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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2012
- The Modoc War was one of the most dramatic American Indian wars in U.S. history.
The Modoc are a Native American people who originally resided in the area which is now northeastern California and central Southern Oregon. The Modoc War began in November 1872 when the military tried to force a small band of Modoc People, led by Captain Jack, to a reservation.
The Modocs took refuge in an ancient lava flow that became their stronghold. Today it is a part of the Lava Beds National Monument.
The Modocs knew the land and used it to their advantage. Twisting lava tubes and hidden caves created the perfect hideout for fifty-five Modoc warriors and their families.
Native, or Indian, policy was the subject of national debate and many humanitarians sided with the Modocs. Then the Indians attacked a peace commission, resulting in the only U.S. General killed in an Indian conflict. The government cracked down hard, calling for swift punishment.
By the end, the Modocs were fighting off a force of nearly 1,000 men, made up of both military soldiers and civilian volunteers.
Again and again, the small band of Indians overcame incredible odds to protect their way of life. But it could not last. Their world was about to change forever. The Modoc People are currently divided between Oregon and Oklahoma and are enrolled in either of two federally recognized tribes, the Klamath Tribes in Oregon[2] and the Modoc Tribe of Oklahoma, now known as the Modoc Nation.
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After my own off-and-on history in southern Oregon, I have finally learned the whole story of Capt. Jack and the Klamath Basin Modocs. So terrible, all around, but mostly for the Modocs, who lost everything. I'm 76, now, and too old and infirm to walk around the lava beds, so I treasure this OPB presentation. 🦅🕊🦆
An entire Klamath First nation family(Chiloquin+Charles) were driven out of Klamath Falls in the 1970’s by the racist white Sherif office. I lived next to the Charles family in the late 1970’s & through the 1980’s here in Eugene. Most of the 9 sons of Avery Charles family are serving life sentences in Oregon State Prison. Thats the state of things here in racist Oregon today-2023
Sadly, you still haven't learned the full truth of that War. Key facts were omitted due to current Tribal political agendas. Follow the money.
I went to the lava stronghold the year Before I retired, while working in Klamath Falls.
I couldn’t get anyone to ride with me so went alone. I’m glad I did.
Nobody else was there. I hiked in alone with my guitar and sat for a while reflecting on the events that culminated there.
I played and sang for a while, said a prayer and left.
Then I went to where Captain Jack was hanged.
Again alone,I contemplated the thoughts and emotion of his family at that event.
I said another prayer and left.
I’m so glad I took that opportunity. I’ll never be able to go again, and I treasure that memory.
He would Thank You. I know.
You honored him with your prayer , thank you !!!
Swtbbyjms, 👋🏽 I’m glad you went as well. In our journey I have had to find my way mostly alone. It’s better that way (I think) nobody to rush you or speak negative of our ancestors journey. I learned from this video, which also led me to the Medicine Man from our Nation who was given the honor of being a “Prophet” It cleared up so much about our spiritual practices. Wovoka known as Jack Wilson was the one who received the vision. The Ghost Dance of 1890. I will make a trip to my homelands sometime in the future. I have lived in the South Eastern part of 🇺🇸 for over 30 years. It’s time.
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I am listening to this documentary with much interest and sadness as well. I am playing old time on my banjo also will say a prayer to the brave warriors of the Modoc people.
I lived in Redding, California around 30 years ago, and never heard about the Modoc war. The funny thing was, the area Indians thought both my daughter and I were part indian, and was shocked when I told them we were Italian. I would make them laugh when I'd tell them, that we were from the Wapaho Tribe. I loved being around these Indians, so smart and they are part of the nature that surrounded us, were we lived. We use take cattle to the mountains of Burney during the summer months, we'd stay until the first snow fall. A wonderful life during those days. so many years ago. One day, a sheriff came into our camp to tell us that some of our cattle had gotten into the reservation. Said we better go get them before the indians had a barbecue. We went to round them up, but the Indians had found out were our camp was, and they said they were bringing them back to us. They helped with the cattle, when we were finished, we had a delightful dinner with them. Great experience!
Sounds like a wonderful experience. And the Natives were good neighbors who returned your cattle; while the authority, sheriff, was willing to think the worst & bad mouth them. Some things never change.
As it should have been then !!!!
White law enforcement always persecuted Indians, still do.
The sheriff would be a tRump supporter
Hello from Pit river nation nice story
We live at Tember mountain cabins,when I was a kid around 1965 in the summer. Just a few miles from Captain Jack. Hundreds of arrows heads on the walls of the Old store . 57 years ago hard to believe how much has changed. Terry C Johnson wrote a book, The Modoc war . Worth reading if you can find. Never go gentle into the good night
Knew Terry J and was honored to be a part of his tour of the Northern Plains. So sad when he dies. The Seamus Donovan books came to an end.
