Thrustmaster SF1000 - premium wheel with too many faults?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Here's my view on the latest Thrustmaster add-on wheel, bit critical but in my opinion the consumers should expect high quality at the price point TM is selling it.
00:10 - intro
02:10 - Grips
04:28 - Carbon Fibre plate
06:18 - Screen
09:00 - Buttons and rotaries
10:57 - Paddle shifters
13:19 - Clutch paddles
15:54 - Quick Release
16:53 - Final thoughts
The quick release mod is now available for this wheel, you can find the files here: petermakesthings.co.uk/produc... - Наука та технологія
Sounds like he works for Fanatec haha
I didn't know about this wheel! Thanks for the new video :)
Good, honest review! Nice to see a critical take on this wheel.
I still plan on getting it, and I'm very relieved to hear you're designing a quick-release for it!
I have 4 different TM-rims and your quick-release has been a total lifesaver.
Thank you so much Peter!!
Very nice review. glad you showed the limitation of the wheel, im in process of building amstudio wheel, is hard work but think ill be happy having something ive made and tweeked myself
I have been using the old F1 wheel with no mods for like 3 years. I like it, though I would really like to upgrade to a more premium feel wheel, however I really don't want to give up rotaries as well as the rocky shifter. That means this is really the only relatively affordable wheel I might end up with when it comes out properly and the dash will work with all sims. There are obviously higher quality after market wheels one can buy but they are very very VERY expensive compared to this one. As much as I am a fan of Ferrari sometimes I wish TM released a wheel with lots of buttons and neutral branding.
Hey thank you for the tip of the tennis grips I may try that! I was also thinking of getting it upholstered I have the old Ferrari wheel
I have this steering wheel. Im in the process of getting another replacement one because buttons have fallen off. They have a twist lock cover which doesnt seem to stay locked very well. Plastic is a few microns too thin where it should be thicker to lock securely i think. Amazing to use but im constantly Worrying a button will fall off mid race again..
Seems a fair and balanced review for its time. For anyone unsure one year on I can say that the screen compatibility has improved and works seamlessly with Assetto Corsa Competizione. Enjoying the experience using this wheel and I am interested to check out the quick release options that were mentioned in the review.
Only if you're on PC. Maybe Playstation. On Xbox, the screen only works on Formula 1 games, and in that instance, the in-game mfd screens don't show up at all. This is even AFTER Thrustmaster claimed full compatibility for Horizon 5. I contacted them, and they confirmed that only F1 works on Xbox but claimed there were new updates coming. When I asked what and when they told me there's no info. Seeing that there's only ever been 1 update ever for this wheel, I'm guessing there won't be another one, ever. I feel like all of this was misrepresented in their product descriptions and I feel like I got got. I'm very reluctantly quiting their ecosystem entirely, and going to have to buy an entire new setup, because I cannot support a company that just settles for, "eh... that's good enough." I will never buy another Thrustmaster product ever again, just based on this purchase. I'm just thankful I bought directly from them so got it as cheap as possible.
So I’m curious than what you would recommend for someone looking into starting a new Sim set up, open wheel, for use on Xbox, within a similar price range for what you can do with this?
Little late but definitely the g29 (29 on ps4) but on Xbox it’s a different number on the website on logitech
Peter can you convert it to stand alone usb to use on other wheel bases?
wish I had the skills to do that... theoretically it's possible but you'd need somebody way smarter than me :D
I understand that grip is difficult with sweaty hands but when racing you use gloves. The sharp edges on the screen are indeed not good, but those are places you never touch. because you just break the screen. Gloves are the solution to that problem. That it only works with F1 is normal because it is a Formula 1 wheel but I understand your frustration. The thing is that it is such a new technology that, for example, a gran tourismo that is quite old cannot handle this new software. The telemetry has been sent to the screen with a signal and that is difficult because it has to be correct at 0.001 of a second. By the way, if you only see the Thrustmaster and Ferrari logo, it is because the settings are not correct or you are in home menu / not in game.
agree, using gloves solves all the rough edge problems, but I wanted to highlight it because it's silly they couldn't file a few edges on their most expensive wheel, I also get your point re telemetry on consoles, this is probably the main reason they limited the support, but PC has loads of games in which you can drive F1 cars and provide full telemetry
You shouldn't have to wear gloves. I cannot for the life of me get my head around people feeling like they need to wear gloves and shoes.... it's a video games, you're not gonna set on fire.
