How To AUTOMATICALLY Disconnect a Converter Charger When Using an Inverter

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  • @RVwithTito
    @RVwithTito  7 років тому +13

    Update: Here's a minor correction to my installation diagram/drawing. The contactor switch location should be on the converter charger side of the circuit breaker. I just noticed this error after publishing the video. Oops...late night drawing.

    • @kpac65
      @kpac65 6 років тому

      You recommended a Samlex 2000w pure sine wave inverter. They make 2 models, the cheaper one comes with a remote switch but the reviews say the fan is very loud. The better model (pro) cost twice as much but is much quieter and the remote switch is extra. Which one do you recommend?

    • @flyguyhelo
      @flyguyhelo 6 років тому

      just curious, what difference does it make if the contacter is before. It would cancel the power to the breaker wich is the samething as closing the breaker manuallye, before or after is the same result. What am I missing?

    • @georgefenrich4119
      @georgefenrich4119 5 років тому

      I'm not too slow, but I will have to watch this 2-3 more times to get it down... THANKS for doing this! :)

    • @sylvainbeaumont7703
      @sylvainbeaumont7703 10 місяців тому

      Do you have a new diagram ?

    • @2hotscottpro
      @2hotscottpro 6 місяців тому

      Y this was 5th grade😂 Now I bought it n don’t know what to do with it bahahha

  • @RVgeeks
    @RVgeeks 7 років тому +13

    Cannot tell you how many times we said "Brilliant" out loud while watching this. Really, really awesome project, Brian! It's videos like this that help so many RVers improve their lives, and we can't tell you how pleased we are to tell people about the quality of your channel. To answer your final question.... we were there right to the end for laughs like that final moment provided! But our favorite part was when you inhaled the helium before reading the disclaimers. ;-)

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +2

      I usually keep a little bit of helium in the garage for moments like those :) Thanks for the great support, feedback and for letting me pick your brain about your inverter/charger a while back. That definitely helped me explain how my system is different from an inverter/charger setup like yours.

    • @BROKE-N-NATIVE5789
      @BROKE-N-NATIVE5789 2 роки тому

      4*Sure~Again ...
      More Great Editing!

  • @allen9272
    @allen9272 6 років тому +21

    A great idea and very nice installation. However, there is an improvement you could make. When on inverter power you want to conserve as much power as possible. Currently your inverter energizes the contactor coil, which draws itself draws a fair amount of current (you will notice a contactor is warm when energized due to the coil producing heat). Instead, reverse the operation. Have shore power energize the contactor, which in turn would energize the converter. When not on shore power, the contactor would then open. In other words reverse what powers the contactor coil, and use the opposite NO/NC contacts that you are using now.

    • @jedibusiness789
      @jedibusiness789 5 років тому

      This is the better method, otherwise as you stated, the inverter has to power the relay thereby using battery power. Conserve your DC voltage.

    • @justinw6407
      @justinw6407 5 років тому +1

      The only problem with that setup is when you're running the generator, the converter wouldn't charge your batteries.

    • @georgetownfun3588
      @georgetownfun3588 5 років тому +6

      This is a great suggestion. What I am planning to do is use shore power to power the coil like you suggest and then use the three main contacts to disable the converter and both air conditioners so the air conditioners don't come on when the inverter is running and overload it.

    • @MinimalistFitness
      @MinimalistFitness 5 років тому

      @@georgetownfun3588 great idea!

    • @abuck2844
      @abuck2844 4 роки тому

      Shouldn't the Converter Charger work as normal in the current configuration or did you mean if wired opposite?

  • @RobertJory10
    @RobertJory10 3 роки тому +1

    One of the best videos I have seen. I didn't realize the inverter circuit breaker just disabled the charger part of the unit. So simple

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  3 роки тому

      Thanks! Glad you liked it.

  • @HomebuiltHELP
    @HomebuiltHELP 4 роки тому +4

    Hi Brian, Wonderful videos, thanks for all of these! I have a very similar setup except - I ELIMINATED that second relay by simply hooking up the charger to the Generator/Shore terminal of the transfer switch. In other words, the battery charger only works when there is generator/shore power present. It will be off at all other times (when inverter running and no shore/generator power present). Keep those vids coming!

    • @badactor3440
      @badactor3440 Рік тому

      Glad I found your comment. I recently left my converter/charger on while my inverter was on and completely drained my battery bank. I hope I didn't damage anything. Now I can rewire my transfer switch so this won't happen again.
      😊

    • @geoffmooregm
      @geoffmooregm 5 місяців тому

      Yea, I think I will do it this way because I plan to install a transfer switch soon. I am going to add 400 watts of solar, which is coltrolled by my current DC-DC charge controller with two lithium batteries, which will then power the inverter I want. But the back feed of the inverter power into the converter had me concerend. I'm glad the solution is so simple. I was originally thinking of just shutting the breaker off, but that could lead to mistakes if the wife, kids, or future owners are not aware.

  • @russquattlebaum1122
    @russquattlebaum1122 7 років тому +1

    We are still here because we don't want to miss anything☺! Thanks for sharing youda man

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Haha. Thanks for sticking around.

  • @williamhazelljr.9188
    @williamhazelljr.9188 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for this video. I did the same exact thing and it works perfect. No more worry about turning the converter on or off!

