The roots of the girl boss and dismantling egomania

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  • Bonjour à tous !
    The girl boss isn't new and it doesn't look like egomania is going to disappear anytime soon. So let's talk about it :)
    SOURCES:
    Jill Greenlee. The Political Consequences of Motherhood, Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2014
    Caroline Criado-Perez. Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men, 2019.
    Janet L. Yellen, "The history of women’s work and wages and how it has created success for us all", Brookings Institute, May 2020, www.brookings....
    Barbara and John Ehrenreich, "The Death of the Yuppie Dream", Feb 2013, inthesetimes.c...
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    Daniel Mahardika - Departure - thmatc.co/?l=4...
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    À bientôt, Alice

КОМЕНТАРІ • 223

  • @PettyBlue1
    @PettyBlue1 3 роки тому +563

    I’ve always found the terms “girl-boss” and “boss-babe” very problematic. It seems to still imply that it is not ok for a woman to work, or that it compromises so called feminine traits. This “look, you can have it all” approach only stresses the contrast between “girl” and “boss”. Nobody would coin a term for things people thought naturally go together, like “girl-nurse” or “mom babe”. It makes me lean on the side of thinking that “girl-boss” culture is toxic for an inclusive society.

    • @spacequeen8329
      @spacequeen8329 3 роки тому +30

      Exactly. Men don't call themselves boy bosses or boss hunks or career dudes. They call themselves managers or executives or entrepreneurs or professionals.

    •  3 роки тому +8

      Right on! Though, even if the proper term was 'woman-boss', it would still be toxic because it would mean we would still be living in a hierarchical slave wage system.
      If you watched The Take (2004), my favorite part is when a woman, a seamstress, one of the people who took over their own factory, says: "We pay ourselves a fair salary. We discuss how much money we have, how much to save, and how much to take. For us as workers, accounting is easy. I don't know why it's so hard for the bosses... to pay salaries, buy materials and pay the bills. For me it's easy - you add and subtract. (...) I don't know if I'm getting ahead of myself here, but maybe we can run the country this way." What a mighty woman! Power to the people! We don't want to be bosses, woman liberation will bring equality for ALL

    • @matthewatwood8641
      @matthewatwood8641 2 роки тому +2

      Working does compromise femininity. The working world is extremely competitive. The stakes are very high. Women are not typically aggressive in the way that men typically are. To me the term girl boss suggests a woman who exhibits excessive aggression often inappropriately to cover up her more passive feminine nature. Women have been having it pounded into their heads that they're a failure if they don't want to abandon family & motherhood & have a self serving life & career that revolves around her. Seen it all my life now.

  • @TessaShabram
    @TessaShabram 3 роки тому +584

    As a woman engineer, one of the most toxic experiences for me was actually the society of women engineers in college. I joined thinking it was a support system for women engineers but it’s actually just woman trying to rack up the best extra curriculars and scholarships for their resume and be better than the other women engineers. It’s called horizontal hostility, you are fighting for your chance to make it against the others like you, like a competition.

    • @l0_0l45
      @l0_0l45 3 роки тому +6

      Which branch of engineering did you take? Cuz, In my branch(Mechanical), only a single woman was there in our class, and she constantly got asked by the professors if she had accidentally come to the wrong branch(initially). Maybe she would have benefitted from a group like society of woman engineers. Is it a professional society like ASME, ASHRAE etc or is it a local group?

    • @TessaShabram
      @TessaShabram 3 роки тому +19

      @@l0_0l45 I am an environmental engineer, which is about 50/50 women to men. SWE is a professional society and is national. It definitely can be beneficial, but the chapter at my school was a little too "climb to the top while pushing others down" culture.

    • @guknhguhcrujbcd3962
      @guknhguhcrujbcd3962 3 роки тому +21

      But that is so normal . Ofc people are gonna compete with each other in the same job field . Why do you expect that they will be your support group ? Why do you even need a support group ? Stop hating on selfish women they do what they need to do .

    • @l0_0l45
      @l0_0l45 3 роки тому +3

      @@TessaShabram Ok. Thanks for the info, I didn't know SWE was a national society, since its not present in my country. Well, regarding the _"climb to the top and push other down"_ culture, personally I've not seen it in professional societies because they only meet when some event or workshop was being conducted, but such behaviour was common in the classroom. No one likes the people who are constantly trying to one up while harming others but I'm glad to leave those guys to their own problems after leaving college.

    • @anthonymalik9952
      @anthonymalik9952 3 роки тому +13

      From your description I don't see why this made the chapter at your college toxic. We should be in favor of women engaging in the best extra curriculars, securing scholarships etc. These things should inspire other members. Engineering is a serious endeavor and the more gifted or hardworking should excel. The role of any professional support society should never be to promote their own mediocre members over exceptional candidates from other groups.

