I can't take this seriously. A trinket being removed is not "undergeared" and watching you click your rotation is hard to watch. CLICKING Consecration is a CRIME.
Fair enough. However I did do another 13 today with no weapon! That was a lot harder :p Missed on 2nd boss then we timed the 12 haha. No wep = cannot parry and I like to click stuff just out of habbit.
make a new paladin get him to ilvl590 then do a 13, removing just one piece isnt nearly enough, main stat + armor from 626+ gear is way more valuable - even when you drop 2-3 items. a full 590 ilvl paladin in idk veteran gear will never have as much armor and health/str as an 590 ilvl paladin who dropped 3 626+ items.
That's totally fair. I understand where you are coming from. I did another one where I had no weapon equipped and I'll do a few more with AH greens or whatever else to make it more realistic. I def don't wanna level a 2nd pally haha. You can check that one out if you ever wanted :P ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
Hi! I think mists is a good key to start out with but remember to kick the 2nd boss! Learning keys is all about reps and practice :) Feel free to stop by stream and ask me any questions that come up as well. Hope you enjoy tanking
Clickbait as it is, ilvl (item level) averages in WoW only work for high-end, fully equipped gear. Even if you remove a trinket, you still maintain the status of a fully geared 626 ilvl character. Here’s a real challenge: check the logs for a Paladin with 589 ilvl, then start removing pieces of armor until you achieve the stats of a 589 ilvl Protection Paladin. Only then can you time a +13 key and claim that the spec is broken. Alternatively, you could craft 589 ilvl items, which are very cheap, and do the same thing (or even buy greens from the Auction House). Even if you do that, the shield remains an important piece of your armor. It increases your block amount by itself, so unless you swap your shield for a low-level one, you’ll still be slightly ahead of a standard 589 ilvl Protection Paladin. Is Protection Paladin strong? Yes, I believe it’s the strongest tank right now. However, making a fake video without any context adds nothing of value to the community. That said, congratulations on your views-good marketing strategy with a misleading product.
@@jhonicarlos6784 Totally fair. I understand where you are coming from and I think that's a great idea. I did another one without a weapon which was quite tough. Not being able to parry was a challenge and no hero talent/wep enchant/embelish was tough. I'll def take this suggestion and do some more soon! I didn't mean to make this one fake or lie. I put in the desciption that I just took off a trinket and it was just a fun stream challenge :) I'm a new creator so I'm still learning these titles and stuff! If you ever want to make more suggestions feel free to stop by twitch anyday! I appreciate how you are thinking. @awootank
Okay I did the same key with no aug and also no weapon this time. We lost the 13 at 2nd boss and then timed the 12 :p ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
Don't be. No doubt he's a fantastic player, but when was the last time you ran with dps on these small pulls that are throwing down 4 mil each with an Aug evoker?
@@neverclevernorwitty7821 Fanstastic player? When he mouse clicks his spells I want to punch my screen. Other than that yea he's got swag. I also would like to see him pull this off without an Aug by his side tbh.
He unequipped Swarmlord's Authority, which is about a 2%-3% performance loss. Tank trinkets really suck this addon-I can guarantee that with 612 ilvl, you're way weaker than he is with his trinket unequipped and 589 ilvl. So don´t feel bad.
Don't feel bad! This is not my first tank this season and I have a lot of experience. I also had a group helping me out so this is not a fair average pug experience. Practice makes better and prot pally has a ton of unique interactions to learn about
@@infnubas7677 I did also tank a few 12 dawnbreaker when I first started on my pally at like 605-612 ilvl or so but as I answered in the previous comment, prot pally is very very good at this dungeon and has a way to live everything even at low ilvl.
Very fair! I put in the description that I just removed a trinket. It was a stream challenge where people voted for me to take off a piece of gear. I did another one with no weapon which was much harder haha. Not being able to parry/hero talent/embelish/wep enchant and the lack of dmg was worse than ilvl diff. ua-cam.com/video/-7jyWPAISQ8/v-deo.html I'll def do some more wearing AH greens though to make it more realistic. I'm still very new at this content creation stuff and people have had some great feedback! Feel free to stop by twitch anytime and lmk if you got any challenge ideas!