Johnson's book is titled: "THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE." in case anybody can't find it. Wonderful, colorful nickname for the "Lava Beds" also aka "Captain Jack's Stronghold." I have tried to learn to call him by his Modoc name: "Kintpuash."
And, BTW, it's "JohnsTon, with a T in the middle! Book is "The Devil's Backbone."
I'am Modoc Indian Thank You! for your kind words
In those lava fields are frozen ice waterfalls and caves deep under the lava, one is called Captain Jack's Stronghold and has carvings in the lava with dates from the 1870s! In the middle of July, several decades ago, while on a Geology Field Trip, we went into those ice caves and since cold air stays cold even during hot weather when deep underground, there were still frozen waterfalls in the ice caves! Reportedly Captain Jack's men and women obtained drinking water from the caves during the time they were surrounded by the U.S. Army! There are also long lava tubes which made it possible for them to come and go from the lava fields without the Army knowing their movements!
The great Modoc people...Respect from Ireland. Bail ó Dhia ort! (God be good to you) 🍀 ✊
why? they murdered hundreds of families before the army was called.
@@samuraikyokkan Makes sense that they would. Like most tribal societies the Modoc did not distinguish between combatants and noncombatants. They also adhered to a collective mentality as oppose to an individualistic one. As such when they went to war the enemy collective not mere individuals were held to account. Makes sense. My people (Māori) thought in much the same way. I for one agree with this thinking. If you wrong me it is both you and your family that owe me. If you do right by me I am indebted to both you and your family. This is the mindset of tribal societies. Tribal groups are bound together by strong ties of kinship and friendship that constantly reinforce bonds of loyalty. This is their source of ferocity.
God is good to His people who love Him, not those who murder whole families just because they aren't of your tribe. . Get real.
@@theCosmicQueen In the Bible god orders Joshua to wipe out the Canaanites. They only keep the virgin who are sexually enslaved. Get real. Read your own book.
@theCosmicQueen I suppose you believe manifest destiny came down from God too.
Really well made. Mr Meacham is one of those men they don't teach you about in history class which is RIDICULOUS.
Now this is what Elon Musk, or Google should be doing with their money and need to have a smart city.....Make a smart city for the oroginal Americans, the Indians. Go out to a reservation and creat a self sustaining community for one of these tribes that is struggling to live and thrive on land they were forced to accept and live on. They could go and build a center town square and homes surrounding it, then farmlands on the edges, or outskirts of their town so they have food, solar power, rain retention into large fresh water storage basins made with plant and fish and different sediments that filter water and make it safe to drink and don't need to rely on anyone from the outside for anything. Why let fires destroy some snobby area of Hawaii, when they can send their self driving semi trucks through the desert, straight to a reservation and make a real and lasting, meaningful change for people that really need it, right here !!! Then they,mor Elon, can take all the credit they want for doingnsmthg good, and also, the right thing to do, to make ammends for the poor decision makings of our forefathers and do something right for a change ???
Its about time for the history to be told equally. Thank you!
I lived in Modoc country for 20 years have been through the lave tubes the mountains are beautiful.
I've seen a lot of documentaries on the Indian Wars but have never heard of the Modoc's? An incredible story to be sure!❤🔥
Research the Modoc's
fascinating!!
@@martenkrueger8647 True enough!🤠 I've gone back to that well a couple times.👌A small tribe that left a big impression on history.
Uss modoc first ship to sink a nazi ship during ww2
@@roscoe4092 🧐Interesting factoid👌
I stand in solidarity with The Modoc Tribe. These brave warriors stood strong against an unstoppable force. I'm proud to have been able to visit Captain Jack's Last Stand, and to have paid my respects at the medicine flag.
why? they were much more murderous than the settlers. the settlers showed continued mercy, time after time. if the numbers were reversed, the modocs would leave no on alive, but the settlers tried to not wipe out the modocs. youre also forgetting that the 'unstoppable force' were called only because the modocs killed and raided multiple settler families. it was army vs army.
I hate our history of how the Indians were treated. It's sad that these Europeans were frightened of them, the Indians could have taught them so much about the land, and made life so better. Our history is so sad!
