Right at the end there:"He doesn't play right" that's what it boils down to for Ant and the blackjack gambling community. They all have their superstitions and habits (That card shoulda been mine!) that they can't indulge in when someone plays unexpected.
@@jodi2847 Everyone lost lmfao. This dim lightbulb too busy focusing only on himself and the hand he's currently playing at the moment, and assuming best case scenario pulls two face cards out the shoe, which is two less face cards for anyone to get on the next hand, including himself.
Jim summed it up perfectly in the end. It's purely psychological. There's just as much a chance of Ant receiving a good card after the guy stays than there is of getting a bad card.
It absolutely is. I've had arguments with so many people who believe it screws them/rest of the table over. The guy next to me could play brilliantly or completely guess and it has no impact on my win rate
@@lburket23 I stay on a 13, statistically dumb for me. Dealer hits on a 16 (they have to hit if under 17) they get a 5 and whole table loses. That 5 wouldve been my card, in that case i hurt the table. Next hand, I stay on a 10 (also dumb for me) Dealer hits on 13, gets King, busts. I just helped the table win. You play this out 10000000 times, my shitty playing has no impact on the rest of the table's win rate. Sometimes I help, sometimes I hurt, but the next card the dealer draw's is always random. Me hitting or staying doesnt improve the Dealer's odds of getting a good card drawn. Whole point of blackjack is to hangout, relax, make or lose a few bucks and talk to some people. Ant playing solo with a dealer, thinking it boosts his odds, is both depressing and retarded. Unless you can card count, like actually do it well, the odds are always lower than 50% for Blackjack. I'm ranting, but the number of genuine morons at Casinos who get angry over basic stats, or think they have a shot of making big money is unreal. Then they all do weird shit like playing insurance in BlackJack, or placing chips on certain numbers for Roulette, thinking this somehow helps their odds.... It's fun to see them in tears at end of the night tho.
Blackjack is a community game in the sense that you are expected but not required to play a certain way that benefits everyone, and it’s expected of others to do the same for you. That’s why I don’t want to play the game
@@evansgate I'd care if the other players were paying for my hand but they aren't. So they can go screw, I'll play how I want. (Which is I don't because gambling is toxic)
This is why you’ll see digital table games, people want to play without having to deal with any potential stress or anxiety from other players. My first time in AC I was trying out some roulette, a big fat black woman actually said “well there goes all the luck” as if I was legit a cooler sent over by the casino to mess up her lavish $5 bets
There’s usually 2-1/2 to 4 decks of cards in blackjack being used at one time. 10s(face cards as well) are the most common card in the game. There are times where playing that way just seems to work really well and that’s the general strategy but statistically a player helps you as much as he hurts you overall.
The fact that you sit on multiple threads commenting on this, while being entirely wrong about why playing with bad players sucks, is astounding. Bad players ruin a table because they change what should be a predetermined outcome of a deal once the cards are shuffled. They have just as much of a chance of helping you as they do of hurting you with their poor play. It's basic math. We get mad at players who don't stick to basic strategy because they COULD make you lose. Sure, they could also make you win, but we'd rather take our chances. You can literally do two seconds of research on any blackjack forum on reddit, or article written on the game and learn this. Instead you badmouth people on a subject you clearly know nothing about, which makes you look like a total clown.
11:15 That caller was right. playing with a "bad" player, an "okay" player or a "good" player makes no difference long term as long as you play perfect basic strategy. I wonder if Ant still thinks this nonsense.
I still don’t understand. So what if the guy makes a dumb play and doesn’t hit on 13, then Anthony hits and gets 21. He should then be thanking the new guy for not hitting.
1 or 2 cards is never going to change the odds enough to matter. Maybe in 50 years of gambling percentage wise. It’s just gambling voodoo that addicts use to rationalize
Jumping on another player for playing the hand incorrectly is so thoroughly irrational. Unless you stack the deck ahead of time it makes no fucking difference in the odds of you winning. I like Anthony but sometimes he buys into some seriously stupid theories.
