Two-pot retirement system is a scam - SAFTU

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  • Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
  • SAFTU has rejected government's two-pot retirement system. SAFTU
    secretary-general Zwelinzima Vavi says it's a scam by the government to raise money for the state to fix the fiscal difficulties.
    Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 359

  • @ntokozomdlalose4852
    @ntokozomdlalose4852 21 день тому +86

    39% tax on R30k withdrawal. Finally someone has label this for what it is "SCAM". This is not to help us but to generate more funds to loot. Amesela lawa

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 21 день тому +1

      Since when does it help you to use your retirement money before retiring ????
      Dom Doos !!!!

    • @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze
      @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze 21 день тому +12

      @@truth-Hurts375 you can argue/comment without insults. let's engage and increase knowledge.

    • @mrb2643
      @mrb2643 21 день тому +6

      @@truth-Hurts375 if you are fired or leave jobs and or are retrenched. many other situations but some peoples minds cannot comprehend the list of circumstances that life throws at you...their minds are limited to only their shallow and narrow perspective, drowning them from learning and creating a false sense of ego intelligence with them, its not you im talking about if you were sharp enough to follow but perhaps other people, not you

    • @letlhogonolokolberg772
      @letlhogonolokolberg772 16 днів тому +2

      ​@@truth-Hurts375 Another cry baby who can't engage on meaningful conversations without insulting people😳

    • @molefiramatheko4795
      @molefiramatheko4795 9 днів тому

      😂😂 lack of knowledge is killing many people because of lazy to learn any money the government has the right to tax it nothing you can do study everything and refrain following idiot's advices😮

  • @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze
    @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze 21 день тому +88

    thank you, Mr Vavi. you are raising important facts. there is not need for the government to tax us on these funds.

    • @AndileZigoxo
      @AndileZigoxo 21 день тому +11

      Admin fees as well😂

    • @MrEvansjethro
      @MrEvansjethro 21 день тому

      @@AndileZigoxo It is always expected that an illogical to make your kind of comment.

    • @Inprogress_of_newbeginings
      @Inprogress_of_newbeginings 21 день тому +1

      Please understand how tax calculations work.
      It's R30,000 to your annual income, less rebates/abatements. It's not going to be so much.
      Also, if people don't want to pay tax don't withdraw.

    • @MxolisiMthembu6018
      @MxolisiMthembu6018 21 день тому

      ​@@Inprogress_of_newbeginingsIs the R30 000 coming from an employee's annual income or from the retirement fund?

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 21 день тому +1

      Then you must pay the tax before it goes into your retirement fund...same difference !!!
      Domkop !!!

  • @djdinobravo
    @djdinobravo 21 день тому +35

    Mr Vavi is right. It’s a scam. Retirement should not be taxed.
    We are already taxed all of our lives.

  • @hgfku-tn6hb
    @hgfku-tn6hb 21 день тому +43

    Reject what vavi is saying and regret later. This system is going to create unexpected confusion and corruption

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 21 день тому +1

      Kak praat nie !!!
      Where is the corruption at old mutual ????

    • @user-ww5qw8jd3b
      @user-ww5qw8jd3b 21 день тому

      Vavi is aging and he's voice of reason. If we don't open our eyes, the government will rob us blind

  • @kgomotsothamage847
    @kgomotsothamage847 21 день тому +36

    Thanks a lot, please save us from this cruel people of scamming us

    • @tlharichauke4662
      @tlharichauke4662 21 день тому +3

      Our government is very cruel indeed

    • @mrb2643
      @mrb2643 21 день тому

      GOverment taxes you, then you go to the stores and pay tax on what you buy. for R100 you earn, you must pay R20 income tax. You take your R80 to buy petrol and food and pay another 15% tax.

  • @vusumzincwadi8982
    @vusumzincwadi8982 21 день тому +23

    We were never consulted as government employees about this nonsense

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +6

      Blame the Unions for NOT informing its members because they knew

  • @enigma5703
    @enigma5703 19 днів тому +10

    Agree with Mr Vavi, after years of paying taxes, we should not be taxed on our retirement. At retirement, you have paid your dues.

