Fascinating podcast! The period of the Vinca culture coincides with the time of existence of the prehistoric cultures on the Black Sea cost, specifically Solnitsata in Provadia, Tell Yunatsite in Pazardzhik, and the Varna necropol, 5500-4200 BCE. I wonder whether the two cultures were related, connected, trading, etc.
in early 90s teenage me read deciphering of Phaistos Discus. Turns out it was treaty between kings of 7(?) cities written in slightly archaic Lithuanian language! And it made sense, because my grandparents lived in Kretingalė village which sounds very similar to Crete
The Tărtăria tablets are very controversial in Romania and in fact most archaeologists here are highly sceptical about them. The circumstances surrounding their finding are not known, all we know is that Vlassa had them in the museum and published about them. He claimed they were found at Tărtăria, but could never provide much detail. He did not see them on site with his own eyes and it seems he was not present at the time, so the excavation was probably run by students when they were supposedly found. My archaeology professor in university told us that students in the University of Cluj were actually known at the time for occasionally pulling archaeological pranks during digs.
If the Tărtăria tablets are genuine, they look pretty straightforward to me. I'm.not an archaeologist, but they're all about the size of an index card with a hole in the top: labels designed to be tied to something. 2 of them are divided into quadrants, like a way of separating different types of information, and they all have in common one symbol, either vertical or horizontal, of 5 short lines crosed by 1 line down the middle. If they were labels, and found together at the same place, maybe they're from 3 different containers all coming from or going to the same location? Maybe the different shapes (circle, oblong, squarish) are for different products, or different size/types of containers? They just look very business/record-keeping to me. And you don't have to have a sophisticated language everyone can read and write to understand how a set of symbols corresponds to product type, amount, and origin. The square one has an obvious goat/ram, and then something that looks to me like a dead animal, so maybe a parcel of hides? No proof, but the fact they all share that one symbol makes me wonder if it's to do with a shared orgin or destination.
Thank you for this. Serbian scholars of the Serbian Autochtonist History School such as Miloš S. Milojević and Sava Lukin Lazić were based upon these foundings. Our history is very hidden and definitely has nothing to do with what the recognized historiohraphy presents us.
Since the past began to change, they also began to change how genetics works, so in order to prove their historical theory, they even change genetics. From the entire Balkans, people who specialize in genetics know that the 12a haplogroup is the oldest in our region, which is the most logical since most people carry it. Romanians for example who are known to be descendants of Dacian tribes have R1b (Latin haplogroup) and 12a (Serbian indigenous haplogroup). They don't have an E like the Albanians who are supposedly "Illyrians". That haplogroup E1b has nothing to do with our region, the Albanians are a Caucasian tribe, and their genetic group came to them during the Muslim conquests, when the Arabs sent them to North Africa and from there to Sicily. From there they migrated through Italy and across the Adriatic Sea to the Balkans in the 11th century, where they are mentioned for the first time. The Greeks all come from Pontus, they came in 1500 BC and spread to Greece, Crete, Asia Minor and Cyprus, that's why they have the J2 haplogroup because they are originally from Anatolia.
It can be seen in general how much people don't know about the conflict for historiography,start from yourself. It didn't used to be so simple,there wasn't recognized. The largest schools of history were the Vienna-Berlin Historical School and the Serbian Autochthonous Historical School. Russia, other Slavic countries and even France supported us,so many people supported the Serbian lectures because it had the most logic and explained everything from the beginning of humanity, while the Germans only wanted to portray us as a smaller race because they hate the Slavs. In the end, the Vienna-Berlin Historical School won and it became the official historiography. Serbia was even forced to accept that version, which is completely wrong, because the Great Powers threatened us that they would not recognize us and thus we would not even have a country for ourselves, only if we see how good relations the Obrenovićs had with Austria, everything can be seen. Walter Wüst said that Srbinda from the Rigveda is the founder of the Aryan race and ruler of the Indo-Europeans in it's expeditions to India since he was working to find information about the mystical Srbinda. Think for a bit...how come Hitler decided of first bombing the library of Belgrade when the bombing begun at the start of the conquest of the city? 🤔
The Slavs originate from us but we are not Slavs, that's what I want you to understand. We Serbs are Paleo-Balkanic people. Germanics tried their best to cover this up because they hated our people and wanted to depict themselves as more advanced and richer historically. They hated Greeks too,but Greece accepted a Germanic Bavarian king so they didn't do the same to you. If Othonas (Otto) didn't come to rule,they would've wrote down how ancient Greeks are Albanians,just like they wrote Ancient Serbs are Albanians. Austrians hated both Serbs and Greeks,but tolerated the Greeks because they accepted one of their own to rule upon them.