  • @sophiaisabella7795
    @sophiaisabella7795 3 роки тому +206

    I think the new age girl boss ideology mainly recognizes White Anglo-Saxton women. Much like the earlier feminists movements, black women, other women of color, and immigrant women were largely excluded from the female empowerment movement. More often when we think of women first emerging in the workforce we think of their help and influence during and post war. Although, black women, other women of color, and immigrant women have been in the workforce since the very beginning! Thank you for your take on this subject and opening up dialogue. I have just found your channel and have been binging and enjoying your wonderful videos!

    • @berlinorientexpress4818
      @berlinorientexpress4818 3 роки тому +10

      I don't know where you are from, but as far as I know in pretty much all places women have been in the work force since the beginning of industrialization. And that includes white, Anglo-Saxon women, especially them, if we regard England as the birthplace of industrialization. However I agree with you because "girlboss" recognizes work as empowering, which is usually a white middle class perspective. This probably do not match with the experiences of most working class women and WOC who may value not being dependent totally on a men, but whose jobs do not give them enough to have real financial independence and security and feel rather exploitative.

    • @idontevenhaveapla7224
      @idontevenhaveapla7224 3 роки тому +3

      @@berlinorientexpress4818 Agreed. All women have been in the work force. The ideal housewife stereotype is Not what was real.

  • @imani0nline
    @imani0nline 3 роки тому +295

    What’s interesting to see is that the women who actually identify as girlbosses are just other cogs in the machine (with reference to mlms) and the actual women in high positions of power aim to distance themselves from the identity of ”The girl”

  • @jesusismybestie3
    @jesusismybestie3 3 роки тому +22

    "The girl boss has to immerse herself in the egomania characteristic of the neoliberal system" fantastic!

  • @larkfly9273
    @larkfly9273 3 роки тому +108

    the fact that girl boss is an infantile way to word it was interesting. Never occured to me. your level of smartness and eloquence really speaks to me. I'm 31 and without sounding condescending - when I hear you speak I really feel like if this is the future, the youth, we are good.

    • @Ermude10
      @Ermude10 3 роки тому +6

      Society and its values only progress thanks to older generations, who keep the status quo and outdated ideas, die while younger generations and their ideas slowly matures. If you want to be "on the right side of history", look at the younger generations and see what values they strive for more than their older peers :)

    • @larkfly9273
      @larkfly9273 3 роки тому +3

      @@Ermude10 That's true. Not that everything always gets better, but it mostly does I think. This was worded very well, thanks for the insight about older generations keeping status quo and that this also needs to be done to provide a foundation for new ideas and new times. I've had that in my mind as a thought but haven't been able to word it just right.
      I think that you are absolutely right in all these statements.

  • @Vale-ej1fz
    @Vale-ej1fz 3 роки тому +106

    Many people drop out of school because they believe they will be popular on the Internet. The 2018 Censis Report shows that in Italy over 50% of young people think they can be successful on social media. It would be interesting if you could deepen the topic of education linked to the imaginary of social media's success. Nowadays the majority of young people value followers more than education. Could it be some sort of threat to the culture of the future?

    • @ameena6485
      @ameena6485 Рік тому +1

      I thought people also did that in the past to chase fame and become an actor/musician or some other celebrity. But maybe it wasn’t as common then - or it paid off more due to reduced competition.

  • @markolivan224
    @markolivan224 3 роки тому +71

    I love the history lesson segment as it does affirm how 'Girl Boss' was a trend in the millennial generation looking for a label or a catchy hook (to sell books). Thanks again, capitalism. You made many good points on why it was unsustainable and how it even poisoned the heroes themselves. thank you.

  • @TwoSugarsandMilk201
    @TwoSugarsandMilk201 3 роки тому +311

    I’d be fine with the term ‘Girl Boss’ if people also used the term ‘Boy Boss’

    • @guknhguhcrujbcd3962
      @guknhguhcrujbcd3962 3 роки тому +6

      Ugh who cares ? Noone cares about this little things . If you do then you don't have enough problems my friend and you pick problems with stupid words.

    • @AsadoMao
      @AsadoMao 3 роки тому +31

      @@guknhguhcrujbcd3962 well clearly a lot of people care. Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean other people don’t either.

    • @k3yr4r
      @k3yr4r 3 роки тому +2

      Its under the toxic masculinity umbrella

    • @HowdyItLovll
      @HowdyItLovll 3 роки тому +4

      Boss baby

    • @talideon
      @talideon 3 роки тому

      I'm cool with that... so long as they're all up against the wall when the revolution comes.

  • @alphabettical1
    @alphabettical1 3 роки тому +108

    Considering the use of 'girl' instead of 'women', I wonder where the word falls (timeline-wise) with the similarly watered down and sold for profit 'girl power' term.

  • @goodfella9867
    @goodfella9867 3 роки тому +11

    So much food for thought in this video! Thank you! What mainly irked me about the girlboss word/trend since the beginning and what you perfectly articulated in this video, was that it never was there to promote substantial change not only in the working force but also socially. "Girlbosses" are essentially a form of the american dream, catered specifically to girls. They strive to become rich and climb the social ladder without helping their fellow women, especially women that come from more marginalized groups. They take individuality to an unsettling extreme and then pretend it does something good for women as a whole. And like no. It just fattens their pockets. Great video!

