I went from the D850 to Z8.All those differences you mentioned i experienced as well. I did some research on the camera and i knew of the differences.Not issues. I loved my D850. Z8 blows it away.
@@knoxyish If skyscapes says it blows the 850 away, it blows the 850 away. If it doesn't blow the 850 away for you, it doesn't for you. We are all free to like the camera we like... the way we like it!
@@knoxyish It blows it away in such a way that you cant even compare them together. D850 was a great DSLR but Z8 is not a step up, but a completly new world. Try and you will see 😁
OMG! You got a lens with a bigger front element and complained about needing larger filters. You got a camera without a mechanical shutter and complained about the (configurable!) electronic shutter sound? Really? Try reading the manual! It's not easy to master a modern pro camera body but the sooner you start the earlier you'll succeed!
Yes, larger front element on a lens (24-70 f2.8) that from the beginning of time was 77mm. The electronic shutter can be set to a different volume or to ‘off’. Can’t configure it much more than that. No options on different sounds. If the engineers at Mazda could spend 2 years getting the exhaust note in a Miata right then the engineers at Nikon could have come up with something less anemic for a shutter sound in far less time. And if you watched to the end of the video, you would have heard me say, ‘I guess I’ll have to read the (online only; no printed version) manual.’
Custom camera sounds (shutter, focus acquired, etc.) would be definitely nice to have. Is any brand offering it already? Personally, I would prefer other improvements, e.g., accurate histograms for raw images, not the misleading embedded JPG histograms that all brands currently display.
@@venietvideo Oh yes. I have been burned so many times by the misleading histograms. And you just reminded me (thank you very much) to set my highlight warning to the R channel rather than the G channel that is set by default. Before I did that I would clip far too many skin tones, especially for pasty people such as myself. *edit* Looks like you can't set the RGB histogram to show a single channel like you could in the d500 or d810. I wonder why.
@leep5113 you must have missed the part where I said, “but I also brought a dSLR backup and shot with it.” C’mon, I’m crazy but not that crazy. Oh, and the manual? 948 pages. AND, it turns out you can’t (for instance) set the highlight warning to show just the red channel (like you can in every other Nikon dSLR I have ever owned). This camera isn’t perfect and it’s going to take some getting used to. The purpose of the video was to show that there is more to a new camera than simply picking it up, no matter how many versions of the same camera you may have owned previously. I have been shooting professionally for more than 20 years. I’m not going to let a new piece of equipment mess anything up too badly, trust me.
Hi, welcome to the Z cameras. I appreciate your dislike of the generated "shutter" sounds. I was an early adopter of the Z system, starting with the original Z7. A year and a half ago I bought a Z9 and I have been loving it. I prefer to shoot my Z9 with no sound in most cases. I don't need to hear a sound to know I have made an exposure. You will come to appreciate the visual cues in the viewfinder. The only exception to shooting silently, is when I am photographing portraits in natural or constant light. The click is the subject's clue that they can give me a different look. I don't even bother turning it on if I am shooting flash. BTW, turn off the sound in the setup menu - camera sounds. Don't use the silent mode right below the camera sounds control. if you select that, Nikon left that in as a legacy from DSLRs for some reason, and it will shut down triggering of flash. Anyway, the learning curve is a bit daunting foe the Z cameras in general and for the Z8 and Z9 in particular, but it will well worth it. Cheers.
I have the Z8 since the end of May now. What annoys me the most is that the camera isn't really compatible with most studio flashes when using HSS. My portable flashes (Rollei HS Freeze 6 and 6s) don't really sync with the strobing flashes so that you can see the electronic shutter and/or banding on each photo. That extremely limits my creativity when it comes to flash photography.
I have the same issue with the GFX 50r and my Profotos when shooting at the max synch speed (not even HSS). I'll check it out with the Z8 and see what I can come up with. There are a few things about the Z8 that I find annoying. Next video will be a list of them along with a review.
Cmon man, all those things you mentioned are basic research BEFORE you buy a NEW camera!! I honestly don't think your points are valid and, it seems you're trying to bash the camera. Let me ask you, if have an older car.. say 5-10 years old and your buying a new car, wouldn't you research the new car for all details.. maybeeven test drive? Same principle applies here.. New camera = new accessories, possibly new lenses, new lenses = possibly new filters, new storage cards, maybe even a new computer.. that's why you RESEARCH! cmon now.
You may have a point. But my research was somewhat limited as I was asked, “you want the camera? Yes or no?” This opportunity came out of nowhere and I didn’t have a lot of time to consider. AND, where was I going to research? Ken Rockwell? Thom Hogan? (He, actually, is someone I would pay attention to) That said, after shooting a few jobs and after reading the entire 948-page manual (yes, I did) have some legitimate (in my mind) beefs about this camera. Spoiler alert: one of them is the absolutely hopeless shutter sound. The other issues will be detailed in a forthcoming video, but in the next video I do need to have a bit more context. Between my d500 and my d810 I shot 350,000 frames, let alone what I shot with the d200, the d300 and the d3x… d70… I know Nikon cameras and the z8 is far from perfect. Not that a perfect camera exists…
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Absolutely true. There is NO perfect camera. I guess perhaps what comes closest to a "perfect " camera is the one you like. I have a D800 and D810. Just traded my D800 for the Z8. My first mirrorless . Yes, I did my research and had to get purchase extra accessories and the adapter so I can use my glass. For now I just bought the 20mm S lens for astrophotography lol. Seems like the future is Mirrorless but, I still love my 810 and the photos it produces.
