How Teflon Poisoned the World
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2023
- Hello! This is the story of how Polytetrafluoroethylene, brand name Teflon, has poisoned almost the entire world with Perfluorooctanoic acid, PFOA, which is cancer-causing. The amount of PFOA in the average person isn't necessarily harmful, but nevertheless PFOA can be found in dolphins in Florida, the rain in Tibet, household dust, and food and water. It's basically everywhere. Yay.
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I was a jet engine mechanic in the US Air Force in the 1960s. Many of the hoses on the engines were lined with Teflon. We were told that if there ever was an engine fire in the hangar, to run, because the burning Teflon in the hoses releases a poisonous gas. When I came out of the Air Force, I was surprised to learn that they were selling frying pans lined with Teflon.
Decomposing teflon is posionos.
Teflon doesn't decompose till ~245°C.Thi sbecomes relevant when you forget pan on the gas stove, or when somenidiot thinks its a good ide to run his teflon bowden tube 3D printer above its physical limits.
We were brainwashed by big companies like 3m and dupont into thinking these chemicals were safe.
The fire suppressant foams also had fluorinated hydrocarbons and in the military probably still do.
Jesus...
@@martonlerant5672 jeez just @ me next time
Private citizens who would be found guilty of deliberately dumping large quantities of highly toxic waste would serve long prison sentences. Companies doing this should not be fined, they should be dismantled as criminal organizations.
Indeed.
But that is where hiding and the 20-40 year delays make it hard.
What really helps is more funding for public research and more regulation and better funded agencies.
Would cause too many disturbances in the economy if you dismantled every company caught doing these sorts of things.
Great idea
if you lend money to your friend and demand back more money from him, you could end up in jail for various reasons, if you do it for millions of people, you are called bank and will be saved even if you fail.
Why do you think they discourage capitalism and promote corporatism. Then they can hold no one to account and be protected by the government laws.
This will never stop until we stop suing companies, and start criminally prosecuting the individuals responsible within the company.
It won't stop until we end the monetary system entirely and permanently.
Doesn't matter if we prosecute, others will just replace the ones we have now. And they will be smarter and more prepared when they do.
Removing money from the equation also removes all the power they possess. Giving us a more level playing field.
If we keep money, regulations will always be after the damage has been done.
Change the incentive to change the behavior that results.
That's really the only way we change things.
it's best stop buying any stuff from these companies they will rot from lack of cash, suing them will not work as courts will protect them
@@user-ul3jc6ge9ysadly, they can rebrand themselves and most people don't know about the dark truth behind those companies.
it's about the big short term gains. stop buying toxic products. methyl mercury was a similar case with Minamata Disease. -j from my wife's UA-cam with her permission of course. ☮️🎶
@@user-ul3jc6ge9yplease tell me when that has ever actually worked. And by worked I mean the multi billionaires at the top had their entire lives destroyed. Never
My neighbor was rinsing a couple of paint brushes in the gutter in front of his house. The paint was a common, water-soluble latex he'd used in a couple rooms in his home. Some Karen nextdoor reported him to the city authorities and he had to pay over $20 THOUSAND dollars in fines plus attorney's fees defending himself. His daughter had to wait 3 extra years to attend medical school because he had to use the tuition money he'd saved for her to pay his lawyer's fees.
All over two paint brushes. And DuPont keeps poisoning the world.
It's definitely terrible but paintbrushes, gross!
He used the paint *inside* his home but then went outside to rinse the brushes? It doesn't make sense...
"$20 THOUSAND dollars"
*twenty dollars THOUSAND dollars*
is what you just said
FYI, when you use a dollar sign ($) you don't also have to type the word "dollars"
@@soulbot119 Do you feel better now? Bots don't have souls.....
Your neighbor deserved it!
"don’t scratch the pan, the coating is poisonous"
me as a child thinking "excuse me wot?"
It's like how I need to use coasters on the coffee table because, out of hundreds of materials, my parents chose to buy a table made of the only material that is damaged by room-temperature water.
But at least there is a historical reason for that, each wooden table reminds someone of the wooden tables of previous generations, going back to the dawn of civilization. There's something worse about a poisonous pan coating because it's such a new and creative waste of human health.
@@teslainvestah5003it’s literally not poisonous unless you set it on fire
Seriously!
@@jhoughjr1 yeah. so real convenient that our main use for it is to put it on top of burning hot steel...
Reminds me of the microphones in your TVs bit. "But we don't have voice commands in this TV." And then comes the NSA leaks...
I used to work with a guy who half-jokingly, half-seriously liked to say "If it doesn't cause cancer it's not durable."
Asbestos, Teflon, Uranium...
The chemicals used to treat lumber, especially for things like seawalls and railroad ties.
Ironically, some of the chemicals used to treat cancer do cause cancer too. They're one of the reasons for cancer recurrence.
The sun, sugar, being alive, being old, being young, having a genitalia also gives you cancer.
Chromium 6 used for high hardness surfaces, like gun barrel lining for example.
The saddest part of it all is that Dupont just moved to the Netherlands and continued their polluting activities over there and are still getting away with it. Many of the people there are chronicly ill from swimming and eating crops grown using water from the area.
@RosalieLubart. That's right. They knew that it's poisonous but dumped their waste into the river. Now virtually everyone in the Netherlands has their blood polluted. The bosses of Dupont & Chemours & 3M are criminals.
The Dupont family are made up of demons. One of them literally molested his own son and daughter and got *probation* because the judge literally said "He wouldn't fare well in prison". Insanity, then the sentencing was defended by Joe Bidens son Beau who was the AG at the time before his passing
@@TrophyGuide101 That's horrible!
