The Dan Wesson PMC is worth every penny! Ive had mine for awhile now and its became the best pistol in my arsenal. I like how its a 70 series too. If you want a very good quality 1911 but cant afford the DW 1911 I recommend the Magnum Research Desert Eagle 1911 Commander. The VERY nice for what little you pay for them.
I really liked my Les Baer Stinger and I was more than pleased with their customer service. However, I ended up selling the Stinger to a friend, but I'm keeping the PM-C. Thanks for watching and commenting.
That Dan Wesson is one beautiful pistol, Great review and comparison. All your videos make me want a 1911. I don’t own one and never shot one, I’ve only used striker fired and da/sa guns such as my CZ P01.
James, I’m not a huge fan of bare stainless, but I agree that the PM-C looks very nice. The 1911 isn’t for everyone, but once you have experienced a really good 1911, it may be hard to NOT like it. Having written that, however, I’ve experienced some really nice CZ pistols, a couple of which rival the feel of a good 1911 trigger. Thanks for your comments.
I'm down to one 1911, a CZ 97B, and some strikers... but what I want is a CZ P-01 from Cajun Gun Works. I will say that the 1911 stands alone in the world of pistols. When you hold it, it holds you right back and becomes your emotional support pistol. It would be folly to argue that a 1911 is the best defensive pistol, because it isn't, but I have an inexplicable bond with it.
nonya biz, I believe Dan Wesson makes the highest quality “production” 1911s and they definitely hold their own against the semi-custom guns. Thanks for commenting. I hope you have a great New Year.
guidojt, it depends if you are looking at actual Commander class - full-size frame with 4"-4.25" barrel/slide, or CCO class - Officer-size frame with Commander barrel/slide. For actual Commander-class lightweight 9mm, my hands-down preference is the Dan Wesson Guardian (Part 12 of the series). A similar gun, but with a slightly smaller grip (and proprietary magazines) would be The Springfield EMP CCC (Concealed Carry Contour - also in Part 12). For a CCO-class lightweight 9mm, I would pick another Dan Wesson - the Vigil CCO - Officer size lightweight frame with a Commander slide. I haven't reviewed that particular gun, but it is very similar to the DW CCO .45 I reviewed in Part 16 of the series. Kimber makes a couple of lightweight 9mm guns with 4" barrel/slide - Pro and Pro CDP, but they don't make the CCO-size in 9mm (Kimber calls that the "Compact" model). However, none of the Kimber Pro guns with lightweight frames are bobtail, which makes concealment more difficult. My all-time favorite carry guns are both lightweight 9mm guns with an Officer-size frame and 3.5" to 4" barrel/slide. I am currently carrying the Dan Wesson ECO (Part 21), though I occasionally carry the STI Staccato C (Part 20). I have found those guns to be the best 1911 options for concealed carry - at least for me, though they may not be right for everyone. In case you haven't guessed by now, in my not-so-humble-opinion, Dan Wesson makes the absolute top-of-the-class 1911 pistols. I'll put a Dan Wesson up against the semi-customs like Wilson or Ed Brown any day. The semi-customs may have slightly better hand finishing, but for that, you will pay two to three times what you will pay for a DW that is just as reliable and accurate. And no, I'm not sponsored by Dan Wesson, nor do I get any test guns from them. Every gun I have reviewed I have purchased outright, often pre-owned. I hope that helps. And thanks for watching.
Rider's-Range thank you very much. I’m going to re-watch those videos and then head back to the gun store to see how they feel in hand. Great job in these videos and again, thank you for your time and input!
@@RidersRange You are so right. I own Wilson EDC X9 and love it, but it was pricey, however I've been around the block and Dan Wesson is the sweet spot in 1911s . I'm going Dan Wesson hunting soon.
@@RidersRange That is correct, The impact has effected a lot of company's, I hope that Dan Wesson will move from New York in the future as it would be beneficial as it was so for Kimber. Thanks for your reply always. I'm enjoying your channel slot !
I happen to stumble on to your channel last weekend and love your reviews. I love 1911's, so cool what John M. Browning made for us. Maybe a Colt commander vs. Sig Sauer 220, as these two are my favorite 2 pistols. My Colt Commander is the 04691 model as i like the more classic look. Between the Les Baer and the Dan Wesson i would pick the Les Baer only because i think he makes the best 1911 on the market, more so the 5" models, but the DW are also great guns. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us!!! I will wait for the notification bell to part 15B Thx again.