@@ecobooster8298 I was thinking about the z8, and before that when I got my d500, my d810 and the d3x among others... And every camera has a strange learning curve where the photos look pretty awful at the beginning and as I used the camera they get more and more like how I want them to look. It's possible the camera is changing, but it's also possible I'm just getting used to how it works and I get a sense as to what works, and what doesn't work and how far I can push (or not push) things. Experience is the ultimate test, of course. Some cameras I really bond with (Pentax 67, strangely) and some I just don't (Mamiya 6, also strangely). For digital cameras I love my Fuji much more than I loved any of my Hasselblad digital backs, for sure. No idea why... Thanks for the comments - good luck with that 20mm lens. I have one, too.
Love the honesty! I jumped ship from Nikon to Canon, can you imagine those changes! A month in, I'm still looking for basics, setting the volume, stand by timers, metering control, auto ISO.....
When i got my first mirrorless (eos R) a few years ago my d850 friend made fun of my wimpy shutter sound, i told him at least i hear my shutter all he hears is a mirror slapping around
Ha! I'll have to shoot more in order to figure that out. But seriously, I have shot, what... 4 or 5 jobs so far and they look pretty good. Not a big jump from the 810 or the 500 in terms of colour and I will say that having the new lenses is nice - they're tack-sharp (maybe too sharp) and rather lightweight compared to what I'm used to. So far, so good, but the real test will come when I shoot in challenging lighting conditions - that's always where cameras show their best or their worst.
I was interested in this video but I have to say, I'm a bit flummoxed. Someone wearing a Rolex Submariner in a video like this complaining about the follow up cost of switching to what amounts to basically a new system? That's ... interesting. Also, some really weird assumptions - there is ONLY an electronic shutter on this camera. You WILL get artifacts in specific conditions. The Z8 plain doesn't have a mechanical shutter. Maybe this video should have said "I should have thought about it before switching to a new camera" - there seems to be nothing that the camera is actually responsible for to create your frustration. It really seems to come solely from lack of thinking something through ... That would have been a more honest title for the video.
I’m still sticking to my comment that the shutter sound is a very important aspect of a camera regardless of whether or not it’s mechanical. And the Sub cost a lot less than the camera did - I think I can complain about $1000 in additional costs while wearing a wristwatch I bought a decade ago, which is from 1991. Good catch in identifying it, by the way. As for the title, guilty as charged. It’s pretty click-baiting and I don’t think we will do that again in the future. It sure brought out the comments and the views, though. I plan to do a real review of the camera soon. Just need to put a few hundred more frames through it and bone up on the 948(!!) page manual.
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird - okay, that was hard to see. The Sub hasn't changed much in decades, and size is impossible to gauge in a video. Nice watch btw. I understand the frustration, but I'm also sick and tired of clickbait UA-cam titles, too many here as it is. I've also have gone through the frustrations of going mirrorless twice - once from Canon to Fujifilm and then, because I hadn't learned my lesson either, to Nikon Z when the first ones came out. I'm generally not unhappy with the system, so I'll be looking forward to a real review of the Z8. I'm still on a Z6/Z7 II. So, good luck with your Nikon Z journey, it's a good system, not perfect, but no system is. I'll likely stick to it for the next decade or so.
I expect I will sell them off. I don't see myself going back to the DSLRs any time soon, I don't think. If, for no other reason except that they're getting a bit old. 204,000 frames on the d500 and 149,000 frames on the d810.
Had a D850, and bought filters to use with my largest 82mm lens thread, then have step down rings, no issues, the batteries I had were 15c . I bought a z8, no issues with lenses, via adapter, download PDF for manual onto phone no issues, photoshop updated camera profiles no issues.
There's is no shutter sound.. it's not real... Just don't use it.. After watching this I just have to say it's like your whining like a lil baby. IT'S NEW GEESH
Welcome back to Lightroom btw haha.. I also bought a perpetual license for capture one only to realise it’s outdated and year later! 😡 I also have to sit down and figure out how to save battery by having the lcd off when not in use, mucked around the options and it was getting the evf off or the other way round lol
Ha! Not sure if I can handle re-learning Lightroom. Might have to just suffer with Capture One and pay the $$. As for the LCD, I have to do the same thing, but it's hard to figure out which mode does what you want - there are so many!
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird hey! The new firmware update today offers choice of shutter sounds! My favourite is the hasselblad leaf shutter one (the second last option) 😁
My migration to the Z system has started with the Z50, now with the Z5, and planning to get the Z9. My main DSLR shooter is the D500 which I will never get rid of. The Z system takes a bit of getting used to. I hear the same growing pains from people who have gone to the Z8/mirrorless from the F body without having done a progression through the lower-spec Z bodies and taking time to learn the Z system.
That shutter sound is a little off to me as well. But even if the shutter sound mimicked the Nikon F3, it still wouldn’t be right because there’s no tactile or haptic feedback of that mirror moving. I guess this is just where cameras are heading. The Z8’s shutter is a little more sophicated than people give it credit for though. For instance, take a 1-second exposure and you’ll hear that it’s actually a 2-part sound. So after training your ear by hearing the long shutter, it makes the faster shutter sound less of a static click, and more of a 2-part…………static click. OK, so it’s still a static click but it’s different. Try it and tell me what you think. LOL
Talk about growing pains, wait until you see the manual! Over 800 pages! I haven't really done much photography for a number of years. I set up a D-90 then a D-750 for my wife to use. I used it a few times on trips, but it was her camera. We have retired and I decided it was time to get back to photography, but I wanted my own and wanted to go mirrorless. Since we have Nikon, I decided on the Z8. I have only had it about a week and spent a few hours watching setup videos and looking a the manual, then going through the menu. I have just started playing around with it and poked around a bit and changed my profile, ok menu bank, from A to C without realizing it. Now I am looking and wondering why I am shooting JPG and went back through the menu and seeing all the settings were back to factory. I finally saw the change from A to C and put it back. So, the learning curve, at least for me, is going to be like Mt. Everest! It will take me quite a bit of time to get comfortable, especially since the weather is going to be down into the single digits here in the Southeast. I will also have to bread down and get a flash, something I haven't used since my film days. So, I feel your pain and the struggle is real.