@@Jay1787 The gloves do give more grip. I don't wear a shoe myself, but I can see why you would.
Pedals can be sharp and if your foot/toes get in them it can be painful. therefore shoes as protection.
your BASE can indeed catch fire if it gets too hot (it happens exceptionally and if you block the cooling system with your hands or sticker.)
I don't mind the rim. Comparing it to my Formula V2, it's actually very comparable in terms of quality, with a screen as well, and now deals are popping up I got it with a pretty significant price saving. For the price I bought it at, it's a no brainer for me.
Though I'm passing on the T-Chrono add on, for some reason it's priced at 1/3rd the price of the total rim itself where I am, no way I'm touching that. Bizzare.
From looking at the grips I feel I would like them
Finally’ a trusted guy in this simracing biz tell the truth about this steering wheel
Totally agree
hi Peter,
big fan of your tm quick release, makes hopping into the sim and switching between cars really enjoyable :).
The price point is justified imo, I think you look at it with your engineer and diy mindset, and just see the raw material cost, without the sums TM has to pay in licencing etc.
Building wheels your style will always result in a "better" product than buying something off the shelves at a relatively close price point.
I personally was really hyped when I first saw the wheel, but since I only play iRacing/AC/rFactor this wheel is a big nono, especially if they just add dual clutches just "for the aesthetics" without real use. The amount of encoders just for the screen, and rotery encoders that act as +/- while looking like they would have 12 different positions is just icing on the cake.
This wheel looks perfectly fitting for the average f1 game enjoyer though, all fancy look and very little "sim" substance 😈.
Currently planning an upgrade to a DD base, wanted to wait if thrustmaster has something on the horizon. But seeing that they still use that shitty plastic screw on "quick" release I don't think they have any plans to cash in on the enthusiast market, and are happy staying entry level.
Thanks for the review
where did you get this "button box holder" thingy for the wheelbase from? you can see it at 16:31
it's one of my designs - ua-cam.com/video/5-vEGI9swX0/v-deo.html
@@petermakesthings7342 do you know if it also works on the t300 wheelbase? I know you said it in the video u dont know but its also already 9 months ago
some people commenting on the video confirmed it fits t300
@@SLN124 Yes it fit i have it on my tx. I can send you photo tommorow. Write me PM.
@@mikekapral3174 Question is can I buy it in your store or not? :D
Three years later and I just ordered this. I will put tennis racket tape on it. I rarely put my fingers in any wheel.
Yes it's absolutely worth it imo lol for the experience alone
Great video Peter! Are you going to make a True-QR adapter for this wheel? I already have 2 😅
Yeah, gonna be on kapral store very soon, I'm just struggling with time to make the video
Mine comes tomorrow and will have to buy a TM wheelbase for it. Will be amazing to have a proper wheel & screen in F1. Think the price is fair compared to fanatec wheels.
Dunno if will keep or sell my fanatec clubsport base, first world problems :)
Perfect solution for you would be to have the sf1000 converted to usb and connected to fanatec base :) maybe eventually someone will figure out how to do it...
Mounted and tried out on my PlayseatF1 Pro; I'm happy with my new wheel; I'm on PC eh :)
Surely it's the game devs that have to support the screen. With any luck there will be an API that can be used with third party solutions like SimHub. The grips are a bit disappointing but I did look at Sainz real wheel and that doesn't look much different.
