so they don't have to pay unemployment
I got my unemployment after they fired me for misconduct, I told the ED they never used progressive discipline, never received any verbal or written write ups regarding behavior, never mentioned anything over the last 18 years working there that there was any problems then all of a sudden placed me on administrative leave pending investigation over false allegations and incidents reports of misconduct.
Fucking assholes, all of them conspired together against me.
You know who you are.
Time will come around again for you to meet your karma. Enjoy.
All things work toward the purpose and for the glory of God.
Thank You God for all you have gave to me and protecting me from this evil world.
Your humble servant.
Wait if they fire you they pay unemployment?
@yaaaaasfire9621 yes they pay the unemployment
Jokes on them when you are in to win the game long term.
Say less
"you're a big boy and you'll figure out" is near the top of my list of least favourite responses when asking for help with something. This is why a good boss is more important than a good job!
Yes. Some of these companies love to dump work on you No training. Bad bad bad. Shame on them!!!
I have a whole bunch of very bad bosses - they are all friends, so they can not grow and learn to be descent to everyone, only their faves
Never happened to me, and I haven't allowed my directors/VP's & managers over the years to even take the courage to ask me to work more or mess up my work-life balance. It all comes down to how you value yourself and how smartly you get things done; and most importantly, create an aura around you of someone who gets results, but isn't someone to be triffled with or played around with. 15 years of career woth cou tkess promotions, title changes in various firms and industries, and haven’t worked a single day where I worked even a minute more than my stated hours or worked over the weekend; neither did anyone ever ask me to do so. Value Yourself, you are an asset to your firm; so flaunt your value.
I noped out of a job because of this. Found a new job over the next week and gave them about 3 days notice. "I'm moving on, Friday is my last day--here's my badge and laptop". LOL--the manager lost his mind. When the VP asked me why, I told him, "I'm just giving you the same respect you showed me--none". Two years later guess who showed up for a interview?
Three days notice is far more generous than what I give. I just stop showing up
I did the same thing! The look of betrayal on my boss’ face!!!!😄😂🤣
This will work fine until the economy hits the skids and jobs dry up.
@@dvillebenny1445lol yet its a worker shortage. Pick a narrative
@@dvillebenny1445 How would this happen? There's a massive worker shortage and people quit/move around pretty consistently.
It happens frequently in many workplaces. The workplace doesn’t want to fire you per se they want you to quit. But if you don’t quit, they’ll keep giving you unreasonable expectations setting the bar higher and higher and then blaming you when you can’t achieve it. When they do eventually get around to firing you they’ll use these failures as the reason. This happened to my mom when she worked for WCB. She knew they were trying to get rid of her, but she held out and made them fire her, then negotiated a payout which was the equivalent of a year’s salary which sustained her until she found a new position.
It’s bit of a despicable practice but many places get away with it. It’s usually the workplaces that claim they’re “like a family “
That's why the second they say "we are like a family" you have to run tf away cuz they will screw you over
THIS. I’m going through it right now, in fact. Luckily, I’ve already begun my job search so the blow won’t be as severe when the hammer finally comes down, which could happen today (Friday), this coming Monday, or even 6 months from now. By firing me, they’re just giving me what I wanted so I can get out of my current toxic hellhole. Happy hunting, peeps, and keep your heads held high!
My boss ignored all my complaints and allowed other employees and customers to treat me like crap took away overtime after they saw no problem with my work shoes slicing into my feet. I left my job of 15 years so I could walk 300 miles to raise awareness for suicide prevention
I'm sorry. It seems to me that this is common.
Yes, this actually did happen to me at the last place I worked at. There was a change in management so things were a bit chaotic at the start, which most employees gave a pass for. However, the new manager soon started targeting specific employees to make them quit. And it was employees who usually kept their heads down and did their jobs. So a very toxic work environment became the norm. The only employees who WEREN'T targeted were those that kissed up to management. Joining in the attacks on the targeted employees. Stirring the toxic waste pot.
