I got this kit, I mix my own salt and vinegar (just under 1/8 tsp salt and just under 1 tsp vinegar) and the solution comes out to about ph of 6 compared to 7 with the capsules. I run the solution twice to get higher ppm. Works great, save $ on getting refill capsules.
@@GoGreenPost Trial and error lol Too much salt and ph level was too high, too much vinegar and the vinegar smell is too strong and ph too low. I got some ph test strips to play around until I got the ratio that worked. From what I read online, you want HOCL between ph level between 5-7 since that's where disinfection takes place. That's when the optimal HOCL is present.
@@kinw5648 Sounds like a good experiment. For me, I prefer using the capsules. I know it would save a bit more plastic to make my own, but the since the capsules are approved by the EPA for sanitizing and disinfecting, I think it's worth it. Plus, the capsules are less expensive then most other cleaners. But its great that you found something that works for you!
@@madisonpost8340 Capsules are very convenient to use. I was able to get the measurement to get the solution I'm looking for. I have test strips to make sure I'm not making bleach. Making sure it's between 5-6 ph and 150-200'ish ppm. Each batch comes out to about 500'ish ppm so I dilute them with water to get it around 150-200 range so I get about two large bottles of disinfectant per batch.
I just recently got force of Nature and noticed it deodorize my workspace quickly in-between clients. This is great cuz I grew up cleaning with Bleach, then transition to vinegar and water when I got in my teen years. Now, the next step force of Nature.
Can this be used to spray directly on an entire room of carpet & then vacuumed? As an owner of a beloved, long haired dog, I would like to take care of all the unseen that lurks in my carpet as much as possible, but don’t want to harm him since the floor is his domain. It’s supposed to be non toxic for humans & animals, but not sure if it would be too concentrated and cause harm to family & pets by using it this way. Thanks!
Hey! Thank you for asking this. I think there is a common misconception that any plastic use automatically means a product isn’t environmentally friendly. As a whole, Force of Nature is significantly more environmentally friendly than pretty much any other cleaning product than I’ve seen. This is because the amount of plastic used is very small. In fact, a year supply of Force of Nature capsules seems to use the same amount of plastic as a single bottle of some other cleaners. Plus, since there aren’t any harsh chemicals the plastic is easier to recycle. In addition, since the capsules have very little weight to them, they create far less greenhouse gases in their manufacturing stage and in shipping. They also use much less resources to make. So yes, they do contain some plastic, but it’s a much lower impact product on the environment and human health. People often think that their is no room for any plastic and that all plastic is bad, but I think it’s possible to have some plastic use as long as we dispose of it the right way. Sorry for the long reply, as a sustainability professional, one of the most important things I try to show people is making decisions based on the best overall decision, not just what may seem bad. To answer your question, yes you could do that, however I don’t recommend it because the only reason this product is effective at cleaning and disinfecting while not being harmful to human or environmental health is because of the precise measurements they use to make the capsules. So by not using the capsules, you may use the wrong amounts of ingredients which can result in making bleach but skips on some plastic use. Using the capsules ensures a health cleaning product but uses some plastic. In my professional opinion, the capsules as a whole, given their reduction on plastic use, greenhouse gases, resource consumption, etc. are a much better option than other cleaners or risking making the cleaner incorrectly by making it yourself. Does that make sense? If not, please let me know! I’m happy to discuss further!
Does this work well for vinyl upholstery on gym equipment? I am opening a commercial gym soon and I am looking for a spray for my members to use. K know salt would dry out vinyl (bad), but it sounds like the sodium chloride is chemically changed, so in its final state, will not dry out the vinyl upholstery? Thank you for the great information!
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Can anyone explain the chemistry of this? I’ve seen a few attempts, but nothing convincing. If vinegar is in the mixture, is the gas given off carbon dioxide? Or is it still hydrogen, as it would be without the vinegar?
As I understand it: This is a hypochlorous acid generator. They're very commonly used in agriculture, industry, and medical facilities. But they're usually large, expensive machines. This is just a smaller one more suited for home use. My chemistry knowledge is not great. But I think electrolysis separates the chlorine from the salt. And the vinegar reduces the pH, to maximise the amount of hypochlorous acid, and minimise the amount of hypochlorite.
I’ve read from the company website that you shouldn’t. Maybe first use force of nature to clean and sanitize and then come back with essential oils for smell?
@@GoGreenPost Hello - I have tried 3 different 3rd party glass bottles, but the metal spring in the trigger head rusts each time. Have you had any luck with your bottle?
Yes! It’s a pretty good deodorizer. In fact, after using it for so long, regular deodorizes and air fresheners burn my throat and smell terrible. The only thing is that because it has so few ingredients, it doesn’t stay in the air as long as regular products, which use something to help the particles stay in the air longer and are probably not so safe for your health. All this really means is you might have to spray a bit more to remove bad smells.
Yes, I’ve used it on tile in the kitchen and well as carpet and finished wood floors in different parts of my home. It’s really my go to cleaning product for everything.
People have claimed that they have eaten it and others that they have used it to disinfect fruit and veggies. With that said, I’m not sure it should be used as a mouthwash, but you could always reach out to the company and ask. They are pretty responsive.