@@sandranatali1260 this is public school education that taught you to fetishized the native americans like this. I was like you. the more i read from the perspective of equal human beings having the same human nature and vulnerabilities in survival, i learned the natives were much more brutal to each other and to the europeans, than vice versa--the problem is that part of history is 'frowned upon' when teaching to kids and high school, until maybe college and self study. little girls were raped, beaten, and cannibalism was frequent across many native tribes and different peoples, i.e the cave dwelling people around the 1200s-1300s. I also realized the native americans did not have much to teach. sure a few tips and tricks about the land they lived on, but for the most part the Europeans were about 3000 years ahead in technology and society. I.E the last time europeans lived in tribes with pictoral or no written language, was about 3000 years ago. It was simply a clash of civilization and thats the way history is. All humans migrate and resettle. the europeans shouldnt be expected to do any different.
@@samuraikyokkan please don't make me fuck you up.... Bad. FUCKING BAD!!!!
@Ben Lozier You are correct officer ben lozier. I did go to hell in 2021. I'm afraid you are incorrect about the difference between facts and opinions though m'boy!
I live in Applegate Oregon not far from the lava beds and I go often. Thanks for a detailed explanation of what the natives went through. I know some locall Klamath Indians and they have strong ties to this area.
Shasta were the Tribe that lived in the Applegate, not the Klamath. I am a Rogue Shasta. My people fought like hell in the Rogue Valley, the Siskiyous and the Cascades, Klamath River and the Lava beds and numerous other places. Please DO NOT ASSUME EVERYTHING TO BE KLAMATH. IT ISN'T
Excellent documentary. Much respect to the Modoc people.
why? they were exactly as they were depicted, murderous and not to be trusted. they killed gen canby. that pandering pundit at 20:27 said the indians were not at all the way they were depicted by the settlers, then at 36:00, they proved to be exactly as the settlers depicted them. shooting the general, then shooting a man after waving the white flag at him.
Why ignore the deprations that were perpetrated by the natives while focusing on the reactions of the settlers?
@@davegreene1198
"Settlers"? LMAO 🤣
Let's be honest, they were invaders. Like the military, these "settlers" you speak of were one of many tools used to conquer more land and to displace people who were already there before them. These "settlers" you speak of were willing participants in genocide.
@@davegreene1198 Those Modocs were war criminals. Plain and simple. History is being re written.
Andrew Hampson
They were at home! YOUR COUNSEL IS WICKED.
"And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage." Micah 2:2 KJV
"Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good," 2 Timothy 3:3 KJV
Hello as a native of Modoc county, I would just like to say the store was very well home thank you.
I was born in Cedarville and always new about the war, but not to this extent. Thank you for sharing.
my grandmother, ardyce murray, was modoc. in 1972, they said we were extinct. mom says we are captain jack's decendants. this is a good version of the story.
I was told that my family are decendants of Capt. Jack also. Do you believe that Rosie died when the documentary said she did? My grandmother, who was told from her mother, told my aunts and mother that one of our relatives was his daughter. I only heard of Rosie; only pictures I saw had her in them. It was said that after Jack died, either Lizzie or the old wife, and the child(ren) fled into Canada. The story goes that my great great great grandmother Hannah or Rosie, left Canada, went to NYC and met my great great great grandfather.
Is it still customary for you to slaughter people in their sleep when you first meet them?
MY GREAT GRAND MOTHER WAS CHEROKEE, I LIVED IN MALIN OREGON FOR A COUPLE YEARS, WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AT LOST RIVER. STUDIED THE MODOC'S AND OTHER TRIBES. IF THE DEPT. OF INDIAN AFFAIRS HAD THEIR WAY THEY WOULD DECLARE ALL TRIBES EXTINCT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHY, ALL THESE WOKE FOLK COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WHAT HAPPENED TO MINORITIES HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. YET REMAIN SILENT ABOUT HOW MANY AMERICAN NATIVES ARE BEING TREATED TODAY.
*Interesting as they call my people extinct here in Canada by simply ignoring us...*
@@leahmonroe9892 my grandmother ardyce told me that we were descended from Capt jack directly, when the children were removed from the caves, they told the soldiers that they were his brother's children, which technically wasn't a lie, in that modoc customs stated that the brothers always adopt their brothers children
Everybody knows about the Sioux and Cheyenne - wars but very little is known about the Modoc-war.
Just as well they’re gone
much smaller tribe and smaller scale.
This documentary was excellent.
my my grandfather as one of the last ones to fight with captain jack and not die.They called him U.S. Grant because he was a great warrior.
Really?
