The chromaticism, the invention, the variation in time signatures, key signatures, the improvisation - returning to an overall structure - Bach really was one of the Grandmasters. He may even have defined music since his age, although Beethoven took it even further.
In the Baroque, because of the different tuning systems in use, minor thirds sounded unresolved. So finishing with an a minor chord could leave audiences restless & unsatisfied. Resolving a minor 3d with a slide to a major 3d - a 'tierce de picardie' - was a common practice, amounting to a mannerism of the time. It might not be employed if another piece followed straight on. It would be a matter of choice for the performer. Nowadays, with equal temperament it's the major third that sounds odd.
@SnarkAttack12, It's hopeless trying to establish a "final" intention by Bach. He always played things differently. This is the true art of playing baroque music; "Stylus Phantasticus". Playing with both refined intelligence and complete freedom.
@PointyTailofSatan I have one simple question: Would you choose a beautifully ornate baroque pipe organ, perfectly tuned, with proper pitch, and thousands of pipes hand crafted. Or would you choose an Allen, or Rodger's electric organ? In my original comment, I may have come off a little hasty, for that I apologize. I do like "some" electric organs, but I've also played a few real pipe organs in my lifetime. The difference in sound, quality, and feel is definite, and undeniable.
You know, I kind of never liked organ music for a long time because it always ended up feeling sort of overblown to the point of being stilted and pompous. Like it just exuded a sense of self-importance. However, I'm finding Ton Koopman at the organ really really does something for me-- feels a lot more active, and a lot less overblown.
He's the most 'on the fly' of organists - spontaneous, and with quicker, more exciting tempos. But he's also a master of his craft, a virtuoso, with interesting choices of registration here and there. and an individual approach to 'ornamentation' ie trills etc; he tries to play historic organs which match those to when the piece was composed; and I would definitely say he's my favourite organist too. Certainly his recordings inspired me when I was a little boy to want to play the organ, even if I ended up playing the piano and discovering Chopin, Debussy, Liszt and everything else.
Yes, absolutely. I've played some old baroque style organs before and the feeling is completely different. You can even smell it while playing so close to the organ on a tracker action organ, and it's better because you have very precise control over the moment air enters into a pipe. An electric plastic organ console only undermines the quality of the music as far as I'm concerned.
@TheLurker101 I'm not sure I agree with your statement entirely. People are not musically "tasteless" or stupid. We each have our own styles, tastes, and musical desires. Though Lady Gaga may not be my personal favorite; I find that Bach is one of my favorites, along with you, and many others out there who partake of such enchantingly divine music. Remember that Lady Gaga is just noise, and compared to Bach in the scope of all things, Bach was passion, soul, love, divinity, and fire.
really baroque organ played grate role not in music, but in technics. so many sufisticated valves were designed and were the base for air brake systems on trucks) BTW, big difference is what compressor is used. Now industrial rotor slyle compressor are used, with big air tanks and air pressure valves... all this stuff is very silent, industrial air dryers are used (really better for vlaves life), so modern baroque style organ is the different thing. More sufisticated, more powerful
@ForcesOfRandom, Unfortunately your generation is also mine. No doubt you are correct, my comment isn't particularly pleasant because the reality of it isn't either. I have nothing personal against pop-culture, but I have no care for others who understand nothing of that which came before. Bach himself was like an alien in his day. Closed minded baroque congregations chastised him for his radical music, but the results of his ingenuity (and courage) changed the history of western music forever.
@TheLurker101, I'm sure to the current generation, Lady Gaga is the only "good taste". But I suppose its better to have 190 cultivated listeners than perhaps 30 million that would never understand.
@wawa314159, Baroque rhetoric was not 'clean as a whistle' as organists of today like to think. They used wild registrations and adhered very much to stylish playing. I recommend Chapius or Karl Richter to you if you'd like to hear a clearer interpretation.
@poopingeneral @poopingeneral Believe me. I was a console assistant (no pistons!) for one of the finest Baroque voiced tracker Casavant organs in Canada, and a favorite organ of Peter Hurford. That would be superb for this. But those kinds of small specialized organs are not that common now. A quality Rodgers or Allen organ is not a terrible substitute
This is one of Bach's fugues that really sounds better on an electronic from of baroque organ. The relatively long attacks of most pipe ranks makes the precise timing this fugue requires almost impossible.
Lekker tempo... orgel ook aangenaam scherp geïntoneerd zodat elke noot goed te volgen is. Prelude is slechts een opwarmertje, het echte vuur is in de fuga te vinden.
Sound of electronic instruments is too sterile. Sometimes sound with some minor noise (like old organ valves, control, pedals, some clicks and player mistakes) makes sound be alive, not like a machine
@PointyTailofSatan, Only if you're a totally mediocre organist who lacks the technical ability to achieve this on a true baroque organ. Also one must remember these organs that Koopman play are very ancient, so the action is not as they were when they were first built, but even so, there's nothing wrong with this performance.