Dave, thank you for your kind comments. I don't own a Sig P220, but it would make an interesting comparison. I'll have to see if I can borrow one at some point. It'll be another week or so, but Part 15B of the series I'll put the Stinger through its paces on the range and offer my opinion on Baer vs DW.
I have not. I like the trigger and the sights on that pistol and it would probably make a good duty gun, but Commander-size guns that aren't bobtail don't work well for me for concealment. Thanks for watching and for commenting.
What an excellent term for the Les Baer-a hotrod! Les has a musclecar collection. And included is a '70 Chevelle SS454 LS-6, a '70 Hemi 'Cuda and a '69 Mustang Boss 9, which is the best? Let's do a head-to-head test.
Price is all over the map. What I paid, what they sell for, and the MSRP are all different. And for some reason, when I mention price, UA-cam may demonetize the video because they think I'm trying to sell a gun.
Have you looked at the new Dan Wesson DWX? Wow. Just wow. They may have redefined the 9mm competition pistol if they had just included a RMR cut. Dan Wesson is one of the most underrated manufactures out there.
John, I agree with your "Wow". That looks like a VERY interesting pistol. Putting 1911 fire control on a CZ75 - which has a very nice trigger as it is - is a unique combination. The price is a little steep, but still less than a CZ Shadow 2. Thanks for pointing it out - or actually, NO thanks, as my gun money is just about gone. I fully agree that DW is underrated. I'll put any of my Dan Wessons up against any other production 1911 brand, and they can pretty much hold their own against most semi-customs until you get down to the finest finishing details.
For the prices, I was just looking at the MSRP on the CZ/DW website. The street price of the DWX will probably stay close to MSRP for a while. No fair asking which DW is my favorite. Kinda like asking which kid is my favorite. I really like them all, but they each have their own purpose. However, my carry gun for more than a year was the ECO and I still carry it when I don’t want the weight of my EDC X9.
Rider's-Range did 4 years in Air Force as weapons mechanic, got out, went to trade school to learn auto-diesel mechanics, worked in trucking industry for 37 years. Joined navy reserve Seabees as construction mechanic in 1978. Retired in 1996. Retired from caterpillar in 2007. Have 4 1911s myself. Ps Ruth is my wife. This is her iPad. Lol.
Small world. I was a heavy equipment mechanic in NMCB-121 way back when. I also have an Air Force connection - my daughter retired after almost 21 years in the AF. Thanks for commenting.
I never had a Les Baer... Maybe one day... I like the Night Hawks a lot however those are really expensive. I stil thinking Dan Wesson is the best deal. There better than any Colt Springfield or Ruger and they dont cost as much as the expensive customs.
nonya, having owned almost four dozen 1911s from 16 different manufacturers, including Nighthawk, STI and Wilson, I have found that Dan Wesson makes the best "production" guns that can rival the best semi-custom guns for performance and reliability. Thanks for being a loyal viewer. I look forward to more of your thoughts in the future.
Wayne, I have no idea why, but some of your comments are showing up in the "held for review" folder and marked as potential span, others aren't showing up at all. So, please forgive me if I don't respond to some of your comments. If I can access the comment, I'll respond. If I don't respond, feel free to send me an email at info@riders-range.com.
How one tries to put a sight with a .485 base in a .495 dovetail is beyond me. However, the sight was tight and held through 500 or so rounds prior to filming. The good news is the slide came back today. The bad news is the weather and my schedule for the next week are both lousy, so I'm not likely to get out to sight it in for another week.
J Timmons, thank you for watching and commenting. Yes, "affordable" is subjective. However, I suggest you review the introduction to my Great Affordable 1911 Series, and/or review the discussion on my website for how I arrived at $1,600 as the cap for my definition of "affordable".
The Dan Wesson is the Better of the 2, I own that PMC it's smoother & more accurate! Just don't care for the sights, they are easily changed. LB is overrated & over priced!
I disagree. I don't own a PM-C, but I do own a V-Bob, which I think is a superior pistol to the PM-C; and the Les Baer is a better shooter. The Dan Wesson V-Bob is not far behind; but behind it is. I don't know what you mean by "smoother"; but the accuracy of my .45 Stinger, earned it the nickname, "Mr. Magic". The V-Bob is better finished and more refined, though; which is why I can't definitively proclaim that one is totally better than the other.
