@Sam Guevenne but she is only for the sake if balance. 9 major Aedras and 18 major Daedras. I think the rules were that there were twice as many Daedras than Aedras. If there were three more Major Daedras that came out of nowhere then the wheel is imbalanced. Meaning that either another divine deity will rise or Meridia will be divine.
Y'all are so uneducated, jyggalag is obviously the thiccest daedra. Bih was so thicc all of the other daedra had to seal him/her (idfk daedras are genderless aliens)
@@sylph4252 Well yes. There is plenty of awesome and interesting lore in TES, but i just find how the dunmer are so philosophically different, and how that affects their culture super interesting.
that would be cool and we have the perfect fighting arena the Maelstrom Arena make the princes run the arena and fight each other Fa-Nuit-Hen would love it.
Some interesting shrine art of the Dunmer", with the tribunal/saints with their anticipations/good daedra 10:42 Sotha Sil and Azura 11:09 Vivec (all two of him) and Mephala 11:22 Almalexia and Boethiah
Fudgemuppet, you should make a video comparing Ulfric and Vivec, because it is scary how many similarities they have: They are both the de-facto but not official rulers of the province in which their game is based. They both have a rocky relationship with the Empire. They both want what's best for their own race, but less so for the other races, and the Argonions have it especially bad. In the city that they rule from, outsiders have to live in one section. They both wield power derived from Tonal Arcitecture. They both came to power after killing the previous leader, but nobody can agree on the exact details, and whether or not they murdered them. They're both willing to make sacrifices to preserve what power they have: Ulfric will give up Riften in the peace talks in order to kick out the Thalmor, and Vivec gave Tiber Septim the Numidium in order to secure more autonomy for Morrowind.
No. Tonal architecture had nothing to do with the thu'um and neither are the thu'um and the heart of lorkhan related. Different powers. Very different.
Yes the powers are different but they’re source is similar. On a superficial level the names are both sound related, shouting and tonal architecture. What they both allow is for the users to rewrite the laws of nature. When you shout you’re willing something into existence like frost, fire, a storm, clearing the sky, becoming ethereal, making animals not pissed at you etc. all without using your magicka pool. Tonal architecture does the same thing it’s how the dwarves built their complicated metal alloy that no one in modern Tamriel can replicate. The dwarven metal was used to build everything in dwarven society from their weapons of war, buildings, automatons, and all the way down to their pots and pans. And these constructs are still standing in the 4th era with no decay/rust. It’s because tonal architecture allowed them to change the laws of nature and create a super metal.
@@95Bartlett you'd think Dwarven weapons would be better, all things considered. Hell, if it can change the very *laws* of nature, it could do a lot more then just make a superalloy, especially in our world. The speed of causality is a law of nature, and it's the only thing holding light back from going infinitely fast.
@@roadhouse6999 he got it wrong... He meant to say Tonal Magic. tonal architecture is a subset of tonal magic just as Thu'um is a subset of tonal magic. They are both derived from Tonal Magic, but otherwise completely unrelated. We also have sword singing and green singing derived from Tonal Magic.... but hell if I know what any of it means.
i feel the common interpretations of the good daedra are the result of idealistic ideas of morality, whereas someone with a realistic view would quickly recognize how important they are so here are a few questions: is it not good to end or prevent a war, which could cost thousands of lives, by murdering one king? is it not good to take up arms to rise above and dethrone a despot or an incompetent king? is it not good to humble the wicked and provide guidance to the faithful?
They have some mod that makes all the female Daedra and Aedra statues look really... sultry. I frankly can't stand it. Especially super-busty Mara, it looks so out of place.
The dunmer faith is very similar to ancient Turkic beliefs. Azura for example is straight up a reference for the spirit Umay. Aspect of motherhood and discipline.
While my favorite TES race is the Argonians, I find the Dunmer to be the most interesting TES and easily one of the most interesting Elves in all of fiction. Everything about their society and culture is just fascinating, especially their Faith. Hell, TES: Morrowind was the most creative Bethesda's been in decades now.
@@SingingSealRiana well mostly in game she just hates the undead, she's kind of a weird daedra in the fact that she may actually be a magna ge who just influences oblivion rather than a true daedra their sphere according to some sources is life and energy(whatever that means)
That explains why my character in Skyrim... A Dunmer... Always takes any opportunity to do quests for daedras, including Molac Bal, but is always insulting the evil daedra...
So the padomaic theology which then derived into dunmer's reclamation myth centers around similar existential philosophy of Nietzsche, on how those three supposed daedric princes were to represent the act of nobility, of dunmer becoming masters not the slaves (well this can be taken out literally when they're also enslaving argonians XD). But it's a pretty interesting take, and I would see how the Anuic theology represent what Nietzsche have been criticizing the most, of treating existence as mere suffering and imprisonment.
I created an old orc build, but you have to play very carefully because this build as well as that random encounter of the old orc. our character seeks a good death however if we die it is considered permanent death
Elder Scrolls 6 is getting released in 2025. It's based in Hammerfell and High Rock, and its main quest has a lot to do with the Direnni adamantine tower.
