Just ordered the silver/ grey 2024 (74) with the heated ergo low seat. I'm 5 ft 7 inches with a 28" inseam so I'm hoping this bike fits me. Again coming from a Triumph Tiger 900 but the 2023 Aregon edition and managed that well. Nice to see some info on how us "vertically challenged" people manage this bike. Preload drop to 0% worked well on the test ride. 😊😊😊
Great Video! Very informative. I am trying to decide between KTM SAS and Triumph 1200 Rally explorer. Btw I was told in the dealership last year that you can electronically lower KTM SAS. Is that true? Maybe it is a new feature..
As a fellow short arse I can fully understand the challenges these bikes bring and having recently had the R version of this bike which at 880 is a tad higher I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how quickly I’ve got used to it - what has helped me no end is watching the Bret Tkacs UA-cam video on short riders and how to get used to only having only one foot on the deck - well worth a watch
Hiya Rob yeah good old Bret’S vids. I watch them he’s brilliant! Also had some contact with him regarding my high speed wobble and suspension concerns which he helped me out 👍 nice guy. You’ve done well getting on with the R model wow. That’s a tall girl ! Too much for me haha. But like you say it’s all possible if you really want it. It’s all technique and confidence. Have you taken it off-road yet?
@@RicardoYeep no not yet - it replaced a GSA that I’d had for a couple of years - planning to take it off road when we finally get to go on a Spain trip but it will only be gravel tracks tbh - it’ll need some different tyres on as it comes with road biased tyres. I use another bike for green lanes etc .
He Rob! Yeah I love Spain and their gravel trails. Went to Bardenas Reales in 2019 (last holiday 😩) google it! Also some cool logging trails (not so gravelled) just go off piste and explore most the time there is no one around anyway! You’ll have a blast! Makes me jealous and need to sort something for myself “lockdown” and “Travel” permitting without all this traffic light system 😩! Also I went on a brand new XCA and the oem tyres did fine Battlax tyres. Non need for hard core tyres particularly if Mike munching and it’s only compacted hard Surface with gravel 👍
Great vid and thanks for posting for this vertically challenged rider. I too am 5’6” on a good day, and have also ridden tall bikes, “Africa Twin, VFR1200X. I’m hoping the 2025 comes in the semi-auto, and if it does, I plan on buying one now, that I know I’ll be able to ride it. Ride safe…
This video inspired me to hop on one at my local dealer an man do I regret it. Last time I tried was in 2017 and the bike was overwhelming, ridiculous tall. They really did a great job re-engineering since then as it was a remarkably comfortable toes on the ground bike for another 29 inch inseam with the low seat setting. Obviously the regret is focused on the need to own one now.
Hiya buddy. Thanks for the comment and watching the clip of mine! Good to hear from you. Apologies for the late reply. Lots going on in life etc... But pleased to hear you managed to pop in to your dealer and check one out. They are a different bike altogether than the previous gen which were so tall.. As you have worked out.. The draw back is now getting your hands on one haha.. I am now maybe overstretching myself.. literally. As I have now changed to the R to see what its like to own. SO far no drops :) All the best, Ric
2 ideas. Add a jubilee clamp with rubber hose around it to give grip and protect the stand paint. And tighten it around the stand at the preferred position - circa 4 inches up maybe, and that works brilliantly when kicking or lifting side stand. The rubber hose(jubilee is passed through it) gives grip to the boot sole as well. Other tip, add a foot plate to stand foot as it rises the bike slightly. Cheers
Hi Mabs! Thanks thats a brilliant idea bout the paint on the side stand. And I have a foot stand plate too from Perun moto. All useful stuff. Thank you
Brilliant video. I want to get one but I keep seeing negative comments about the electrics. What's your experience so far? Also, What's the power like? I've got a z1000sx. Thanks Ricardo
Hello mate and thanks for watching and great feedback. So far never had a problem with my own . But that’s isn’t saying problems don’t happen. It’s how good your dealer is at managing them I would say. If your treated like a film star with any gripe and you always get sorted then I don’t see an issue. As for the z1000sx. Lovely bike as mate has one and also my dealership I work for is a kwak dealer too as well as a ktm dealer. The power is different ball park. The 1290 is a 1.3L V twin. Pure muscle from the the low down revs. It pulls like a train. Switch off all the rider aids and you’ll be having the bike on its back wheel through most of its gears if you are that inclines. Haha… that’s the beauty of this bike. It is a do all bike and can be as sensible and conservative looking as you want. But it shares the same hooligan engine as the 1290 Super Duke R.. just detuned and reworked to push out 160hp instead of 180HP. 🫣🤦♂️💪💪💪 you gotta test ride one in with maniac setting and you’ll know what I mean when you grab a fist full 😃
Hiya Brad! Thanks for watching and comment mate! Yep they do make it a tad harder but nothing major. Id still have them over the stock pegs any day of the week! Cheers Ric
Thanks for the video! I'm really interested to hear your thoughts as you mentioned you had a Tiger 800 XCA beforehand. I currently own an 800 XCA and looking to upgrade to the 1290SAS, im 5'7 and the Tiger feels quite top heavy to me. I'm used to it and have no issues with control but the KTM is just so tempting to 'upgrade' to for all the tech. How does the SAS compare to the Tiger in terms of low speed weight, U-turn type feeling, is the seat height comparable? Once any bike is properly moving especially modern ones, the weight tends to disappear so that should be much of an issue. Do you miss the Tiger? Cheers.
Thanks for the video Rick, you are doing great on the new S. I have one here in Ireland and love it. Completely different to the last older T and R/S models. I am waiting for SW Motech to bring the frames for the hard luggage, any plans what you are doing luggage wish?
Hello Mark! I love this bike! And thanks for your time and feedback! Yeah good question on luggage. Still waiting for them 2 month overdue and hopefully this weekend receive them. However I initially ordered the OEM plastics as I have always had aluminium adventure luggage before. I rarely use panniers so wanted to keep clean look when not installed. Bit delay after delay I am now getting black Touratech set which isn’t a bad thing. And no extra cost as the dealer offered. Also thinking about my akrapovic the pannier scaffolding will act as further protection in a drop so is a good move I think. I am also waiting on engine bars and skid plate. One of them not until September!!!!! And not much after market available at the moment! So no dirt for me for a while lol… this S model is insane and a real do all bike! They did well on this updated version 😁👍.cheers Ric Have you looked at Bumot luggage? I hear they are solid !
@@robgreaves2633 ah excellent awesome kit and well made. A lot of people are using them. If it weren’t for me being bought a set of OEM Touratech I would have gone for Bumot myself 👍
Great Video. Glad I stumbled onto your channel. I currently have a cruiser and want to trade it in for a 1290 Super Adventure S and was worried about the height. I am the same height but 28.5-29" inseam and just a heavier set guy than you. My local dealer does not have any in stock for me to sit on so I have been trying to figure out if the stock height would work or if needing a lowering kit or what route I might need to go. You pretty much answered the question. You have a new subscriber here. Thank you,
Hiya my friend. Thats fantastic news. Pleased it was of some use to you (video). It’s a fantastic bike and I’ve owned a few different ones. This one is a whole package 👍 Thanks Rick
Yeah mate it nothing to complain about at the moment that’s for sure. However like I say I’m in London frequently as I have a home there and the company I work for is in London. So get the best of both or the worst 😂 (for the last 25 years) And my pleasure and glad you enjoyed the vid! Excellent idea thanks to you!
Hi Ricardo! Thank you for all these enriching videos! I'm about to buy this bike to replace my 2015 1290 I have a question about the saddle adjustment. I'm tall, and when I tested the bike at my dealer the seat in the high position and fell back on its own twice in a row to the low position, while riding! Did you have this problem? It seems that ktm knows about it, but for the moment this problem is not corrected. You who already own this bike, do you think it is possible to fix it with a "temporary tweak" while ktm is doing a recall? Thanks in advance!
