we did a video with then Matt's data tech Herschel Auxier who showed us the overlay lap after lap. He stated that it was the closest thing to robotic he had ever seen for consistency. It's part 8 of the series with Matt. Dave Moss Host
This is an old video which I just discovered. Man I miss the old AMA days. Also, Maldonado might've been a pr*CK to be around and compete against, but he gives a damn good interview.
I recall watching those racers s a young man with Saarinen and others battling it out on bikes that would throw them down the road as quickly as they would accelerate. Data takes all that away from the rider.
I believe what Matt is actually trying to explain is that the teams who show up with the best baseline settings, regardless of whether or nor they have traction control, are the teams that are gonna be consistently winning- the main reason Suzuki won 46 races in a row was because they showed up with the best prepared bike in the field
AND Matt had the same bunch of guys working on his bike for all 7 years when he was racing in the AMA series- Yoshimura's Don Sakakura realized and knows how important this is
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Miguel has a different point of view. Many people (maybe not you, but those who were actually ON the track) also believe Suzuki was using it before it was allowed.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Yup, I know that rule bending takes place. I will also claim no special/inside knowledge of Suzuki cheating at this. But I was merely pointing out that someone who was there and racing, and does have inside type knowledge, says Suzuki was cheating. I'm gonna take Miggy's word on that. As for him "saving face", I don't think a guy who won Daytona with a broke leg is a man who makes excuses.
No modern rider.is going to say it helps less skilled rider win. Fact is today's riders could spend a yr on mick doohans 500 2 stroke and never get close to his lap times that man.had mad skills. Today's rides gave to.much tech and never developed the throttle control and skills it took to ride in the edge all.on their own.
I'd politely ask for you to do the same. I'd ask for a single source to back up any of your claims, but I know I'd not get one. I'd instead some angry, raving, UA-cam response in its stead. Prove me wrong? Please do.
well for one suzuki prides itself on winning the AMA championship so all their r&d goes into AMA, motogp and AMA bikes are completely different machines so he'd need a new set of engineers on his team and maybe he didn't want to change all that to just to race motogp. I can guarantee he'd win in motogp, have you ever seen a lap of him around a track?
Ah, he was already at MotoGP and didn't do squat, then came state side. Also, the best riders from around the world filter up to MotoGP, and few survive. Nicky won one championship but if you look at his record, not a serious threat. Similar with Spies, Hopkins...all great on the national level, but international not so much, the latest most successful was Colin Edwards And even he did way better on the superbike level than the GP.
According to Mat himself, he wasn't treated well in MotoGP by Cagiva. He saw, back then, you could only be successful on a top team. Plus he was young then, he didn't really start to become dominant in the AMA for a couple of years. Had he given the world stage another shot, he could've picked up a win or 2 here and there. The only people to beat Mat in the states, at least won a race at the world level. Spies won the SBK title, and 1 GP race. For sure Mat wouldn't have been as dominant on the world stage as he was in AMA. But with the right bike, and the right team, He could pick up at least one win. Look what happened to Bayliss, for years, he didn't do much in GP, but when he wild card evented, at Valencia (after he had gone back to WSBK), and he brought his team to that wild card ride, and stomped the field. Having the right team & bike has always been more important on the world stage.
Imagine that, being focused on a racing series in a place where more GSXr model were being sold (and raced) than anywhere else. The gsxr is literally the Honda Civic of stock based motorcycle racing Which isn’t a bad thing, you buy a ten year old gixxer and go to track days and races and if you break something rest assured you can buy that part or someone may even have one or twenty of them lying around. Suzuki is way undervalued in this regard.
Of all the comments made, by so called enthusiasts, experts, haters and lovers.... does anyone give credit to era's... by that I mean when a great motorcycle package races, when 'stars allign' eras are created relating to that one package. Sometimes because of dishonesty and cheating and sometimes because that 'package' is clearly better than its rivals... Example... in streetbike terms the blade was the 'it' bike in the mid 90's, then the R1 burst onto the scene, only to be eclipsed by Suzuki soon after.... (right around the time Mladin had already dominated Aust fields and had moved onto a better field in AMA!) His incredible consistency is a big part of his role in the whole 'package' I refer to, but weirdly his robotic consistency existed well before traction control was around when he raced in Aust... Hmmm
No R1 has EVER been eclipsed by any motorcycle let alone a dam GSXR!!! Lol Yamaha fanboy here. This was the best era period, there will never be racing in America that compares to this whole era. I miss it so bad and just wish motorcycles were as popular as they are overseas. For me there is just nothing better than riding, both street and dirt. My weapons of choice are the R1/R6 and the Yz250 2 stroke. I’m old school and just love the 2 stroke.
