The reason I blame Levy right now - you can’t give a manager teenagers that need at least 2-4 years to develop, but expect him to perform miracles in 1-2 seasons
Isn't that exactly what Chelsea just battered you with. A quickly thrown together bunch of overpriced kids. Who are now performing miracles after 1-2 seasons 🤣🤣 Even your fans can't help but get it wrong.
Nah, he's the one that's picking the younger players cuz he wants it to be his team in the long run. The expectations to win a trophy might be unfair, but don't think asking for 4-6 placing and winning against the likes of Ipswich and Palace is unreasonable. Spurs got to have at least some defensive mindfulness but Ange refuses to be flexible.
@@sphong0610 I think his comments about choosing the teenagers were just cover for the boss I think it’s reasonable to expect a trophy but give him more time and a few more proven performers to do it. We played differently against City, changed the positioning of our fullbacks, accepted less possession and focused on counterattacks Is that not showing some flexibility?
‘How come Arsenal have done it?’ How many seasons did Arteta have? And Arsenal couldn’t even finish in the top 4 for a good few seasons. Yet now they jump at us for not being immediately right at it…. 🤦🏻♂️
This! We need real change, all the way through the club. His football is amazing when it works. Yes it needs tweaking (which he does) it’s just a narrative because it writes a better story. Aussie up start thinks he knows best fails. I am fed up with the mentality, even down to wanting to lose to city, fair play to him for calling that sh1t out. Let’s change the club from mediocre to winners, Ange is trying to disrupt by demanding more. Real change takes either massive money, which we don’t have it seems, or time, patience and courage and a young squad that matures and grows. Give the team and manager time to work. It’s been a long time bang average, so I would rather be on a path that constant change.
No bro. Arteta never went backwards with arsenal. First full season finished 8th, then 5th then title challengers. Also won an fa cup in his first or second season and got to europa final. We are going backwards under ange. And that is a fact
@@Masterful100absolute rubbish, 90% of arsenal fans were calling for Arteta to be sacked at one stage and they stuck by him and reaped the rewards. Not going backwards either the injuries and lack of a good number 6 has taken its toll.
The problem with Spurs and there recruitment, Spurs first need to look at the recruitment players wage because Levy needs to b the top financial recipient.
Levy only cares about buying cheap prospects he can turn over for profit & that's why we've often ended up with players like that, even in positions we didn't need. It's not a football club, it's speculative investing & if you want to see how stupid Tottenham's board really is the proof is in them repeatedly thinking they can do that when they never do what's actually needed for on-pitch success, effectively blocking their own investments from sufficiently gaining value.
Ange should not be sacked, at least not until the end of the season. As I have said before if he fails to secure a European place through league position or winning a cup a case can be made for his removal PROVIDED a suitable alternative is available and willing to take on the job. That cant be guaranteed and a third season may allow Ange to achieve his objectives.
Correction. The result was 4-3. To be honest I was surprised Ange didn’t make changes earlier when Chelsea scored their first goal. His changes came far too late. But he also doesn’t have the cattle on the bench unlike Maresca, who has enough players to pick from to create five teams. And this is why Ange did what he did. That failure to create depth is Levy’s alone.
Yeah but ange made 0 tactical changes in the first half and too late in the second. From about the 25th minute our press had loss effectiveness and Chelsea were bypassing our midfield so easily everytime. If I can see that is a problem why can't he? It's madness
He's right in that if you have 20-24 relatively top players, ie 2 full squads, you can play the high-line pressing game for 90 min and cope with the injuries you're bound to get. Postecoglu had that in the much weaker leagues in Japan and Scotland. He doesn't have it in the Spurs squad in the much harder PL. He got away with it for the first 10 games when most o the players were fit and then the injuries started, The squad can't cope and it's been mainly downhill since. Either he changes tactics (and he said he won't) or Levy spends 100s of millions on several top players to bolster the squad and you know he won't). Things not looking good!
Will the ange fan boy cult STOP saying the ange out do not have any replacements in mind, wtf how pathectic. just search the current new spurs managers bookies list, come on guys wake up and get with the programme !!
Robert De Zerbi Kieran McKenna Eddie Howe Marco Silva Thomas Frank Thomas Tuchel Gareth Southgate
Keep it real sonny - weak answer, look further up the list - don't be shy now !!! Robert De Zerbi 8 Kieran McKenna 8 Eddie Howe 8 Marco Silva 8 Do your homework, just one search on google found me this !!!
Fairly even until the equalizer pen . 60 mins then just capitulated . Not Angeball as more counter attacking through out . Chances and opportunities squandered by both ,but they had more again , the opposite of Angeball as front foot attacking domination absent . Jackson and Sancho so many easy out balls , then add our sloppy give away pens and 3 injures, it was a recurring nightmare . Naturally losing both CB's and natural RW more salt into a painfully wounding week.
I honestly love Ange who stands firm on their beliefs. Too many fans misinterpret this as arrogance, it’s not…. It’s called honesty, integrity, confidence and belief in something that has worked everywhere he’s gone. Some say “farmers league!!”. He has access to some of the best players and skill in the world now and he’s having a crack. He has a philosophy that he won’t change, but he does tweak. Like he said last year…. We are at broad strokes first season then details come later. They’re all still learning but Europe with thin squad and limited rotations is killing the sustainability of this system right now. He needs at least another 3 windows to get this thing humming. AND a supportive fanbase that can ride out the tough rebuild
If they sack ange, who else will come in and change everything?? No one!!! Levy won't pay the money to any manager, so it will be the same old shit. As long as levy is making loads of money he will not spend it!! We are always a laughing stock in this league. Sick of it!! It has been the same for years!! Great stadium etc but as usual a crap team.
What’s frustrated me most about yesterday was why did we rush Romero and Van de Ven back? And now both are out injured. It was expected that both were rushed back and now it will cost us for more matches than just yesterday.
Romy was a new injury not the one he was originally out for. Apparently he was training well ... we have to accept that as well as accepting a fresh muscle injury could happen to anyone on a cold day. VdV did not come off injured it was a normal 60min sub for a player returning from injury. All normal so atop trying to be so sensationalist.