Hell my friend! Thanks for watching and enjoying the short videos. Much appreciated. I am very well aware of the problem for this seat for tall riders. And that for a lot of people is it always falls into the low seat setting. I have looked at the seat structure and how it is held in place. It seems a very poor design at both the front fixing and also at the rear fixing. I have made a short video to help explain what I mean and will upload shortly. Unfortunately I do not have an idea how to temporary fix this issue. As any fix I can see would require "damaging" the seat. And this would risk possible KTM rejecting a warranty claim if they have fixed the issue and have new seats available. I would suggest you hold on and do not modify. I know this is a pain and not what you want to hear. I just cannot see a way of actually fixing the seat without drilling or cutting the seat in any way. Anyway I will put a short clip up shortly to show what I mean. And you can see at your own leisure. As I know at the dealers you will not be taking the time to investigate seat problems.. Hope it helps (even if it doesn't fix it sorry) Video : ua-cam.com/video/p_HUW8vYUOU/v-deo.html Thanks again Ric
Hi Ricardo. Thanks for the video. What are those cables under the passenger seat in time 6:26? This is for GoPro or something like that? I need charging batteries for my GoPro and DJI Drone in my Tailbag and i try to find some elegant solution. Greetings from Czech Republic :-)
Hi again mate. No those cables at the back of my seat are for my Optimate3 battery charger/optimiser which I keep connected to the bike when in the garage! However the same priniciple would apply for an extra charge lead. Without having to tap into any other bike cables or use any other accessory points. A straight forward way would be the same as my optimate cable which is connected direct to the battery. I would use one of these if I were to need rear end charge points for a 5v 2.1 amp usb charge requirement. Have a look and check for yourself though. When not in use you can disconnect it and attached the waterproof cap. (same as my charge connection). Have a look at the current ebay item 393398264103 (See what you think). Simply run to the rear under the passenger seat? Great to hear from more international riders! Thanks Ric!
Good stuff mate. Yes it was recommended with these bikes as they have a lot of electronics and tech that it is wise to keep them on a battery tender when not in use. These bikes have a lot of demand on battery. And will help maintain the life of the battery longer. Particularly if people only use the bike for short periodic journeys! Thanks again! Cheers Ric 👍
Hiya Chrissy! I have the new Garmin Zumo XT and the mount is the KTM official SATNAV mount 👍 Hope that helps. And thanks for watching mate. Anything else just drop a message. Cheers Ric
Hiya Stuart! Nice to hear from you. I got to say I do love the 890 and for what I’ll use it for it’s probably more appropriate. However the 1290 is just grin factor all the way. I’ve no regrets in my choice. Just a beast of a bike 🫣👍😂
Hi, I’m Stephan from Montreal, Canada 🇨🇦 I was wondering I’m 5,6 also and I should get my KTM next week, have you change the handlebars position? I know they are adjustable, …. Thank you!
Hell Stephane! Great to hear from you and congrats on the new machine 💪 I have tried different positions but personally I have found the standard position (dead centre marking) the ideal position. I don’t find any issues at all. I come from a triumph tiger and they had quite a long reach compared to this bike where the bars are already much closer (like a dirt bike feel). You will need to see how you feel. But nope I kept mine stock 👌 Hope to hat helps and great to hear from a Canadian!! 👍 Have a good one Ric
Great videos Ric, I’ve just purchased the same bike here in Australia and did my first ride on the weekend. My issue is opposite, I’m a taller rider with the seat on the higher setting, but when I sit forward on the seat, the seat pops out of the groove it sits in, very frustrating on a new machine. Keep up the videos 👍
Hey up Sean! Thank you kindly sir on the feedback. Much appreciated and good to know I am helping out. So your one of the verically blessed ! Yeah I hear about the seating issue for taller riders. You should go back to the dealer and get it sorted if you can. I know for a fact that KTM pulled off all there accessory seating options with the exception of about 2 seats due to this problem. Its a nown problem that in the high position the standard seat just clicks back down once weight it applied after a while. I am not sure they have resolved this or even know for sure it relates to why they pulled 90% of their seat offerings from the oline catalgue. ( I know as I had already ordered a low seat but once I had the bike decided to check out the heated passenger seats and saw nearly all their seats removed from the online parts... Dealer also agreed with me), I am still now 2 months on waiting for my heated seat (LOW) and not sure when I am getting it yet. Deffo check with your dealer regarding this problem. KTM in my opinion should be offering to give you a new one when the or if they resolve this or at least maje a note on the system you are waiting for it if they do (under warranty). cheers again and thanks for dropping in from that amazing land down under !!!! Cheers Ric
@@seanb2397 Like you I'm a taller rider, so have ordered the higher seat which is +14mm i think... code is 61907940025... All being well that will help to stretch the legs out a bit. Like Ric it is on back order in UK
@@ibiza130bikes Cheers mate, yes I’ve looked to the tall seat option but like everywhere there are no spares for this bike yet available, especially in AUS, but thanks anyway, appreciate any advice to make the riding experience better
Hiya! Usually low battery. Leave on trickle charge. These bikes suck juice. Turn bike off for a minute. Restart (not on centre stand). Main thing is keeping battery optimum. If this doesn’t clear it then might be genuine issue for a dealer under warranty. I think it will clear though. Just ensure when starting , it’s not on centre stand, and after pressing “grey” race on button you let it settle and complete its “on” cycle before hitting the ignition. Fingers crossed 🤞
Hey Enrique! Cheers for watching and hope it was entertaining haha. Yes it’s very easy with the right technique I guess. This bike requires no effort at all to get on centre stand! Maybe your approach is a little off possibly. No joke I nearly threw the bike about 1 feet backwards when I first launched it onto the stand! 😆😆
Good info.. anyway… may i know what brand of trouse u wear ?.. the size.. i m also 5 6.. with the weight around 70 kg.. but it very hard for me to look for the right size inseam of 30 in that really fit for the length.. tq
Hello Sir! Thanks for watching my stuff! The trouser brand is Rukka and the model is Armaxion. And C1 means short leg in their sizing. I am a 32 inch waist and 30 inch leg. So with this Swedish brand I take trouser size EU size 50 C1 , they fit me perfectly and enough to move around on the bike. 5 year warranty too ! They do different models as well. Mine are old now and they have more on offer! Try them on at a store if you can 👍 cheers Ric
Thank you for this great video’s I’m new here an subscribed to your channel, Im 165 cm and i had a lowered from factory r1200 gs lc 2015. I hope ktm all so can bring some options like. that, I have to question for you, How tall are you in cm Can you do a video of the akrapovic with high quality sound where you ride agressive on the road/ offroad i want to hear the fly by sound. You deserve more views and subscribers man Love from the Netherlands
Hello my friend and thank you for the kind words and enjoying my channel 🤝 it is a very young channel indeed (not like these big boys will millions of subscribers haha). But I enjoy it and it’s new and fun for me which is what makes me do it 👍 To answer your question I am 166cm with 74cm inside leg. Yes I’m short 😆 The bike I have is all standard with seat on lowest setting. I am waiting for my low heated seat to arrive which will lower more by 1cm. It’s a very light feeling bike to manoeuvre due to the low down fuel tanks! Handles like an 800 in my opinion. Not like a big 1300! Yeah I’m going to do a full my ownership review soon and will be blasting around the Peak District at some point. I’ll make sure I try to get some aggressive fly by exhaust notes for you 👍😎😎 Again cheers for the comment! And for subscribing! Much appreciated. Any other video suggestions do feel free to let me know!! And a big hello back to the Netherlands!!! Always love hearing from other countries ! Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep Dear Friend, the r1200 gs lg was very good balanced because of the heavy boxers on the sides it was very easy to ride. i have intrest to buy the Africa twin adventure sports or the Kim 1290r super adventure R, biggest problems are the hight of the motorcycles. We will definitely follow your channel I like how you do things by your self, a real motorcyclist must know everything of his own motorcycle. I'm a motorcycle diehard lover and have my own channel where I upload video's about motorcycle's. you are in one word '' Awesome,,
Hello again mate! Yes the BMW are a very well made bike and that’s why they are popular no doubt! And the boxer engine has the low centre of gravity. I like bmw GS but for me a bit too bulky. As for the Africa twin amazing bike and nearly bought one a year ago. But I could fit the Adventure Sport we crazy tall! I mean I couldn’t even get a leg over it was ridiculous. So nearly had the standard AT instead. Nearly…. Out of all the dual sport bikes around right now. It’s was a very close decision between the latest Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro and the KTM 1290 SAS. I actually ordered the triumph and cancelled 2 weeks before delivery! And bought the KTM instead. The tiger has won so many awards!! You must look up review by Steve Kamrad on UA-cam about the 900 Rally Pro. Anyway I chose the 1290 💪💪💪 And thanks again for following. I value the support! Many thanks Ric
@@RicardoYeep Best Friend, your decision was very good, 1290 is the go on this moment, one friend of me have the africatwin 1100 adventure sports and the newer model is lowered in the seat hight, I fit with two feet on the ground and of course not total flat on the ground, but safe enough to hold the bike. i want to choose between this 3 bikes. ktm andventure r 1290 2021 Honda africa twin 11 adventure sport honda Xadv 750 2021 the last one is so nice for the city driving and going ounce outside the city.