@@Michael_Hunt because you clearly don’t get how it works. The dumb player can take more cards than he needs if he’s hitting when he shouldn’t and the dealer then may get the card that he needs to win, instead of the other players at the table
Ant is referring to Basic Strategy, which is the mathematical best thing to do with each hand vs the dealer's face-up card. It goes hand-in-hand with card counting which is probably what Anthony was dabbling with.
The point being that there are 16 cards in a deck that have a value of 10. That is a 30% chance of a face down card or a draw card being valued at 10. All cards being considered, the average value of any single card is worth 7.3 Challenge the dealer when he shows 10 and back off when it appears that the dealer will have to build a 20 or 21 with draw cards.
Real question, isn’t this assuming that there is only one deck? Since there are multiple decks in the shoe these stats are still true at the beginning but as you play become less accurate? Truly asking. Not a gambler anymore and didn’t get into blackjack at the casino level.
Opie was right, it makes no difference what other people at the table do. The odds of him leaving you with the card you want is the same as him not. Ant is just a superstitious wap.
well I see both points of view, but it is better to play the odds, because you will know with a doubt when the dealer wins every one made the best moves possible.
Anthony’s partially right. If you’re on a roll when doing something, and you see someone screw up doing the same thing, it could throw you off a little. Ultimately however, if you can stay on your toes, you can avoid getting tripped up and still achieve success. It really depends on the mental sharpness of the players, and this can go for any form of curricular activity, sport or not. But it shouldn’t be as big of a deal as he is making it tho. Just cuz one person isn’t as good a player, doesn’t mean the group should shun them. By that logic, half the sport population (athletes) would be wiped out because of fear that they’d throw the entire team off. No one’s a perfect player in anything, not even self proclaimed experts.
I am surprised that Ant is being so stupid here. The fact that the other guy is making a not so smart decision for himself in no way impacts whether or not the other players will win. If the guy hits, the odds of the dealer busting don't change. The odds of you getting what you want on a hit don't change. I think there is a specific logical fallacy for this, but I can't think of it. Ant is operating under the premise that if the guy makes a stupid move for his own hand, that means it is a bad move for everyone else. There is just as much chance that the guy not hitting when he should will help Ant's chances as there is that it will hurt him. It being a bad play for the other player's hand itself doesn't mean it is a bad play for anyone else. If the guy stays when he should hit, then let's say Ant is next, Ant is going to either stay or hit based on what his situation is, not on what the first guy did. The guy staying might just as well result in Ant getting a better/good card as it might result in him getting a worse/bad card. Similarly, it might just as well fuck or help the dealer. Ant is pretending to know what the guy's play will do. It is ridiculous.
"I don't understand that logic" - Opie. In other words, this is yet another aspect of life that I am completely clueless about, and am insecure about it.
They absolutely do. So many times I have seen a guy stop the dealer from going over because he hit when he was not supposed to, making the entire table lose. I doubt that Opie has ever sat down at a blackjack table.
@@ineversleep9715 just because that happens doesn't mean it changes the odds. It can help just as often as it can hurt. I count for fun, and trust me when I say there are experts who have dug into the math of the game. This isn't contested, bad players don't hurt you.
Unfortunately, Opie is correct in this instance, as is Jimmy when he said it's all psychological. A bad choice by another player doesn't just affect one hand but it also affects every hand after that until the reshuffle occurs; Ant would blame the guy if he loses that hand, but he won't credit the guy if he gets a bunch of 10s, 11s, 20s, and blackjacks in the hands that follow. So, while a bad choice could lose you a hand you would have won, it has just as much of a chance of winning you a hand you would have lost (although, I'd guess that the majority of these bad decisions have little direct affect on the hand as most bad decisions are made when the dealer is showing a 10 and the dealer is most likely not going to require a hit anyway. Even the worst players know not to hit when they have more than 11 and the dealer is showing a 3 thru 6). Gamblers (especially addicts) are inherently negative and will always complain about a bad loss or an unlucky beat they took as opposed to a bragging about a winning streak.