I was born and raised in Siskiyou Co, Modoc is North East of my home town. Capt. Jack had lava caves, easily found food. They were very tough
We need MORE like this!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say? Arab Spring
As I live and breathe, I will never be able to grasp the concept of an unwelcome foreigner intruding upon your land and your people and telling you, you have to leave. Man, you got to be out of your bird! I guess I will leave this selfish, greedy, lying obstinate and ignorant land and world never understanding any of it. Thanks for making all this untold information to this channel. 💜 Peace and Blessings to all kind people 🙏
What you say you cannot grasp...is happening right before your very eyes.
The strong exploit the weak. Always have and always will. Ours is to create as much fairness as possible, but it will always be a fight to do si
I’ve walked those lava beds and some of the many natural trenches; the Stronghold. I’ve been to the ice caves. And I’ve been shot at by a Modoc in Cedarville in the 80’s. But some of this I didn’t know. Great documentary.
Lava beds National monument is a great place to visit. They give talks on this history, and it's quite amazing. The scars on the land are visible, and the culture is just abandoned, such a shame.
There were something like 200 left, forcibly shipped off to Oklahoma, where their numbers were decimated further by disease. But this was just the last chapter of the long genocide. Tucker Carlson is going to burn in hell, if for nothing else, for calling white Americans "heritage Americans."
This story makes me so sad. I'm sorry for all the injustices that happened to so many. 😔
It's sad and tragic what America did to the Native People. It's mostly just Greed.
I'm a grandfather of native American grand children I'm tired old tired. And it's refreshing to see the truth coming out. I grew up in Salem Oregon and live here now.
I play guitar I will sing songs and pray 🙏 for the people, the ones gone and the ones still living. May God heal the wounds we all Carrie from from this injustice.
Sadly even to this day the current administration has no accountability credibility or moral fiber. Now all Americans are being mislead robbed on so many levels. It's no longer just a Native problem it's a theft of us all. Our World is running out of control. I pray for all people to see and hear and come together to stop the Government injustice still going on to this day on us all. Corruption gone wild. I pray for all people and peace for all.
Did?…Its still happening today in 2023!
Im native and i can listen to these stories all day but critically. I will never believe me and my people are uncivilized and barbaric. There is so much more to the first nations people.
except for that line captain jack said about all the whites he killed until he couldnt kill anymore, but more kept coming. not barbaric at all
@@samuraikyokkan Barbaric is a relative concept. Modocs didn't rape which was something Europeans did all the damn time. Wartime rape was seen as not only par for the course but also glorious. Hyper masculine. You seem to have a bias against indigenous people.
If you call a people savage, it makes it much easier to rally others for an invasion.
They knew you weren’t savages. We all know.
A savage cannot live in harmony with Mother Earth for thousands of years. If anything, the savagery was what the Europeans visited upon the indigenous. Do not fall for age-old propaganda. You have a lineage and history to be respected and revered above all others.
@@brycepardoe658 + Yikes! Talk about bigotry, prejudice, & ugly stereotypes.
I don't know what's worse, dismissing you a badly uninformed racist, with some strong personal grievances against Europeans, & White mtelling your own
brand of vile concocting
If you have any evidence, or a source you could recommend, {an unbiased, legitimate source}, about all these European rapists in this country, I assume you mean White men, {US Army troopers?}, were frequently raping native women? I've studied the societies, & cultures of scores, if not 100's of Native
American Nations, Tribes, & bands for longer than you've been alive. I took part in my first archelogical dig, of a local Pomo habitation site in Sonoma County, Northern California when I was 8, while my mother was majoring in Anthropology at the nearby State College. I don't know why I like to brag about the basket making mastery of the various Pomo bands in these 3, or 4 North Bay counties,
@@brycepardoe658Lol native America's did indeed rape and scalped children and tortured people worse than the Romans and Japanese ever thought of doing... It's also a fact native American people cannibalized other natives....
The Modoc are an amazing people. Fierce warriors. Brave and intelligent. Captain Jack had balls man. The way he defended his people.
no they werent. when the indians had the upper hand, there was untold brutality. almost no one was spared from painful deaths. at least upon their defeat, the modocs were spared from the fates they dealt just a few years and decades earlier. stop pretending and pandering. these documentaries are informative, but also bias at the same time--so as to not appear offensive. 11:50 how many did he kill exaclty, all that he could, but still more and more would come? hm.
@@samuraikyokkan I'm very much aware of the brutality they dished out and see nothing wrong with it. My own people (Māori) would eat slain enemies and take their heads as trophies. These trophies called mokomokai were mummified human heads proudly displayed on palisades and waka taua (war ships). If you expect tribal groups defending their lands to adhere to something akin to the Geneva convention you are very naïve. Read some more books and maybe get off the computer and actually interact with some tribal people. You might learn something.
@@brycepardoe658 and that's why God saw fit to give us the upper hand, since those are savage and evil actions.