  • @benjaminmalope9311
    @benjaminmalope9311 21 день тому +19

    Bring Minister of Finance and Labour to explain this point Mr Vavi is raising

  • @ntokozomdlalose4852
    @ntokozomdlalose4852 21 день тому +25

    LOOTING VOLUME 2 Done by the government.

    • @mrb2643
      @mrb2643 21 день тому

      create jobs then more tax, more money for government to steal. no need ot steal from the 10% of tax payers funding 90% of this country, NSFAS, Public works, NHI

  • @derekwoolley9729
    @derekwoolley9729 20 днів тому +13

    The only winner here is the tax man.

    • @ExcitedArcticBirds-ck3fd
      @ExcitedArcticBirds-ck3fd 20 днів тому +2

      Exactly. I just calculated my little Pension fund and SARS IS GOING TO TAKE A WHOOPING 7K ....

  • @dumirose9174
    @dumirose9174 21 день тому +18

    Who wants to take 30000rand then to be taxed 10%,who came up with this mess,then you pay it back.
    Financial illiteracy

  • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
    @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 21 день тому +15

    May you never tire of fighting for the poor Mr. Vavi. Even as they are felled by their own ignorance.

  • @RobertLouis10
    @RobertLouis10 4 дні тому +67

    Thank you Lord Jesus for the gift of life and blessings to me and my family $45,120.47 monthly profit Our lord Jesus has lifted my Life!!!🙏❤❤❤

    • @Sophiehatton430
      @Sophiehatton430 4 дні тому +1

      I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

    • @RobertLouis10
      @RobertLouis10 4 дні тому +1

      Well, the investment-advisor that guides me is..

    • @RobertLouis10
      @RobertLouis10 4 дні тому +2

      Cathie Wood

    • @CharlotteMorgan20
      @CharlotteMorgan20 4 дні тому +1

      😱Sounds familiar, I have heard her name on several occasions.. and both her success stories in the wall Street journal!!!

    • @michaelcarl434
      @michaelcarl434 4 дні тому +2

      Her services is the best, I got a brand new Lambo last week and paid off my mortgage loan thanks to her wonderful services!

  • @terryb5612
    @terryb5612 21 день тому +14

    This is a scam. It's governments way to fast track income tax into it's coffers. Your first R550000 is tax free. Why don't they deduct the withdrawals from that portion? I agree with Vavi. This is a cruel way to help people out of dept. They will be back in dept in a few months.

    • @chwayitazihlangu305
      @chwayitazihlangu305 17 днів тому +2

      I truly agree. In real fact, why are they not taking from the first 550K as it is Tax Free? Individuals can then get taxed upon reaching that 550K threshold.

  • @Mzola100
    @Mzola100 21 день тому +43

    This thing must be challenged in court.

    • @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu
      @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 21 день тому +2

      Ok, go. Challenge it in court.

    • @zanelengubane4331
      @zanelengubane4331 21 день тому +4

      Don't you think it's too late for that?

    • @sphamandlalumkile1171
      @sphamandlalumkile1171 21 день тому +2

      Its too late my guy next month it’s kicking in 😢

    • @isaacsaki3029
      @isaacsaki3029 20 днів тому +1

      I agree bcz is indeed unconstitutional this is not a consistent move it can be reversed is not too late under Cyril ramaphosa, leadership we are in deep shite

    • @Lihle100
      @Lihle100 20 днів тому +3

      Nothing is irreversible

  • @malosemasimini3944
    @malosemasimini3944 21 день тому +10

    Good Mr Vavi. The second pot comes as a trap and scam. We actually need the money that will help us take a great financial leap. What can we do with these 30 thousands mara?

  • @khathi92
    @khathi92 21 день тому +15

    This is a scam period!!! I advise people not to take this money

  • @josephphitla1254
    @josephphitla1254 20 днів тому +11

    Government owes me a proper consultation over my money,

  • @MzamoAdoons372
    @MzamoAdoons372 21 день тому +47

    Our unions especially in the public service are just useless

    • @leanolaone6431
      @leanolaone6431 21 день тому +5

      They 'eat' with the ANC that's why I have always said they are not for us the people.

    • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
      @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 21 день тому

      😂dutch settlers and Unions, an age old battle.