  • @katelinbudge4213
    @katelinbudge4213 3 роки тому +16

    Thank you! I love how you delved deeper into the surface of the ‘girlboss’ concept and brought up the infantilism of the term.
    Your videos are always so well researched and structured, and the topics you speak on are interesting and important (in my opinion).Thank you for sharing your content.

  • @ramishachaudhary952
    @ramishachaudhary952 3 роки тому +7

    Hi Alice. I appreciate how you're able to make such strong points with your soft tone and gentleness. It's something that's dying in our world where everyone is shouting. 💗🌸

  • @individualm6712
    @individualm6712 3 роки тому +5

    COMPARTMENTALIZED ETHICS!!!! THANK YOU ❤️
    I have been looking for a phrase to explain to friends how one can be kind to/ marry/love a marginalized person on the under and be a proud boy/skinhead/person who votes against a partner's interests, etc.

  • @vinireads
    @vinireads 3 роки тому +2

    The amount of research you put into your videos is honestly commendable.

  • @moniqueeebite
    @moniqueeebite 2 роки тому +2

    God this channel is so underrated. Thank you for the sociological analysis

  • @hellow0rld798
    @hellow0rld798 3 роки тому +4

    Being a girl boss sounds tiring. Side note: the Netflix series girlboss is quite entertaining if you can handle the main character’s lack of social empathy. I actually think it’s really interesting to see a character without “qualifications” or “experience” have a vision and carry it out. It shook me out of some thought patterns - I’m really liking brat characters or dark feminine characters lately, I think it’s so freeing to see them to release myself from how womxn are socialized and yt/colonial rules

  • @097jupiter
    @097jupiter 3 роки тому +1

    this video got recommended to me at an insanely accurate time cuz i’m dealing with a case of egomania w/ my manager at my job right now

  • @MiG16.46
    @MiG16.46 3 роки тому +2

    This reminded me the movie: “Working Girl” with Melanie Griffith, Sigourney Weaver and Harrison Ford.

  • @allyt.1129
    @allyt.1129 3 роки тому +2

    I just love your channel so much, thank u for sharing this, I never miss your videos they keep me thinking all day long

  • @alphabettical1
    @alphabettical1 3 роки тому +62

    This isn't a criticism but in case you'd appreciate knowing: I think its Yuppie like yup (yes). Yuh-pee.

    • @joetucker5483
      @joetucker5483 3 роки тому +11

      I kinda liked the new pronunciation, though 😂

    • @BryceAllenAustralia
      @BryceAllenAustralia 3 роки тому +15

      The English pronunciation is yuppies (like puppies), "les yuppys" (like poopy) is the French pronunciation

    • @joetucker5483
      @joetucker5483 3 роки тому +2

      @@BryceAllenAustralia I learned! Thanks.

    • @charlotteconnandevries9460
      @charlotteconnandevries9460 3 роки тому

      @@BryceAllenAustralia Really, like "youpi" then? I don't think I ever heard someone talking about yuppies in French but youpi means something else entirely...

    • @BryceAllenAustralia
      @BryceAllenAustralia 3 роки тому

      @@charlotteconnandevries9460 what does it mean? Unfortunately, all I know of French is what Google Translate tells me :S

  • @texaspoontappa2088
    @texaspoontappa2088 3 роки тому +19

    "Do you think Margaret Thatcher had girl power?"

  • @arkwhite23
    @arkwhite23 3 роки тому +3

    It don't matter if your a man or a woman, a toxic manager is still a toxic manager. Great managers keep a staff coming back. Toxic ones destroy the morale of their subordinates and end up with high staff turnover which ends up costing the business in the long run. If a business has a high staff turnover it indicates there is a managerial problem. You need an effective manager in your H.R departments that keeps the staff engaged and valued or you will see employees leave in droves.

  • @oilpastelier.
    @oilpastelier. 3 роки тому +1

    Just what I needed. Thanks for this 🌼✨❤️

  • @jennydieeu
    @jennydieeu Рік тому +1

    Thank You

  • @colleenrawson8477
    @colleenrawson8477 3 роки тому

    Love this video and thought the little girlboss interviews from different time periods were really clever!

  • @saraatppkdotpt8140
    @saraatppkdotpt8140 3 роки тому +1

    Love listening to your opinions 👍

  • @dhribbler7303
    @dhribbler7303 3 роки тому +1

    This may sound a bit weird but even the movie Elle seems to comment on the Girlboss phenomena to some extent.

  • @Magjes
    @Magjes 2 роки тому +1

    Nice video very entertaining thanks.

  • @stephennootens916
    @stephennootens916 Рік тому

    I have to admit that I always thought the word girlboss was a bit funny. It makes me think of the Japanese work Sukeban which means delinquent girl but is used in reference to the leader of a girl gang which is way it is often read as girlboss in some English tranlation.