@@theCosmicQueen Plenty of savagery in the Bible. Elohim even orders genocide. Joshua lopping off the heads of virgin girls only to use those heads as flesh lights. Yup pretty savage. Don't give me that pious crap. Your people got owned. It was your germs and your numbers that got you all the land in the end. The Modoc are amazing people. The strategy they pursued in defence of their lands was nothing short of genius.
They were wqr criminals. Sorry
Deep respect to the Modoc people from Ireland 🇮🇪
why, they were violent and murderous. a great deal of humanity was dished out by the settlers for not giving them the same fate the modocs would give to them, but 11:50 "killing as many as he could, but still more and more would come"
@@samuraikyokkan
It's the myth of the nobel warrior that these types of programs perpetrate.
A value of our past experiences.
I desire to know the History Facts of Ireland, including Ancient History.
Irish American, born Chicago, USA.
Peace be with you,
M Beth Bartlett
Lineage of County Kerry (Murphy, Sullivan, Lynch, and Cole) 🇮🇪 🇺🇲
@@davegreene1198 just like America having justice and liberty for all. A myth. A goddamned lie.
The Modocs had a reputation as land pirates before whites arrived on the scene. They used to raid the more peaceful tribes of Northern California and there were a few battles with the Shasta Indians. The earliest known wagon train massacres were done by the Modocs in the 1830s. That was the real reason for Ben Wright wanting to kill them.
Grandpa always bought alot of horses and gave them away to the Indians because he knew how much they loved them. A kind man.
Base off stories from my grandfather which was told by his grandfather, they use to take supplies to Captain Jack and also tried to convince them to surrender. Those stories had a dramatic influence on who I am today, just wish I could remember more of them.
I am NATIVE ( AMERICAN )
we as people Understand the
Plight The MODOCS went through. PRAYERS and BLESSINGS to those that are STILL FEELING The TRAGEDIES of Times PAST.
@@gilbertosuna5496 Boston Charlie is my great great great uncle and my great grandfather was a klamath chief and I have blood from the chippewa tribe though my bloodline has been white washed through the generations but it still saddens me to learn about this and how my ancestors fought for their land
samwise
THANKS for your great response. What a beautiful
Bloodline YOU Belong to. It's A REAL SHAME that we as NATIVES have to GO through.
@@gilbertosuna5496 i am Cree. And i agree .
@@sherrykendrick1765 You are?!? I have read about your people. Amazing history.
Utterly HEartbreaking. It took me two decades to gear up to watch this series. I knew by the soundtrack it would break my heart. It's amazing these nations have survived. Thank The Great Spirit ✌🏼💖🙏🏼
I grew up in Northern California, in the mountains. In the schools that I attended, we had Chinese, Native Americans, a few African Americans, people descended from Europeans, and a number of people of Mexican decent .
My parents, and my friends parents just called them people. Discrimination wasn't tolerated in our homes, our town or our schools.
Apparently, lessons were learned along the way.
The more research I do on the America's of the 1800's the more I realize that it was always diverse. The American Native nation was strong and had trading relations with the Chinese, South Pacific, as well as African nations long before Columbus. This was the America's BEFORE the 'melting pot' myth.
Wow 👍🏿
my dad and i were at restaurant outside of k falls back about 1960--a deputy was throwing around an older native women--my dad was 6'4" ,220 ex college football player stood up ,got into the little deputy's face,told the deputy no more-the cop ran out the door--my dad said to me, nobody should be treated like that..seems like yesterday
thank you & your father for being good people.
I lived in Chiliquin in 72 then moved to KFalls in 73. I’ve been to all the places discussed here and then some. It’s been years and I’m now an old man living in Florida. Still have friends in KFalls and look back at my time there favorably. Watching this video brought back some fond memories.
Hello from Klamath Falls.
If you lived in Chiloquin why did you spell it wrong??
@@nOw.thyself Oregon is great, but if anyone in your household has a rheumatoid disease, it will be very difficult. I've had neighbors leave Oregon and move to Southern states for better weather.
This bit of history, in a place i am very familiar with...has left me stunned. I had no idea about this indian war. Cheers from Montana
Lived in central oregon for 9 yrs.
Love the high desert
Cptn' Jack stood up in the face of adversity. Nothing more can be asked of a man. Semper Fidelis.
This is very sad. I applaud the efforts of the Modocs.
