@@puppydestroyah Dishonest how? At 47:49 gut literally says that he “genuinely hopes” that smokeys kid comes out with a disability.
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@@Motelmotel666 I may not agree with his literal words, but the sentiment behind it was to develop a sense of empathy towards those regarded as lolcows, cos they all have some kind of poorly-managed or unmanaged mental health issues. While I agree that Papa Gut isn't operating from the full info on Danderson, he's mentioned before that his wife works in the mental health field, and he's learned from her a lot of info that many of the lolcow commentators simply lack. Yeah, Danderson's a worse person than PG believes, but his mental illness is also a lot more intricate than SMcC is treating it.
Smokey said it best during the earlier* part of yesterday’s “2 High 4 Stupid” stream. He brought up some things about Papa Gut’s nuance that I think I would butcher, and I don’t want to put words in his mouth. I will try and find the timestamp on the VOD reuploaded to Kiwi Tapes Archives so you can judge for yourselves. (46mins 22 seconds mark)
Larson is indeed a predator. The fact that Papa Gut cannot figure that out, and opens his mouth before looking at all the stuff out there about him is concerning. (EDIT: Also referenced @ 51:00 on that VOD about Daniel’s disgusting pinterest. It’s not hard to find. He previously defended it too if I remember so it is 99% likely it IS Larson, not a troll)
The dude in the video said “I’m not gonna sit here and act like trolls are the biggest problem” so clearly he has no clue wtf he’s talking about. His whole video was a shit show of bad takes
I just don’t understand people that judge Daniel’s actions as if he is of sound mind or something. Like you said, he clearly has high assistance autism and high assistance mental illness, but still people are like “why would he do this?? Why does he believe the trolls?? Why doesn’t he just stop???” Like.. why tf do you think?
@@demonofjapan there are plenty of ppl who r severely mentally ill and on the streets there are plenty of ppl who should be institutionalized but aren’t, what is ur point?
@@demonofjapanA lot of those homes cost a lot of money, and the ones that don’t often have several year long waiting lists. Why do you think we have hundreds of thousands mentally I’ll homeless here?
I usually dont comment on videos, but what you said at the end about wishing these people had someone they love having a significant mental impairment so they can understand how unfunny it is really hit close to home with me. My brother went through psychosis when he was 16 and he acted a lot like i see these lolcows acting. It is heartbreaking. I can understand that from the perspective of someone who is uninformed, that you cant understand why they do what they do/think its on purpose. But its not. When they get the help they need, they usually cant even remember what they did/why they would do it. They're literally detached from reality.
yeah you dont go to smokey for deep philosophy, but hes very clued in with all the lolcow stuff and isnt too toxic about it. has his times
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Yeah, I agree that Smokey is pretty chill in his commentary, and he does actively discourage his own audience from trolling people. I do also appreciate that Papa Gut brings in experience from a background in mental health treatment, and points out that it's not always so simple.
It's colorado papa. Laws are very lax on criminals and they are short budgeted as well. Questioning if the cops are going show up is a very valid concern lol
Bad take, gut. You’re too cynical to realize Smokey isn’t just “reporting like everyone else” and “trashing them for no reason”. You don’t need some stupid shit class to understand Daniel’s disturbed, but he shouldn’t be around anyone in general. Kinda closed-minded of you.
This is so hard to listen to. Atleast the lady seemed to actually take some responsibility upon herself to handle him in the best way she could. She deserves some praise, for the most part she seemed to try and give him some leeway and let him leave on his own.
Papa gut, your behavior in this video was reprihensible. I have been enjoying your content recently, but I am in disbelief that you'd defend a child predator.
Papa is not defending Daniel, and he's definitely not an enabler. Papa is humanizing him and offering his audience information about mental illness in this age with TT and discord.
Yeah you may not be the type to apologize but you should seriously apologize to Smokey for that you wished on his future children. That’s so low of you considering you and your wife are trying and you know that would upset you.
So I'm 7 months late but the manager did call the police. Denver police takes their time if a suspect doesn't have a weapon and the have a history with Larson from how often they've been called about him Edit: to the group home idea, he was causing with the other people in the group home and he would occasionally dox himself to where troll messed with him
Smokey is a decent content creator but he has little understanding or sympathy when it comes to mental illness. He would probably cite "personal responsibility" and how if you make your mental illness other peoples problem you don't deserve sympathy which.... Idk there's for sure a level of loss of sympathy there but you can understand what's going on when it comes to mental illness even if you aren't sympathetic to his illness. Not perfect for sure but I love my lolcow updates...