Dupont has dumped awful things into waterways. I remember news stories on it.
What! Really?! I am dutch! I didn't know this :( thx for letting me know, do you know where I can find any information about this?
In case you didn't know the movie called *Dark Waters (2019)* tells the real-life story of Rob Bilott, the lawyer who took on chemical giant DuPont after discovering that the company was polluting drinking water with the harmful chemical PFOA.
Yeah sure lol. Keep being a gullible sheep believing everything the media says and see where it gets you in life 😂😂😂 #brainwashed
Sounds interesting. I'm going to look that up!
Très très bien réalisé mais l'histoire dure toujours, Dupont a versé des millions de dollars mais continue d'en engranger bien plus, c'est comme le marché des pesticides, des engrais ( dont Dupont est aussi acteur ) on doit toujours les interdire mais les marchés sont toujours aussi florissants. Notre santé ne pèse rien à côté du bizness.
Imagine living in a dystopian country where government agencies can just settle criminal cases with corporations.
who knew capitalists always choose profits over public good
That would be insane, luckily I live in the emperial core
@theoheinrich529 in the case of communism, there would be no need for a case, the government won't care about you either
I lived in Beijing in 2012-2014, the Communists are way worse when it comes to environmental protection. You couldn't even see the blie color of the sky 9 out of 10 days due to the smog from the factories and unfiltered coal power plants.
@@theoheinrich529yeah because having that same equation but government makes sense lol how is China, Russia and other countries any better exactly? Compare it to something on earth not something in your head.
I missed the part where these chemicals were banned by the EPA, and the people who made them went to prison for poisoning millions of people and animals. .
EPA is useless... The letters stand for Everyone Poisoned Already.
Crazy too because we have family friend whose husband got 3 months in jail for it. They were dumping chemicals in the water because everyone else was doing it and getting away with it so figured, what the hell.
@@edwardkantowicz4707hehe that’s a good one
@@edwardkantowicz4707 No, you know it stands for Environmental Protection Agency.
22 universes left of us maybe... not in this timeline. 😐
My dad worked for Sunbeam Corp. He was a teflon spray painter. He never got cancer during the 21 years he was there...go figure. Anyway, the company folded and moved. He collected his pension up until that went under and bankruptcy kicked in. PBGC paid my dad 10 cents on the dollar and we were screwed. He tried to work again but he was too aged and weak. He sort of cracked under the pressure and wasn't the same man. Most of the family had to distance themselves from him.To this day the suffering is felt. Sunbeam destroyed my dad & family. Just like the teflon that destroyed a segment of the world.
I feel sorry for u
🙏💜🙏
@@Closse Actually, I feel sorry for those who ran companies like Sunbeam. They ran it in a way that destroyed many families. Their teflon hurt many more. God will have plenty to do and say judgment day.
What a fucked family. Hey...dad is having a hard time, let's abandon him.
Classic American capitalism. 😂
As someone who works in the environmental sector I can tell you PFAS is going to be a major issue in the future. It is literally everywhere and the regulations are very lax since it is such a new contaminate.
Regulations are lax more because a few people get their pockets lined for keeping things that way. Just my opinion. Everyone involved at the decision making level knows this stuff is poison.
These corporations make alot of contributions to guarantee regulation stays weak
The fact these companies got caught poisoning people and covering it up….and got away with it Is absurd
but GDP
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
Welcome to 💩hole Merika where the revolving door of justice isn’t for the common worker slave !
Jobs.
Now do the Jab
My town has a particularly high amount of this, many people have water that tested so high that the local government has had to install filter systems in their houses. We are warned not to eat fish from any of the local waterways and to avoid the foam in the lakes whilst swimming.
Thanks dupont.
And in DE theyre still a respected family! crazy
Where are you??
better living through blood pollution (to paraphrase a slogan)
He’s says on his Dow Corning glass phone
I generally consider all fish as various levels of toxic and have opted for molecularly distilled omega-3 as the replacement. We've ruined waterborne life as for safe consumption. I don't believe dementia or cancer are "purely random". There are chance multipliers all over the place, and I think seafood is one of them. We ruined the lakes, rivers and oceans and the price we pay, is that we can't have seafood without major consequences.
When I was in elementary school in the early 1960s, I told my mom I had a creepy feeling about our Teflon pans. My mother discounted my concern. In the early 1970s when I was living on my own, my mother gave me all of her Teflon cookware. All of it went immediately into the trashcan.
She indirectly saved herself. 😆
This hasn't changed. People who are skeptical of new technologies are still mocked...until they aren't.
creepy feeling sure bro
@@connor3284lol trust me big brother is real and he already knows all
The next craze is silicone cook Ware for muffins and cakes ....I mean I told my wife watch out for that ..oh everyone uses it I said yeah what's great now kills u later
Excellent presentation and a very serious global crime that went largely unpunished and continues unabated.
It will not be unpunished forever, if we continue to spread more awareness about this conspiracy and use our internet platforms for good.
8:07 "They promised to use the land for non-hazardous landfill, but instead dumped chemicals right into the creek." Which seems to bring the moral of: If a corporation is trying to buy land, assume that they will strip away all resources and poison the ground with the most toxic substances in the universe.
Farmer: Excuse me neighbor! I couldn't help but notice you picked pretty much all of my flowers!
DuPont: Can't make a float without flowers...
Farmer: Uh sure enough, but did you have to salt the earth so nothing would grow again?
DuPont: Heh heh heh...yeaa
@@lawnmowerdude lol nice simpsons quote
these people, have polluted all of our systems, all of our bodies with numerous forever chemicals yet they want us to be concerned with the basic building block of life. Anyone else suspicious?
