Seems that my welding positions are: Standing…everything is working well, Dancing…I forgot to put on my leather gators and some hot metal burned through my boot and is now between my toes and Lying down…a confluence of terrible things have happened followed by some series of unrelated words with many similar meanings all focused on whatever it is that put me in the lying down position. Thanks for a great welding video..I learned something.
I have more scars from welding than I can even count and stopped trying to yrs ago. I've even melted 2 toes together once and lemme tell you that nobody wants to do that. Please everyone wear the proper safety gear and stuff like sleeves or welding jackets and a quality welding helmet!
I was a welder fitter for many years, miss the trade big time. It was an awesome journey. excellent trade to get into. I forget all the theory just watch this to refresh my memory. Its been a long long time.
Adam, Nicely produced video! I gotta throw a few things out there though. There is a difference between "test positions" and "Welding Positions" according to AWS and also ASME. The "Positions" of welds are strictly Flat, Vertical, Horizontal, and Overhead. The Designations you refer to such as 6G, 1F, 3G, etc.. are strictly test position designations. In AWS D1.1, there is no reference to a "tolerance" as far as how much they deviate from the designated plane. Here is a definition from AWS Welding Handbook Volume 1, 9th edition. . welding test position designation. A symbol representation for a fillet weld or a groove weld, the joint orientation and the welding test position. See 1F, 2F, 2FR, 3F, 4F, 5F, 6F, 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, 6G, and 6GR. AWS and ASME differ slightly on test position allowable deviations however both describe the difference between test position and welding position. Production welding positions being referred to using a test position designation is a common mistake. Think of it like this, if you are qualified to weld 3G? How far can the weld axis lean from the true vertical position when making a production weld? Since AWS D1.1 doesn't specify how much, then you could only weld true vertical if your "papers" said you were qualified to weld 3G. The range of qualification on a WPQR for positions should always use the Flat, Vertical, Horizontal, and Overhead designations. The lincoln posters can be a little misleading. This is discussed a few times in various forums and articles online. Here is one that is a pretty old discussion that refers to another page of mine. app.aws.org/forum/topic_show.pl?tid=17895. There is probably an article or two by Walt Sperko discussing this common use of test positions as welding positions. AS Welders, we can use whatever we all feel comfortable with regarding terminology (Stick=SMAW=ARC Welding, FCAW=Flux=Dual Shield=Innershield=Wire Welding, etc...) but when it comes to documenting evidence regarding production welding, a report stating that I observed welding in the 3G position may not be a good way to go. Also, I have to disagree with the 6G being harder. It's kinda gravy compared to doing a 2G and 5G test but it may just be my lack of skill. I know that I have encountered students that have "6G" experience that make some pretty rough on the overhead part of a pipe.
Thank you for the additional clarifications Gerald, very well explained. Which topics or information should we add to the list of new content to create?
Best video I have seen explaining the welding positions and qualifications. The best bang for your buck if the 6G. You eliminate allot of tests with that one exam. Fabulous explanation.
Great 1st job and easy enough area to practice and learn as you go unlike a body panel that's clearly visible. Make sure you get a tube of seam sealer for when done welding. Then apply some good undercoating!
Nice little video for those that need/want to know those weld positions. One note tho. Six G pipe position is pretty tough because of how you have to come up and around the pipe. But I found 2 and 5 G pipe positions just about as hard. Maybe it's just me, but constantly working against gravity in that groove on 2G to keep your weld toes even is not real easy. Wears my right shoulder out on tig welding. And physically it's not so hard tho as say 5 G as you have to come up from bottom to top with both your head and body as well as keeping your torch (or stick) position consistent and to the pipe. One and three F positions aren't to bad as is I G for obvious reasons. So practice, focused concentration, and much effort are what win the day and conquer those tougher positions. In my opinion. Don't ever give up or quit when it seems undoable or too hard. Those who don't give up will gain the skills and satisfaction for sure.
3G/3F Vertical DOWN Im not a welder but I am an engineering student. Can any of you welding experts tell me... What applications/processes call for this? Is it only about access/reachability?