Those of us who were targeted, did quit. But we also got the last laugh as we all found new jobs that were so much better and in healthy work environments elsewhere.
That's great to hear!!
In the UK this is called constructive dismissal.
Yes, that's true!
I was going to say the same thing, except for the US and there are laws against it.
@@landerson7348 Constructive dismissal is also illegal here in the UK.
Lots of places do it and you have to be able to PROVE it, which can be difficult when management is pissing with your logs.
In Australia too.
Constructed dismissal -- document everything -- lawsuit later
It's subtle. They gaslight you by putting you in a situation to not have a work/life balance and then blame you for not managing your time. They ask questions like, "How can we help you to better manage your time properly?" But never move forward on that development piece.
PRECISELY!!
This is legit happening to me right now and I fucking hate it.
@@AmeliaPlayz me too! Keep your head up and your eyes open. I went through it about a month ago, received a private apology. Then yesterday, the CNO is my office on bs. Praying for better for all of us
@@monawilliams286 It's clear My boss doesn't want me there. She has suggested that I resign multiple times now. Whenever I bring up my issues, she always gives me the same excuse. It's BS and I'm over it.
@@AmeliaPlayz I right with you! I claiming that you'll find a new position with Mgmt that sincerely wants you to succeed and pays you your worth.
I had a boss that was trying to force me out. I kept meeting her demands, and was there far longer than she wanted. The rest of my team quit, and I stayed a little bit longer until there were new employees hired. She wound up dressing me down loudly one day after one of them asked me a question and I was explaining what the current process was. The boss wanted the new employees to completely recreate every process that was in place to suit their desires. I frustrated her so badly because I didn't quit when the rest of the team did.
I wound up leaving the job, about a month later and moved out of state. I found out she "retired" 3 months later, but not before her new hires also bailed.
I fell for all that. Then when it came time for promotions, they hired the lady who only works 9 months outta the year. Then she died.
I had a boss who tried to get me to quit but I just had to endure because the union job came with a two bedroom apartment and good benefits and I had a newborn to care for.
I was thankful for the union and the benefits allowed me to seek professional help to deal with the harassment.
I worked all the overtime I could which raised my Social Security payments.
I got quiet fired from my job... It was a Starbucks coffee job, and they kept changing my schedule around and put me on mornings when they knew I couldn't work mornings. I quit real quick
Likely because you are a bad employee
@@troylundy5807 actually I was a great employee I came in whenever they asked and did everything expected of me. That didn't mean I had to take their crap though.
@@troylundy5807Um, not necessarily. Some managers basically only want their friends or "minions" working there. That same thing happened to me at bath and Bodyworks. I worked there for 4 years, and we got a horrible new district manager who fired the store manager and promoted the ass kissing assistant manager and as soon as that happened, she started pulling her toxic bullshit like ignoring my availability, that she knew full well from working with me for 3 years. A LOT of employees quit because of her, but I hung on for another year to show her that it would not be that easy, but even I got sick of her shit. Oh, and no one could say that I was a "bad employee" either. I was one of their best sellers. I could get some of the biggest cheapskates to buy things and wasn't afraid to make customers understand that they are not there to "just look". I kept conversion and sales up as well. I also covered shifts when employees were quitting left and right. Sometimes the manager is just a Summer's Eve.
@@troylundy5807you can’t assume that with little information. At my job it was common to get a schedule change when someone else quit or went back to school etc.
@@troylundy5807 no they’re toxic
"Give me that in writing. So can I assume I'll be getting time-and-a-half for all this OT you're demanding I do?"
Of course ? That's why we have OT laws... But really, no amount of money will make unexpected mandatory OT any more acceptable
Yessss the job that just fired me did this the last month I worked there then they seen that I wasn't going to quit so they fired me in retaliation
My husband. He quiet quit until they offered him a severance package.