@PointyTailofSatan Your kidding right? Electronic organs are trash, they don't even sound right. You cannot recreate through speakers the feel, charm, and atmosphere a Pipe Organ can create in a space. There's a reason why the Pipe Organ has remained the King of Instruments for over 1000+ years. There's a reason why they are built in the greatest halls, and largest Cathedrals. They cannot be matched in quality, and tone. It's impossible. Speakers are trash, go listen to a Cathedral organ.
One of the best interpretation ever; good tempi, cristal clear tones, wonderfull registerd pedal, just
wonderfull! Thank you so mutch.
the best organ player ever!
Heard this in from my university professor. 0:00 to 1:28 Completely redefined my comprehension of music.
The chromaticism, the invention, the variation in time signatures, key signatures, the improvisation - returning to an overall structure - Bach really was one of the Grandmasters. He may even have defined music since his age, although Beethoven took it even further.
Totally amazing, transcendental, linked to the forces of Nature
Bardzo ładne wykonanie, czysty dźwięk. Muzyka J.S. Bacha jest piękna.
Mistrzowsko.
I love Koopman's jerky, frenetic style
The piece where Cesar Franck his third choral has based on, beautiful pieces!
Really?
ASSOLUTAMENTE MAGNIFICA !!!!
I love this performance
Bravo bravo bravo bravo bravo
Best version
Bellissimo, forse la migliore versione di questo capolavoro
Absolutely the best ever performance of this.
Zoe Elizabeth Nightingale Go and search for the Richter recording of the 543.
Then we talk.
One of the best recordings indeed. But the very best is the one made by Nicholas Danby (ua-cam.com/video/HQA_fvBmadw/v-deo.html).
Bach? A mankind's Genius!
not only he
A Master, god of music
the greatest of all time
lo traducí con youtube y dice"¿Llevar una vida de soltero? ¡El genio de la humanidad!"
@@MrGar11for sure
Love the tempo and energy.
6:28 Love Ton's trill. I never did that. Will do next time.
Pro tip: watch movies at flixzone. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies these days.
@Aryan Bryson Yup, have been watching on flixzone for months myself :)
@Aryan Bryson yup, been using Flixzone for years myself :)
In the Baroque, because of the different tuning systems in use, minor thirds sounded unresolved. So finishing with an a minor chord could leave audiences restless & unsatisfied. Resolving a minor 3d with a slide to a major 3d - a 'tierce de picardie' - was a common practice, amounting to a mannerism of the time. It might not be employed if another piece followed straight on. It would be a matter of choice for the performer. Nowadays, with equal temperament it's the major third that sounds odd.
Der Meister der Orgel !!!
@SnarkAttack12, It's hopeless trying to establish a "final" intention by Bach. He always played things differently. This is the true art of playing baroque music; "Stylus Phantasticus". Playing with both refined intelligence and complete freedom.
2:59 Fugue (aka gods singing in the shower)
6:31
0:26
8:03
@PointyTailofSatan I have one simple question: Would you choose a beautifully ornate baroque pipe organ, perfectly tuned, with proper pitch, and thousands of pipes hand crafted. Or would you choose an Allen, or Rodger's electric organ?
In my original comment, I may have come off a little hasty, for that I apologize. I do like "some" electric organs, but I've also played a few real pipe organs in my lifetime. The difference in sound, quality, and feel is definite, and undeniable.
You know, I kind of never liked organ music for a long time because it always ended up feeling sort of overblown to the point of being stilted and pompous. Like it just exuded a sense of self-importance.
However, I'm finding Ton Koopman at the organ really really does something for me-- feels a lot more active, and a lot less overblown.
He's the most 'on the fly' of organists - spontaneous, and with quicker, more exciting tempos. But he's also a master of his craft, a virtuoso, with interesting choices of registration here and there. and an individual approach to 'ornamentation' ie trills etc; he tries to play historic organs which match those to when the piece was composed; and I would definitely say he's my favourite organist too. Certainly his recordings inspired me when I was a little boy to want to play the organ, even if I ended up playing the piano and discovering Chopin, Debussy, Liszt and everything else.
6:29-6:41 the most important word in this masterpiece
Yes, absolutely. I've played some old baroque style organs before and the feeling is completely different. You can even smell it while playing so close to the organ on a tracker action organ, and it's better because you have very precise control over the moment air enters into a pipe. An electric plastic organ console only undermines the quality of the music as far as I'm concerned.
el magnificooooo
@TheLurker101 I'm not sure I agree with your statement entirely. People are not musically "tasteless" or stupid. We each have our own styles, tastes, and musical desires. Though Lady Gaga may not be my personal favorite; I find that Bach is one of my favorites, along with you, and many others out there who partake of such enchantingly divine music.