That's the way of lobotomized , penny saving corporate clowns.
Indeed accurate assessment.
You could've included Teflon poisoning in birds. People literally had their parakeets die on the spot from inhaling the PTFE fumes wafting from their pans.
that's why they have the warning :) from that i knew to keep myself away from teflon pans.
@@Nobody-Nowherepeople used the for decades with no issues . You just have to pay attention
@@Nobody-Nowhere I didn't have good results with a steel pan for scrambled egg vs. teflon, but when I decided to buy a rice cooker with a nice teflon bowl, I was blessed with getting a messed up product twice, not only because I stopped cooking rice regularly shortly after, but also because I realized that a steel cooking pot worked just as well as long as I washed the rice and set the pot on low heat after the water reached boiling phase. (I was using brown rice, though. It's overall healthier.)
Birds have more sensitive lungs than mammals, tolerating less smoke of any kind. A parakeet can die from frying fumes from an old cast iron skillet as well.
I had a parakeet as a kid and it died randomly for no reason. I fed and watered her every day. I came home one day and she was on the bottom of the cage covered in bugs. 😭
I've always suspected Teflon is a poison. I stopped using pots and pans lined with purported nonstick coating when I noticed how they eventually deteriorate with continuous exposure to high heat and lose their nonstick properties. I told my wife that we're basically eating burned paint and must stop using her favorite pots and pans if she doesn't want to die early. I just hope it's not too late yet😳😳😳
you'll be fine. good thing to start now though.
It is not just in teflon pans you will get this. Mosy greese resistant food wrappers (for instance in microwave popcorn bags or takeawy) will have these chemicals in them. No need to panick though
@@jP6K8vUU I'm not worrying about it anymore because I don't use teflon or any kind of painted pots and pans. I know how to cook without them and what I'm using can be easily cleaned with stainless steel wool. I might just live longer than expected now!😀
Is that new volcanic rock coating similar?
I live in Roanoke (pronounced Row-Ah-Noke) and frequently go to Christiansburg and Blacksburg so seeing Elliston being listed was a shock. Found out the company is called ProChem that's been dumping GenX into the South Fork of the Roanke River (which feeds a Hollow for drinking water). Figured that at this point we would've banned dumping chemicals into the rivers because of how polluted the Roanoke River already is.
We moved here when I was a kid and the first time I ever went fishing with my dad we were told by his coworkers to only catch and release them because everyone that ate the fish from the Roanoke River in the 80s and 90s would without fail get some rare aggressive cancer and die. There used to not be signs on the river saying this so we were fortunate to know people that told us this. To this day and for years to come I'm sure the Roanoke River will be off limits from eating the fish.
Back in Louisiana where we moved from the Mississippi River from Baton Rouge to the Gulf is called "Cancer Alley" for the same reasons when big chemical companies dumped waste into the river making places like New Orleans have abnormally high cancer rates. Even though the EPA banned most of this dumping in the 70s and 80s a lot of those chemicals will be in the Mississippi for more than 1000 years.
Tragic.
It happens everywhere. We just know about a few
personally i think the indians were way more civillised
When the Ohio lawsuit was in process they tried to find a human that did not have PFOA's in the bloodstream. They only found one tribe in the South Pacific whose blood was not tainted by PFOA's. That is the definition of a forever chemical!
Well it's a scary thought, how it spreads
Because it's a tribe that doesn't use the water treatment system
I saw a movie about this decades ago its awful & yet our government allows the rich elite to posion citizens of every nation so as the rich wef davos scum & ccp who un came up with CLIMATE FRAUD AGENDA (actually princes charles of uk ) to opress every nation to keep anyone from filing law suits the rich came up with climate fraud agenda it's used to opress every citizen in every nation & almost every government going along with it to opress us all.
@alexyo2440 Yesn't; It is not cause of lack of water treatment ; but because it's so far away from industrial society
@@alexyo2440That's too overspecific. It's a more general answer in the same category.
Why isn't it simply forbidden for companies to dump ANYTHING into bodies of water? (as it is where I live)
$$$$$$
*me Krabs voice*
'MONEY, SPONGEBOB!'
USA is fundamentally corporate run. Thats why.
Atthe end of the day, lobbying is just legalized corruption. Thus bullshit like this happens, when its profitable.
USA == wild west
I thin it would hold up production to much
I work in the water industry and this has been on our radars for about a decade. Ahhhh, the joys of modern life…
Someone I knew used to work for DuPont in the management from 1980s to 2000s. He was not aware of the risks, and often shared to me proudly of DuPont's no waste to environment policies, safety measurements. He even travelled to diff factories around the world to facilitate the measures. Now that I think back, perhaps some of those were just for shows, but I do believe that most employees, different from few decision makers, firmly believe in what they were doing is for a better future.
Greed destroys everything. Can you imagine producing a product that you discover will kill people when used as directed and then not only continuing to produce said product but hiding the research that shows you knew it was deadly?
Its called capitalism. It was the profit incentive that caused this.
@@Nobody-Nowhere
100%
This is not a bug.
It is a feature.
And remember everyone, unless you own capital, you are not a capitalist.
You are a laborer, and if you think otherwise you have fallen for propaganda.
DuPont needed a new product to market after Agent Orange was no longer required.
It literally killed no one you fool
@@Simon.the.Likeablemoron this was on the marked 30 years before agent orange but I wouldn’t expect a communist to know anything
There was a pfos and pfas scandal in Sweden recently too.