Why not give up your American citizenship in protest
My dad told me his grandpa met captain jack when he lived down around Klamath falls. He said that he was quite the story teller. That crazy war was not that long ago. My grandparents were born in the late 1800s. My gramma was a quarter Choctaw from Oklahoma. I look just like her, I think. I visited lava beds national monument. Very incredible place. I tried to imagine what it must have been like holding out in that unique place. Some of those caves are magnificent
History is so interesting. Always loved it Always will.without it we don't know where we come from or where we're going. The best day of a war is the day it's over
So many of us small nations have been mistreated by our bigger neighbours and so much unhealed wounds are present to this day .
That was most intriguing. My thanks to the team involved in its making.
Man can't wait to have the Modoc Warrior family come home to bless their Original Homelands here in California 😇
Not gonna happen.
They'll get their bellz shot off.
Genesis 49 .19. Obadiah 1.18 esau.edom .. Your time is getting short
If you ever get a chance to walk some of the battle field, I have many times, you may understand the difficulty the US Army had maneuvering.
The volcanic, lava flows are relentless. Starkly cold when the wind howls off Mt. Shasta to the South. Scorching hot in the summer. Ice caves for water, small game and Mule Deer to hunt. Best defensive position for many miles.
Interesting history. I've always wondered about the Modoc story. Gen. Canby was the commander of the outpost here in Fort Defiance, AZ prior to his involvement with the Modoc.
In 1903 my newly married Grandfather and Grandmother homesteaded a timber homestead near Bly, Oregon. My pregnant Grandmother couldn't take the high altitude of that high plateau so moved back to Vancouver, Washington with her family until my Grandfather "proved up" his homestead! Decades ago hunted deer on my Grandfather's best friend's land there, an Indian who befriended my Grandfather during those hard years there, while my Grandfather stayed with his friend and reminised about their younger days in that "wild country"!
I love this!!! The Creator basically told me the same thing. We are waking up to who we really are, and not the byword labels they keep placing upon us!!!
Killers even today. NRA is still the culprit.
A gun is a weapon of war, not of peace.
No need for anyone to own a gun other than by permission.
I watch too many documentaries. A whole lot of them and on all types of recent and ancient historical topics….This is hands down one of the very best I’ve ever seen.
Praise God for these freedom fighters. They are worthy of great honor.
I'm convinced that the mentality that defined those European immigrant fortune seekers, somehow laid the foundation for the neurotic culture that exists in the US today. A culture mostly based on three things: Deception, ruthlessness and a borderline hysterical contempt for collectivism. Which combined with the position the US gained in the world after WW2, makes for one of the most obscene examples of how _not_ to be a human in modern history.
Bullshit...
Last week I visited Lava Beds National Park. I had no idea about the Modoc War. At the park headquarters I purchased a book by Jeff C. Riddle. He was the son of Frank and Tobey (Winema) Riddle the interpreters mentioned in this documentary. I highly recommend the book.
i have that book
too
Title?
Yeah, its's a very good book, I barrowed it from my local library, read it & cried just like watching this video!
Question...would this family of Riddle be in any wise connected with the town of the same name in southern Oregon?
Tobey is a real "unsung" heroine of Western history. If I remember correctly, not only did she try to warn about the double-cross/ambush murder of Canby, but physically dragged a wounded survivor to safety. I believe she was a daughter of a Modoc chief. Incidentally, Canby is actually the only General ever killed in the Indian wars. Custer was a Civil War "brevet" general, not a general at time of death.
That was a ballsy war correspondent who just up and walked on in there.
Not sure why the army was so surprised that the Modoc would use tactical deception and make good an escape....Bedford Forrest did it to them enough times.
She's right. I am a bit changed. Thanks Oregon Historical Society for conveying the story so well.
Another example of the government lying to, stealing from and murdering indians. I'm Lakota and have a lot of anger and sadness seeing all the things like this that happened to native americans across the nation. And it's never been made rite. All we can do is keep the memory of our ancestors alive and the ways of our ancestors alive and teach this to our children.
Maybe but is it any more so than what tribes did to each other?
@@sc666666 uh yeah it’s pretty simple. We never made promises and deals with them then screwed them over. We just fought with each other. Not even close to the same.
@@timothybutcher6433 soooo, just killed and enslaved them. Silly
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Welcome to the Reservation. The Government is doing the same to all Americans now days . Alex Jones Interviews Russel Means. "Welcome to the Reservation" Russel Means explains how they control everyone .
I have been to the Lava Beds National Monument. Captain Jack and his Modoc tribesmen stood up in the face of adversity. Semper Fidelis.
+David Hauntz They also murdered innocents.
Worth every minute thank for posting on Utube!
thank you for this wonderful collection of history .