@@portoutstarboardhome that’s good if true about Van de Ven. Not sure that anyone is trying to be OTT about it but we can just see what happens. Everyone expected Dragusin paired with Gray and then to have the team lineup announced was a big shock but immediately raised the question of if they were brought back too soon. If I was wrong in thinking that then I’m sorry to have jumped to conclusions but it very much appeared to be the case. Hopefully Van de Ven starts then against Southampton, and Romero will be back soon. I think Van de Ven paired with Dragusin could work.
We have to cure us giving away possession while under barely any pressure .. the more we do it the more stressed we look .. some days our passing just isn't good enough to play out from the back. Unless Ange isn't training passing, which I can't believe, it's really not his fault .. the big mistakes we're making are young/rookie, in-experienced mistakes, not tactical ones. Squad is so shallow, we really need to be able to keep them fit somehow.
He was criticised for a 9 player squad rotation when Spurs got kicked out of the Cup last year against Fullham. He has been rotating players all the time and cops flack for it.
@@AniconicArden No he was criticized why did he play his second grade players against Fullham when they lost on penalties and got kicked out of the cup last year.
We need real change, all the way through the club. His football is amazing when it works. Yes it needs tweaking (which he does) it’s just a narrative because it writes a better story. Aussie up start thinks he knows best fails. I am fed up with the mentality, even down to wanting to lose to city, so Arse didn’t win, , fair play to him for calling that sh1t out. Let’s change the club from mediocre to winners, Ange is trying to disrupt by demanding more. Real change takes either massive money, which we don’t have it seems, or time, patience and courage and a young squad that matures and grows. Give the team and manager time to work. It’s been a long time bang average, so I would rather be on a path than constant change with no direction. At least I can see something trying to take shape
I actually think Johan Lange is more at fault as he is responsible for player identification and squad building. I feel a lot of our purchases are reactionary, rather than being proactive. Right now there is no contingency for injured players, replacing unwanted players or a succession plan for the older members of the squad. The recruitment team need to invest in both short and long term prospects like identifying players to fill temporary needs if we cannot get our ideal targets, investing in either superior players to improve the starting 11 or bringing in starting quality rotational players and players with different and unique qualities not present in the squad. We need leaders in the team eg, Keane, Viera, Terry, Baresi, Adams etc. and practically a 2nd 11 of starting quality players. Needs : Ball playing (#6), Destroyer (#6) Right Back (#2), Left Back (#3), Left Centre Back (4) Luxuries : GK (#1), Left Winger (#11) , Right Winger (#7), Striker (#9), Midfielder (#8) Cardoso, Wharton, Angel Gomes, Vanderson, Kerkez, Dorgu, Hincapie, Zabarnyi, Gueuhi, Tapsoba, Inacio, Chevaliar, Trafford, Patterson, Kvaratsheklia, Williams, Semenyo, Davids, Gyokeres, Sesko, Eze, ...
I don't mind that Ange doesn't change his tactic or formation. However, when the players on the field are out of gas waiting for reinforcement but no subs made. Then the team start to concede large amount of possession and lose the game.
It is both Levy and Anges fault. Carra is right about Spurs don’t know how to manage games. They play risky football even if they are 2-0 up, they done the same thing against Roma the other day.
Here is REALITYm from the Chelsea game to Chelsea game!...P 43 w 18 d 6 lost 19 let that sink in 83/71(+12) 60points averaging 1,39...but but but, the squad has been exposed for playing strength, the manager has been exposed for lack of tactical nous, the scouting has been exposed for quality of incomings.....forget the outgoings, the best part of 400million in 3 windows...WHAT a non result!
Ange's game management is very poor especially in the 2nd half of games. He seems to miss all of the warning signs before the team collapse. Romero and VDV just come back from injury without any sub appearance. It is a huge risk to start them and now both are injured again.
What’s Levy’s ambition for this club? Keep replacing managers and more of the same? Mid table no trophies? He has a fantastic stadium nfl go cart track keep the manager and put up with what they deliver then? These pundits should be in management?? Really?
Also they talk about Arse under Arteta like they didn’t finish outside of Europe altogether twice during Arteta’s rebuild. I agree to some degree Ange makes a rod for his own back but he has always been this way. Levy hasn’t backed this project for immediate success again, surprise surprise! So I hope Levy has the balls to stand by a decision for once and back Ange over a longer period. Or spend some cash that actually helps his manager for once
I disagree with you saying that winning a trophy installs belief in the players. Leicester won the Premier league and got relegated. West Ham won the Europa Conference and gone backwards, sacked the manager and about to sack the next one. Just showing you that sometimes winning a single trophy doesn't equate to sustained success
In no industry, would a manager get away with poor performance by complaining their staff cant work the way they want to. You train, you hire where you can but you work with what you have and find a way to achieve. The squad is nowhere near as bad as people want to make out. But ultimately, if you manage in a way that doesnt bring out the best of the people under you, you are a bad manager.
@SonnyTalksSpurs Ultimately, Ange needs to. Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of criticism towards Levy, but Ange's game management is atrocious. It's all well and good to say at 2 - 0 that we should keep on doing what got so to that point, but as soon as Sancho scored. There was only going to be one winner. Ange has made comments about not knowing/being able to change things when things are slipping away mid-match, the question I have is if he doesn't feel he can change things mid game and he doesn't take training, What are Spurs actually paying him for?
Spurs fans need to give me a bit of explanation on this? The problem to me seems to be ENIC! Outside of indulging a personal man crush by hiring Mourinho, on balance he's still doing a damn good job. He's a Spurs fan. If ENIC suddenly decided to play this business closer to the line & gamble a bit more I imagine he'd happily sign off on it, or have I got this wrong?
