I completely agree with the OP. As the plane was rapidly losing altitude, some pilots might have pulled it out of its dive too sharply, which can damage the aircraft so badly that it becomes a lawn dart. Well done to this crew.
@@karlinchina And yet many pilots encountering these issues didn't recover killing everyone. These pilots did recover, and there was no loss of life...
The obsession with reselecting the autopilot puzzles me.. I've been through similar weather on several occasions, especially in the tropics..The A/P creates a separation between the forces acting on the aircraft and the pilot, the fact that it was repeatedly disconnecting was a clear indication that the forces were such that it could not safely do its job.. Hands-on control gives all the feedback directly to the flight crew. The air at that altitude is extremely thin, any upset will result in a massive departure from controlled flight.
@@timonsolus - It's not about the autopilot "saving" them - in an emergency it's perfectly OK to use the autopilot once the aircraft is stabilised in order for the crew to focus on assessing the situation and planning next steps. Here they tried to re-engage it too early, but they'd have known that the autopilot couldn't fly a recovery for them. Note that the Captain had 10,000 flying hours - they almost certainly had the experience to know the basics and then some, but an upset like that can shake anyone up.
As a fellow Canadian I'm going to defend the dispatcher's misreading of the storm location on too many Tim Horton's coffee & donuts on the job...& also probably speaking in metric eh!
I am surprised the aircraft was not severely damaged from the stress. I also wonder about the stress on the passengers and crew. If I had been on that flight, that may well have been my last flight on any aircraft. The pilots kept their cool and saved everyone.
@@karlinchina No, I didn't miss that part. Can you contribute to the discussion by providing an explanation for why you think they banked more to the right? They obviously corrected their mistake as the aircraft did not smash into the ground at the speed of sound after disintegrating in midair as it plunged straight down.
The Embraer 145 is the best plane I’ve ever flown. The systems are really well thought out, mx resets are super easy, and it’s a tank. I’ve flown Falcon 900’s, Lear 20 series, 737, and emb 145. There could be better stuff out there, but amongst those, the embraer is the one for me.
One thing I did after getting my private pilots licence (I am not commercial and have never flown jets) was to complete a emergency manoeuvre training program in a Pitts. It was great and really taught you to be on top of where the power setting was. It looked like the pilots waited a while before reducing power which would have resulted in more speed in the dive. I could be wrong but as a new pilot learning how to recover from fully developed spins (albeit not in IMC) was invaluable.
Amazing pilots and the aircraft they were flying! I was waiting for signs of in flight breakup occurring but thankfully the pilots regained control before that happened!
The pilots did a great job! They knew what they were doing and everyone on board made it safe and sound! Bravo to a great crew in the cockpit!🙂🙂🛫🛫🛫🛫💯💯💯
When I was aviating at FL 370 and needed to get around weather, I talked with the controller, not dispatch. No one knows their airspace better than ARTCC.
The incompetence of the Pilots Flying, got them into an unnecessary situation where they needed to save the day. If they had been competent, they wouldn't flown into a huge thunderstorm in the first place.
The pilots did an outstanding job recovering the aircraft, and the aircraft did an outstanding job staying together. I've flown in and around thunderstorms and it's always interesting, but NEVER was it anything like that!
Exactly. Repeated disengages of the autopilot system indicate either A) autopilot system malfunction or B) aircraft currently operating at/in parameters outside of autopilot programming. In any case if the autopilot won’t engage, QUIT SCREWING WITH IT!! Just hand fly. You’re in an RJ on a flight from KGRR to KEWR, not a freaking 12-14 hr ETOPS trip!!!! Is it that hard to HAND FLY your aircraft???? Seriously, WTF???
When the pilots had control, they made it worse. At least autopilot doesn't bank to the right when the plane is already banking 63 degrees to the right.
Not much skill on that flight deck. What was their planned FL? Did they over climb the airplane to get on top? Severe icing at high altitude? Calling Dispatch for CB avoidance? Don’t know how to use weather radar on the airplane? Try to recover by turning the autopilot on? Scary!
"The aircraft pitches down and rolls to the right." Then the pilots increase power and bank to the right. I'm not a pilot but that is sure to worsen the situation. At 4:42: "The pilots bank to the right, increasing the bank..." What kind of idiocy is this? Great video as usual Allec.