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +1

      Especially THIS one

    • @mrb2643
      @mrb2643 21 день тому

      They dont create jobs they strike, violent and bring companies to the knees. Sibanye, they FOUGHT the system for double digit increase in 2022. by 2024 13 000 people get retrenched from Sibanye. SO companies will play the game because of violent militant unions

    • @Qhawemusic7384
      @Qhawemusic7384 21 день тому

      Say that again bahlangene nabaqashi kuxhashazwa abasebenzi

  • @khathi92
    @khathi92 21 день тому +15

    And people are busy worried about Chidima being a Nigerian while their government are passing laws that will kill their retirement funds!!!! Sick nation

    • @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze
      @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze 21 день тому +2

      😂😂😂 Not all people are affected by the two-pot system.

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому

      Yup

    • @kabelontjana2577
      @kabelontjana2577 16 днів тому +2

      we are everywhere on matters affecting our beautiful nation, we care less about outsiders affairs

    • @ndwekazim4881
      @ndwekazim4881 8 днів тому +1

      U bring that identity theft issue on this platform, that is very sick, nxaa

    • @twentyfifty2050
      @twentyfifty2050 8 днів тому

      Remember that in South Africa, only a few people are employed and fewer actually get pension contributions. We can't blame the nation for not uproaring.

  • @alfredtaje9319
    @alfredtaje9319 21 день тому +11

    Government defrauding working class.

    • @aykay9328
      @aykay9328 21 день тому +1

      In collusion with corporate, these monies are invested in insurance companies

    • @user-uo6pn9eh7h
      @user-uo6pn9eh7h 13 днів тому

      What if I get dismissed before retirement will I get my vested pot?

  • @piusbasi4232
    @piusbasi4232 21 день тому +21

    This is Nonsense

  • @judeshgovender6729
    @judeshgovender6729 20 днів тому +10

    this is a scam to take from one side

  • @hopegouws123Florence
    @hopegouws123Florence 19 днів тому +5

    Why not leave people's money that they have worked so hard for what does the government think people cant handle their hard urned money leave our funds alone why should we be educated how to use our monies this is not fair we are being over taxed😢😢

  • @webuildDigital
    @webuildDigital 14 днів тому +3

    We dont want this two pot scam . Mr Vavi we stand with you . We need to stop this from becoming law. We wont the two pot system.

  • @thembanicekiso1731
    @thembanicekiso1731 21 день тому +13

    I agree this is a scam because they will deduct an Administration fee and then Tax . ..then mna I get change

    • @sphamandlalumkile1171
      @sphamandlalumkile1171 21 день тому +1

      Its always like that just that now you can get your money anytime without retiring yet

    • @twentyfifty2050
      @twentyfifty2050 8 днів тому

      ​@@sphamandlalumkile1171"R30 000" not my money bafo

  • @josephphitla1254
    @josephphitla1254 20 днів тому +17

    We reject this nonsense

  • @lindafisher717
    @lindafisher717 20 днів тому +9

    I actually agree with vavi.

  • @mrb2643
    @mrb2643 21 день тому +6

    Most people dont realise now that their Money is stuck in the vested pot and retirement pot , unlike before , if you were in real trouble needed to resign or fired, you could access all, now those funds are locked and you can only get whatever small savings in the Savings Pot.

  • @LebogangMorake-w3u
    @LebogangMorake-w3u 21 день тому +7

    We need that money 💰 to fund our business and pay our school fees since we struggling to get funds from government...30k isn't enough 😢

    • @banelemahlasela8663
      @banelemahlasela8663 19 днів тому +1

      But you will end up with less because of Tax

    • @Jupiter-db9tg
      @Jupiter-db9tg 18 днів тому

      ​@@banelemahlasela8663what is the Tex percentage?of R30000 for example if I earned less than R95000 p/a

  • @SasiponPanavaravatn
    @SasiponPanavaravatn 18 днів тому +17

    At 39 and recently laid off, I’m at a breaking point. With $425K saved for early retirement at 50, $10K in an HSA, and a property that could yield an additional $200K, what are my options for generating steady income?

    • @RichardGeorge-uj9iu
      @RichardGeorge-uj9iu 18 днів тому

      It’s reasonable to consider getting a financial advisor now, but delaying retirement might be a wiser choice

    • @SasiponPanavaravatn
      @SasiponPanavaravatn 18 днів тому

      I’m unsure weather to find another job or merge all my investment accounts into one. If I do, how should I handle it, and are there any potential drawbacks? I also plan to sell my property, which could add $200K over time. Should I consolidate my investments into a single account or spread them across various markets?

