114060 owner and you are so right about the 6 digit clasps being scratch magnets. 90s steel sports absolutely did not have this problem. True tools. Not jewelry.
I don't think anyone else on youtube conveys the trials and tribulations of being in love with watches quite like you. You're going to give me a complex about watch fit though!
Hate that feeling when you just know it’s not going to work. Did you ever try the 16710 with hollow end links? I have the same sizing issues and hoping that is the solution 🤞
Def very relatable video. I’m having that problem now with certain watches. They used to fit great and now I’ve gained a little in my wrist those fit tighter and some with straps are now too tight/loose. Def helps having micro adjust on the fly. Sorry you had to part with Pepsi
Great video Michael! You're not the first and most likely not the last watch aficionado who, after a long journey, came to the conclusion that a pre-ceramic, no-date Sub is the answer to all questions. One just has to learn to accept it ;) Any by the way, Michael Stockton did not only write a wonderful review of his 14060 some years ago, but also did a great comparison of a 14060 and 16710, both article can still be found on Fratello - which you may know anyway. Cheers
Wow, I'm having the same dilemma with my Explorer 2 2021 version and not quite fitting on the wrist, thinking about switching it to glidelock but doesn't feel right to mess with OEM. Also has SD43 but it's a bit too thick and I can't seem to get comfortable with it too. I'm avoiding the black Sub41 date, but it's starting to make sense why it's the highest selling model. It's just perfect and maybe the boring watch for me.
I currently have a 41mm black sub date, previously paid extra via grey market for Kermit mk1, but ended up not loving the shade of green so went back to sub date. Would you stick with what I have or change to Kermit mk2/ Pepsi jubilee 2019 onwards. Seeing your no date it does look very clean and classy
@@SteelmoonWatches really I never thought you would sell that baby. Ive been offered a hulk Is it worth getting do you think Thankyou for your reply much appreciated
yeah I wear my watch behind the wrist bone, but it actually looks better closer to the hand for photos. Also been fasting, it's great. If comfort is #1 and it wasn't comfortable, you made the right choice.. besides the sub no date remains a watch of the gods
Great UA-cam and insta. 👏 just picked up a 2005 no holes 16710 Pepsi. Very clean, full set, original receipt and Rolex service card. Paid 11.5 USD. Did I get a good deal?
Couldn’t you buy an existing oyster link and take it to a metal smith to somehow change the side to an equivalent of half link? Or drill more holes in the clasp?
I don’t know if you have tried 4digit sub or gmt they are like butter on the wrist. Can’t tell you how many times I tried to keep a 5 digit and just went back to one of my 4 digits.
Michael, the Kermit fits you better than the Pepsi because the case back isn't flat like the Pepsi. If the Pepsi starts feeling tight a flat caseback will suction the whole case onto your wrist making it feel even tighter whilst the Submariner will give you some breathing space on the wrist and will not stick to the wrist like the Pepsi. The cases have a similar profile but the Sub is slightly taller which is why it wears differently on the wrist. Remember, one is a dive watch, the other is a pilots watch. This small detail is what gives the Submariner the 300m water resistance as opposed to 100m on the GMT.
RIP Pepsi. I totally get it in terms of fit - it’s the most important non-negotiable. I’ve also struggled with shifting wrist sizes based on diet and training 🤣
You made the right choice. Yes, the No-Date Sub has become a little boring after all these years but let's not lose sight of why we fell in love with it in the first place. It was and is and will always be the best looking watch of all time! Don't ever get rid of it.
I just sold 3 watches I loved for a grail I wanted for a looooong time. Some watches simply look better in our collection than they do on OUR wrists. The Sub definitely works for you and you can’t beat the most iconic watch.
I too like to keep everything as original as possible. Back in 2006 I bought my 16710 BLRO (Z serial number and no holes) and my family and friends thought I was crazy since I already had 3 Rolex watches. Yes, it's a crazy hobby. Fortunately, I just remove couple of links and it fits my wrist perfectly.
I’ve kept up with your watch journey and it also seems that you’ve always gone back to the “less is more” approach with the Rolex black dial/bezel no date/date style. Thoughts?