Vertical down is used in low pressure piping applications, thin sheet metal, etc. think anywhere the material needs to seal more than hold pressure. On thin like 1/8” to 22g materials penetration is not the problem, blowing through is, with a little practice dialing in settings one can achieve proper strength and a weld appropriate for the application. It can also be used in certain applications to remove undercut from the toes in a vertical up applied weld joint
Great information. Thank you for the content. I think you meant "2G Where the pipe is....... (vertical) not "horizontal" in your summary before the 5G position
As a resource for both seasoned professionals and newcomers to the industry there is a large variety of topics to cover. Often even folks with a few years under their belts are not aware of the ‘why’ testing is done in certain positions, or that they may not be qualified to weld in a position based on the angularity of the joint. What would you like to see in another video? Certain topics that would be beneficial?
Adam. Well done. Quick. Informative and with some helpful information along the way. Thank you for taking the time to do this . 👍
Seems that my welding positions are: Standing…everything is working well, Dancing…I forgot to put on my leather gators and some hot metal burned through my boot and is now between my toes and Lying down…a confluence of terrible things have happened followed by some series of unrelated words with many similar meanings all focused on whatever it is that put me in the lying down position. Thanks for a great welding video..I learned something.
I think you just summed up life in general. Funny stuff man!
I have more scars from welding than I can even count and stopped trying to yrs ago. I've even melted 2 toes together once and lemme tell you that nobody wants to do that. Please everyone wear the proper safety gear and stuff like sleeves or welding jackets and a quality welding helmet!
I'm not a welder and this is a much educational and informative. Clear and simple. Now I know what are you welders talking about when say "5G".
I was a welder fitter for many years, miss the trade big time. It was an awesome journey. excellent trade to get into. I forget all the theory just watch this to refresh my memory. Its been a long long time.
Outstanding. One of the better videos put out in a while. Articulate, knowledgeable, and to the point. Spot on!
Thank you, Adam! Well explained. That is a lot of info. I'll be watching this video a few times so I understand fully.
There’s a lot here. Feel free to reach out with any questions or clarifications. Glad you enjoyed
THANKS BROTHER FOR ALL YOU DO !!! THE LOVE FOR WELDING WELL NEVER DIE JUST GROW OLD WITH US ONE MASTER TO ANOTHER!!
Adam, Nicely produced video! I gotta throw a few things out there though. There is a difference between "test positions" and "Welding Positions" according to AWS and also ASME. The "Positions" of welds are strictly Flat, Vertical, Horizontal, and Overhead. The Designations you refer to such as 6G, 1F, 3G, etc.. are strictly test position designations. In AWS D1.1, there is no reference to a "tolerance" as far as how much they deviate from the designated plane. Here is a definition from AWS Welding Handbook Volume 1, 9th edition. .
welding test position designation. A symbol representation for a fillet weld or a groove weld, the joint orientation
and the welding test position. See 1F, 2F, 2FR, 3F, 4F, 5F, 6F, 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G, 6G, and 6GR.
AWS and ASME differ slightly on test position allowable deviations however both describe the difference between test position and welding position.
Production welding positions being referred to using a test position designation is a common mistake. Think of it like this, if you are qualified to weld 3G? How far can the weld axis lean from the true vertical position when making a production weld? Since AWS D1.1 doesn't specify how much, then you could only weld true vertical if your "papers" said you were qualified to weld 3G. The range of qualification on a WPQR for positions should always use the Flat, Vertical, Horizontal, and Overhead designations.
The lincoln posters can be a little misleading.
This is discussed a few times in various forums and articles online. Here is one that is a pretty old discussion that refers to another page of mine. app.aws.org/forum/topic_show.pl?tid=17895. There is probably an article or two by Walt Sperko discussing this common use of test positions as welding positions.
AS Welders, we can use whatever we all feel comfortable with regarding terminology (Stick=SMAW=ARC Welding, FCAW=Flux=Dual Shield=Innershield=Wire Welding, etc...) but when it comes to documenting evidence regarding production welding, a report stating that I observed welding in the 3G position may not be a good way to go.
Also, I have to disagree with the 6G being harder. It's kinda gravy compared to doing a 2G and 5G test but it may just be my lack of skill. I know that I have encountered students that have "6G" experience that make some pretty rough on the overhead part of a pipe.
Thank you for the additional clarifications Gerald, very well explained. Which topics or information should we add to the list of new content to create?