Trae UCity, I put the PM-C up against the Stinger because both guns are steel Officer-size frames with Commander-length slides. The V-Bob is a great gun, but being a full-size frame puts it in the Commander class, not CCO class, and the pattern of our series is to compare guns in the same size class. If I had a V-Bob, it would have gone up against my Kimber KHX - both being steel frame Commander-class guns.
Cool video but maybe try fixing your audio better unless you like blowing out peoples speakers everytime the gun goes off which in turn will make people despise you cuz all i hear is mumble mumble BLAM!! mumble mumble BLAM!!
I looked at Filmora and Final Cut Pro, but for now, iMovie, which came with my iMac (free is good) works okay. I may have to play with the audio settings for the shooting portions, though yours is the first comment on that in the almost 100,000 views the channel has had since we started. But I do appreciate the comment.
The Dan Wesson PMC is worth every penny! Ive had mine for awhile now and its became the best pistol in my arsenal. I like how its a 70 series too. If you want a very good quality 1911 but cant afford the DW 1911 I recommend the Magnum Research Desert Eagle 1911 Commander. The VERY nice for what little you pay for them.
nonya biz, DW makes some great production 1911s. I don’t own a Magnum Research, but I’ve read good reviews on them. Thanks for commenting.
Both are wonderful 1911s . Mr. Baer is a true Old School Gent . A little fine lapping of the DW slide was all it needed I'm sure .
The barrel link was out of spec and they had to re-fit the locking lugs. All-in-all, disappointing quality control. But it runs great now.
Good video. I’ve owned both and I’m partial to the Baer. Both are great guns though.
I really liked my Les Baer Stinger and I was more than pleased with their customer service. However, I ended up selling the Stinger to a friend, but I'm keeping the PM-C. Thanks for watching and commenting.
That Dan Wesson is one beautiful pistol, Great review and comparison. All your videos make me want a 1911. I don’t own one and never shot one, I’ve only used striker fired and da/sa guns such as my CZ P01.
James, I’m not a huge fan of bare stainless, but I agree that the PM-C looks very nice. The 1911 isn’t for everyone, but once you have experienced a really good 1911, it may be hard to NOT like it. Having written that, however, I’ve experienced some really nice CZ pistols, a couple of which rival the feel of a good 1911 trigger.
Thanks for your comments.
I'm down to one 1911, a CZ 97B, and some strikers... but what I want is a CZ P-01 from Cajun Gun Works. I will say that the 1911 stands alone in the world of pistols. When you hold it, it holds you right back and becomes your emotional support pistol. It would be folly to argue that a 1911 is the best defensive pistol, because it isn't, but I have an inexplicable bond with it.
Sweet pistols! Of the two I prefer the Dan Wesson pistol. Out of the box you get a lot of quality pistol.
nonya biz, I believe Dan Wesson makes the highest quality “production” 1911s and they definitely hold their own against the semi-custom guns. Thanks for commenting. I hope you have a great New Year.
What’s your opinion/choice on a CCW 1911 9mm commander length light weight model? Dan Wesson, Kimber, etc...?
guidojt, it depends if you are looking at actual Commander class - full-size frame with 4"-4.25" barrel/slide, or CCO class - Officer-size frame with Commander barrel/slide.
For actual Commander-class lightweight 9mm, my hands-down preference is the Dan Wesson Guardian (Part 12 of the series). A similar gun, but with a slightly smaller grip (and proprietary magazines) would be The Springfield EMP CCC (Concealed Carry Contour - also in Part 12).
For a CCO-class lightweight 9mm, I would pick another Dan Wesson - the Vigil CCO - Officer size lightweight frame with a Commander slide. I haven't reviewed that particular gun, but it is very similar to the DW CCO .45 I reviewed in Part 16 of the series.
Kimber makes a couple of lightweight 9mm guns with 4" barrel/slide - Pro and Pro CDP, but they don't make the CCO-size in 9mm (Kimber calls that the "Compact" model). However, none of the Kimber Pro guns with lightweight frames are bobtail, which makes concealment more difficult.
My all-time favorite carry guns are both lightweight 9mm guns with an Officer-size frame and 3.5" to 4" barrel/slide. I am currently carrying the Dan Wesson ECO (Part 21), though I occasionally carry the STI Staccato C (Part 20). I have found those guns to be the best 1911 options for concealed carry - at least for me, though they may not be right for everyone.
In case you haven't guessed by now, in my not-so-humble-opinion, Dan Wesson makes the absolute top-of-the-class 1911 pistols. I'll put a Dan Wesson up against the semi-customs like Wilson or Ed Brown any day. The semi-customs may have slightly better hand finishing, but for that, you will pay two to three times what you will pay for a DW that is just as reliable and accurate. And no, I'm not sponsored by Dan Wesson, nor do I get any test guns from them. Every gun I have reviewed I have purchased outright, often pre-owned.