ANT is right you will make the whole table lose by making the wrong decision. Even going with the odds you can still lose but the object is to get the best odds by making your best choices. If you don't know the odds then get a card to instruct you. It's legal Casino provides these.
they're not all your cards Ant!! He has to do what's best for his own hand. He's not gonna take a card because YOU need him to take a card, stupid. What if you dont need a card but the person after you needs you to yake a card so they dont get your card?? they wanted their card but because of you put a cowboy hat on, they got your card.
@@mr.brenman2132 @iBot let's say the dealer has a 2 showing. you have 11, and the guy before you has 13. on his turn he doesn't hit. on yours, you do. you get a 6 which brings you to 17. you stand. the dealer flips over his card and reveals he had a 10 which means he's at 12. he has to hit, and brings out a 9. now he's at 21 and the whole table loses. the first card out of the deck for the next round is a 10, which means if dummy with 13 had hit, both he and you would have won due to the dealer pulling 10 and busting with 22. tldr; it shifts the cards by at least one which is enough to make the odds for the players even worse than they already are.
@@pdworld2418 The odds are a bad player results in you getting a good card just as often as a bad one. In other words, it makes no difference how others play and Ant is just a stupid superstitious elitist wap.
Anthony is correct and anybody who understands odds and ratios can understand. There are more cards worth 10 points than any other number and a dealer is required to hit on anything below 17. So if I stand on 18 and the dealer is showing a 6, you should assume the dealer has 16 and will hit. If cowboy hat guy hits on 13 and pulls a card worth 10 points and busts, there are now less 10 point cards for the dealer to pull. Therefore, the odds of the dealer busting have gone down. Now, instead of getting a card worth 10 points, they pull a 3 and their 19 beats my 18.
He's correct that there is a mathematically optimal way to play blackjack (basic strategy) but he's incorrect that someone not playing basic strategy makes it any less likely that he or any other player at the table will lose. The cards come out in a random order.
@@stevennewman5442 yes, the cards come out in a random order but there are specific, mathematical chances for each individual card. Those odds exist because the pool of cards LIMITED, SHARED, AND RANDOM. Thats how odds and statistics work. Removing a card when a player hits from the deck affects the chances of all remaning cards in the deck appearing. One player ABSOLUTELY affects another player.
@@dreddscott3873 I never said that non-standard play didn't affect other players. I said it doesn't statistically increase or decrease the other players' likelihood of winning since the decisions affect a set of randomly arranged cards that are just as likely to help as to hurt the other players' strategy. This is not controversial and frankly should be obvious. It has also been proven with computer simulations over millions of trials.
@@stevennewman5442 I can't believe I have to break it down to this level. Not because you're dumb, but because of the length. Let's say I have 17, hat guy has 16 and the dealer has 16. Now lets say there are 10 cards left in the deck. 2 of them are face cards and the rest are 2's, 3's and 4's. There is a 20% chance to pull a face card that will make the dealer bust (therefore I win). Scenario 1: hat guy doesn't hit, then the dealer has the same 20% chance to bust and I win. Scenario 2: If hat guy does hit and pulls a 10. Now the deck has 9 cards and only 1 makes the dealer bust. Thats only 11.1% chance. In this scenario I am 8.9% less likely to win. That's almost a 50% net loss from my original odds. Scenario 3: If hat guy hits and pulls a 2, 3 or 4. The deck again has 9 cards but there are still 2 that make the dealer bust. The dealer now has a 22.2% chance to bust. In this scenario I am only 2.2% more likely to win which is only a 10% net gain from my original odds. The risks of his bad play far outweigh the rewards. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept it, but I need to be shown mathematically.
@@dreddscott3873 this proves definitively how clueless you are. Your example is idiotic and non-applicable because you assume a non-random distribution of cards remaining in the shoe when the entire point is that the remaining cards are random. Holy cow you're dumb. Again computer simulations have demonstrated the validity of what I am saying over millions of hands. Every mathematically literate person understands why. No amount of sentences typed on the Internet by clueless morons will change that. Feel free to use Google and do three minutes of research before embarrassing yourself further.