I have also been debating going into the Z line from a D500. Battery life alone has stopped several late at night 'pay now' button clicks. Glad to get some clarity on some of the other little things that would push this from few dollars of unplanned expenses to a significant budget deficit.
Change always requires some adjustment. Such is a fact of life. One doesn't have to like it but adults, especially professional photographers, need to accept such and get on.... Stop winning and read the bloody manual...you will be a better version of yourself for the effort.
40 years ago I was thinking which system to get into, Nion or Canon. I tried Nikon and found the menu was horrible.. So I went the Cannon way... 40 years later Nikon still making those horrible menus...
I love your rant. I shot with D750s for several years. I love Nikon, but didn’t think the Z6 was good enough to switch to mirrorless. I didn’t want to just toss my investment in Nikon, so I patiently waited. Then the ZF was released. I love this camera. Great shutter sound, BTW. First thing I discovered was that my godox flashes weren’t working in TTL mode. It required some IT gymnastics and a new usb-A micro cord to update the firmware. I have the same tether issue as well. I’ll get a new cord eventually. Don’t shoot tethered enough to replace it right away. My G1 Tamron lenses were iffy with the FTZ adapter, so I replaced those. And my extra 3rd party batteries, which I kept as backups do not work with the new ZF, so had to get a new backup. Good luck with the z8! I would love to find someone willing to sell me theirs for a song.
I respect different viewpoints and perspectives. However, this seems a VERY SHALLOW list of petty complaints that have nearly nothing to do with the specific camera.
In this video - quite possibly you're right. You're welcome to watch our next video where I do get into some rather specific complaints about the z8. RGB histogram, anyone?
Z8 is my first serious camera, before this i had a z6 which i still have but i just love the way the z8 feels in my hands. Z6 is a lot smaller and at times it gets painful. I have a cage on the z8 and the grip is just sublime! Its an absolute delight to grip this camera. This camera has brought some serious changes in my workflow. I now edit videos right off the cf express card. Dont want to fill up my hard drives on daily basis🤪
@@ronaldcphotography i have a lexar cfexpress type b card reader, they are fast enough. I use it as an external storage device. For some quick instagram reels i dont need to copy the data on to my pc, i edit and colour them directly off the card. Recently i had ordered a 1TB cf express card and i guess this is going to become a regular practice now.
I see a lot of cameras being blown away and floating in the air. Lets get some context. A few yrs back I was craving to get the D5 and I had my 300 f2.8 for wildlife with TC's. The the D850 came along and I bought it for at the time a massive price. I had young and old wildlife photographers with lesser gear in envy. 5 yrs later, people still shoot the D5 and D850 others mover on to Z9/8 and new Z mount lenses. Those who aspired to the D5 and D850 now buy these cameras at bargain prices. They produce fantastic images, them might not have the speed or the eye detection of other stuff, but man the IQ remains fantastic. So I can buy a D850 with a 300 f2.8 vr with TC 1.4iii used in top condition for 40% of the price of a Z8 with the new 400 f4.5. So we sit in a hide or somewhere here in Africa and both photograph a pride of lions or Cheetah hunt etc. we get home, process and print our images. and the differance in IQ ?? Depends on the skill of the photographer yes but both are crazy sharp lenses, both bodies have the mp files, the D850 might require the photographer to use more skill focusing on the eye. So who blows away who? This constant, Z blows away A or C or F? really?
I think you're right in many ways. The z8 does not deliver better images than my d500. The photos still look like they were taken by me - and that is a good or a bad thing, depending on how you want to look at it.
i sold my d850 for a z6 ,,,,,,,,, then i sold the z6 an bought another d850 its more hype you really think sony will make better cameras than a company that is a camera maker with nikons pedigree ?? i have a d4s as well the mirror less thing really is over hyped .
I’m sorry but these aren’t problems with the Z8, all these problems could be avoided if you did your research before buying the camera and it’s pretty obvious that you didn’t do your due diligence before going to your shoot 💀.. sorry mate but I think you might have to rename your video tittle
I didn’t show up to that shoot with only one camera. I’m dumb, but not that dumb. Watch the next video on the z8. Lots of (in my mind) legitimate issues with the camera. I’m used to it, but it’s by no means perfect.
I recently rented a Z8 to take photos at an airshow for the 20fps. Despite watching numerous setup videos, I only had a day to practice with the camera before the airshow. I brought my D850 batteries (2), plus the battery that came with the Z8 rental. However, even with three batteries, they ran out with 30+ minutes left of the Blue Angels performance. To my disappointment, when reviewing the photos, they didn't match the consistency of previous airshow photos taken with my D850. Lesson learned: shooting with a mirrorless camera is not the same as a DSLR, and ample spare batteries are a must.
Soooo the camera works great but your moaning because you impulse bought the camera without looking into what you need to make it fit with how you work.
