Metagoblin did the same thing before TBC started. Called dps classes C Tier, like fury warrior, that no one would take to raid. Then TBC came out and fury was performing S tier/A tier throughout expansion. With top guilds taking multiple dps warriors. He's just bad, but has a lot of viewers, giving people the impression that views = knowledge.
That's a bit different. There was no reason to predict fury was going to be anything other than trash tier, because the spec went live no different than it was on private servers. The change that made warriors great was global glancing going down from 40 to 25%, which was a buff to all melees, but unlike say rogues warriors actually have a nice overall kit so if you pair that with doing good damage you get an s tier spec. In other words it's not the fury spec specificly that was better than expected, it's all melees. Warrior just profited from that the most
@@DistressQQ yeah but the assumption that private server values would equate to classic values had no basis in reality. Glancing blows corrected values + hs queueing + much quicker kill times resulted in a massive difference in dps. So the content creators "created" unjustifiable anti-warrior bias.
@@DistressQQ And the same thing is done now. People take private servers experience and assume from that that warrior and arms in particular will be trash in wotlk until at least t9 - that's the general consensus from what I've read anyway. That might possibly be the case, however, I simply don't like people acting like it's a definite truth and you're 100% wasting your time starting wotlk as dps warrior and should reroll to something else. We can only assume at this point, so I feel content creators should be aware of this and make it clear in their videos that it's all just assumption at this point and, like Konter says, it'll just harm certain specs and players if opinions like "XY is trash in wotlk" are spread like ultimate truths.
Yeah this is a pet peeve of mine. I've basically top DPS meters since phase 2 of TBC, yet every pre-tbc video $#!+ all over DPS warriors and made it nearly impossible to get into a good guild. In fact my guild is terrible and I had to start doing GDKP in order to clear SWP
I was just thinking about this after I made the mistake of checking out a tier list video and read the comments underneath. Was looking forward to the changes for arms in wotlk and playing it in the expansion, but honestly with the bad attitude towards this spec before wotlk is even live, I'm having doubts now. I don't want to be that person who's not invited in the group because of my spec. It sucks that it may well be that way and I'm worried now and considering just starting the expac with my shadow instead.
Idk man, i heard them specifically mention he was not a good DK player and also that they were going specifically on P server data and kill times. Also, if you are refuting a video, at the very least you should mention the correct rotation and what they got wrong.
Hmmm I said, that the problem I have is more about how he frased it when he spoke about the class performance. he said: " a subtlety rogue pumps at thirty one hundred" and: "then a frostmage, to nobody's surprise does not a lot of damage at all" This does not sound like he questions his rotation skills at all. and my main problem with that is that this will paint a picture about the specs performance that is not accurately representing the damage that a decent player will be able to dish out. what follows are sad rogues that struggle even more with getting in to groups because some people will have this wrong picture stuck in their head. I dont say that he did this on purpose like god no. But I wish that he would take at least a little practice on a spec that he never played, before doing souch a test. I can clearly see that he was not trying on the sub rogue at all. You can hear in his voice that he did not enjoy the idea of including the "meme specs" in his video, but did it anyways because people requested it "for some reason". This video is ment to make people aware that its good if you are careful with your presentation of informations and that you should not exclude someone because of an expectation that is not backed up by your own personal experience (if its not necessary). I pointed out the mistakes he did, even tho they are so obvious it was not realy needed. Sure I could have talked about how to play sup rog, but this is not what this video is ment to do, like I said. I´m not trying to attack him, I attack all the videos that are done in this Fassion, Scotty Jays included. in the end a youtuber is not to hold accountable for the things that people do with the informations that they get from a video. still I think that someone who realy struggles with getting in to dungeon groups because big youtubers talked Sh** about their class, have the right to be pretty pissed
@@konter4323 well as it is with everything in life, some things are better than others for certain things. Example when leveling or grinding certain dungeons like Shattered Halls in TBC, you are happy to have frost mages in grp, and a bit sad if you check out mage and he is arcane or fire. And it's other way around in raids, because frost just won't perform as well. I know all of this is part of a min max mentality which has spread over time, but it is what it is. I get that it sucks if you wanna play a spec and people are saying it sucks and no one will use you, but that also goes to the mentality of i wanna play what i want when i want and stfu, vs the i'm gonna pull my own weight and help this grp out. Again, i know it sucks for certain specs, but that's how balancing has gone. But it is as you say in the sense that bunch said Fury was gonna be bad in TBC for example and it turned out not to be the case. It's a case of play what you want to the best of your abilities, and find out by yourself just how high you can go with your class and spec. In this case, i personally, would much rather have a vid from you with your input on how to maximize certain classes and helping certain specs or players out.