It’s the media bandwagon now they got rid of the united manager they moved onto the next target! Results haven’t gone well this season but up until the Galatasaray game performances were excellent
LOOK! Guys, it's not rocket science. Had we wanted to be competitive already this season Ange would have needed 3 more quality signings (Eze, Neto, Isak-types, rdy made players to start now or come in as impact subs like Brennan), likely Cardoso for that mf depth and security and possibly a lcb/lb combo also for depth. NOW, Levy didn't give Ange that budget..., so here we are. With lots of really promising players and perhaps a few more looking to bloom in a few years. But for the now, in the Ange-ball turbo system..., we are not deep enough and we don't have enough many quality/impactful players atm for a true/real challenge. That is where we are at now. Unless we spend more, it's gonna be a waiting and hoping game. If anyone, the greed of Levy limits us. Ofc, u could laborate with some kind of more compact mid-block after gaining a lead from where u counterattack. U could have targeted presses, when the targeted players get the ball on their weak side etc as not to have that moronic solo-press from Solanke with no other wingers following his press... I would love some more coolness at the back, always taking it down to the keeper, going left and right and then when pressure is drawn find that harder, straight throughball to break 1 or 2 lines with one good Romero pass and get a 3-4 or 5 - 4 or 4-4 almost like a counter attack. A bit like prime Tuchel's Cheslea, play with the opp, let them chase and when they come for the high press just play over or through them vertically. And we need those fresh 5-7 high impact subs (Brennen typically etc) to come in rested or at least not too exhausted around the 65th minute to sustain the pressure or chase a lead effectively. Now..., we just peter out slowly, even if we have solid players on the pitch, they just don't have juice enough to sustain the crazy turbo-Angeball for the full 97 mins or so.
Dear Ange Out Supporters. Please kindly look in the mirror and ask yourself what does sacking the manager solve? Sacking the manager hasn't worked with 12 of the last managers! He's trying to fix this weak club of ours. If Levy allows him to spend the money on the players he wants and time to build imagine what's possible.
Managing football club in Asia and Scotland does not give him the qualifications to manage in the premiership. Better managers have manage in the premiership and have failed. Ange is treading water and he is sinking fast. He is out off his depth in the premiership. Plus Levy has not given the tools to succeed. He has to go.
Jerry Jones is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, they have a great stadium, 1996 is the last time the Cowboys won the Super bowl. No thank you for any investment.
@SonnyTalksSpurs no one does, but he will at least have more varied tactics and play players in their best positions. Can't believe we haven't used Gray as a 6 or Spence or Gray at RB with Porro in front of them, or Ndogie as a LWB
Why don't you become the manager it's very easy to be a keyboard manager and another thing gey it through your head no manager is going to be successful at this club while levy and his cronies are in charge unless the change their ways drastically.
@mohammedsulemanpatel3849 am I not entitled to have any opinion?! When did I say I would be a better manager?? I have been going to Spurs games for over 40 years home and away. Have you ever been to a game? 👀 🤡
I think the problem is for Ange or part of, is there’s no easy games in the Prem, Ange ball needs players playing fast paced football to work. In Scotland or other leagues you get games where if you only play at 80 percent you get away with it, but not in this league. Now that’s the problem with Ange, the problem with Spurs is the club won’t spend the money so that the squad is good enough to make changes in the team so that you can play Angeball every game. I am not a professional football so I don’t know if the lads are right that when you go two nil up you should change the way you are playing, logic would say you keep doing the same thing, but for Spurs that doesn’t seem to work. Do we sack Ange ? Tbh I haven’t got a clue, but the bigger question is if we do who comes in, & who can gets us up at the top given the way the club works ? Levy seems to think we should get CL football every season but if I bought a ford I wouldn’t expect to beat a guy in a high powered sports car in a race, so why does he ? Until something changes at the very top nothing will change sadly. Coys
Why can't Levy find a balanced manager, who can adjust.. gone from Contes great wall of China to anges kamikaze.. spurs never go big and go out and get what they need.. klopp needed a goalie and centre back so they went and got the best.. so many examples with the top teams doing this
Jamie’s right Ang’s style is just attack and no one wants to defend .. porro and destiny turning her backs when corner is coming or crosses is criminal levy has had three top managers and ruin them all
Well we could have got Slot ,Niegelsmann but they dont want to work for the tyrant levy. Why do you think it took so long to get a manager as Ange is 4th or 5th choice
17:51 This is an excellent point except that you would want it the other way around. We should want to win close games and lose games that we can afford to "throw away." So winning by 1 goal is great because 3 pts is 3pts, and losing by 5 is no different than losing by 1 because 0pts anyway.
Mersons right. 2 nil, game should have been over. I knew wed end up losing. Ange tactics are srupud. Opposition teams licking their lips, knowing that, even if they conceed, we'll still give them chances to beat us. Our Defence in the PL just doesnt work.
@@epec20At least he wants to be there. Jose and Conte were not progressing much better either. The league is beyond us we should be looking at the cups as a realistic goal.
Buut. It seems as though there is some kind of agenda behind the scenes. Is it players? Is it DL and Enic? Impossible to say. Buut I think that Ange is being turned into a scapegoat just like Poch were. Granted, Ange is stubborn at times and perhaps should adapt a bit more than he actually does (he does adapt as opposed to claims of all those "plan B" moaners). Buut. He does choose the starting 11 and perhaps, probably, he could be more wise/creative/brave there. Buut. However, it aint his fault that morons like Sarr and Bissouma make such stupid, STUPID decisions like they did! I never like to excuse managers, give them alibies and such. And am not trying to do so with Ange. Buut we need to cut him some slack. I mean, do we really talk about winning the league this year? Are we? No! So what gives!? Manure are dropping points, man sheety is dropping point (title contenders!), nowcastle, villa are dropping points! Buut? Why is Ange getting so much stick? It sickens be to the bone. Yes, I am frystrated with current form, yes it infuriates me how stupid we are at times. Buut. NO, I am NOT for ANGE out. Cut the man some slack and let him "get out of jail", we are still in ALL competitions. Will Fulham, Forrest even Brighton keep their flying form for the whole/rest of the season? No way. Buut. Will Spurs turn things around? Absolutely sure of that. Specially that the transfer window is just around the corner. And we could make some interesting additions. Buut. So, everybody out there, please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get TF of off Ange´s back. Buut?
