HMS Warrior (1860) - First Armoured Battleship of the Royal Navy
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2022
- Today we take a look at the first iron-hulled and iron-armoured warship in the world, the first armoured battleship of the Royal Navy, and also the only one we have left!
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Aerial photography brings a new meaning to "droning on and on"
I've heard that at least some of the early bridges were structures built between paddle boxes. Did these predate Warrior's?
Did all the gun crews on the ship know how to get the bow and stern chasers into the different positions?
When did speaking tubes become common equipment on warships? Were there any other systems used for early intra-ship communication?
Recently i came aboard warrior (from australia), and had a chat with a historian on board, he mentioned that a live fire test ship using warriors armour was made to see how the armour would hold up (before warrior was built i assume)
Was this the first time that was attempted? i see no point in doing it before armoured ships came about as shooting at wood just damages the product needlessly.
Drach: Whoops. I don't know how my drone got over to the Queen Elizabeth...but while we're here, mind if I film a bit?
Speedrun through the hanger
Suddenly the close in weapons systems light off. Firing wire guided sidewinders from a box mounting, and a small wall of cannon shots from a Phalanx battery!
As the crumbed mess of plastic falls from the sky a speaker on deck cracles to life 'Sorry Drach, the sensors went off and I didn't type in the bypass code quickly enough. You brought another one right?'
RN: “Yeah sure, you can edit the video in the brig while awaiting your trial”
I almost bet he did do that before... Lol
If you heard things said in the most recent live stream where he was in Halifax...
Appearantly our Mr. Drach... Likes to just climb high on anything and everything that is High up/tall places...
EVEN... IF HE ISNT SUPPOSED TO/ILLEGAL... LOL
🤣🤣🤣
Royal Navy: Have you ever thought about being infantry?
Sailors: No, why?
Royal Navy: Variety is the spice of life.
It's crazy that, between this ship and the HMS Dreadnought, there are less than 50 years
Good point.
Technology was moving so fast back then…
Well I'd say it was moving at about 14 knots!
Sorry
And the last battleship ever built came less than 50 years after HMS Dreadnought. Of course, we now have destroyers displacing almost as much as the earliest pre-dreadnoughts.
There were less than 50 years between the Wright Flyer (1903) and the B-52 (first flight 1952). The last B-52 might be flying 100 years after the first.
And that Fisher, the architect of the Dreadnought began his service aboard HMS Warrior.
So they needed to engrave enchantment circles in the deck, so that magic could be used to move the 110 pounders around
I had the pleasure a few months ago of seeing this ship in person. It is a wonderful hybrid of new and old technology. Breach loaded cannons on wooden decks with metal boilers down below. Such an old odd hybrid.
Also it was a fun that the staff on the ship were in character. I spoke to an Officer, a prestigious lady and an engineer. These encounters where in areas of the ship that you expect them to be.
The Victorian Era was a weird time indeed!
Literally steampunk :)
oh its Haigs
I looked at one of the pretigious ladies through my binoculars from the dockyard one time, and she was auspicious enough to wave back. True Warrior spirit.
If you visit Victory, Warrior, and Belfast it makes for a fascinating insight into the evolution
Such a pity that HMS Vanguard was scrapped. Imagine if she'd been permanently moored at Portsmouth as well, so that the first and the last of Britain's armored warships would be side by side.
There is exactly one surviving British built battleship - it in Japan and imbedded in concrete…
Or Warspite. Also wouldve been cool to have been saved
@@unluckyirish2763 Warspite would've been one of the hardest to save, because at the time she was scrapped Britain's economy was a disaster. And she was seriously beat up, so who knows how expensive a restoration would've been. Vanguard was the best opportunity because she lasted the longest, into the period when Britain was once again a wealthy nation.