Loveeeee how quiet firing can be anything from outrageously overworking them, giving them hardly any hours, or just being assholes to them in general
I've seen something similar where someone (aka victim) will get promoted/transfered to a position/department that they are HORRIBILY under qualified for. Since they really dont know how to do the job they were pushed into, their performance tanks while trying to learn the basics. This is then used as the reason for termination of said employee AND is used in justification of hiring outside the company instead of an internal transfer (which is probably what they wanted to do in the first place because they had someone in mind but got told no). Corporate America, gotta love it 🙃
Yes, my last job I worked 18 hrs a day (WFH, no joke), they ended up firing me and hiring 3 people to do all my work. I begged for 6 months or more that I was overwhelmed and I couldn't do everything, read every email, attend every meeting, etc. Meetings all day, working on assignments until midnight, going to sleep just to wake in a panic that I need to do something I forgot. Boss too busy to help or care, though she talked a good game. I ended up making 2 major mistakes but I had no clue until people started yelling. I was put on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP). I was so happy they fired me but it pissed me off how they did it. I literally had PTSD afterwards: waking up in a panic in the middle of night thinking I missed sending/reading an email, that I forgot to prepare for projects/meetings, didn't do something, etc. So glad I don't work there and they definitely 'quiet fired' me but it was so wrong after working at the company for 10 years.
Begged?...Smh😒
Yep had that happen then I told them that they needed to find somebody else to do the second portion of the job that they expected me a request because I am no longer doing it. Told them if they don't like my decision they can fire me. Two weeks later they found someone to come in part time during the week do the extra work that I was doing
That happened to me. Some managers (including the lady from HR) kept harassing me and taking me to the the office, every f*ing time was about some gossip or my attitude or any other nonsense, going so far as to create situations where there were none. Mind you, I worked 8 years at that place; changing positions from the bottom up. Constantly being a top performer and seller. Even started management training (which I refused because of salary and hours required), but being a bartender was more flexible and financially wise.
After a year of abuse, I was fired last week. “Speaking with ill intend about the company to a possible new hire candidate”, the most bulls*** reason.
I just told this lady to her face that it was obvious some of them just wanted to get rid of me.
They went and talk about me who knows what to the owner of the place.
Here I am, jobless but peaceful at last.
Very few managers have actual leadership training. They suffer from the Peter Principal.
Thank you so much for giving me these tools
Always make them ask you to leave.... You can get severance and unemployment. Establishing a rightful condition to fire somebody is not easy.. especially their work history is average..
Yuuuuup and my manager ended up quitting before I did. That’s what they told us at least, we are all positive she was told to quit or else she’d be fired.
Started a job 12/19/22. Saw my trainer twice for a short time before her Christmas vacay. She became hospitalized for 2+ months. During that time many GREAT changes were in process and management sincerely didn’t have time to train me. Late Feb/early March, trainer was out of hospital and graciously offered to meet with me on a Sat. It was helpful but I had already been drowning the 2-3 months I’d been there. Within a month or so, all of Leadership I was under quit. Now the interim managers are faulting me for things I don’t know. Yesterday, I was told I’m failing and being silently terminated. He didn’t fire me but is discouraging me to get on an action plan 🤔
Things they’ve said tell me the Action Plan is a set up for me to fail (I told them that to his face and he didn’t deny it)
They likely don’t want to fire me to avoid paying unemployment.
Yep- “be on slack from 6am to 7pm” was what pushed me to the edge
This happened to me at the end of my last job before I became a teacher. Another big buzz word is for a supervisor you don't report to directly, asking you to give a detailed description of what your position has evolved into
I don’t understand why this toxic behaviour is a thing in North America. This is how you ruin someone emotionally, physically and mentally. Just sad.
That's because companies see us as a number, not a person. We are all replaceable and expendable to them. It's very common here in the US.