3M and Dupont put these chemicals into fire extinguishers as well. So after years of fire stopping exercises in certain areas by the Swedish fire brigade, the stuff had contaminated the ground water of the local areas, polluting the inhabitants with it who drank water from the wells and the local water treatment plants.
same in Australia, firefighters have disproportionate levels of cancers and autoimmune disorders. They've come up with a great idea to reduce PFOA in their blood by donating blood or plasma regularly, and the medics think that recipients of this donated blood aren't under any particular risk of maxing out 'safe' blood PFOA levels, I'm not not sure how it's possible.
It's crazy how a Melbourne firefighter Mick Tisbury, who investigated and made public all these issues, was harassed by his colleagues for pushing to have an old firefigter training facility closed down, it had gotten super contaminated over the years. They threatened him, blew up his letterbox a few times and killed his pets, a dog and after that - a miniature pet pig. Apparently some people prefer death from cancer to being unemployed.
People working in ports and airports, using these fire extinguishers, are also more exposed to these chemicals.
There was also a recent pfos and pfas scandal around the 3M plant in Zwijndrecht, Belgium. There is a high cancer rate there.
The air force base's fire fighters did the same in my city in Australia.
We have the same problem near a firefighter and military training ground near the airport in Madison, WI. Fun times to be alive
I had not heard of that till now. Thanks for the information.
I live in the US and near one of DuPonts oldest incursions in Delaware. Im consistently surprised that no one seems to be aware of just how ridiculously brazen this company has always acted. And they've yet to be punished at all. Drives me crazy
Appreciate You putting this all together for us. Really nicely done.
In 1966 my mom burnt a Teflon skillet and toxic smoke filled our house. For two days I couldn’t get a full breath even after the smoke had been eliminated. My beloved parakeet “Pete” died. My mom never bought Teflon again.
Learnt abt Dupont Teflon back at school in 1979 in home science class
I still use my mom's Revereware stainless steel pans from the 1960s, she was to scared of Teflon.
rip Pete 😢
Burnt? How do you burn a pan?
Do you use teflon pans?
@@eckankar7756 I don't understand how can you use stainless steel pans. You can't fry anything well. Everything sticks to it so easily. If you tried making scrambled eggs on it, you would probably have to clean it with a grinder.
I'll never understand how the individuals within companies are not held accountable for crimes they commit through a company.
Additionally, if a company is considered its own entity akin to a person, why can it not be punished as such? or even more simply, if a company causes large scale damage or break established laws, why is it not just forcefully shut down?
With these kinds of cases, i always wonder, "what would the consequences be if a privatte person did this?" and the answer is almost always lifelong concecutive jail sentences, we should hold companies and tthe individuals within them equally accountable.
I suppose the corporation system was designed to avert consequences and the governments and lawmakers decided to go along with it because of where their back-handers were coming from.
It's not a bug it's a feature.
It is okay for them to do it, because we(civilians) are their project to experiment on.
We as civilians can not do what they do, because we aren't allowed to harm or kill their experiment and or product. Which is why rules/laws are enforced heavily on civilians; and not 'them.'
If a corporation is punished as a single entity the workers will always take the brunt of it. Lay offs, wage cuts etc.
It's all due to the roots of the USA in mafia and terrorism and generally honorless conduct. The savagery has tradition. And this continues because *corruption is a grassroots movement* and many people are still cheering for the problem and believe that more of the same is the solution.
In Belgium 3M was also dumping PFAS in the river Schelde and the effects are stretching into the Netherlands.
As I get older I'm more and more amazed at how many illegal and terrible things are allowed to happen just because.
What happened with this, and the lack of any real consequences, made me completely give up on the system we have now. A company can poison the world and just go on its merry way.
Just like fauci. Burks and biden.
@@sailingsolo5290And Trump, and everyone. You are blinding yourself by thinking only one group is bad while the other is sane; wants what best for our health, etc. EVERYONE in power is fucking corrupt. All of them.
@@sailingsolo5290don't bring your covid misinformation here man
@@sailingsolo5290 You vaping teflon or what's wrong with your brain?
When people say "they're trying to kill us!!!!" I say, " No they are not!!!!! They ARE killing us, ". Sheesh, it ain't a secret anymore now, is it?
We used have a Teflon pot, cooked soup in it lots of times, thought the soup must have had pepper in it, later realised it was bits of Teflon coming of the pot.
I never noticed the black flecks. Just realized one day that my black teflon pan is now only black on the sides.
My family was poor growing up and all our pans were second hand, they were all scratched to hell, some older than me. We would also have bits come off in our food, or some pots would burn badly. Now that were in our 30s and 40s we have various health issues and autoimmune diseases.
rip
@@joshfacio9379 Autoimmune issues here too buddy. Brought to you by Pfizer.
it is fine teflon is harmles
I love my cast iron pans. After years of good care, they’re basically non stick with years of avocado oil seasoning. Those are my most used. After that are my stainless steel.
As a young, woman I had several pots and baking pans and various other grilling and electric cooking devices made with the Teflon non-stick coating (pie maker, electric wok, sandwich press, slow cooker, pressure cooker etc). All of these would wear after some time and start to peel. At times I know that I have eaten food with fragments of this plastic like coating in it. I have also been overcome from the toxic fumes. Now I wonder what damage I have not only done to myself over all of the years being naive to the dangers but I mostly worry about the possible harmful health effects to my 2 children. It truely is despicable these companies operated knowing these findings and that they are still in business today. There needs to be much harsher punishments put in place going ahead. I’m all for prison time for any executives found to have knowledge of these disgusting, selfish company actions and who choose to turn a blind eye. People over profit always!