  • @yasminzeidan8659
    @yasminzeidan8659 3 роки тому +8

    I literally could not stand all 'girl bossing' 🤪 of Kamala Harris? And in the name! of representation!!🥺🥺.
    Great Video Alice!!

  • @ish5669
    @ish5669 3 роки тому

    Though it's clear that emancipation and equality within capitalism and neoliberalism is not possible, I wonder how it would be if girl bosses loudly resisted the "masculine" workplace traits. Like for example, what if instead of saying "women should be loud" "women should take up space" " women should stop being soft on others" they would promote "men should yield space" "men should be kinder in their communication". idk
    great video! thanks for the in depth discussion, its lovely :)

  • @pascoett
    @pascoett 2 роки тому

    An order is an order, doesn’t matter from whom it‘s coming. I personally prefer to have successful happy ladies as friends but not as bosses, coworkers or clients. There’s more pressure on lady bosses, I admit that. The one‘s I know are usually stressed a lot and can be microaggressive to vent steam. As a man I feel best when at least on par with women. I grew up with a dragon (who was the wife of the company boss) at home and I will always love her, but that’s enough for one lifetime.

  • @spacesheep2110
    @spacesheep2110 3 роки тому

    in my opinion the problem is not necessarily that the system is patriarchal as u mentioned it uses men’s language, men’s cards and so on but rather the system fails to be a true managerial system, bureaucratic and meritocratic. the reason for the persistent preference for this so called “masculine traits” shows the failure of the system to stay blind of personal politics. if the corporate world is truly meritocratic traits ought not to be a factor for such expectation of productivity. also i like the part when u scoffed at women being expected to be inherently good, again such expectation is a testament to the lack of weberian bureaucracy and poses a double burden on women in the corporate world to be both a “good woman” and a “good boss” which the former in my opinion should bear no effect as the goodness of a person in society is directly related to gender ie what deems as a good woman vs a good man (ofc as we isolate the corporate mechanism the fight for the eradication of that distinction and replace with a gender neutral what deems a person good is more a social cause) tldr the corporate world is hypocritical in a way that it advertises to follow meritocracy that is immune to personal politics of the general social structure but continues to use such political mechanisms as a scapegoat for ruptures and failures to free their hands of blame.

  • @bgs7529
    @bgs7529 3 роки тому

    Very well put. Thanks for explaining the subject so well that I can just send friends and tell them "here is what I think about your weird, inherently sexist Girlboss LinkedIn post".

  • @Teee6
    @Teee6 3 роки тому +2

    You know your channel is picking up steam when you get spite dislikes within 10 minutes of the premiere. Hashtag girlboss?

  • @chiluditospro2
    @chiluditospro2 2 роки тому +1

    I have a question. Where are all the 50-50% rules when it comes to laying brick, masonry in general, sewage cleaning, high risk, toguh, shitty jobs that actually keep society going, etc?
    I'd like to see a few feminist marches for that TRUE EQUALITY.
    Why only advocate for the nice, comfortable at the office with AC and nice environment jobs or jobs in positions of power or influence?
    Men are asked to become feminine, why can't women grab a shovel, or some cement, and become more masculine?
    I'd like to see how quickly they'd go to the kitchen after being under 40deg sun shoveling everyday and arriving home with a sore body. It's just funny.

  • @elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
    @elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 3 роки тому

    Everybody knows the best girl boss: Chad Thundercock.
    He is truly amazing.

  • @lw4423
    @lw4423 3 роки тому +2

    "the yoopi culture" lol

    • @emr2710
      @emr2710 3 роки тому

      Thank you!! No judgment at all btw. It just snuck up and made me genuinely laugh after so long.

  • @xMASZELx
    @xMASZELx 3 роки тому +1

    I wish you were the president

  • @JJRasta97
    @JJRasta97 2 роки тому

    Yoopee lol yes I do

  • @Karen-ib4wf
    @Karen-ib4wf 2 роки тому +1

    Questions:
    1.) As a white privileged woman, are you aware of your internalized xenophobia?
    2.) Why are you implying that ethnic minorities read… to seek western validation? Why the micro aggression?
    3.) Are you a hypocrite for turning off your comments after people called your racist white ass?

  • @guknhguhcrujbcd3962
    @guknhguhcrujbcd3962 3 роки тому +2

    Why are you so oppose to individualism ? Like actually there is no strength in numbers you know. If a lot of people are work for one thing usually most people try to do as little as possible . And people who really works dont get enough credit because they share the credit . So I think being a girl boss is still a good option for women because women need financal freedom in order to not need men .

  • @gvi341984
    @gvi341984 3 роки тому

    Now that the female patriarchy is over and now the 32 genders is in. Wonder what sorta craziness will come out of this
    For American psycho the movie he was delirious the entire time. Did he even have the job he says he had ?

  • @GadgetsGearCoffee
    @GadgetsGearCoffee 3 роки тому +57

    I hate the term girl boss. Why do we need girl in front of boss? I always just call myself and other women: boss.