Hi Maahsa! From my understanding Ecloth products are cleaning clothes but not cleaning fluid. Is that correct? If so, it could be something that works with Force of Nature, instead of in place of Force of Nature. Have you tried Ecloth before?
Yes, it does have a faint chlorine smell. However, after using it for just a couple of weeks I mostly stopped noticing it. This is unlike practically all other cleaning products that have strong smells each time you use it. In fact, since I really only use Force of Nature now, I find that anytime I do use a different cleaning product, the smell is particularly strong. I wouldn't call the smell of Force of Nature "pleasant" or offensive, so if you like the way a certain cleaning product smells, it will have that advantage over Force of Nature. I hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any other question!
I just dont like the fact that it is still pretty expensive compared to other clean products despite of all that economy in the process and ingredients
Yes that’s true at first, but in the long run it’s the cheapest option! There’s also promo codes. I have the latest ones for December but just need to update them in the description.
I disagree! It does back a good disinfectant but my wife and I use it on most things. I do agree that there are some areas it could be better but overall I think it works great.
@@GoGreenPost it’s only good in conjunction with other cleaning methods for example it’s not a deterrent and can’t get “”crap”” and grease off of stuff but the smell or the bacteria ooooh yeah
I got this kit, I mix my own salt and vinegar (just under 1/8 tsp salt and just under 1 tsp vinegar) and the solution comes out to about ph of 6 compared to 7 with the capsules. I run the solution twice to get higher ppm. Works great, save $ on getting refill capsules.
Interesting! How did you decide on that specific ratio?
@@GoGreenPost Trial and error lol Too much salt and ph level was too high, too much vinegar and the vinegar smell is too strong and ph too low. I got some ph test strips to play around until I got the ratio that worked. From what I read online, you want HOCL between ph level between 5-7 since that's where disinfection takes place. That's when the optimal HOCL is present.
@@kinw5648 Sounds like a good experiment. For me, I prefer using the capsules. I know it would save a bit more plastic to make my own, but the since the capsules are approved by the EPA for sanitizing and disinfecting, I think it's worth it. Plus, the capsules are less expensive then most other cleaners. But its great that you found something that works for you!
You have to use the pods they have because you can accidentally make bleach
@@madisonpost8340 Capsules are very convenient to use. I was able to get the measurement to get the solution I'm looking for. I have test strips to make sure I'm not making bleach. Making sure it's between 5-6 ph and 150-200'ish ppm. Each batch comes out to about 500'ish ppm so I dilute them with water to get it around 150-200 range so I get about two large bottles of disinfectant per batch.
I just recently got force of Nature and noticed it deodorize my workspace quickly in-between clients.
This is great cuz I grew up cleaning with Bleach, then transition to vinegar and water when I got in my teen years. Now, the next step force of Nature.
I love this stuff!!! Safe and effective!!
You don’t need to waste it; if you can’t use the product within the 2 weeks, you can re-electrolyze it
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Can this be used to spray directly on an entire room of carpet & then vacuumed?
As an owner of a beloved, long haired dog, I would like to take care of all the unseen that lurks in my carpet as much as possible, but don’t want to harm him since the floor is his domain. It’s supposed to be non toxic for humans & animals, but not sure if it would be too concentrated and cause harm to family & pets by using it this way. Thanks!
Hi. Does it degrease well? Like say a kitchen/stove countertop? Thanks.
Plastic capsule containing salt and vinegar isn't environmentally friendly. Can ordinary salt and vinegar be added?
Hey! Thank you for asking this. I think there is a common misconception that any plastic use automatically means a product isn’t environmentally friendly. As a whole, Force of Nature is significantly more environmentally friendly than pretty much any other cleaning product than I’ve seen. This is because the amount of plastic used is very small. In fact, a year supply of Force of Nature capsules seems to use the same amount of plastic as a single bottle of some other cleaners. Plus, since there aren’t any harsh chemicals the plastic is easier to recycle. In addition, since the capsules have very little weight to them, they create far less greenhouse gases in their manufacturing stage and in shipping. They also use much less resources to make. So yes, they do contain some plastic, but it’s a much lower impact product on the environment and human health. People often think that their is no room for any plastic and that all plastic is bad, but I think it’s possible to have some plastic use as long as we dispose of it the right way. Sorry for the long reply, as a sustainability professional, one of the most important things I try to show people is making decisions based on the best overall decision, not just what may seem bad. To answer your question, yes you could do that, however I don’t recommend it because the only reason this product is effective at cleaning and disinfecting while not being harmful to human or environmental health is because of the precise measurements they use to make the capsules. So by not using the capsules, you may use the wrong amounts of ingredients which can result in making bleach but skips on some plastic use. Using the capsules ensures a health cleaning product but uses some plastic. In my professional opinion, the capsules as a whole, given their reduction on plastic use, greenhouse gases, resource consumption, etc. are a much better option than other cleaners or risking making the cleaner incorrectly by making it yourself. Does that make sense? If not, please let me know! I’m happy to discuss further!
