Excellent overview of Loctite Red & Blue! And thank you so much for doing the superglue comparison. We ended up using superglue based on your results as we don’t need resistance to high temperatures. 👌
A DIY version of an industrial vibration test 😁 Nice 👍🏼. I have the same experience from professional tests. Red Loctite is good for moderate vibration. If you had continued the red would likely have lost the clamp load as well even if the nut had stayed on the bolt. If you are not already familiar with it, google Junker test. It’s considered the gold standard for fasteners. Thanks for another good video.
Thanks! Yes, I’ve seen the Junker test but couldn’t figure a diy way to duplicate it. I ran across the testing method used in the aviation industry and based my rig on it. 👍😎
That is actually smart approach spring reduces upper forces and vibration and loctite supports vibrations over screw so that's neat - I'm doing the same way if possible on screw connections.
Based on what I can conclude from your findings, in high vibration applications, I am going to use red locktight 271 on bolt threads, in combination with spring washers AND nyloc nuts. Possibly a second nyloc nut if in doubt. Thanks
Test old school mechanical methods; staking the outward nt to bolt margin and then using safety wire through a drilled hole through thenut and bolt. I think I will start spot welding lol
I would recommend trying higher purity isopropyl alcohol. The stuff meant for antiseptic purposes may contain oils meant to avoid drying the skin so much. Try something meant for electronics repairs because those are designed to evaporate to fully clean surface.
Yep. It is a "glue". Every single glue on the planet needs clean surfaces. Thats why i hate threadlockers, they need always clean surfaces. If i can, i prefer to use a split washer.
@@vaguincolombia In a high heat area, use red Loctite. This guy has a video on vibration tests. For star washers, split washers, and double nut. I don't remember if he tested friction nuts!? They are meant for high heat, and high vibration. Check it out!😎
The hardware looks like it may be plated in some way. Please note that Loctite needs active metal ions to fully cure. If you have corrosion resistant hardware, you have to use Loctite primer to get full cure. Super Glue or CA adhesive does not need active metal ions.
Dear Loctite. Would you please just put the RED Loctite in RED containers and BLUE Loctite in BLUE containers. I have a small collection in my various workshops of red in blue containers and blue in red containers, red in red, blue in blue, ad nauseam. This really isn't that difficult for a big company like you is it ?
Loctite will tell you that on plated fasteners, use of one of Primer N or Primer T will give best results, as they drive the compund to full cure. The factory derived breakaway and prevailing torque numbers are determined off black iron finished steel nuts and bolts. Using heat on the assebled parts will achieve better results too, but that is not practical.
For torque purposes loctite is considered a lubricant. A wet torque spec should be used should be used on all the hardware including the control. That said, i think the difference between wet and dry is like 20% so only a 2.2lb value in this case. I don't think it would make or break your experiment.
That's what I thought before conducting this experiment... ua-cam.com/video/SLBx09En_P0/v-deo.html Watch until the end to find out what the experts at Nord-Lock say as well. 😎
Thanks! I tested the top lock and other locking devices in this video... ua-cam.com/video/4H-HOHZ3chA/v-deo.html I hope to test nordlocks in the future. 😎
Im glad that Ive found your content. Its very helpful for many people. But I think this kind of scenario is excessive and dont really happen in the real world. Its not really the kind a vibration thats produced in engines and mechanism unless its the worst case where a part just broke.
Interesting… if that’s true, why do manufacturers say their superglue can be used on metal if it will eventually corrode the metal and fail? I might do an experiment. How long before the corrosion will be visible… 1 year? 😎
@@HacksbyDad Potential to fail. If fact, the best way to use Loctite is to apply it to the threads, then let it set up for a few minutes, then attach nut, torque as needed. Because the act of screwing on the nut, heats up the threads enough to make the Loctite fluid again. Therefore proper penetration.
@@AGRIV8TD1963 I did this experiment to show that Loctite does not cure when exposed to air... ua-cam.com/video/lFHr1reTDW8/v-deo.html Maybe loosely thread on the nut, wait, and then torque?
@@HacksbyDad Loctite doesn't completely dry when exposed to air during the time needed for application, but it does set up. It will dry over time. Thin coat of Loctite all the way around the bolt, wipe off excess if any. Put a thin coat all the way around the threads, then check it in 24 hours, then tell me if it had set up. Then do the same, and check after a week. Did the Loctite dry?
So, if you are going to build a sex machine..... Use red or superglue On a serious note, great test experiment and it's really good to get some superglue figures!