Pleasantly surprised that the pilots were not instinctively blamed. Did the company dispatch knowingly misuse the company software (my guess is no)? I, too, would like to know if NDT techniques (ultrasonic, eddy current, etc) were used to inspect the airframe after this incident because I would not trust this particular airplane unless it's thoroughly checked out.
In my totally unqualified opinion, expecting the pilots to anticipate a sudden change in the weather is a bit harsh. The situation deteriorated very quickly, and it sounds like they asked for assistance as soon as possible. The radar system used by the dispatcher seems to have made things worse by minimizing the size of the storm.
I get where you're coming from, but it's incumbent on the pilots to, before takeoff, check for any SIGMET reports, plan for going around any bad weather along the flight path, and make preparations for diverting to another airfield if necessary. You never fly into thunderstorms.
In far too many of these events, we see the pilots wasting valuable time to decrease power whether in flight or on landing. I'd be instinctively backing off on it immediately. Maybe that was in my training at some point, though I don't recall. Even in a car, when things start going south, back off the throttle immediately!
The Captain is in charge of navigation, not the dispatcher. Also, why was the power not reduced earlier once they had an excessive descent rate? Why did they repeatedly try to re-engage the autopilot? They should have been flying manually in those conditions.
There's your problem. The pilots should have already been aware of the thunderstorms via a SIGMET report or through one of several other readily obtainable online resources. There's even a phone number that pilots can call to get current meteorological information. Never contact a dispatcher when danger seems imminent. The pilots should have contacted the nearest ARTCC personnel upon seeing the thunderstorms and simply told them that they were in danger of getting boxed in. They are much more highly trained and would be looking at a much better and more comprehensive radar image of the airspace. They could have then vectored them to completely avoid the weather, given them reports from other pilots in the area, and provided flight following until they were out of danger. Flying into IMC is sometimes unavoidable, but you never ever fly into thunderstorms, ever. The pilots did a great job of saving the aircraft, but they shouldn't have gotten in to those dangerous conditions to begin with.
The pilots got them out of it, but why add right input when in an excessive right bank? They should have pulled up when in the runaway descent and pulled back on the throttle earlier.
You say pilot pitched to the right when the plane was already banked too far right. Are you sure the pilot did that, or did the plane pitch to the right which is different?
Those were the times.. Were you had super experienced crews even at the regional level.. Mainly because of limited and also corrupt hiring (eg nepotism, who you know etc) at the mainline. You'd be lucky now if the ca had more than 3k and fo more than 1k.
Hi Allec, I like your videos and apreciate the work you do but I think you should find another platform for the videos. UA-cam is getting worse and worse, too much advertising and deleting comments.
Totally incompetent pilots imho... Just to ensure that I got that right: The pilots contacted their dispatch (?!?) for a routing around or out of the weahter ahead??? Sheesh - where has basic airmanship gone? Don't they have an onboard weather radar? Don't they know how to use it? A sure fire way to spot an incompetent pilot / crew ist the repeated attempt to engage the autopilot. Don't they know that autopilots switch themselves off if parameters are too far out of their 'envelope'? Well - and forive my frenchs - but people like this 'crew' have nothing lost in a cockpit. Period. More and more we see not aviators in cockpits but mere systems managers without a clue about airmansip. The industry truly is in a sad state...
So twice the pilots turned the plane deeper into a critical and excessive bank to the right? Why? What were they thinking? Even if they weren't thinking and were reacting wouldn't the natural reaction be to turn the opposite direction of the roll? Difficult to praise the pilots here for saving the aircraft since their poor judgement regarding proactive weather guidance and their inexplicable control inputs put them in the peril they had to recover from.
I was also waiting for an explanation of why they increased the bank angle. I suspect that under stress they may have mistook the horizon line on the AI for the wing position
The pilots blew this big time. They flew like students. All you can do in SEVERE turbluance is keep the wings as level as possible, reduce airspeed to maneuvering speed and ride the elevator. Have ATC clear a block of airspace. Then FLY! Don't be switching the autopilot on and off trying to get it to save your ignorant ass. And if you go into a dive PULL THE POWER BACK ASAP! It should already be reduced. Sixty six degree diving bank with 3/4's power is so incompetent I have no words. Bigger problems here than software which too many pilots today rely on. And yes I have four decades experience as a pilot so save it!
Pilots and aircraft performed way better than expected! Hope everyone was rewarded! Two weird things: why couldn't the pilots use the onboard weather radar and why were they so focused on the autopilot.