  • @dustytravels9458
    @dustytravels9458 2 роки тому

    I knew there had to be a better way than having to switch between the converter and inverter. The distribution panel in my 2021 Grand Design does not even have a separate breaker for the converter! I'm installing 800 watts of solar and a 3000watt Renogy Invertor, and was planning on having to feed the Inverter A/C into the 50 amp drop cord, from the front cargo bay (where my system will be, all the way to the rear of the camper where the 50amp connector is at. WoW ! This is like the Best Video that I've seen in all my research so far. And the amount of time and effort that you put into creating the visual aids... Thank you!

  • @haroldfitz5146
    @haroldfitz5146 5 років тому

    You would have made a great high school Shop Class teacher! Thank you for all the instructive videos!!!

  • @NOMADNEWSTV
    @NOMADNEWSTV 6 років тому +1

    Man this is exactly what I need to setup in my Camper. I need to save this video for later reference!

  • @jjpolanco2007
    @jjpolanco2007 4 роки тому +1

    Excellent the way of you explain all. For dummies. Thank you

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      Glad it was helpful! Just posted a new video on this topic today. check it out.

  • @toddswenson
    @toddswenson 7 років тому +1

    Another winner! Tito, my solution was just a bit different. I never went through the process of powering my load center directly with the inverter as you did for that exact reason. I figured I might not be the one that's turning it on and didn't want to risk a misunderstood label from that most helpful (still don't have and using masking tape) label maker. The inverter has a 2 plug GFCI. I could send 120 volt power for 2 circuits easily to the rear of the trailer near the load center. All the AC outlets for me are on 2 circuit breakers, 15 amp. I installed a Xantrex 15 amp transfer switch for each at the load center area. They're automatic like yours but the process for me switches the the load from one line to another for each, different from yours where you cut the line from a load. The ac and converter are out and the microwave and refrigerator are in, so I still need to switch the refrigerator to the gas only setting. Beyond that, I'm good to go. When I was doing the set up I really thought that I should be doing a vid but just couldn't bring myself to do it. After, I was so happy with the setup I wish I had. I offered this just because it was a different take on the same problem not because it was better so I hope you and your viewers are okay with it. Thanks for the good vids Tito.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Yeah. I looked into that Xantrex transfer switch, but determined that it wouldn't work for me and went with the contactor approach. Glad to hear that your setup is working great for you. Nice job.

  • @wmh327
    @wmh327 5 років тому +1

    You're having too much fun with this project...Love your excitement when all went well. Great tutorial and very happy for your success! Subscribed 😉

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому +1

      Thanks Brian. Glad you subscribed. It's pretty exciting when something works as planned :)

  • @ChrisDIYerOklahoma
    @ChrisDIYerOklahoma 7 років тому +2

    👍👍 Excellent video...learned a lot! The amount of work you put into this project and making this video really shows...man, you got some talent. Thanks for the shout-out too!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Thanks Chris for the feedback! Thanks again for the sticker.

  • @rogerhundley9490
    @rogerhundley9490 6 років тому +2

    Haven't thought it out completely but I think I would use the other set of contacts the NO set basically set it up backward to how you do it. With shore power connected the relay is pulled and the converter is powered. You have added the load of that contactor/relay that must be powered by the batteries when you could have it powered by the shore power which you have plenty of.

  • @MrRobertconley
    @MrRobertconley 4 роки тому +1

    This was a very good video.
    The additional thing I did was added the Airconditioning so that if it was accidentally left on when the Inverter was started it would turn it off. I all so found a better and much smaller 30 AMP connector with 2 NO or NC .
    Schindler's electric part number
    92S11A22D-120

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      Thanks for the recommendation!

  • @jepa72
    @jepa72 7 років тому +1

    Great video Brian! This really help me understand a few things that were not quite clear. When I had someone installed my solar it came with a gopower transfer switch that has been working great. Now I understand what they did on the wiring with it. Thank you again for another great educational video.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Hey there Jorge. Hope you guys are doing well.

  • @willwillis2381
    @willwillis2381 2 роки тому +1

    Great vid Brian. Just installed a 3000w inverter and worried about remembering to trip the conv. Breaker each time. Just happen to have a 30A relay and will install itvnext. Thanks so much☺

  • @klouism1
    @klouism1 7 років тому +1

    You do a wonderful job showing & explaining things. Thank you. With that said, I am probably the most ignorant person when it comes to that type of wiring. So...I would probably have to get someone to do that install.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Yeah. I realized while making the video that most folks won't do this kind of thing. But I figured it might still be interesting for most. It was actually a hard thing to explain without knowing who's watching. I'm glad you got something out of it. Thanks for the feedback.

  • @heroesandzeros7802
    @heroesandzeros7802 4 місяці тому

    I use the 100W 12V flexible PV panels, much cheaper.
    I store them in the basement and only use them when not on shore power.
    I installed an external cable gland with MC4 connectors. Works great.
    I hardly use the 120VAC from the inverter, but the charge controller keeps the batteries topped off nicely.
    Since you have extra contacts on your contactor, you could use one of the contacts to turn off battery power to the inverter when on shore power.
    You can even use another relay to switch to a redundant backup inverter if the first one craps out.
    I would use a 3000W inverter because they are only good for half-load when used long term.

  • @wheninrome42
    @wheninrome42 6 років тому +1

    cool setup bud! currently have the same shorepower/inveterter setup and worried about the wife forgetting to throw the breaker, thanks for the vid!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  6 років тому

      Hey no problem. Glad to help.

  • @thomasdupont1931
    @thomasdupont1931 5 місяців тому

    I am a HVAC technician. We always use the normally Close side to power, a blower in heating mode. We use the inactive state of a relay to close critical circuits when the heating element is energize. The blower and the heating element needs to be energized at the same time to prevent a fire. We use the inactive side of the relay to ensure that the blower is energize during heating mode. you would use the inactive side of the relay normally open when the inverter is operating this would deactivate the charger without using battery power. You would close the relay using generator or shore power because you have unlimited power.