Sub 14060M looks great on you. Have you considered a 126710 Pepsi? It’s very light in comparison to a Sub and the jubilee has a nice fit. Would be a perfect two watch collection. 🍻
I’ve had a brand new 124060 sub for two and a half years now. Wear it most days - unless I’m doing something where it might get damaged - and it still looks pretty much as new. I find the glidelock to be a godsend. The watch never ‘not’ fits right. I also look at the watch every single time I put it on and think ‘Damn. That’s a good looking watch.’ It’s the best version for me. I have friends who have other subs, and after side by side comparisons they’ve said the same.
Same!! Absolutely love my 124060. As a bonus, don't you just love how sometimes when the light hits the bezel just right, it appears like a grayish or ghosted bezel? I love that!
its a real shame when you realize youre one of the unfortunate folks that cant get the right fit on these 5 digits. im lucky to have the perfect fit on my 14060m. People notoriously have problems given the clasp size and either flip the clasp around or even remove and re-rivet the last link on the 6oclock side. Fit is everything. Selling it was a good move. always a good day when you drop a video. Cheers.
Thing about the Pepsi is you can’t wear it all the time because it’s too colourful and attracts attention. The 14060m is my choice too. Clean, no nonsense, understated. I too can’t stand people wearing their watch above the wristbone!
I believe there is a dive extension work around for the 16710. Someone on TRF put the wet suit extension on his 16710. Alas, you’ve made your decision and I understand not wanting to mod the watch.
I appreciate your advice on trading my Sub and upgrading to the Pepsi. I will check in with you in few weeks to see if you regret letting your’s go.Thank you friend,JD
Hi Michael, I've never had any interest in the Pepsi, so I may be biased in saying I love my no date and would have chosen to keep it. It is a very comfortable watch and goes with most occasions. Regards, John
Did you consider wearing it on a strap? There are some really nice straps out there. I probably would've stuck it on a top-level suede or canvas strap.
I JUST BOUGHT ONE TODAY. and you sold yours quickly. I can understand getting excited then eventually bored. But I never sell any of my watches. I'll let them sit and then I always later enjoy it again....
I have a 2001 sub which I love no date. It’s my daughter’s birthday I will give her at some point I have a batgirl. Sold my James Cameron to put towards a 2020 black steel Daytona, which I have now had five months but I’m on the fence about selling it on as yes it looks nice. The size is nice, but the thing is so hard to actually read clearly at a glance to tell the time low light, the sub and the GMT, you just instantly click your risk, and you can see the time lovely and clear, no fussy face with tons of writing on it. For that reason, I think I will be selling my Daytona bank the money. Get a 21 onwards Pepsi. I have had my name down at my A.D. for two years but it looks like I might have to pay the annoying overs to get one.
Really enjoyed this video and I understand why that wasn't an easy decision. But perhaps you can help me with mine; I've owned a Rolex Submariner since 2006, absolutely love the watch, but am picking up my dream watch (one I've waited two years for), the James Cameron Deep Sea in two weeks. Even though I have 7 1/4 inch wrists, I like larger watches (also own a Blancpain Air Command chrono from 2007) which is a hair larger than my Sub. My question is this: should I keep my vintage Sub or trade it in for the 50th anniversary Sea Dweller which just has that much more girth and pizzaz, IMHO. My AD is telling me to keep my Sub, add the Deep Sea and perhaps get the SD43 down the line...the reason I'm considering trading it in is its always felt just a bit too small on my wrist. What's your advice?
Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite UA-cam channel by far. I own a 14060M, 16710 SEL and a 16610 SEL (yes I love the original Rolex design). The fit is off by just a hair between any of them, but it’s ever so slight. It’s just something that you get used to tbh. My biggest question is, how will my 113400 OP39 Blue fit as compared to my collection? It arrives in a week and I am both anxious and quite nervous!
Not sure if i should really tell you as you sold it already. But there is this company steel reef who does an aftermarket easylink for 5 digits. Maybe it is something for you.