  • @ForeignManinaForeignLand
    @ForeignManinaForeignLand 3 роки тому +178

    Mi swear as soon as I hear Girl boss, I get PTSD from those aggressive MLM schemes where middle aged mums that peaked in high school are contacting ppl from their past to get them in on a deal that would "liberate" them from their dehumanizing 9-5 and become a boss of their own life 😩

    • @AmanirenaII
      @AmanirenaII 3 роки тому +1

      Yup same. Also, loved your Micheal B Jordan video.

    • @ForeignManinaForeignLand
      @ForeignManinaForeignLand 3 роки тому

      @@AmanirenaII thank you so much - it's turning out to be a Contraversial one lol

    • @zeynepburcukaya
      @zeynepburcukaya 2 роки тому

      "On Becoming a God in Central Florida" was interesting in relation to these topica.

  • @allllll5609
    @allllll5609 3 роки тому +68

    The zoom on the Red Flag, I-😭😭😭

  • @Ronniezim
    @Ronniezim 3 роки тому +47

    Whenever I hear “girl boss” i think of MLMs and other manipulative structures that co opt the term to take advantage of women.

  • @jonferngut
    @jonferngut 3 роки тому +76

    The "girl-boss" movement is strongly connected with how feminism was understood in the 90's and early 00's, when empowerment was achieved by copying attitudes of those in power (white wealthy men), disregarding their moral validity. From being as physically appealing as possible within the set standards, sex-driven, hostile to potential "threats", to, what this video conveys, compliant with the capitalist agenda, ambassadors of the "shark mindset". We tend to understand that "we" are living in different times now, but there are many who share values from 20, 30 or 50 years ago.

  • @thepremudraya
    @thepremudraya 3 роки тому +77

    My grandmothers (born in 30ies) worked in former Sowjetunion as pediatric physician and geophysicist, there was no need to be "girlboss" , "boss ladies" or whatever. Women worked in every field and it was normal. They dressed and acted like women, raised children and worked.
    They never wanted to compete with the men, they were equal.

  • @RhianKristen
    @RhianKristen 3 роки тому +98

    I never fell for the girl boss rhetoric when I was younger because I always saw it as similar to hustle culture. Just another way for Capitalism to get as many people as possible to work for as many hours as possible but with the added condescension of gendering the process. It took on the appearance of trying to get women to work by selling us a pink drill.
    I don’t feel empowered “hustling” like a slave while some idiot tells me to feel grateful for all the cute pink tools I have.

    • @izkoism
      @izkoism 3 роки тому

      Well said!

    • @anonkasper7937
      @anonkasper7937 2 роки тому

      You will have much worser things in your socialist utopia like being gender neutral gender fluid gulag as socialist Bolsheviks of 1930s did😹😹.Be happy atleast neo liberal capatilalist democracy is giving you this much rights to speak whatever you want.If you have the right knowlege you can pick up a loan and can build a startup those things associated with individual freedom are absent in a communist gulag utopia😂😂.Either you will be stripped of your land and private property like the Ukranian s of 1932 where 6 million perished under the honourable socialist utopia

    • @anonkasper7937
      @anonkasper7937 2 роки тому

      @@cicolas_nage common now how many countries are full communist democracies?.Don't you get the ultimate difference democracy and communism are absolute enemies of each other.You have to counter argument with arguments without throwing personal insults which are quite illogical and a resort a desparate person turns to when he/she has no valid arguments

  • @s_tyliana_777
    @s_tyliana_777 3 роки тому +11

    i have the following belief: when women joined labor for the first time they saw how men worked and applied that to their behavior, to not only fit in, but to make it through all the judgemental men in the workforce. but even so, my belief has nothing to support the fact that we, as women, take down other women, simply because we "must be better" than the men in labor. it's honestly disgusting and infuriating.
    merci for the video, bon nuit!💜

  • @StephanieJeanne
    @StephanieJeanne 3 роки тому +16

    Thank you, Alice! I really liked your little vignettes in between the discussions. And a great discussion it was! 😊👍

  • @gickyvergo4597
    @gickyvergo4597 3 роки тому +17

    I sometimes could not relate to the ''girl boss'' trend (the way it is portrayed today) but never really could put into words or thoughts why. Thank you for this video!

  • @chrisclarkx
    @chrisclarkx 3 роки тому +23

    Great illumination on this topic! In America there’s a saying “you throw a ball like a girl” which is something that should definitely change.

  • @user-dn9gz5lu4y
    @user-dn9gz5lu4y 3 роки тому +9

    Your videos are always so wonderful!