@@AndyO0520 True that! I plan to do videos like this for wrath, but only after it realy hits. if people have this attitude " i wanna play what i want when i want and stfu" I would not like to raid with them thats for sure! sadly a lot of people that are actually trying hard on lower tier classes to get roughly the same results as A or S tier classes often times are seen as they have this special snowflake attitude even tho they just like the spec and a little challange. I feel like at least some of the frustration in the world comes from the pressure to allways perform on a high level and if you dont, you suck. its kinda sad that this attitude carries over even in to a fantasy world where everything is possible. I think everyone who believes that this attitude is not helpful should not be afraid to push against it. For people to develop they need some kind of freedome. and a lot of people dont feel like they have that freedome because of the constand pressure to just bee a certain way that is seen to be optimal. but yes I agree that showing how its done right is a stronger approach then pointing on some1 else to show how its done wrong if that makes sense
good gamer play arms warrior and beats furries. and sry but no,, wow hits you like truck that your spec is just bad and nomatter how good you play, it will be still bad coz this is not an anime :D so friendly advice this is meta game stick to proper specs and classes if you wanna have fun again no matter how good you are you wont do shit against one button pure glass canons like hunters and locks. after nochange no sense they say somechanges and i hope they do rework talents in that matter and put one usefull buff or debuff ability for every spec for every class so you destroy meta and make everyone usefull at some point depends on comp of the raid. i do cross my fingers for it but i know it wont happen.
yeah will see will see.. you forgot that somtimes its not only about how good you are but how kreative as well.. if you want to compete or beat the best of the best you have two options. 1. be better with what they r doing or 2. do something that no one else is doing. breaking the meta and trying out something else is a strategy to success as old as evolution it self. The meta back then was to get bigger and stronger, but humans just spend points in intelligence and thumbs :D as everything this can obviously fail, but it can succeed as well. you can trust me when I tell you I saw both happen multiple times in wow
Hey man, is there any chance you could help me out improve my logs? I find it extremely hard to find information on how to be a better arms warrior. I would appreciate it dearly if you could add me on discord or battlenet, so you could help me out.
watching him try to stack more than 5 combo points and not pressing eviscerate once just hurts my soul.
I'm glad someone is calling them out on their bs.
And his main in classic was a rogue but he can't even maintain snd up during the fight lol
Yup that's metagoblin's video
Jesus watching him struggle with the rotation gave me a stroke
Metagoblin
Metagoblin did the same thing before TBC started. Called dps classes C Tier, like fury warrior, that no one would take to raid. Then TBC came out and fury was performing S tier/A tier throughout expansion. With top guilds taking multiple dps warriors. He's just bad, but has a lot of viewers, giving people the impression that views = knowledge.
That's a bit different. There was no reason to predict fury was going to be anything other than trash tier, because the spec went live no different than it was on private servers. The change that made warriors great was global glancing going down from 40 to 25%, which was a buff to all melees, but unlike say rogues warriors actually have a nice overall kit so if you pair that with doing good damage you get an s tier spec. In other words it's not the fury spec specificly that was better than expected, it's all melees. Warrior just profited from that the most
@@DistressQQ yeah but the assumption that private server values would equate to classic values had no basis in reality. Glancing blows corrected values + hs queueing + much quicker kill times resulted in a massive difference in dps. So the content creators "created" unjustifiable anti-warrior bias.
And even at the end of classic, everyone said metagoblin sucks and have no clue what he is talking about. Dont know why he still has so many viewer
@@DistressQQ And the same thing is done now. People take private servers experience and assume from that that warrior and arms in particular will be trash in wotlk until at least t9 - that's the general consensus from what I've read anyway. That might possibly be the case, however, I simply don't like people acting like it's a definite truth and you're 100% wasting your time starting wotlk as dps warrior and should reroll to something else. We can only assume at this point, so I feel content creators should be aware of this and make it clear in their videos that it's all just assumption at this point and, like Konter says, it'll just harm certain specs and players if opinions like "XY is trash in wotlk" are spread like ultimate truths.
truth has been spoken!
very simpel!
Thank you
omg i love beef
I hope goblins are not vegetarian
I need to see the original clip, it's almost too stupid to be real
metagoblin
Yeah this is a pet peeve of mine. I've basically top DPS meters since phase 2 of TBC, yet every pre-tbc video $#!+ all over DPS warriors and made it nearly impossible to get into a good guild. In fact my guild is terrible and I had to start doing GDKP in order to clear SWP
wont be the case in wrath
I was just thinking about this after I made the mistake of checking out a tier list video and read the comments underneath. Was looking forward to the changes for arms in wotlk and playing it in the expansion, but honestly with the bad attitude towards this spec before wotlk is even live, I'm having doubts now. I don't want to be that person who's not invited in the group because of my spec. It sucks that it may well be that way and I'm worried now and considering just starting the expac with my shadow instead.
Y kinda cringe when you think about that you should play arms early
Been away for a minute. Confused about the DK buffs (icons), can anyone explain? Is it prepatch?
Beta
whats the link to the original video?
The available wotlk content makes me sad. It's all so bad.