Mate we are competing with serial cheats Chelsea and Man City with open cheque books, Arsenal haven't won it in over 20 years Liverpool only won it once since premier league formed Utd not won it now in 10 years stopping the cheats will help even out the playing field
Spurs fans must be blind to still sit on the fence with this manager sod get Levy out this cricket football manager needs to get out of football completely he is a con artist .then we need to get levy out
@@SonnyTalksSpurs Southgate did well with England i think and he only had them a few weeks a year, imagine what Southgate can do 5 days a week 10 til 4pm at least he can adapt to different situations
£300m in 3 windows, levy isn't the problem it's the recruitment which is done through Ange as he picks the players he wants. Tactics are the problem, Ange is the man the blame for me.
The fact is Levy, as much as I blame him for most of our troubles, is not going anywhere. This means we need a manager that is tactically astute to adapt and affect games and improve players. While being able to work within the financial constraints Levy imposes. Ange isn’t that guy. It’s as simple as that.
How are there still people saying "we shouldn't fire postecoglou" 😂 We shouldn't have hired him. He was never qualified for the job and that's showing.
@SonnyTalksSpurs Iraola, Silva, Frank, Potter even Southgate would be less shite. The fact I'm even saying that last name makes me feel filthy dirty but at least he'd work on the basics. What would I do if i was Levy? I'd ask for permission to speak to Iraola, Silva and Frank. In that order. And see what comes of that. If none are available right now, I'd get an extra Spurs club person, possibly Hoddle to hold the reigns until the end of the season and then go for them again. We are absolutely rubbish. He's too old to learn anything new and too old to give time too anyway. Get rid of him now, we're as bad now as we've been since Juande Ramos. We're that bad.
Tottenham were not a side that were a player two away from challenging... They are rebuilding and the rebuild will take time. Clickbait kneejerk braindead take to sack Big Ange.
Jurgen Klopp had similar fist 2-3 seasons like Ange when he first came to Liverpool. Full 90 mins of Gegenpress. Every sing game. For the whole season. Then he learned to find the satisfactory comprise between his ideal way of playing football and the realistic way of playing football. Tottenham needs two. More fund to sign A class players who can bring them the trophy. More patience from fans.
AngeBALLOX is an ideology, but all teams need to be idealoLOGICical.Being able to defend your goal as the number 1 rule as opposed to being able to attack the other goal.AP is a number Too(POO) manager, not good enough for EPL, TottheringHam or any other team.He needs ROBOTS!not players.LOLThe highest of highs but the lowest of lows!....Many fans are turning on the 10 game wonder(2,6 points per game)...40/28=1.42...20/15= 1.33 ...I'm afraid he has taken SpursY backwards, sorry mate...It's a results based industry, owners want result$ and fans want RESULTS!...He was NEVER the right guy for the job, one trick pony who got found out aligned with a tightARSE top dog who wont pay for a GOOD player to come in.ALL of them need to go.
@@SonnyTalksSpurs I say that as an Aussie Spurs fan from the 1970's. There is nothing I want more than for Ange to lead Spurs to glory, but I fear Levy will destroy Ange's Reputation. I wont give up on our team but Ange deserves so much better!
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He was spot on .
seems that way
@@SonnyTalksSpurs don’t agree with anything coming from his mouth ever!
no way
The proof is in the games that should have ben won ,against those won.
The reason I blame Levy right now - you can’t give a manager teenagers that need at least 2-4 years to develop, but expect him to perform miracles in 1-2 seasons
exactly
Isn't that exactly what Chelsea just battered you with. A quickly thrown together bunch of overpriced kids. Who are now performing miracles after 1-2 seasons 🤣🤣
Even your fans can't help but get it wrong.
Nah, he's the one that's picking the younger players cuz he wants it to be his team in the long run. The expectations to win a trophy might be unfair, but don't think asking for 4-6 placing and winning against the likes of Ipswich and Palace is unreasonable. Spurs got to have at least some defensive mindfulness but Ange refuses to be flexible.
@@joeboz4482 no I don’t think so. Neto? Lavia? Caicedo? All proven prem performers before they arrived
@@sphong0610 I think his comments about choosing the teenagers were just cover for the boss
I think it’s reasonable to expect a trophy but give him more time and a few more proven performers to do it.
We played differently against City, changed the positioning of our fullbacks, accepted less possession and focused on counterattacks
Is that not showing some flexibility?
If getting relegated could possibly mean getting Levy out along with toxic fans, I’d be up for that.
LOL
‘How come Arsenal have done it?’ How many seasons did Arteta have? And Arsenal couldn’t even finish in the top 4 for a good few seasons. Yet now they jump at us for not being immediately right at it…. 🤦🏻♂️
He had enough!
This! We need real change, all the way through the club. His football is amazing when it works. Yes it needs tweaking (which he does) it’s just a narrative because it writes a better story. Aussie up start thinks he knows best fails.
I am fed up with the mentality, even down to wanting to lose to city, fair play to him for calling that sh1t out. Let’s change the club from mediocre to winners, Ange is trying to disrupt by demanding more. Real change takes either massive money, which we don’t have it seems, or time, patience and courage and a young squad that matures and grows.
Give the team and manager time to work. It’s been a long time bang average, so I would rather be on a path that constant change.
No bro. Arteta never went backwards with arsenal. First full season finished 8th, then 5th then title challengers. Also won an fa cup in his first or second season and got to europa final.
We are going backwards under ange. And that is a fact
Arteta won a trophy on his first season. 😅 ange is just not a pl manager
@@Masterful100absolute rubbish, 90% of arsenal fans were calling for Arteta to be sacked at one stage and they stuck by him and reaped the rewards. Not going backwards either the injuries and lack of a good number 6 has taken its toll.
I think he needs more time, but I am worried that Daniel Levy won't have the stomach and won't see that he is culpable in all this.
Seems like he’s staying
The problem with Spurs and there recruitment, Spurs first need to look at the recruitment players wage because Levy needs to b the top financial recipient.
yeah agree
Levy only cares about buying cheap prospects he can turn over for profit & that's why we've often ended up with players like that, even in positions we didn't need.
It's not a football club, it's speculative investing & if you want to see how stupid Tottenham's board really is the proof is in them repeatedly thinking they can do that when they never do what's actually needed for on-pitch success, effectively blocking their own investments from sufficiently gaining value.