Go to kiwi archives, and watch around the 46min 23second mark of episode 41. Smokey clarifies himself. He is not completely unnuanced like Papa Gut makes it seem. You can say he may not have as much understanding or sympathy regarding mental illness in some capacity because he’s not a medical professional, but if you think Larson deserves sympathy, you are sadly mistaken. He is mentally ill but is cognizant to understand certain things. Papa Gut is being obtuse here, and is uninformed about Larson to a certain extent. As a result, he has indirectly defended him or at least minimized his actions. Larson is a p3d0, and whether or not Gut is actually purposefully defending Larson in some capacity or not, the impact matters more than the intent and thus has been indirectly defending Larson in at least one facet.
@@Akainu-is-OP The impact of Papa Gut’s nuance is bigger than his intent. He is thus unintentionally defending Larson’s behaviors in an underhanded way. At least in my opinion. He may not have meant to, but that’s the impact and that same sentiment simultaneously enables Larson to feel justified to a certain degree, and carries over to add to his victimization complex. His trolls are equally if not more reprehensible and have influenced and tricked Larson many times and that is not okay/has exacerbated the issue. However, Larson is cognizant enough to understand certain things outside of the malicious trolling and his actions are his own. In my opinion, to deny that is to deny some of his personal autonomy ironically. Mental illness is not an excuse, and that is how it comes across with Papa Gut. This same sentiment hurts people like my friends who have conditions like schizophrenia and mental impairments.
From the "controversial ways she raised her kids" video. What does "raising him as a boy" mean? Not letting him wear pink dresses like his sister? Would you have a problem with your little girl wearing boy clothes, who you're "raising as a girl"?
I like smoke, he’s a good creator, but this thing with Daniel is weird, like it’s legit clear that he’s mind is so destroyed by these trolls. Yes Larson shouldn’t be doing these things but what do you get with a man that is already not well minded have lot of trolls fucking with his mind. This is what you get. I hope smoke realizes he did a mistake.
smokey didn't make a mistake, he addressed this on 2H4S episode 41 around the 45 minute mark, he said he doesn't have sympathy for Larson because Larson is very self aware, he doesn't CARE how mentally ill he is he still thinks Larson deserves to be in jail because he's literally a p3d0 and there's proof, not only that but he's literally just a nuisance on everyone and everything around him. smokey knows what he's talking about, and if he does make a mistake he corrects it in the next video, but he didn't make a mistake. Larson doesn't deserve sympathy at this point, he deserves to be locked away in a padded cell.
@@ReitanaViscera THANK YOU. My comment of me saying this same thing kept going to the void. Not sure if it was manually removed by Gut/a mod, or if it was just classic youtube censorship
I love how the guy making the video, blames the "lolcows" for whats going on when they literally do not know better. "why do you guys keep doing this, you know he's going to harass people" so he recognizes its the trolls orchestrating this but still blames people like Daniel Larson
smokey is balanced af..YOUR my boy Smokey!
Man the only time I dislike papa is when he gets on his high horse like this.
I hate how he still always takes Daniels side even with the trolls there are many reasons he is a dangerous predator
Yep same here
Which is pretty often. This channel has never been the same after the def noodles stuff and the cheating allegations
Peadophiles need to defend eachother
Shut up dude
Sounds like you know nothing about
You are very much overestimating how quick police arrive anywhere
Did you really just wish for a child to be born with disabilities?? Kind of weird.
All because he didn't agree with Smokey
Time stamp?...edit 47:45 wtf that is unhinged.
Wow this is so dishonest dude, lmao.
@@puppydestroyah Dishonest how? At 47:49 gut literally says that he “genuinely hopes” that smokeys kid comes out with a disability.
@@Motelmotel666 I may not agree with his literal words, but the sentiment behind it was to develop a sense of empathy towards those regarded as lolcows, cos they all have some kind of poorly-managed or unmanaged mental health issues.
While I agree that Papa Gut isn't operating from the full info on Danderson, he's mentioned before that his wife works in the mental health field, and he's learned from her a lot of info that many of the lolcow commentators simply lack.
Yeah, Danderson's a worse person than PG believes, but his mental illness is also a lot more intricate than SMcC is treating it.
You're so right Papa. Yes Daniel should know better but the trolls should be held accountable.
Shout out my boy smokey 🍀
TWU
What you said regarding Smokey and his video is so uninformed dude wtf.
which part?