I'm still thinking of getting one, like the review. It's really good to have an honest opinion. Some might consider some of your criticism nitpicking, but that's a good thing, no surprises :) Those clutch levers being sharp is real bad, definitely needs some 600 grit wet and dry paper I think.
It doesn't actually launch till the end of August here. Looks like you got one of the early 1000 limited batch they released early in Europe.
CHeers!
Could you make a QR that would work on fanatec bases?
the QR would probably not be an issue, problem is having the skills to make this wheel work via usb...
@@petermakesthings7342 probably not worth it for me then I use PS5
I agree to 95% of your statements. It's one of the best TM wheels available, but it's absolutly useless (to this time) if you don't play F1 2020. Raceroom is working on an API to get their telemetry data to the wheel, so RRRE will support that wheel in the future. But that brings the next problem. You have only a limited number of skins for the display. TM needs to add some kind of editor to upload custom skins to the wheel, that would also be a great project for the community.
The buttons and rotary encoder are nice, but the paddle shifter is from a Caterpillar or something like that. Heavy and way to loud. I've purchased the T-Chrono, and that are the paddles to go with. 1000% better. TM should think about to sell this wheel in 2 different packages. The "standart" wheel with the magnetic paddles, and a version with the T-Chrono's for 50 bucks more. It's totally stupid to sell them seperate.
I disagree about the price. 349€ is absolutly ok for that wheel. Go and compare with other "mass market" manufacturers. O yes, Logitech and Fanatec do not even have a wheel with a display. It has a CF frontplate, nice tactile buttons and switches, a display and working Led's. For me, 350€ is ok.
You can buy this wheel, if you:
- are a Thrustmaster fanboy (as myself)
- play F1 2020 on PC or PS4/5 and use NATIVE mode for the display. Otherwise (UDP mode for XBOX) you will have to setup a wlan connection and you will have a lag between the game and the display. I've purchased mine from an XBOX user. He had to use WLAN to get the display working in F2020 and had a 7 second (!!!) lag from the game to the display.
In fact i would agree not to buy this wheel by now. Price will drop in the future, and more games will support this wheel. Wait.
A sidenote...Normaly i only play Raceroom and have nothing to do with modern F1. So i had to purchase F1 2020 too and really wanted to get serious about the game. This went well for 10 minutes, then I noticed that there is no option to turn off the virtual steering wheel, so you always see two steering wheels in front of you. Does'nt work at all...
thank you, loads of very valid points, and I strongly believe that over time we will get support for most of the games, they will add bite point on clutch, templates editor etc, but they could have waited a bit and sell a more refined product (or they couldn't because they knew fana will introduce budget DD...) , as for the price - guess it depends on the person, I'm just used to making my own wheels that have screen, leds etc but cost much less :)
Finally someone who haven't tinted Glasses on
Right but he’s also clearly someone that’s held a lot of far more expensive wheels so surely that’s also influencing a negative biased viewpoint, compare this to any of fanatecs F1 wheels (which cost slightly more) they literally have no advantages over this... plus you have to pay £200 extra just to get extra paddles for the hand clutch. Be realistic man.
Except he's still biased because he's owned far more expensive wheels than this. Of course it's not gonna be perfect but it's pretty damn good for the price it's going at right now.
Thanks for that Review, already wondered why there nearly nobody had critics on that wheel.
But as a not native english speaker i have a question 13:36 your talking about somethinbg like "byte point" could you explain what that means?
It is “bite point” and its something on a clutch. You set the bite point when you want to get a perfect launch
@@bkarmark2602 oh yeah thanks, alone the spelling correction helped a lot
Peter, i already mount your quick realease on this whell, no new parts needed
you need one extra piece that goes between the back of the wheel and the 70mm pcd QR, also needs to be a bit longer to allow for comfortable use, it's not a major redesign but minor tweaks are needed for it to work well
@@petermakesthings7342 i already mouted the quickrealease, wokrs fine, but a cut a bit of the "cluch" padles.