@@dorkydragon5055 a bit? He's just the deadra of all bad things. God of rape etc. Let's not forget he raped a woman to death, just because he was mad at Arkay.
Hircine does too. He mourns the prey but the predator has to eat too. It's brutal but that's just nature and the circle of life. He respects and admires when prey outwits the predator.
I'm in the boat that the lessons these Daedra offer are good, but as every religion has good lessons to take from. Yet, blind faith will always bring about ruin. Even Boethia warns about that.
Fun fact, that story with Trinimac getting eaten by Boethia also involved Boethia shitting Trinimac out eventually, which some of his followers rubbed said shit on themselves, Trinimac ended up turning into Malacath and his followers became the orcish people
Thank you Scott of FudgeMuppet for this interesting view of the Daedra. It is refreshing to see historical & cultural context and discuss the subjectivity of the meaning behind terms “good” or “evil.” There is usually 2 or more sides to any story. I am really unsure what Daedra or Aedra I would personally choose, given all the knowledge I have gained about them over time. Sometimes, I envision some kind of Dark Crystal situation, where 2 halves (good/bad aspects) were torn asunder (perhaps during the time of the Ehlnofey) would, at a prophecies time, rejoin your become 1. That was a cool concept. But it wouldn’t work for this lore construction & the imbalance between the 2 sides.
Azura cursed the whole dunmer people when three reached transcendence. Vivec even reaches CHIM (the whole point of the psijic endeavor). Perhaps they went about it the wrong way but they are the only three we know of who have actually come close to completing lorkahn’s wish for mortals
Phh, don't tell me to keep an open mind without my brain breaking, I've been to the Shivering Isles! And as for your "Good" Daedra the fact is if they were that good how much better must Jyggalag have been?
Azura, Meridia, Nocturnal and Sanguine would be the only Daedra that care about their followers and make the world a better place in some ways. Even then they are self absorbed and rather than appreciate mortals obedience they expect it.
Man, the house of reclamations had some of the greatest artifacts imo. Ebony Mail, Ebony Blade and The Black Star? Badass combination! And that's just what you could get in skyrim 😁
I would say that there are daedra that while considered evil may just be neutral and to some of these daedra the saying what can be given can also be taken away can apply, Peryite is an example of this as one of his worshippers is Kesh the clean who you get Peryite’s quest from
Dagon (forgive me for not spelling his first name) is the only Deadra I consider to be utterly neither good nor evil. To stain him, is to stain change itself, to rage against a hurricane. It's like the Chaos Gods of Warhammer
Meridia is far from good. She is the patron deity of the Ayleids - who many consider the most evil race on Tamriel - she is completely opposed to free will, and even her own champion says that you shouldn't trust her.
@@Xolcm Darien? He's one of the better written parts of ESOs main quests. At first he seems to be a bad cliche but eventually becomes a memorable character and tragic figure.
Meridia is definitely up there Along with Azura and Nocturnal And you can make the argument some aren’t evil but acting out nature Peryite for example is the prince of natural order. What he does good or bad isn’t because of his alignment but because it’s nature and has to happen that way
Thank you for more Morrowind lore! This one had bothered me because I don't like doing 2 out of 3 quests for these daedra. Please do more videos about TES III. I love the overhauled game.
The Psijic Endeavor or the Tri-Angled Truth, perhaps the Tribunal thought they had achieved it, they thought they had surpassed their gods. What does any new god try to achieve in most legends, they try to denounce or even remove from the common mind any aspects of the old gods. Even though the Tribunal were very powerful by mortal standards, it just shows that the true gods of the world still far out shine them if one god was able to plant the seeds for their downfall, through the actions of one blessed "mortal" (should the Nerevarine even be considered mortal? not sure). Just a thought.
