Our thoughts control us. The idea of identifying/controlling our thoughts and actions brought forth by them reminds me of this quote: "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." Viktor E. Frankl Awareness is key to changing the tables on thought.
Wonderful stuff! I especially like the ideas about suppression and suspending. Observing and paying attention to our actions in this sense is so beneficial.
The reflexes that Bohm talks about; to us they appear to be our autonomous judgements about our experiences, but what they really are, are aspects of the system of thought imposing itself on our experiences. We think that our reactions to things have a grounding in the world, when in fact they are simply reflexes operating of their own accord as it were, and "we" are subject to that movement of thought.
Thanks for this. So very nice to see some very serious and significant discussion on this topic and that it's getting more than just a couple hundred views.
Great to hear someone talking about Bohm from outside his "fanbase/society", fresher. I came to your channel couple years ago via Korzybski who I came to via Bohm, haha, thanks man.
I agree. Some meditation tecniques can help to practice the awareness of the movement of thought you talk about and how it affects perception. Silence helps also. Saludos desde México.
Great topic. I used to do a workshop on healing and evolving the emotional body. It is a bit more complex. Imagine thinking as morphic fields having a personality as in Jungs's collective unconsciousness. Thoughts have a track of movement from Spirit ( mind ) through heart and into Will ( emotional body) then out to body. So thoughts effect feelings directly. Any interruption of this flow will have an effect on the Will. Will is a big thing. The object of control Both within and without.
Great video. I really loved "Thought as a System" which is how I found this video. I've been into "enlightenment" for years and it really became my obsession, how I was going to "make it" in the world (i.e. stop myself from killing myself). It wasn't until I got into Bohm that a lot of things finally clicked. Now I'm just slowly becoming a more conscious person as old belief is left behind. Clearly, though, the world of the mind and it's silly reflex to "resolve" its problems... is the problem
Another winner & so important! The fullest analysis of these ideas I have met is in the buddhist 'foundations of mindfulness' Satipatthana teaching. Not only is it analysed there, but proven techniques in how to are given (I'd recommend a Vipassana retreat). It's a SO much bigger job than is often appreciated because one is reprogramming the default setting in thought habits inborn in us & reinforced through yrs of reactive thinking. Knowing about it is the 1st step - but then the work begins :)
thanks a lot, this video answered my questions about that is suppression of negative thought and what is observing "watching". now I understand that. thanks again :)
Very intuitive thank you so much, this video helped me with extremely negative thoughts i was having prior to watching. Thought creates scenarios that are not 100% accurately existent
so could you say that because we are always being bombarded with ideas and imfomation, but we are not always aware or alert enough to anticipate the effects such info has on us, because we can't always be that alert, that some things "slip under the radar" as it were and effect us much more, because we were not aware at the time that this thing was effecting us?
You seem quite a switched-on guy mr professoranton!! I've been reading Krishnamurti for near on 26 yrs and havent transformed myself atall. I havent read any Bohm thinking thats quantuum physics why would I need to read him? but you have changed my mind.. "On Dialogue" I will buy it first thing tomorrow if I can and have it read by the evening! So if thought can understand itself will "I" be revolutionised and never again be a burden to this earth which is what we all are lets face it!?
this is a very fascinating way of perceiving the nature of thought....I had never 'thought' of it that way before (0___*) Srsly, great discussion on Bohm's idea
I'm just trying to understand this, but does it make sense to say that there is thought, and thought creates meaning, and because we are not properly aware of the activity of thought, we fail to see the "deeper" meaning, which thought itself could never percieve or produce, and that deeper meaning relates to thought itself, and its activity of creating meaning....
Nice ending point for my hiatus offline. Corey your narratives and synthesis are remarkable and one of my favourite nodes on the internet. My own page is @twee_v_. will certainly be back here looking at your videos again. Thank you for sharing, happy 2018
Very good. IMO, when the teaching of the basic principles of metacognition to preschool children becomes universal, it will be the dawn of a new era for mankind. But only if it can be done before a new dark age consumes us.
hah, the Krinsch trip is a mindfuck and i sepak from experience! What woke me out of K's pull which I had knowingly allowed was finding by accident the book by his mistress titled Living in the Shadow of Krishnamurti where she tells whjat he was ACTUALLY like!