    • @RhysHuntoffice
      @RhysHuntoffice 18 днів тому

      These are crucial questions for a financial planner. I met mine at a NYSE summit, and with her help, my wife and I reallocated our $1.7M portfolio between a traditional IRA and a brokerage account. She’s been making investments with our approval and has helped us recover twice our losses. We’re holding steady and carefully navigating more markets

    • @ronniewilliams-g222
      @ronniewilliams-g222 18 днів тому

      That’s impressive! My portfolio is struggling. Who’s the advisor?

    • @RhysHuntoffice
      @RhysHuntoffice 18 днів тому

      June Renae Matthysse. Look her up online; she’s well-known

  • @mikenortje3023
    @mikenortje3023 21 день тому +7

    100% true Mr Vavi

  • @user-of8zt8nh4e
    @user-of8zt8nh4e 18 днів тому +4

    Scam it must not be taxed finish klaar THERE WAS NO CONSULTATION AT ALL WITH US THIS IS OUR MONEY NOT BOARDROOM MONEY

  • @Gas20063
    @Gas20063 20 днів тому +4

    Lol, the government has been looking at the value of the public employees' retirement fund. All those trillions and no way to get your hands on them, but now that has changed: the government has managed to split your attention towards your retirement. Now, they can access your retirement.

  • @aldw-rn6qy
    @aldw-rn6qy 20 днів тому +17

    I can recall when I was homeless and faced with many things in Life until $75,000 biweekly began rolling in and my Life went from A homeless nobody to a different person with good things to offer!!!!!!❤️❤️

    • @SusanLizzy-ko1zz
      @SusanLizzy-ko1zz 20 днів тому

      I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

    • @aldw-rn6qy
      @aldw-rn6qy 20 днів тому

      After enduring many struggles, I am now filled with gratitude for owning a new home. My family is happy, and everything is finally falling into place.

    • @Melissa-ms4xn
      @Melissa-ms4xn 20 днів тому

      I have been searching for ways to achieve success. Can you please guide me on how to do so?

    • @aldw-rn6qy
      @aldw-rn6qy 20 днів тому

      Sure, the investment-advisor that guides me is..

    • @aldw-rn6qy
      @aldw-rn6qy 20 днів тому

      MRS KIANA DANIAL

  • @mershanmoodley5640
    @mershanmoodley5640 14 днів тому +1

    SAFTU.. Thanks For Speaking Up!! Yes, People Are Riddled By Inflation, Prices N 4 A Better Quality Of Life.. So Naturally They Will Be Spending It & Rolling-With-It Throughout The Economy.. ✌️

  • @daniegreyvenstein6120
    @daniegreyvenstein6120 21 день тому +10

    This is wrong

  • @dineshanpillay5944
    @dineshanpillay5944 21 день тому +18

    Saftu is a scam, tell us vote anc, we suffer while these guys stay in mansions

    • @Luba_Dyasi
      @Luba_Dyasi 21 день тому +7

      Dont confuse Saftu with Cosatu please maan

    • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
      @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 21 день тому

      You would love to impose serf-like conditions of employment without Unions to push back, F'n ghoul

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 21 день тому

      Kak praat nie....

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому

      Exactly

    • @siyabongakoyo238
      @siyabongakoyo238 20 днів тому +2

      Haibo SAFTU never told you to vote ANC you're confusing SAFTU with COSATU wena

  • @mponengjoe9075
    @mponengjoe9075 21 день тому +8

    For those who want to withdraw the R30000 .make sure U increase your pension contribution by at least R500 per month to make sure U cover for the withdrawal by the time you go to retirement.

  • @RyanTripodza
    @RyanTripodza 21 день тому +10

    If money is withdrawn from a retirement fund, prior to the person retiring, it is no longer money for retirement and thus is eligible to be taxed.

    • @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu
      @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 21 день тому +7

      Exactly. What the hell is Vavi on about?! No wonder SAFTU is so useless with this. 😂😂😂

    • @lebronvuyo_tsabetse
      @lebronvuyo_tsabetse 21 день тому

      @@RyanTripodza precisely!