The man in the alps otzi was that old makes logical sense humans being what we are and all, Otzi was dated to 3300 BC ish and his tech suggest further back
only in Serbian but you can search for a channel called Srbija global, they have some clips translated into English. Take it with a grain of salt though watch?v=XKbpjWa19dU watch?v=nBihTLG0aPo
In serbian there are some: Boris Klebec - vinčanski kod, French writer Rober Liris - U traganju za evropskim identitetom (search for europes identity).
It should be noted. "SLAV" Comes from "Pravo Slava". Pravo slava is what the Catholic upon separation during the schism.. called "Orthodox Christianity". Faith predates culture. Slav comes from "Pravo Slava Vera". [Faith of the true glory] Slavs travelled from the Balkans outward..they teavelled towards Russia. They didnt come from Russia as Holy Roman Vatican, Catholic German Hapsburgs concerned with stealing lands from Serbs, Yugoslavs, Slavs, Pravo Slavs and everything non Holy Roman, Frankish, Hapsburg, German or Vatican. As they did in Africa, Southeast Asia, or even towards the Indigenous in the Americas.
The reconstructed autonym *Slověninъ is usually considered a derivation from slovo ("word"), originally denoting "people who speak (the same language)", meaning "people who understand one another", in contrast to the Slavic word denoting "German people", namely *němьcь, meaning "silent, mute people" (from Slavic *němъ "mute, mumbling"). The word slovo ("word") and the related slava ("glory, fame") and sluh ("hearing") originate from the Proto-Indo-European root *ḱlew- ("be spoken of, glory"), cognate with Ancient Greek κλέος (kléos "fame"), as in the name Pericles, Latin clueō ("be called"), and English loud.
Thanks for pointing out ,that the Slav "Horse Steppeople" came in in the 3-4 Century. What claim do they have to the Ancient Culture. They are Settelers on Illyrian and Thrakian Lands. Respekt for escavating and preserving the Sights, but this Nacionalistic BS ,is causing still much Problems downthere
Lol Those are facts 🙄 First urban setllements, first agriculture, metalurgy, everything first in Vinca-Belgrade area before 7500 years And there were 1000 ancient documents about Serbs as oldest people But Germans Drang nach Osten masked Serbian history. They lied about European history because they want Serbian and Russian land And the crazy part that is Vinca only second. First was also in Serbia before 11.000 years ago Lepenski Vir civilization. That is proved with radio-carbon dated methodology
@@GarmyanBayo Bulgarian is actually a derivative of "Rascian" (Thrascian or Drascian)often mislabled "Thracian" or "Dacian" instead of "Racian". Racian is Serbian my dude. Bulgarians lost their original language when they tried to conquer, and failed.... The Serb. "Serb" is a slang for "Serp", meaning a "sickle" like a "Rhomphaia, Sika, Falx or Scyth". A curved blade Bugari never used. You are the new Semi Sedentary arrivals who were adopted and learned "Srpskoj Hrvatskoj".
@@kalemegdan6566 This is such a nonsense. There was no Serbian state until Stephan Dushan who is half Bulgarian. Even the Bulgarian uprising of Peter Delyan started from Belgrad and went down to Thessaly. Serbs had no state and no influence back then. They were just tribes.
Greetings from Belgrade. I am a regular follower.
Amazing. I can't believe this is the first time I've heard about this. Good stuff.
My very nationalist Serbian grandmother, who immigrated to the US over 100 years ago, would approve of this podcast.
My great grandfather came over around the end of WWI as well! I never knew that side of the family
tell me more about their names or last names, and I can tell you more about them. Greetings from Serbia 👋🇷🇸 ꒌ
@@ognjenmrdja that would be incredible! The family name is Pasch
The last bit with academic fashion is hilarious and spot on.
The story of Serbia in WW1 is lotr level epic. I'm surprised you haven't picked that to talk about.
Fascinating podcast! The period of the Vinca culture coincides with the time of existence of the prehistoric cultures on the Black Sea cost, specifically Solnitsata in Provadia, Tell Yunatsite in Pazardzhik, and the Varna necropol, 5500-4200 BCE. I wonder whether the two cultures were related, connected, trading, etc.