He needs to go
Ange should not be sacked, at least not until the end of the season. As I have said before if he fails to secure a European place through league position or winning a cup a case can be made for his removal PROVIDED a suitable alternative is available and willing to take on the job. That cant be guaranteed and a third season may allow Ange to achieve his objectives.
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Correction. The result was 4-3. To be honest I was surprised Ange didn’t make changes earlier when Chelsea scored their first goal. His changes came far too late. But he also doesn’t have the cattle on the bench unlike Maresca, who has enough players to pick from to create five teams. And this is why Ange did what he did. That failure to create depth is Levy’s alone.
Yeah but ange made 0 tactical changes in the first half and too late in the second.
From about the 25th minute our press had loss effectiveness and Chelsea were bypassing our midfield so easily everytime.
If I can see that is a problem why can't he? It's madness
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He's right in that if you have 20-24 relatively top players, ie 2 full squads, you can play the high-line pressing game for 90 min and cope with the injuries you're bound to get. Postecoglu had that in the much weaker leagues in Japan and Scotland. He doesn't have it in the Spurs squad in the much harder PL. He got away with it for the first 10 games when most o the players were fit and then the injuries started, The squad can't cope and it's been mainly downhill since. Either he changes tactics (and he said he won't) or Levy spends 100s of millions on several top players to bolster the squad and you know he won't). Things not looking good!
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Will the ange fan boy cult STOP saying the ange out do not have any replacements in mind, wtf how pathectic. just search the current new spurs managers
bookies list, come on guys wake up and get with the programme !!
Robert De Zerbi
Kieran McKenna
Eddie Howe
Marco Silva
Thomas Frank
Thomas Tuchel
Gareth Southgate
Southgate 😂
Keep it real sonny - weak answer, look further up the list - don't be shy now !!!
Robert De Zerbi
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Do your homework, just one search on google found me this !!!
The summer window was a disaster. The only real change to the team was Solanke. The writing has been on the wall ever since. Ange doesn’t have a hope.
Shame
Fairly even until the equalizer pen . 60 mins then just capitulated . Not Angeball as more counter attacking through out . Chances and opportunities squandered by both ,but they had more again , the opposite of Angeball as front foot attacking domination absent . Jackson and Sancho so many easy out balls , then add our sloppy give away pens and 3 injures, it was a recurring nightmare . Naturally losing both CB's and natural RW more salt into a painfully wounding week.
We took our foot of the gas at 2-0
I honestly love Ange who stands firm on their beliefs. Too many fans misinterpret this as arrogance, it’s not…. It’s called honesty, integrity, confidence and belief in something that has worked everywhere he’s gone. Some say “farmers league!!”. He has access to some of the best players and skill in the world now and he’s having a crack. He has a philosophy that he won’t change, but he does tweak. Like he said last year…. We are at broad strokes first season then details come later. They’re all still learning but Europe with thin squad and limited rotations is killing the sustainability of this system right now. He needs at least another 3 windows to get this thing humming. AND a supportive fanbase that can ride out the tough rebuild
is was always going to be painful
He is correct.
We need change of owners
I think he's been given comfort for this season with all the young signings
one more year?
If they sack ange, who else will come in and change everything?? No one!!! Levy won't pay the money to any manager, so it will be the same old shit. As long as levy is making loads of money he will not spend it!! We are always a laughing stock in this league. Sick of it!! It has been the same for years!! Great stadium etc but as usual a crap team.
Exactly
What’s frustrated me most about yesterday was why did we rush Romero and Van de Ven back? And now both are out injured. It was expected that both were rushed back and now it will cost us for more matches than just yesterday.
I guess we have no other options
Romy was a new injury not the one he was originally out for. Apparently he was training well ... we have to accept that as well as accepting a fresh muscle injury could happen to anyone on a cold day.
VdV did not come off injured it was a normal 60min sub for a player returning from injury. All normal so atop trying to be so sensationalist.
@@portoutstarboardhome that’s good if true about Van de Ven. Not sure that anyone is trying to be OTT about it but we can just see what happens. Everyone expected Dragusin paired with Gray and then to have the team lineup announced was a big shock but immediately raised the question of if they were brought back too soon.
If I was wrong in thinking that then I’m sorry to have jumped to conclusions but it very much appeared to be the case.
Hopefully Van de Ven starts then against Southampton, and Romero will be back soon. I think Van de Ven paired with Dragusin could work.
And he didn’t play them from the start you would say why didn’t he?
We have to cure us giving away possession while under barely any pressure .. the more we do it the more stressed we look .. some days our passing just isn't good enough to play out from the back. Unless Ange isn't training passing, which I can't believe, it's really not his fault .. the big mistakes we're making are young/rookie, in-experienced mistakes, not tactical ones. Squad is so shallow, we really need to be able to keep them fit somehow.
I think he still needs more time to implement
Ange isn't used to the amount of games in a season, I think his plan A needs to slow down and he needs to learn squad rotation, that's his weakness
3 games a week is not helping
He was criticised for a 9 player squad rotation when Spurs got kicked out of the Cup last year against Fullham. He has been rotating players all the time and cops flack for it.
@KK-qi6mt wasn't that his second game in charge? That was more like testing his squad to be fair.
What 😂😂😂 he played in 4 comps a season with celtic lol
@@AniconicArden No he was criticized why did he play his second grade players against Fullham when they lost on penalties and got kicked out of the cup last year.
We need real change, all the way through the club. His football is amazing when it works. Yes it needs tweaking (which he does) it’s just a narrative because it writes a better story. Aussie up start thinks he knows best fails.
I am fed up with the mentality, even down to wanting to lose to city, so Arse didn’t win, , fair play to him for calling that sh1t out. Let’s change the club from mediocre to winners, Ange is trying to disrupt by demanding more. Real change takes either massive money, which we don’t have it seems, or time, patience and courage and a young squad that matures and grows.