Remember that Lady Gaga is just noise, and compared to Bach in the scope of all things, Bach was passion, soul, love, divinity, and fire.
C'est bon ça !
really baroque organ played grate role not in music, but in technics. so many sufisticated valves were designed and were the base for air brake systems on trucks)
BTW, big difference is what compressor is used. Now industrial rotor slyle compressor are used, with big air tanks and air pressure valves... all this stuff is very silent, industrial air dryers are used (really better for vlaves life), so modern baroque style organ is the different thing. More sufisticated, more powerful
@asmodevsluxuria, I like both Koopman and Richter.
@PointyTailofSatan You must hear E, Power Biggs performance. It's sublime
@ForcesOfRandom, Unfortunately your generation is also mine. No doubt you are correct, my comment isn't particularly pleasant because the reality of it isn't either. I have nothing personal against pop-culture, but I have no care for others who understand nothing of that which came before. Bach himself was like an alien in his day. Closed minded baroque congregations chastised him for his radical music, but the results of his ingenuity (and courage) changed the history of western music forever.
EXCELLENT VIDEO...🌞🌞🌞
which organ is this that the 16' does not interfere with the manualiter counterpoint?
1727 Christian Müller organ at Jacobijnerkerk, Leeuwarden, The Netherlands
@TheLurker101, I'm sure to the current generation, Lady Gaga is the only "good taste". But I suppose its better to have 190 cultivated listeners than perhaps 30 million that would never understand.
It is even better to have one single educated listener than as many millions as you like who are unable to understand anything.
2:59 The fugue starts here.
MR. KOOPMAN, THE BEST BAROQUE ORGAIST!
Helmut Walcha
Fugue is being played with such a bumpy tempo.
@wawa314159, Baroque rhetoric was not 'clean as a whistle' as organists of today like to think. They used wild registrations and adhered very much to stylish playing. I recommend Chapius or Karl Richter to you if you'd like to hear a clearer interpretation.
8:28...interesting!
@poopingeneral @poopingeneral Believe me. I was a console assistant (no pistons!) for one of the finest Baroque voiced tracker Casavant organs in Canada, and a favorite organ of Peter Hurford. That would be superb for this. But those kinds of small specialized organs are not that common now. A quality Rodgers or Allen organ is not a terrible substitute
The score indicates a minor for the final chord.
From 0:26 The explosion of the brain.
This is one of Bach's fugues that really sounds better on an electronic from of baroque organ. The relatively long attacks of most pipe ranks makes the precise timing this fugue requires almost impossible.
Does someone know what organ is?
Lekker tempo... orgel ook aangenaam scherp geïntoneerd zodat elke noot goed te volgen is. Prelude is slechts een opwarmertje, het echte vuur is in de fuga te vinden.
2:59 2:59 2:59
2:59 2:59 2:59
2:59 2:59 2:59
Fucking musical orgasma
Sound of electronic instruments is too sterile. Sometimes sound with some minor noise (like old organ valves, control, pedals, some clicks and player mistakes) makes sound be alive, not like a machine
From 8:03
B flat minor?
A4 = 466 Hz.
Взрыв мозга
Inascoltabile.
@PointyTailofSatan, Only if you're a totally mediocre organist who lacks the technical ability to achieve this on a true baroque organ. Also one must remember these organs that Koopman play are very ancient, so the action is not as they were when they were first built, but even so, there's nothing wrong with this performance.
I'm asking myself... why so slow?
not really so slow
Albert Clemente Sarcasm intended?
your guess?
it depends on if you are interested on listen all the piece is offering, or caring about speed.
Menacing sound.
@advisorC101 well that wasn't really a nice thing to say about my generation...
zu schnell, stereotyp artikuliert wie ein roboter, ohne emotion ... atemlos - und alles fortissimo - brrr! was hat das mit bach zu tun?
Neurotic performance, as always by Koopman.
Perché tutto così veloce? La musica deve respirare, qui lascia senza fiato. Peccato!
Passione.
@PointyTailofSatan Your kidding right? Electronic organs are trash, they don't even sound right. You cannot recreate through speakers the feel, charm, and atmosphere a Pipe Organ can create in a space. There's a reason why the Pipe Organ has remained the King of Instruments for over 1000+ years. There's a reason why they are built in the greatest halls, and largest Cathedrals. They cannot be matched in quality, and tone. It's impossible. Speakers are trash, go listen to a Cathedral organ.
I hate this performance... no depth whatsoever...
Its a bit shredded indeed, the pedal sound is incredible though
too fast - plays havoc - a work of genius reduced to shreds by an uncontrolled maverick
Listen to Katja Sager
ua-cam.com/video/4Tjl15rMnas/v-deo.html
@@samuelfabian9737 Yes thankyou - I had already given that a 'thumbs up'. I like Peter Hurford best for this piece