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +1

      Exactly 🤷‍♂️

    • @MsMak03
      @MsMak03 21 день тому

      I’m actually shocked by the misinformation. WTH??

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому

      @@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 🤣🤣🤣

  • @percymashao1472
    @percymashao1472 14 днів тому +3

    With 600 000 Old mutual members predicted to withdraw, Assuming admin charges of around R300 will mean Old mutual will make +-R 180 million.
    Now if the average tax is 26% meaning it will tax members R7 800, then Sars stand to make +- R4.6 Billion just from old mutual's clients.
    Imagine if they get 4.6 Billion from each administrator( Sanlam, Momentum, Discovery and etc.) then Sars will make Trillions. They don't have to wait for people to retire anymore.
    That is the main aim for two pot, To fund SARs while in the disguise of "helping" South Africans

  • @nhlanhla.vchili960
    @nhlanhla.vchili960 21 день тому +8

    Working class must learn to save money so they could stay away from such things. We can’t be making so much noise for R30k whereas most taxed income is halft close to R30k, Learn to save money 👏🏾

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому

      Yup

    • @MartinVilakazi-ft9de
      @MartinVilakazi-ft9de 21 день тому +2

      Bru I believe you haven't done enough research about the economy of this country

    • @jeandrejacobs5433
      @jeandrejacobs5433 21 день тому +2

      You won't even get R30 000 they will still deduct tax. It will be much less.

    • @nhlanhla.vchili960
      @nhlanhla.vchili960 20 днів тому +3

      @@MartinVilakazi-ft9de my brother if we can be honest with ourselves we all know that this R30k is not worth it, it is so expensive; not only does it get taxed heavily but it also eating up retirement which is currently not enough on it own.
      Under any economic condition people will alwys have money problems, and there’s little to non that can be solved with this R30k.
      We have personal finance issues and not the economy issues, if we can take care of our finances we can be all good trust me🤞🏾.
      Pardon my comments if they sound arrogant, but they coming from a very good place👊🏽

    • @nhlanhla.vchili960
      @nhlanhla.vchili960 20 днів тому

      @@jeandrejacobs5433 this money honestly is not worth it, you will be taxed and after the financial year most people will be owing sars 🤞🏾, it is said that when they closing the year they will calculate this R30k as a monthly income which will indicate that you have been taxed less than you should be💔

  • @cherylvandermeulen6897
    @cherylvandermeulen6897 20 днів тому +3

    It's so sad to see how the government manipulates the people. Everyone has to pay tax on your pension because that money is saved and deducted so you less tax monthly BUT YOU WILL PAY TAX ON THAT MONEY LATER. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT DRAW ON YOUR PENSION UNTIL YOU RETIRE, IF YOU DO YOU WILL GET LESS MONEY THEN. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING WHAT THE ANC IS DOING😮

  • @tiaanscheepers5425
    @tiaanscheepers5425 12 днів тому +1

    Well done SAFTU 🎉, keep educating. But Im happy about the 2 pot system it could really help people eventually in a dire situation while safeguarding them against themselves for the future.

  • @thandugonose9769
    @thandugonose9769 20 днів тому +3

    Thank you Vavi.

  • @hopewellzungu8457
    @hopewellzungu8457 21 день тому +5

    Yes, this is modern slavery.

  • @shaheedcassim2557
    @shaheedcassim2557 20 днів тому +3

    I don't agree with unions on much but he is right when he said no consultation took place. There was a consultation with supposed "stakeholders" but I guess the people who the money actually belongs to aren't the stakeholders😂now suddenly the companies that were managing employee benefits are being bought and closed down and suddenly your funds administrator is changed? Sounds like a way to put a price on you and sell you if as a customer to one of the big players in the financial industry

  • @khathi92
    @khathi92 21 день тому +3

    Till this day, some people still don't understand this two pot system 😒 😕

  • @VusiNdlovu-mt2fi
    @VusiNdlovu-mt2fi 19 днів тому +1

    Thank Mr vavi your input aligned most

  • @edwardbhengu7864
    @edwardbhengu7864 21 день тому +5

    We were left out as main stakeholders (the workers) the process was not fair our rights were looked down upon. This is setting a trend which undermines the worker's rights in South Africa. It is not going to end exploiting the entire south Africans.