I hope that helps. And thanks for watching.
Rider's-Range thank you very much. I’m going to re-watch those videos and then head back to the gun store to see how they feel in hand. Great job in these videos and again, thank you for your time and input!
@@RidersRange You are so right. I own Wilson EDC X9 and love it, but it was pricey, however I've been around the block and Dan Wesson is the sweet spot in 1911s . I'm going Dan Wesson hunting soon.
@@waynecastleman1363 Dan Wessons have been scarce lately. If I recall correctly, they are made in New York and were hit pretty heavy by the lockdown.
@@RidersRange That is correct, The impact has effected a lot of company's, I hope that Dan Wesson will move from New York in the future as it would be beneficial as it was so for Kimber. Thanks for your reply always. I'm enjoying your channel slot !
I happen to stumble on to your channel last weekend and love your reviews. I love 1911's, so cool what John M. Browning made for us. Maybe a Colt commander vs. Sig Sauer 220, as these two are my favorite 2 pistols. My Colt Commander is the 04691 model as i like the more classic look. Between the Les Baer and the Dan Wesson i would pick the Les Baer only because i think he makes the best 1911 on the market, more so the 5" models, but the DW are also great guns. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us!!! I will wait for the notification bell to part 15B Thx again.
Dave, thank you for your kind comments. I don't own a Sig P220, but it would make an interesting comparison. I'll have to see if I can borrow one at some point.
It'll be another week or so, but Part 15B of the series I'll put the Stinger through its paces on the range and offer my opinion on Baer vs DW.
Oh Boy... I’ve been eyeing a Dan Wesson 1911 for a couple of years. Great shooting, and I can’t wait for part B. 👍👍👍👍
Got the Stinger slide back yesterday. Just waiting until the weather and my schedule cooperate for some range time.
Have you tried the Dan Wesson TCP yet great video.
I have not. I like the trigger and the sights on that pistol and it would probably make a good duty gun, but Commander-size guns that aren't bobtail don't work well for me for concealment.
Thanks for watching and for commenting.
What an excellent term for the Les Baer-a hotrod! Les has a musclecar collection. And included is a '70 Chevelle SS454 LS-6, a '70 Hemi 'Cuda and a '69 Mustang Boss 9, which is the best? Let's do a head-to-head test.
That would be interesting, but..... There is a pre-owned Boss .45 on Gunbroker for a decent price, but my gun account is almost empty at the moment.
Dammm just say the price how can I get a ls bare no info of what they worth 🤔
Price is all over the map. What I paid, what they sell for, and the MSRP are all different. And for some reason, when I mention price, UA-cam may demonetize the video because they think I'm trying to sell a gun.
Have you looked at the new Dan Wesson DWX? Wow. Just wow. They may have redefined the 9mm competition pistol if they had just included a RMR cut. Dan Wesson is one of the most underrated manufactures out there.
John, I agree with your "Wow". That looks like a VERY interesting pistol. Putting 1911 fire control on a CZ75 - which has a very nice trigger as it is - is a unique combination. The price is a little steep, but still less than a CZ Shadow 2. Thanks for pointing it out - or actually, NO thanks, as my gun money is just about gone.
I fully agree that DW is underrated. I'll put any of my Dan Wessons up against any other production 1911 brand, and they can pretty much hold their own against most semi-customs until you get down to the finest finishing details.
For the prices, I was just looking at the MSRP on the CZ/DW website. The street price of the DWX will probably stay close to MSRP for a while.
No fair asking which DW is my favorite. Kinda like asking which kid is my favorite. I really like them all, but they each have their own purpose. However, my carry gun for more than a year was the ECO and I still carry it when I don’t want the weight of my EDC X9.
Pistol Pete, I was looking at the Shadow 2 Orange recently, so that’s the price I looked at, though there are less expensive Shadow models.
Like the Seabee tee shirt.
Ruth, thanks. I learned a lot while I was a SeaBee. Do you have a connection with the ‘Bees?
Rider's-Range did 4 years in Air Force as weapons mechanic, got out, went to trade school to learn auto-diesel mechanics, worked in trucking industry for 37 years. Joined navy reserve Seabees as construction mechanic in 1978. Retired in 1996. Retired from caterpillar in 2007. Have 4 1911s myself. Ps Ruth is my wife. This is her iPad. Lol.