@@BarbaryStudio Hello and good to hear from you again. You have 3 very different bikes there to choose. The 1290S a seriously powerful dual sport bike very close to superbike performances as much as an ADV can. A middle cappacity 750cc and a heavily biased offroad 1100cc. You need to see what you will use the bike mostly I think. But more important which one give you the "buzz" feeling even just looking at it when parked up. Not just from practial reasons. Go with your gut instinct. All I can say this S model is everything and more that the reviews say. Its the best thing out in a long time as an all rounder! Cheers Ric
Man, I was riding in the low setting. My back started to hurt because I was curving my back while riding. Today, some flowers fell between the seat. Oh, surprise! There are two settings, for crying out loud! Haha, I should have taken the R. 😂 thanks for the video pal!
Hi Ricardo!! 🤣 (not often I get to say that here in uk) . Anyway to answer your question unfortunately I cannot compare to previous gen. I chose not to buy previous gen due to the geometry and being short was not suitable for daily central London commuting. I need to filter and man handle the bike in and out of traffic Jams and stationary vehicles. So I needed to be very aware of my capabilities and the bike. I am very experienced in London traffic after 25 years. And also ridden tall bikes where I can only just tip toe for the last 8 years. I usually ride one foot on peg and one on the floor when stopped. But for me the previous gen was too much. In addition to it being a heavy bike. I can only speak from experience as a short rider in and city commuter. This new model is crazy good! The new geometry already makes the bike fraction lower, but with a low seat option for me makes an extra benefit. Obviously if your tall thus is irrelevant. But also the big difference compare top previous model is the excellent low centre of gravity as there is no fuel tank on top. The fuel is kept mainly at the base near the engine cases and partially down each side of the bike. It feels more like an 800 than a 1300. That’s the most prevalent to me. The height I can cope but the low cog makes a world of difference in low speed manoeuvres ! You must really have a go to see what I mean. Not sure that really answer your question but is best I can do . Thanks Ric 👍
@@RicardoYeep yeap I'm not really tall and actually is the biggest problem I have with the '18 so I hardly use it in the city but I'd love to use it a bit more for everyday riding so yeah this sounds lovely, sadly I still have to wait until Feb to get mine
Ah I see! Yes I agree is a shame not to be making better use of a beautiful bike. Get the value out of it more. Like I say I am a shorty with a 29/30 inch inside leg. If I can manage in rush hour central London then anyone can. 👍
Hello mate! Good to hear from you. Yeah thr power parts seats are definitely comfier than stock. The heated bit also a big bonus on the winter rides. I wouldn't be without it. Definitely recommend the upgrade if you can stretch to the added costs. The stock seats are a but firm and I'm reasonably hardy. So for me to be moving around after 3 hours in the saddle something must be up 😃
Hi Kevin thank you for dropping in! no the bike is all factory standard ! They are really great bikes. Have you got one or thinking about one? You can buy low seat too for an extra 1cm lower in height too! Cheers Ric
Hey congrats on the new bike! Brilliant! Yes that’s a little tall but not crazy tall. I understand the seat on the 390 is fixed and doesn’t adjust (I might be wrong). Your first option and cheapest is just practice and build confidence and experience on handling the bike as it comes. One foot down and one foot on the opposite foot peg. Learn to adapt an quickly slide to the opposite foot of you need to. I will admit that it can be awkward when needing to walk the bike in traffic or backwards if need to. Most likely you’ll need to get off the bike if you can’t reverse it. Other option and maybe the one you will choose. KTM do a lowering spring kit for this very same reason. It lowers the bike by 25mm make the bike now 830mm much more user friendly ! Is it 2021 model ? KTM part number 95812955044 Have a look and see what you think. It maybe worth the extra little cost of makes your riding more enjoyable 👍 Hope that’s helps mate. Thanks Ric
Ya here in India we have lowering kit for adv 390 but I'm not going to lower my bike.I think I'll get used to it pretty fast 😁.Any way keep up the good work Richard and if you can,do a video like this with gs 1250cuz that's my dream ride.Anyway❤️from India
@@Kevin-hq6nj excellent my friend!! And always a pleasure to strike up a new conversation with another person from another part of the world 🤝👍🙏! Cheers Ric
Hello Isak. Nope no risers. Even as short rider I feel the this needs 1290 is really good geometry for me. Bars already close enough. In comparison to a tiger 800 anyway where the bars are a little further away 👍 Thanks Ric
Hiya Dan. Yes mate the 2021 is indeed lower. I almost had a 2020 as they were going at some good bargain deals but ended up paying the extra for a 21 for this among the other reasons. The bike actually feels like a smaller bike too and so well balanced due to the bladder tanks! Cheers Ric
Do you ever mount it like a horse while on the stand to get your leg over the rear top bag? My DRZ400 is too tall for me to just swing a leg over from the ground. Maybe you do some yoga to improve your flexibility 😅
Morning mate… yep 👍 that’s the main way I usually mount the bike regardless of luggage or not. I’ve done this on all my adventure bikes. Occasionally I’ve hurdled one leg over the rider seat but it’s not my ideal method 😁
I'm a little taller at 5.79 feet and while I'm sure your comfortable maybe i need to sit on one to find out if i will be. That's my one dilemma, well that and tire wear. I can flat foot my r1200r just and that's is kind of confidence inspiring especially when maneuvering at very slow speeds.
Hello John thanks for watching and the comment. As for the preload I have been sat on the bike and changed settings however I can’t say I have actually been in motion whilst playing with it. It’s something I would have been doing whilst stopped. However personally I don’t see much difference in leg or foot to floor ability by removing all the preload. The only time I’ve noticed is with additional weight like a pillion. It does make it much easier to foot both on the ground. However as a solo rider I Personally don’t see much difference whilst sat on it. But a massive difference when riding and the softness of the ride. Don’t get the impression by backing off all the pre load you can lower the bike. It’s really immaterial in that respect personally speaking. I’ve tried it! Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep was not thinking of riding with the preload set to low just for getting on and putting the side stand up, l sat on one in the shop and could not get both toes down so could not reach the side stand, l am so tempted to still get one and adapt to it All the best John
@@johnhavercroft9803 no worries. Again not worth the effort of the process. You will not notice much difference. You’ll still be tip toeing. Also did you make sure that the seat was tested on the low setting. Sometimes the dealers are crap at setting the seat correctly I’ve found 👍
Can anyone confirm that the 2021 has a lower seat height than the 2017-2020? And how much it is lower? (The specs state the 2021 is .5 inches lower but KTM is often incorrect in their seat height specs. ) Thanks
I can confirm the seat is definitely lower. But not sure by how much as I only have the 2021. However I am short arse at 5ft 6inch (with a 29 inch inseam).. I can just tip toe if I need both feet down. But usually ride one foot flat and one on the peg anyway. You can also get a Power Parts Low seat option too. Cheers Ric
Hi Art.. What seat are you meaning please. I have a few seats from the power parts catalogue. I have the low one piece ergo, and the low heated riders seat. Cheers Ric
@@artshi2664 hiya here it is mate. Low heated riders seat. 61907940015 Be aware that the stitching is orange so will not match the stock pillion seat. So you may want to get the pillion power parts seat too. The heated power parts pillion seat is part number 61907947005 Hope that helps 👍
Hello. I am 5'5 and my inseam is 29''-30''. Do you think that I would be able to ride KTM 1290 Super Adventure R? I tried few tall bike but not this tall. It has Seat height of 880mm which is 34.64 inches. I dont mind putting only one foot down I am used to it.