I used to work for a carpet cleaning company (in the last 5 years). One of the most common services was a light misting of teflon on all carpet after the cleaning, followed up by raking it into the fibers. They changed products from teflon after it became common knowledge in my area that it caysed cancer, which is very recent. Crazy to think the health effects it likely had on people and their pets after 30 years of spraying it in almost every square foot of their home.
even without PFOA polyester and polypropylene carpets release tons of microplastics.
The only Teflon I respect was John Gotti. One well dressed man.
Has it been proven that Teflon itself is carcinogenic? This video only went over the cancer causing by-products of its production
Which is weird, since teflon itself is pretty inert and non-toxic at your typical carpet temperatures.
@@felixmoore6781outdated reasoning
It's crazy how many things from that time we're still suffering from
and think about how many things now are unknowingly causing harm for who knows how long into the future.
@@notyou6674"unknowingly"
But he said explicitly, in the first few seconds, that it wasn't necessarily harmful.
"that time"?
this is fucking now
plastiiiiiiic is in our bloodstreams
For once I’m so glad that I grew up in a poor Caribbean household where we just had a Dutch pot and one large stainless steel pot for soup 🙏🏾🇯🇲
Now if only it weren't also in the water f
Living downriver from the Washington works I applied for a job there mid 70's. Played in the Ohio river and boated since the 60's. During droughts we'd haul water from the Ohio river for our dairy. The water discharge into the Ohio river was huge and I'd marvel how much water was coming out when passing in a boat. Amazing they got away with that for so long.
One person leaks chemicals, they go to prison.
A company does it, they have a small mark on their balance sheets after 20 years of investigations.
Seriously, how are none of their execs in prison? A monetary fine is not enough for these ghouls unless you take them for everything they got, and then some.
100 years in prison would be best
Tobacco use is just as bad
They will always say some of those lines:
"When the project started, [somebody else] was in charge."
"During the meeting we raised some concerns, but we were told that risk is very low and any damage can happen only if the product will be used incorrectly."
"There is a perfectly satisfactory explanation for everything, but security forbids its disclosure." (probably will add something about government/military.
"It has only gone wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budget which have stretched supervisory resources beyond the limits." (again, can be blamed on government)
"It occurred before certain important facts were known, and couldn't happen again."
"It was an unfortunate lapse by an individual which has now been dealt with under internal disciplinary procedures."
And it is damn hard to prove any of those false.
@@angussoutter7824should put in prison and make all their utensils cup plates etc everything out of Teflon for them.
The concept of "a company" has been invented exactly to limit liability. It is the main thing. Some people with a lot of cash asked governments "i want to make more money but I don't want to be liable". And this is what you get. They are not liable with their money, and as it seems not even with jail time. P.S. It is not a problem of only individuals that manage the company, but shareholders as well. The shareholders will always wouch for the most profitable approach, even if it is an "operating expense at the cost of human health".
Companies that do this are criminals, and their CEOs should be in jail.
No chance how many stories of something like this come to light all they get is a fine.
@@brendanroberts1310 Other option is m*rder or send them to Siberia.
@@valar_euphoriants5898 I agree just pointing out the unfortunate reality, money talks.
Thanks for posting this.
Bravo to this truth you are exposing here! I have subscribed and hit the bell and I will be sharing this everywhere!
I can always count on Georg to cheer me up.
Georg Rockall-Schmidt You should have titled this video, "How Dupont Poisoned the World," then listed its CEOs over the last 60 years. Anything else lets them off the hook.
Assassinations need to become more common
God, if that's so, you're a bundle of laughs! Subbing. Also, this video should have been titled, "Yet more people not tried in The Hague..."
you can be a cheerful corpse, if you wish to.
@@penelopegreene Hague? Do you mean Geneva suggestions?
As a boy in the UK my school trousers were teflon coated to prevent rips and tears.
It’s also become a trend in cooking to move away from non-stick pans for exactly the reasons listed.
I still managed to rip the knee on my pants
However, we did invent non stick pans a long time ago, it was as basic as put some butter in the skillet😐
May I ask whether you have children of your own?
Good old 70s 80s school trousers pittynthe Teflon didn't block the anemic ginger headed kids deadly farts
You sir are a phenomenal chronicler of the shapes and contours of the mess we collectively find ourselves in. 💐 🌹
Well documented and researched
Dupont never stopped using C8. They just renamed it throughout the years. It's still affecting people to this day. 😢
If a company causes Negative externalities it should pay for them to be mitigated.
"I disagree on the grounds that I can afford to." - Legal expert.
and thats why they spend so much money trying to gut the regulatory agencies. Even if it's their legal responsibility to do so, if they can avoid being caught or being compelled, they'll do that instead
Pay for the damage they caused? That's just crazy talk. 😤
We should be throwing the execs in prison and handing these companies over to the workers. They have the lawsuits and fines priced in at this point
It's not a fine. It's the Government asking for their cut of the racket
Well done sir.
Ha, I used to work at a shrimp pound in Newfoundland.
The safety manager saw clumps of teflon mixed in with the outgoing shrimp and tried to have that load dumped for contamination.
She was escorted off the grounds and fired that very day.
MrEarlSwift
They give you a job to do , you do it to the best of your ability and are Fired for doing so! Go figure , pretty sad
"Mistake" implies that not criminally charging these executives was a good-faith decision and not "regulators" willfully protecting the status quo.
Absolutely epic point! Cheers ❤
Indeed. Which I do not know was not the case.
Cheers!
Its the chemical dumping that concerns me. To do such a thing is sociopathic.
Welcome to human leadership.