I think you’re a perfect candidate for a 6 digit GMT. It wears much closer to a BB58 than a Sub 41 and recently when I went to try on one the AD told me there are two on the fly adjustments 1- half a link adjustment and then 2 - 5MM easy link adjustment. I think those two would more than make up for the lack of Glidelock. The other option is OF Daytona.
Hey Michael, nice chatting with you about this topic on IG. I was waiting for this exact video on the 16710 vs 14060m. I'm considering an SEL as well for the 16710 and see how that fits me. If it doesn't, I'll consider a Steel Reef extension link like someone in the comment mentioned. Really want to make the 16710 work because of the flexibility of the bezel color. With that said, 14060m is just such a clean watch. It's definitely going to be my 2nd rolex. Thanks for sharing as always!
@@SteelmoonWatches Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite UA-cam channel by far. I own a 14060M, 16710 SEL and a 16610 SEL (yes I love the original Rolex design). The fit is off by just a hair between any of them, but it’s ever so slight. It’s just something that you get used to tbh. My biggest question is, how will my 113400 OP39 Blue fit as compared to my collection? It arrives in a week and I am understandably both anxious and quite nervous.
Just found your channel and I saw the video of you after picking up the Pepsi in Asia. You seemed over the moon with it. Feels like that should have been a keeper given the work you put in to get it.
@@SteelmoonWatchesdo Rolex make half size links? Or does an aftermarket company make them? Or if the bracelet has any stretch you could have it tightened up which would may make enough of a difference to get your size right.
114060 owner and you are so right about the 6 digit clasps being scratch magnets. 90s steel sports absolutely did not have this problem. True tools. Not jewelry.
I prefer the look of the aluminum bezel over the muddled ceramic, but $12-13k for a watch with a 1960s technology bracelet is tough
I don't think anyone else on youtube conveys the trials and tribulations of being in love with watches quite like you. You're going to give me a complex about watch fit though!
I love your no compromise approach
😂 hope all your watches fit you
Did you try it on the right wrist? I find it easy to get used to if it's the right watch.
Not a lefty 👍🏼
Hate that feeling when you just know it’s not going to work. Did you ever try the 16710 with hollow end links? I have the same sizing issues and hoping that is the solution 🤞
I am considering a hollow end link one. Tho I’ve tried my hollow end link Sub bracelet on the 16710 and there was not much change.
Just out of curiosity , did you have a Easylink fitted to the Pepsi bracelet?
Standard clasp I believe.
Def very relatable video. I’m having that problem now with certain watches. They used to fit great and now I’ve gained a little in my wrist those fit tighter and some with straps are now too tight/loose. Def helps having micro adjust on the fly. Sorry you had to part with Pepsi
I solved that problem with my 5 digit watches by fitting the SteelReef 'on the fly' extension links.
Great video Michael! You're not the first and most likely not the last watch aficionado who, after a long journey, came to the conclusion that a pre-ceramic, no-date Sub is the answer to all questions. One just has to learn to accept it ;)
Any by the way, Michael Stockton did not only write a wonderful review of his 14060 some years ago, but also did a great comparison of a 14060 and 16710, both article can still be found on Fratello - which you may know anyway. Cheers
Thanks mate 🙌🏼
Wow, I'm having the same dilemma with my Explorer 2 2021 version and not quite fitting on the wrist, thinking about switching it to glidelock but doesn't feel right to mess with OEM. Also has SD43 but it's a bit too thick and I can't seem to get comfortable with it too. I'm avoiding the black Sub41 date, but it's starting to make sense why it's the highest selling model. It's just perfect and maybe the boring watch for me.
I currently have a 41mm black sub date, previously paid extra via grey market for Kermit mk1, but ended up not loving the shade of green so went back to sub date. Would you stick with what I have or change to Kermit mk2/ Pepsi jubilee 2019 onwards. Seeing your no date it does look very clean and classy
Great content I’ve got a Seadweller SD4000. 2015. Have you still got. Your one ?
Same buyer also took my 116600 lol. With a caveat that if he ever sells, it goes to me.