Mine already has 2 x dead pixels in screen ! Only had it for 1 day and the "oil " button popped out (easy fix) plus the screw was loose in the right grip ....every thrustmaster item i buy always needs to be returned ! I LOVE the rim but the quality control is rubbish!
Do you know how lucky you are to even get one? 😄 Almost everywere sold out or at a much higher price to buy one. I got lucky also to have it since April 2021 and for me it is really a step up on the Ferrari Add on from 2011 i had. For me only 2 negative: the clutch paddles should have been magnetic also or more resistance spring and the display is not very high resolution. I hope you can do something on the clutch paddles
you can always just replace the spring in clutch, they're pretty easy to take out
@@petermakesthings7342 Thanks for the reply. When you do a "Barry" video of it, i can see how to and try to change them. Did the same on my T-LCM throttle pedal. Looking forward to your video and later on what kind of mods/quick release options you have
Can I buy it off of you? Willing to pay a premium
I think there is a main aspect here that everyone forgets... this wheel is a replica of an F1 steering wheel, licensed by the team which means it has a lot of sentimental value also being a collector's item... hence the price and maybe flaws when you stress test it on other games etc which it has not necessarily been designed and intended for...
Criticism is useful when it is constructive however it is nit-picking only when don't understand the actual value and intended role of the product...
I respect your view but can't fully agree with it, yes many people will be attracted by the fact it's Ferrari replica and will treat it as a collectors item, but bear in mind it's not being advertised as one, they sell it as a fully functional F1 steering wheel that is to be used for simracing. I'm not saying it's a bad wheel, I'm just saying it should be better for the price, or cheaper
And it's not a very good replica, the real thing uses rotary switches, not encoders. It also uses a carbon layout body, not a flat plate and plastic rear
@@ACochrane I'm sure it also doesn't cost £300... I think you guys missing the point... thrustmaster is knowingly by gamers far from the quality brands such as fanatec etc however this does reflect on their mass product pricing... all I'm saying is that pro sim racers will not turn to a thrustmaster product over the greater brands but on the other hand more casual players will appreciate the sentimental value at this price point and nevertheless will have a better racing experience if compared to other lower quality wheels or even the previous f1 replica wheel add-on... and yes I think for that purpose thrustmaster nailed it with this wheel...
Sometimes I think it's just better to appreciate that an item such as this one exists and available for anyone to buy rather than looking for faults why it doesn't worth its price tag... keeps it simple..
Can anyone tell me when it will be on the market?
Nobody knows when the second batch ship to the market , maybe September 2021
More batches has already been released as I managed to get mine from amazon.de weeks after the release, and the T-chrono paddles even after buying the wheel.
The bigger batch will be at the worldwide release in August.
f1 2019 works too apparently. not that it matters.. but developers like kunos etc need time to code for it (the lcd).
I think it's more on TM than game devs, after all every game already sends the telemetry
I have a suspicion that the first 1000 batch are beta units and when the reviews and complaints are in, they use them to fix the issues...
thusmaster has only put a few steering wheels on sale ... for the start of the Formula 1 season. The real worldwide sale will only take place in July. This is why the screen is only set for F1 2020 for the moment.
NOT TRYING TO BE A HATE COMMENT
and the reason it feels like that is it feels like that in the real car and it is supposed to feel the same
I disagree with you I love this wheel I have a fanatec podium PS4 and like this wheel better than the fanatec wheel so far
it may be slightly overpriced, however, it's the only one of its kind for its price point. most wheels that have the screen and are exact replicas of F1 wheels are worth $700-$1000 because they are not mass-produced. I do agree with some of the points in this video, however.
This wheel reminds me of the saying, "Jack of all trades, master of none."
It's like they tried to cram so many features into this wheel and keep it affordable that they didn't really make any feature amazing. Instead, they just have a whole bunch of just average features that makes the wheel kind of average overall.
Most people won't be looking down at the wheel screen while racing anyway. If they do, it won't be that often during the race. I'd rather take the money spent on the screen and put it into better carbon fiber, better button feel/paddle shifters, and/or better hand grips.