The sad thing about human psychology is that it isn't sociopathic. Things that seem far away seem less relevant to us. Furthermore, corporate structures facilitate white collar crime and dampen the emotional impact even more.
The leaders and the workers are all cut from the same stock. That is why I don't believe that individual responsibility is enough to save our planet. We need to make laws that force ourselves to behave responsibly. Which is easier said than done.
I remember when my mom bought the first Teflon pan in our house. It used to shed flakes into the food. I remember being served eggs with little black flakes of Teflon scattered throughout them and being told that it's fine and not to worry.
And you are still fine after injesting it
I've read it harmless if some Chips are in you're food. Its toxic when heated to a really high temp and burns off. Supposedly you just crap it out. I was making a Huge Pot of Spaghetti when i noticed little chips in it so i went down a Teflon rabbit hole but everything i read said it wouldn't hurt you.
Ewww
That is the main reason I threw out all my teflon pans. When I realized it chips away flakes into food I nearly puked.
@@adamking4246it would take millions of dollars and extensive research to be sure something like that is safe, whoever told you this is lying. dont be tolerant on chemicals
This is the same energy as car manufacturers choosing not to do recalls. It ends up being cheaper to just pay fines and settle lawsuits from dead/injured customers or other victims when the cars malfunction than to properly fix them.
"The Devil We Know" has to be one of my favorite documentaries. It's frightening to realize that this dangerous chemical is used literally EVERYWHERE for EVERYTHING.
I'll check it out. Thanks.
Now go down the rabbit hole of how our food is poisoning us and how the government allows it.
Including neurosurgery. I have it in my head.
@@randomhumanoidblob4506 Can I ask you for more precision as to how you got it surgically in your head? Thanks in advance
@@what_s_that_question_mark Probably Teflon coatings on something. It's non-reactive, so perfect for stuffing inside your body and having it stay there without your immune system throwing a fit.
All I could think about during this video was people who spent every waking moment making sure they are as healthy as possible, tuning their bodies like machines all hours of the day. They could have been born right next to the factory, drank contaminated water, and then 30 years later they are devastated to find out they have liver failure, cancer, any unfortunate side effect from these chemicals. That's heart breaking in a way to realize without these big corporations disposing properly, we have less control over even our own health.
The same people who are proudly using their 'healthy' air fryers, which are Teflon coated.
@@smike9884 Haha, that's a great point! Even if you try to escape it, you might not realize it's there.
and then the patient is blamed.
@@smike9884 great point, also steam and rice cookers
Thank you so much Brother
EPA probably shouldn't hire former Dupont excecs if we want this to stop. Also, the reason the fines are so small is because Dupont pays way more in campaign contributions so politicians dont create stiffer fines.
I lost several beloved pet birds due to teflon fumes which I did not know were toxic.
I now use nothing but stainless steel or cast iron.
Some of the youtubers converged into full investigating journalism over the years even though they started out with a different thematics.... and Im all here for them.
In the meantime, real journalists be like : "noooo you can't read wikileaks :("
@@garak55
'real' journalists
@@the1necromancer AKA fake news pawns.
Cool, thank you for the research & doco
Outstanding expository
We should open up criminal liability on these CEO’s. If you want to take credit for company improvements and make absurd amounts of money doing it, you should at least be semi-responsible for the bad decisions you sign off on by default. If I poisoned a water supply, I would be jailed without a second thought.
Lol have fun making that happen
@@dragons_red I seriously think we’re beyond repair. The people with the power to change those laws are the ones making the money. We’re doomed
@@vt8414 In Switzerland, we recently had a popular initiative called "Konzernverantwortungsinitiative", which translates to "Initiative for corporate responsibility". It would have forced Swiss companies to respect Swiss human rights laws and environmental protection laws in their operations abroad, including operations of subcontractors and suppliers.
50.7% of the people accepted the initiative, but it failed because the yes votes were too concentrated in a few cantons (=states) so the majority of cantons said no.
The moral of the story is that even if ordinary people could change those laws, they might not.
The rich and the poor, the weak and the powerful, we are all humans with the same kinds of flaws.
But we are not doomed. Currently, we as a people aren't doing enough to stop the destruction of the planet, because, for most of us, the problems seem far away. This *will* change, and then we will put all our human ingenuity into solving the problems, and we can still succeed. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I will never say it is too late before I *know* that it is too late.
It's the big corporations that rule the world and decide the laws. Governments and politicians are just puppets in the big game.
We should open up criminal liability for shareholders who expect CEOs to always make more money no matter the legality of it. Oh wait, they are liable if their company breaches the law, but when are they prosecuted? I've given up hope in this world's governments, I'm waiting for God's Kingdom. Revelation 11:18; Matthew 24:3-14
the fact that to test the toxicity of PFOA they made people smoke cigarettes laced with the compound. its insane....
fantastic clip,tnx
the DuPont plant was just up the river from my hometown (Parkersburg) Cancer is rampant in the area and we’ve all tested extremely high in these chems (C-8) in body, blood.
The real punishment would be to take the executives and middlemen who ordered these chemicals dumped into the water supply and force them to drink down some of what they had dumped.
Good enough for the rest of us to drink eh?
I think it would be far more effective to remove them from the company, after fining them the sum of their bank accounts, with restrictions to prevent them from ever running another business and be forced to have to live in one of these communities they polluted with an ankle "bracelet" to be monitored by the people of the community. Bet they don't live very long!
They would make good test subjects for experiments in the toxicity of these Frankenstein molecules
And yet they want people to believe their lies about our tap water being safe? I wouldn't touch the USA's tap water with a ten foot pole, as far as drinking it is concerned
Lived in Minnesota and what 3M did there is catastrophic. And they employee so many people that people defend their dumping of forever chemicals all over the state. Its unbelievable.