Give the team and manager time to work. It’s been a long time bang average, so I would rather be on a path than constant change with no direction. At least I can see something trying to take shape
Levy needs to go
I actually think Johan Lange is more at fault as he is responsible for player identification and squad building. I feel a lot of our purchases are reactionary, rather than being proactive. Right now there is no contingency for injured players, replacing unwanted players or a succession plan for the older members of the squad.
The recruitment team need to invest in both short and long term prospects like identifying players to fill temporary needs if we cannot get our ideal targets, investing in either superior players to improve the starting 11 or bringing in starting quality rotational players and players with different and unique qualities not present in the squad.
We need leaders in the team eg, Keane, Viera, Terry, Baresi, Adams etc. and practically a 2nd 11 of starting quality players.
Needs : Ball playing (#6), Destroyer (#6) Right Back (#2), Left Back (#3), Left Centre Back (4)
Luxuries : GK (#1), Left Winger (#11) , Right Winger (#7), Striker (#9), Midfielder (#8)
Cardoso, Wharton, Angel Gomes, Vanderson, Kerkez, Dorgu, Hincapie, Zabarnyi, Gueuhi, Tapsoba, Inacio, Chevaliar, Trafford, Patterson, Kvaratsheklia, Williams, Semenyo, Davids, Gyokeres, Sesko, Eze, ...
lange has been poor
I don't mind that Ange doesn't change his tactic or formation. However, when the players on the field are out of gas waiting for reinforcement but no subs made. Then the team start to concede large amount of possession and lose the game.
Mixed feelings I have....sack him and who will we get? Keep him and he won't change....and we will continue throwing games away
It’s a tricky one
He is 100 % right !
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Imagine if Levy actually opened his back pocket?
a fever dream
Levi's back pocket isn't worth opening, he's trying to open joe lewis pockets.
£300m in 3 windows isnt?
@@Mogojoegotube and what do they get back in sales in that time? Chelsea roughly selling 50 % of what they spend to stay within finance rules.
It is both Levy and Anges fault. Carra is right about Spurs don’t know how to manage games. They play risky football even if they are 2-0 up, they done the same thing against Roma the other day.
Here is REALITYm from the Chelsea game to Chelsea game!...P 43 w 18 d 6 lost 19 let that sink in 83/71(+12) 60points averaging 1,39...but but but, the squad has been exposed for playing strength, the manager has been exposed for lack of tactical nous, the scouting has been exposed for quality of incomings.....forget the outgoings, the best part of 400million in 3 windows...WHAT a non result!
What would you want next
Ange's game management is very poor especially in the 2nd half of games. He seems to miss all of the warning signs before the team collapse. Romero and VDV just come back from injury without any sub appearance. It is a huge risk to start them and now both are injured again.
What’s Levy’s ambition for this club? Keep replacing managers and more of the same? Mid table no trophies? He has a fantastic stadium nfl go cart track keep the manager and put up with what they deliver then? These pundits should be in management?? Really?
Levy is a joke
Also they talk about Arse under Arteta like they didn’t finish outside of Europe altogether twice during Arteta’s rebuild.
I agree to some degree Ange makes a rod for his own back but he has always been this way.
Levy hasn’t backed this project for immediate success again, surprise surprise! So I hope Levy has the balls to stand by a decision for once and back Ange over a longer period. Or spend some cash that actually helps his manager for once
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I disagree with you saying that winning a trophy installs belief in the players. Leicester won the Premier league and got relegated. West Ham won the Europa Conference and gone backwards, sacked the manager and about to sack the next one. Just showing you that sometimes winning a single trophy doesn't equate to sustained success
they were two different teams
If he doesn’t deliver by the end of his contract, no need to sack him, he will leave on his own
He’s not all to blame
Our squad value is 6th in PL we are 11th. Looks like a manager issue.
does not always add up like that
In no industry, would a manager get away with poor performance by complaining their staff cant work the way they want to. You train, you hire where you can but you work with what you have and find a way to achieve. The squad is nowhere near as bad as people want to make out. But ultimately, if you manage in a way that doesnt bring out the best of the people under you, you are a bad manager.
What needs to change
@SonnyTalksSpurs Ultimately, Ange needs to. Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of criticism towards Levy, but Ange's game management is atrocious. It's all well and good to say at 2 - 0 that we should keep on doing what got so to that point, but as soon as Sancho scored. There was only going to be one winner. Ange has made comments about not knowing/being able to change things when things are slipping away mid-match, the question I have is if he doesn't feel he can change things mid game and he doesn't take training, What are Spurs actually paying him for?
Merson always talk from the wrong end
lol
Ange needs to be supported. Sacking him will only create more problems.
I agree
Give him the season, wait for the world cup to finish and get Poch back
Why tho?
Spurs fans need to give me a bit of explanation on this? The problem to me seems to be ENIC! Outside of indulging a personal man crush by hiring Mourinho, on balance he's still doing a damn good job.
He's a Spurs fan. If ENIC suddenly decided to play this business closer to the line & gamble a bit more I imagine he'd happily sign off on it, or have I got this wrong?
Levy needs to go
It’s the media bandwagon now they got rid of the united manager they moved onto the next target! Results haven’t gone well this season but up until the Galatasaray game performances were excellent
LOOK! Guys, it's not rocket science. Had we wanted to be competitive already this season Ange would have needed 3 more quality signings (Eze, Neto, Isak-types, rdy made players to start now or come in as impact subs like Brennan), likely Cardoso for that mf depth and security and possibly a lcb/lb combo also for depth.
NOW, Levy didn't give Ange that budget..., so here we are. With lots of really promising players and perhaps a few more looking to bloom in a few years. But for the now, in the Ange-ball turbo system..., we are not deep enough and we don't have enough many quality/impactful players atm for a true/real challenge.
That is where we are at now. Unless we spend more, it's gonna be a waiting and hoping game.
If anyone, the greed of Levy limits us.
Ofc, u could laborate with some kind of more compact mid-block after gaining a lead from where u counterattack. U could have targeted presses, when the targeted players get the ball on their weak side etc as not to have that moronic solo-press from Solanke with no other wingers following his press...