  • @AlvaroMF13
    @AlvaroMF13 3 роки тому +5

    There's no emancipation within the framework of capitalism and there's no sugarcoating this fact

  • @MiguelThinks
    @MiguelThinks 3 роки тому +8

    I was just having this discussion with my sister and another UA-camr about the girl boss thing last night. Very timely upload!! haha 🌹

  • @LauraSallaerts1
    @LauraSallaerts1 3 роки тому +4

    Such an interesting video on this topic! I find myself torn between being a good feminist through rejecting all 'biologically weaker' theories, and being a good feminist through rejecting harsh professional, competitive environments, which implies I am indeed soft, 'weak' and unsuited for this professional environment :'D I 'girlbossed' for five years as a lawyer, and it felt very alienating for someone who wasn't willing to adapt to that level of competition and individualism... My hope for the future is that we will start to value care

  • @felixw8004
    @felixw8004 2 роки тому +2

    Funny that you mention Thatcher. She went to war against Vietnam

  • @hepcatliz
    @hepcatliz Рік тому +1

    such a random comment, I know, but Alice's accent is adorable here! Ive been binging a bunch of her videos, makes me wonder how long she'd been in Ireland at this point. I listen to these at 1.5x speed, and she's picked up a bit of the brogue on a few words. I'm here for it!! 😅👍

  • @zainmudassir2964
    @zainmudassir2964 Рік тому +1

    Good breakdown of the Girlboss trend

  • @Alaskan-Armadillo
    @Alaskan-Armadillo Рік тому +1

    As I learn more and more about feminism I find that the reason I upset so many feminists when I was younger was not because they were feminists but because they were girl bosses and white feminists who didn't like me pointing out their double standards. It is just frustrating because feminism is about challenging the systems that make up the patriarchy not being on top and dominating those below. All girl bosses do in my opinion is recycle patriarchal talking points then say that progress has been made because now they're CEO. Meanwhile the women below them suffer and are told to be happy because now their boss is a woman.

  • @LogicGated
    @LogicGated 2 роки тому +1

    Gotta love liberal feminism lol, this is a good reminder to always ground your thinking in materialist perspectives.

  • @nanatruc3484
    @nanatruc3484 3 роки тому +3

    Salut, super vidéo comme d'habitude! J'avais envie de rebondir avec quelque chose moyennement en rapport mais qui m'intrigue, et qui peut-être peut t'intéresser aussi.
    Après avoir regardé cette vidéo, je me suis demandée: quand est-il en France? Dernièrement, j'ai passé beaucoup de temps à fouiller et à comparer la musique pop française de ces 30 dernières années avec celle mondiale (anglo-saxonne, sud-coréenne...), sans but précis à la base. Et là récemment j'ai remarqué quelque chose: les thèmes de girlboss, ou girl power (qui est un peu différent j'en suis consciente) sont très présents dans les chansons de ces autres pays, mais je n'ai pas retrouvé ça en France. Pourtant j'ai grandi en écoutant Lorie, Shy'm, Amel Bent, Zaho, Tal... toutes des femmes qui auraient été le parfait porte-voix pour ce genre de thèmes, mais quand je regarde leurs chansons je vois pas ces sujets là (Tal a fait "des fleurs et des flammes" en 2016/7 mais elle est passée inaperçue). Si une chanson parle d'émancipation, ça sera une histoire individuelle qui est pas rattachée à leur genre. La seule chanson récente que j'ai en tête qui a eu du succès c'est "je veux le monde" de la comédie musicale Les Amants de la Bastille, où le thème de la révolution est inhérent à toutes les chansons du spectacle.
    Perso j'en conclurai pas forcément que le mouvement féministe est moins puissant en France mais, et c'est ma théorie, qu'en France on a pas exactement la même conception de la réussite? que "be your own boss" "rule everyone", qu'ils s'agissent d'hommes ou femmes ça reste des idées qui, j'ai l'impression, sont très américaines et moins fantasmées en France? Est-ce que ça veut dire que tout ce dont tu parles dans ta vidéo est aussi moins marqué en France?
    Maintenant il ne faut pas nier que, comparé à d'autres pays, on a beaucoup moins vu de collabs entre chanteuses donc peut-être qu'en effet la sororité est moins ancrée ici. Bref hésite pas toi Alice ou n'importe quel français voyant ce commentaire à réagir, surtout si c'est pour me contredire!

    • @AliceCappelle
      @AliceCappelle  3 роки тому +3

      Je suis assez d'accord avec toi, je cherchais des contre-exemples à ce que tu proposes mais je n'arrive pas à en trouver. C'est vrai que l'egomania centrée autour de la réussite et donc l'argent semble moins forte en France, peut être parce que l'argent reste quelque chose de moins discuté, tabou. Je n'écoute pas trop les nouvelles artistes françaises mais ce serait intéressant de voir si le culte de la personnalité et de la réussite individualiste prend de l'ampleur (en musique ou autre part d'ailleurs) étant donné l'américanisation de nos médias etc. Merci beaucoup pour ton commentaire, ça me fait bien réfléchir 😊

  • @michaelhoran407
    @michaelhoran407 Рік тому +1

    I think you should apply to join the French military for helicopter pilot training.

  • @pls-shanice
    @pls-shanice Рік тому +1

    isn't a girlboss basically a 'capitalist pick me'?