  • @lebronvuyo_tsabetse
    @lebronvuyo_tsabetse 21 день тому +7

    What did Vavi expect when they pushed for the accessing of retirement funds? They should’ve advised their members against from the beginning.

    • @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze
      @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze 21 день тому +3

      it was a good initiative. the challenge is when the government put a "tax" on these funds.

    • @lebronvuyo_tsabetse
      @lebronvuyo_tsabetse 21 день тому +3

      @@NokoRamoroka-ho5ze I don’t necessarily think it was, a retirement fund is for RETIREMENT. We are all aware that should you wish to access the money prior to that there are penalties and that’s how the system was designed, those measures were placed to keep the masses disciplined.

    • @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze
      @NokoRamoroka-ho5ze 21 день тому

      @@lebronvuyo_tsabetse 😭😭😭

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +1

      The unions didn't say one word about this issue until NOW when it's about to go into effect. It's WAY 2 late🤷‍♂️

    • @lebronvuyo_tsabetse
      @lebronvuyo_tsabetse 21 день тому +2

      @@vthomas2482 right? They’ve been quiet all along, now that they’re in hot waters they claiming foul play. This is what they get for making a deal with the devil.

  • @ayandazulu8014
    @ayandazulu8014 21 день тому +5

    If whatever money you’ll get takes your annual salary to the next level of tax bracket you’ll be taxed according to that Tax bracket absurd

  • @VIEWMARY001
    @VIEWMARY001 18 днів тому +2

    when i first heard about this i was happy thinking it's gonna be some meaningful benefit, but just like Vavi i have since came to the conclusion that it's a scam. what can you do with 30K - tax? -- stupid law.

  • @stevemartin7464
    @stevemartin7464 21 день тому +2

    The thing I worry about is people withdrawing their pensions and not having any left when they are older. We used to have a system where people could withdraw their pensions and it was quite rightly scrapped because too many people are left destitute. I think this is a bad idea.

  • @welileblom9273
    @welileblom9273 21 день тому +6

    But what can people on the ground can do to stop this because its very wrong

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +1

      Absolutely NOTHING !!!!

    • @teem7303
      @teem7303 11 днів тому

      @@vthomas2482 Arab spring. If everybody says "WE CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE", then serious reforms will take place.

  • @user-if8ij1yu7v
    @user-if8ij1yu7v 21 день тому +5

    The industry is not ready

    • @user-if8ij1yu7v
      @user-if8ij1yu7v 20 днів тому

      Michelle didn't sound convincing when answering the question asked by Aldrin about their readiness

  • @bafanahectorzoya1833
    @bafanahectorzoya1833 13 днів тому +1

    This is a scam why is the tax will go up as if your salary has increased while it has not increased this is unfair

  • @khayalikhulutwalo9260
    @khayalikhulutwalo9260 21 день тому +2

    I share the same sentiment as Mr. Vavi

  • @edwilljohannes4599
    @edwilljohannes4599 21 день тому +4

    No government initiatives I'd for the people but for them when will people understand that?

  • @sphiwemnisi6422
    @sphiwemnisi6422 21 день тому +4

    workers are being taxed every time they make contributions to retirement funds, why must we texted also when we withdraw?

    • @Qhawemusic7384
      @Qhawemusic7384 21 день тому +1

      They making us professional slaves

    • @sophie7571
      @sophie7571 20 днів тому +1

      Contributions to retirement funds are not taxed

    • @teem7303
      @teem7303 11 днів тому

      @@sophie7571 But withdrawals are, which is quite criminal and highly unethical. But yes.... our government has never been known to possess any ethics whatsoever.

    • @sophie7571
      @sophie7571 11 днів тому

      @@teem7303 why do you think it's not ethical? Contributions were exempt from tax because they are money set aside for when you are no longer working. But if you elect to withdraw it before then, it is no longer for your retirement so why should it not be taxed just as the rest of your income is?

    • @teem7303
      @teem7303 11 днів тому

      @@sophie7571 That's what income tax is for. Why should they again tax my retirement funds?
      Did we not pay enough tax whilst working? Is VAT, fuel levy, sin tax and all other manner of taxes not enough?
      Now, according to you, it's justified that they tax me for retirement?
      According to your logic, it's justified that we're punished for using our own money that we set aside, earlier than the projected date due to current and pressing matters.