Did you see our next video on the z8? The one where I have (I think) a bunch of legitimate beefs with the camera? I think with the latest firmware update and me getting used to (and ignoring and learning to live with) the quirks of the camera, it's a better fit for me now. There is still no way to set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel, though. And I still randomly get focus peaking when I put the 20mm lens on. The z6iii feels more sorted, but it has its own set of issues.
Filming video on a Z camera vs a d850 is night and day! But agreed the shutter sound is BRUTAL on z cameras. There are a couple on Z9 that are not bad, but the correct move would have been and still continues to be to release a TON of historical DSLR nikon shutter slaps and let people nostalgia out and pick the one they like. That is the move. Still hoping for it.
i dont shoot video doe sent interest me stills does so why would i want jack off all trades master of none camera? if i shot video id buy a real video camera
You are really getting roasted in these comments? I find the outspoken level of dismissiveness to be surprisingly funny because other youtubers have dogged the Z8/Z9 as well, and were not dragged this badly. Maybe it's just you, bro. What did you to the people to make them so prickly towards your video? LOL. BTW, the Z8 is quite spectacular.
Yeah, this video touched a few nerves. We did a follow-up where I went through even more issues I had with the z8 (after shooting with it for a while) and that had fewer people complaining to me because, well, I could actually point to the camera set up and say what my problems were. Still shooting with the z8, still love the GFX 50sii more but the z8 does the job for many things.
And the Nikon fanboys actually stopped watching and just downvoted. Nikon fanboys really are the most insufferable people in the entire photography world.
There are some helpful comments, for sure. And some unhelpful ones. And of the 63 videos we have done not a single one has less than about 90% likes... Except for the 2 videos we did on the z8 (like 60% and 75%, I think?). The worst thing is that I have now found that the z8, unlike the d500 and the d810 will not allow you to view the red channel in the highlights clipping window. Which means that you get to overexpose the red channel in your photos while believing that the image isn't overexposed. I did it today, I did. I'm going to do a video on that, too - and that's a major flaw in this camera. Like MAJOR flaw. The Nikon community might not like it very much...
Check out our other z8 video. That’s where I list all the shortcomings of the z8. Can you set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel like the d500 and the d810? Nope…
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Casey from Camera Conspiracies makes this rant about every camera. Thus, every camera has shortcomings. How about teaching how to overcome certain shortcomings to make it stronger rather than being a contrarian about them, or just buy the perfect camera. I love my Z8, and I loved my Fuji XT 4 and the XH2. I love the Z8 most, but its biggest shortcoming is its weight and size, but that's all relevant to full frame vs. APC now, isn't it. Nikon has an awesome lens line up that won't break the bank, and the Z9, Z8, Z6 III, and the retro ZF cameras are fairly priced for what they each bring to the table. There is the Canon R5 II and various Sony Camera's up for grabs, each with their own shortcomings.
@@technodronesogxl9783 We can agree there is no perfect camera - and goodness knows I have bought more than my fair share of cameras looking for it. As described in the next video we did on the z8, here is one MAJOR shortcoming, where I'm scratching my head with Nikon. That's where they took away the ability (on at least the D3x, D500, D800 and D810 among many others) to set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel (or the green or the blue, if you're so inclined) This was a feature of the camera I relied on greatly, as I do a lot of portraiture and red highlights clip first and when they do, they're really hard to recover. In the z8, the highlight warning is set to the green histogram, which not only clips last but also has twice the photo sites of red or blue. (Bayer pattern array). I have gone through the entire 948 page manual and no luck. The z8 is a great camera - I love it. Like every camera it's hardly perfect and flawed in its own way. However, in this one issue it has regressed greatly from previous models and I would love to know the reason why. If I were to just fawn all over the z8 then my review wouldn't be of much interest - and to your suggestion I tell people how to work around this issue - my only suggestion would be to bone up on your metering and make sure you're not clipping, no matter what the gamut warning tells you. I'll still shoot with the z8 and now that I know about the different compression algorithms, I might just sell my z6iii and buy another z8 - that's how much I like it. I guess we'll all have to keep digging for that perfect camera.
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I went from the D850 to Z8.All those differences you mentioned i experienced as well.
I did some research on the camera and i knew of the differences.Not issues.
I loved my D850.
Z8 blows it away.
i dought that . but still kid your self with the hype .
@@knoxyish If skyscapes says it blows the 850 away, it blows the 850 away. If it doesn't blow the 850 away for you, it doesn't for you.
We are all free to like the camera we like... the way we like it!
My new Z8 blows away my D810. Of course, D810 is still a great camera and makes great images, mirrorless is just way better in so many ways.
@@knoxyish It blows it away in such a way that you cant even compare them together.
D850 was a great DSLR but Z8 is not a step up, but a completly new world.
Try and you will see 😁
I have both and it isnt even a fair comparison because you cant put them in the same sentence. Z8 is another dimension.
Wtf? Nothing he said has anything to do with the z8. He should name the video…I forget stuff and sometime need to buy stuff.
OMG! You got a lens with a bigger front element and complained about needing larger filters. You got a camera without a mechanical shutter and complained about the (configurable!) electronic shutter sound? Really? Try reading the manual! It's not easy to master a modern pro camera body but the sooner you start the earlier you'll succeed!
Yes, larger front element on a lens (24-70 f2.8) that from the beginning of time was 77mm. The electronic shutter can be set to a different volume or to ‘off’. Can’t configure it much more than that. No options on different sounds. If the engineers at Mazda could spend 2 years getting the exhaust note in a Miata right then the engineers at Nikon could have come up with something less anemic for a shutter sound in far less time. And if you watched to the end of the video, you would have heard me say, ‘I guess I’ll have to read the (online only; no printed version) manual.’