@@GoGreenPost thankyou for the clarification
No problem! If you have any other questions I’d be happy to help. Or if there are any other products/topics you’d like to know more about.
This answer is 3 years late… but…. Yes. You can use your own sea salt and vinegar. The capsule thing is just for them to have a revenue stream.
Does this work well for vinyl upholstery on gym equipment? I am opening a commercial gym soon and I am looking for a spray for my members to use. K know salt would dry out vinyl (bad), but it sounds like the sodium chloride is chemically changed, so in its final state, will not dry out the vinyl upholstery? Thank you for the great information!
Em1 is pretty good too. Although entirely different than Force of Nature.
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@Clay Vicente I'm not sure what the Flix this has to do with cleaning products, but thanks for sharing!
at what ppm is hypochlorous acid able to kill spores? at what ppm is closest to sterilisation?
What do you use with this? Paper towel, microfiber cloth? I use Norwex, not sure if it would work with it.
Yes, it works with both paper towels and microfiber
Can anyone explain the chemistry of this? I’ve seen a few attempts, but nothing convincing. If vinegar is in the mixture, is the gas given off carbon dioxide? Or is it still hydrogen, as it would be without the vinegar?
As I understand it: This is a hypochlorous acid generator. They're very commonly used in agriculture, industry, and medical facilities. But they're usually large, expensive machines. This is just a smaller one more suited for home use.
My chemistry knowledge is not great. But I think electrolysis separates the chlorine from the salt. And the vinegar reduces the pH, to maximise the amount of hypochlorous acid, and minimise the amount of hypochlorite.
Mixing vinegar and any solution containing a chlorine compound (even hypochlorous) can cause chlorine off-gassing and should not be recommended.
Could I add a drop or two of essential oil? Or will that affect the effectiveness of the product?
I’ve read from the company website that you shouldn’t. Maybe first use force of nature to clean and sanitize and then come back with essential oils for smell?
Hi, you said you recommend getting a different spray bottle because the one it come with that can rust.... so what's pray bottle would you recommend?
The newer bottles from Force of Nature should be better but I just bought a glass bottle online
@@GoGreenPost Hello - I have tried 3 different 3rd party glass bottles, but the metal spring in the trigger head rusts each time. Have you had any luck with your bottle?
Yes! The new bottle has been great. I’ve had no issues with it after many months of use.
Early on the Ionization process, it smells like bleach. Is it bleach during that time?
I don’t think it’s ever bleach. What you could be smelling is the chlorine, which is also present in bleach.
Can you spray it in the air also?
Yes! It’s a pretty good deodorizer. In fact, after using it for so long, regular deodorizes and air fresheners burn my throat and smell terrible. The only thing is that because it has so few ingredients, it doesn’t stay in the air as long as regular products, which use something to help the particles stay in the air longer and are probably not so safe for your health. All this really means is you might have to spray a bit more to remove bad smells.
@@GoGreenPost is it good for floor washing too?
Yes, I’ve used it on tile in the kitchen and well as carpet and finished wood floors in different parts of my home. It’s really my go to cleaning product for everything.
Hypochlorous acid is used very diluted in eye-skin wipes to treat itchy eyelids.....I would not mix this solution as a DIY for dermal use.
I wonder if this can be used as mouthwash
People have claimed that they have eaten it and others that they have used it to disinfect fruit and veggies. With that said, I’m not sure it should be used as a mouthwash, but you could always reach out to the company and ask. They are pretty responsive.
In theory, yes. Dentists use hypochlorous acid. But I don't know if this machine would reliably produce the right concentrations.
Can you use 7 stage RO water instead of tap water?
Reverse osmosis water is recommended by Force of Nature
Is it Better than ecloth?
Hi Maahsa! From my understanding Ecloth products are cleaning clothes but not cleaning fluid. Is that correct? If so, it could be something that works with Force of Nature, instead of in place of Force of Nature. Have you tried Ecloth before?
Does it have a smell?
Yes, it does have a faint chlorine smell. However, after using it for just a couple of weeks I mostly stopped noticing it. This is unlike practically all other cleaning products that have strong smells each time you use it. In fact, since I really only use Force of Nature now, I find that anytime I do use a different cleaning product, the smell is particularly strong. I wouldn't call the smell of Force of Nature "pleasant" or offensive, so if you like the way a certain cleaning product smells, it will have that advantage over Force of Nature. I hope this helps! Please let me know if you have any other question!
I just dont like the fact that it is still pretty expensive compared to other clean products despite of all that economy in the process and ingredients
Yes that’s true at first, but in the long run it’s the cheapest option! There’s also promo codes. I have the latest ones for December but just need to update them in the description.
Sooo, no demonstration?
There are several examples of Force of Nature in use at the 5 min mark! Was there something else you were looking for?
Its not that great as a cleaner its more just a disinfectant
It works on phones n that kind of thing
I disagree! It does back a good disinfectant but my wife and I use it on most things. I do agree that there are some areas it could be better but overall I think it works great.
@@GoGreenPost it’s only good in conjunction with other cleaning methods for example it’s not a deterrent and can’t get “”crap”” and grease off of stuff but the smell or the bacteria ooooh yeah