Anthony is hateable in this. Completely devoid of logic. He just couldn't admit he was getting angry because he's an elitist and doesn't like casual players.
It's true that the idiot has just as much of a chance of helping as he does of hurting, but nobody is going to be upset when he does something smart and they lose because of it. The actual odds of poor play hurting you is beside the point. If a shoe goes bad because of an idiot it's on the idiot. When everyone is playing correctly it's just a bad shoe.
Ant must be going nuts because not a single person there seems to understand THIS IS MATHEMATICS! It is not psychological! None of them understand odds or percentages…FFS. I hate saying this, but Ant is 100 percent right!
@@Michael_Hunt well Anthony's point was basically everyone understands that if you stick together and stack your individual odds together, then you have a better chance at making the dealer bust or have too low of cards so the players can split the pot more often rather than one guy screwing everyone cuz he wants the pot for himself. Sure some players might take turns busting but if everyone is on board and goes after the dealer instead of the pot than you have a better chance and continual wins. It's just like they say with poker, play the people not the cards. In this scenario you wanna screw the dealer, not the cards. It just takes a team effort
I just don’t get how this guy says how somebody elses play doesn’t effect how you play? A deck of cards has 52 cards and any card that another player hits or doesn’t hit on has now has a statistical and probable outcome you have of getting or not getting a certain card. Of course a player effects another player at the table!
@@chiefbeef816 I'm saying it doesn't affect the next player, statistically by the odds. Obviously if you are in the mindset of reverse calculating "what would've happened if..." you are going to be pissed when you lose, but no one cares to do the "what if" scenario when they win. It works out with the same randomness.
One does not simply have a conversation with Opie... One can only wait for Opie to finish interrupting you to say the same thing over & over
Right at the end there:"He doesn't play right" that's what it boils down to for Ant and the blackjack gambling community. They all have their superstitions and habits (That card shoulda been mine!) that they can't indulge in when someone plays unexpected.
I can't think of a worse way to waste money than going to a casino with old ladies and gambling.
About had a table kill me when I spilt 8s. Dealer showing face. Was like I'm not taking one for the "team"
So how did that hand turn out?
@@jodi2847 Everyone lost lmfao. This dim lightbulb too busy focusing only on himself and the hand he's currently playing at the moment, and assuming best case scenario pulls two face cards out the shoe, which is two less face cards for anyone to get on the next hand, including himself.
That's the correct play
No idea how this all works but if you do not want your money in jeopardy, dont play.
Why is splitting 8 a bad idea?
Jim summed it up perfectly in the end. It's purely psychological. There's just as much a chance of Ant receiving a good card after the guy stays than there is of getting a bad card.
It absolutely is. I've had arguments with so many people who believe it screws them/rest of the table over. The guy next to me could play brilliantly or completely guess and it has no impact on my win rate
Yeah but it’s statistical. It’s not just chance.
@@lburket23 I stay on a 13, statistically dumb for me. Dealer hits on a 16 (they have to hit if under 17) they get a 5 and whole table loses. That 5 wouldve been my card, in that case i hurt the table. Next hand, I stay on a 10 (also dumb for me) Dealer hits on 13, gets King, busts. I just helped the table win. You play this out 10000000 times, my shitty playing has no impact on the rest of the table's win rate. Sometimes I help, sometimes I hurt, but the next card the dealer draw's is always random. Me hitting or staying doesnt improve the Dealer's odds of getting a good card drawn.
Whole point of blackjack is to hangout, relax, make or lose a few bucks and talk to some people. Ant playing solo with a dealer, thinking it boosts his odds, is both depressing and retarded.
Unless you can card count, like actually do it well, the odds are always lower than 50% for Blackjack. I'm ranting, but the number of genuine morons at Casinos who get angry over basic stats, or think they have a shot of making big money is unreal. Then they all do weird shit like playing insurance in BlackJack, or placing chips on certain numbers for Roulette, thinking this somehow helps their odds....
It's fun to see them in tears at end of the night tho.