  • @redwards2006
    @redwards2006 6 років тому +1

    Those wire connectors are awesome, thanks for sharing.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  6 років тому

      +Robert Edwards Agreed. I'll never go back.

  • @Endless_Skyway_Adventures
    @Endless_Skyway_Adventures 7 років тому +1

    My chosen setup is much like yours but my converter will never create a loop because I will be using a separate battery bank, solar panel and charge controller for DC loads. (430Ah for Inverter and 224Ah for DC). So in my case the first battery bank and inverter powers the AC to the coach and the converter which would then normally charge the second battery bank. I don't want the converter charging the second battery bank (it has it own solar) and I still want to shut off the converter to avoid inefficiency even though it can never loop back. This is a great visual representation of the rough idea in my head as to how I thought I could shut the converter off and you saved me a lot of planning. Thanks for the timely video and detailed process, this is the path I will take.

  • @CoRePillbox
    @CoRePillbox 3 роки тому +1

    Great video and project. I wanted to this exact thing and now have a good example! Thank you for sharing!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  3 роки тому

      Your very welcome. I also did a video on a transfer switch replacement that makes this a bit easier. That's what I'm using now.

  • @manuelsarria1377
    @manuelsarria1377 6 років тому +2

    Great videos Tito, now I think I can do this been researching how to for a while now... motivated now!!! Thanks for your videos.....

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  6 років тому +1

      Awesome. Good luck. I had been thinking about it for quite a while before taking it on. It's been working flawlessly by the way.

  • @OutsideIsCalling
    @OutsideIsCalling 7 років тому +1

    Great video! We've been slowly learning about all the systems these RV's have, but the electrical system and how each part works together has remained a mystery. We have a sizable solar array to install later this summer (if we can find enough roof space) but knowing how the inverter and battery charger will play together is critical. Thanks for shedding some light!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Glad to be the source of a little light.

  • @darrylt5300
    @darrylt5300 7 років тому +5

    My 3000 watt inverter is setup with a automatic switch also and works great when I forget to turn off the invert when I plug in

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Cool. That's pretty handy.

  • @idonthavetosay8676
    @idonthavetosay8676 6 років тому

    Awesome!!! That was the last piece to my upgrade plans! Thanks Brian!

  • @r8edrv4fun65
    @r8edrv4fun65 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the info. I'll have to think about this for a while. My bookmobile had a massive generator, 50 amp shore power and a leak from the emergency hatch over the power panel and manual transfer switch. Replaced the panel and breakers, now looking for a switch solution and something to add solar later.

  • @MinimalistFitness
    @MinimalistFitness 5 років тому

    I've been looking everywhere for how to do this! Thank you!

  • @Josh-on9ey
    @Josh-on9ey 5 місяців тому +1

    I love the video and have watched it several times but can't seem to get the specific details I'm looking for. How did you wire each post of the relay? Inputs? Outputs? I would love to make this upgrade happen soon but not until I am comfortable with my understanding of it.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 місяців тому

      Here's more info and other options that may help: www.rvwithtito.com/articles/how-to-bypass-converter-charger-automatically

  • @georgemoomaw9437
    @georgemoomaw9437 7 років тому

    I must admit, your way looks more fun. Keep up the great videos. Thank you.

  • @wp11302000
    @wp11302000 5 років тому

    We just got a Motorhome and this is something I'd like to do. The relay confuses me some but I like the idea of not having to remember to flip breakers and unplug cords.

  • @Count_Smackula
    @Count_Smackula 7 років тому +1

    "...especially if you don't know what you're doing." Hahahahahaaa! Like that's ever stopped 'em before.
    Great video & a great way to prevent a "D'Oh!" event.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +1

      Gotta point out the obvious some times to protect us from ourselves and the scrutiny of our spouse :)

  • @andym3461
    @andym3461 Рік тому

    Hey Tito, I added a 3000w inverter to my 5thwheel. It has a 30 amp plug on it. I plug my rv 30 amp service cord into the inverter. I have a kill switch for my battery bank so when I turn the switch off the juice does not go into the battery bank from the inverter supplying power throughout the 5thwheel. The inverter is direct wired only to the battery bank. So I can by- pass charging the battery bank through inverter. I use solar for my charging source. I dont us a generator but your system is a great idea. thks for sharing

  • @davidwilliamson929
    @davidwilliamson929 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks so much. How do 12 volt DC modules work when CONVERTER is turned off and INVERTER is connected to main power inlet to power the entire coach? This is my main concern in setting up such a system. You are the best help I have found and I greatly appreciate your UA-cam channel.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      Your battery bank powers your 12V equipment with the converter off. Both the converter and batteries are wired to your DC panel. When the converter is on it provides DC power and charges the batteries. When off then DC current flows from the batteries instead.

    • @davidwilliamson929
      @davidwilliamson929 4 роки тому

      @@RVwithTito Deeply appreciate your response. One other detail where my system differs from yours. My panel does NOT have a breaker for the converter/charger so there is no way to turn it off manually. Also more difficult to locate the wire to go into the switch. If I can identify the wire going OUT to the batteries from the converter/charger can I install either a manual switch or the switch which you have used? I think I can, but looking for a bit of assurance.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      You'll want to put a switch on the wire between the breaker (whichever one) and converter/charger and not to the batteries.