Elaborate
Smokey said it best during the earlier* part of yesterday’s “2 High 4 Stupid” stream. He brought up some things about Papa Gut’s nuance that I think I would butcher, and I don’t want to put words in his mouth. I will try and find the timestamp on the VOD reuploaded to Kiwi Tapes Archives so you can judge for yourselves.
(46mins 22 seconds mark)
Larson is indeed a predator. The fact that Papa Gut cannot figure that out, and opens his mouth before looking at all the stuff out there about him is concerning.
(EDIT: Also referenced @ 51:00 on that VOD about Daniel’s disgusting pinterest. It’s not hard to find. He previously defended it too if I remember so it is 99% likely it IS Larson, not a troll)
The dude in the video said “I’m not gonna sit here and act like trolls are the biggest problem” so clearly he has no clue wtf he’s talking about. His whole video was a shit show of bad takes
34:30 He has been legitimately arrested. He has seen a judge where he was legitimately facing charges and jail time and yet here, we are.
I noticed that with him....as soon as authority shows up....snaps out and acts normal aside from the famous stuff@@thedivide9559
When the dude started calling him names, I busted out laughing. bro finally met his match
Exactly dude needs to get checked because he thinks hes so smart but hes really not
The sass is strong in this one. How dare the police not spawn in like it's vice city
Papa watching smokeymcc? What is this? A crossover episode?
@@kevinfinnerty69yep
SmokeyMCC sent me.
I just don’t understand people that judge Daniel’s actions as if he is of sound mind or something. Like you said, he clearly has high assistance autism and high assistance mental illness, but still people are like “why would he do this?? Why does he believe the trolls?? Why doesn’t he just stop???” Like.. why tf do you think?
If he that fucked up he would be in a home permanently wake up….
@@demonofjapan there are plenty of ppl who r severely mentally ill and on the streets there are plenty of ppl who should be institutionalized but aren’t, what is ur point?
@@demonofjapanhe’s been kicked out of multiple homes for being violent.
If they acknowledge he’s mentally unwell then they have to admit they’re bullying an mentally ill person.
@@demonofjapanA lot of those homes cost a lot of money, and the ones that don’t often have several year long waiting lists. Why do you think we have hundreds of thousands mentally I’ll homeless here?
I usually dont comment on videos, but what you said at the end about wishing these people had someone they love having a significant mental impairment so they can understand how unfunny it is really hit close to home with me. My brother went through psychosis when he was 16 and he acted a lot like i see these lolcows acting. It is heartbreaking. I can understand that from the perspective of someone who is uninformed, that you cant understand why they do what they do/think its on purpose. But its not. When they get the help they need, they usually cant even remember what they did/why they would do it. They're literally detached from reality.
it's hilarious when he locks in on the fire alarm and just rushes to pull it
yeah you dont go to smokey for deep philosophy, but hes very clued in with all the lolcow stuff and isnt too toxic about it. has his times
Yeah, I agree that Smokey is pretty chill in his commentary, and he does actively discourage his own audience from trolling people. I do also appreciate that Papa Gut brings in experience from a background in mental health treatment, and points out that it's not always so simple.
Doesn’t seem like it
He seems like a pretty immature guy who rushes to dumb judgements
@@garrett.9494bruh what
It's colorado papa. Laws are very lax on criminals and they are short budgeted as well. Questioning if the cops are going show up is a very valid concern lol
Bad take, gut. You’re too cynical to realize Smokey isn’t just “reporting like everyone else” and “trashing them for no reason”. You don’t need some stupid shit class to understand Daniel’s disturbed, but he shouldn’t be around anyone in general. Kinda closed-minded of you.
are you delusional
do you have schizophrenia
are you in a manic episode
have you seen a therapist?
are there white men in black suits following you?
This is so hard to listen to. Atleast the lady seemed to actually take some responsibility upon herself to handle him in the best way she could. She deserves some praise, for the most part she seemed to try and give him some leeway and let him leave on his own.
Gut your just ex management trying to cover….
Papa gut, your behavior in this video was reprihensible. I have been enjoying your content recently, but I am in disbelief that you'd defend a child predator.
I am from California and buisness get robbed by armed robbers and the police don't even come when they are called by the owner .
Praise Father Stomach 🙌
I don't have reapons
Papa is not defending Daniel, and he's definitely not an enabler. Papa is humanizing him and offering his audience information about mental illness in this age with TT and discord.
Yeah you may not be the type to apologize but you should seriously apologize to Smokey for that you wished on his future children. That’s so low of you considering you and your wife are trying and you know that would upset you.