@@SteelmoonWatches really I never thought you would sell that baby. Ive been offered a hulk Is it worth getting do you think Thankyou for your reply much appreciated
yeah I wear my watch behind the wrist bone, but it actually looks better closer to the hand for photos. Also been fasting, it's great. If comfort is #1 and it wasn't comfortable, you made the right choice.. besides the sub no date remains a watch of the gods
Great UA-cam and insta. 👏 just picked up a 2005 no holes 16710 Pepsi. Very clean, full set, original receipt and Rolex service card. Paid 11.5 USD. Did I get a good deal?
Congrats mate. Not sure on whether a deal is good or not these days hehe. Enjoy it!
Couldn’t you buy an existing oyster link and take it to a metal smith to somehow change the side to an equivalent of half link? Or drill more holes in the clasp?
Could’ve but that’s too much effort.
Nice video. I had the same issue, so I’ve put an easy-link on, and now it has the perfect fit. It seems you gave up just to fast 😉
Your instagram and channel gives me life! Love these convos and how relevant these topics are!!
Have you seen the Omega Seamaster Worldtimer? That’s a beautiful piece imo.
Also how does a five digit sub fit so well but the five digit gmt doesn’t? Aren’t they identical ?
Different case size and bracelet size.
I had the same problem with sizing on my 16710, I loved it but sold it.
I don’t know if you have tried 4digit sub or gmt they are like butter on the wrist. Can’t tell you how many times I tried to keep a 5 digit and just went back to one of my 4 digits.
That’s an idea …
the pepsi looks amazing on a brown leather strap
Michael, the Kermit fits you better than the Pepsi because the case back isn't flat like the Pepsi. If the Pepsi starts feeling tight a flat caseback will suction the whole case onto your wrist making it feel even tighter whilst the Submariner will give you some breathing space on the wrist and will not stick to the wrist like the Pepsi. The cases have a similar profile but the Sub is slightly taller which is why it wears differently on the wrist. Remember, one is a dive watch, the other is a pilots watch. This small detail is what gives the Submariner the 300m water resistance as opposed to 100m on the GMT.
Interesting! Thanks mate
Looks like the pre blingy sub will kick out the next one too 😂
I wish I knew you were selling it.
This wouldn’t have happened if the was was purchased at the AD 😊
🐸 MK2
Michael would make a great special guest for Tim’s show
I need your AD contacts then 😬
@@SteelmoonWatches I’m pretty sure you have the connections to get one easy 😎
You screwed up
Feel sorry for u buddy
Dumb excuses
Smooth. Thank you.
Hand looks a little small for the 5 digit sub just sayin
Please elaborate ?
OK I am ready for sleep so go ahead thanks doesing off later
I JUST CANT BELIEVE YOU GAVE IN AND SOLD IT!!!uNBELIVEAABLE UNACCEPTABLR. wOW JUST COULDNT IMAGINE THIS WOULD HAPPEN. wOW
You might regret selling the Pepsi a little but never sell the no date, you will miss it too much.
Just get a current, 2021 black Sub Date mate.
It’s bloody brilliant.
No date, looks cleaner, but excellent choice either way
RIP Pepsi. I totally get it in terms of fit - it’s the most important non-negotiable. I’ve also struggled with shifting wrist sizes based on diet and training 🤣
Steel reef makes on the fly adjustments for the 5 digit Rolexes
You made the right choice. Yes, the No-Date Sub has become a little boring after all these years but let's not lose sight of why we fell in love with it in the first place. It was and is and will always be the best looking watch of all time! Don't ever get rid of it.
I just sold 3 watches I loved for a grail I wanted for a looooong time. Some watches simply look better in our collection than they do on OUR wrists. The Sub definitely works for you and you can’t beat the most iconic watch.
I too like to keep everything as original as possible. Back in 2006 I bought my 16710 BLRO (Z serial number and no holes) and my family and friends thought I was crazy since I already had 3 Rolex watches. Yes, it's a crazy hobby. Fortunately, I just remove couple of links and it fits my wrist perfectly.
glide lock clasp on a pre-cremamic Rolex? First world problems.