So much info in one vid. I’ll be watching this epicsode more than once.
what an amazingly informative video. had to comment to give props to the pro who was explaining everything so seamlessly.
Best video I have seen explaining the welding positions and qualifications. The best bang for your buck if the 6G. You eliminate allot of tests with that one exam. Fabulous explanation.
Very good at explaining. Simple and effective! Now I am going to make some money!
Ain't that easy but great drive!
im new to this all i want to do is restore my floor pans in my 95 jeep xj. awesome videos
Great 1st job and easy enough area to practice and learn as you go unlike a body panel that's clearly visible. Make sure you get a tube of seam sealer for when done welding. Then apply some good undercoating!
Top video thank you for sharing!
Great video!!!
Great video, very informative and really well presented.
Thanks for a great video. Very informative.
Excellent Video...Love You Man for crystal clarity
Adam, this was very informative and well done....Bravo.......PB
Very informative watching from korea
That really cleared so much up, thank you!!
Nice little video for those that need/want to know those weld positions. One note tho. Six G pipe position is pretty tough because of how you have to come up and around the pipe. But I found 2 and 5 G pipe positions just about as hard. Maybe it's just me, but constantly working against gravity in that groove on 2G to keep your weld toes even is not real easy. Wears my right shoulder out on tig welding. And physically it's not so hard tho as say 5 G as you have to come up from bottom to top with both your head and body as well as keeping your torch (or stick) position consistent and to the pipe. One and three F positions aren't to bad as is I G for obvious reasons. So practice, focused concentration, and much effort are what win the day and conquer those tougher positions. In my opinion. Don't ever give up or quit when it seems undoable or too hard. Those who don't give up will gain the skills and satisfaction for sure.
great video!!
3G/3F Vertical DOWN
Im not a welder but I am an engineering student. Can any of you welding experts tell me...
What applications/processes call for this?
Is it only about access/reachability?
Vertical down is used in low pressure piping applications, thin sheet metal, etc. think anywhere the material needs to seal more than hold pressure. On thin like 1/8” to 22g materials penetration is not the problem, blowing through is, with a little practice dialing in settings one can achieve proper strength and a weld appropriate for the application. It can also be used in certain applications to remove undercut from the toes in a vertical up applied weld joint
@@adamstreich3007 Good one. thanks man
Need to get me one of them there posters!
Well done, great teaching, thank you.
Great information. Thank you for the content.
I think you meant
"2G Where the pipe is....... (vertical) not "horizontal" in your summary before the 5G position
Good show!
Where does 1f 2f or 3f come from, what does it stand for? Same with G...
F=fillet welds/ G-groove welds the 1,2,3 etc? That’s a great question. I’ll see if I can’t find a solid answer to that
The letter refers to the type of weld and the number is more or less so you know how to perform that specific weld like the fella above me touched on.
Thanks so much!
Is welding those big pipes typically harder or the same as smaller pipe ? I know pipe liners weld those a lot it seems like a 5 g position
Same
So is it the "Zero G position" for groove welding in space?
They also have 6g r restricting ring test.
Finally, something we can sink our teeth into...
Great instructor, some of it was sucking eggs, but great for the new comer!
Sucking eggs? I'm 42 and a welder and never heard anyone say that in my life
@@dieseldabz7104 have you not, means going over stuff you all ready know.
So beautiful Your wreck Thanks FOR YOU
Who’s up for welding being in the summer Olympics
Funny I've been welding going on 29 year's now and never used half those terms or words..
Hi
Hi. Hope you enjoyed and learned some new useful information
I'll be damned. Now I get it. Two different welding schools and hours of UA-cam videos, not one single demonstration were plates used.
NOW LET'S DO SOME UNDER WATER WELDING LOL IT'S ALL THE SAME !!!!
Lol
Umm you know that's actually a real thing right?
@@dieseldabz7104 MEN THAT WELD PIPE CAN UNDERWATER WELDING !!!!
Shipyard
Crawling thru filth
I'll give an F
Come on is this really necessary this channel is horrible now
As a resource for both seasoned professionals and newcomers to the industry there is a large variety of topics to cover. Often even folks with a few years under their belts are not aware of the ‘why’ testing is done in certain positions, or that they may not be qualified to weld in a position based on the angularity of the joint. What would you like to see in another video? Certain topics that would be beneficial?