The Nerevarine never was the cause of the tribunal's downfall rather than Dagoth Ur surviving the betrayal in the Red Mount. In TES III Azura was seizing an opportunity set for her a long time ago to reassert her own cult in a situation where protagonists deeply understood that the Tribunal was destined to end except maybe Almalexia. The reason why we succeed in TES III is because Azura and Vehk interests coincide for the first time. Vehk wanting to destroy the heart of Lorkhan to stop the propagation of the corprus and kill Dagoth Ur, the Sharmat and Azura wanting to destroy the heart of Lorkhan to be adored again by the Dunmer. But the other nerevarines before us didn't had that chance. Every other attempts of Azura were failures. That said, the Tribunal were not just powerful by mortal standards but even for the daedric princes. Almalexia's fight on the ruins of Mournhold, Baar Dau the ministry of truth, the four-score war or the coldharbour compact are examples among many of how power flows in the relationships between the daedric princes and the Tribunal. Beyond political concerns Vivec and Sotha Sil have probably achieved an understanding of their own world (from Nirn to the Void beyond Oblivion) the daedric princes are unable to achieve because of the fact that the power and wisdom achieved by struggling in Nirn are of a greater value than what is achievable in Aetherius or Oblivion. Vivec knowing about the future appearance of Talos the God centuries before Tiber Septim was born by (maybe) having access to a seemingly out of time "non-spatial space" is an excellent example of how psijic endeavor's path to power differ from the subaltern power of the et'ada (from the gods in aetherius to the eight divines and the daedric princes). Another example of the power achieved through Mundus is the fact that: if the et'ada are certainly immensely powerful in terms of knowledge and magical power, in the case of the Daedric Princes, more than the fact that they don't really outshine the Tribunal, they don't outshine the mortals either. And of all those not all powerful Daedric Princes, from Dwemer scientists exposing her limits to chimer generals surprising her, Azura is not Mephala. Just like the psijics I prefer to assume that the et'ada when they're not in Aetherius are just absurdly overpowered magic-using spirits. ^^
Speaking of the Good Daedra, maybe you could consider a video on the Four Corners of the House of Troubles, FudgeMuppet? At least in Morrowind, the Four Corners are not purely detrimental forces, they serve their purpose of testing the Dunmer people. In the game Morrowind, the Temple quest line even includes a pilgrimage to each of the Four Corners' shrines. Especially Molag Bal has gotten quite the bad press in the recent past, also in your videos. This however seems to neglect the "good" he has done, for example apparently granting CHIM to Vivec, and curing the Nerevarine of vampirism.
But what about lore adding to ES from mods, would be nice to hear your take on it and how plausible those big mods are in regards to established lore. Mods like Falskaar, Midwood or Maids 2 Deception.
I have an interesting question that could help me out a lot if properly explained. Is there ever mention of a mortal creating life with a spell or practice? See, my friends and I are in the midst of an Elder Scrolls D&D Campaign where I play the role of an Argonian Necromancer, Saliish. Saliish is interesting compared to other Necromancers as he doesn't just study Necromancy. Recently he has begged the question of if it were possible to create an entirely new being with a magical practice or spell. He already knows that creating a mindless being is somewhat possible with the use of Necromancy and Flesh magic but he seeks to create a mortal, one who can be seen as just an average individual. The main reason he wishes to accomplish this is so that he can gain a fallowing and rise to a possible higher power. I was simply wondering if such a feat was ever explain in Elder Scrolls and if so, how.
Probably if I was in the Elder Scrolls universe, I would give my faith to Azura and i would be open minded with Boethiah, Hircine, Nocturnal and Mephala and with the Aedras in general they are liars but when you see all the picture of the Universe you need them too.
The concept of good & evil cannot be applied to Deadric beings. The Dunmer do however label these three (Azura, Mephala & Boethiah) as "good" because these three princes in particular are the progenitors of their race. They view them as their ancestors.
i always found it odd that the dunmer didnt worship Molag Bal as well since he is the prince of domination and enslavement and the dunmer seem to like those two things a lot!
Boethiah and Molag Bal are sworn enemies. Worshipping them together would anger both of them and have both their wrath come down on the Dunmer. Like worshipping both God and Satan at the same time. Also Molag Bal would prefer to dominate and enslave the Dunmer rather than have the Dunmer dominate and enslave in his name. His end goal is the corruption and control of all living things, so he'd likely end up turning on the Dunmer and making his own slave race.
@@nomousecat hmm what about mephala and boethiah? I have a hard time believing they both get along when there spheres are so similar. Why wouldn't there worshippers be assassinating and seducing each other constantly? Also the amount of worshippers increases there power so I'd imagine bal would tolerate it for the most part. I'm just poking holes tho I'm genuinely curious
Wouldn't it be interesting if Jyggalag was just Anu. And that he was transformed into a Daedra of order after giving up his soul Auriel. So now Jyggalag strives for his original sphere of perfect order before his spirit and it's children messed the order by creating Nirn and Oblivion. And the most interesting part is that Padomai could be Sheogorath in truth. To bind the soul of Anu and save everything the Daedra captured the soul of Padomai and attached it to his twin and so fused them to create an everlasting Greymarch. And now that they are split the war for true order (nothingness) and chaos (life and everything) truly is in our future.
Akatosh/Auriel(Time) is actually a Construct. Jyggalag(Order) said it in the Shivering Isles DlC. Meanwhile Padomai(Stasis), Sheogorath(Madness/Disorder) and Sithis(Void/Nothingness) are Constructs too. Lorkhan(Space)/Thief, Jyggalag(Order)/Warrior, Anuiel(Existence)/Mage. Lorkhan`s Realm is Mundus, Jyggalag`s Realm is Oblivion and Anuiel`s Realm is Aetherius. All three of them are Anu(Movement,Change). The Realm of Anu is Aurbis.
Not all daedra are evil but I would say none are benevolent
Agreed. I would say they are not good but fair.
Except Meridia. I mean, hating daedra and undead and caring for humanity makes Meridia the goodest of Daedra, despite what Veloth thinks.
Sam Guevenne still way better than Mephala. Fucking spider bitch.