    • @davidwilliamson929
      @davidwilliamson929 4 роки тому

      @@RVwithTito Thank you for your patience with an old man trying to learn new tricks. My panel does NOT have a breaker for the converter/charger. I just talked with a service tech at the manufacturer and he confirmed that there is NO breaker for the converter/charger. So, just to be sure, where could I install a switch to turn off the converter/charger. I am assuming that there has to be a wire coming out of the panel (even though there is no breaker) leading to the batteries. Would it be that wire coming OUT of the panel leading to the batteries? I am getting closer to solving this riddle or giving up altogether.

    • @davidwilliamson929
      @davidwilliamson929 4 роки тому

      I should have said "leading to the converter then to the batteries" not just "leading to the batteries".

  • @benningtoncamper2852
    @benningtoncamper2852 7 років тому +1

    Great project! I have a few ideas for you -
    1) the extension cords you used are not 'shielded', just jacketed. Shielding is done with a metallic liner, either foil or braided.
    2) 16 gauge wire should never be protected with a 15A breaker. It is only good for 8A continuous and should be on a 10A breaker. Remember the breaker is only there to prevent the wire from catching on fire.
    3) Hopefully you powered the coil of the contactor with AC from shore or generator. If you used the inverter generated AC, it is another continuous load on your batteries that could be eliminated.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +1

      Thanks for the feedback. You're right...cords are jacketed, not shielded. Also, the 16 gauge wire is not connected to the 15A breaker. Those cords are only used to trigger the switch and provide a tiny bit of AC power back to the indicator LED light. Only the converter power circuit (wired with romex) goes through the breaker. Finally, the contactor is powered by the inverter AC. The whole point of this mod is to have the inverter switch off the converter when NOT on generator or shore power. I'll have to measure exactly what the load is, if any on my batteries. I have a battery monitor that tracks amps drawn from the batteries. My inverter draws roughly 2 amps @ 12v with nothing else running. I haven't noticed any additional draw now that it's switching the contactor as well. I'll keep an eye on it though. Thanks.

    • @jeremyspecce
      @jeremyspecce 6 років тому

      I was also wondering about whether the contactor draws power and if so, how much. I'd be interested in if you have any updates now that it's been about a year.

  • @magprob
    @magprob 6 років тому

    Amazing information for a novice like me that is preparing to bite off a chunk that may be bigger than he can swallow. Small chunks...small chunks...

  • @JamieLouther
    @JamieLouther 7 років тому +1

    Very good video. I have a much better understanding of the roles the inverter and converter play.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Great to hear. Thanks for the feedback!

  • @StrawberryGarcia
    @StrawberryGarcia 6 років тому +1

    Thanks Brian, I have a 25 foot airstream that as a additional 30 amp shore power hook up on the front and I am really interested in the ienergy Kodiak solar generator it also has a 30 amp RV receptacle so I can connect a Dog bone to it. I like your stop switch to the converter, I saw one with 2 stop switches that it could also shut the Air conditioning off at the breaker, thanks again for all your help

  • @616Drones
    @616Drones 5 років тому +1

    Well done Brian and thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @jasonsneed3179
    @jasonsneed3179 3 роки тому

    If you start your generator and don’t turn off your inverter then your batteries will not charge is this correct? Thanks for the great video

  • @danielt4730
    @danielt4730 3 роки тому

    That's a nice little gadget! Personally I'm about to install a 2 position on-on toggle switch to flip between shore and inverter power. In my option a simpler/cheaper solution. Only difference is it won't turn my inverter on right away, but I don't mind since I don't want it running all the time anyway.

    • @PawlSpring
      @PawlSpring 3 роки тому

      That's fine if you don't have a charger in the picture

  • @searey29
    @searey29 7 років тому +2

    Great Info, Love your videos.

  • @georgemoomaw9437
    @georgemoomaw9437 7 років тому +2

    Great video. But I must be missing something. Why wouldn't a simple double pole - double throw switch accomplish the same results?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Looks like yes, they could achieve the same result.

  • @jayreinig637
    @jayreinig637 5 років тому +1

    Tito. I liked what you did but don't have the skills to do it. I am not real savey but wanted to run an option by you. I don't think I have a switch on my power supply box in the camper that I can use to turn off the converter. I am assuming that I have a wire coming into the batteries from the converter and I also assume I have a wire going from the batteries to the power supply box that includes the converter. Can I install a cutoff switch on the wire from the converter to the battery to stop the "looping' from happening? I figure if I put that converter cutoff switch by the inverter switch and both switches are in the same place by the batteries I will remember to turn off the converter when I turn on the inverter. Not elegant but I think it should work. What do you think?

  • @cliffodell8593
    @cliffodell8593 3 роки тому

    Brian
    Since you have a Genset and shore power, you probably have a transfer switch to direct them,
    If so, just add a 2nd xfer sw.. (Google "Lyght")
    !st switch is Gen/Shore, 2nd sw is GenShore/Inverter.
    Power the Inverter input with the output of 1st switch (move lead from Conv breaker to output of 1st xfer sw)
    Voila, no power to Conv when on Inverter. (Unless you are running Gen or Shore also which is ok to power Converter in that case.)

    • @cliffodell8593
      @cliffodell8593 3 роки тому

      AND you no longer need to patch the Inverter Output into the Shore line Plug.
      Automatic transfer to inverter AND kill power to Charger... woohoo

  • @voyagerman22
    @voyagerman22 3 місяці тому

    Another great video, thanks.