Minnesota? More like, New Somalia.
@@VegetoStevieD Yeas, third world country deserves third world conditions.
@@abandonlife111 Yes, but Minnesota doesn't deserve to be overtaken by the third world.
Both of my Grandfathers lived in Minneapolis before it became known as Murderapolis.
By the time I had left, Murderapolis had found its way well into the Northwest Suburbs.
New Somalia is where your people get murdered as "not all of them do that".
The Orcs must be driven out of Viking territory for Minnesota to survive. New Somalia must fall.
@@VegetoStevieD Well at least let them have a mini-enclave there. Build up a dense population before we wall it off and napalm it, lol.
@@VegetoStevieDI see your grandfathers drank too much of that 3M water.
very clear good work thank u
Thank you!
The fact they are still in business is insane. And Teflon is just their latest poisoning, they were also the ones selling lead for gasoline
What the lead don’t kill the Teflon will.
dupont isn’t as bad as our own corrupt commie government, the nazi navy has killed more than anyone
Dupont? Oh my sweet summer child, there are far worse.
@@ColonizerChanAnd? They fucked an entire generation.
@@ColonizerChan😂😅😂😅😂😅 exactly, nuclear, chemical and biological and so on... Americans research organization... Half of the world insert their bristles in their mouth daily sending chemical deep inside cavities...
I was born, grew up, and still live in Parkersburg, WV and both my parents worked for DuPont while I was growing up. My mother worked on the Teflon line and my father was a researcher. I went into the plant multiple times for a take your kids to work day and it was very interesting to see the insides as a kid. Its wild looking back at this and remembering hearing my parents defend Teflon and claiming it was perfectly fine and all the talk about cancer was overblown. They really both were a bit too committed to the company and still are.
As a person who lives in that area and has first hand experience with it here are some interesting things you missed.
- In the late 2000's there was a large scale blood testing survey in the area in which researchers paid residents to draw their blood to check for the levels of chemicals in our blood level. I remember taking part in it because my parents gave me 20 dollars spending money for it and the rests into a college fund.
- Chemors/Dupont have several nature areas they look after in the area that they used to try to help clean up their image in the community. They are pretty mediocre and used mainly for recreational areas rather than conservation. That being said, the semi-public pool has a very nice deep end. I can say this because I worked on one of them during the summer several times as a teenagers.
- Not totally related to Dupont, but still tangential, there is a warning system in the area for if a chemicals plant blows up. This is due to the Shell plant in nearby Belpre, Ohio having a major explosion in 1994, causing some level of chemical fall out for the citizen. I remember this because we used to have to do drills at school where we would shelter in place and the teachers would tape up all the windows and doors so the chemicals wouldn't get in should it happen again.
WV?
@@yoshimajestic1666 West Virginia. Is OP referring to the wrong Parkersburg or something?
@@camelopardalis84 Thanks. No I just had no idea what WV meant
@@yoshimajestic1666 Now you do, then!
The Dordrecht plant (Netherlands) was and still is just as bad, or even worse. I was born 700 m from the plant, and my elementary school (still open!) is less than 200 m from the plant. Almost certain my life expectancy is lower than normal because of it.
Another deterrent would be to not punish a company based on the damage but with a percentage of the company value. If a company gas to pay 25% of its value in penalty, that would hurt them enough to get their act together.
great video, thank you !
The big wigs should be made to drink the chemicals they are going to dump before they dump them
They're interdimension lizard demons so they'd probably be fine.
These settlements are all less than it would have cost them to properly dispose of toxic materials and much much less than they made while knowingly being evil. They still saved money. Industrial fines need to be much much more severe.
d e a th penalty, that's the only appropriate outcome to those evil people operating those evil corporations and politicians who cover up for them
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great work
Absolutely disgusting behavior by the corporations, driven by greed!
Of course it's DuPont. They should be held liable for crimes against humanity.
DuPont laid out the blueprint for Pfizer and Moderna.
So should Obama, George Bush, and Biden.
@@jeffw8218So basically every US president in the last 30 years?
@@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943 All except Trump, he didn’t start any new wars, and he tried to wind down the war in Afghanistan.
But yes all the others including Bill Clinton too.
I was thinking the same thing. It is on the scale of a slow genocide.
There was a recent exposé here in the Netherlands of the Chemours plant in Dordrecht. Now all of the surface water in the area is polluted. We're not supposed to swim in the water within a 50 km radius of the plant or eat the fruit and vegetables, and we're still waiting to hear if it's in the drinking water and how much. I grew up in the US, so I'm used to toxic chemicals all over the place, but I had hoped that the environmental and health regulations here would be better.
At least they tell you not to eat, drink, or swim in the Netherlands.
I live less than 10 miles from 2 different superfund sites and we have many farms around here that everyone eats from, multiple lakes that everyone swims in, and nobody is ever truly informed of just how bad the pollution is. You've gotta go digging to find that knowledge.
@raysperl6816 so true
We MUST start boycotting these companies, put pression to prosecute, regulate and stop this shit
nothing will ever happen by legal terms, yall north americans who have guns should wage war and terror against multinationals, for the world sake
Unfortunately, you can't really go after any executives as long as they can legally claim that their corporation is a 'person', and the responsible party
Salomonic judgment: Then put the corporation in prison.
Dupont: We're going to safely dispose of this extremely hazardous stuff!
*Dupont proceeds to literally dispose of the material in the most widely hazardous way possible*
PFAS is the current focus of our drinking water testing and processing at work.. And it's EVERYWHERE.