Because they wer incompetent? Because instead of analyzing thier onboard weather radar they chose to get a way out straight from the horses mouth (aka the dispatcher sitting a few hundreed miles away)? Sheesh...
The Pilots did a good job to recover the flight from a dangerous situation with a happy ending. Unfortunately the same can not be said of a similar incident in Brazil where Pilots lost complete control of the aircraft ending in disaster.
You never use radar to go through weather, you use it to AVOID weather. Pathetic that the pilots allowed themselves to get into this situation in the first place.
Jesus. Thought for SURE this was a disaster one. 7,500 ft/m descent rate + 77-degree bank angle?! It really didn't look too promising there for a bit...
The passengers must've thought they'd had it. I would have.
Or thought they were at an amusement park and the latest roller coaster ride...
All people survived. Plane landed without further incident, but I promise you a number of undergarments did NOT survive their own little incidents.
The stores around Newark probably saw a higher demand for underwear after this flight landed. That was intense.
There was only 29 people on board, I wouldn’t imagine it’d be that high, but yeah you’re right
This reminds me of Southern Airways Flt 242, where inadequate and outdated weather information led them directly into a hail storm.
I flew from Birmingham to Atlanta that stormy night, right after learning that 242 had crashed near Atlanta. Not my most relaxed flight.
The good news: you survived. The bad news: You’re in Newark. Bye bye
@@SummitHill79 🤣🤣🤣
That's funny!
Yep, that airport is probably one of the very worst in the USA, filthy dirty, and worn out always. Disgusting place with rude employees too.
@@SummitHill79 well at least they are not in Passiac, rivals Newark in every way possible. Both are beloved garden spots with plenty of fresh air.
The Blacks 😂😂😂
Training or not, the pilots saved the day. Any landing you can walk away from is a good one.
Huh? Plane was banking severely right, and the banked it even more to the right. Kind of a basic skill they got totally wrong.
@@karlinchina Could have been microbursts affecting the stability of the plane.
I completely agree with the OP. As the plane was rapidly losing altitude, some pilots might have pulled it out of its dive too sharply, which can damage the aircraft so badly that it becomes a lawn dart. Well done to this crew.
@@karlinchina And yet many pilots encountering these issues didn't recover killing everyone. These pilots did recover, and there was no loss of life...
@@horseathalt7308 NO, NO, NO, just two people pretending to be pilots.
Excellent as always, Allec.
The obsession with reselecting the autopilot puzzles me.. I've been through similar weather on several occasions, especially in the tropics..The A/P creates a separation between the forces acting on the aircraft and the pilot, the fact that it was repeatedly disconnecting was a clear indication that the forces were such that it could not safely do its job.. Hands-on control gives all the feedback directly to the flight crew. The air at that altitude is extremely thin, any upset will result in a massive departure from controlled flight.
Pilot: "I don't know what to do now! Autopilot, save me!"
@@timonsolus - It's not about the autopilot "saving" them - in an emergency it's perfectly OK to use the autopilot once the aircraft is stabilised in order for the crew to focus on assessing the situation and planning next steps. Here they tried to re-engage it too early, but they'd have known that the autopilot couldn't fly a recovery for them. Note that the Captain had 10,000 flying hours - they almost certainly had the experience to know the basics and then some, but an upset like that can shake anyone up.
I love the music....don't change.
Thanks Allec, for an edge of my seat depiction of this event.
It seemed that recovery was not easy or assured. Thanks pilots for not giving up.
That was one helluva ride. Most situations like this doomed the flights but these guys did a great job bringing it in.
They did a terrible job by not flying the airplane. NO EXCUSES!
As a fellow Canadian I'm going to defend the dispatcher's misreading of the storm location on too many Tim Horton's coffee & donuts on the job...& also probably speaking in metric eh!
The air traffic controller was in Canada but the airline dispatcher would be based in the states.
I love me some Tim Horton's coffee
It was a company dispatcher's error not Toronto Area Control's mistake.
Take it easy on we Canadians !
I’ve been on the United Embraer a lot the past few years. I love ‘em! Great planes! But this would have scared the shit out of me!
I am surprised the aircraft was not severely damaged from the stress. I also wonder about the stress on the passengers and crew. If I had been on that flight, that may well have been my last flight on any aircraft. The pilots kept their cool and saved everyone.