For all of you wondering “how’s this possible?!” or “My pally has x ilvl higher and can’t do a 10!” … don’t be deceived by the click bait. First, his Raider Io log for this run shows him on a 627 ilvl. Second, the first boss encounter plus some trash packs which will destroy a very low geared tank - even if there’s an Aug In party. I give the credit that prot pally’s are strong … but not that strong 😊 Next time, show a character panel open with the gear ilvl etc
Fair comment but you can come by my stream anytime and also check first boss when I opened my character to reenchant my weapon. Stream can vote for me to remove a piece of gear, in this case my 2nd trinket which put me at 589 ilvl for this run. In terms of the first boss, pally can straight up immune the tank mechanic as you hear my rotation with spellward/bubble/AD cheat death proc so technically you could do it at literally any ilvl with a proper rotation. And the trash in dawnbreaker, you can spell block umbral rush/kick the web bolts on the ship so tank doesn't take extra dmg. You also hear my dwarf/bubble/parry the bleeds in first area. Pally has options to deal with all of it. If you watch closely, you can see me struggle with the few packs I couldn't "Cheese" like the 2nd miniboss for example which is just straight melee dmg on me
Another answer to this btw is that dawnbreaker in particular for pally is something I can cheese but if I were to try +13 NW like this I'd be giga dead on first pull. It's just knowledge of dungeon + clever use of pally's toolkit
Removing a trinket doesn’t mean you are low ilvl … means you are lacking either ~3k str or ~1300 haste (depends on the options of trinkets you have). I still stand by my point - you are not under geared for this dungeon hence the title is misleading and in the direction of click bait. All the explanations are valid, CDs, knowledge of mechanics and dungeon
I'll do it again with any piece removed by stream chat vote (aside from wep/shield) Even my tier set prob :) Prot pally has ways to live almost anything
To make the challenge harder, I did another one with no weapon this time instead of no trinket. Twas much harder. ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html Also my prot pal is like 2 weeks old so even fully equipped I'm only at 628
Totally understand why you think that! I didn't mean to lie at all. It was just a fun stream challenge and I put in the description that I removed trinket but fair enough. To make it more fair I did another one where I had no weapon but I can do a few more with greens from AH or whatever. It's just fun way to pass the time :) You can check out the other video here if you want to. No weapon was pretty tough! ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
I didn't mean to lie! Sorry bout that. I'm still very new at this and it was just a fun stream challenge. I put in the description to clarify i had just removed a trinket but I did another one without a weapon which was much harder haha ua-cam.com/video/-7jyWPAISQ8/v-deo.html
Didn't mean to lie! It was just a fun stream challenge. I did another one with no weapon which was much harder haha. I put in the description that I had just removed a trinket. I'm still very new at this content creation stuff. Sorry if it seemed like I was lying! I'll do some more with AH greens or whatever at some point :)
i love your vids. nice commentary during the gameplay
I can't take this seriously. A trinket being removed is not "undergeared" and watching you click your rotation is hard to watch. CLICKING Consecration is a CRIME.
Fair enough. However I did do another 13 today with no weapon! That was a lot harder :p Missed on 2nd boss then we timed the 12 haha. No wep = cannot parry and I like to click stuff just out of habbit.
make a new paladin get him to ilvl590 then do a 13, removing just one piece isnt nearly enough, main stat + armor from 626+ gear is way more valuable - even when you drop 2-3 items. a full 590 ilvl paladin in idk veteran gear will never have as much armor and health/str as an 590 ilvl paladin who dropped 3 626+ items.