Dominic's favourite line.. 'That's disappointing' 😂😂
Or brilliant!
check Lepemski vir , also check BBC program Stories from the stone age , ( Lepenski vir is in Serbia not Slovakia as the programme states)
in early 90s teenage me read deciphering of Phaistos Discus. Turns out it was treaty between kings of 7(?) cities written in slightly archaic Lithuanian language! And it made sense, because my grandparents lived in Kretingalė village which sounds very similar to Crete
The Tărtăria tablets are very controversial in Romania and in fact most archaeologists here are highly sceptical about them. The circumstances surrounding their finding are not known, all we know is that Vlassa had them in the museum and published about them. He claimed they were found at Tărtăria, but could never provide much detail. He did not see them on site with his own eyes and it seems he was not present at the time, so the excavation was probably run by students when they were supposedly found. My archaeology professor in university told us that students in the University of Cluj were actually known at the time for occasionally pulling archaeological pranks during digs.
If the Tărtăria tablets are genuine, they look pretty straightforward to me. I'm.not an archaeologist, but they're all about the size of an index card with a hole in the top: labels designed to be tied to something. 2 of them are divided into quadrants, like a way of separating different types of information, and they all have in common one symbol, either vertical or horizontal, of 5 short lines crosed by 1 line down the middle. If they were labels, and found together at the same place, maybe they're from 3 different containers all coming from or going to the same location? Maybe the different shapes (circle, oblong, squarish) are for different products, or different size/types of containers? They just look very business/record-keeping to me. And you don't have to have a sophisticated language everyone can read and write to understand how a set of symbols corresponds to product type, amount, and origin. The square one has an obvious goat/ram, and then something that looks to me like a dead animal, so maybe a parcel of hides? No proof, but the fact they all share that one symbol makes me wonder if it's to do with a shared orgin or destination.
Why this is not viral?????
Cuz its all lies that's why
@@champlife6353 Material evidence doesn't lie, and there is plenty of it.
@@champlife6353cope
@@champlife6353 you are angry i get it...
serb has wisdom of the falcon.
Thank you for this. Serbian scholars of the Serbian Autochtonist History School such as Miloš S. Milojević and Sava Lukin Lazić were based upon these foundings. Our history is very hidden and definitely has nothing to do with what the recognized historiohraphy presents us.
Since the past began to change, they also began to change how genetics works, so in order to prove their historical theory, they even change genetics. From the entire Balkans, people who specialize in genetics know that the 12a haplogroup is the oldest in our region, which is the most logical since most people carry it. Romanians for example who are known to be descendants of Dacian tribes have R1b (Latin haplogroup) and 12a (Serbian indigenous haplogroup). They don't have an E like the Albanians who are supposedly "Illyrians". That haplogroup E1b has nothing to do with our region, the Albanians are a Caucasian tribe, and their genetic group came to them during the Muslim conquests, when the Arabs sent them to North Africa and from there to Sicily. From there they migrated through Italy and across the Adriatic Sea to the Balkans in the 11th century, where they are mentioned for the first time. The Greeks all come from Pontus, they came in 1500 BC and spread to Greece, Crete, Asia Minor and Cyprus, that's why they have the J2 haplogroup because they are originally from Anatolia.
It can be seen in general how much people don't know about the conflict for historiography,start from yourself. It didn't used to be so simple,there wasn't recognized. The largest schools of history were the Vienna-Berlin Historical School and the Serbian Autochthonous Historical School. Russia, other Slavic countries and even France supported us,so many people supported the Serbian lectures because it had the most logic and explained everything from the beginning of humanity, while the Germans only wanted to portray us as a smaller race because they hate the Slavs. In the end, the Vienna-Berlin Historical School won and it became the official historiography. Serbia was even forced to accept that version, which is completely wrong, because the Great Powers threatened us that they would not recognize us and thus we would not even have a country for ourselves, only if we see how good relations the Obrenovićs had with Austria, everything can be seen. Walter Wüst said that Srbinda from the Rigveda is the founder of the Aryan race and ruler of the Indo-Europeans in it's expeditions to India since he was working to find information about the mystical Srbinda. Think for a bit...how come Hitler decided of first bombing the library of Belgrade when the bombing begun at the start of the conquest of the city? 🤔
The Slavs originate from us but we are not Slavs, that's what I want you to understand. We Serbs are Paleo-Balkanic people. Germanics tried their best to cover this up because they hated our people and wanted to depict themselves as more advanced and richer historically. They hated Greeks too,but Greece accepted a Germanic Bavarian king so they didn't do the same to you. If Othonas (Otto) didn't come to rule,they would've wrote down how ancient Greeks are Albanians,just like they wrote Ancient Serbs are Albanians. Austrians hated both Serbs and Greeks,but tolerated the Greeks because they accepted one of their own to rule upon them.