  • @tmo7984
    @tmo7984 Рік тому +1

    Love it! Quick question. Do you have 2 sets of wires coming off you inverter now? One set that heads to the transfer switch as normal. Then the other set heading to the relay switch? Essentially making the relay switch just a fancy automatic on off switch?
    My apologies if this is a dumb questions. Still wrapping my head around all this fun stuff. thanks!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  Рік тому +1

      Theres just one AC output from the inverter to transfer switch. The relay I installed before was removed. Here's a video that may help. ua-cam.com/video/iASOOzUCRto/v-deo.html

    • @tmo7984
      @tmo7984 Рік тому

      @@RVwithTito thanks! I don’t think I worded my quark on properly.
      On the inverter terminal, do you have 2 sets up wires? One set wires to the battery and the other set to the relay switch?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  Рік тому

      @@tmo7984 Yes. DC power in from battery, and AC power out to the transfer switch.

  • @KyleCoaching
    @KyleCoaching 4 роки тому

    Brain, again, another awesome video. Until I watched this one it would have never dawned on me that I am doing it all wrong :-) I have a Thor Siesta and when I purchased it I had the dealer install a Xantrek Pro Inverter. They never said anything about throwing the converter switch when running the inverter. I am assuming that I should probably do this mod. Thanks again

  • @AlcoholFreeRV
    @AlcoholFreeRV 4 роки тому +1

    Nice job! Need to do something like this for our setup!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      I've got a new transfer switch from GoPower that essentially does the same thing. I'll be installing that soon (have had it for months). Look for the video. Until then you can check it out here: amzn.to/2L8VddJ

  • @gwhittaker
    @gwhittaker 3 роки тому +1

    Hey Brian, I really appreciate your hard work shown in these videos. YOU are my go to guy! I watched this a few years ago and now again because I'm facing the very same issue with our new (to us) 32ft Class c and the installation of our new Xantrex 3000 watt inverter. I was wondering though, can't I simply remove the converter from the the coach breaker box and connect it through a separate small breaker box to the output of the existing transfer switch? This way it would only be powered when either shore power or the generator was on.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  3 роки тому

      Ha! Found the comment :) Hope you got my email. Cheers.

    • @badactor3440
      @badactor3440 Рік тому

      I need to do this. Could you please explain how you did it?

  • @BROKE-N-NATIVE5789
    @BROKE-N-NATIVE5789 2 роки тому

    FaN*TaSTiC!
    💖 All your VideoS!
    Most I watched on this subject left me still confused of differences ...
    Thanks 4 the Clarity🖒
    ✌🙏4
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  • @EmanM45
    @EmanM45 2 роки тому

    I installed a setup based on your idea. It is installed in my travel trailer. It works very well except when I run my microwave. I have 4 Battle Born batteries in parallel, a 3500 watt max/9000 watt surge inverter with a remote start button. I am using 1/0 wire with a maximum length of 16 inches of one section of wire. I have a 150 amp push button breaker and 200 amp fuse. The microwave uses approximately 125-128 amps(at dc side, of course). The transfer switch transfers BACK to shore power after 50 seconds or so , therefore interrupting the ac power when I run the microwave. My air conditioner runs about 60ish amps and no problem there with transfer switch.The voltage of the batteries never drops below 13.0 volts and the voltage coming into the transfer switch is 119-120 volt ac from the inverter so I am not getting excessive voltage drop. I am stumped. I want to have some use of my microwave:(

  • @FMTFXE22
    @FMTFXE22 6 років тому

    Hello, Great videos, I watch you every day for all you not only suggest, but also for where you go on your RV trips. All fantastic. I plan on using a Inverter/Smart Converter by Go Power and eliminate the converter that came with my RV. What would be the suggested wiring sequence to use a power transfer switch where Shore Power when plugged in is the first source used by the RV. Generator when running is the second used and Solar Inverter is the third source of AC power. Are there transfer switched available pre wired for this type of setup?

  • @cwsmith7366
    @cwsmith7366 5 років тому +1

    Hey Tito........Instead of running from the inverter to the RV's 30A shorepower plug, would there be any problem with running it instead from one outlet of the inverter to the main AC bus in the AC breaker side of my converter/charger panel, and then use the second AC outlet of my inverter to wire up the contactor as you show here? (my 30A shorepower plug is on the other side of my RV from my batteries and the space I can use to mount the inverter). Also, I suspect that I will need to use 10ga wire to run from the inverter to the buss (about 8'). Would that be correct?

  • @koslund11
    @koslund11 7 років тому +1

    This video will come in handy in the near future. Thanks for sharing. How long did it take to clean up the shop for your video? Wish mine was that clean.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Glad it helped. Shop took 8 minutes to clean up :)

    • @larryholcomb6262
      @larryholcomb6262 7 років тому

      I live in a campground I am getting trouble with someone answering me I have plenty of a.c. why can't I eliminate the converter and go battery on my dc side with solar chargers

  • @waltersavonian7551
    @waltersavonian7551 Рік тому

    Hello I had the same exact problem and I found the least expensive and most reliable solution was to remove the AC feed for the converter/charger from the AC distribution panel and wire it directly to the hot AC wire coming from the remote or external AC source at the transfer switch. I added an inline 15amp fuse into the Converter/charger AC feed wire to act inplace of the 15amp breaker I disconnected it from. No extra relays are required.

    • @badactor3440
      @badactor3440 Рік тому

      Thanks for this. I recently left my converter/charger on while the inverter was running and drained my battery bank. Thanks again for explaining what I need to do.
      Is a 15A fuse really necessary?

    • @KT-ei4sh
      @KT-ei4sh 5 місяців тому

      This would not work the same as Tito was using the shore power connection to energize the whole RV. Your solution would work as long as you are wiring the panel to your inverter directly.