Custom camera sounds (shutter, focus acquired, etc.) would be definitely nice to have. Is any brand offering it already?
Personally, I would prefer other improvements, e.g., accurate histograms for raw images, not the misleading embedded JPG histograms that all brands currently display.
@@venietvideo Oh yes. I have been burned so many times by the misleading histograms. And you just reminded me (thank you very much) to set my highlight warning to the R channel rather than the G channel that is set by default. Before I did that I would clip far too many skin tones, especially for pasty people such as myself.
*edit* Looks like you can't set the RGB histogram to show a single channel like you could in the d500 or d810. I wonder why.
Chill, dude
@leep5113 you must have missed the part where I said, “but I also brought a dSLR backup and shot with it.” C’mon, I’m crazy but not that crazy. Oh, and the manual? 948 pages. AND, it turns out you can’t (for instance) set the highlight warning to show just the red channel (like you can in every other Nikon dSLR I have ever owned). This camera isn’t perfect and it’s going to take some getting used to. The purpose of the video was to show that there is more to a new camera than simply picking it up, no matter how many versions of the same camera you may have owned previously. I have been shooting professionally for more than 20 years. I’m not going to let a new piece of equipment mess anything up too badly, trust me.
Sorry for your friend going to Sony... Your gain though.
That’s kinda what I think. But we shall see. He might ask for it all back in six months.
Hi, welcome to the Z cameras. I appreciate your dislike of the generated "shutter" sounds. I was an early adopter of the Z system, starting with the original Z7. A year and a half ago I bought a Z9 and I have been loving it. I prefer to shoot my Z9 with no sound in most cases. I don't need to hear a sound to know I have made an exposure. You will come to appreciate the visual cues in the viewfinder. The only exception to shooting silently, is when I am photographing portraits in natural or constant light. The click is the subject's clue that they can give me a different look. I don't even bother turning it on if I am shooting flash. BTW, turn off the sound in the setup menu - camera sounds. Don't use the silent mode right below the camera sounds control. if you select that, Nikon left that in as a legacy from DSLRs for some reason, and it will shut down triggering of flash. Anyway, the learning curve is a bit daunting foe the Z cameras in general and for the Z8 and Z9 in particular, but it will well worth it. Cheers.
I have never seen an orange Nikon cable, What is the Nikon product id on that cable?
Nikon doesn’t make capture cables like that. These are Tethertools cables.
I have the Z8 since the end of May now. What annoys me the most is that the camera isn't really compatible with most studio flashes when using HSS. My portable flashes (Rollei HS Freeze 6 and 6s) don't really sync with the strobing flashes so that you can see the electronic shutter and/or banding on each photo. That extremely limits my creativity when it comes to flash photography.
I have the same issue with the GFX 50r and my Profotos when shooting at the max synch speed (not even HSS). I'll check it out with the Z8 and see what I can come up with. There are a few things about the Z8 that I find annoying. Next video will be a list of them along with a review.
Cmon man, all those things you mentioned are basic research BEFORE you buy a NEW camera!! I honestly don't think your points are valid and, it seems you're trying to bash the camera.
Let me ask you, if have an older car.. say 5-10 years old and your buying a new car, wouldn't you research the new car for all details.. maybeeven test drive? Same principle applies here.. New camera = new accessories, possibly new lenses, new lenses = possibly new filters, new storage cards, maybe even a new computer.. that's why you RESEARCH! cmon now.
You may have a point. But my research was somewhat limited as I was asked, “you want the camera? Yes or no?” This opportunity came out of nowhere and I didn’t have a lot of time to consider. AND, where was I going to research? Ken Rockwell? Thom Hogan? (He, actually, is someone I would pay attention to) That said, after shooting a few jobs and after reading the entire 948-page manual (yes, I did) have some legitimate (in my mind) beefs about this camera. Spoiler alert: one of them is the absolutely hopeless shutter sound. The other issues will be detailed in a forthcoming video, but in the next video I do need to have a bit more context. Between my d500 and my d810 I shot 350,000 frames, let alone what I shot with the d200, the d300 and the d3x… d70… I know Nikon cameras and the z8 is far from perfect. Not that a perfect camera exists…
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Absolutely true. There is NO perfect camera.
I guess perhaps what comes closest to a "perfect " camera is the one you like.
I have a D800 and D810. Just traded my D800 for the Z8. My first mirrorless . Yes, I did my research and had to get purchase extra accessories and the adapter so I can use my glass. For now I just bought the 20mm S lens for astrophotography lol.
Seems like the future is Mirrorless but, I still love my 810 and the photos it produces.
@@ecobooster8298 I was thinking about the z8, and before that when I got my d500, my d810 and the d3x among others... And every camera has a strange learning curve where the photos look pretty awful at the beginning and as I used the camera they get more and more like how I want them to look. It's possible the camera is changing, but it's also possible I'm just getting used to how it works and I get a sense as to what works, and what doesn't work and how far I can push (or not push) things. Experience is the ultimate test, of course. Some cameras I really bond with (Pentax 67, strangely) and some I just don't (Mamiya 6, also strangely). For digital cameras I love my Fuji much more than I loved any of my Hasselblad digital backs, for sure. No idea why... Thanks for the comments - good luck with that 20mm lens. I have one, too.