@@katcheson82 yeah you missed the part where companies are allowed to do this because America prioritizes corporations over people
Idk where all its can happen, but companies have to pay the fired employee unemployment.
Not just america, happens in britain too.
@@samwebb3577 that's not true. Just because you're fired does not automatically mean you'll get unemployment
This is more of a battle of the wills than anything. I’ve been here before, but the boss got so frustrated at the fact that I knew the job description. was one of the few people that can actually get it done the right way she ultimately caved and fired me which in all honesty was a blessing in disguise. I took out unemployment, took a break for about a month and a half, and got a job working for their competitor. Granted this was years ago, but this short reminded me of that.
Yup.... under working me then giving me assignments they think are impossible with tight deadlines. Working through my grandpa's funeral.
Here it would be like "listen bossman, I can finish X or Y, you choose, I can't do both"
Currently going through this rn
In the UK it's called constructive dismissal and if you feel pressured to resign you can pursue them for compensation.
My favorite thing to do here its exhaust them by doing everything they ask them asking "What can I do next?" with a happy attitude. They run out of things to burden you with, but they have to internalize their frustration because you are being a model above-and-beyond employee. Your direct supervisors will love you fir it and usually have your back. It's exactly what Jesus meant when he said "whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him too." The Roman soldiers could legally force people to carry their pack for a distance but could get in trouble for making civilians carry it any further. It's not only shit having a serving spirit, but doing it so much that you turn the tables on your persecutor.
Instead of doing that why not just looked for another job
@@wolfgangi oh I definitely do that too. But not right away because I am also petty and dont want to give them the satisfaction. Haha. Wait till you get them at the end of their rope thinking they arent going to get rid of you... then leave. Hahaha
I actually had this problem recently. The sous chef at my job was taking over for the head chef, and she had me working 50+ hrs a week after just barely testing negative for COVID after having COVID. Not only that, but I ended up with a respiratory virus and fevers for the entirety of 2 weeks afterwards, and I was constantly verbally @bused and threatened with pay cut/severe hour cuts because I was just getting worse and worse. The final straw was when I called to let her know that I was going to be about an hour or so late because I had a flat tire and had to scramble for change so I could take the bus to work. She literally cussed me out and belittled me saying that someone my age shouldn't be so sick all the time and that it was ridiculous that I was struggling so much. I quit that very same day and told them I wouldn't be coming in for my 2 week notice.
Of course, I felt bad because the head chef was forced to put off his quitting to make up for the fact that the sous chef chased me off the way she did, but I dont feel bad. I don't care what people say... No one deserves any form of @buse at work.
This isn’t quiet firing, this is terrible bosses just being themselves
ABSOLUTELY gosh. And I ended up crying during a 1 on 1 and he had the audacity to tell me not to talk to the other managers about it. I asked other managers for feedback and they had nothing. :l I quit and he quit without notice right before me
The formal term for this is "Managing Out". As in, "We aren't having layoffs but if we manage Frank out, it will take pressure off the budget."
I got quiet fired from my job just yesterday. I’ve been dealing with 2 parents who had terminal illnesses. It got to me so hard that I asked for an ADA exemption. (I have clinical depression) Very soon after my boss started ignoring my communications, taking projects away, canceling our meetings, and having leadership meetings without me. When my parents died 2 weeks apart I took 3 days each for bereavement. She fired me 2 weeks later. (Yesterday) It’s been a hellish few weeks.
I am so sorry. A company that uses tragedy as an excuse to fire you is a company destined to fail! I believe in you
I totally understand These people have no empathy. Something similar happened with my parent. I had no other choice than to quit due to the EXTREME stress. My condolences to you and I’m wishing you all the BEST.
It has to me before. I had a bossa named Travis and I used to be a grocery store worker. Once you left him, every employee started opening up their mouths and they thought that they can get away with it so I will just put in my two week notice. And when you mentioned something about quiet firing, you reminded me just exactly that
Make sure you know their own overtime policies inside and out. Bc that’s how you can legitimately turn down too much work. If they insist on the work, then you insist they send the request to you in an email. Then you send the email to HR and make sure you have a copy of it yourself if its needed in a suit later.