  • @joshhaas2410
    @joshhaas2410 3 роки тому

    Great video. As always, well taught and with great quality all around. Couple questions for ya. It's a bit hard to see but is it safe to assume you took the hot as well as the neutral and ground from the converter to wire inline with this contactor? Also, are A1 and A2 interchangeable? I noticed the neutral from the converter was in A2 in your shop test but it appears to be the hot from the generator in A2 in your RV. It also looks like the neutral from the generator plug is in A1 in your RV. Thanks again for a great video.

  • @bobcole3852
    @bobcole3852 3 роки тому

    Great idea! Good clear video too. Still working fine, I assume.
    How do you like your Samlex inverter? What size do you have and how is phantom power draw?? Need one for little Micro Minnie winnie.

  • @ManWander
    @ManWander 7 років тому +1

    cool idea - super execution!

  • @sikes185
    @sikes185 6 років тому +1

    THANK YOU!!!!!! after seeing your video the light bulb came on. I have been planning this same type inverter setup for close to a month. My problem is that my generator is not big enough to run a hair dryer. I will be installing a xantrax sw2000 inverter which can run the hair dryer. I love the idea of the transfer/relay switch idea. it takes the problem of switching my converter off.question for you. have you ever tried running or ever heard of anyone using a 12volt generator through a solar charge controller to charge their battery bank?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  6 років тому

      +Glenn Sikes Glad you found this helpful glen. If your using a generator, you'll want to connect it to a battery charger and not through the solar charge controller. That's a farely common practice as a backup to solar. Some portable gerators have a battery charger mode. Good luck.

  • @iangates
    @iangates 7 років тому +1

    Such a good idea. Thanks!

  • @rawbdiggity
    @rawbdiggity 5 років тому

    Exactly what I was looking for thank you.

  • @oscarquiroz606
    @oscarquiroz606 23 дні тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  23 дні тому

      Thanks for the support 😊

  • @MYCHANNELWITHMYSTUFF
    @MYCHANNELWITHMYSTUFF 3 роки тому +1

    Brian, couldn't you just disconnect the converter from the distribution panel and wire it to the transfer switch on the shore power side? would this take the converter out of the loop when using the Inverter?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  3 роки тому

      Yes. That's basically what I'm doing now with a different transfer switch. Check out this more recent video: ua-cam.com/video/iASOOzUCRto/v-deo.html

    • @michaelgalaxy
      @michaelgalaxy 2 роки тому

      @@RVwithTito This is my question too, but I think Dan's question is a little more specific. Why is a more sophisticated transfer switch (with charger output) even required in the first place. If you do what Dan said, the power convereter would only receive power if shore power (or generator power) was available without any additional components.

  • @sylvainbeaumont7703
    @sylvainbeaumont7703 10 місяців тому

    Hi M Tito. Dou you have a new plan with a good place to put a a switch. Excuse me for my english, i speak french. Thank you !

  • @flyguyhelo
    @flyguyhelo 6 років тому

    Hi, just wanted to let you know that I did the same install for my travel trailer based on your video. I have not received the inverter yet (on the way) but I did install the wiring to the inverter and the relay as per your video. My inverter will be hard wired. So to simulate power from that end I plugged that wire to a plug from my house and to simulate power from the other side I plug the house line to the shore power plug. I have a manual transfer switch right under my converter box so I can chose shore or inverter. The system works great except for one curious detail... when the switch is in shore position I have normal power and the converter is powered. I confirm this by putting a voltmeter on my battery and see the 13;5 volts. Power off, voltage back to 12.7. Now I put the switch to the inverter side and when I check the battery I still have only 12.7 meaning the converter did not kick in. Another obvious sign is that I can hear the converter fan cycle when it is first powered up. However I never physically hear the relay kick on and off, even if I have my hand on it I cannot feel the relay kick on or off. The whole thing works perfectly except for the strange fact that the relay is completely silent. In your video it has an obvious click to it. Any thoughts?

  • @davejayne3343
    @davejayne3343 6 років тому +1

    Great video Brian! I do have a question for you though, I have the exact same setup in my trailer as you do with my shoreline plugged into the inverter and having to switch off the converter at the breaker. My question is that when I do this and turn on the inverter I am getting a humming/buzzing noise coming from the converter. Have you experienced this with your setup? Thanks

    • @jeremyspecce
      @jeremyspecce 6 років тому

      Are you getting the buzzing with the breaker for the converter OFF?

    • @davejayne3343
      @davejayne3343 6 років тому

      yes

  • @onlythebestsound
    @onlythebestsound 5 років тому +1

    Brian: so here's the question I have...if you turn off the charger converter, and you run directly off your inverter, what powers the 12volt things in the rig like the lights, and other such appliances?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому +1

      House batteries are also connected directly to the DC panel to power those things.

    • @onlythebestsound
      @onlythebestsound 5 років тому

      @@RVwithTito ah, that makes sense now. Thanks for the reply. Hope to see you out here in northwest boondocking.

  • @scottleggejr
    @scottleggejr 4 роки тому

    You can use the contactor as an ATS and kill the converter/charger. Shore power applies to A1 (hot) and A2 (neutral) as well as 13 (jumper) to activate coil. Pin 14 goes to house hot. Inverter power hot goes to pin 21 and pin 22 goes to house power. I used the L1 downstream of the circuit breaker and T1 feeding the DC converter. Hope this helps someone else!
    My contactor has this buzz sound which only buzzes when connected to shore power. The inverter being on NC means it's default, but switches off (open) when shore power is applied closing the gates, as well as flipping inverter source off and closing NO, as well as T1, T2, and T3 closing gaps to L1, L2, L3 respectively. I might add the water heater to T2/L2 so it doesn't run off inverter too.