Though the *best* chance of a British age of steel capital ship being saved would've been if everything had gone just right for Hood. The time of the battle is a little different so that Hood and Prince of Wales can link up with Norfolk and Suffolk, so the former can double-team Bismarck and the latter deal with Prinz Eugen. Hood doesn't blow up, and gets most of the credit in the press for sinking Bismarck. Or maybe it's just the same scenario as IRL but the luck is reversed and a shot from Hood at long range lands just right to plunge through Bismarck's deck and detonate the magazine (that being the only way a 15" shell could plausibly reach Bismarck's magazines). Her repair and refit gets finished in time for her rather than Duke of York to sink Scharnhorst in the Battle of the North Cape. She gets assigned as new flagship of the Pacific Fleet and does some shore bombardment, then leads the Royal Navy contingent into Tokyo Bay for the surrender. Now Hood is even more legendary than she was going into WW2 (sinking two much more modern battleships), and she and Vanguard make for a pretty good post-war squadron since they have the same main armament and similar speed. Meaning she might last to 1960 when Britain isn't desperately strapped for cash anymore. (With the KGVs being scrapped a little bit earlier than IRL.) At that point, *maybe* she'd have a chance of being preserved.
I know it's way too much, but Dreadnought, Warspite and then either King George V or Duke of York would have been fantastic as the beginning, middle and end of the 'modern' (ie dreadnought type) battleships.
Oh my...
HMS Warrior's paint scheme is just... chef's kiss**
"If you get hit by half a kilo of flying molten iron... that's not going to be good for your health." Or as the Chieftain would say, that sailor would have a significant emotional event.
Pretty cool of the RN to let you use the drone that close to other ships. Props to them where due. I have a hard time believing the modern USN would allow the same.
I suspect Drach has managed to build a large and positive reputation. So they are willing to give him a more access then the average person would get. sm
Also I'm sure they got to look over all the footage before letting him go
It was pre-9/11, but the US navy were gracious enough to show us round one of their active missile cruisers when we visited the USS Intrepid in New York. It was amazing. They all had sidearms which was a shock to a Brit.
I saw Warrior sail in and out of Hartlepool, and regularly went aboard during the 8 year restoration.
It took a year or so to break all the concrete off the top deck. I remember the carpenters saying it was a nightmare making new windows for the rear poop officer’s cabins.
We saw a production of “HMS Pinafore” on the gun deck in the early 80’s. Unfortunately the ship was still a derelict drafty hulk, and it was mid-winter! We were frozen stiff.
Amazing that Hartlepool did a full restoration of the ship in 8 years, considering it takes that long to do an intermediate mechanical overhaul of an express steam locomotive nowadays.
You saw "HMS Pinafore" there? How fortunate you are! I can only hope to see one..
My grandfather was one of those volunteer carpenters. They were hard working men even in retirement.
I went aboard her when she still had the concrete 'on board' and before she left Hartlepool when she was all but fully restored. Marvellous vessel. Every bit of the deterrent of her time. Hartlepool docks are a lot different now with the museum of The Royal Navy very much part of the former dockland.
I went to go see Warrior eight years ago. It was a slightly wet day, and they were planning to host a wedding or some such on the vessel - but nobody was there to set things up, meaning I was literally the only person I saw touring her for an hour. I had her all to myself and could just soak it all in. It was almost the ideal way to enjoy a museum ship.
That sounds amazing. While touring the Missouri in Hawaii in 2018, that happened a few times, but only below decks for short times - there's a particular set of sounds she makes - I'd think Warrior would have the same sort of "background" sound and and smell - the same, but very different.
I visited the Warrior in 1990 and in 2010. After seeing your video I swear some of those small boats anchored around her haven't moved.
You can hear how giddy Drachinifel is throughout this video! Always a joy to see someone loving what they do!
"The supports are made of iron, the beams are made of iron, the cannons are of course made of iron and.... All of these things provide fantastic wireless interference"
Seriously though incredible video. It's been really cool watching the channel grow and the drone footage adds a lot, being on site gives you a lot to discuss and teach, you've always been well researched and thorough. you no longer have any analog on the platform, this content is truly peerless. Great work.
Man this is crazy to see!!!
Short story time:
I'm from australia, last month i had the incredible luck and opportunity to go across the world to iceland and the united kingdom.
Ive always wanted to see victory, Cutty sark and warrior (and recently of course, mary rose)
it was a highlight of my trip, i even sat chatting with one of the historians onboard for about an hour.
And now i get to see Drach infront and ontop of the ship i was recently exploring myself.. and not only do i see and learn from drach. but i KNOW where he is, i dont need to consult a map or guess, i can actually pick out out from memory
Thank you drach for this video that makes me smile and happy about this all over again.