@Sam Guevenne but she is only for the sake if balance. 9 major Aedras and 18 major Daedras. I think the rules were that there were twice as many Daedras than Aedras. If there were three more Major Daedras that came out of nowhere then the wheel is imbalanced. Meaning that either another divine deity will rise or Meridia will be divine.
@@buttsagonton101 There's only 17 Daedric Princes. Lorkhan is not a Daedra nor an Aedra, plus he's dead.
Azura is a good daedra cause she's dummy thicc, and encourages the dark elves to follow suite
Sera, I'm trying to worship Azura, but I'm too DUMMY THICC, and the clap of my ass cheeks is alerting the Bone Lords.
@SylentEcho she do be hella THICC tho
Wish sexy thicc dibella was a daedra prince but you know .. Lore
Y'all sleeping on malacath, he's got legs for days
Y'all are so uneducated, jyggalag is obviously the thiccest daedra. Bih was so thicc all of the other daedra had to seal him/her (idfk daedras are genderless aliens)
Man, the dunmer are really the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls lore.
Have you heard of bosmer and the Green Pact?
@@sylph4252 Well yes. There is plenty of awesome and interesting lore in TES, but i just find how the dunmer are so philosophically different, and how that affects their culture super interesting.
Bronoculars what about Orcs?
*plays Morrowind one time*
@@ImperatorTrajun I didn't wanna come off like a morrowind elitist.
40 years from now:
Fudgemuppet's recent video: *Which ants on the stump in Riverwood are good?*
The one who have 8 legs
@@ra_alf9467 nope, he stole my sweet roll
Ra Alf So, spiders? Because ants only have 6 legs. Spiders have 8.
i'd consider watching it
We'll get to that level soon enough if TES VI isn't out this decade.
I would love to see Malacath get revenge on Boethiah, or Jyggalag get even with the other daedra.
that would be cool and we have the perfect fighting arena the Maelstrom Arena make the princes run the arena and fight each other Fa-Nuit-Hen would love it.
Amen
Malacath is gonna get fucked up by those 2
@@Observant213 that's hot
@@Observant213 s(he) already did lol she shat him out like damn it doesn’t get worse
Meridia and Azura come to mind. Hircine and Peryite as well.
Isn't Peryite the weakest of the 18? He's the deadric prince of diseases right?
@@buttsagonton101 he's the prince of natural order. He is powerful, just doesn't intervene.
@@sylph4252 but because of that he's unfortunately considered weak... But why is his form that of a dragon?
Peryite is blight, famine and disease.
Hircine is the brutality inherent to nature.
They’re neutral deities at best.
@@buttsagonton101 I think it is to mock the appearance of Akatosh.
That or the natural order begins and ends with Dragons.
Vigillants of Stendarr wants to know your location.
They're all dead though. Thanks to the vampire crisis
@@EvilRaccoonDM thank you Volkihar
@@EvilRaccoonDM Then why did I meet some today on the roads In skyrim even though i have already played through the main quest line of dawn guard?
@@dershogun6396 rebels
@@holczy0 well but thenn they're not all dead .
4:30 AM and what am I doing? Watching Fudgemuppet of course!
Oh wow, same
I actually saw this earlier and put it off, that's crazy
Me : 7:41 pm
you’re gonna get sick
I work graveyard shifts so this is normal for me
Some interesting shrine art of the Dunmer", with the tribunal/saints with their anticipations/good daedra
10:42 Sotha Sil and Azura
11:09 Vivec (all two of him) and Mephala
11:22 Almalexia and Boethiah
Fudgemuppet, you should make a video comparing Ulfric and Vivec, because it is scary how many similarities they have:
They are both the de-facto but not official rulers of the province in which their game is based.
They both have a rocky relationship with the Empire.
They both want what's best for their own race, but less so for the other races, and the Argonions have it especially bad.
In the city that they rule from, outsiders have to live in one section.
They both wield power derived from Tonal Arcitecture.
They both came to power after killing the previous leader, but nobody can agree on the exact details, and whether or not they murdered them.
They're both willing to make sacrifices to preserve what power they have: Ulfric will give up Riften in the peace talks in order to kick out the Thalmor, and Vivec gave Tiber Septim the Numidium in order to secure more autonomy for Morrowind.
Wait, the Thu'um is derived from tonal architecture? It's been a while since I've dabbled in TES lore but
Mind = Blown
No. Tonal architecture had nothing to do with the thu'um and neither are the thu'um and the heart of lorkhan related. Different powers. Very different.
Yes the powers are different but they’re source is similar. On a superficial level the names are both sound related, shouting and tonal architecture. What they both allow is for the users to rewrite the laws of nature.
When you shout you’re willing something into existence like frost, fire, a storm, clearing the sky, becoming ethereal, making animals not pissed at you etc. all without using your magicka pool.