My Great Grandpa's both sides were Irish and my Grandmother was Cherokee on my Father's side. My Grandfather had a third grade education and educated himself as he needed to know and always hired and helped and gave credit to all related peoples. Even if they just paid ten dollars a month he would let it go. Never took anyone to court all paid him as he took care of all of them for any furniture needs ever. A man like Dr. Jeff in Colorado.
Great story . l remember long ago our School club would have a whole day at the Lava beds. Very cold at times. I applaud the people who lived in those
Natural freezers. I got to know of the whole place beyond the caves. Or while traveling from Klamath in the back roads to Redding at night you get an eerie feeling because no ones around. I would look out towards the Lava beds&feel the people of that era, .especially in the old dirt roads thank God for 4*4. Today there still is a conflict with the tribes over water rights. What PO'd our family was&is the citizens would show their feelings towards the tribes about the endangered C'Wam fish. All hate towards the Klamath & Yahoskin ,it was BOOO so many would jump on the l'm a Modoc band wagon.
When back in the day it was Klamath who was top dog.
Oh well thank god The tribe is staying strong.
Good day.
read of the ‘Modoc’ when i was young, it was hard to bear then and no easier now .
I'm MODOC, we will never forget, what has happened.
These are events that have effected my families life's even to this day, and if you knew who I was, you would comment with respect, Watch yourself your words belittle you.
Your belittling yourself by demanding respect. Earn that respect
I never demanded respect, lol. I said we will never forget. Learn about what really happened from an actual Tribal member, it might surprise you.
WOW!!!
Great documentary!!
Love Indian names, they're like hood names.
One of the best stories of the West.
Curly Headed Doctor had the juice.
I couldn't comment ...this was somuch the last of or native people...thanks so much for telling the truth
Thank you. This is very thoughtful of you to send me this info.
Kind Regards, Mike
It's strange how I have never heard of this war.
Nice work OPB.
I grew up in Klamath Falls, OR and growing up I visited the Lava Beds now and then and it seems like the lava flow stopped a week ago, it’s an eerie place to visit, back in the 70’s-80’s bullets from the war could be found all over the lava beds. Most don’t know the differences between the various nations and tribes of Indians from that area. The Modocs are an amazing people, they’re very loving, honest and have great senses of humor. The Klamath Yahooskin Indians are the opposite, they’re serious warriors and not to be messed with. I lived in Chiloquin for almost 2 years and I was one of the few white kids in the Chiloquin middle school and that’s where I learned what racism is about. I now live in Texas since I retired from the Army in 2009 but I miss my Modoc friends and my home, the Oregon High Desert is a beautiful place to experience but the winters are pretty harsh which keeps most liberals on the western side of the Cascade mountains where it’s warmer. Indians in that region are nomadic so to say they own land is pretty comedic since different tribes are moving around or displaced by wars between tribes which makes it hard to determine who lives where. The two land reclamation projects in the 20th century took away the vast marshlands the Indians used for their source of food.
Thanks for posting, very informative.
Thank you.
I would be so proud to be a family member of these Indians. I respect Indians. The courage in the way they lived.
Gods paint brush is amazing! I see in the beautiful Modoc people the strength, courage and intellect that I do in my own Teutonic people. War can be poetry for a peoples story of struggle, Love and pain....
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If you appreciated the movie, read the book "The Modocs and their War." If you don't want to read the book, at least read the chapter from "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee."
How about a second for all of "Bury My Heart....?" If I were one of these billionaires I would go on a campaign to put a copy in every hotel room in America, like the old "Gideon Bible" tradition.
The US government has called Turkey's extermination of Armenians genocide, but I have never heard the US government call the extermination of people from the many US indigenous tribes genocide. I think it's time for our leaders to confess that our forefathers did commit genocide and try to right the wrongs that were commuted long ago.
The Canadian and the U.S government would never,ever admit genocide was ever committed in North America....
THANK YOU. HISTORY IS ENLIGHTENMENT.
GARE
Much respect and love to the Modoc people!! Shameful what was done to the "real Americans".
Ely S. Parker ( Native American friend of Grant) said about Robert Lee: "He extended his hand and said, 'I am glad to see one real American here.' I shook his hand and said, 'We are all Americans.'”
Regardless of what your things is back in the 1800 or earlier none of us have a clue what life, individual/public mentality, or where the lines were drawn with regards to right and wrong. Even in Europe the so-called civilized world would shock most people if the were just dropped off in the middle of it. I would go so far as to say most wouldn’t survive if we had our modern values of right and wrong guiding us. It wasn’t about how tough or uncaring one might be. To truly get it I would guess you needed to be raised in such of an environment. We all like thinking about those times.