Hello Michael! Thanks for dropping a message. I have to be honest and say it depends on the persons experience and confidence with regards to short guys and tall bikes. If I say it’s too tall then am sure some pint sized chap will shoot me down and tell me he rides like chris birch around the streets of London in rush hour no problem 😂… so here’s my two cents… I have the same inside leg as you. I’m used to riding a taller bike than this SAS I have now (the tiger XC) was taller. I think at 840 on its lowest setting. I am fine commuting around London in traffic and man handling it. Always aware one foot down and other on the leg. And always aware I might be putting a foot down in a worn part of the road or a dip. As this can take you by surprise and cause you to go over!! I’ve done this for donkey years so am ok with it. I found it a right handful off-road where times you need feet down in the slow stuff and really struggled and come off when a taller chap wouldn’t….. now after saying that. The SAR is a bloody tall bike and taller than the Tiger XC. Personally speaking of course I would not buy the SAR. If your a short guy and your just buying it because of the paint scheme it’s a bad move I think. If your never going to go off road and I mean gnarly off road. I don’t mean gravel trails. Then you should get the S. You’ll be safer on it, still have a one foot down one on the leg policy. But not so much. Plus you get all the bells and whistles which am sure you already know (I won’t list) that the SAR doesn’t get. In fact to be quite blunt. Even if I were 6ft I’d still not buy the SAR after thinking about it (initially I did want one). I’d never get value from it and considering it cost more and you effectively get less you can take advantage of it would not be worth it in my opinion. Again for me I’m talking about ! Cheers Ric for what it’s worth I’m doing a two day rally event of around 600km on the SAS and am confident it will be fine as long as I’m not stupid 👍
@@RicardoYeep Thank you Ric for your quick response. I think so as well. Some short guys will say they are the best riders on the planet and when you see them it is horrible to look at. I am glad that you wrote me your honest opinion on this topic because as you said some people especially short men think they can ride everything which I think is wrong but fair enough 90% of motorcycle out there has seat height not more than 840mm. I had for 2 months borrowed 2020 BMW S1000RR which has seat height 830mm and I got used to it very quickly. I always wanted Adventure bike because in the future I want to travel on my motorcycle to different countries maybe with my future girlfriend and Adventure bike gives you little bit of everything. You can ride 100+ miles on the road or off the road without any problem. To be honest I like the R version more because it looks more muscular and It is bigger bike so I think my mind is telling me that it will be more capable in off road conditions and better all around. I am not planning going on gnarly off road but when there is some harsh terrain I would like to manage it without worrying of getting stuck like it happened to me with my current naked motorcycle. I was thinking of getting even the new BMW R1250 GS Adventure which has 850mm so it isnt so much taller than the KTM or Honda Africa Twin but I dont know mate what do you think. It is hard to choose from all these amazing motorcycles. So when I will get money I should get SAS instead of SAR. And If I made a mistake inn writting I am sorry but English is not my first language I am still learning but I want to make videos in English to practise it
Hello Michael I know what you mean about the s1000RR as this is the same as my older R1 (seat height 830mm). However the adventure bikes are a different ball park. Its not just about seat height but the centre of gravity as ADV bikes are taller and fuel tank (generally) higher up and also carry more fuel (weight). So bear this in mind if you dont go for a 1290 (that has split fuel tank bladders low down). But I must point out the SAR and the SAS are identical apart from 3 main things, Wheels, Suspension and Software. And I hear it all the time about the SAR being better off road and an all round bike. I agree 100% if you are using it as a heavy off road tool. But I can go on my bike (SAS) anywhere a SAR can go. It just means I need to be more careful is all. And to be honest I will probably be using my SAS more off road than some people who buy SARS. Just have a good think about what you will mainly be using it for. As the SAR is a SURGEON and is a dedicated specialist tool for hard core adventure riding. The kind of off road where you probably accept the bike will go down and you know you will be picking it up.... Proper off road where is bloody hard going and you are wanting to stand a lot. If all your going to be doing is "riding" on dirt trails but class that as enough to justify the SAR then I think you may be missing out on a lot. Like Semi active suspension, Adaptive cruise control, And a more sports orientated geometry which the SAS offers. And is cheaper!!! You can always add the SAR accessories like I have if you like a more aggressive look. But if you buy the SAR I would guess its not as easy to add the things the SAS has if at all. The SAS is like a GP (local Dr) that can do a bit of everything and does it very well. Choice is yours :) GS another great bike, and tried and tested. Good reputation and lots of Support around for it. But it will not reward you I dont think with the same level of rider fun. The 1290 Vtwin engine is an animal. Its like a race bike. Its like comparing a Volvo with a Subaru, The GS will probably (I hate to say it) last a bit longer but the the KTM will keep you smiling for longer :) (if your a racebike guy), Honda Africa twin again nice bike, I nearly had one. Cant beat Honda build quality usually. But I think the AF are sluggish and slow in comparison. But to be fair they are much smaller engined than the 1290 and the GS. Cheers Ric PS your English is perfect! :)
@@RicardoYeep Hello Ric thank you for your detailed answers. You give other people informations more detailed in the comment section than other people give informations in their Morotcycle Reviews. Based on your answers I think what I will get as my next motorcycle whenever it might be is the KTM 1290 SAS. It is more fun than the GS and Africa Twin It can do most maybe all of the things other motorcycles I mentioned can do and in many things It can be better than them. You are correct If I like certain accessories of the SAR I can add it myself later on. By The Way good luck to you and Your friends if you go with them on your two day rally event and have a wonderful time. I am glad my English is not the worst :D Take Care
Thank you Michael! appreciated. But please do try out the bikes you mentioned for yourself. You may be very surprised and find the bike you least expected to be the one is your favourite (maybe).. What I shared was just my opinion after my own research and riding habbits/needs. :) Thanks Ric
Hiya bud! That’s a shame did you consider the low seat option on the ktm? This reduces reach by about another 15mm roughly. I use one. I still don’t flat foot it though but I’ve never flat footed any bike either 👍
Hey up Dave! congrats on the new bike mate. New bike day, you can beat it :) As for the seat hahahaha... I can 100% relate to that :) All the best, Ric
@@RicardoYeep The bike is going back to the dealer tomorrow as the quick shifter doesn’t work even though it’s showing up on the dashboard and it says it’s on 😢
Hello ! Thanks for watching the video. The standard spec per manual for the seat height on the 2021 model is 84.9cm lowest setting with standard issue seat. The standard issue Seat in highest setting is 86.9cm My size leg (inside leg) 🦵 measures 76.2 cm I hope that helps 👍 Also there is an optional extra low seat accessory which lowers this further.
Hello there! Thank you for the positive advice. I agree and you are not the first to say this unfortunately. I am new on the UA-cam public scene and I am learning every time I post a new video. And understand a lot of viewers English is either a second or third language or not at all. But I will try and speak a lot louder and clearer in my future videos! Thanks mate! Cheers Ric
Just ordered the silver/ grey 2024 (74) with the heated ergo low seat. I'm 5 ft 7 inches with a 28" inseam so I'm hoping this bike fits me. Again coming from a Triumph Tiger 900 but the 2023 Aregon edition and managed that well. Nice to see some info on how us "vertically challenged" people manage this bike. Preload drop to 0% worked well on the test ride. 😊😊😊
Great Video! Very informative. I am trying to decide between KTM SAS and Triumph 1200 Rally explorer. Btw I was told in the dealership last year that you can electronically lower KTM SAS. Is that true? Maybe it is a new feature..
As a fellow short arse I can fully understand the challenges these bikes bring and having recently had the R version of this bike which at 880 is a tad higher I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how quickly I’ve got used to it - what has helped me no end is watching the Bret Tkacs UA-cam video on short riders and how to get used to only having only one foot on the deck - well worth a watch
Hiya Rob yeah good old Bret’S vids. I watch them he’s brilliant! Also had some contact with him regarding my high speed wobble and suspension concerns which he helped me out 👍 nice guy. You’ve done well getting on with the R model wow. That’s a tall girl ! Too much for me haha. But like you say it’s all possible if you really want it. It’s all technique and confidence. Have you taken it off-road yet?
@@RicardoYeep no not yet - it replaced a GSA that I’d had for a couple of years - planning to take it off road when we finally get to go on a Spain trip but it will only be gravel tracks tbh - it’ll need some different tyres on as it comes with road biased tyres. I use another bike for green lanes etc .
He Rob! Yeah I love Spain and their gravel trails. Went to Bardenas Reales in 2019 (last holiday 😩) google it! Also some cool logging trails (not so gravelled) just go off piste and explore most the time there is no one around anyway! You’ll have a blast! Makes me jealous and need to sort something for myself “lockdown” and “Travel” permitting without all this traffic light system 😩! Also I went on a brand new XCA and the oem tyres did fine Battlax tyres. Non need for hard core tyres particularly if Mike munching and it’s only compacted hard Surface with gravel 👍
Great vid and thanks for posting for this vertically challenged rider. I too am 5’6” on a good day, and have also ridden tall bikes, “Africa Twin, VFR1200X. I’m hoping the 2025 comes in the semi-auto, and if it does, I plan on buying one now, that I know I’ll be able to ride it. Ride safe…
This video inspired me to hop on one at my local dealer an man do I regret it. Last time I tried was in 2017 and the bike was overwhelming, ridiculous tall. They really did a great job re-engineering since then as it was a remarkably comfortable toes on the ground bike for another 29 inch inseam with the low seat setting. Obviously the regret is focused on the need to own one now.