We wuz vinca n shiet
The last lady is awesome
The man in the alps otzi was that old makes logical sense humans being what we are and all, Otzi was dated to 3300 BC ish and his tech suggest further back
Earliest written sentence:
'Do bears shit in the woods?'
Any current books on this subject?
only in Serbian but you can search for a channel called Srbija global, they have some clips translated into English. Take it with a grain of salt though watch?v=XKbpjWa19dU watch?v=nBihTLG0aPo
no because the vatican doesnt like us very much
In serbian there are some: Boris Klebec - vinčanski kod,
French writer Rober Liris - U traganju za evropskim identitetom (search for europes identity).
@@ToyoSoarer there is also svetislav bilbija decoding etruscan via slavic key
its just a compilation of lies
It should be noted.
"SLAV" Comes from "Pravo Slava".
Pravo slava is what the Catholic upon separation during the schism.. called "Orthodox Christianity".
Faith predates culture.
Slav comes from "Pravo Slava Vera". [Faith of the true glory]
Slavs travelled from the Balkans outward..they teavelled towards Russia. They didnt come from Russia as Holy Roman Vatican, Catholic German Hapsburgs concerned with stealing lands from Serbs, Yugoslavs, Slavs, Pravo Slavs and everything non Holy Roman, Frankish, Hapsburg, German or Vatican.
As they did in Africa, Southeast Asia, or even towards the Indigenous in the Americas.
The reconstructed autonym *Slověninъ is usually considered a derivation from slovo ("word"), originally denoting "people who speak (the same language)", meaning "people who understand one another", in contrast to the Slavic word denoting "German people", namely *němьcь, meaning "silent, mute people" (from Slavic *němъ "mute, mumbling"). The word slovo ("word") and the related slava ("glory, fame") and sluh ("hearing") originate from the Proto-Indo-European root *ḱlew- ("be spoken of, glory"), cognate with Ancient Greek κλέος (kléos "fame"), as in the name Pericles, Latin clueō ("be called"), and English loud.
Both Albanians and Serbians are heirs to this history, as the people living in these Vinča areas have the same genetics as Vinčas
JEY WHATS UP
'genuinely mysterious' : a touch of the oxymoronic there.
Oldest modern civilization in the world! Vinca, Starcevo and Lepenski Vir ꒌ Predecessors of todays Serbia
Thanks for pointing out ,that the Slav "Horse Steppeople" came in in the 3-4 Century.
What claim do they have to the Ancient Culture.
They are Settelers on Illyrian and Thrakian Lands.
Respekt for escavating and preserving the Sights, but this Nacionalistic BS ,is causing still much Problems downthere
No one claims that. We just claim that we have culture now unlike Iliryan descendents.
@@predragdzambasevic3101 shure about that?
.Srebtenica!
"Where In The World Is Doctor Valverde"
"Not an absolutely conclusive but" is not a good name for a band.
Saying Serbia is the birthplace of civilisation is like saying America the birthplace of mankind
ur goat is calling for sex
The Mormons do say that. Looking backwords for legitimation of some sort of perceived specialness is a very widespread phenomenon.
America is the birthplace of evil! This is world truth!
Lol
Those are facts 🙄
First urban setllements, first agriculture, metalurgy, everything first in Vinca-Belgrade area before 7500 years
And there were 1000 ancient documents about Serbs as oldest people
But Germans Drang nach Osten masked Serbian history. They lied about European history because they want Serbian and Russian land
And the crazy part that is Vinca only second. First was also in Serbia before 11.000 years ago Lepenski Vir civilization.
That is proved with radio-carbon dated methodology
There's so much more... I'm disappointed
Old Slavic is actually "Church " Slavic.
Church Slavic is actually IX century Bulgarian language.
@@GarmyanBayo
Bulgarian is actually a derivative of "Rascian" (Thrascian or Drascian)often mislabled "Thracian" or "Dacian" instead of "Racian". Racian is Serbian my dude. Bulgarians lost their original language when they tried to conquer, and failed.... The Serb. "Serb" is a slang for "Serp", meaning a "sickle" like a "Rhomphaia, Sika, Falx or Scyth". A curved blade Bugari never used. You are the new Semi Sedentary arrivals who were adopted and learned "Srpskoj Hrvatskoj".
@@kalemegdan6566 This is such a nonsense. There was no Serbian state until Stephan Dushan who is half Bulgarian. Even the Bulgarian uprising of Peter Delyan started from Belgrad and went down to Thessaly. Serbs had no state and no influence back then. They were just tribes.
Lies 😅
This is so much Bull Shit its incredible
Jealous bastard