Oh and I think yamaha is doing pretty well this year by the way. Leading moto gp, moto America, and at one point was also leading world superbike and British superbike as well they may still be. I love the BSB series being they limit the rider aids. I’m totally against the whole rider aid stuff myself. There is nothing better than mastering the throttle with only your hand. Just think, moto gp going from 500cc 2 stroke to 990cc 4 stroke alone was like traction control. I miss the USA having the huge popularity of the 90’s era so bad.
@@jacobhendrickson8935 G'day Jacob, couldn't agree with you more... especially considering I 2 am a Yamaha man an own a 98 R1, with all the bits on it... but if ur a tru bike person you'd agree when the 1k gixxer arrived, it left us behind for a good few yrs!!!!
@@robbodayobbo2417 wow a 98, I’ve looked and looked for a clean low mileage 98 for a long time. Found one at one point but another buyer beat me to it and almost bought the 04 this seller had as well. He had listed a 98 & 04 R1 both on a Friday evening and I immediately responded and barely ended up with one of them. The 04 absolutely showroom mint 715 miles on it. I absolutely love that bike, it’s my baby and the only bike I own that won’t ever go anywhere. Wish I could have bought both. They were both just so flawless. I still keep my eyes open for a clean 98.
Your argument would be a lot stronger if you didn't sound like an angry 13 year old when making. Also, your argument would be a lot stronger if it was based on something factual, and not obviously based on a largely emotional opinion. A "less than average rider"? I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt and take that as hyperbole. Stick a "less than average rider" on a full blown MotoGP prototype, and he'd still get his ass handed to him by guys on Superbikes.
we did a video with then Matt's data tech Herschel Auxier who showed us the overlay lap after lap. He stated that it was the closest thing to robotic he had ever seen for consistency. It's part 8 of the series with Matt.
Dave Moss
Host
This is an old video which I just discovered. Man I miss the old AMA days. Also, Maldonado might've been a pr*CK to be around and compete against, but he gives a damn good interview.
Takes that edge really skilled riders have away from not so skilled riders. When a rider skill was.the control the best riders won
I recall watching those racers s a young man with Saarinen and others battling it out on bikes that would throw them down the road as quickly as they would accelerate. Data takes all that away from the rider.
Yes exactly it was nothing new to him for sure. And he's a prick.
Yes traction control is difficult to tune, good thing Mladin had many years head start.
I believe what Matt is actually trying to explain is that the teams who show up with the best baseline settings, regardless of whether or nor they have traction control, are the teams that are gonna be consistently winning- the main reason Suzuki won 46 races in a row was because they showed up with the best prepared bike in the field
AND Matt had the same bunch of guys working on his bike for all 7 years when he was racing in the AMA series- Yoshimura's Don Sakakura realized and knows how important this is
Matt was good with traction control, because he had much more practice with it before it was even legal to have. 🤔
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Miguel has a different point of view. Many people (maybe not you, but those who were actually ON the track) also believe Suzuki was using it before it was allowed.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 Yup, I know that rule bending takes place. I will also claim no special/inside knowledge of Suzuki cheating at this. But I was merely pointing out that someone who was there and racing, and does have inside type knowledge, says Suzuki was cheating. I'm gonna take Miggy's word on that. As for him "saving face", I don't think a guy who won Daytona with a broke leg is a man who makes excuses.
No modern rider.is going to say it helps less skilled rider win. Fact is today's riders could spend a yr on mick doohans 500 2 stroke and never get close to his lap times that man.had mad skills. Today's rides gave to.much tech and never developed the throttle control and skills it took to ride in the edge all.on their own.
I'd politely ask for you to do the same. I'd ask for a single source to back up any of your claims, but I know I'd not get one. I'd instead some angry, raving, UA-cam response in its stead.
Prove me wrong? Please do.
well for one suzuki prides itself on winning the AMA championship so all their r&d goes into AMA, motogp and AMA bikes are completely different machines so he'd need a new set of engineers on his team and maybe he didn't want to change all that to just to race motogp. I can guarantee he'd win in motogp, have you ever seen a lap of him around a track?