Tonal architecture does the same thing it’s how the dwarves built their complicated metal alloy that no one in modern Tamriel can replicate. The dwarven metal was used to build everything in dwarven society from their weapons of war, buildings, automatons, and all the way down to their pots and pans. And these constructs are still standing in the 4th era with no decay/rust. It’s because tonal architecture allowed them to change the laws of nature and create a super metal.
@@95Bartlett you'd think Dwarven weapons would be better, all things considered. Hell, if it can change the very *laws* of nature, it could do a lot more then just make a superalloy, especially in our world. The speed of causality is a law of nature, and it's the only thing holding light back from going infinitely fast.
@@roadhouse6999 he got it wrong...
He meant to say Tonal Magic.
tonal architecture is a subset of tonal magic
just as Thu'um is a subset of tonal magic.
They are both derived from Tonal Magic, but otherwise completely unrelated.
We also have sword singing and green singing derived from Tonal Magic.... but hell if I know what any of it means.
I'm a good Daedra because I rain cheese and cabbage down from the Shivering Isles!
You don't look like Sheogorath
Best daedra out there
i feel the common interpretations of the good daedra are the result of idealistic ideas of morality, whereas someone with a realistic view would quickly recognize how important they are so here are a few questions:
is it not good to end or prevent a war, which could cost thousands of lives, by murdering one king?
is it not good to take up arms to rise above and dethrone a despot or an incompetent king?
is it not good to humble the wicked and provide guidance to the faithful?
Honestly, that could be a quote from one of the many excellent lore and religious books in-game.
It's more that the Good Daedra are the "Benefactors" and the Bad Daedra are the "Opponents".
12:24 Azura lookin THICC
They have some mod that makes all the female Daedra and Aedra statues look really... sultry. I frankly can't stand it. Especially super-busty Mara, it looks so out of place.
The dunmer faith is very similar to ancient Turkic beliefs. Azura for example is straight up a reference for the spirit Umay. Aspect of motherhood and discipline.
"Good" doesn't necessarily mean "Nice". Just ask any Neutral or Chaotic Good D&D character in existence
While my favorite TES race is the Argonians, I find the Dunmer to be the most interesting TES and easily one of the most interesting Elves in all of fiction. Everything about their society and culture is just fascinating, especially their Faith.
Hell, TES: Morrowind was the most creative Bethesda's been in decades now.
Worship Daedra, Smoke Skooma. It is that simple
Except for the fact that you drink skooma not smoke.
ahh, you are new to the lore friend.
@@goodlese not sure if it would work but id mix it with moon sugar then throw it in a bowl and smoke it like people smoke crack
Junkies are considrred degenerates in Dunmer society, just lik vampires.
@@KS-wy6ky but i enjoy my intelligence being drained.
Just wanted to say;
Hippity Hoppity
Argonians are property
State such truth
Typical Dunmer. Tough online. Cries when the An-Xileel pulls up.
Shut up
@@Tao-fp3yr What's up my fellow lizzerd 😉
@@munchies4532 big up all my marsh friends worldwide.
Dark elves are the most interesting of the races, maybe tied with argonians
Charles Châtenay for President 1900 stupid elf
I wouldn’t say any Daedra are purely good but some agendas or their personas aline with the side of good rather than evil, for example Meridia.
Meridia was the patron of one of the worst of the Ayleid sorcerer-kings, and was the reason Alessia made her covenant with Akatosh.
What does Meridia do? What is her domain? Have not realy heard of her jet . . .
@@SingingSealRiana well mostly in game she just hates the undead, she's kind of a weird daedra in the fact that she may actually be a magna ge who just influences oblivion rather than a true daedra their sphere according to some sources is life and energy(whatever that means)
'Good' Daedra?
*laughs in Dagoth Ur*
Come lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy.
I’m a god, how can you kill a god?
Whenever I see notification of a new dunmer culture video by FudgeMuppet it always makes my day!
That explains why my character in Skyrim... A Dunmer... Always takes any opportunity to do quests for daedras, including Molac Bal, but is always insulting the evil daedra...
We NEED a video on the *_36/37 Lessons of Vivec_* .!
Please *_:D_*
There is one around
So the padomaic theology which then derived into dunmer's reclamation myth centers around similar existential philosophy of Nietzsche, on how those three supposed daedric princes were to represent the act of nobility, of dunmer becoming masters not the slaves (well this can be taken out literally when they're also enslaving argonians XD). But it's a pretty interesting take, and I would see how the Anuic theology represent what Nietzsche have been criticizing the most, of treating existence as mere suffering and imprisonment.
I created an old orc build, but you have to play very carefully because this build as well as that random encounter of the old orc. our character seeks a good death however if we die it is considered permanent death
This to me is more important then breakfast in this morning, a fudge muppet elder scrolls video first thing.
I got this reccomended on yt right next to The Tribunal video and I can feel the tension
The only thing harder than fighting the ebony warrior..
Is me when I seen a nocturnal
Elder Scrolls 6 is getting released in 2025. It's based in Hammerfell and High Rock, and its main quest has a lot to do with the Direnni adamantine tower.