Blackjack is a community game in the sense that you are expected but not required to play a certain way that benefits everyone, and it’s expected of others to do the same for you. That’s why I don’t want to play the game
@@evansgate I'd care if the other players were paying for my hand but they aren't. So they can go screw, I'll play how I want. (Which is I don't because gambling is toxic)
This is why you’ll see digital table games, people want to play without having to deal with any potential stress or anxiety from other players. My first time in AC I was trying out some roulette, a big fat black woman actually said “well there goes all the luck” as if I was legit a cooler sent over by the casino to mess up her lavish $5 bets
How do other players affect you in roulette
Gotta love Davey Scatino in the thumbnail
😂
Opie never eating a gun like Kurt Cobain is ashame
I have seen high rollers pay inexperienced players $100 to leave the table.
There’s usually 2-1/2 to 4 decks of cards in blackjack being used at one time. 10s(face cards as well) are the most common card in the game. There are times where playing that way just seems to work really well and that’s the general strategy but statistically a player helps you as much as he hurts you overall.
6 deck shoes are used in casinos
@@gayguardmoosesaucy6165 true, my bad
the amount of "gambling experts" in the comments crack me up
The fact that you sit on multiple threads commenting on this, while being entirely wrong about why playing with bad players sucks, is astounding. Bad players ruin a table because they change what should be a predetermined outcome of a deal once the cards are shuffled.
They have just as much of a chance of helping you as they do of hurting you with their poor play. It's basic math.
We get mad at players who don't stick to basic strategy because they COULD make you lose. Sure, they could also make you win, but we'd rather take our chances.
You can literally do two seconds of research on any blackjack forum on reddit, or article written on the game and learn this. Instead you badmouth people on a subject you clearly know nothing about, which makes you look like a total clown.
@@handoffbarrythe fact that you don't count cards automatically makes you lose in that situation. mental gymnastics and superstitions do Jack shit.
@@shamelessplug06 Yeah wouldn't a dummy sitting next to you give you a better chance of figuring out what cards are not likely to show up next?
the way Ant immediately goes from yelling to calmly responding to Patrice 😂
Gadbless.. nice touch with the Patrice show too
Cards aren’t magic.
You’re just as likely to get a good card because the other player ate a card as you are to get a bad card.
11:15 That caller was right. playing with a "bad" player, an "okay" player or a "good" player makes no difference long term as long as you play perfect basic strategy. I wonder if Ant still thinks this nonsense.
I still don’t understand. So what if the guy makes a dumb play and doesn’t hit on 13, then Anthony hits and gets 21. He should then be thanking the new guy for not hitting.
Doubling down and splitting is what helps tip the odds a bit
1 or 2 cards is never going to change the odds enough to matter. Maybe in 50 years of gambling percentage wise. It’s just gambling voodoo that addicts use to rationalize
Jumping on another player for playing the hand incorrectly is so thoroughly irrational. Unless you stack the deck ahead of time it makes no fucking difference in the odds of you winning. I like Anthony but sometimes he buys into some seriously stupid theories.
Gamblers have weird rituals that aren't based on reality. Gambling is gross
It doesn’t matter, it’s the fact that the guy made a dumb play and lost it for everyone. Figure it out
@@mattkinsman272 Except he didn't. You're blaming the person and not the cards.
Exactly Ant is being a superstitious wap
@@Michael_Hunt because you clearly don’t get how it works. The dumb player can take more cards than he needs if he’s hitting when he shouldn’t and the dealer then may get the card that he needs to win, instead of the other players at the table
Ant is referring to Basic Strategy, which is the mathematical best thing to do with each hand vs the dealer's face-up card. It goes hand-in-hand with card counting which is probably what Anthony was dabbling with.
just basic math bro
Has anyone else not been able to find the BLACKJAAAAACK clip? The one where Jimmy witnessed how much of a degenerate gambler Ant is
It’s in the Atlantic City Stories clip
Just search anthony cumia blackjack youll find it
7 pllleeeassseeee….. thaaat’s not a 7
The point being that there are 16 cards in a deck that have a value of 10.
That is a 30% chance of a face down card or a draw card being valued at 10.