P.S one thing me and the historian talked about and actually got us thinking... They apparantly made a live fire test ship with armour exactly like warriors to fire at and see the result... was this the first time that was done? atleast on wooden ships you'd not bother because all you end up doing is damaging the merchandice..
Finally I found out why the freaking command post on a warship is called the BRIDGE.
Dudes getting big enough to have major museums let him do awesome stuff!
I sincerely wish that ships like these were still fully functional and sailed regularly.
Get together a few millions of pounds a year for an operating budget and source three hundred or so able seamen, it could happen. The ship would need some specific repairs and replacement parts put in first, but for much less than the cost of a new frigate for the Royal Navy today, you could get HMS Warrior shipshape in Bristol-fashion.
Those drone shots are gorgeous. Well done, Drach.
HM Submarine Holland at the RN Submarine Museum at Gosport is regarded as the boat having undertaken the longest dive in history and resurfaced at the end of it. Well worth a look.
This is great, broadcast level quality production, presentation and research.
Drach’s description at 32:10 is now making me imagine a 110lb paintball and I love the idea of Warrior being used in a real life version of Splatoon
A 110lb paint ball would be lethal even if just dropped on you…
In 1977 I was working as a commercial oil field diver for Strongwork Diving, which became Sub Sea Offshore and the SubSea Seven. I remember being in a job to survey some jetties at BP’s Ocean Terminal in Milford Haven..Pembroke. Across the estuary was HMS Warrior…being used as a fender for supertankers! We had a good look around, but it really was looking pretty sad and passed it.. wonderful to see that it was recovered and restored..it is a very important ship..the absolute super weapon of its time!
Thank you for the video Drach, can't believe they let you fly all around the HMS Warrior with your jetpack, but gotta say those aerial angles you recorded it from are perfect.
As an American, I've been to Portsmouth twice. Thoroughly enjoyed wandering around HMS Victory and HMS Warrior both times. Both are fine ships. Thanks for the extended tour!
Excellent!
I freely admit I only have a passing interest in naval history and yet I never miss these longer videos.
Why?
The combination of knowledgeable enthusiasm, dry whit, and excellent presentation very much elevate the subject matter for me. Thank you!
When I visited Warrior a decade ago, I had no idea of her general layout whilst in service; my interest was in the Victory. Touring around the interior, I saw the picture where she had (almost) ended life as a stripped hulk in some river. While still ignorant of how she looked on deck or below deck, I was quite impressed how much equipment, weapons, and general 'stuff that goes in ships of the era' there was. It was extremely interesting. Drach's comment about her fuel appetite stood about when looking at how much coal the boilers went through per day. A lot. I thought how well the Museum and all the people that have restored (as much as may be) the ship had done a great job. You can have any vessel just sitting there to look at, but it's all the things that go in and how they work together that makes a ship of any type interesting. If you've never been to Portsmouth, it's worth the time and every penny.
Many thanks for this, D. I was introduced to Warrior by Hon.Capt.Colin White when he and I were students in the 70s. His special subject when a RN Museum man was the Victorian Navy. We went to Pembroke Dock. A Lt.Cmdr RN showed us round the oil jetty - wow!. Shortly afterwards Warrior went off the Hartlepool and the rest you know. i did not catch up with her until earlier in 2022. But really your video really hits the spot. Thank you
Oil Fuel Hulk #9 or something like that when it was rediscovered in the 80’s. I’m not sure if it is a restoration or fabrication but it’s pretty cool that it was done. I don’t see much of this happening again in our future.
Excellent video. Anyone who watches this and still thinks the USS Monitor would have had a chance is clearly daft.
Thumbs up if you think Drachinifel should make a video about the differences between ironclads and pre-dreadnoughts.
I’ve been waiting for this video ever since I went to see Warrior earlier in the year
I remember her being restored at Hartlepool. They did an amazing job and was so sad to see her leave. HMS Trincomalee is definitely worth a visit when you get back from over the pond.
i love to see Drach flexing his YT mussel to get on these ships and giving us video tours that most of us could never get to see. :) Keep it up man ! Great vid and the drone shots were wonderful
I do approve of that lil pun right there!
@@Lowkeh Hee.
Ah, HMS _Warrior_ - my main reason for siding with the _red coats_ in _(Total War:) Shogun 2: Fall of the Samurai_ .
She was an absolute ⁽ᵒᵛᵉʳ⁻⁾powerhouse, yet playing with her never got old; simply pure fun.