Hiya buddy. Thanks for the comment and watching the clip of mine! Good to hear from you. Apologies for the late reply. Lots going on in life etc... But pleased to hear you managed to pop in to your dealer and check one out. They are a different bike altogether than the previous gen which were so tall.. As you have worked out.. The draw back is now getting your hands on one haha.. I am now maybe overstretching myself.. literally. As I have now changed to the R to see what its like to own. SO far no drops :)
All the best,
Ric
2 ideas. Add a jubilee clamp with rubber hose around it to give grip and protect the stand paint. And tighten it around the stand at the preferred position - circa 4 inches up maybe, and that works brilliantly when kicking or lifting side stand. The rubber hose(jubilee is passed through it) gives grip to the boot sole as well.
Other tip, add a foot plate to stand foot as it rises the bike slightly. Cheers
Hi Mabs! Thanks thats a brilliant idea bout the paint on the side stand. And I have a foot stand plate too from Perun moto. All useful stuff. Thank you
Brilliant video. I want to get one but I keep seeing negative comments about the electrics. What's your experience so far? Also, What's the power like? I've got a z1000sx. Thanks Ricardo
Hello mate and thanks for watching and great feedback. So far never had a problem with my own . But that’s isn’t saying problems don’t happen. It’s how good your dealer is at managing them I would say. If your treated like a film star with any gripe and you always get sorted then I don’t see an issue.
As for the z1000sx. Lovely bike as mate has one and also my dealership I work for is a kwak dealer too as well as a ktm dealer. The power is different ball park. The 1290 is a 1.3L V twin. Pure muscle from the the low down revs. It pulls like a train. Switch off all the rider aids and you’ll be having the bike on its back wheel through most of its gears if you are that inclines. Haha… that’s the beauty of this bike. It is a do all bike and can be as sensible and conservative looking as you want. But it shares the same hooligan engine as the 1290 Super Duke R.. just detuned and reworked to push out 160hp instead of 180HP. 🫣🤦♂️💪💪💪 you gotta test ride one in with maniac setting and you’ll know what I mean when you grab a fist full 😃
@@RicardoYeep Thanks Ricardo. I agree, I need to test ride one 👍
Good info. Longer pegs that stick out farther will make the stand harder to get up. I found that out on my Husky 701.
Hiya Brad! Thanks for watching and comment mate! Yep they do make it a tad harder but nothing major. Id still have them over the stock pegs any day of the week!
Cheers
Ric
Thanks for the video! I'm really interested to hear your thoughts as you mentioned you had a Tiger 800 XCA beforehand. I currently own an 800 XCA and looking to upgrade to the 1290SAS, im 5'7 and the Tiger feels quite top heavy to me. I'm used to it and have no issues with control but the KTM is just so tempting to 'upgrade' to for all the tech. How does the SAS compare to the Tiger in terms of low speed weight, U-turn type feeling, is the seat height comparable? Once any bike is properly moving especially modern ones, the weight tends to disappear so that should be much of an issue. Do you miss the Tiger? Cheers.
Thanks for the video Rick, you are doing great on the new S. I have one here in Ireland and love it. Completely different to the last older T and R/S models. I am waiting for SW Motech to bring the frames for the hard luggage, any plans what you are doing luggage wish?
Hello Mark! I love this bike! And thanks for your time and feedback! Yeah good question on luggage. Still waiting for them 2 month overdue and hopefully this weekend receive them. However I initially ordered the OEM plastics as I have always had aluminium adventure luggage before. I rarely use panniers so wanted to keep clean look when not installed. Bit delay after delay I am now getting black Touratech set which isn’t a bad thing. And no extra cost as the dealer offered. Also thinking about my akrapovic the pannier scaffolding will act as further protection in a drop so is a good move I think. I am also waiting on engine bars and skid plate. One of them not until September!!!!! And not much after market available at the moment! So no dirt for me for a while lol… this S model is insane and a real do all bike! They did well on this updated version 😁👍.cheers Ric
Have you looked at Bumot luggage? I hear they are solid !
@@RicardoYeep I’ve ordered the Bumot kit - I’ll let you know when it arrives in a couple of weeks as currently waiting for the frame
@@robgreaves2633 ah excellent awesome kit and well made. A lot of people are using them. If it weren’t for me being bought a set of OEM Touratech I would have gone for Bumot myself 👍
Great Video. Glad I stumbled onto your channel. I currently have a cruiser and want to trade it in for a 1290 Super Adventure S and was worried about the height. I am the same height but 28.5-29" inseam and just a heavier set guy than you. My local dealer does not have any in stock for me to sit on so I have been trying to figure out if the stock height would work or if needing a lowering kit or what route I might need to go. You pretty much answered the question. You have a new subscriber here. Thank you,
Hiya my friend. Thats fantastic news. Pleased it was of some use to you (video). It’s a fantastic bike and I’ve owned a few different ones. This one is a whole package 👍
Thanks
Rick
Thx for that Ric - looks like your getting better weather up there than We are down South
Yeah mate it nothing to complain about at the moment that’s for sure. However like I say I’m in London frequently as I have a home there and the company I work for is in London. So get the best of both or the worst 😂 (for the last 25 years)
And my pleasure and glad you enjoyed the vid! Excellent idea thanks to you!
Hi Ricardo!
Thank you for all these enriching videos!
I'm about to buy this bike to replace my 2015 1290
I have a question about the saddle adjustment. I'm tall, and when I tested the bike at my dealer the seat in the high position and fell back on its own twice in a row to the low position, while riding! Did you have this problem? It seems that ktm knows about it, but for the moment this problem is not corrected. You who already own this bike, do you think it is possible to fix it with a "temporary tweak" while ktm is doing a recall? Thanks in advance!
Hell my friend! Thanks for watching and enjoying the short videos. Much appreciated.
I am very well aware of the problem for this seat for tall riders. And that for a lot of people is it always falls into the low seat setting. I have looked at the seat structure and how it is held in place. It seems a very poor design at both the front fixing and also at the rear fixing. I have made a short video to help explain what I mean and will upload shortly.
Unfortunately I do not have an idea how to temporary fix this issue. As any fix I can see would require "damaging" the seat. And this would risk possible KTM rejecting a warranty claim if they have fixed the issue and have new seats available. I would suggest you hold on and do not modify.
I know this is a pain and not what you want to hear. I just cannot see a way of actually fixing the seat without drilling or cutting the seat in any way.
Anyway I will put a short clip up shortly to show what I mean. And you can see at your own leisure. As I know at the dealers you will not be taking the time to investigate seat problems.. Hope it helps (even if it doesn't fix it sorry)
Video : ua-cam.com/video/p_HUW8vYUOU/v-deo.html
Thanks again
Ric
Hey SonyX - Check out this solution it might help if you have not seen already
ua-cam.com/video/cTdVLOPbEGE/v-deo.html
Thanks
Kudos to you for not letting it get in the way.
haha cheers mate.. Never give up! Thats what I always say 🙂
Hi Ricardo. Thanks for the video. What are those cables under the passenger seat in time 6:26? This is for GoPro or something like that? I need charging batteries for my GoPro and DJI Drone in my Tailbag and i try to find some elegant solution. Greetings from Czech Republic :-)
Hi again mate. No those cables at the back of my seat are for my Optimate3 battery charger/optimiser which I keep connected to the bike when in the garage! However the same priniciple would apply for an extra charge lead. Without having to tap into any other bike cables or use any other accessory points. A straight forward way would be the same as my optimate cable which is connected direct to the battery. I would use one of these if I were to need rear end charge points for a 5v 2.1 amp usb charge requirement. Have a look and check for yourself though. When not in use you can disconnect it and attached the waterproof cap. (same as my charge connection).
Have a look at the current ebay item 393398264103 (See what you think). Simply run to the rear under the passenger seat?
Great to hear from more international riders!
Thanks
Ric!