That's totally fair. I understand where you are coming from. I did another one where I had no weapon equipped and I'll do a few more with AH greens or whatever else to make it more realistic. I def don't wanna level a 2nd pally haha. You can check that one out if you ever wanted :P ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
What are those player frames called? I’m looking for a simple player frame UI that shows party/personal buffs cleanly on top of the frames like yours
Cell! You can find me exact profile in my discord or stop by on stream even if im offline and type !ui
Im a new prot pally currently at 598 after switching from Ret. I want to start mythics. What key should i start out with?
Hi! I think mists is a good key to start out with but remember to kick the 2nd boss! Learning keys is all about reps and practice :) Feel free to stop by stream and ask me any questions that come up as well. Hope you enjoy tanking
@@awootank Thank you!
Hey man, how do you have 50844 str with 589 ilvl at the beginning of the dg (no procs), and I have only 51187 with 630 ilvl on my pally?
Clickbait as it is, ilvl (item level) averages in WoW only work for high-end, fully equipped gear. Even if you remove a trinket, you still maintain the status of a fully geared 626 ilvl character.
Here’s a real challenge: check the logs for a Paladin with 589 ilvl, then start removing pieces of armor until you achieve the stats of a 589 ilvl Protection Paladin. Only then can you time a +13 key and claim that the spec is broken.
Alternatively, you could craft 589 ilvl items, which are very cheap, and do the same thing (or even buy greens from the Auction House).
Even if you do that, the shield remains an important piece of your armor. It increases your block amount by itself, so unless you swap your shield for a low-level one, you’ll still be slightly ahead of a standard 589 ilvl Protection Paladin.
Is Protection Paladin strong? Yes, I believe it’s the strongest tank right now. However, making a fake video without any context adds nothing of value to the community. That said, congratulations on your views-good marketing strategy with a misleading product.
@@jhonicarlos6784 Totally fair. I understand where you are coming from and I think that's a great idea. I did another one without a weapon which was quite tough. Not being able to parry was a challenge and no hero talent/wep enchant/embelish was tough.
I'll def take this suggestion and do some more soon! I didn't mean to make this one fake or lie. I put in the desciption that I just took off a trinket and it was just a fun stream challenge :) I'm a new creator so I'm still learning these titles and stuff!
If you ever want to make more suggestions feel free to stop by twitch anyday! I appreciate how you are thinking. @awootank
Remember guys, an aug evoker is like having 20 extra ilvls worth of stats as a tank
They certainly help and this aug evoker is very good. Maybe I woulda died on like 2nd miniboss without one yeah
Okay I did the same key with no aug and also no weapon this time. We lost the 13 at 2nd boss and then timed the 12 :p ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
this made me feel so bad hahahaha im so trash i cant do 11s with a 612 prot pally and here you are 589 depressing lol
Don't be. No doubt he's a fantastic player, but when was the last time you ran with dps on these small pulls that are throwing down 4 mil each with an Aug evoker?
@@neverclevernorwitty7821 Fanstastic player? When he mouse clicks his spells I want to punch my screen. Other than that yea he's got swag. I also would like to see him pull this off without an Aug by his side tbh.
He unequipped Swarmlord's Authority, which is about a 2%-3% performance loss. Tank trinkets really suck this addon-I can guarantee that with 612 ilvl, you're way weaker than he is with his trinket unequipped and 589 ilvl. So don´t feel bad.
Don't feel bad! This is not my first tank this season and I have a lot of experience. I also had a group helping me out so this is not a fair average pug experience. Practice makes better and prot pally has a ton of unique interactions to learn about
@@infnubas7677 I did also tank a few 12 dawnbreaker when I first started on my pally at like 605-612 ilvl or so but as I answered in the previous comment, prot pally is very very good at this dungeon and has a way to live everything even at low ilvl.
this is very misleading, a trrue 589 prot pally would not have nearly the stats you do just removing a piece of gear
Very fair! I put in the description that I just removed a trinket. It was a stream challenge where people voted for me to take off a piece of gear. I did another one with no weapon which was much harder haha. Not being able to parry/hero talent/embelish/wep enchant and the lack of dmg was worse than ilvl diff. ua-cam.com/video/-7jyWPAISQ8/v-deo.html
I'll def do some more wearing AH greens though to make it more realistic. I'm still very new at this content creation stuff and people have had some great feedback! Feel free to stop by twitch anytime and lmk if you got any challenge ideas!