  • @Genny-Zee
    @Genny-Zee Рік тому +1

    They hate to see a boy boss wining

  • @oriongriffiths3030
    @oriongriffiths3030 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for another excellent essay. Could mistrust be a key factor in our obsession for power. We know ourselves better than anyone, at least we think we do. This pain of reflection, of a mirror produces a false projection which we then overlay upon others who share similar social characteristics. Hence the poor are dismissive of other poor, people have disdain for their home towns, women seek to be what they deem themselves to not be. We constantly perceive ourselves as empty vessels that need filling and as we all start of as blank canvasses is this reasonable, we also know that we are shaped by the context in which we are born, grow, work and age. Therefore at what point does it become problematic, where is the line between redressing our perceived deficits and self hatred. A self hatred that we ultimately end turning on others who are much like ourselves. Is self hatred the key ingredient of our extremely capitalist societies.

  • @maiasalsamendi3736
    @maiasalsamendi3736 3 роки тому +2

    just found you and i’ve been binge watching your videos. just wanted to say i love your content, and i really appreciate the books you put in in the description. i really enjoy how you explain and comment on the topics you make videos about. keep up the excellent work xx

  • @jackalopetecumseh9127
    @jackalopetecumseh9127 2 роки тому +1

    Its cute when she mispronounces yuppie.

  • @sicilieli1
    @sicilieli1 3 дні тому

    Wrong. The Queen cared about the working class. Thatcher did not. The Queen thought that Thatcher was very harsh in her attitude towards the working class.

  • @brogannicolemb
    @brogannicolemb 3 роки тому +1

    Kylie Jenner as the example of a self made woman ???

  • @sicilieli1
    @sicilieli1 3 дні тому

    Toxic behaviour is not less female than masculine.

  • @tanapoomohmwattanavijitkul7052
    @tanapoomohmwattanavijitkul7052 3 роки тому +2

    OMG the light and sound are amazing now! Congrats on becoming a full fledged youtuber ;)

  • @mr3465
    @mr3465 3 роки тому +1

    💛

  • @alicelond
    @alicelond 3 роки тому +2

    i love your channel so much and how you express your ideas. thanks so much for sharing

  • @Zingius
    @Zingius 3 роки тому +1

    I wholeheartedly appreciate you using your intelligence for something worthwhile in a productive manner. I believe tackling external issues is one rather effective way to find meaning.
    Action (external) drives change, both externally and internally, hopefully for the good, which probably are one’s intention. And I think you realise that we need to get our focus on external problems that we care about more, more so than shielding ourselves from the problems.
    Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪

  • @nothere224
    @nothere224 3 роки тому +1

    Such a good vídeo! I'm a mother of a toddler and the fact that some woman decide to show their "personal-work" balance always amazes me and makes me question myself. The Best example of it is Ursula von der Leyen's Twitter descripción: "President of the @EU_Comission. Mother of seven..." That always kills me and makes me laugh at the same time, I barely can with just one! Keep going on the great content!

  • @TwoSugarsandMilk201
    @TwoSugarsandMilk201 3 роки тому +2

    I loved your take on the ‘Girl Boss’ 💪🏽

  • @anttipeltola8578
    @anttipeltola8578 3 роки тому +1

    Never underestimate capitalism's capability to sell you your own subjugation and make it appear cool and trendy.

  • @PrettyTranslatorSarahMoon
    @PrettyTranslatorSarahMoon 3 роки тому +1

    FLAG 😂

  • @gamedev-erino5224
    @gamedev-erino5224 3 роки тому +1

    hearing it pronounced "you-pee" is fucking hilarious. and I was like??? oooh she means "yup-ie"

  • @emiliam2849
    @emiliam2849 3 роки тому +1

    Love your videos Alice! Love your point about the infantilising nature of the term itself

  • @nikrodriguez
    @nikrodriguez 3 роки тому +1

    I remember bringing my first girlfriend home, and when she stayed for too long her mother would call her and yell "I'M GONNA STOP PAYING YOUR BILLS!!!!".
    So, people still make assumptions about your role in society based on your biological gender. It took me a lot of time and studying to realize this kind of thinking is getting more and more behind us. It's a big journey to accept the fact that society changes throughout time. The boomer generation went to school believing they would leave the school system knowing everything there is to be known. Also, when it's time for them to enroll their kids in school they expect it to be the exact same school they went to. Dropping this unconscious collective ideal that you have to live your life in a certain way and take certain decisions based on what's between your legs is something that takes a long time.
    I didn't even know about the existence of this term/movement "girlboss", but after watching the video it seemed something shallow and poorly thought.
    There's a very intense and thoughtful job going on at schools that try to take the gender spectrum out of this duality patterns, but we'll only see the outcome of this over the next generations. Meanwhile, these new trends of discussing roles based on gender is exactly what it is: a trend. Trends are temporary, only Doom is eternal.

  • @peteradaniel
    @peteradaniel 2 роки тому +1

    I always thought “Girlbossing” was just the millennial/ Zoomer evocation of the same ideas Sheryl Sandberg promotes in Lean in.