@@RicardoYeep I also have a charger Optimate and will use the same method. Thanks for your advice :-)
Good stuff mate. Yes it was recommended with these bikes as they have a lot of electronics and tech that it is wise to keep them on a battery tender when not in use. These bikes have a lot of demand on battery. And will help maintain the life of the battery longer. Particularly if people only use the bike for short periodic journeys! Thanks again! Cheers Ric 👍
@@RicardoYeep Yes! I absolutely agree!
Hi thanks for video - what sat nav & mount are you using ?
Hiya Chrissy! I have the new Garmin Zumo XT and the mount is the KTM official SATNAV mount 👍
Hope that helps. And thanks for watching mate. Anything else just drop a message.
Cheers
Ric
@@RicardoYeep your a star - cheers pal
No worries pal!
Thanks for this, ive been looking at the 890 but I really want the 1290 :)
Hiya Stuart! Nice to hear from you. I got to say I do love the 890 and for what I’ll use it for it’s probably more appropriate. However the 1290 is just grin factor all the way. I’ve no regrets in my choice. Just a beast of a bike 🫣👍😂
Thanks for this video! I am looking to purchase the 1290R and my only misgiving is the height. Thanks for the info!
Hiya mate! No problem and thanks for commenting. The R is tall as it’s needed for the ground clearance making it a more of an off road machine 👍
Hi, I’m Stephan from Montreal, Canada 🇨🇦
I was wondering I’m 5,6 also and I should get my KTM next week, have you change the handlebars position? I know they are adjustable, ….
Thank you!
Hell Stephane! Great to hear from you and congrats on the new machine 💪
I have tried different positions but personally I have found the standard position (dead centre marking) the ideal position.
I don’t find any issues at all. I come from a triumph tiger and they had quite a long reach compared to this bike where the bars are already much closer (like a dirt bike feel). You will need to see how you feel. But nope I kept mine stock 👌
Hope to hat helps and great to hear from a Canadian!! 👍
Have a good one
Ric
Great videos Ric, I’ve just purchased the same bike here in Australia and did my first ride on the weekend. My issue is opposite, I’m a taller rider with the seat on the higher setting, but when I sit forward on the seat, the seat pops out of the groove it sits in, very frustrating on a new machine.
Keep up the videos 👍
Hey up Sean! Thank you kindly sir on the feedback. Much appreciated and good to know I am helping out. So your one of the verically blessed ! Yeah I hear about the seating issue for taller riders. You should go back to the dealer and get it sorted if you can. I know for a fact that KTM pulled off all there accessory seating options with the exception of about 2 seats due to this problem. Its a nown problem that in the high position the standard seat just clicks back down once weight it applied after a while. I am not sure they have resolved this or even know for sure it relates to why they pulled 90% of their seat offerings from the oline catalgue. ( I know as I had already ordered a low seat but once I had the bike decided to check out the heated passenger seats and saw nearly all their seats removed from the online parts... Dealer also agreed with me), I am still now 2 months on waiting for my heated seat (LOW) and not sure when I am getting it yet. Deffo check with your dealer regarding this problem. KTM in my opinion should be offering to give you a new one when the or if they resolve this or at least maje a note on the system you are waiting for it if they do (under warranty). cheers again and thanks for dropping in from that amazing land down under !!!! Cheers Ric
Yes I will be
@@seanb2397 Like you I'm a taller rider, so have ordered the higher seat which is +14mm i think... code is 61907940025... All being well that will help to stretch the legs out a bit. Like Ric it is on back order in UK
@@ibiza130bikes Cheers mate, yes I’ve looked to the tall seat option but like everywhere there are no spares for this bike yet available, especially in AUS, but thanks anyway, appreciate any advice to make the riding experience better
Ok, Rico just got the dreaded preloader error on my new KTM 1290 s just reached 400 miles.. do you have any tips or.ideas
Hiya! Usually low battery. Leave on trickle charge. These bikes suck juice.
Turn bike off for a minute. Restart (not on centre stand).
Main thing is keeping battery optimum.
If this doesn’t clear it then might be genuine issue for a dealer under warranty.
I think it will clear though. Just ensure when starting , it’s not on centre stand, and after pressing “grey” race on button you let it settle and complete its “on” cycle before hitting the ignition.
Fingers crossed 🤞
This is an inspirational video for me.
It amazes me how you raise the bike with the stand, I have to get almost dancing on top.
Hey Enrique! Cheers for watching and hope it was entertaining haha. Yes it’s very easy with the right technique I guess. This bike requires no effort at all to get on centre stand! Maybe your approach is a little off possibly. No joke I nearly threw the bike about 1 feet backwards when I first launched it onto the stand! 😆😆
Wow... dude- super human strength! 😂
💪💪💪 😂😂😂😂 lol those years of owning a triumph and their centre stands has finally paid off 😂
Good info.. anyway… may i know what brand of trouse u wear ?.. the size.. i m also 5 6.. with the weight around 70 kg.. but it very hard for me to look for the right size inseam of 30 in that really fit for the length.. tq
Hello Sir! Thanks for watching my stuff! The trouser brand is Rukka and the model is Armaxion. And C1 means short leg in their sizing. I am a 32 inch waist and 30 inch leg. So with this Swedish brand I take trouser size EU size 50 C1 , they fit me perfectly and enough to move around on the bike. 5 year warranty too ! They do different models as well. Mine are old now and they have more on offer! Try them on at a store if you can 👍 cheers Ric
I think the side stand could be altered by soldering a notch for easier grip
Yeah for sure that is always an option! :)
@@RicardoYeep may I ask you were are you from originally. I mean I gather by your English that you were born in England but your name is Spanish
Thank you for this great video’s
I’m new here an subscribed to your channel,
Im 165 cm and i had a lowered from factory r1200 gs lc 2015.
I hope ktm all so can bring some options like. that,
I have to question for you,
How tall are you in cm
Can you do a video of the akrapovic with high quality sound where you ride agressive on the road/ offroad i want to hear the fly by sound.
You deserve more views and subscribers man
Love from the Netherlands
Hello my friend and thank you for the kind words and enjoying my channel 🤝 it is a very young channel indeed (not like these big boys will millions of subscribers haha). But I enjoy it and it’s new and fun for me which is what makes me do it 👍
To answer your question I am 166cm with 74cm inside leg. Yes I’m short 😆
The bike I have is all standard with seat on lowest setting. I am waiting for my low heated seat to arrive which will lower more by 1cm. It’s a very light feeling bike to manoeuvre due to the low down fuel tanks! Handles like an 800 in my opinion. Not like a big 1300!
Yeah I’m going to do a full my ownership review soon and will be blasting around the Peak District at some point. I’ll make sure I try to get some aggressive fly by exhaust notes for you 👍😎😎
Again cheers for the comment! And for subscribing! Much appreciated. Any other video suggestions do feel free to let me know!! And a big hello back to the Netherlands!!! Always love hearing from other countries ! Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep Dear Friend, the r1200 gs lg was very good balanced because of the heavy boxers on the sides it was very easy to ride.
i have intrest to buy the Africa twin adventure sports or the Kim 1290r super adventure R,
biggest problems are the hight of the motorcycles.
We will definitely follow your channel I like how you do things by your self, a real motorcyclist must know everything of his own motorcycle.
I'm a motorcycle diehard lover and have my own channel where I upload video's about motorcycle's.
you are in one word '' Awesome,,
Hello again mate! Yes the BMW are a very well made bike and that’s why they are popular no doubt! And the boxer engine has the low centre of gravity. I like bmw GS but for me a bit too bulky.
As for the Africa twin amazing bike and nearly bought one a year ago. But I could fit the Adventure Sport we crazy tall! I mean I couldn’t even get a leg over it was ridiculous. So nearly had the standard AT instead. Nearly….
Out of all the dual sport bikes around right now. It’s was a very close decision between the latest Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro and the KTM 1290 SAS. I actually ordered the triumph and cancelled 2 weeks before delivery! And bought the KTM instead. The tiger has won so many awards!! You must look up review by Steve Kamrad on UA-cam about the 900 Rally Pro.
Anyway I chose the 1290 💪💪💪
And thanks again for following. I value the support!
Many thanks
Ric
@@RicardoYeep Best Friend, your decision was very good, 1290 is the go on this moment, one friend of me have the africatwin 1100 adventure sports and the newer model is lowered in the seat hight, I fit with two feet on the ground and of course not total flat on the ground, but safe enough to hold the bike.
i want to choose between this 3 bikes.
ktm andventure r 1290 2021
Honda africa twin 11 adventure sport
honda Xadv 750 2021
the last one is so nice for the city driving and going ounce outside the city.