All cards being considered, the average value of any single card is worth 7.3
Challenge the dealer when he shows 10 and back off when it appears that the dealer will have to build a 20 or 21 with draw cards.
Real question, isn’t this assuming that there is only one deck? Since there are multiple decks in the shoe these stats are still true at the beginning but as you play become less accurate? Truly asking. Not a gambler anymore and didn’t get into blackjack at the casino level.
I’m surprised Ant isn’t a Blackjack streamer. I feel like he’d be good at it. Then again, he’s essentially cancelled, so...
Opie was right, it makes no difference what other people at the table do. The odds of him leaving you with the card you want is the same as him not. Ant is just a superstitious wap.
well I see both points of view, but it is better to play the odds, because you will know with a doubt when the dealer wins every one made the best moves possible.
Opie is never right
OMG this is driving me so crazy. I am sitting here wanting to call in to defend Anthony.
Anthony’s partially right. If you’re on a roll when doing something, and you see someone screw up doing the same thing, it could throw you off a little. Ultimately however, if you can stay on your toes, you can avoid getting tripped up and still achieve success. It really depends on the mental sharpness of the players, and this can go for any form of curricular activity, sport or not.
But it shouldn’t be as big of a deal as he is making it tho. Just cuz one person isn’t as good a player, doesn’t mean the group should shun them. By that logic, half the sport population (athletes) would be wiped out because of fear that they’d throw the entire team off. No one’s a perfect player in anything, not even self proclaimed experts.
I am surprised that Ant is being so stupid here. The fact that the other guy is making a not so smart decision for himself in no way impacts whether or not the other players will win. If the guy hits, the odds of the dealer busting don't change. The odds of you getting what you want on a hit don't change. I think there is a specific logical fallacy for this, but I can't think of it. Ant is operating under the premise that if the guy makes a stupid move for his own hand, that means it is a bad move for everyone else. There is just as much chance that the guy not hitting when he should will help Ant's chances as there is that it will hurt him. It being a bad play for the other player's hand itself doesn't mean it is a bad play for anyone else. If the guy stays when he should hit, then let's say Ant is next, Ant is going to either stay or hit based on what his situation is, not on what the first guy did. The guy staying might just as well result in Ant getting a better/good card as it might result in him getting a worse/bad card. Similarly, it might just as well fuck or help the dealer. Ant is pretending to know what the guy's play will do. It is ridiculous.
"I don't understand that logic" - Opie.
In other words, this is yet another aspect of life that I am completely clueless about, and am insecure about it.
Opie is correct. Everyone likes to shit on him, but bad players at your table don't affect your odds.
They absolutely do. So many times I have seen a guy stop the dealer from going over because he hit when he was not supposed to, making the entire table lose.
I doubt that Opie has ever sat down at a blackjack table.
@@ineversleep9715 just because that happens doesn't mean it changes the odds. It can help just as often as it can hurt. I count for fun, and trust me when I say there are experts who have dug into the math of the game. This isn't contested, bad players don't hurt you.
@@samuelbach1631 objectively wrong
Unfortunately, Opie is correct in this instance, as is Jimmy when he said it's all psychological. A bad choice by another player doesn't just affect one hand but it also affects every hand after that until the reshuffle occurs; Ant would blame the guy if he loses that hand, but he won't credit the guy if he gets a bunch of 10s, 11s, 20s, and blackjacks in the hands that follow. So, while a bad choice could lose you a hand you would have won, it has just as much of a chance of winning you a hand you would have lost (although, I'd guess that the majority of these bad decisions have little direct affect on the hand as most bad decisions are made when the dealer is showing a 10 and the dealer is most likely not going to require a hit anyway. Even the worst players know not to hit when they have more than 11 and the dealer is showing a 3 thru 6). Gamblers (especially addicts) are inherently negative and will always complain about a bad loss or an unlucky beat they took as opposed to a bragging about a winning streak.
ANT is right you will make the whole table lose by making the wrong decision. Even going with the odds you can still lose but the object is to get the best odds by making your best choices. If you don't know the odds then get a card to instruct you. It's legal Casino provides these.