2022
2077, to compete with cyberpunk
The "good" Daedra are the ones with fun or challenging artifact missions. Morality doesn't compute when stats and buffs get involved.
Molags a bit of a dick, but that mace tho.
@@dorkydragon5055 a bit? He's just the deadra of all bad things. God of rape etc. Let's not forget he raped a woman to death, just because he was mad at Arkay.
So, Boethiah?
I love these mini philosophy classes!
8 people haven't been to the cloud district very often.
So, they are the ultimate version of "no pain, no gain".
Once dreamt Vaermina sent me to her plane of Oblivion and we fell in love. She was hot af.
Nocturnal is the Hottest
is that you, Arkved?
@@sixkiller6 nope just a horny young adult
Lol
*She’s deceiving you*
Thanks, I've always wondered why Meridia wasn't considered one of the good Daedra.
Azura, Meridria, and Nocturnal are the "good" daedra from my experience.
Azura,Malacath and Nocturnal for me...
That sounds like a very good experience lmao
Mephala as well, she teaches and dismantles. Morag murders to dismantle, the artifact ebony blade is just a playtoy for those who fall for it.
bruh. Nocturnal tried to re make the entirety of nirn into nothing but darkness in the Second Era
Meridia and Azura are the only daedra that have some sympathy for mortals
@Sam Guevenne you're right i forgot about him.
Hircine does too. He mourns the prey but the predator has to eat too. It's brutal but that's just nature and the circle of life. He respects and admires when prey outwits the predator.
Octavio Vazquez Bey Meridia seems like more of a “means to an end” she aligns with good but I’ve not seen too much of sympathy from her
Boethiah has more sympathy, mostly because she wants mortals to Git Gud with hardwork and never us shortcuts and dubious choices.
Barbas is the most friendly at least.
As a dunmer I worship a few deadra boethia, molag bal, and Azura.
Before watching, I already know the deadra prince of dusk and dawn is one from the loading screens.
I'm in the boat that the lessons these Daedra offer are good, but as every religion has good lessons to take from. Yet, blind faith will always bring about ruin. Even Boethia warns about that.
Final frase= truth
Let go of your preconseption to truly enter in ones mind
That is extremely needed nowadays
We all know the goodest of them all is.
Ma'ik The Liar is your boy
Fun fact, that story with Trinimac getting eaten by Boethia also involved Boethia shitting Trinimac out eventually, which some of his followers rubbed said shit on themselves, Trinimac ended up turning into Malacath and his followers became the orcish people
Thank you Scott of FudgeMuppet for this interesting view of the Daedra. It is refreshing to see historical & cultural context and discuss the subjectivity of the meaning behind terms “good” or “evil.” There is usually 2 or more sides to any story. I am really unsure what Daedra or Aedra I would personally choose, given all the knowledge I have gained about them over time. Sometimes, I envision some kind of Dark Crystal situation, where 2 halves (good/bad aspects) were torn asunder (perhaps during the time of the Ehlnofey) would, at a prophecies time, rejoin your become 1. That was a cool concept. But it wouldn’t work for this lore construction & the imbalance between the 2 sides.
I don't think the Chimer/Dunmer abandoned Aedra worship. They just view them as equal to their other ancestors. Similar to the Dwemer in that regard
Azura cursed the whole dunmer people when three reached transcendence. Vivec even reaches CHIM (the whole point of the psijic endeavor). Perhaps they went about it the wrong way but they are the only three we know of who have actually come close to completing lorkahn’s wish for mortals
I wonder how dark elf society views talos. Since he basically achieved there aim.
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Phh, don't tell me to keep an open mind without my brain breaking, I've been to the Shivering Isles! And as for your "Good" Daedra the fact is if they were that good how much better must Jyggalag have been?
Meridia is my favourite.
Azura, Meridia, Nocturnal and Sanguine would be the only Daedra that care about their followers and make the world a better place in some ways. Even then they are self absorbed and rather than appreciate mortals obedience they expect it.
This is so esoteric I feel like it needed a prequel 101 course
Sounds like it was Hopi inspired! The one who showed the Hopi the harsh life of the dessert was a skeleton man king of the underground!
Man, the house of reclamations had some of the greatest artifacts imo.
Ebony Mail, Ebony Blade and The Black Star? Badass combination! And that's just what you could get in skyrim 😁
Technically the Black Star is the corrupted version and is no longer Azura’s artifact.
@@rickkcir2151 Fair point, although even the non-corrupted version can be immensely powerful. But yeah, totally forgot about that 😅
This is basically history class but good
I would say that there are daedra that while considered evil may just be neutral and to some of these daedra the saying what can be given can also be taken away can apply, Peryite is an example of this as one of his worshippers is Kesh the clean who you get Peryite’s quest from
Looks like cetrion in the thumbnail
Make a Khajiit Build for the Twilight Cantor?
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Hail the reclamation!
the only daedra i'd be happy to be friends with is sanguine. party all day lmao
I suppose in this case and many others in Elder Scrolls lore,the word "Good" is subjective
It's more like who are good to follow for personal growth.