  • @amsoil53
    @amsoil53 5 років тому +1

    Tito, great video. I saw on your drawing a xfer switch between your inverter and generator input. Did you install that or did it come with the trailer?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому

      The transfer switch came with the RV to switch between shore and generator AC power.

  • @justinw6407
    @justinw6407 5 років тому

    Really like this idea but I'm a little confused on your wiring. Do you have a wiring diagram for that contactor switch?

  • @cliffdowning2946
    @cliffdowning2946 6 років тому +3

    The whole thing could have been a little simpler by using a combo inverter/charger and do away with the converter altogether. When plugged into shore power, the unit goes into charging mode. When shore power removed, it goes into inverting mode. I have been using these combo units for many years. Why try and reinvent the wheel? All the work has been done already and in contained in one box. Unlike many converter chargers, dedicated inverter/charger units have mult phase charging algorithms that do a much better job at charging batteries.

    • @chuck5761
      @chuck5761 6 років тому +1

      Well, there is the downside that a combined inverter/charger is a lot more expensive and bulkier than a pure inverter, especially when you've already got a perfectly fine charger that came with the rig. In my case, I don't have the space under the fridge for a combined unit to fit in where the charger is today. And my charger does have a multi-phase charging, although with my lithium batteries I've disabled that for a fixed 14.4v output.
      I'll mention that I wired my ATS completely different, so that generator and short power has priority, and cuts out the inverter.

  • @almostrvperfect6203
    @almostrvperfect6203 5 років тому

    Hi … at the moment, I’m not exactly sure how to ask this question. I’m in research mode for a van build. I will have solar on the roof, connected through a (input) solar charge controller that is supplies power (output) to the battery bank with a fuse box (output) to the rest of my DC appliances. To power a coffee maker or similar A/C household appliance, I will have an inverter (input) connected to the same battery bank. From the inverter’s A/C outlet (output) I will have a power strip to extend connections for two or three household A/C receptacles. The question: to include shore power into the mix, to charge the battery bank and take over the powering of the A/C receptacles am I looking for a smart converter/inverter that can switch automatically when plugged into shore power or am I looking for a manual method that bypasses the inverter?

  • @Kravch96
    @Kravch96 6 місяців тому

    Can this be accomplished by simply having a multi-throw transfer switch?

  • @dand8214
    @dand8214 5 років тому +1

    hi brian,great video,will this setup work with 50 amp shore power as well?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому +1

      Yeah it should. You're converter/charger still runs on 120VAC and will be on one of two 120V legs of your 50 amp service.

  • @l.j.b.6970
    @l.j.b.6970 7 років тому

    Hey I am studying and trying to learn about solar and batteries

  • @stephenschweitzer3194
    @stephenschweitzer3194 2 роки тому

    Will I need to use this or similar circuit to disconnect a Renogy DC-DC battery charger when I light off my Oman generator? RV a Fleetwood Southwind.

  • @freethehamster6737
    @freethehamster6737 6 років тому

    Great project and very informative. With the Inverter commanding the converter/charger off (to eliminate the charging loop) would all your 12 volt appliances then not be operational while using the inverter?

    • @briannystrom4767
      @briannystrom4767 4 місяці тому

      When the converter is not powered, you get your 12v power from the batteries.

  • @WillowLakesRV
    @WillowLakesRV 4 роки тому

    Great video and project (as always). So a slight twist... I have an inverter charger with transfer switch. So I am wiring the output to the PD panel input to run everything. But, this implies I would have my inverter charger and converter charger both running when on short power. If my logic is right this shouldn't make a difference but thought I would get your expert opinion. Do you think that would be an issue?

    • @PawlSpring
      @PawlSpring 3 роки тому

      That's the loop to avoid. The inverter is running which powers the charger which charges the batteries which feeds the inverter which... etc

  • @sylvainbeaumont7703
    @sylvainbeaumont7703 10 місяців тому

    Another question. If i turn off my converter, the lights and fan not working ?

  • @joehaney1002
    @joehaney1002 4 роки тому

    When you manually disconnect the converter or install this auto switch, don't you still lose the ac to your outlets even when you plug your rv into the inverter? I plugged my RV into the house power or shore power and when i hit the breaker for the converter to shut off so does my outlets and microwave. Please advise me. Your video was awesome but as most it never shows how the RV is still operating normal besides the 12 volt side. Thank you in advance

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  4 роки тому

      Not every RV is wired the same. You're converter is probably wired in differently than mine.

  • @sailgpc
    @sailgpc 5 років тому

    Hi Tito, This has been a question in my mind how I could achieve what you are doing to switch of the converter automatically when I power up the Inverter, I ordered and have received the relay disconnect and the box, but could you make a little line schematic so I can be sure of getting it right, I would really appreciate it. Thanks Gene C.

  • @knarfster
    @knarfster 2 роки тому +1

    When you turn off the converter/charger do you lose power to the 12v lights and other 12v things?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  2 роки тому

      The batteries continue to provide 12v DC to the panel.

  • @randyburnet5524
    @randyburnet5524 7 років тому +1

    Are you sure that the auxiliary NC contact you are using is rated for the 15A+ you might pass through it before the breaker trips? The main NO contacts are 30A, but usually the auxiliaries are rated much lower as they are for control monitoring, not power isolation.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +1

      Ha. Made me look. Yes. I'm good. 30A on the top contacts, and 50A on the bottom ones. I still have to box it came it. There are certainly ones not rated as high though.