Ah, he was already at MotoGP and didn't do squat, then came state side. Also, the best riders from around the world filter up to MotoGP, and few survive. Nicky won one championship but if you look at his record, not a serious threat. Similar with Spies, Hopkins...all great on the national level, but international not so much, the latest most successful was Colin Edwards And even he did way better on the superbike level than the GP.
According to Mat himself, he wasn't treated well in MotoGP by Cagiva. He saw, back then, you could only be successful on a top team. Plus he was young then, he didn't really start to become dominant in the AMA for a couple of years. Had he given the world stage another shot, he could've picked up a win or 2 here and there.
The only people to beat Mat in the states, at least won a race at the world level. Spies won the SBK title, and 1 GP race. For sure Mat wouldn't have been as dominant on the world stage as he was in AMA. But with the right bike, and the right team, He could pick up at least one win. Look what happened to Bayliss, for years, he didn't do much in GP, but when he wild card evented, at Valencia (after he had gone back to WSBK), and he brought his team to that wild card ride, and stomped the field. Having the right team & bike has always been more important on the world stage.
Imagine that, being focused on a racing series in a place where more GSXr model were being sold (and raced) than anywhere else.
The gsxr is literally the Honda Civic of stock based motorcycle racing
Which isn’t a bad thing, you buy a ten year old gixxer and go to track days and races and if you break something rest assured you can buy that part or someone may even have one or twenty of them lying around.
Suzuki is way undervalued in this regard.
Of all the comments made, by so called enthusiasts, experts, haters and lovers.... does anyone give credit to era's... by that I mean when a great motorcycle package races, when 'stars allign' eras are created relating to that one package. Sometimes because of dishonesty and cheating and sometimes because that 'package' is clearly better than its rivals... Example... in streetbike terms the blade was the 'it' bike in the mid 90's, then the R1 burst onto the scene, only to be eclipsed by Suzuki soon after.... (right around the time Mladin had already dominated Aust fields and had moved onto a better field in AMA!) His incredible consistency is a big part of his role in the whole 'package' I refer to, but weirdly his robotic consistency existed well before traction control was around when he raced in Aust... Hmmm
No R1 has EVER been eclipsed by any motorcycle let alone a dam GSXR!!! Lol
Yamaha fanboy here.
This was the best era period, there will never be racing in America that compares to this whole era. I miss it so bad and just wish motorcycles were as popular as they are overseas. For me there is just nothing better than riding, both street and dirt. My weapons of choice are the R1/R6 and the Yz250 2 stroke. I’m old school and just love the 2 stroke.
Oh and I think yamaha is doing pretty well this year by the way. Leading moto gp, moto America, and at one point was also leading world superbike and British superbike as well they may still be. I love the BSB series being they limit the rider aids. I’m totally against the whole rider aid stuff myself. There is nothing better than mastering the throttle with only your hand. Just think, moto gp going from 500cc 2 stroke to 990cc 4 stroke alone was like traction control. I miss the USA having the huge popularity of the 90’s era so bad.
@@jacobhendrickson8935 G'day Jacob, couldn't agree with you more... especially considering I 2 am a Yamaha man an own a 98 R1, with all the bits on it... but if ur a tru bike person you'd agree when the 1k gixxer arrived, it left us behind for a good few yrs!!!!
@@robbodayobbo2417 wow a 98, I’ve looked and looked for a clean low mileage 98 for a long time. Found one at one point but another buyer beat me to it and almost bought the 04 this seller had as well. He had listed a 98 & 04 R1 both on a Friday evening and I immediately responded and barely ended up with one of them. The 04 absolutely showroom mint 715 miles on it. I absolutely love that bike, it’s my baby and the only bike I own that won’t ever go anywhere. Wish I could have bought both. They were both just so flawless. I still keep my eyes open for a clean 98.
Liar. Suzuki was first to cheat. Mladin/Spies were first to improve it
I had no idea mat mladin was a drug addict
Your argument would be a lot stronger if you didn't sound like an angry 13 year old when making.
Also, your argument would be a lot stronger if it was based on something factual, and not obviously based on a largely emotional opinion.
A "less than average rider"? I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt and take that as hyperbole. Stick a "less than average rider" on a full blown MotoGP prototype, and he'd still get his ass handed to him by guys on Superbikes.