@@rosure7 role models, doting parents or harsh teachers ^^
Dagon (forgive me for not spelling his first name) is the only Deadra I consider to be utterly neither good nor evil.
To stain him, is to stain change itself, to rage against a hurricane.
It's like the Chaos Gods of Warhammer
As a Redguard, I’d break bread with Azura, Meridia, and Nocturnal. I’d match them with Dibella and Mara. I’m good with that pantheon.
I am maiq...maiq is gonna fight boethiah ..there can ve no liar bigger than maiq
Funny I am currently Doing a modded Paladin playthrough. I feel like Merida is the only really good Daedra. But I don't know
if youre a paladin then meridia and maybe azura are probably the only daedra you should serve.
@@ovenram I get Merida but Azure ain't exactly "good" but she's not necessary evil either
Meridia is far from good. She is the patron deity of the Ayleids - who many consider the most evil race on Tamriel - she is completely opposed to free will, and even her own champion says that you shouldn't trust her.
@@Xolcm holy gecko fucking Jesus you serious!? Fuck her and her Bitchy attitude
@@Xolcm Darien? He's one of the better written parts of ESOs main quests. At first he seems to be a bad cliche but eventually becomes a memorable character and tragic figure.
For real, I don't like Boethiah, but between her and Molag Bal, I choose her
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Still hoping for that detailed video on the Yokudan Deities.
The Dunmer philosophy is similar to the Sith.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
Now more like the dark elves in forgotten realms however Hail Sith!!!!
Meridia is definitely up there
Along with Azura and Nocturnal
And you can make the argument some aren’t evil but acting out nature
Peryite for example is the prince of natural order. What he does good or bad isn’t because of his alignment but because it’s nature and has to happen that way
Ain’t scared of spiders but maphala spooks me
Thank you for more Morrowind lore! This one had bothered me because I don't like doing 2 out of 3 quests for these daedra. Please do more videos about TES III. I love the overhauled game.
Vornalph nerd
@@Spartan-bl4pq why are you here then
Hero0fKvatch 9392 your smart figure it out yourself
I personally think that the most Good Daedric Prince is Lady Azura, and the most Evil is Hermaeus Mora.
My mommy Azura ❤
Azura maybe vane but no more then the annoying morita and her temple I love azura I love doing her quest
The Psijic Endeavor or the Tri-Angled Truth, perhaps the Tribunal thought they had achieved it, they thought they had surpassed their gods. What does any new god try to achieve in most legends, they try to denounce or even remove from the common mind any aspects of the old gods. Even though the Tribunal were very powerful by mortal standards, it just shows that the true gods of the world still far out shine them if one god was able to plant the seeds for their downfall, through the actions of one blessed "mortal" (should the Nerevarine even be considered mortal? not sure).
Just a thought.
The Nerevarine never was the cause of the tribunal's downfall rather than Dagoth Ur surviving the betrayal in the Red Mount. In TES III Azura was seizing an opportunity set for her a long time ago to reassert her own cult in a situation where protagonists deeply understood that the Tribunal was destined to end except maybe Almalexia. The reason why we succeed in TES III is because Azura and Vehk interests coincide for the first time. Vehk wanting to destroy the heart of Lorkhan to stop the propagation of the corprus and kill Dagoth Ur, the Sharmat and Azura wanting to destroy the heart of Lorkhan to be adored again by the Dunmer. But the other nerevarines before us didn't had that chance. Every other attempts of Azura were failures.
That said, the Tribunal were not just powerful by mortal standards but even for the daedric princes. Almalexia's fight on the ruins of Mournhold, Baar Dau the ministry of truth, the four-score war or the coldharbour compact are examples among many of how power flows in the relationships between the daedric princes and the Tribunal.
Beyond political concerns Vivec and Sotha Sil have probably achieved an understanding of their own world (from Nirn to the Void beyond Oblivion) the daedric princes are unable to achieve because of the fact that the power and wisdom achieved by struggling in Nirn are of a greater value than what is achievable in Aetherius or Oblivion. Vivec knowing about the future appearance of Talos the God centuries before Tiber Septim was born by (maybe) having access to a seemingly out of time "non-spatial space" is an excellent example of how psijic endeavor's path to power differ from the subaltern power of the et'ada (from the gods in aetherius to the eight divines and the daedric princes).
Another example of the power achieved through Mundus is the fact that: if the et'ada are certainly immensely powerful in terms of knowledge and magical power, in the case of the Daedric Princes, more than the fact that they don't really outshine the Tribunal, they don't outshine the mortals either.
And of all those not all powerful Daedric Princes, from Dwemer scientists exposing her limits to chimer generals surprising her, Azura is not Mephala.
Just like the psijics I prefer to assume that the et'ada when they're not in Aetherius are just absurdly overpowered magic-using spirits. ^^
Speaking of the Good Daedra, maybe you could consider a video on the Four Corners of the House of Troubles, FudgeMuppet? At least in Morrowind, the Four Corners are not purely detrimental forces, they serve their purpose of testing the Dunmer people. In the game Morrowind, the Temple quest line even includes a pilgrimage to each of the Four Corners' shrines.