  • @hellucination9905
    @hellucination9905 Місяць тому

    It's a form of modern narcissism.

  • @pip5284
    @pip5284 3 роки тому +2

    Very true that women do not actually tend to like having female bosses.

    • @gloomydaysunshine8656
      @gloomydaysunshine8656 3 роки тому

      And male ones too so it's the traits that Women and people don't like not particularly "female bosses"

    • @majlordag1889
      @majlordag1889 3 роки тому +1

      Honestly i don't think it applies to female bosses that are actually good leaders. When a boss is a good leader, their gender won't be a bother for long.

  • @alelectric2767
    @alelectric2767 2 роки тому

    You sound so certain like you have the life experience to know.

  • @lulismurtinho2
    @lulismurtinho2 3 роки тому +5

    I really like your content! I'm glad there's people out there discussing the real problem! ;)

    • @lulismurtinho2
      @lulismurtinho2 3 роки тому

      there's a brazilian youtuber named Rita von Hunty (their videos may have english subtitles) that I think you might find interesting!

  • @rachelang2248
    @rachelang2248 2 роки тому +1

    i love the way alice pronounces "yuppie". adorable

  • @AveryTalksAboutStuff
    @AveryTalksAboutStuff 3 роки тому +3

    If I'm ever going to store and I see a girl boss mug or anything I get a little twitch 😂

  • @annalisamicc1118
    @annalisamicc1118 2 роки тому +1

    You're so smart and sweet 🥰

  • @kythrathesuntamer9715
    @kythrathesuntamer9715 3 роки тому

    I went out and watched I care a lot because of you and WOW at the end it felt like beautiful poetry that a 30 cent round stopped a multi million dollar nightmare company. I want to also point out that Marla was attempting to exploit another Elderly woman so She's litterally the fucking Aunt Lydia of this movie. individualistic and no solidarity between her an her vicitm.

  • @kythrathesuntamer9715
    @kythrathesuntamer9715 3 роки тому

    Thanks Alice for the recs of movies and netflix shows- I'll have to check some of these out. I agree with your take neoliberalism is killing feminism.

  • @williampan29
    @williampan29 3 роки тому

    Girlboss this, baby boss that...
    Just don't compromise your health and relationship if you can when choosing a path of life, what's so hard?
    Eventually we will all become ash and dust. And when we do, on our deathbed, we will ask ourselves:
    Do I live a life I found satisfying?
    Did I spend too much effort on whether I have live as a "textbook independent woman" or "textbook subject of patriarchy"?
    Have I spend too much time on pondering questions that the universe will never give me a precise answer, because the world is ultimately meaningless and absurd?
    All these feminist theoretical struggle for me, is hardly any different from philosophers in the past that had been struggling to deal with: that no beings higher than human will ever answer them, whether it is god or aliens. The only voice they will every truly heard is from themselves, which the question "is the voice truly innate or socially constructed?" will also never receive an answer from god or aliens.
    I believe a woman becomes truly independent, when she let go of these questions. A school of feminist thinking is the same--when it finally accepts ambiguity and opening questions of life.

  • @janebaker966
    @janebaker966 3 роки тому

    Not sure if this is a relevant comment but there was a lot of fuss made of The Spice Girls and how they represented Girl Power but they were 5 moderately capable background singers of a sort who were brought together,promoted and managed by a man. There was no "girl power" in it and now one of them tries to flog dresses that no one buys and keeps getting bailed out by her husband. I'll think of 3 women who I think represent "girl power" 1) Virginia McKenna,an actress who never ever fitted the conventional mould and has spent a lot of her life campaigning for animals 2) Betty Boothroyd. An English MP and one of our best ever speakers of The House of Commons,grew up in a working class home up North,was a Bluebell Girl in Paris,how glamorous is that,then put her considerable energy and intellect into politics 3) my Auntie Bernice now aged 87,her and her husband my Uncle Alec would have been the most wonderful parents ever but it never happened,such a cruel fate,and this was long before IVF but my Auntie has spent her whole life working with and helping run all sorts of youth groups in the place where she lives and now all the people who come to their house from the nurse to the plumber,she was their leader and carer as a kid and they all love her.

  • @woopy6176
    @woopy6176 3 роки тому

    I saw a picture on Pinterest once, with the caption : "what's your super power? "I am a woman" and i wasn't sure how to react, is this what they're teaching young girls? being a woman is being a human being, it's not a super power and the exact thing goes for a woman who's in charge or a woman in power it doesn't make her a "girl boss"... it's misguiding and absurd.

  • @miguelbastidas5918
    @miguelbastidas5918 3 роки тому

    Loved the video, but especially the final remarks. That's exactly de point of my favorite Yugopnik video, the one about the "middle class": "while the rural miner might not have a lot in common with the downtown programmer, there is far more common interest to be found in our unity than there is on our cultural disagreement"

  • @angelicvoice1729
    @angelicvoice1729 3 роки тому

    Amazing video and amazing books discussed!! I needed that content discussed on UA-cam