Pilots screwed it up. It was banking right and they banked more to the right. Did you miss that part?
@@karlinchina No, I didn't miss that part. Can you contribute to the discussion by providing an explanation for why you think they banked more to the right? They obviously corrected their mistake as the aircraft did not smash into the ground at the speed of sound after disintegrating in midair as it plunged straight down.
@@roberthagedorn290 I'm thinking in a panic they misread the artificial horizon as banking left rather than right.
@@nighttrain1236 Thank you! I agree.
@nighttrain1236 they were disoriented from the turbulence. So, they felt like they were banking left. But they were banking right.
Well done pilots.
Well done Embraer.
My empathy with the terrified passengers.
Great stuff, thanks as always. You don't need a hull loss to learn something invaluable.
Agreed. I'm not a fan of United, but I don't think this suggests a failure of safety culture.
Yay!! A midnight treat from Allec. Thank you!
He always uploads at 12 PM GMT+8 timezone.
It's afternoon for me
@@KyoushaPumpItUp could confirm
@@KyoushaPumpItUp didn't realize that, thanks.
The Embraer 145 is the best plane I’ve ever flown. The systems are really well thought out, mx resets are super easy, and it’s a tank. I’ve flown Falcon 900’s, Lear 20 series, 737, and emb 145. There could be better stuff out there, but amongst those, the embraer is the one for me.
One thing I did after getting my private pilots licence (I am not commercial and have never flown jets) was to complete a emergency manoeuvre training program in a Pitts. It was great and really taught you to be on top of where the power setting was. It looked like the pilots waited a while before reducing power which would have resulted in more speed in the dive. I could be wrong but as a new pilot learning how to recover from fully developed spins (albeit not in IMC) was invaluable.
Glad this one had a positive outcome. Thanks Allec (I mean Capt. Ibay)! 😃
Thank goodness the pilots were able to bring the plane back under control and land safely.
Yes, a surprise treat. Thank you Allec.
Very clear explanation in this video!
Amazing pilots and the aircraft they were flying!
I was waiting for signs of in flight breakup occurring but thankfully the pilots regained control before that happened!
Code BROWN for BOTH of the pilots!!!
I did not expect an incident involving a 7,500 fpm descent to turn out okay in the end.
Those passenger got the ride of their life that day.
In this Case Altitude is your insurance or your bank account. If you dont have any altitude left you are in big trouble.
The pilots did a great job! They knew what they were doing and everyone on board made it safe and sound! Bravo to a great crew in the cockpit!🙂🙂🛫🛫🛫🛫💯💯💯
I like how you make these videos on the anniversary of the incidents. Nice work.
Always so satisfying when we see the plane come in for a landing at the end, I usually say out loud "Yes! They made it!!!" Lol
What a scary experience
Imagine being a passenger and never realizing you will be on one of Allec's videos
Excellent case study!
In the blue, power through. In the brown, power down.
and if the pants are brown...?
Congratulations to the pilots, even with their mistakes,they were able to save the passengers lives 😊
"They made a FULL recovery".
Talk about a white-knuckle ride. The pilots did a great job fighting for control.
When I was aviating at FL 370 and needed to get around weather, I talked with the controller, not dispatch. No one knows their airspace better than ARTCC.
Insane this near-disaster wasn’t more well known
It banked right so they pushed it further right?
Yes but everyone is saying they did a great job, somehow.
@@karlinchina Because they landed safely...?
A change of shorts would be in order after this!
The skill of the Pilots Flying , saved the day here .🙂👍
The incompetence of the Pilots Flying, got them into an unnecessary situation where they needed to save the day. If they had been competent, they wouldn't flown into a huge thunderstorm in the first place.
@@timonsolus Whatever you say Captain America
@@timonsolus 100% spot on! This crews displayed a whopping incompetence as pilots.
I hope the cleaning crew got a bonus for that job!!
The pilots did an outstanding job recovering the aircraft, and the aircraft did an outstanding job staying together. I've flown in and around thunderstorms and it's always interesting, but NEVER was it anything like that!
When I saw "severe icing" I thought they were goners. Better late recovery than never!
Fly the airplane (if you remember that part). Quit screwing with the autopilot!!
Exactly. Repeated disengages of the autopilot system indicate either A) autopilot system malfunction or B) aircraft currently operating at/in parameters outside of autopilot programming. In any case if the autopilot won’t engage, QUIT SCREWING WITH IT!! Just hand fly. You’re in an RJ on a flight from KGRR to KEWR, not a freaking 12-14 hr ETOPS trip!!!! Is it that hard to HAND FLY your aircraft???? Seriously, WTF???