Good thing she got preserved instead of the usual "scrapped"
Magnificent video. I'm from Peru, it brings me good memories of my time as a scholar in Britain in 96-97. Portsmouth-Gosport was an area I liked and visited quite often in those days.
Imagine the fun the men would have had polishing those brass runners for the aft gun. Thing would have looked marvelous in the sunshine while fully rigged and sailing up and down the sea.
I actually got permission to see HMS Warrior at Pembroke dock back in 1972. The workers were actually quiet proud of her even in her reduced state.
No way in the world you could get a drone near Warrior without their help. Wonderful.
There's no way I'm sitting through an hour and a half video about an old boat.
120 minutes later: All this old technology is so cool!
I have been aboard both Warrior and Victory in 1999 and 2000. Very enjoyable trips but I doubt I will ever be able to go back again.
I attended a wedding on board a few years ago and was impressed by the circular racks of revolvers all down the gun deck, to repel boarders.
The ship is very nice but what makes this a great video is seeing an Englishman completely besotted with enthusiasm for his subject!
Last time I was this early KMS Blucher was still floating.
Calls of horse neighing
I visited the ship a few days ago. As an engineer is the simplicity of efficiency on that construction impressive!
Drach, if you ever visit the US Midwest, be sure to check out the USS Cod. She is perhaps the most well preserved example of WWII submarine in existence
Cod? That sounds a bit fishy to me
When we visited this ship 5 years ago I found it by far the most inspiring of all the collection - the beautiful sleek lines and odd kind of simplicity of the engine room
It just radiates solid, confident, power.
I remember visiting her and Victory a few years ago it was amazing!
When the wife and I visited HMS Warrior in the 1990s, she was magnificent but a special mention should go to the (period-dressed) museum guides who explained what we were looking at and, more to the point in the engine room, the difference between an 1860 steam plant and one from the mid-20th century. I'll always remember the description of finding steam leaks. You could probably find them on Warrior with your hand. Later you used a broomstick - when the stick starts to disappear you've found the leak. Brilliant and well worth the trip.
I have had the chance to walk the Warrior, Mikasa, Olympia, Texas, Alabama, Massachusetts, Missouri and Wisconsin. It is amazing how far technology changed in the 30 years between Warrior and Mikasa/Olympia, then 20 more years to Texas, and 25 years to the fast battleships. So 80 years between Warrior and Alabama.
This video is worth it just for the Bridge origin story
Great video Drach, thanks! "The radio broke before the ship" Just like the Guard at Cadia.
Really glad there was a crew member moving around in the shots from the bridge, it really helped put the view in to context. Also Era concept appropriate visual enhanced clothing.
I hope Drach never gets rid of that robot voice end title. It's becoming iconic.
me too...I actually go back and try to find some of the earlier full cg guy episodes,
just for old times sake
I have shoveled coal and hauled hay 120 lb (6 stone or 54-55 kg) bales with hand loading/unloading and I would rather haul hay all day long than shovel coal for more than 2 hours.
Great special! Note, the menu item is Extraction CaRnis- it’s a broth made with only meat with no bone or tendon. Thanks!
I finally got to go to Portsmouth last month and it was fantastic. The open top deck of HMS Warrior really helps you see how massive it is. It looks and feels bigger than the Belfast when you are on it despite it being smaller than it.
Loved the tour of HMS Warrior! Thank you, Drach!
I watched your episode of the US Constitution and I can't get over how large these wooden ships are! Now I have to plan a trip to see the Constitution!
I got to tour that ship while I was in England on leave. It was really amazing
Thank you, Uncle Drach, I've been waiting for a proper video on this ship for two years now.
Been there a few times, amazing place. Loved the vid... Absolutely fantastic!!
I was in Portsmouth back in 2001 at HMS Nelson and then Phoenix for sea survival training, we only had the time to see Victory and the Mary Rose. Then a tour of some Destroyers. We could see it from the Block of Flats at Nelson but sadly never got there. My loss I suppose, but one day.
That's a beautiful old fish, I glad she's been so well taken care of.
I live over in Gosport and can almost see HMS Warrior from my home... You remind me I should really give her visit(as well as the rest of the dockyard), I haven't been since I was a boy!
Great stuff as usual.