  • @mzwandileluthuli2857
    @mzwandileluthuli2857 20 днів тому +2

    Why must I pay back my own money weh babe ANC and freakin parliament, who approved this nonsense, anisuthi zinja ninomhobholo masela ndini.

  • @Kidschesstutor
    @Kidschesstutor 17 днів тому +2

    We must take to the street , this 30k must not be taxed...

  • @andrewchipo9282
    @andrewchipo9282 21 день тому +5

    Ppl the truth is cosatu knw abt ths s always thy sold us out to anc of ramaphosa

  • @Z.Finance
    @Z.Finance 17 днів тому +1

    It is a losing battle when you try to get unions to go against academics. How can you expect the averagely learned trade union representative to go against doctors level educated individuals? Such things will continue to happen coz no matter unions says, their members will go ahead and withdraw because the academics knew very well that such offers are irresistible like early retirement offers given by companies

  • @lindafisher717
    @lindafisher717 20 днів тому +3

    Do we just register on the Alex Forbes app?

  • @chaukelattovulture106
    @chaukelattovulture106 20 днів тому +1

    Revolution will reveal the truth. 😢😢😢😢

  • @bhekumusamalindisa8605
    @bhekumusamalindisa8605 13 днів тому +1

    They do as they please with our money without our consent or agreement, this is not meant to benefit us as individuals otherwise it wouldn't be considered...this money is locked/kept away from us so that investment companies can have access to it knowing 55 years is still far, 30K/year do they even know what problems and emergencies i need money for to decide that? lets not agree to this scam, it must be challenged properly in a court of law.

  • @angelamanzini3497
    @angelamanzini3497 17 днів тому +1

    7+% tax doesn't make sense.

  • @123heinie
    @123heinie 21 день тому +4

    Your first R550 000 is tax free when you retire. Vavi seems oblivious to this

    • @vthomas2482
      @vthomas2482 21 день тому +2

      Because HE Dosent understand it and refuses to listen to the people who do.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    • @aykay9328
      @aykay9328 21 день тому +2

      He is not talking about retirees but people who are constrained financially and need a little reprieve as they r overstretched to pay for things like fees, etc without making a loan but using thier own money seated in retirement

  • @innocentnzuza3749
    @innocentnzuza3749 15 днів тому +1

    Its a tax scam period.

  • @paulinapatel
    @paulinapatel 21 день тому +2

    AT least government should have give people Once off R100000 and after 7 years give provision for withdrawal but less percentage.So that people can build 4 room houses especially those who don't qualify for bond or use money to pay off debt or extend houses etc.
    So R30000 that will be taxed is not going to assist instead people will continue to sink in debt Because Government will Tax same R30000. I also think Vavi is correct by this.Who decided that R30000 will assist. Only Government will be making money.But problem Mr Vavi you speak now late..September is close.
    Big Q? Is how is it going to be changed because Reform is signed by President. Disappointing from our Government .especially for struggling people.

  • @TinaNgcobo
    @TinaNgcobo 21 день тому +2

    Yes it is scam indeed not happy with this 10 percent .it is

  • @TinaNgcobo
    @TinaNgcobo 21 день тому +2

    It is an insult 😢

  • @YEYE3019-p2w
    @YEYE3019-p2w 21 день тому +2

    (Retirement annuity) Old Mutual is only giving 10% of the premiums payed to date. Why can't they give 10% of the total money invested. E.g 10 × R100 (premium) = R1000. 10% (R100 - tax) = R75 - R80 (2 pot withdrawal)

  • @judeshgovender6729
    @judeshgovender6729 20 днів тому +2

    i agree with the gentlemen

  • @mdralo6361
    @mdralo6361 18 днів тому +1

    My Old Mutual Provident fund at 55 years last year was supposed to be around seven hundred thousand as per maturity value agreement but I ended up receiving less tha five hundred thousand with the investment of 2 thousand rands for 23 years of which maturity date was January 2023. I so much regret and will never do any investment with Old Mutual🙁

  • @louisenieuwmeijer5337
    @louisenieuwmeijer5337 21 день тому +2

    Taxing pensions to finance stealing.