Becoming more aware of our thought makes us realize more and more that we can't stop it. Therefore, it seems this is the wrong way. It's like trying not to think about a purple elephant
there are no feelings, there are no people; the whole thing is one giant illusion. Problem is we've taken it to be real. All is empty. There is actually nothing, nothing at all. H.H. The Sixth Patriarch Hui Neng (638 - 713). This is too advanced, and most of all for the learned.
You seem quite a switched-on guy mr professoranton!! I've been reading Krishnamurti for near on 26 yrs and havent transformed myself atall. I havent read any Bohm thinking thats quantuum physics why would I need to read him? but you have changed my mind.. "On Dialogue" I will buy it first thing tomorrow if I can and have it read by the evening! So if thought can understand itself will "I" be revolutionised and never again be a burden to this earth which is what we all are lets face it!?
I'm just trying to understand this, but does it make sense to say that there is thought, and thought creates meaning, and because we are not properly aware of the activity of thought, we fail to see the "deeper" meaning, which thought itself could never perceive or produce, and that deeper meaning relates to thought itself, and its activity of creating meaning....
This method of avoiding negative emotion has worked for me a few times since I saw this video a few days ago. Thanks for posting.
Our thoughts control us.
The idea of identifying/controlling our thoughts and actions brought forth by them reminds me of this quote:
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." Viktor E. Frankl
Awareness is key to changing the tables on thought.
Wonderful stuff! I especially like the ideas about suppression and suspending. Observing and paying attention to our actions in this sense is so beneficial.
Thanks. Best to you
The reflexes that Bohm talks about; to us they appear to be our autonomous judgements about our experiences, but what they really are, are aspects of the system of thought imposing itself on our experiences. We think that our reactions to things have a grounding in the world, when in fact they are simply reflexes operating of their own accord as it were, and "we" are subject to that movement of thought.
Great video. This is basic mindfulness practice as described in classic Buddhist meditation.
Thank you so much for what you share. I'm half way through the Epictetus and using it to reduce my fuse blowing as I go about the world.
Thanks for this. So very nice to see some very serious and significant discussion on this topic and that it's getting more than just a couple hundred views.
Great to hear someone talking about Bohm from outside his "fanbase/society", fresher. I came to your channel couple years ago via Korzybski who I came to via Bohm, haha, thanks man.
I agree. Some meditation tecniques can help to practice the awareness of the movement of thought you talk about and how it affects perception. Silence helps also. Saludos desde México.
Great topic. I used to do a workshop on healing and evolving the emotional body. It is a bit more complex. Imagine thinking as morphic fields having a personality as in Jungs's collective unconsciousness. Thoughts have a track of movement from Spirit ( mind ) through heart and into Will ( emotional body) then out to body. So thoughts effect feelings directly. Any interruption of this flow will have an effect on the Will. Will is a big thing. The object of control Both within and without.
Great video. I really loved "Thought as a System" which is how I found this video. I've been into "enlightenment" for years and it really became my obsession, how I was going to "make it" in the world (i.e. stop myself from killing myself). It wasn't until I got into Bohm that a lot of things finally clicked. Now I'm just slowly becoming a more conscious person as old belief is left behind. Clearly, though, the world of the mind and it's silly reflex to "resolve" its problems... is the problem
Another winner & so important! The fullest analysis of these ideas I have met is in the buddhist 'foundations of mindfulness' Satipatthana teaching. Not only is it analysed there, but proven techniques in how to are given (I'd recommend a Vipassana retreat).
It's a SO much bigger job than is often appreciated because one is reprogramming the default setting in thought habits inborn in us & reinforced through yrs of reactive thinking. Knowing about it is the 1st step - but then the work begins :)
thanks a lot, this video answered my questions about that is suppression of negative thought and what is observing "watching". now I understand that. thanks again :)
This is a parallel description of mindfulness practice. Watching your own thoughts as a separate observer reserving judgment and affect.