@@BarbaryStudio Hello and good to hear from you again. You have 3 very different bikes there to choose. The 1290S a seriously powerful dual sport bike very close to superbike performances as much as an ADV can. A middle cappacity 750cc and a heavily biased offroad 1100cc. You need to see what you will use the bike mostly I think. But more important which one give you the "buzz" feeling even just looking at it when parked up. Not just from practial reasons. Go with your gut instinct. All I can say this S model is everything and more that the reviews say. Its the best thing out in a long time as an all rounder! Cheers Ric
Man, I was riding in the low setting. My back started to hurt because I was curving my back while riding. Today, some flowers fell between the seat. Oh, surprise! There are two settings, for crying out loud! Haha, I should have taken the R. 😂 thanks for the video pal!
Man thanks for this video :)
No problem my friend! Thank you for the comment! cheers Ric!!
Hi Ricardo! How does it feel moving or duking it around in traffic and tight parking spots compared to last Gen?
Hi Ricardo!! 🤣 (not often I get to say that here in uk) . Anyway to answer your question unfortunately I cannot compare to previous gen. I chose not to buy previous gen due to the geometry and being short was not suitable for daily central London commuting. I need to filter and man handle the bike in and out of traffic Jams and stationary vehicles. So I needed to be very aware of my capabilities and the bike.
I am very experienced in London traffic after 25 years. And also ridden tall bikes where I can only just tip toe for the last 8 years. I usually ride one foot on peg and one on the floor when stopped. But for me the previous gen was too much. In addition to it being a heavy bike.
I can only speak from experience as a short rider in and city commuter. This new model is crazy good!
The new geometry already makes the bike fraction lower, but with a low seat option for me makes an extra benefit. Obviously if your tall thus is irrelevant.
But also the big difference compare top previous model is the excellent low centre of gravity as there is no fuel tank on top. The fuel is kept mainly at the base near the engine cases and partially down each side of the bike. It feels more like an 800 than a 1300. That’s the most prevalent to me. The height I can cope but the low cog makes a world of difference in low speed manoeuvres !
You must really have a go to see what I mean. Not sure that really answer your question but is best I can do .
Thanks
Ric 👍
@@RicardoYeep yeap I'm not really tall and actually is the biggest problem I have with the '18 so I hardly use it in the city but I'd love to use it a bit more for everyday riding so yeah this sounds lovely, sadly I still have to wait until Feb to get mine
Ah I see! Yes I agree is a shame not to be making better use of a beautiful bike. Get the value out of it more.
Like I say I am a shorty with a 29/30 inch inside leg. If I can manage in rush hour central London then anyone can. 👍
Have you now got the low seat heated from power parts? Do you feel it comfortable in longer tours?
Hello mate! Good to hear from you. Yeah thr power parts seats are definitely comfier than stock. The heated bit also a big bonus on the winter rides. I wouldn't be without it.
Definitely recommend the upgrade if you can stretch to the added costs. The stock seats are a but firm and I'm reasonably hardy. So for me to be moving around after 3 hours in the saddle something must be up 😃
@@RicardoYeep thanks a lot
Hey did you lowered your bike(suspension)??
Hi Kevin thank you for dropping in! no the bike is all factory standard ! They are really great bikes. Have you got one or thinking about one? You can buy low seat too for an extra 1cm lower in height too! Cheers Ric
Hey I'll get my new bike next week.its the ktm adv 390 it's a really tall bike 855mm,and I'm like 5'4,with 29.5 inseam.I'm a little worried 🥲
Hey congrats on the new bike! Brilliant! Yes that’s a little tall but not crazy tall. I understand the seat on the 390 is fixed and doesn’t adjust (I might be wrong). Your first option and cheapest is just practice and build confidence and experience on handling the bike as it comes. One foot down and one foot on the opposite foot peg. Learn to adapt an quickly slide to the opposite foot of you need to. I will admit that it can be awkward when needing to walk the bike in traffic or backwards if need to. Most likely you’ll need to get off the bike if you can’t reverse it.
Other option and maybe the one you will choose. KTM do a lowering spring kit for this very same reason. It lowers the bike by 25mm make the bike now 830mm much more user friendly !
Is it 2021 model ?
KTM part number
95812955044
Have a look and see what you think. It maybe worth the extra little cost of makes your riding more enjoyable 👍
Hope that’s helps mate. Thanks Ric
Ya here in India we have lowering kit for adv 390 but I'm not going to lower my bike.I think I'll get used to it pretty fast 😁.Any way keep up the good work Richard and if you can,do a video like this with gs 1250cuz that's my dream ride.Anyway❤️from India
@@Kevin-hq6nj excellent my friend!! And always a pleasure to strike up a new conversation with another person from another part of the world 🤝👍🙏! Cheers Ric
Did you also add riser on the bars to bring the closer ?
Hello Isak. Nope no risers. Even as short rider I feel the this needs 1290 is really good geometry for me. Bars already close enough. In comparison to a tiger 800 anyway where the bars are a little further away 👍
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Ric
Hi Ric. I've got the 2020 SAS and I find that pretty tall. I think the 2021 is actually a bit lower though.
Hiya Dan. Yes mate the 2021 is indeed lower. I almost had a 2020 as they were going at some good bargain deals but ended up paying the extra for a 21 for this among the other reasons. The bike actually feels like a smaller bike too and so well balanced due to the bladder tanks! Cheers Ric
Do you ever mount it like a horse while on the stand to get your leg over the rear top bag? My DRZ400 is too tall for me to just swing a leg over from the ground. Maybe you do some yoga to improve your flexibility 😅
Morning mate… yep 👍 that’s the main way I usually mount the bike regardless of luggage or not. I’ve done this on all my adventure bikes. Occasionally I’ve hurdled one leg over the rider seat but it’s not my ideal method 😁
Wow, thanks for this man. We are of the same height and inseam. around 29" and maybe 30 on a good day. 😅
Great video. Thank you, Sir.
Any time Jeffrey! Glad you found it useful 👍
Cheers
Ric
I agree the bike looks massive but when you’ve got one it’s surprising how easy it is to work with.
hello! query... how tall are you? in CM. Thank you
Hello mate! Thanks for watching and dropping a message. I am 5ft 6inch with 29/30 inch inside leg.. Hope that helps. Thanks Ric
I'm a little taller at 5.79 feet and while I'm sure your comfortable maybe i need to sit on one to find out if i will be. That's my one dilemma, well that and tire wear. I can flat foot my r1200r just and that's is kind of confidence inspiring especially when maneuvering at very slow speeds.
Hi Ric Could you set the preload to low, then reset when you are mounted
Hello John thanks for watching and the comment. As for the preload I have been sat on the bike and changed settings however I can’t say I have actually been in motion whilst playing with it. It’s something I would have been doing whilst stopped. However personally I don’t see much difference in leg or foot to floor ability by removing all the preload. The only time I’ve noticed is with additional weight like a pillion. It does make it much easier to foot both on the ground. However as a solo rider I Personally don’t see much difference whilst sat on it. But a massive difference when riding and the softness of the ride. Don’t get the impression by backing off all the pre load you can lower the bike. It’s really immaterial in that respect personally speaking. I’ve tried it!
Cheers
Ric
@@RicardoYeep was not thinking of riding with the preload set to low just for getting on and putting the side stand up, l sat on one in the shop and could not get both toes down so could not reach the side stand, l am so tempted to still get one and adapt to it
All the best
John
@@johnhavercroft9803 no worries. Again not worth the effort of the process. You will not notice much difference. You’ll still be tip toeing. Also did you make sure that the seat was tested on the low setting. Sometimes the dealers are crap at setting the seat correctly I’ve found 👍
Well done Sir.
Thank you Mike!! Appreciated thanks 🙏
Can anyone confirm that the 2021 has a lower seat height than the 2017-2020? And how much it is lower? (The specs state the 2021 is .5 inches lower but KTM is often incorrect in their seat height specs. ) Thanks
I can confirm the seat is definitely lower. But not sure by how much as I only have the 2021. However I am short arse at 5ft 6inch (with a 29 inch inseam).. I can just tip toe if I need both feet down. But usually ride one foot flat and one on the peg anyway.
You can also get a Power Parts Low seat option too.
Cheers
Ric
¡Gracias!, muy útil antes de comprar.
Saludos.