I would love some more coolness at the back, always taking it down to the keeper, going left and right and then when pressure is drawn find that harder, straight throughball to break 1 or 2 lines with one good Romero pass and get a 3-4 or 5 - 4 or 4-4 almost like a counter attack. A bit like prime Tuchel's Cheslea, play with the opp, let them chase and when they come for the high press just play over or through them vertically.
And we need those fresh 5-7 high impact subs (Brennen typically etc) to come in rested or at least not too exhausted around the 65th minute to sustain the pressure or chase a lead effectively. Now..., we just peter out slowly, even if we have solid players on the pitch, they just don't have juice enough to sustain the crazy turbo-Angeball for the full 97 mins or so.
Dear Ange Out Supporters. Please kindly look in the mirror and ask yourself what does sacking the manager solve? Sacking the manager hasn't worked with 12 of the last managers! He's trying to fix this weak club of ours. If Levy allows him to spend the money on the players he wants and time to build imagine what's possible.
well said
The problem is Daniel
always
Yes, next question.
Hahha
Rednapp seemed very balanced from the snippet i saw. Blamed Levy.
Former spurs tbf
He's got 8 first team senior players out. Give him time I'm sick of sacking managers and false dawns. Judge him with a fit squad at least.
It becomes boring
Most 11 year old girls don’t agree with Cara, I’m with them
Managing football club in Asia and Scotland does not give him the qualifications to manage in the premiership. Better managers have manage in the premiership and have failed. Ange is treading water and he is sinking fast. He is out off his depth in the premiership. Plus Levy has not given the tools to succeed. He has to go.
Who comes in
@SonnyTalksSpurs I would love to see graham Potter. Give an English manager a chance and reunite him with bissoma.
Jerry Jones is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, they have a great stadium, 1996 is the last time the Cowboys won the Super bowl. No thank you for any investment.
And Jones micromanaged the head coaches, just like Levy does!
agree
No not sack ang, its not ang,s fault for indivindual mistakes
Yeah
I'd love Thoma Frank but he and most decent managers won't come mid season
Also he doesn’t guarantee success or change
@SonnyTalksSpurs no one does, but he will at least have more varied tactics and play players in their best positions. Can't believe we haven't used Gray as a 6 or Spence or Gray at RB with Porro in front of them, or Ndogie as a LWB
Why don't you become the manager it's very easy to be a keyboard manager and another thing gey it through your head no manager is going to be successful at this club while levy and his cronies are in charge unless the change their ways drastically.
@mohammedsulemanpatel3849 am I not entitled to have any opinion?! When did I say I would be a better manager?? I have been going to Spurs games for over 40 years home and away. Have you ever been to a game? 👀 🤡
I think the problem is for Ange or part of, is there’s no easy games in the Prem, Ange ball needs players playing fast paced football to work. In Scotland or other leagues you get games where if you only play at 80 percent you get away with it, but not in this league.
Now that’s the problem with Ange, the problem with Spurs is the club won’t spend the money so that the squad is good enough to make changes in the team so that you can play Angeball every game.
I am not a professional football so I don’t know if the lads are right that when you go two nil up you should change the way you are playing, logic would say you keep doing the same thing, but for Spurs that doesn’t seem to work.
Do we sack Ange ? Tbh I haven’t got a clue, but the bigger question is if we do who comes in, & who can gets us up at the top given the way the club works ? Levy seems to think we should get CL football every season but if I bought a ford I wouldn’t expect to beat a guy in a high powered sports car in a race, so why does he ?
Until something changes at the very top nothing will change sadly. Coys
COYS!
Cuti Romero very important. If he played this entire game, we win
We are cursed
Why can't Levy find a balanced manager, who can adjust.. gone from Contes great wall of China to anges kamikaze.. spurs never go big and go out and get what they need.. klopp needed a goalie and centre back so they went and got the best.. so many examples with the top teams doing this
We won’t pay
People are going to lose their credibility backing ANGE…
How?
It’s blatantly obvious Harry the plan ain’t working and it’s getting worse… it’s dragging everyone down ..
what do you suggest?
Jamie’s right Ang’s style is just attack and no one wants to defend .. porro and destiny turning her backs when corner is coming or crosses is criminal levy has had three top managers and ruin them all
He needs to adapt and needs time
Notice how no one saying “Ange out” can provide a replacement
i agree!
That’s because nobody wants the job!
Well we could have got Slot ,Niegelsmann but they dont want to work for the tyrant levy. Why do you think it took so long to get a manager as Ange is 4th or 5th choice
Do you know, Brighton only have 3 losses. Spurs have 7!
@epec20 Ange should be sacked end off or in janauaru levy gives money to buy Defenders lads that defend at r.back snd left back and a no 6 def mid
Not sure when did you record this video, but at minute 1:39, you were showing the wrong final score.
My typo haha
One step forward and 2 step back
We need to back him
17:51 This is an excellent point except that you would want it the other way around. We should want to win close games and lose games that we can afford to "throw away." So winning by 1 goal is great because 3 pts is 3pts, and losing by 5 is no different than losing by 1 because 0pts anyway.
True
Should have hired Poch.
Ange must go asap
poch!
It’s not Daniel Ley’s fault. It’s the boss’s fault: Joe Lewis .. #lewisout #angein
Levy is the day to day
Mersons right. 2 nil, game should have been over. I knew wed end up losing. Ange tactics are srupud. Opposition teams licking their lips, knowing that, even if they conceed, we'll still give them chances to beat us. Our Defence in the PL just doesnt work.
we need some major tweaks
@@SonnyTalksSpurs was always a gamble, hiring Ange. I really supported him. But, we have to be honest. His style doesn't work at this level
who do you bring in?
@@SonnyTalksSpursThomas Frank
Still Ange in Sonny????😂😂😂😂😂
The problems run deeper than ange
@ yeah…. Let’s start with removing Ange…..he is not the guy….comparatively, removing Ange is easier than removing Levy……
20 years and nothing to show!
@@SonnyTalksSpursthe problems may run deeper than Ange. But, doesn't change the fact that Ange is out of his depth
@@epec20At least he wants to be there. Jose and Conte were not progressing much better either. The league is beyond us we should be looking at the cups as a realistic goal.