First major job out of college. It started gradually, an hour here, a couple in one week. By the time it got the worst, I was worked through the company Christmas party without help. Eventually, I had enough. I was gradually taking things home so, if they fired me, I would not have to carry much. I heard that I was being let go the day before they were going to do it. I wrote a resignation letter just to have it with me. So, the following morning I came in and was called into the office as I knew I would be. As they fired me, I said I was feeling the same way and that I had my letter. I didn't give it to them because you can't collect unemployment insurance when you quit. I was smart and thanked them, got up and left.
Did this in retail. Give the bad employee the worst hours and tasks, they will leave voluntarily and the Corp doesn't have to pay unemployment. It's a tactic used for years.
Yeah but is it always “quiet firing” or just an incompetent/bad boss?
It's amazing how the employee AND the boss BOTH look as if they're caught in an underwhelming sneeze this entire time....
I had a version of this, but it wasn’t about forcing us to quit. The boss over committed the organization to a workload easily three times too big for the staff capacity given the timelines they agreed to in contract. The result was near total organizational burn out and an extremely high turn over rate that offloaded work onto remaining staff. Emotional manipulation, threats of firing, threats against professional reputation, and screaming were normal forms of management. I made it a year and a half before taking a 30% pay cut to switch organizations. Since leaving, the staff has turned over nearly three times in three years.
Lmao here in my area they can't change your schedule that quick and expect you to follow through with it, they have to give you a full 2 weeks schedule so you can keep track
Yikes! I feel this! 😅
It happened to me. You see they start by making you question yourself. And make you doubt your own abilities. They will ask you to quit on your own. And when you refuse they will make your job harder. They will make you afraid of making the slightest mistakes in fear of being written up. At first they will say that these write ups aren’t that serious and it’s just a way to coach you on how to do better. They will even tell you what to write in it and what to take out of it. Then they will use all those write ups they got you to make and bring you in front of a shop Stuart saying that you wrote these in your own words.
And the worst part is what they’re doing will ruin you as a person. Strip away your confidence forever. But they don’t care because they succeeded in making you resign. And they don’t have to deal with the outcome.
I didn’t know evil existed until this happened
Twice, that I can remember, different bosses asked me to do something that was outrageous.
The first time, I just refused. The VP actually came to speak with me. I told him that "only for him I would do the project, & only this 1 time (I was given 4 hrs of notice). For any other similar projects, I wanted: 1 wks notice, triple-time pay for the hours I worked doing the project, & the next work-day off with regular pay." He agreed to all my demands.
The second time, I shot my manager a dirty look, & she drop that subject, & moved on to something else.
Guys & Gals, know your worth & advocate for yourself! Also, if an assignment isn't part of your original work contract responsibilities, eg: working before, after, or just more hours than your original contracted hours, you have the right to say "no", & your bosses can't do anything about it.
Yeah been in a job like that.
Eventually I managed to document her changing the assignments and priorities 23 times in one day.....
I was on a leave of absence to take care of my mother and was thrown into 1st shift after being on 3rd shift for 10 yrs. Then she proceeded to write me up (1st time ever since working at this company-13yrs) for being late and it’s a final write up. I was told if I am 1 minute late they will be terminating my employment.
That's when my work would be so shitty and I'd be unpleasantly polite.
My BFF has been fired at several places for having Aspergers. They tell her it's because her work is too slow... I keep telling her to sue them from breach of ADA, but she's too innocent and naive because of the Aspergers.
Aspergers is no longer a medical term… sucks to suck! Find something new to claim you all have!!!
When I was first called a team member I thought of Sunday afternoon softball. In reality it is more like mules hauling borax across the desert. You drop dead in the harness and they leave you for the vultures.