Autopilot may know something you don’t.
When the pilots had control, they made it worse. At least autopilot doesn't bank to the right when the plane is already banking 63 degrees to the right.
Not much skill on that flight deck. What was their planned FL? Did they over climb the airplane to get on top? Severe icing at high altitude? Calling Dispatch for CB avoidance? Don’t know how to use weather radar on the airplane? Try to recover by turning the autopilot on? Scary!
I wonder if the pilots were spatially disoriented and needed auto pilot to help them right the plane.
Rumor has it that after the landing 26 people vowed to go Greyhound the next time.
"The aircraft pitches down and rolls to the right." Then the pilots increase power and bank to the right. I'm not a pilot but that is sure to worsen the situation. At 4:42: "The pilots bank to the right, increasing the bank..." What kind of idiocy is this? Great video as usual Allec.
passengers were provided with free clean underware
Toronto ATC should’ve routed all aircraft around that weather. US air traffic control does this when severe weather occurs.
Pleasantly surprised that the pilots were not instinctively blamed. Did the company dispatch knowingly misuse the company software (my guess is no)? I, too, would like to know if NDT techniques (ultrasonic, eddy current, etc) were used to inspect the airframe after this incident because I would not trust this particular airplane unless it's thoroughly checked out.
Their lucky the airframe didt fold up
7000fpm decent
In my totally unqualified opinion, expecting the pilots to anticipate a sudden change in the weather is a bit harsh. The situation deteriorated very quickly, and it sounds like they asked for assistance as soon as possible. The radar system used by the dispatcher seems to have made things worse by minimizing the size of the storm.
I get where you're coming from, but it's incumbent on the pilots to, before takeoff, check for any SIGMET reports, plan for going around any bad weather along the flight path, and make preparations for diverting to another airfield if necessary. You never fly into thunderstorms.
@@stargazer5784 Understood, but this still sounds like a situation where acceptable weather became unacceptable very quickly.
In far too many of these events, we see the pilots wasting valuable time to decrease power whether in flight or on landing. I'd be instinctively backing off on it immediately. Maybe that was in my training at some point, though I don't recall. Even in a car, when things start going south, back off the throttle immediately!
The question you have to ask yourself is, "Do I feel lucky?"
Why do they call you dirty, Harry?
Was the aircraft structure damaged?
The Captain is in charge of navigation, not the dispatcher. Also, why was the power not reduced earlier once they had an excessive descent rate? Why did they repeatedly try to re-engage the autopilot? They should have been flying manually in those conditions.
That the Canadian cigar tube? The plane with one seat that goes into the aisle? I sat in that seat. Terribly cramped
It's a Brazilian Embraer, not a Bombardier Challenger.
There's your problem. The pilots should have already been aware of the thunderstorms via a SIGMET report or through one of several other readily obtainable online resources. There's even a phone number that pilots can call to get current meteorological information. Never contact a dispatcher when danger seems imminent. The pilots should have contacted the nearest ARTCC personnel upon seeing the thunderstorms and simply told them that they were in danger of getting boxed in. They are much more highly trained and would be looking at a much better and more comprehensive radar image of the airspace. They could have then vectored them to completely avoid the weather, given them reports from other pilots in the area, and provided flight following until they were out of danger. Flying into IMC is sometimes unavoidable, but you never ever fly into thunderstorms, ever. The pilots did a great job of saving the aircraft, but they shouldn't have gotten in to those dangerous conditions to begin with.
out of curiosity, have you ever done a video on the crash of Hendrick Motorsports N501RH in 2004?
Flying VFR? Why in the world?
And some people pay to go on amusement park rides!!!
Grand Rapids to Newark. That's new or maybe I'm getting old. For decades all these regional airports fed into DTW or maybe MSP.
I was going to write RIP ;D
The pilots got them out of it, but why add right input when in an excessive right bank? They should have pulled up when in the runaway descent and pulled back on the throttle earlier.
You say pilot pitched to the right when the plane was already banked too far right. Are you sure the pilot did that, or did the plane pitch to the right which is different?
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Those were the times.. Were you had super experienced crews even at the regional level.. Mainly because of limited and also corrupt hiring (eg nepotism, who you know etc) at the mainline. You'd be lucky now if the ca had more than 3k and fo more than 1k.