Odd how that works. I drive by the USS North Carolina on a daily basis and haven't visited her in probably 15-20 years.
Astounding that in the space of just 45 years, the navy went from cramped, wooden, sail powered Napoleonic era battleships to ironclad, steam powered, shell firing giant monsters such as HMS Warrior.
I'm guessing the daily life of the sailor was greatly improved too.
The overall roof height must have been amazing for those who came from the older type of sailing ships.
Everything about her must have. I have heard people today exclaim how cramped those sailors must have felt, when the reality is that men coming from old wooden sailing ships to HMS Warrior would have been marvelling at how much room they had in comparison. For them a ship like Warrior would have been considered the height of luxury accommodation wise.
I remember visiting her when I used to live in the UK. Can't wait to go back again :)
Drach... Since you live quite close to it, have you ever been to see the last remaining semaphore tower that was part of a chain that used to connect Portsmouth and London. It's in the heath behind the cafe at the m25 a3 junction. It's restored and open to the public occasionally. It's the kind of thing you could drive past a thousand times without knowing it's there. It's a weird bit of inland naval infrastructure.
cant wait to watch this i dearly love warrior since she spend a portion of her life in my home town i cant wait to see her
Last time I was this early, Akagi still had 3 flight decks!
42:00 Regarding that 110-pounder shell rigging, I am fairly sure that is a three-man rig. One on each side and then a third on the rear. Together, they could seamlessly move the shell from the rack to the gun in a fluid motion, ensuring the shell was unlikely to be dropped or smacked into anything but the inside of the breech, even on a gundeck being tossed by the waves.
I think it would have been appropriate if they had some Rum on board for Rum Ration Wednesday, especially aboard a "sailing" fighting ship. Awesome look at the HMS Warrior, especially for someone from the States who is not likely to visit Portsmouth any time soon!
Warrior was a floating pontoon in Pembroke Dock for many years of my youth growing up there.The navel ,RAF and army history of the town is amazing, but have you ever considered doing a video on the ships built in the Royal Dockyard from 1815 up to the 1920 s.It was closed by an act of Parliament, not because it could no longer build great fighting ships.
Many of the ships in the battle of Jutland were built here.
My back hurt just watching you lift that 110# round. Lift with your legs!
(Cool video, though. And thanks for pointing out a few things I missed when I was there.)
I really enjoyed this video you did on Warrior, a fantastic entertaining video. 👌 I guess you could say Warrior and Black Prince were transition ironclads, they experimented with iron armour and new guns, along with new layouts and engines. All this work made valuable experience to create Hms Achillies which was basically an improved Warrior class, and to finally all be refined into creating the mighty Minotaur class, which I could say were probably the most powerful Broadside Ironclads during the 1860s. It is a shame that more didn't survive, but there history and design ideas survive on in Warrior and Gannet. We are extremely lucky to have Warrior, was once the first British ironclad capital ship, but its also amazing that such a beautiful ship should now be the last of the british capital ship ironclads which outlived them all. The start of it all, the mighty Warrior! 👌👍
Two years into my Drac life and still you blow me away with how much you know. Take a bow 😅
A video made of Warrior with Uncle Drach narrating? My birthday's come early!
Drachinifel, your video reminds me of the documentaries and learning programs that we watched in grade school in the 1980s in the United States, but better done. Your narration reminds me of a combination of David Attenborough and James Burke.
She's actually a great looking ship.
Like the Unicorn video (Which is a fantastic little museum, I did visit after seeing the video), I still learned some very interesting things, despite being well aware of Warrior and her significance. Her layout and amenities seem impressively recognisable as modern and I was completely unaware that she pioneered the modern bridge as we know it.
I hope at some point HMS Trincomalee might get a Drachinifel-Drop-In, and both Chatham and Portsmouth are high up my list of places I medically need to visit having ticked off HMS Unicorn.
As someone who is likely never going to get a chance to see these ships (In the UK) in person, I greatly appreciate this
I went to see HMS Warrior as a 4 year-old with my Dad. We'd got a ticket to see the Mary Rose, HMS Warrior and HMS Victory. This would have been in the very early 90s.
It has stuck with me ever since and is a day I will never forget. It's a beautiful ship and beautifully presented for the public.