    • @randyburnet5524
      @randyburnet5524 7 років тому

      Good news, then. The amazon page did not list the auxiliary contact rating anywhere I could find. I am enjoying your channel and your common-sense approach to rv additions as I am outfitting my new fifth wheel in anticipation of retirement in a couple of years. Keep up the great work!

  • @hermes6587
    @hermes6587 7 років тому +1

    Another nice video. How is your 2000W Samlex performing for you?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Still works good. I really rely on it. With my new battery bank, I've been able to load it up with microwave and blow dryer and it's handled it just fine.

  • @locopixel463
    @locopixel463 7 років тому +4

    Nice vid! What are those little wire connectors you use? They look very easy to use.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +2

      They are Wago lever connectors and they are awesome. I have a link to them in the description.

    • @brichusi
      @brichusi 7 років тому +1

      I LOVE those connectors. I created a entire wiring harness in minutes using these instead of solding. 😉

  • @redroofretriever
    @redroofretriever 7 років тому +1

    Besides those clip on connectors, what are he weakest elements in this set up? I ask for future diagnostic - troubleshooting, should there be a need to.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому

      Will do. Those clip on Wago connectors are pretty solid. I love those. Neverhteless, I did wrap them in electrical tape before buttoning things up. I'll keep you posted.

    • @jeremyspecce
      @jeremyspecce 6 років тому

      I actually used a bunch of those installing hihats in my kitchen (in a house, not an RV) and I actually was a little concerned when i had an occasional flash because, compared to twisting the wires together and nutting them, that little point of contact is a pretty high resistance point, I would think. I mean, obviously they are UL rated and everything so i'm sure it's fine, it just made me think.

  • @cardp17
    @cardp17 4 роки тому

    a little confused. If i have a charger that's only attached to batteries (ie, it's not connected to an AC panel), I can still run the converter which would be charging the batteries while I'm using the inverter (connected to my batteriers) to power 110v plugs. Is that correct? Thanks for the great videos!

  • @retiredletsgosomewhere8743
    @retiredletsgosomewhere8743 5 років тому +1

    Hello, I installed this on my RV and it is working perfectly. I noticed a comment about switching the wires around so the AC will power the switch. My concern is when I start the generator or plug into shore power will it affect the transfer switch. Sounds like a good idea. Have you tried to switch the wires. God Bless...

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому

      Glad to hear it's working for you. Havent tried switching it. Working good now for me. I plug my shore power cord into my inverter so there's no way to also be on both.

    • @retiredletsgosomewhere8743
      @retiredletsgosomewhere8743 5 років тому +1

      I was wondering when you plug into your inverter like me if I want to start the generator the transfer switch automatically switches to the generator and shuts off the inverter / shore power. Does yours work that way?

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  5 років тому

      Yes. Mine works the same. The transfer switch toggles between generator and shore power. The automatic relay for the converter stays disconnected as long as the inverter is running. So to have the generator and converter running at the same time, I would simply turn off the inverter. This never really occurs in my situation though since I almost never use my generator anymore. I'm either on shore power or inverter. In both cases, I'm providing power through my shore power cord. So the RV always thinks it's on shore power.

    • @retiredletsgosomewhere8743
      @retiredletsgosomewhere8743 5 років тому +1

      Thank you by the way I am enjoying the videos, God Bless...

  • @josevaldez918
    @josevaldez918 3 роки тому

    Just a thought, I don’t think it’s a good idea to run your generator and your inverter at the same time, how do you. Keep the generator from crossing into the inverter output power

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  3 роки тому

      Automatic transfer switch handles it.

  • @michaelgalaxy
    @michaelgalaxy 2 роки тому

    Hey there, question for you. I know this is an older video, but at the time of doing this, your diagram shows that you already had a transfer switch. Couldn't you have just removed the power converter's A/C input entirely from the circuit panel and connected it directly to the shore-power-input-side (or generator side) of the transfer switch permanently and branched off right there? That way, the power converter would only come on *before* the transfer switch is involved and you would never have had to fiddle with the circuit panel breaker at all that fed A/C to the power converter (as it would have been removed). Am I missing something?

  • @jonmernick780
    @jonmernick780 5 років тому

    Im planning to put up 1300 w of solar, 150 a mppt charger, 3000 w inverter and 3 battleborn batteries, and use it like a generator and plug in my shorepower into it. During sun hours everything in the rv will be powered and however long the batteries will go.

  • @rickyroten2410
    @rickyroten2410 5 місяців тому

    So simply saying when I hook up my generator/inverter to my rv I need to turn off my converter?

  • @Hm-bz4ps
    @Hm-bz4ps 2 роки тому

    How has it held up?

  • @leabag3362
    @leabag3362 7 років тому

    Hello Dears. Why you don`t use a Victron Energy Multiplus or a ClaytonPower Combi? There is all inside what you need. Inverter, Charger, Switch and also a Ground Relais for the RCD. So i think this is more easy and cheaper? You also can use a Quattro of Victorn Energy. In this you also can connect a Generator and a Grid together. There is all inside.

    • @RVwithTito
      @RVwithTito  7 років тому +2

      Perhaps that's something to consider in the future. This fix was < $50.

  • @raybbj
    @raybbj 7 років тому +1

    Well done !

  • @kristophersullivan543
    @kristophersullivan543 3 роки тому

    Ao how would i do this well not even concerned about automatic switch but trying to wire my inverter to my motorhome that has a wfco 8955 fuse panel with 3 stage converter.