Love the honesty! I jumped ship from Nikon to Canon, can you imagine those changes! A month in, I'm still looking for basics, setting the volume, stand by timers, metering control, auto ISO.....
When i got my first mirrorless (eos R) a few years ago my d850 friend made fun of my wimpy shutter sound, i told him at least i hear my shutter all he hears is a mirror slapping around
Waiting for the Z6iii to come out so I can “enjoy” stepping up from a D7500😂
I'm definitely interested in the Z6iii as well. I wonder when they'll actually announce it.
Yeah but how do the images look? 😅
Ha! I'll have to shoot more in order to figure that out. But seriously, I have shot, what... 4 or 5 jobs so far and they look pretty good. Not a big jump from the 810 or the 500 in terms of colour and I will say that having the new lenses is nice - they're tack-sharp (maybe too sharp) and rather lightweight compared to what I'm used to. So far, so good, but the real test will come when I shoot in challenging lighting conditions - that's always where cameras show their best or their worst.
I was interested in this video but I have to say, I'm a bit flummoxed. Someone wearing a Rolex Submariner in a video like this complaining about the follow up cost of switching to what amounts to basically a new system? That's ... interesting. Also, some really weird assumptions - there is ONLY an electronic shutter on this camera. You WILL get artifacts in specific conditions. The Z8 plain doesn't have a mechanical shutter.
Maybe this video should have said "I should have thought about it before switching to a new camera" - there seems to be nothing that the camera is actually responsible for to create your frustration. It really seems to come solely from lack of thinking something through ... That would have been a more honest title for the video.
I’m still sticking to my comment that the shutter sound is a very important aspect of a camera regardless of whether or not it’s mechanical. And the Sub cost a lot less than the camera did - I think I can complain about $1000 in additional costs while wearing a wristwatch I bought a decade ago, which is from 1991. Good catch in identifying it, by the way. As for the title, guilty as charged. It’s pretty click-baiting and I don’t think we will do that again in the future. It sure brought out the comments and the views, though. I plan to do a real review of the camera soon. Just need to put a few hundred more frames through it and bone up on the 948(!!) page manual.
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird - okay, that was hard to see. The Sub hasn't changed much in decades, and size is impossible to gauge in a video. Nice watch btw.
I understand the frustration, but I'm also sick and tired of clickbait UA-cam titles, too many here as it is. I've also have gone through the frustrations of going mirrorless twice - once from Canon to Fujifilm and then, because I hadn't learned my lesson either, to Nikon Z when the first ones came out. I'm generally not unhappy with the system, so I'll be looking forward to a real review of the Z8. I'm still on a Z6/Z7 II.
So, good luck with your Nikon Z journey, it's a good system, not perfect, but no system is. I'll likely stick to it for the next decade or so.
Do you think that you'll eventually sell the DSLRs? It's not necessarily an easy choice, of course.
I expect I will sell them off. I don't see myself going back to the DSLRs any time soon, I don't think. If, for no other reason except that they're getting a bit old. 204,000 frames on the d500 and 149,000 frames on the d810.
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird just run in .but still if you can afford to ditch all your f glass for the z mount ....
TO EACH HIS...HER OWN !!!
YOU🫵 ARE YOUR OWN CRITIC !!!
Had a D850, and bought filters to use with my largest 82mm lens thread, then have step down rings, no issues, the batteries I had were 15c . I bought a z8, no issues with lenses, via adapter, download PDF for manual onto phone no issues, photoshop updated camera profiles no issues.
I had to move to 150mm filters £1900 worth of optical ground glass , but the 14-24 was worth keeping even today
It is really said that the world isn't as it supposed to be. But it's good that you get your frustrations out here instead of kicking the dog.
That’s it? A ‘thumbs down’ emoji? That’s all I get? 😂
Thank you. For those of us on a limited budget who might want to splurge on this upgrade, it gives us addtional information we should consider.
There's is no shutter sound.. it's not real... Just don't use it..
After watching this I just have to say it's like your whining like a lil baby. IT'S NEW GEESH
The complaints are mostly from the uninformed and the ones that bought a camera they are not skilled enough for. Totally invalid gripes.
Wait for the next video we do on the z8.
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird no, thank you.
Welcome back to Lightroom btw haha.. I also bought a perpetual license for capture one only to realise it’s outdated and year later! 😡
I also have to sit down and figure out how to save battery by having the lcd off when not in use, mucked around the options and it was getting the evf off or the other way round lol
Ha! Not sure if I can handle re-learning Lightroom. Might have to just suffer with Capture One and pay the $$. As for the LCD, I have to do the same thing, but it's hard to figure out which mode does what you want - there are so many!
@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird hey! The new firmware update today offers choice of shutter sounds! My favourite is the hasselblad leaf shutter one (the second last option) 😁
My migration to the Z system has started with the Z50, now with the Z5, and planning to get the Z9. My main DSLR shooter is the D500 which I will never get rid of. The Z system takes a bit of getting used to. I hear the same growing pains from people who have gone to the Z8/mirrorless from the F body without having done a progression through the lower-spec Z bodies and taking time to learn the Z system.
Every new article comes with a learning curve. Its not that big of a deal.
That shutter sound is a little off to me as well. But even if the shutter sound mimicked the Nikon F3, it still wouldn’t be right because there’s no tactile or haptic feedback of that mirror moving. I guess this is just where cameras are heading.
The Z8’s shutter is a little more sophicated than people give it credit for though. For instance, take a 1-second exposure and you’ll hear that it’s actually a 2-part sound. So after training your ear by hearing the long shutter, it makes the faster shutter sound less of a static click, and more of a 2-part…………static click. OK, so it’s still a static click but it’s different. Try it and tell me what you think. LOL
Are you ill?