Micheal have you ever tried on a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms? It's a brilliant watch.
I haven’t sadly. My friend also swears by it
I’ve kept up with your watch journey and it also seems that you’ve always gone back to the “less is more” approach with the Rolex black dial/bezel no date/date style. Thoughts?
Curiosity I guess. Maybe you’re right. I’ve grown away from colour - I do like the Kermit tho, for now at least
Sub 14060M looks great on you. Have you considered a 126710 Pepsi? It’s very light in comparison to a Sub and the jubilee has a nice fit. Would be a perfect two watch collection. 🍻
I still have that one 🍻
@@SteelmoonWatches very cool. That’s the perfect collection. Maybe add a Daytona 116520 for the triple crown. 😎
I’ve had a brand new 124060 sub for two and a half years now. Wear it most days - unless I’m doing something where it might get damaged - and it still looks pretty much as new. I find the glidelock to be a godsend. The watch never ‘not’ fits right. I also look at the watch every single time I put it on and think ‘Damn. That’s a good looking watch.’ It’s the best version for me. I have friends who have other subs, and after side by side comparisons they’ve said the same.
Same!! Absolutely love my 124060. As a bonus, don't you just love how sometimes when the light hits the bezel just right, it appears like a grayish or ghosted bezel? I love that!
That’s my favorite thing about the Sub. It’s such a classy and timeless piece.
its a real shame when you realize youre one of the unfortunate folks that cant get the right fit on these 5 digits. im lucky to have the perfect fit on my 14060m. People notoriously have problems given the clasp size and either flip the clasp around or even remove and re-rivet the last link on the 6oclock side. Fit is everything. Selling it was a good move. always a good day when you drop a video. Cheers.
Thing about the Pepsi is you can’t wear it all the time because it’s too colourful and attracts attention. The 14060m is my choice too. Clean, no nonsense, understated. I too can’t stand people wearing their watch above the wristbone!
I believe there is a dive extension work around for the 16710. Someone on TRF put the wet suit extension on his 16710. Alas, you’ve made your decision and I understand not wanting to mod the watch.
I appreciate your advice on trading my Sub and upgrading to the Pepsi. I will check in with you in few weeks to see if you regret letting your’s go.Thank you friend,JD
Wow! I fully understand.. for a modern GP or Chopard Alpine Eagle, I would also sell a Pepsi pre ceramic… but would keep the plain Sub…
If we take this journey to its logical conclusion, then I think you need to try a black dial 16570 with hollow end links at some point.
Hi Michael, I've never had any interest in the Pepsi, so I may be biased in saying I love my no date and would have chosen to keep it. It is a very comfortable watch and goes with most occasions. Regards, John
If the watch doesn't fit well, just turn around the bracelet. Yes it will feel strange to close the clasp at the begining but you will get use to it.
This and the bat girl gmt are my bucket list dream watches 😢 😭. Hope I am able to get it one day from my AD 🙏
Oh dear - I saw your video 7 months ago you looked soo happy when you got it. Oh well! Onward!
Did you consider wearing it on a strap? There are some really nice straps out there. I probably would've stuck it on a top-level suede or canvas strap.
I’ve ordered a steel reef half link. Let’s see
What the yell ill put this video back on right before Bed
Trade the no date for a date and it’ll be more practical
I JUST BOUGHT ONE TODAY. and you sold yours quickly.
I can understand getting excited then eventually bored. But I never sell any of my watches. I'll let them sit and then I always later enjoy it again....
Beautiful watch. I kept it for longer and ended up letting go due to sizing.
I have a 2001 sub which I love no date. It’s my daughter’s birthday I will give her at some point I have a batgirl. Sold my James Cameron to put towards a 2020 black steel Daytona, which I have now had five months but I’m on the fence about selling it on as yes it looks nice. The size is nice, but the thing is so hard to actually read clearly at a glance to tell the time low light, the sub and the GMT, you just instantly click your risk, and you can see the time lovely and clear, no fussy face with tons of writing on it. For that reason, I think I will be selling my Daytona bank the money. Get a 21 onwards Pepsi. I have had my name down at my A.D. for two years but it looks like I might have to pay the annoying overs to get one.