I just breathed a prayer of thanks. Great effort by pilots.
Cool
Hi Allec, I like your videos and apreciate the work you do but I think you should find another platform for the videos. UA-cam is getting worse and worse, too much advertising and deleting comments.
Totally incompetent pilots imho...
Just to ensure that I got that right: The pilots contacted their dispatch (?!?) for a routing around or out of the weahter ahead???
Sheesh - where has basic airmanship gone?
Don't they have an onboard weather radar? Don't they know how to use it?
A sure fire way to spot an incompetent pilot / crew ist the repeated attempt to engage the autopilot. Don't they know that autopilots switch themselves off if parameters are too far out of their 'envelope'?
Well - and forive my frenchs - but people like this 'crew' have nothing lost in a cockpit. Period.
More and more we see not aviators in cockpits but mere systems managers without a clue about airmansip.
The industry truly is in a sad state...
If they were "totally incompetent" they would have crashed.
@@mph1ish That's a pretty low bar right there... Because it was pure luck that they didn't...
The pilots saved everyone's life that day.
After screwing it up totally? Plane was banking to the right, so they banked it more to the right. Great job.
You’re in a 65 degree bank, descending at 7000 fpm. Gee, let’s see what the autopilot will do
Captain with 10,000 hours still flying regionals? Why? And VFR.
So twice the pilots turned the plane deeper into a critical and excessive bank to the right? Why? What were they thinking? Even if they weren't thinking and were reacting wouldn't the natural reaction be to turn the opposite direction of the roll? Difficult to praise the pilots here for saving the aircraft since their poor judgement regarding proactive weather guidance and their inexplicable control inputs put them in the peril they had to recover from.
I was also waiting for an explanation of why they increased the bank angle. I suspect that under stress they may have mistook the horizon line on the AI for the wing position
Why did they continue banking to the right ?
Amateur pilots with poor WX planning skills. Also, why would their dispatch give them vectors to fly around storms? Wouldn't ATC be doing that???
Exactly. 2 clowns 🤡 up front 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
'Flying Tiger Flight 66 " please make the video ❤❤❤❤
Sounds scary AF but the pilots did a good job all things considered
The pilots blew this big time. They flew like students. All you can do in SEVERE turbluance is keep the wings as level as possible, reduce airspeed to maneuvering speed and ride the elevator. Have ATC clear a block of airspace. Then FLY! Don't be switching the autopilot on and off trying to get it to save your ignorant ass.
And if you go into a dive PULL THE POWER BACK ASAP! It should already be reduced. Sixty six degree diving bank with 3/4's power is so incompetent I have no words.
Bigger problems here than software which too many pilots today rely on. And yes I have four decades experience as a pilot so save it!
Where is anandguju83? LOL The bot...that posts the title of the video every time?
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This incident does not inspire confidence
Pilots and aircraft performed way better than expected! Hope everyone was rewarded!
Two weird things: why couldn't the pilots use the onboard weather radar and why were they so focused on the autopilot.
Because they wer incompetent? Because instead of analyzing thier onboard weather radar they chose to get a way out straight from the horses mouth (aka the dispatcher sitting a few hundreed miles away)?
Sheesh...
WoW!! Great job, guys. 👏👏👏👏👏
The Pilots did a good job to recover the flight from a dangerous situation with a happy ending. Unfortunately the same can not be said of a similar incident in Brazil where Pilots lost complete control of the aircraft ending in disaster.
The pilots were lucky, not good. If they were good, they wouldn't have flown into that thunderstorm at all.
Or how bout actually flying planes instead of relying on auto pilot to bail you out which these pilots already had....
You never use radar to go through weather, you use it to AVOID weather. Pathetic that the pilots allowed themselves to get into this situation in the first place.
2nd UwU
Eww
@@Randomly_Browsinguwu isnt even that bad vro
let me guess you also hate lgbt and furriew
@@ultranav0 why should I?
3rd
Ill take those pilots any day...
1st!
And?
Congratulations !
this is why I avoid flying as much as possible
B O R I N G !!!!!!!..
Bye!!!
G R O W U P!
Jesus. Thought for SURE this was a disaster one.
7,500 ft/m descent rate + 77-degree bank angle?!
It really didn't look too promising there for a bit...
Why are you telling Jesus? He already knows.