Its moments like this its hard to believe you cant do evil that good may come from it, the high ups at these companies are monsters
There is a similar scandal going on in Belgium right now. I live in the Netherlands were they also used to dump it in the water. It got closed and the waste transported to an waste treatment plant for PFOA's in Antwerpen. But then it turned out PFOA's were also being dumped in the water!
It turns out it is reeaally hard to destroy these chemicals completely and the little that leaks out is already waay more than dangerous levels for the entire Westerschelde (an inland sea). So the fish is toxic and the Samphire is toxic! It is worrying how much land and sea can be poisoned by just a little of this hardy molecule.
Inderdaad , ik leef in Gent , Belgium en we zijn allemaal bewust van dit
I used to live in the far west of Germany, close to Roermond and Aachen. I took my sons to swim and fish in Limburg and Vlaanderen. It's such a lovely region, where the three countries come together, also so nice people there. Imagining, that these places with all the clean nature, which has been granting us so many days of pleasure and delight, are now being ruined, really breaks my heart. 😟😢
In Germany they dump all the asbestos they can find into the baltic sea for the new LNG terminals for Biden-liquid gas tankers. Pretty sure the people get money for "getting rid" and "recycling" this asbestos from the gouvernment. Other industrial waste and toxic soil too.
@@lisasternenkind6467 unregulated capitalism, baby.
When Georg Rockall-Schmidt is a far more legitimate Jountslist than all of the mainstream media.... I dont have a snappy quip. That's just a statement.
Excellent work, Georg. This blows my mind. Liked and shared. Keep up the great work.
Godspeed.
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Outstanding !!
The 3M company is based in Saint Paul Minnesota not far from where I live. There is ground water contamination in multiple areas east of Saint Paul including under an old farm I rent storage barns on. They have mapped the entire path of the chemicals including depth as it makes it’s way to the Saint Croix river. There are lots of cancer cases in Cottage Grove Minnesota which is southeast of Saint Paul. The world should just stick to buying iron cooking pans.
Everything has to be better easier and faster. Like 5G.4G was fine. But nope they have to blast us with more radiation
Growing up, a friends mom had a cockatoo. Pretty annoying animal.
I was over at that friends house the afternoon another friend had gone upstairs to boil water for mac&cheese. Few hours later, after someone realized we hadnt heard the bird squawk... We went upstairs to be investigate and found the cockatoo dead in the bottom of the cage.
Friend had put an empty teflon pot on the burner and forgot the water and forgot it was on the stove. Teflon had cooked off.
Damn. That's scary. Canary in a coal mine.
It’s unnecessary to call an innocent animal annoying when humans are monsters.
@@starchannel123 one day... you'll grow up and get some real problems and it'll be hilarious.
When you die, I hope it's in a dumb way.
@@starchannel123 Your comment was equally or more so unnecessary.
@@wills.5762 23 to 11 (so far with update) monsters still ahead but it appears that annoying birds do have some fans out there, albeit a minority.
Thanks Reagan.
I live on the coast of the Netherlands, where the river Western Scheldt and the North Sea meet. Thanks to 3M I now swim in seawater enriched with PFAS 🥰
Our family lived in Parkersburg for 3 + 1/2 years in the early mid fifties. I have aches in my legs and can barely stand for very long. I just had my prostate removed and feel fortunate to be alive from all the pollution that is in the world. We escaped Parkersburg but what a horror it is for so many ~
Who doesn't love a pan that adds black sprinkles to the food?
I mean, every pan breaks off in your food a little bit. It's just you want a pan that breaks off into food, rather than poison. A cast iron pan surely leaves more black specs, but they're nutritious
I work for a company that has systems to clean up the PFAS chemicals in Industrial & municipal water systems removing i believe 99.7% of this hazard . Calgon Carbon in Pittsburgh Pa .If i remember correctly we actually have systems installed in Parkersburg WV handling this situation.
Wonderful story
Not only do publicly traded companies like Dupont have "no incentive to stop doing this" in actual fact it would be ILELGAL for them to stop doing such things. If they factor in that the fines they will pay will be less than the cost of not polluting then the act of not polluting would be choosing to lose money for shareholders, which would get them in actual serious legal trouble with Wall Street.
Is this why you have the "They Live" icon for your avatar. It reminds me hearing depressing truth about the Adam Freeland remix... ua-cam.com/video/_WTBkj8gFfI/v-deo.html
It would not be illegal as long as a better alternative to keep the money flowing is found. Except that takes effort
And therein lies the root of the problem.
I can't help but ask, if there are shareholders that own stock in chemicals that pollute millions, can't they be compensated in some way with being paid the amount their stock is worth or with shares in other products that may not even be on the market yet? Is my "uneducated" understanding wrong that anyone investing in the stock market knows it's a risk they're taking with their money?
@@Zoobamafoo You're uneducated except you have experience with foresight and taking a look ahead. Education is only over things that already happened experience isn't
These things are going on, and my doctor friend still is adamant that more cancer cases just mean more identified, due to better tools of today, compared to the olden days when the same amount simply went undetected. And i can tell him nothing to make him think otherwise. I'll always be the under educated moron in his eyes.
Are you sure he seems you a moron rather than just mistaken?
Its both in this case
We have better detection and can detect it better.
But also OOH BOY. We have way too many things around us that damage our DNA.
If he thinks such a thoughtful person is an "uneducated moron", he ISN'T your friend. But you knew that.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled - Mark Twain What they believe has become as a religion . I have a friend who still believes mainstream Media .
Same here except that he knows that I am smart as he is. 😊