Very Interesting ... As an Ex-RN oaf myself I went around this ship a while ago. It was amazing !! Bit expensive - but worth the outlay. You showed a lot of stuff I missed .... but missed a lot of stuff I loved! You didn't mention the diving gear in the magazine ...(My Speciality ) or the way the Screw was deployed & retracted !! Loved that! IMHO one of the best historical sites in the UK to visit!
Gotta leave something for people to discover! 😀
Slightly off topic, but right next to the Explosion museum in Gosport is the Powder Monkey Brewery tap house, right on the harbour side. The museum run their own ferry to Explosion and the submarine HMS Alliance in Gosport.
42:52 Don't lift with your goddamn back!
Wonderd if I was the only one noticing.
While the 50 kilo of a 110 pdr shell are quite doable for a normal guy, I strongly recommend lifting from the knees with the back kept as straight as possible.
What a cool ship. She's top of my list of things to do if I ever visit Britain.
Also, the thing about the 40 pound Armstrong gun being not hated. The Armstrong breach system was originally designed for light field artillery. In that role it worked very well. The Japanese used some during the Boshin War and rather liked the things.
The non-ordinance people then asked for a larger version for siege and shipboard use. Unfortunately the system didn't prove to be scalable, hense the failure of the 110 pounder.
I find it fascinating that despite it's faults they had enough of them just lying around to refit Warrior when they were needed
@@jamesmaclennan4525 Some, if not all of them, are fake. I believe they chose fibreglass as the replica material.
@@waverleyjournalise5757 I think they all are. They did use an actual 110 pounder to create the mold, though.
The thing is though, the 12 pounder and 40 pounders also had the same issues. During the same bombardment Drach mentioned, there were also failures of the breech with the 40 pounders. And failures recorded with the 12 pounder while in action in China, Fiji, and New Zealand. The one in Fiji I believe actually killed a good portion of the boat crew.
It all came down to the breech mechanism was too complicated to function in a combat environment. The same can be attributed to the Whitworth breach loaders of the time.
@@redman2989 Good to know. Thanks!
The first armored battleship of the Royal Navy, and also the last surviving battleship of the Royal Navy 🇬🇧⚓
the Mikasa in Japan 1902 is the last/recent surviving British made Battleship
@@davidrenton True, but Mikasa was never a Royal Navy ship, so it is an irony that the only armored line-of-battle ship in Royal Navy service to survive to this day is the first one, despite the dozens that would follow her. Real funny how history works.
I did not know Warrior had been kept for posterity. Great vid.
lift with your legs not your bad, you madman! amazing vid
Only armored battleship UK has left. HMS Victory is a Battle Ship of the LIne. Or Ship of the Line of Battle where the name Battleship came from. And the Ship of the Line were the Battleships of their period.
Love this video tour of Warrior. I regret not having the time to tour her in person the couple of times I've been in Portsmouth. If I ever find myself there again, I will have to rectify that.
In everything I've read about Warrior, I've never heard of her having any major hull repairs, such as replacement of large sections of plating or anything of the sort. I haven't even read when she was last drydocked. The longevity of her wrought-iron hull is astonishing, considering that she has been in the water, more or less continuously since 1860, while her near-contemporary SS Great Britain had to have a glass top built over the drydock at the waterline to keep the hull from more or less sublimating out of existence, and much newer steel-hulled ships like USS Olympia, USS Texas, and USS The Sullivans have all had major issues with hull integrity.
I find it almost as odd that I don't see much of anything referencing her remarkable durability.
If anyone can provide any good info on why this 162 year old iron hull has lasted so well through so many years of neglect before restoration, I'd be quite curious to hear it.
I love this video. Especially impressed by your hands-on approach and your emphasis on trying to show the ship, over trying to hide production difficulties. Great job!
This ship is much BIGGER in person with Drach than it looks in the travel brochure
Yeah. The scale of ships is really misleading in most pictures. If this looks big, imagine what an Iowa class would be like next to this.
Very interesting, Drach. A question: those rails for positioning the bow and stern chasers are quite interesting. Can those guns still be moved? It would very cool to see them in action.
I love Wednesday Rum Ration. I have actually been on board Warrior, and I love it. I have also been on HMS Victory too.
This has to be one of my favorite episodes. Very well done Drach, and thanks to the National Museum of the Royal Navy for giving you...and thus all of us such access!