Or win. Equal chance. You just remember the losses. All psychological.
Thjk
Gambling is stupid anyway
question…if it was a reserved table, how was “cowboy hat guy” able sit there??
they're not all your cards Ant!! He has to do what's best for his own hand. He's not gonna take a card because YOU need him to take a card, stupid.
What if you dont need a card but the person after you needs you to yake a card so they dont get your card?? they wanted their card but because of you put a cowboy hat on, they got your card.
I miss Patrice
I don't understand what Ant is talking about.
Because you don't play blackjack
@@jodi2847 That's correct. Can you explain it to me?
@@jodi2847 explain
@@mr.brenman2132 @iBot let's say the dealer has a 2 showing. you have 11, and the guy before you has 13. on his turn he doesn't hit. on yours, you do. you get a 6 which brings you to 17. you stand. the dealer flips over his card and reveals he had a 10 which means he's at 12. he has to hit, and brings out a 9. now he's at 21 and the whole table loses. the first card out of the deck for the next round is a 10, which means if dummy with 13 had hit, both he and you would have won due to the dealer pulling 10 and busting with 22. tldr; it shifts the cards by at least one which is enough to make the odds for the players even worse than they already are.
@@pdworld2418 The odds are a bad player results in you getting a good card just as often as a bad one. In other words, it makes no difference how others play and Ant is just a stupid superstitious elitist wap.
so Ant wants to play blackjack like it's a slot machine, am i correct?
Anthony is correct and anybody who understands odds and ratios can understand. There are more cards worth 10 points than any other number and a dealer is required to hit on anything below 17. So if I stand on 18 and the dealer is showing a 6, you should assume the dealer has 16 and will hit. If cowboy hat guy hits on 13 and pulls a card worth 10 points and busts, there are now less 10 point cards for the dealer to pull. Therefore, the odds of the dealer busting have gone down. Now, instead of getting a card worth 10 points, they pull a 3 and their 19 beats my 18.
He's correct that there is a mathematically optimal way to play blackjack (basic strategy) but he's incorrect that someone not playing basic strategy makes it any less likely that he or any other player at the table will lose. The cards come out in a random order.
@@stevennewman5442 yes, the cards come out in a random order but there are specific, mathematical chances for each individual card. Those odds exist because the pool of cards LIMITED, SHARED, AND RANDOM. Thats how odds and statistics work. Removing a card when a player hits from the deck affects the chances of all remaning cards in the deck appearing. One player ABSOLUTELY affects another player.
@@dreddscott3873 I never said that non-standard play didn't affect other players. I said it doesn't statistically increase or decrease the other players' likelihood of winning since the decisions affect a set of randomly arranged cards that are just as likely to help as to hurt the other players' strategy. This is not controversial and frankly should be obvious. It has also been proven with computer simulations over millions of trials.
@@stevennewman5442 I can't believe I have to break it down to this level. Not because you're dumb, but because of the length.
Let's say I have 17, hat guy has 16 and the dealer has 16. Now lets say there are 10 cards left in the deck. 2 of them are face cards and the rest are 2's, 3's and 4's. There is a 20% chance to pull a face card that will make the dealer bust (therefore I win).
Scenario 1: hat guy doesn't hit, then the dealer has the same 20% chance to bust and I win.
Scenario 2: If hat guy does hit and pulls a 10. Now the deck has 9 cards and only 1 makes the dealer bust. Thats only 11.1% chance. In this scenario I am 8.9% less likely to win. That's almost a 50% net loss from my original odds.
Scenario 3: If hat guy hits and pulls a 2, 3 or 4. The deck again has 9 cards but there are still 2 that make the dealer bust. The dealer now has a 22.2% chance to bust. In this scenario I am only 2.2% more likely to win which is only a 10% net gain from my original odds.
The risks of his bad play far outweigh the rewards.
If I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept it, but I need to be shown mathematically.