Especially Molag Bal has gotten quite the bad press in the recent past, also in your videos. This however seems to neglect the "good" he has done, for example apparently granting CHIM to Vivec, and curing the Nerevarine of vampirism.
"Kill my daughter for sleeping with someone beneath her station" doesn't strike me as being good.
But what about lore adding to ES from mods, would be nice to hear your take on it and how plausible those big mods are in regards to established lore. Mods like Falskaar, Midwood or Maids 2 Deception.
To those who think, Meridia is good:
She had a connection with Umaril...
I would say Meridia is good but then I remember the whole her favoured champion/son protecting the monstrous slave brutalising elfs.
So do you guys noticed that the Dunmer are essentially worshipping RPG archetypes?
Azura= Mage
Boethiah= Warrior
Mephala= Thief/ Assassin
ScottFromFudgemuppet, huh... That's quite the name.
Great video.
Which daedra would the Dunmer of House Redoran mostly follow if it even matters?
love your videos
Heh...he said "tomfoolery"
They all sound evil to me.
I have an interesting question that could help me out a lot if properly explained. Is there ever mention of a mortal creating life with a spell or practice?
See, my friends and I are in the midst of an Elder Scrolls D&D Campaign where I play the role of an Argonian Necromancer, Saliish. Saliish is interesting compared to other Necromancers as he doesn't just study Necromancy. Recently he has begged the question of if it were possible to create an entirely new being with a magical practice or spell. He already knows that creating a mindless being is somewhat possible with the use of Necromancy and Flesh magic but he seeks to create a mortal, one who can be seen as just an average individual.
The main reason he wishes to accomplish this is so that he can gain a fallowing and rise to a possible higher power. I was simply wondering if such a feat was ever explain in Elder Scrolls and if so, how.
Probably if I was in the Elder Scrolls universe, I would give my faith to Azura and i would be open minded with Boethiah, Hircine, Nocturnal and Mephala and with the Aedras in general they are
liars but when you see all the picture of the Universe you need them too.
The concept of good & evil cannot be applied to Deadric beings. The Dunmer do however label these three (Azura, Mephala & Boethiah) as "good" because these three princes in particular are the progenitors of their race. They view them as their ancestors.
A fudge I was wondering what about nocturna does she count as a good or bad daedra
i always found it odd that the dunmer didnt worship Molag Bal as well since he is the prince of domination and enslavement and the dunmer seem to like those two things a lot!
Boethiah and Molag Bal are sworn enemies. Worshipping them together would anger both of them and have both their wrath come down on the Dunmer. Like worshipping both God and Satan at the same time.
Also Molag Bal would prefer to dominate and enslave the Dunmer rather than have the Dunmer dominate and enslave in his name. His end goal is the corruption and control of all living things, so he'd likely end up turning on the Dunmer and making his own slave race.
@@nomousecat hmm what about mephala and boethiah? I have a hard time believing they both get along when there spheres are so similar. Why wouldn't there worshippers be assassinating and seducing each other constantly? Also the amount of worshippers increases there power so I'd imagine bal would tolerate it for the most part. I'm just poking holes tho I'm genuinely curious
Boethiah wants you to succed
Molag Bal wants you to be dominated by him
Of course they wouldnt be voth worshiped at once
There are only 8 deadra I worship... Azura, Jyggalag, Meridia, Mehrunes Dagon, Namira, Peryite, Sheogorath, Vaermina.
That's 8 too many.
@@roadhouse6999 haha, I know its a lot to take in 😅. I think the only reason I chose them was because of what ambitions they have for the mortals.
Wouldn't it be interesting if Jyggalag was just Anu. And that he was transformed into a Daedra of order after giving up his soul Auriel. So now Jyggalag strives for his original sphere of perfect order before his spirit and it's children messed the order by creating Nirn and Oblivion. And the most interesting part is that Padomai could be Sheogorath in truth. To bind the soul of Anu and save everything the Daedra captured the soul of Padomai and attached it to his twin and so fused them to create an everlasting Greymarch. And now that they are split the war for true order (nothingness) and chaos (life and everything) truly is in our future.
Akatosh/Auriel(Time) is actually a Construct. Jyggalag(Order) said it in the Shivering Isles DlC. Meanwhile Padomai(Stasis), Sheogorath(Madness/Disorder) and Sithis(Void/Nothingness) are Constructs too.
Lorkhan(Space)/Thief, Jyggalag(Order)/Warrior, Anuiel(Existence)/Mage. Lorkhan`s Realm is Mundus, Jyggalag`s Realm is Oblivion and Anuiel`s Realm is Aetherius. All three of them are Anu(Movement,Change). The Realm of Anu is Aurbis.
I simply don't worship any daedra and rely on the *9* divines, especially Mara.
I like tribunal.