This is happening to me right now.
Me too! It’s been going on for over a year. Can’t take much more.
I've had this happen. They want you to quit because 1) they don't have a valid reason to fire you 2) they don't want to pay you severance pay or 3) they don't want you to collect unemployment.
I feel like this is going to happen to me shortly as a result of a shift in my company.
“Oh, and I almost forgot…I’m also gonna need you to come in on Sunday, m’kay? So if you could just be here by 9, that’d be great” - Bill Lumbergh
Yep, probably not the last time it'll happen either. Sadly, it's more common than you may think.
Happened to me several times in the past, it sucks
If they are firing you...Slow down...take many bathroom breaks (claim medical conditions )...take your time ...who cares if it doesn't get done...(sue for harassment/discrimination)
Idk man maybe thats lying
Happened to me and just finished my last day of work there. They put me in a position where I had nothing to do and then would complain to me about doing nothing. 🤦♀️ I could tell the vibes were bad and started acting accordingly.
Yes it has!
Sounds exactly like my last employer. I learned of the replacements quit for the same reason I did.
Firstly no OT. No extra hrs. 2nd OT should always be optional.
YES XD Problem was my boss at the time didn't realize my stubbornness would make me spiteful and want to stay longer!😆...So instead she started fabricating lies to try and write me up so that she could fire me...But I was a smart, stubborn, and GOOD employee!🤣I left around covid due to outside factors but damn did she hate my guts for the last two years. If she treated her employees properly she wouldn't have had to deal with me, one of her best employees with literally ZERO reasons to fire who could word things in such a way to point out when she mistreated me or other employees in such a way you couldn't lable it as disrespect....but we ALL knew what I meant😎 Also she self sabotaged herself because she literally pissed off her first shift SO MUCH that they all left within a week...And by then her acting a bit nicer to the other shifts temporarily was not enough to convince us to do her any favors!😆It took her two whole months to rebuild her staff and she was scrambling for any poor souls willing to stay later. Which was basically know one lol
I am really wondering what was in the write up.
I was recently fired for being late to work because I had a dizzy spell right before. Nobody asked any questions until they decided to write up. I didn't want to give any excuses cause this was sudden and I felt I wouldn't be trusted.
Message recieved, don't put the team first. It was difficult to work for 3 days. Guess I should have called out and left you to handle it.
I just wanted an apology and I didn't get one.
@@xSwordLilyx For me one of them was that I had woken up very sick and was supposed to go to work in the morning. It was a very last minute call out, but regardless I called as soon as I could. My boss got angry and hung up on me when I told her that I could not make it in🤣 But she called back a few minutes later to tell me that I needed a doctor's note the next day. I got the note but regardless of the circumstance it still violated the attendance policy. So even though it was the only time in two/three years working at this fast food place without any attendance issues I was going to sign the written warning given to me...until I read it fully and she lied on the form and said that I never called and therefore was a no call no show🤦♀️ I basically told her that since we both know this is a lie AND SHE hung up on me, that if she wanted to stick with this I was going to pull up my recipes from my phone company. Otherwise I told her that if she wanted to rewrite the right up honestly with what actually happened, then I would sign it...She never brought it back up!🤣 It was a temporary win though because she pulled that same shit again a few months later, but this time just made a very broad statement that I had not followed her specific instructions...which was bs because I did, she just didn't like that executing her orders exactly ended in poor production results😑. I didn't have the patience to fight it again and figured I'd be fired if I argued because THEN she could use me refusing to sign that written warning as "refusing to follow instructions"🙄 long story short I quit a month or two after that
This actually happened to me about 6 years ago. At the beginning of the year, I was asked by a VP to move to a new office overtown for a couple months so I could get training and have a promotion. When I got there, I basically filled in for my regular job, no training, no opportunity to develop new skills. I stayed for 8 months and then asked to move back to my first office. Then I got the silent treatment, got more work to support the second team. I was told that I could be more useful there after all. When I said that I had no intention to move permanently, the silent treatment got worse. I was left out of mail chains, internal calls and such, which led to important mistakes, and was ultimately terminated. Yet they made me the favor to "abolish my position" so it would not look bad for future job interviews.