  • @moanegwathwadi5994
    @moanegwathwadi5994 18 днів тому +2

    yooh this is a scam😢

  • @johannvandermerwe8571
    @johannvandermerwe8571 19 днів тому +1

    Its wrong to tax pensioners money period

  • @maxwellmichaels393
    @maxwellmichaels393 7 днів тому

    When will this campaign be because people don't actually afree with this but the indebted life and hunger is pushing them to withdraw. ANC is killing the workers 😢😢😢😢

  • @thembachrismasuku1028
    @thembachrismasuku1028 19 днів тому +1

    Daylight robbery, how do they want to tax twice, we were taxed when we earned it now y are taxing again?

  • @junechapman7751
    @junechapman7751 21 день тому +2

    One word: Disgraceful

  • @user-fn9ec9ef6u
    @user-fn9ec9ef6u 8 днів тому

    Mr Vavi please stand for us ,this system will kill South Africans because when they implement this 2pot ,they didn't about people who are loosing their jobs.

  • @user-vm4zm2qn7v
    @user-vm4zm2qn7v 21 день тому +5

    Running out of time for a program like this is bullshit. Shame on you😢😢😢

  • @CodeNameV
    @CodeNameV 10 днів тому

    At the minimum, it should have been a single much lower tax rate, bug I agree, NO tax should have been charged.

  • @roynaidoo3995
    @roynaidoo3995 20 днів тому +1

    Vavi please ask the government why tax on retirement not the Old Mutual spokeswomen

  • @siyabongamkiva6856
    @siyabongamkiva6856 21 день тому +1

    True Mr Vavi

  • @sibonisopatricnkosi2579
    @sibonisopatricnkosi2579 21 день тому +4

    Vavi is always sober he must join Mk party

  • @twentyfifty2050
    @twentyfifty2050 8 днів тому

    Stop paying monthly union fees if you are not happy about your union. All these COSATU affiliated unions are in bed with the employers. How can employers and unions meet in Johannesburg hotels for a strategy session??? Stop paying people.

  • @kumaranpoonen
    @kumaranpoonen 18 днів тому

    Thanks Mr Vavi for showing and telling the cruel truth about this Two pot system. Atleast Old Mutual is agreeing that this 30k is just not there...

  • @eugeneboonzaier9667
    @eugeneboonzaier9667 20 днів тому +1

    Solution...tax those who voted for the ANC.

  • @chloevan40
    @chloevan40 19 днів тому

    I agree, we are taxed all our life's on everything, the money we put to our pensions has already been taxed and should not be taxed again

  • @reaganvanrooyen4209
    @reaganvanrooyen4209 20 днів тому +2

    So true

  • @cashandramara2867
    @cashandramara2867 21 день тому +1

    And what rubbish is this that we as the working class don’t qualify for the old age grant? All our lives we paid tax.

    • @teem7303
      @teem7303 11 днів тому

      According to them, you have retirement saved, so don't be a burden on the state and also want an old-age grant.

  • @MokhwelepaMaake
    @MokhwelepaMaake 8 днів тому

    All COSATU members know that Vavi is talking the truth....not their sell out federation. Who will they cry to ? Cosatu leadership is captured to accept this nonsense on behalf of members. Shame.

  • @dumisanizikhali4790
    @dumisanizikhali4790 21 день тому +1

    What happened to the first 25000 tax free portion on any withdrawal this is indeed a scam by gvt

  • @BarbaraMogari-fx2jr
    @BarbaraMogari-fx2jr 20 днів тому

    Thank you Mr Vavi true

  • @Kingvicc
    @Kingvicc 20 днів тому +4

    If I work for years, put my money away, and I lose my job before I reach age 55... Should I not be able to access my money to survive?
    Furthermore, how do you tax a person's savings? 😅
    The workforce reps were definitely not consulted appropriately. There's no way this would have been agreed to. The only entity that wins from this system is government. Now they get to use your money and deny you access to it.

  • @samuelmakhetha7209
    @samuelmakhetha7209 15 днів тому

    This is basically taking the little that the poor has and put it in the hands of a lucky person out there.

  • @josephphitla1254
    @josephphitla1254 20 днів тому +1

    This not time to tlk, someone needs to put an interdict, organize a match for this