Puerto Ricans are very proud of our Taìno blood and heritage. My own family are from the north central mountains of Ciales.
As bad as what happened to the Plains Indians, what happened to the California Indians was even more deplorable. If you check into their history, it is enough to make you cry. Although not all whites were selfish and greedy for Indian lands, they just couldn't overpower the ones who were.
The Modoc and Klamath. Mix we still here. Not backing down. Chief K- k Jack was a Klamath.
Old scansion was a very handsome and dignified man. I wish to look like this when I 65 or 70
Great documentary
Irish, Our people love and respect the American Indian, blood brother's and sister's. We stand for justice for all displaced people's in every country on this planet. ☘️✊✌🏼
Add the brave indegious Palestinian peoples to that list. Free Palestine!
@@blurbn they are on it, ALL PEOPLES 👊☘️
@@deeppurple883 In solidarity Brother!
@@blurbn ✊☘️.
@@deeppurple883 Long live the warrior Irish of my Father's clan who empathize with the Catholic Mexicans in the Spanish American war.Freedom!
They glossed over the part where Captain Jack and one of the other executed men's heads were displayed on pikes at the fort. Once the actual heads were removed, they were replaced by replicas.
How the Government and Media allowed the truth to be told to the masses about the Modocs surprised me.
Watched this to see what was said about Canby, the only US General killed by native Americans(that other famous commander had the permanent rank of Lt. Col.). Canby is mentioned several times in The Good the Bad and the Ugly! He is, though not much of a fighter, the hero of the "Gettysburg of the West," Glorieta Pass. Grant so respected this man that he declared that he could not run Washington without him! There is no context here and even the Modoc had no idea who they had killed or the nationwide outrage that would result. Look up Canby, Sibley, and Glorieta, and you will be amazed. What you witnessed in that Italian Western was, to a large degree, real. So unfortunate that a man of such character became not only a victim but also a lightning rod.
They fought, put up a good fight and lost that's the way it goes
This is interesting to learn about, being that it was one of the last wars with American natives. My 9th great grandfather was in the Connecticut militia under General John Mason. They, and a handful of other white colonists helped Uncas, the sachem of the Naragansette tribe, fight off the aggressive Pequot tribe. In return, Uncas granted 9 square acres of land on the Thames River in Connecticut to John Mason. And He, my 9th great grandfather, and a few other white men founded Norwich there.
The Pequot War was the first recorded war in the colonies involving Natives and white settlers.
It's really fascinating to compare the first interaction with one of the last.
Ironically, most of those"gold rush" westward expansionists most likely had at least one Native ancestor somewhere in their blood line. So "we" were killing "our own." I'm mostly German and Scotts Irish. But even i have a Blackfoot great grandma.
It's really disappointing that whites started out helping and protecting the peaceful Natives from their Native tormentors. Then the whites became the tormentors. When this was happening in Oregon and California, my great grandfather was in Orroville Washington raising 9 children, mining copper, and was owner of the largest orchard in the area.
Cool ,And hello from the hills of Arkansas .
Modocs were real Americans - proud and strong
I'm dying for my path leads me to. my ancestors,to keep me from the truth. ty for the video.you make me in part whole
Liked, fine presented, know a little bit about history and you made it very well besides the wrong pictures sometimes in the fascinating story! The Modoc got always a shorter hair cut it seems, maybe a picture of their souls.. It was murderer anyway, then in case of capturing the enemy's leader (chief, headman, General you named it) and finishing the "war" the highest court /the president will judge. God's Blessing to all the people of Oregon from Northern Germany. :~)
And I think he mustn't and was happy...
fantastic
Thank you Winema thank you Captain Jack. I feel much safer in this place knowing your protection.
I study History, I study WAR, I study Business, three connected studies dedicated to pain, suffering and DEATH. Mankind is very effective at murder, killing, chaos and destruction. Carry on
I wept. These are my people. Blood of my blood.
I read about this when I was into reading historical records of Native American victories against U.S. troops.
Hi I have been trying to find information on chief paulina and paulina lake . Any suggestions. Aho
Aho means all my relations in native American.
Went to Sundance and vision quests when I was young in Mt shasta
I am of modoc descent. And this breaks my heart.
It's called "Drum Beat" It's playing now on TCM
The Modoc war was ABSURD!!!!!
All wars vs the natives were based on greed. Change my mind.
@Viper Maybe after you finish school you can make a complete, understandable thought of that sentence.
@Viper learn to spell
@Viper fighting war
All wars are Abs-turds (no matter how it get spelt) shtufff (smells like) hup two hear (waste level) wit know end in site.
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