Lol in Oregon that isn't legal anymore
and this is when you call the labour board
This was my reality for all of 2021 working my last retail job 😑 I still get flashbacks 😣
This was exactly the work environment at Toys R Us. I had terrible managers and terrible coworkers that abused you no matter what you did.
Yes currently
Micromanaging is toxic and cringeworthy
My last manager was treating me so horribly I actually ended up leaving before she could fire me.
😪 then she won. No unemployment insurance.
@@dolliscrawford280 It's fine, I had a job lining up for me already. Once I took it I peaced out.
Yes it has. It’s bc an employee quitting leaves that company free from legal trouble and having to pay a portion of unemployment (vs termination which leaves those options on the table).
It’s almost always better for a company to have someone quit rather than fired.
Oh yes. Don't really find it worth my time to deal with though, only thing they achieved is that I will talk poorly of their name for as long as I live.
Uh no this is a Manager problem not an employee problem
This is actually a constructed dismissal, depending how much they pile on.
This was the policy at one place I worked: stop making the job comfortable until they quit when by their actions up to that point they should have been fired. I watched it happen to someone who definitely deserved it and our supervisor (co-owner) openly admitted to me it was to not have to pay unemployment benefits to an employee that tried to frick over the company.
Yes it did and called the fool out in front of his boss , didn't go so well for him. I also know and am happy to use the word no .
Boss:
“I know you already have more duties and responsibilities than everyone else, so I’m gonna give you the projects outside of your discipline that others are failing at. Oh btw, you aren’t allowed to actually go to those facilities”
Me:
“Can you put that in writing?”
Boss:
“No, not gonna do that!”
Me walking out talking to myself:
“I’m gonna find an employment lawyer!”
Me to myself 2 years later after rescuing all of the failed projects including new ones piled on
later:
Me 2 years later:
Retired with a settlement.
True Story
a few years back I had something kind of the same, I was working about 30-40 hours a week and then I did something (forgot what it was) that annoyed my boss and he ended up having me jump from 30-40 hours a week to 90 hours a week, (yes the money was amazing each week but I was pretty much dead on my feet and had no time to do anything else) but on top of that I got blamed for others not having their stuff done and also being like 5 minutes late here or there. I quit after the 3rd week of it, and they had to hire 6 people at 30-40 hours a week to cover all the stuff I was doing, they even tried to get me to come back, and I told them there's no way in hell I'm ever going to come back to that job...
Yes, just last month. And I just clocked out immediately and never went back. Quiet firing is pretty much a toxic workplace environment.
I did this for three years but for dfft reasons. Too many people were leaving 😂
So many times. I think because I'm neurodivergent, and bosses like me when I'm able to mask, but over months or years they see me when I'm unmasked from burnout and they work really hard to get rid of me, and since my numbers/sales/work is always gold standard they have a very hard time doing jt. Lasted 16 months at the last job with this level onslaught of quiet firing.
NEVER NEVER QUIT! Let them fire you
Having a lawyer on speed dial can cut through a lot of this crap.
Quiet firing also can be not updating you on changes in the company, leaving you out of meetings, lessening your workload and giving to someone else they like better so they can insinuate you do not do enough and the other person is awesome, and so much more ...
This piece of shizz. 😂 i know its you playing u but t that other u really peeved me off 😂
This happened at my last job. And it wasn’t just me. My company was bought out by a larger entity and 25% of the employees quit in the first 10 months.
when they start doing that you just start becoming a parasite. Force them to fire you. Be a nightmare.
Yep all the time at walmart
When they start messing with your schedule the end is near.