For all of you wondering “how’s this possible?!” or “My pally has x ilvl higher and can’t do a 10!” … don’t be deceived by the click bait.
First, his Raider Io log for this run shows him on a 627 ilvl.
Second, the first boss encounter plus some trash packs which will destroy a very low geared tank - even if there’s an Aug In party.
I give the credit that prot pally’s are strong … but not that strong 😊
Next time, show a character panel open with the gear ilvl etc
Fair comment but you can come by my stream anytime and also check first boss when I opened my character to reenchant my weapon. Stream can vote for me to remove a piece of gear, in this case my 2nd trinket which put me at 589 ilvl for this run.
In terms of the first boss, pally can straight up immune the tank mechanic as you hear my rotation with spellward/bubble/AD cheat death proc so technically you could do it at literally any ilvl with a proper rotation. And the trash in dawnbreaker, you can spell block umbral rush/kick the web bolts on the ship so tank doesn't take extra dmg. You also hear my dwarf/bubble/parry the bleeds in first area. Pally has options to deal with all of it. If you watch closely, you can see me struggle with the few packs I couldn't "Cheese" like the 2nd miniboss for example which is just straight melee dmg on me
Another answer to this btw is that dawnbreaker in particular for pally is something I can cheese but if I were to try +13 NW like this I'd be giga dead on first pull. It's just knowledge of dungeon + clever use of pally's toolkit
Removing a trinket doesn’t mean you are low ilvl … means you are lacking either ~3k str or ~1300 haste (depends on the options of trinkets you have).
I still stand by my point - you are not under geared for this dungeon hence the title is misleading and in the direction of click bait.
All the explanations are valid, CDs, knowledge of mechanics and dungeon
@@PiLulaMG I'm gonna do it again right now but no weapon or no tier set.
@@PiLulaMG @awootank if u wanna come see it :p
Look his stats alone.. around 51k str its equal to my 632 prot pal.. such a bullshit, removing your cloak or Trinket doesnt make u weaker at all.
I'll do it again with any piece removed by stream chat vote (aside from wep/shield) Even my tier set prob :) Prot pally has ways to live almost anything
But yeah, it was just a fun stream challenge. Stop by sometime and vote for the next challenge!
To make the challenge harder, I did another one with no weapon this time instead of no trinket. Twas much harder. ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html Also my prot pal is like 2 weeks old so even fully equipped I'm only at 628
Lying to the people by dropping gear is a bad look.
Totally understand why you think that! I didn't mean to lie at all. It was just a fun stream challenge and I put in the description that I removed trinket but fair enough. To make it more fair I did another one where I had no weapon but I can do a few more with greens from AH or whatever. It's just fun way to pass the time :) You can check out the other video here if you want to. No weapon was pretty tough! ua-cam.com/video/62MmXHq5-Z0/v-deo.html
Ugh, more clickbait.
To be fair, it did work. And I did still do the challenge :p
the 589 ilvl pala pumping 2-3 mio at a pack. sure buddy. u wont get big when u already lie when u arent...
I didn't mean to lie! Sorry bout that. I'm still very new at this and it was just a fun stream challenge. I put in the description to clarify i had just removed a trinket but I did another one without a weapon which was much harder haha ua-cam.com/video/-7jyWPAISQ8/v-deo.html
Weak liar he is 627 just without one Trinket
Didn't mean to lie! It was just a fun stream challenge. I did another one with no weapon which was much harder haha. I put in the description that I had just removed a trinket. I'm still very new at this content creation stuff. Sorry if it seemed like I was lying! I'll do some more with AH greens or whatever at some point :)