You missed one thing, tension works out of screw so if you put that much force on whole screw you would need to weld it actually to not allow it to break on any poilimeric substance glue... If you put it to cure properlly with acutally less loctite ( it shouldnt go over screw cap to get full cure inside because polimers are not sealeants agains air and need longer activation time in this case ) so this is not relevant test for vibration resistance, what u tested here is resistance against upper forces for screw hold kappa. 2/10
Check out all of my Nuts and Bolts videos in this playlist... ua-cam.com/play/PL_WcGw5s6Cq6YK_s-NNne1838j25ijmii.html
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Excellent overview of Loctite Red & Blue!
And thank you so much for doing the superglue comparison. We ended up using superglue based on your results as we don’t need resistance to high temperatures. 👌
Thanks Dad.
You’re welcome!
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@@HacksbyDad you're supposed to say "son"
excellent video, thanks for being so exacting with your method, and so impartial. I look forward to more
More?! 😳
@@HacksbyDad more similar videos, I hope :-)
@@bastian1847 Here's my Nuts and Bolts playlist... ua-cam.com/play/PL_WcGw5s6Cq6YK_s-NNne1838j25ijmii.html
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Well done and thank you for sharing your experiments with us. Thumbs up also for your patience of conducting those tests.
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Your test are really good I like how you did everything very controlled and I learned a lot
A DIY version of an industrial vibration test 😁 Nice 👍🏼. I have the same experience from professional tests. Red Loctite is good for moderate vibration. If you had continued the red would likely have lost the clamp load as well even if the nut had stayed on the bolt. If you are not already familiar with it, google Junker test. It’s considered the gold standard for fasteners. Thanks for another good video.
Thanks!
Yes, I’ve seen the Junker test but couldn’t figure a diy way to duplicate it. I ran across the testing method used in the aviation industry and based my rig on it. 👍😎
Cool, red is the tougher one. I have both w/ screw spring washer combo sometimes.
God bless.
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That is actually smart approach spring reduces upper forces and vibration and loctite supports vibrations over screw so that's neat - I'm doing the same way if possible on screw connections.
As a industrial mechanic this is most interesting. Thank you sir.
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching the video and commenting!
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Thank you for this video.
Excellent, excellent test. Great information.
Thank you!
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I have always wondered about this and now know, thanks. Always thought red was one and done almost like welding it on but not so😊
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Based on what I can conclude from your findings, in high vibration applications, I am going to use red locktight 271 on bolt threads, in combination with spring washers AND nyloc nuts. Possibly a second nyloc nut if in doubt. Thanks
Nice. I have considered using blue oil-resistant loctite on motorcycle suspension fasteners but I think I will continue to stick with red.
Thank you for this video! Likely saved me a ton of time and anguish on my next project.
Glad it helped! What's the project?
@@HacksbyDad Adding vibration dampening to a sim-racing rig. Almost went with loctite blue on the feet.
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Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome!
Test old school mechanical methods; staking the outward nt to bolt margin and then using safety wire through a drilled hole through thenut and bolt. I think I will start spot welding lol
I would recommend trying higher purity isopropyl alcohol. The stuff meant for antiseptic purposes may contain oils meant to avoid drying the skin so much. Try something meant for electronics repairs because those are designed to evaporate to fully clean surface.
Thanks! I have 91% IPA and might give it a try. 😎
Great info . Thanks
So many mechanics don't realize how important it is to have very clean threads for Loctite to work its best.
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Yep. It is a "glue". Every single glue on the planet needs clean surfaces. Thats why i hate threadlockers, they need always clean surfaces. If i can, i prefer to use a split washer.
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Split washers are No Good!
Trust me!
Better off with nylon lock nuts, or threadlocker.😅
@@AGRIV8TD1963 Well Nylon lock nuts dont work with with fixed or soldered nuts. Also for very high temperatures nothing can beat a split washer.
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In a high heat area, use red Loctite.
This guy has a video on vibration tests. For star washers, split washers, and double nut. I don't remember if he tested friction nuts!?
They are meant for high heat, and high vibration.
Check it out!😎
Now let’s test those tiny tack welds as a comparison
OK that was fascinating.
Thanks!
The hardware looks like it may be plated in some way. Please note that Loctite needs active metal ions to fully cure. If you have corrosion resistant hardware, you have to use Loctite primer to get full cure. Super Glue or CA adhesive does not need active metal ions.
Sort of. Zinc is more of a passive metal than an active metal. ua-cam.com/video/MAyIH4i6ryI/v-deo.html
Try Caterpillar green. I believe it's called LockTite sleeve retaining compound.
Dear Loctite. Would you please just put the RED Loctite in RED containers and BLUE Loctite in BLUE containers. I have a small collection in my various workshops of red in blue containers and blue in red containers, red in red, blue in blue, ad nauseam. This really isn't that difficult for a big company like you is it ?