Spurs 3 - 4 chelsea actually
Typo
Tonight….just before you sleep….. put your hand to touch your heart…..and admit ….you are in denial….😂😂😂😂😂
I see no solution from yourself
@ I have …..it all start with removing Ange….which you never dare to do….
And replace with?
@ any manager who won’t play kamikaze tactics, in-game management is good, can change the playing style….
@ obviously you don’t agree with Jamie Carragher’s comments……. I 100% agree with him
Buut. It seems as though there is some kind of agenda behind the scenes. Is it players? Is it DL and Enic? Impossible to say. Buut I think that Ange is being turned into a scapegoat just like Poch were. Granted, Ange is stubborn at times and perhaps should adapt a bit more than he actually does (he does adapt as opposed to claims of all those "plan B" moaners). Buut. He does choose the starting 11 and perhaps, probably, he could be more wise/creative/brave there. Buut. However, it aint his fault that morons like Sarr and Bissouma make such stupid, STUPID decisions like they did! I never like to excuse managers, give them alibies and such. And am not trying to do so with Ange. Buut we need to cut him some slack. I mean, do we really talk about winning the league this year? Are we? No! So what gives!? Manure are dropping points, man sheety is dropping point (title contenders!), nowcastle, villa are dropping points! Buut? Why is Ange getting so much stick? It sickens be to the bone. Yes, I am frystrated with current form, yes it infuriates me how stupid we are at times. Buut. NO, I am NOT for ANGE out. Cut the man some slack and let him "get out of jail", we are still in ALL competitions. Will Fulham, Forrest even Brighton keep their flying form for the whole/rest of the season? No way. Buut. Will Spurs turn things around? Absolutely sure of that. Specially that the transfer window is just around the corner. And we could make some interesting additions. Buut. So, everybody out there, please, pretty please, with sugar on top, get TF of off Ange´s back. Buut?
Levy will always be to blame
Jamie C our top away player og scorer.
LOL
Not 4-2, 4-3
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ENIC OUT!!!
YES!
Mate we are competing with serial cheats Chelsea and Man City with open cheque books, Arsenal haven't won it in over 20 years Liverpool only won it once since premier league formed Utd not won it now in 10 years stopping the cheats will help even out the playing field
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Spurs fans must be blind to still sit on the fence with this manager sod get Levy out this cricket football manager needs to get out of football completely he is a con artist .then we need to get levy out
Who do you want in
@@SonnyTalksSpurs Southgate did well with England i think and he only had them a few weeks a year, imagine what Southgate can do 5 days a week 10 til 4pm at least he can adapt to different situations
£300m in 3 windows, levy isn't the problem it's the recruitment which is done through Ange as he picks the players he wants. Tactics are the problem, Ange is the man the blame for me.
And he puts that in place
The fact is Levy, as much as I blame him for most of our troubles, is not going anywhere. This means we need a manager that is tactically astute to adapt and affect games and improve players. While being able to work within the financial constraints Levy imposes. Ange isn’t that guy. It’s as simple as that.
400 mil against over 1 bil and people expect us to win. Life doesn't work that way. Give us over a bil and we are in with a chance every week. COYS
100% , Chelsea doesn’t rebuild , they just buy what they need . Also Ange in .
not wrong
Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton haven't spent 400mil though
more pressure on us
How are there still people saying "we shouldn't fire postecoglou" 😂
We shouldn't have hired him. He was never qualified for the job and that's showing.
Who takes his place?
@SonnyTalksSpurs Iraola, Silva, Frank, Potter even Southgate would be less shite.
The fact I'm even saying that last name makes me feel filthy dirty but at least he'd work on the basics.
What would I do if i was Levy? I'd ask for permission to speak to Iraola, Silva and Frank. In that order. And see what comes of that. If none are available right now, I'd get an extra Spurs club person, possibly Hoddle to hold the reigns until the end of the season and then go for them again.
We are absolutely rubbish. He's too old to learn anything new and too old to give time too anyway. Get rid of him now, we're as bad now as we've been since Juande Ramos. We're that bad.
Carragher is a prat, don't know what he's doing on Sky.
One of the best pundits
Tottenham were not a side that were a player two away from challenging... They are rebuilding and the rebuild will take time. Clickbait kneejerk braindead take to sack Big Ange.
agree!
Jurgen Klopp had similar fist 2-3 seasons like Ange when he first came to Liverpool.
Full 90 mins of Gegenpress. Every sing game. For the whole season.
Then he learned to find the satisfactory comprise between his ideal way of playing football and the realistic way of playing football.
Tottenham needs two. More fund to sign A class players who can bring them the trophy. More patience from fans.
Exactly
AngeBALLOX is an ideology, but all teams need to be idealoLOGICical.Being able to defend your goal as the number 1 rule as opposed to being able to attack the other goal.AP is a number Too(POO) manager, not good enough for EPL, TottheringHam or any other team.He needs ROBOTS!not players.LOLThe highest of highs but the lowest of lows!....Many fans are turning on the 10 game wonder(2,6 points per game)...40/28=1.42...20/15= 1.33 ...I'm afraid he has taken SpursY backwards, sorry mate...It's a results based industry, owners want result$ and fans want RESULTS!...He was NEVER the right guy for the job, one trick pony who got found out aligned with a tightARSE top dog who wont pay for a GOOD player to come in.ALL of them need to go.
They can’t all go
ANGE IS AWFUL = AIA
Ange out. Sick and tired of this fraud. Time to be honest people.
who do you want instead?
Terrible take binyguy.
LOL
Unfortunately so
ANGE/LEVY OUT
levy more!
Ange needs to move to a team with proper ownership even if its the bottom of the league; "Ange RUN!"
LOL not wrong
@@SonnyTalksSpurs I say that as an Aussie Spurs fan from the 1970's. There is nothing I want more than for Ange to lead Spurs to glory, but I fear Levy will destroy Ange's Reputation. I wont give up on our team but Ange deserves so much better!
Still waiting for breaking news this Monday morning hoping Ange gets the sack.
Who do you want to replace him?
@@SonnyTalksSpurs Thomas Frank
When we are floating around the bottom three and out of every cup he will be sacked for sure
Not yet