Agreed on Daytona legibility. I’d get another 5 digit 👌🏼
Really enjoyed this video and I understand why that wasn't an easy decision. But perhaps you can help me with mine; I've owned a Rolex Submariner since 2006, absolutely love the watch, but am picking up my dream watch (one I've waited two years for), the James Cameron Deep Sea in two weeks. Even though I have 7 1/4 inch wrists, I like larger watches (also own a Blancpain Air Command chrono from 2007) which is a hair larger than my Sub. My question is this: should I keep my vintage Sub or trade it in for the 50th anniversary Sea Dweller which just has that much more girth and pizzaz, IMHO. My AD is telling me to keep my Sub, add the Deep Sea and perhaps get the SD43 down the line...the reason I'm considering trading it in is its always felt just a bit too small on my wrist. What's your advice?
For me it’s about comfort. Priority number one.
Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite UA-cam channel by far.
I own a 14060M, 16710 SEL and a 16610 SEL (yes I love the original Rolex design).
The fit is off by just a hair between any of them, but it’s ever so slight. It’s just something that you get used to tbh.
My biggest question is, how will my 113400 OP39 Blue fit as compared to my collection? It arrives in a week and I am both anxious and quite nervous!
Thanks mate. Lucky you !
Not sure if i should really tell you as you sold it already. But there is this company steel reef who does an aftermarket easylink for 5 digits. Maybe it is something for you.
Next time ;)
Hi Michael, can you make this same type of video for the seamaster 300M and list the reasons why you sold it? Would love to hear your thoughts on it!
I can try at some point. Thanks mate
Great thoughts and chat, thank you. Always enjoy them….
I don't beleive it! 😅
Answer= 124060
I think you’re a perfect candidate for a 6 digit GMT. It wears much closer to a BB58 than a Sub 41 and recently when I went to try on one the AD told me there are two on the fly adjustments 1- half a link adjustment and then 2 - 5MM easy link adjustment.
I think those two would more than make up for the lack of Glidelock.
The other option is OF Daytona.
Batman or Pepsi
Batman for me, the blue with black is so nice. Plus Pepsi is so hard to get.
Which year is your no date sub? It looks spectacular
2012
I think bracelet stretch could be a factor as well
Was pretty much Unworn.
Hey Michael, nice chatting with you about this topic on IG. I was waiting for this exact video on the 16710 vs 14060m. I'm considering an SEL as well for the 16710 and see how that fits me. If it doesn't, I'll consider a Steel Reef extension link like someone in the comment mentioned. Really want to make the 16710 work because of the flexibility of the bezel color.
With that said, 14060m is just such a clean watch. It's definitely going to be my 2nd rolex. Thanks for sharing as always!
Thanks mate 🥂
@@SteelmoonWatches Thank you very much! Liked, subscribed and shared. My absolute favorite UA-cam channel by far.
I own a 14060M, 16710 SEL and a 16610 SEL (yes I love the original Rolex design).
The fit is off by just a hair between any of them, but it’s ever so slight. It’s just something that you get used to tbh.
My biggest question is, how will my 113400 OP39 Blue fit as compared to my collection? It arrives in a week and I am understandably both anxious and quite nervous.
Just found your channel and I saw the video of you after picking up the Pepsi in Asia. You seemed over the moon with it. Feels like that should have been a keeper given the work you put in to get it.
Agreed. Let’s see mate
@@SteelmoonWatchesdo Rolex make half size links? Or does an aftermarket company make them? Or if the bracelet has any stretch you could have it tightened up which would may make enough of a difference to get your size right.
@@gaffs82 half links from a third party company. Will try it and see 🤞
I AGREE!!!!!CANT BELIVE HE SOLD IT
Do you bye AD or Gray if so where ?
These days grey. AD black listed me here some time back as I sold a sub after a few months
How the hell did they find out?
@@nads7865 once I sold a sub and the guy went to Rolex to get it sized. They did their checks.
Michael, have you still got the Omega 300m? Great video.
Thank you. That went when I got the 14060