Small world. I was a heavy equipment mechanic in NMCB-121 way back when. I also have an Air Force connection - my daughter retired after almost 21 years in the AF. Thanks for commenting.
Great vid, thanks! =]
The Hipsterminator, thanks for watching and for commenting.
I never had a Les Baer... Maybe one day... I like the Night Hawks a lot however those are really expensive. I stil thinking Dan Wesson is the best deal. There better than any Colt Springfield or Ruger and they dont cost as much as the expensive customs.
nonya, having owned almost four dozen 1911s from 16 different manufacturers, including Nighthawk, STI and Wilson, I have found that Dan Wesson makes the best "production" guns that can rival the best semi-custom guns for performance and reliability.
Thanks for being a loyal viewer. I look forward to more of your thoughts in the future.
Sweet lookin 11's
Thanks. I never met a 1911 that I didn’t like. Well, maybe that Norinco from part 4.
This guys voice sounds just like Mass Ayoob!
Thomas, thanks, but I think Massad Ayoob's voice is lower than mine. And he always sounds so calm and collected.
Well I did think I was listening to him at first and had to double check the video, Lol, Both are awesome pistol airs !
Wayne, I have no idea why, but some of your comments are showing up in the "held for review" folder and marked as potential span, others aren't showing up at all. So, please forgive me if I don't respond to some of your comments. If I can access the comment, I'll respond. If I don't respond, feel free to send me an email at info@riders-range.com.
Someone bubba’ed a Les Baer 😔. Well at least it meant a good deal for you!
How one tries to put a sight with a .485 base in a .495 dovetail is beyond me. However, the sight was tight and held through 500 or so rounds prior to filming. The good news is the slide came back today. The bad news is the weather and my schedule for the next week are both lousy, so I'm not likely to get out to sight it in for another week.
Les bear is top notch 👌 like wilson combat.
Les Baer is the "hot rod" of 1911 pistols - great build quality and performance, but not flashy. Thanks for watching.
I am thinking Dan Wesson.
I agree. I still have that Dan Wesson, but sold the Les Baer.
Frames on a Baer are not standard, the Hillsdales were. Don't like finger prints, get DW Duty Coat.Baers are a lot more money new
Les Baer makes accurate guns, but new ones aren't on my list. Thanks for watching.
VERYGOOD VERYGOOD
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Affordable? At $1500? Guess that's a subjective matter
J Timmons, thank you for watching and commenting. Yes, "affordable" is subjective. However, I suggest you review the introduction to my Great Affordable 1911 Series, and/or review the discussion on my website for how I arrived at $1,600 as the cap for my definition of "affordable".
The Dan Wesson is the Better of the 2, I own that PMC it's smoother & more accurate! Just don't care for the sights, they are easily changed. LB is overrated & over priced!
Karl, Baers are a little pricey, but occasionally good deals come up on used Baers. However, that PM-C can certainly hold its own against the Stinger.
I disagree. I don't own a PM-C, but I do own a V-Bob, which I think is a superior pistol to the PM-C; and the Les Baer is a better shooter. The Dan Wesson V-Bob is not far behind; but behind it is. I don't know what you mean by "smoother"; but the accuracy of my .45 Stinger, earned it the nickname, "Mr. Magic". The V-Bob is better finished and more refined, though; which is why I can't definitively proclaim that one is totally better than the other.
Trae UCity, I put the PM-C up against the Stinger because both guns are steel Officer-size frames with Commander-length slides. The V-Bob is a great gun, but being a full-size frame puts it in the Commander class, not CCO class, and the pattern of our series is to compare guns in the same size class. If I had a V-Bob, it would have gone up against my Kimber KHX - both being steel frame Commander-class guns.
Cool video but maybe try fixing your audio better unless you like blowing out peoples speakers everytime the gun goes off which in turn will make people despise you cuz all i hear is mumble mumble BLAM!! mumble mumble BLAM!!
I haven’t found a way to set the audio so my voice and the sound of a gunshot are the same volume. What is your suggestion?
@@RidersRange Try Filmora
I looked at Filmora and Final Cut Pro, but for now, iMovie, which came with my iMac (free is good) works okay. I may have to play with the audio settings for the shooting portions, though yours is the first comment on that in the almost 100,000 views the channel has had since we started. But I do appreciate the comment.
Nice guns! Like them both!
It's tough to pick a favorite. Thanks for commenting.