Talk about growing pains, wait until you see the manual! Over 800 pages! I haven't really done much photography for a number of years. I set up a D-90 then a D-750 for my wife to use. I used it a few times on trips, but it was her camera. We have retired and I decided it was time to get back to photography, but I wanted my own and wanted to go mirrorless. Since we have Nikon, I decided on the Z8. I have only had it about a week and spent a few hours watching setup videos and looking a the manual, then going through the menu. I have just started playing around with it and poked around a bit and changed my profile, ok menu bank, from A to C without realizing it. Now I am looking and wondering why I am shooting JPG and went back through the menu and seeing all the settings were back to factory. I finally saw the change from A to C and put it back. So, the learning curve, at least for me, is going to be like Mt. Everest! It will take me quite a bit of time to get comfortable, especially since the weather is going to be down into the single digits here in the Southeast. I will also have to bread down and get a flash, something I haven't used since my film days. So, I feel your pain and the struggle is real.
I have also been debating going into the Z line from a D500. Battery life alone has stopped several late at night 'pay now' button clicks. Glad to get some clarity on some of the other little things that would push this from few dollars of unplanned expenses to a significant budget deficit.
Change always requires some adjustment. Such is a fact of life. One doesn't have to like it but adults, especially professional photographers, need to accept such and get on.... Stop winning and read the bloody manual...you will be a better version of yourself for the effort.
Buyers regret? Ill take it!!!
Kidding
40 years ago I was thinking which system to get into, Nion or Canon. I tried Nikon and found the menu was horrible.. So I went the Cannon way... 40 years later Nikon still making those horrible menus...
Fortunately, you're opinion isn't truth. No shade, just pointing out a very shallow sentiment on your part.
I love your rant. I shot with D750s for several years. I love Nikon, but didn’t think the Z6 was good enough to switch to mirrorless. I didn’t want to just toss my investment in Nikon, so I patiently waited. Then the ZF was released. I love this camera. Great shutter sound, BTW. First thing I discovered was that my godox flashes weren’t working in TTL mode. It required some IT gymnastics and a new usb-A micro cord to update the firmware. I have the same tether issue as well. I’ll get a new cord eventually. Don’t shoot tethered enough to replace it right away. My G1 Tamron lenses were iffy with the FTZ adapter, so I replaced those. And my extra 3rd party batteries, which I kept as backups do not work with the new ZF, so had to get a new backup. Good luck with the z8! I would love to find someone willing to sell me theirs for a song.
Thanks for the reminder...:)
I respect different viewpoints and perspectives. However, this seems a VERY SHALLOW list of petty complaints that have nearly nothing to do with the specific camera.
In this video - quite possibly you're right. You're welcome to watch our next video where I do get into some rather specific complaints about the z8. RGB histogram, anyone?
Z8 is my first serious camera, before this i had a z6 which i still have but i just love the way the z8 feels in my hands. Z6 is a lot smaller and at times it gets painful. I have a cage on the z8 and the grip is just sublime! Its an absolute delight to grip this camera.
This camera has brought some serious changes in my workflow. I now edit videos right off the cf express card. Dont want to fill up my hard drives on daily basis🤪
How you edit from the cards ?
@@ronaldcphotography i have a lexar cfexpress type b card reader, they are fast enough. I use it as an external storage device. For some quick instagram reels i dont need to copy the data on to my pc, i edit and colour them directly off the card.
Recently i had ordered a 1TB cf express card and i guess this is going to become a regular practice now.
@@MysticApertureStudios sounds great 👍
I see a lot of cameras being blown away and floating in the air. Lets get some context. A few yrs back I was craving to get the D5 and I had my 300 f2.8 for wildlife with TC's. The the D850 came along and I bought it for at the time a massive price. I had young and old wildlife photographers with lesser gear in envy. 5 yrs later, people still shoot the D5 and D850 others mover on to Z9/8 and new Z mount lenses. Those who aspired to the D5 and D850 now buy these cameras at bargain prices. They produce fantastic images, them might not have the speed or the eye detection of other stuff, but man the IQ remains fantastic. So I can buy a D850 with a 300 f2.8 vr with TC 1.4iii used in top condition for 40% of the price of a Z8 with the new 400 f4.5. So we sit in a hide or somewhere here in Africa and both photograph a pride of lions or Cheetah hunt etc. we get home, process and print our images. and the differance in IQ ?? Depends on the skill of the photographer yes but both are crazy sharp lenses, both bodies have the mp files, the D850 might require the photographer to use more skill focusing on the eye. So who blows away who? This constant, Z blows away A or C or F? really?
I think you're right in many ways. The z8 does not deliver better images than my d500. The photos still look like they were taken by me - and that is a good or a bad thing, depending on how you want to look at it.
i sold my d850 for a z6 ,,,,,,,,, then i sold the z6 an bought another d850 its more hype you really think sony will make better cameras than a company that is a camera maker with nikons pedigree ?? i have a d4s as well the mirror less thing really is over hyped .
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So you don’t know how to use the camera and that gives you buyers remorse?
I’m sorry but these aren’t problems with the Z8, all these problems could be avoided if you did your research before buying the camera and it’s pretty obvious that you didn’t do your due diligence before going to your shoot 💀.. sorry mate but I think you might have to rename your video tittle
I didn’t show up to that shoot with only one camera. I’m dumb, but not that dumb. Watch the next video on the z8. Lots of (in my mind) legitimate issues with the camera. I’m used to it, but it’s by no means perfect.