Jeez Smokey has an annoying voice and cadence lol
9:18 so the cyberpolice?
So I'm 7 months late but the manager did call the police. Denver police takes their time if a suspect doesn't have a weapon and the have a history with Larson from how often they've been called about him
Edit: to the group home idea, he was causing with the other people in the group home and he would occasionally dox himself to where troll messed with him
Yapping
Your blind faith that the police will show up quickly is silly.
The comments upset at you STILL dont understand mental health illness and problems smh
true
Smokey is a decent content creator but he has little understanding or sympathy when it comes to mental illness.
He would probably cite "personal responsibility" and how if you make your mental illness other peoples problem you don't deserve sympathy which....
Idk there's for sure a level of loss of sympathy there but you can understand what's going on when it comes to mental illness even if you aren't sympathetic to his illness.
Not perfect for sure but I love my lolcow updates...
he’s on twitter calling Gut a pedo defender
Go to kiwi archives, and watch around the 46min 23second mark of episode 41. Smokey clarifies himself. He is not completely unnuanced like Papa Gut makes it seem.
You can say he may not have as much understanding or sympathy regarding mental illness in some capacity because he’s not a medical professional, but if you think Larson deserves sympathy, you are sadly mistaken. He is mentally ill but is cognizant to understand certain things.
Papa Gut is being obtuse here, and is uninformed about Larson to a certain extent. As a result, he has indirectly defended him or at least minimized his actions.
Larson is a p3d0, and whether or not Gut is actually purposefully defending Larson in some capacity or not, the impact matters more than the intent and thus has been indirectly defending Larson in at least one facet.
@@Akainu-is-OP
The impact of Papa Gut’s nuance is bigger than his intent. He is thus unintentionally defending Larson’s behaviors in an underhanded way. At least in my opinion.
He may not have meant to, but that’s the impact and that same sentiment simultaneously enables Larson to feel justified to a certain degree, and carries over to add to his victimization complex. His trolls are equally if not more reprehensible and have influenced and tricked Larson many times and that is not okay/has exacerbated the issue.
However, Larson is cognizant enough to understand certain things outside of the malicious trolling and his actions are his own.
In my opinion, to deny that is to deny some of his personal autonomy ironically. Mental illness is not an excuse, and that is how it comes across with Papa Gut.
This same sentiment hurts people like my friends who have conditions like schizophrenia and mental impairments.
Smokey doesn't show him symphony Because he's a pedophile.
IVE BEEN ON A BINGE OF UR DANIEL LARSON CONTENT and u uploaded yayyy
From the "controversial ways she raised her kids" video. What does "raising him as a boy" mean? Not letting him wear pink dresses like his sister? Would you have a problem with your little girl wearing boy clothes, who you're "raising as a girl"?
Good to see your more levelheaded take on this, was a bit annoying to see people just lampoon him without actually talking about the issue
Why is this so downvoted lmao. Also you should play wow more!
I like smoke, he’s a good creator, but this thing with Daniel is weird, like it’s legit clear that he’s mind is so destroyed by these trolls. Yes Larson shouldn’t be doing these things but what do you get with a man that is already not well minded have lot of trolls fucking with his mind. This is what you get. I hope smoke realizes he did a mistake.
smokey didn't make a mistake, he addressed this on 2H4S episode 41 around the 45 minute mark, he said he doesn't have sympathy for Larson because Larson is very self aware, he doesn't CARE how mentally ill he is he still thinks Larson deserves to be in jail because he's literally a p3d0 and there's proof, not only that but he's literally just a nuisance on everyone and everything around him. smokey knows what he's talking about, and if he does make a mistake he corrects it in the next video, but he didn't make a mistake. Larson doesn't deserve sympathy at this point, he deserves to be locked away in a padded cell.
@@ReitanaViscera THANK YOU.
My comment of me saying this same thing kept going to the void. Not sure if it was manually removed by Gut/a mod, or if it was just classic youtube censorship
I love how the guy making the video, blames the "lolcows" for whats going on when they literally do not know better. "why do you guys keep doing this, you know he's going to harass people" so he recognizes its the trolls orchestrating this but still blames people like Daniel Larson
I want you to make a video about about you calling Braidenlox out! he is a bad person!
Thank you for the Daniel Larson update, we love you mr gut
Broo
As a man with autism, I would never wish for someone to be born with it. Deep breaths papa, the internet isnt worth being this angry
47:50…really Papa? I love your takes but that’s just not cool man.
Wow papa gut making it light to have autism
Papa🐐