Loctite will tell you that on plated fasteners, use of one of Primer N or Primer T will give best results, as they drive the compund to full cure. The factory derived breakaway and prevailing torque numbers are determined off black iron finished steel nuts and bolts. Using heat on the assebled parts will achieve better results too, but that is not practical.
For torque purposes loctite is considered a lubricant. A wet torque spec should be used should be used on all the hardware including the control. That said, i think the difference between wet and dry is like 20% so only a 2.2lb value in this case. I don't think it would make or break your experiment.
That's what I thought before conducting this experiment... ua-cam.com/video/SLBx09En_P0/v-deo.html
Watch until the end to find out what the experts at Nord-Lock say as well. 😎
Great video! Can you also test a stover lock nut/ metal toplock nut, a two way lock nut/ centerlock nut and a nordlock washer?!
Thanks! I tested the top lock and other locking devices in this video... ua-cam.com/video/4H-HOHZ3chA/v-deo.html
I hope to test nordlocks in the future.
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I never thought superglue is such great.
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Thanks.
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Thank You..
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Did you happen to do a vibration test comparison for red Loctite vs nylon locking nut?
Wow really nice video. What are you recommending to secure bearing on shaft.
Sorry... I can''t make a recommendation. There are retaining compounds for bearings and shafts, but I haven't used them.
@@HacksbyDad okay thanks
is safe use red ones to tightening scooters cvt/clutch bolt n nuts?
If you do another test add lactate green retaining compound I'm just curious
I see the jig is trusted to nylon locking nuts.
Im glad that Ive found your content. Its very helpful for many people. But I think this kind of scenario is excessive and dont really happen in the real world. Its not really the kind a vibration thats produced in engines and mechanism unless its the worst case where a part just broke.
Yeah… take my test with a grain of salt. It’s excessive to a fault. If anything… it’s somewhat entertaining. 👍😎
Can you try vibra-tite vc3
Superglue will damage the threads over time.
It's corrosive.
Interesting… if that’s true, why do manufacturers say their superglue can be used on metal if it will eventually corrode the metal and fail? I might do an experiment. How long before the corrosion will be visible… 1 year? 😎
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It will also break down over time, depending on how much weathering it gets, whereas Loctite will not.
It won't even take a year.
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I'm curious how it works with Loctite on a top lock nut.
Thanks. I might conduct more threadlocker experiments in the future. 😎
So ,the nuts on your jig ,nylocks with red loctite?
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At what vibration frequency was this tested?
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I wonder if the superglue would work even better if sprayed with a superglue accelerator.
eh you from Hawaii? I can hear the Piggin brah!
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Sorry to say, you made an error during application on many of the samples.
You can not get Loctite on the mating surfaces. Only on the threads.
Sorry… I’ll try to avoid that in the future. What impact does it have on the fastened assembly? 😎
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Potential to fail. If fact, the best way to use Loctite is to apply it to the threads, then let it set up for a few minutes, then attach nut, torque as needed. Because the act of screwing on the nut, heats up the threads enough to make the Loctite fluid again. Therefore proper penetration.
@@AGRIV8TD1963 I did this experiment to show that Loctite does not cure when exposed to air... ua-cam.com/video/lFHr1reTDW8/v-deo.html
Maybe loosely thread on the nut, wait, and then torque?
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Loctite doesn't completely dry when exposed to air during the time needed for application, but it does set up. It will dry over time. Thin coat of Loctite all the way around the bolt, wipe off excess if any.
Put a thin coat all the way around the threads, then check it in 24 hours, then tell me if it had set up. Then do the same, and check after a week.
Did the Loctite dry?
@@AGRIV8TD1963 So you apply Loctite, wipe excess, let cure for a few minutes, thread on nut, and finally torque?
It’s good to know if you ride a Harley…
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So, if you are going to build a sex machine..... Use red or superglue
On a serious note, great test experiment and it's really good to get some superglue figures!
Thanks!
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If you're gonna use the blue glue, you might just busta nut!
You missed one thing, tension works out of screw so if you put that much force on whole screw you would need to weld it actually to not allow it to break on any poilimeric substance glue...
If you put it to cure properlly with acutally less loctite ( it shouldnt go over screw cap to get full cure inside because polimers are not sealeants agains air and need longer activation time in this case ) so this is not relevant test for vibration resistance, what u tested here is resistance against upper forces for screw hold kappa. 2/10
Please get used to Nm. Footpounds is obsolete.
LOL!
It’s not obsolete in the U.S.
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@@HacksbyDad okay, then the us is obsolete,too.
@@suki4410 I guess so. 👍😎
Seriously - peel that unsightly raggedy plastic barely-a-protector sheet off your torque adapter