I recently rented a Z8 to take photos at an airshow for the 20fps. Despite watching numerous setup videos, I only had a day to practice with the camera before the airshow. I brought my D850 batteries (2), plus the battery that came with the Z8 rental. However, even with three batteries, they ran out with 30+ minutes left of the Blue Angels performance. To my disappointment, when reviewing the photos, they didn't match the consistency of previous airshow photos taken with my D850.
Lesson learned: shooting with a mirrorless camera is not the same as a DSLR, and ample spare batteries are a must.
yep but you could have used the grip on the d850 with the d5 batterys and one battery would have lasted all day an then some .........
That's because it's a Nikon. Nikon has always had problems with their mirrorless cameras since they produced their very first one.
Soooo the camera works great but your moaning because you impulse bought the camera without looking into what you need to make it fit with how you work.
Did you see our next video on the z8? The one where I have (I think) a bunch of legitimate beefs with the camera? I think with the latest firmware update and me getting used to (and ignoring and learning to live with) the quirks of the camera, it's a better fit for me now. There is still no way to set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel, though. And I still randomly get focus peaking when I put the 20mm lens on. The z6iii feels more sorted, but it has its own set of issues.
Filming video on a Z camera vs a d850 is night and day! But agreed the shutter sound is BRUTAL on z cameras. There are a couple on Z9 that are not bad, but the correct move would have been and still continues to be to release a TON of historical DSLR nikon shutter slaps and let people nostalgia out and pick the one they like. That is the move. Still hoping for it.
i dont shoot video doe sent interest me stills does so why would i want jack off all trades master of none camera? if i shot video id buy a real video camera
You are really getting roasted in these comments? I find the outspoken level of dismissiveness to be surprisingly funny because other youtubers have dogged the Z8/Z9 as well, and were not dragged this badly. Maybe it's just you, bro. What did you to the people to make them so prickly towards your video? LOL.
BTW, the Z8 is quite spectacular.
Yeah, this video touched a few nerves. We did a follow-up where I went through even more issues I had with the z8 (after shooting with it for a while) and that had fewer people complaining to me because, well, I could actually point to the camera set up and say what my problems were. Still shooting with the z8, still love the GFX 50sii more but the z8 does the job for many things.
Buyers regret? Click bait 😂
Yup. Guilty as charged.
Wireless tether!!!!
And the Nikon fanboys actually stopped watching and just downvoted. Nikon fanboys really are the most insufferable people in the entire photography world.
There are some helpful comments, for sure. And some unhelpful ones. And of the 63 videos we have done not a single one has less than about 90% likes... Except for the 2 videos we did on the z8 (like 60% and 75%, I think?). The worst thing is that I have now found that the z8, unlike the d500 and the d810 will not allow you to view the red channel in the highlights clipping window. Which means that you get to overexpose the red channel in your photos while believing that the image isn't overexposed. I did it today, I did. I'm going to do a video on that, too - and that's a major flaw in this camera. Like MAJOR flaw. The Nikon community might not like it very much...
What an ancient!! I thought you were to complain about overheating or something, not about being from a different generation. Not informative at all.
Check out our other z8 video. That’s where I list all the shortcomings of the z8. Can you set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel like the d500 and the d810? Nope…
Sounds like foolish spoiled rants that could have been avoided by researching or choosing another camera
Guilty as charged. But watch our next video on the z8 where I actually comment on some (in my mind) major shortcomings.
@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Casey from Camera Conspiracies makes this rant about every camera.
Thus, every camera has shortcomings. How about teaching how to overcome certain shortcomings to make it stronger rather than being a contrarian about them, or just buy the perfect camera.
I love my Z8, and I loved my Fuji XT 4 and the XH2. I love the Z8 most, but its biggest shortcoming is its weight and size, but that's all relevant to full frame vs. APC now, isn't it.
Nikon has an awesome lens line up that won't break the bank, and the Z9, Z8, Z6 III, and the retro ZF cameras are fairly priced for what they each bring to the table.
There is the Canon R5 II and various Sony Camera's up for grabs, each with their own shortcomings.
@@technodronesogxl9783 We can agree there is no perfect camera - and goodness knows I have bought more than my fair share of cameras looking for it.
As described in the next video we did on the z8, here is one MAJOR shortcoming, where I'm scratching my head with Nikon. That's where they took away the ability (on at least the D3x, D500, D800 and D810 among many others) to set the highlight clipping warning to the red channel (or the green or the blue, if you're so inclined)
This was a feature of the camera I relied on greatly, as I do a lot of portraiture and red highlights clip first and when they do, they're really hard to recover. In the z8, the highlight warning is set to the green histogram, which not only clips last but also has twice the photo sites of red or blue. (Bayer pattern array).
I have gone through the entire 948 page manual and no luck.
The z8 is a great camera - I love it. Like every camera it's hardly perfect and flawed in its own way. However, in this one issue it has regressed greatly from previous models and I would love to know the reason why.
If I were to just fawn all over the z8 then my review wouldn't be of much interest - and to your suggestion I tell people how to work around this issue - my only suggestion would be to bone up on your metering and make sure you're not clipping, no matter what the gamut warning tells you.
I'll still shoot with the z8 and now that I know about the different compression algorithms, I might just sell my z6iii and buy another z8 - that's how much I like it.
I guess we'll all have to keep digging for that perfect camera.
Its ok the mk 3 and 4 will soon bury it , disposable crap ! Keep your d850s guys