Isn't that moment when we say "I have thoughts", as if there were an "I" between two thoughts, a kind of mistake produced by self-awareness?
Very intuitive thank you so much, this video helped me with extremely negative thoughts i was having prior to watching. Thought creates scenarios that are not 100% accurately existent
Thanks. Best to you,
so could you say that because we are always being bombarded with ideas and imfomation, but we are not always aware or alert enough to anticipate the effects such info has on us, because we can't always be that alert, that some things "slip under the radar" as it were and effect us much more, because we were not aware at the time that this thing was effecting us?
But if you cannot suspend the anger and instead suppress it, how on eath are you going to be able to suspend the suppression and observe that?
You seem quite a switched-on guy mr professoranton!! I've been reading Krishnamurti for near on 26 yrs and havent transformed myself atall. I havent read any Bohm thinking thats quantuum physics why would I need to read him? but you have changed my mind.. "On Dialogue" I will buy it first thing tomorrow if I can and have it read by the evening! So if thought can understand itself will "I" be revolutionised and never again be a burden to this earth which is what we all are lets face it!?
this is a very fascinating way of perceiving the nature of thought....I had never 'thought' of it that way before (0___*) Srsly, great discussion on Bohm's idea
@Professoranton, but when we look at thought arnt we becoming part of the whole?
What is described here is also known as mindfulness meditation. Interesting to hear analyzed from another angle.
I'm just trying to understand this, but does it make sense to say that there is thought, and thought creates meaning, and because we are not properly aware of the activity of thought, we fail to see the "deeper" meaning, which thought itself could never percieve or produce, and that deeper meaning relates to thought itself, and its activity of creating meaning....
If I am the one engaged in thought, then who is it that is observing the thought?
Great video. Thanks!
I know Bohm from his 'implicate order' idea, that I just love.
everything is connected - consciousness creates thought by tapping into quantum connectivity. the question is, what is consciousness.
Nice ending point for my hiatus offline. Corey your narratives and synthesis are remarkable and one of my favourite nodes on the internet. My own page is @twee_v_. will certainly be back here looking at your videos again. Thank you for sharing, happy 2018
Good stuff.
Very good.
IMO, when the teaching of the basic principles of metacognition to preschool children becomes universal, it will be the dawn of a new era for mankind.
But only if it can be done before a new dark age consumes us.
hah, the Krinsch trip is a mindfuck and i sepak from experience!
What woke me out of K's pull which I had knowingly allowed was finding by accident the book by his mistress titled Living in the Shadow of Krishnamurti where she tells whjat he was ACTUALLY like!
Very very good, thanks a lot. :)
@Professoranton I do!
Thanks.
Do vipassana meditation.
Becoming more aware of our thought makes us realize more and more that we can't stop it. Therefore, it seems this is the wrong way. It's like trying not to think about a purple elephant
Yes, sir ---I consider thought to be a child.
how propaganda works: shape subjective reality by shaping thought
there are no feelings, there are no people; the whole thing is one giant illusion. Problem is we've taken it to be real. All is empty. There is actually nothing, nothing at all. H.H. The Sixth Patriarch Hui Neng (638 - 713). This is too advanced, and most of all for the learned.
You seem quite a switched-on guy mr professoranton!! I've been reading Krishnamurti for near on 26 yrs and havent transformed myself atall. I havent read any Bohm thinking thats quantuum physics why would I need to read him? but you have changed my mind.. "On Dialogue" I will buy it first thing tomorrow if I can and have it read by the evening! So if thought can understand itself will "I" be revolutionised and never again be a burden to this earth which is what we all are lets face it!?
I'm just trying to understand this, but does it make sense to say that there is thought, and thought creates meaning, and because we are not properly aware of the activity of thought, we fail to see the "deeper" meaning, which thought itself could never perceive or produce, and that deeper meaning relates to thought itself, and its activity of creating meaning....