Konter is the hero we need but don’t deserve! ❤️
The same fools making guides for tbc had it wrong then and they'll have it wrong for WOTLK
Hadnt noticed when i saw the video hahaha its so embarassing. Its pretty much the reason why noone liked rogues. People cant play them i guess.
Content creators tryna curb the amount of rogues in wotlk so they can find raids 😂😂😂
Idk man, i heard them specifically mention he was not a good DK player and also that they were going specifically on P server data and kill times. Also, if you are refuting a video, at the very least you should mention the correct rotation and what they got wrong.
Hmmm I said, that the problem I have is more about how he frased it when he spoke about the class performance.
he said: " a subtlety rogue pumps at thirty one hundred"
and: "then a frostmage, to nobody's surprise does not a lot of damage at all"
This does not sound like he questions his rotation skills at all.
and my main problem with that is that this will paint a picture about the specs performance that is not accurately representing the damage that a decent player will be able to dish out.
what follows are sad rogues that struggle even more with getting in to groups because some people will have this wrong picture stuck in their head.
I dont say that he did this on purpose like god no.
But I wish that he would take at least a little practice on a spec that he never played, before doing souch a test. I can clearly see that he was not trying on the sub rogue at all.
You can hear in his voice that he did not enjoy the idea of including the "meme specs" in his video, but did it anyways because people requested it "for some reason".
This video is ment to make people aware that its good if you are careful with your presentation of informations and that you should not exclude someone because of an expectation that is not backed up by your own personal experience (if its not necessary).
I pointed out the mistakes he did, even tho they are so obvious it was not realy needed.
Sure I could have talked about how to play sup rog, but this is not what this video is ment to do, like I said.
I´m not trying to attack him, I attack all the videos that are done in this Fassion, Scotty Jays included.
in the end a youtuber is not to hold accountable for the things that people do with the informations that they get from a video.
still I think that someone who realy struggles with getting in to dungeon groups because big youtubers talked Sh** about their class, have the right to be pretty pissed
@@konter4323 well as it is with everything in life, some things are better than others for certain things. Example when leveling or grinding certain dungeons like Shattered Halls in TBC, you are happy to have frost mages in grp, and a bit sad if you check out mage and he is arcane or fire. And it's other way around in raids, because frost just won't perform as well. I know all of this is part of a min max mentality which has spread over time, but it is what it is. I get that it sucks if you wanna play a spec and people are saying it sucks and no one will use you, but that also goes to the mentality of i wanna play what i want when i want and stfu, vs the i'm gonna pull my own weight and help this grp out. Again, i know it sucks for certain specs, but that's how balancing has gone. But it is as you say in the sense that bunch said Fury was gonna be bad in TBC for example and it turned out not to be the case. It's a case of play what you want to the best of your abilities, and find out by yourself just how high you can go with your class and spec. In this case, i personally, would much rather have a vid from you with your input on how to maximize certain classes and helping certain specs or players out.
@@AndyO0520 True that!
I plan to do videos like this for wrath, but only after it realy hits. if people have this attitude " i wanna play what i want when i want and stfu" I would not like to raid with them thats for sure! sadly a lot of people that are actually trying hard on lower tier classes to get roughly the same results as A or S tier classes often times are seen as they have this special snowflake attitude even tho they just like the spec and a little challange.
I feel like at least some of the frustration in the world comes from the pressure to allways perform on a high level and if you dont, you suck. its kinda sad that this attitude carries over even in to a fantasy world where everything is possible.
I think everyone who believes that this attitude is not helpful should not be afraid to push against it.
For people to develop they need some kind of freedome.
and a lot of people dont feel like they have that freedome because of the constand pressure to just bee a certain way that is seen to be optimal.
but yes I agree that showing how its done right is a stronger approach then pointing on some1 else to show how its done wrong if that makes sense
good gamer play arms warrior and beats furries. and sry but no,, wow hits you like truck that your spec is just bad and nomatter how good you play, it will be still bad coz this is not an anime :D so friendly advice this is meta game stick to proper specs and classes if you wanna have fun again no matter how good you are you wont do shit against one button pure glass canons like hunters and locks. after nochange no sense they say somechanges and i hope they do rework talents in that matter and put one usefull buff or debuff ability for every spec for every class so you destroy meta and make everyone usefull at some point depends on comp of the raid. i do cross my fingers for it but i know it wont happen.
yeah will see will see..
you forgot that somtimes its not only about how good you are but how kreative as well..
if you want to compete or beat the best of the best you have two options.
1. be better with what they r doing
or 2. do something that no one else is doing.
breaking the meta and trying out something else is a strategy to success as old as evolution it self.
The meta back then was to get bigger and stronger, but humans just spend points in intelligence and thumbs :D
as everything this can obviously fail, but it can succeed as well. you can trust me when I tell you I saw both happen multiple times in wow
Hey man, is there any chance you could help me out improve my logs? I find it extremely hard to find information on how to be a better arms warrior. I would appreciate it dearly if you could add me on discord or battlenet, so you could help me out.
sure man
you can give me your discord