@@dreddscott3873 this proves definitively how clueless you are. Your example is idiotic and non-applicable because you assume a non-random distribution of cards remaining in the shoe when the entire point is that the remaining cards are random. Holy cow you're dumb.
Again computer simulations have demonstrated the validity of what I am saying over millions of hands. Every mathematically literate person understands why. No amount of sentences typed on the Internet by clueless morons will change that. Feel free to use Google and do three minutes of research before embarrassing yourself further.
This is gamblers feeding the notion they can control fate
"fate" lmao superstitious fool
Anthony is hateable in this. Completely devoid of logic. He just couldn't admit he was getting angry because he's an elitist and doesn't like casual players.
I don't think that's true. If everyone at the table plays the right way, there's no issue. All players are trying to beat the dealer.
@@briandavey1139 What the f did you just say?
@@Zwia. can you explain the basic rules of black jack
@@briandavey1139 Yes
@@Zwia. so you recognize hitting 15 with the dealer showing a 6 would draw the ire of the table
Thinking 12 makes you need to hit, makes yourself a compulsive gambler. Hitting on 12 is popular for losers. Losers are the majority of gamblers.
hitting on 12 depends on what the dealer has
We all know Ant has no problem hitting on a 12......
It's true that the idiot has just as much of a chance of helping as he does of hurting, but nobody is going to be upset when he does something smart and they lose because of it. The actual odds of poor play hurting you is beside the point. If a shoe goes bad because of an idiot it's on the idiot. When everyone is playing correctly it's just a bad shoe.
"the odds of poor play hurting you is besides the point" thank God I'll never gamble with you
no
Ant must be going nuts because not a single person there seems to understand THIS IS MATHEMATICS! It is not psychological! None of them understand odds or percentages…FFS. I hate saying this, but Ant is 100 percent right!
I'm assuming the people not understanding dont gamble or know how odds work with moving parts
It can go both ways. At the end of the day it's the luck of the cards. Just ritual BS
@@Michael_Hunt well Anthony's point was basically everyone understands that if you stick together and stack your individual odds together, then you have a better chance at making the dealer bust or have too low of cards so the players can split the pot more often rather than one guy screwing everyone cuz he wants the pot for himself. Sure some players might take turns busting but if everyone is on board and goes after the dealer instead of the pot than you have a better chance and continual wins. It's just like they say with poker, play the people not the cards. In this scenario you wanna screw the dealer, not the cards. It just takes a team effort
@@madmagboy then play by yourself. like ant said
I just don’t get how this guy says how somebody elses play doesn’t effect how you play? A deck of cards has 52 cards and any card that another player hits or doesn’t hit on has now has a statistical and probable outcome you have of getting or not getting a certain card. Of course a player effects another player at the table!
Sir you may not be aware, but Opie is an asshole
They use like 4 decks at tables.
@@GovernorRiffRaff okay. Change 52 to 208
Seems like opie was throwing verbal jabs at ant this whole bit. Wonder how close this was to one of their fights or the day ant got fired
Well patrice is thère so it wouldnt be that close to Anthony's firing
Patrice is there and presumably alive. so it's several years before his firing. They hated each other since WNEW though.
Probably because Anthony’s being an elitist degenerate
Anthony is dead wrong about this.
No he's not
@@chiefbeef816 I ran a casino for years in Los Angeles . He's 100% wrong.
@@BudsCartoon so you're saying a player standing on 13 vs. a dealer's 10 is a reasonable way to play blackjack? Don't be silly.
@@chiefbeef816 I'm saying it doesn't affect the next player, statistically by the odds. Obviously if you are in the mindset of reverse calculating "what would've happened if..." you are going to be pissed when you lose, but no one cares to do the "what if" scenario when they win. It works out with the same randomness.
@BudsCartoon never win on a table with poor players. They fuck up a good shoe everytime.
Cumia is spot on!
No wonder why Anthony got beaten up by a large black woman and then lost his million dollar a year job. What a legacy
Opie was 100 percent right. It makes no fucking difference how anyone else plays in blacks. It doesn't change the odds at all.
That's a retarded thing to say. It absolutely matters.