Hello my friend! Thank you 🙏. Pleased it was useful 👍
Thanks
Ric
Will that seat work 2022 model. Can you share the ref nu for the seat please?
Hi Art.. What seat are you meaning please. I have a few seats from the power parts catalogue. I have the low one piece ergo, and the low heated riders seat. Cheers Ric
@@RicardoYeep heated one would be appreciated. I need the lowest possible 🙏
@@artshi2664 hiya here it is mate. Low heated riders seat.
61907940015
Be aware that the stitching is orange so will not match the stock pillion seat. So you may want to get the pillion power parts seat too.
The heated power parts pillion seat is part number
61907947005
Hope that helps 👍
@@RicardoYeep Thank you very much
@@RicardoYeep I want to risk it and buy it. One more question: if I still feel uncomfortable will I find more options to lower it?
Hello. I am 5'5 and my inseam is 29''-30''. Do you think that I would be able to ride KTM 1290 Super Adventure R? I tried few tall bike but not this tall. It has Seat height of 880mm which is 34.64 inches. I dont mind putting only one foot down I am used to it.
Hello Michael! Thanks for dropping a message. I have to be honest and say it depends on the persons experience and confidence with regards to short guys and tall bikes. If I say it’s too tall then am sure some pint sized chap will shoot me down and tell me he rides like chris birch around the streets of London in rush hour no problem 😂… so here’s my two cents… I have the same inside leg as you. I’m used to riding a taller bike than this SAS I have now (the tiger XC) was taller. I think at 840 on its lowest setting. I am fine commuting around London in traffic and man handling it. Always aware one foot down and other on the leg. And always aware I might be putting a foot down in a worn part of the road or a dip. As this can take you by surprise and cause you to go over!! I’ve done this for donkey years so am ok with it. I found it a right handful off-road where times you need feet down in the slow stuff and really struggled and come off when a taller chap wouldn’t….. now after saying that. The SAR is a bloody tall bike and taller than the Tiger XC. Personally speaking of course I would not buy the SAR. If your a short guy and your just buying it because of the paint scheme it’s a bad move I think. If your never going to go off road and I mean gnarly off road. I don’t mean gravel trails. Then you should get the S. You’ll be safer on it, still have a one foot down one on the leg policy. But not so much. Plus you get all the bells and whistles which am sure you already know (I won’t list) that the SAR doesn’t get. In fact to be quite blunt. Even if I were 6ft I’d still not buy the SAR after thinking about it (initially I did want one). I’d never get value from it and considering it cost more and you effectively get less you can take advantage of it would not be worth it in my opinion. Again for me I’m talking about !
Cheers Ric
for what it’s worth I’m doing a two day rally event of around 600km on the SAS and am confident it will be fine as long as I’m not stupid 👍
@@RicardoYeep Thank you Ric for your quick response. I think so as well. Some short guys will say they are the best riders on the planet and when you see them it is horrible to look at. I am glad that you wrote me your honest opinion on this topic because as you said some people especially short men think they can ride everything which I think is wrong but fair enough 90% of motorcycle out there has seat height not more than 840mm. I had for 2 months borrowed 2020 BMW S1000RR which has seat height 830mm and I got used to it very quickly. I always wanted Adventure bike because in the future I want to travel on my motorcycle to different countries maybe with my future girlfriend and Adventure bike gives you little bit of everything. You can ride 100+ miles on the road or off the road without any problem. To be honest I like the R version more because it looks more muscular and It is bigger bike so I think my mind is telling me that it will be more capable in off road conditions and better all around. I am not planning going on gnarly off road but when there is some harsh terrain I would like to manage it without worrying of getting stuck like it happened to me with my current naked motorcycle. I was thinking of getting even the new BMW R1250 GS Adventure which has 850mm so it isnt so much taller than the KTM or Honda Africa Twin but I dont know mate what do you think. It is hard to choose from all these amazing motorcycles. So when I will get money I should get SAS instead of SAR. And If I made a mistake inn writting I am sorry but English is not my first language I am still learning but I want to make videos in English to practise it
Hello Michael I know what you mean about the s1000RR as this is the same as my older R1 (seat height 830mm). However the adventure bikes are a different ball park. Its not just about seat height but the centre of gravity as ADV bikes are taller and fuel tank (generally) higher up and also carry more fuel (weight). So bear this in mind if you dont go for a 1290 (that has split fuel tank bladders low down). But I must point out the SAR and the SAS are identical apart from 3 main things, Wheels, Suspension and Software. And I hear it all the time about the SAR being better off road and an all round bike. I agree 100% if you are using it as a heavy off road tool. But I can go on my bike (SAS) anywhere a SAR can go. It just means I need to be more careful is all. And to be honest I will probably be using my SAS more off road than some people who buy SARS. Just have a good think about what you will mainly be using it for. As the SAR is a SURGEON and is a dedicated specialist tool for hard core adventure riding. The kind of off road where you probably accept the bike will go down and you know you will be picking it up.... Proper off road where is bloody hard going and you are wanting to stand a lot. If all your going to be doing is "riding" on dirt trails but class that as enough to justify the SAR then I think you may be missing out on a lot. Like Semi active suspension, Adaptive cruise control, And a more sports orientated geometry which the SAS offers. And is cheaper!!! You can always add the SAR accessories like I have if you like a more aggressive look. But if you buy the SAR I would guess its not as easy to add the things the SAS has if at all. The SAS is like a GP (local Dr) that can do a bit of everything and does it very well. Choice is yours :)
GS another great bike, and tried and tested. Good reputation and lots of Support around for it. But it will not reward you I dont think with the same level of rider fun. The 1290 Vtwin engine is an animal. Its like a race bike. Its like comparing a Volvo with a Subaru, The GS will probably (I hate to say it) last a bit longer but the the KTM will keep you smiling for longer :) (if your a racebike guy),
Honda Africa twin again nice bike, I nearly had one. Cant beat Honda build quality usually. But I think the AF are sluggish and slow in comparison. But to be fair they are much smaller engined than the 1290 and the GS.
Cheers
Ric
PS your English is perfect! :)
@@RicardoYeep Hello Ric thank you for your detailed answers. You give other people informations more detailed in the comment section than other people give informations in their Morotcycle Reviews. Based on your answers I think what I will get as my next motorcycle whenever it might be is the KTM 1290 SAS. It is more fun than the GS and Africa Twin It can do most maybe all of the things other motorcycles I mentioned can do and in many things It can be better than them. You are correct If I like certain accessories of the SAR I can add it myself later on.
By The Way good luck to you and Your friends if you go with them on your two day rally event and have a wonderful time.
I am glad my English is not the worst :D
Take Care
Thank you Michael! appreciated. But please do try out the bikes you mentioned for yourself. You may be very surprised and find the bike you least expected to be the one is your favourite (maybe).. What I shared was just my opinion after my own research and riding habbits/needs. :)
Thanks
Ric
You handle it like your 6'.2"
I really like the Ktm but after riding the low suspension Bmw GSA.
The Ktm height is a deal breaker. Bummer.
Hiya bud! That’s a shame did you consider the low seat option on the ktm? This reduces reach by about another 15mm roughly. I use one. I still don’t flat foot it though but I’ve never flat footed any bike either 👍
Got my new bike today and took 30 minutes to get the front seat back on😳🤣
Hey up Dave! congrats on the new bike mate. New bike day, you can beat it :)
As for the seat hahahaha... I can 100% relate to that :)
All the best, Ric
@@RicardoYeep and my iPhone 12 pro max doesn’t fit in the storage bin 😢
@@RicardoYeep The bike is going back to the dealer tomorrow as the quick shifter doesn’t work even though it’s showing up on the dashboard and it says it’s on 😢
Height in cm?
Hello ! Thanks for watching the video.
The standard spec per manual for the seat height on the 2021 model is 84.9cm lowest setting with standard issue seat. The standard issue Seat in highest setting is 86.9cm
My size leg (inside leg) 🦵 measures 76.2 cm
I hope that helps 👍
Also there is an optional extra low seat accessory which lowers this further.
@@RicardoYeep i appreciate the rplies....i suggest you to make ur voice more audible.
Hello there! Thank you for the positive advice. I agree and you are not the first to say this unfortunately. I am new on the UA-cam public scene and I am learning every time I post a new video. And understand a lot of viewers English is either a second or third language or not at all. But I will try and speak a lot louder and clearer in my future videos! Thanks mate!
Cheers
Ric