I like that Thrustmaster is trying to compete with Fanatec and I know they are kind of new to premium open wheel rims, but I expected more from this wheel. Reception from reviewers have been lukewarm at best and those who did receive these wheels have continued to keep using their Fanatec setups.
If you have a Fanatec and Thrustmaster rig and are considering this with the optional paddles or the Formula V2 with APM's, I'd save up the extra few dollars and buy the Formula V2. Otherwise, it's a decent wheel but the Formula V2 blows this out of the water. Still better than anything else Thrustmaster is offering in this category though.
You do realize that real race car drivers do look at the screens on the wheels during the race right?
@@XplodingTurtle yes but are you or me or a sim racer real racing drivers? The reason f1 drivers or other drivers with a screen on their wheel look at it is to make sure engine modes, energy levels, brake bias,diff are correct or to fix any fault’s and the only things we can use this wheel for in f1 21 is to activate change break bias and diff and push the overtake button and there’s no need for the wheel we have all of this info in our hud in the game lol.
@@HumblePainter what do you mean there is no need?? Do you know how many people like to simrace without a hud on screen??
I always use gloves anyway😉😉I have Alonso replica gloves from McLaren 2016
sf1000 have gear problems and frozen screen problems, if you play on a ps4. Had the same problem on two sf1000 wheel add-on until I return it.
If you buy T-Chrono paddles may solve the problem for a while, it work for me for 4 months.. but the problem always comes back at some point.
Sf1000 has more problems too, if you own a T300-base then you will lose force feedback a lot.. you must buy a GT 2-base.
If you play on a PS4 don't buy sf1000 wheel add-on. it will cost a lot of money for something that doesn't work and a lot of time.
I love f1 but also gt7 assetto also
If you’re not playing F1 2020, I don’t see any reason to buy this wheel. But if you are, get yourself gloves (which anyway is better to protect your gear) and enjoy. I think that most of the things you’ve mentioned are not that important. For 350$ there are no better options in the market right now. Having leds and screen is a big advantage for f1 sim racers, clutch pedals used for race starts and pit releases. There are more than enough buttons for F1 race and you can map them all. Buttons for screen are also important, when during the race you wanna get information about your car. And about the quality, TM were never high end company and therefore the price is only 350$, so there are compromises. Other add ons cost 1000$ dollars and more.
thanks for the comment, I guess it all comes to what one considers expensive, or maybe I just had too high expectations from all the hype generated :) you have to agree though that chamfering edges doesn't result in significant manufacturing costs increase so it's hard for me to accept that
@@petermakesthings7342 It’s not a cheap price, that’s for sure. But again, you can’t get any other product with all those features for less than 1000 dollars. About the edges, I totally agree but it’s not much of an issue for me as I’m using gloves anyway, even on my current T300 stock rim. It could be better, but if you really want to enjoy this rim and features you should be passionate about F1 2020. Anyway, great video and thanks for the review, I watched it until the end 🤙
The price will go down in a few months €349. Now we are in November 2022 and the price is €399. €50 the price went up instead of down😂😂😂
The console Buttons are a big Problem.
Ps Button is the Button next to your right thumb.
All other "bad" thing are made up.
The Grips are fine. Alcantara is a no go and will be worn out within a few Weeks.
So guess I'll save some money and get TM Open Wheel instead
Or wait for few mths, the software updates will most probably improve it greatly
Barry is asking money for reviews now. So i guess thats why he isnt getting stuff like this from TM anymore. Same goes for fanatec.
Good review but you do realise it's a replica of the real world Ferrari F1 wheel, so they say it's based on the current Ferrari F1 Wheel so the real Ferrari F1 wheel must be a bit iffy then!
heh, TM interpretation of the word 'replica' is bit different from common definition:) this is a replica: www.amalgamcollection.com/collections/ferrari-sf1000/products/ferrari-sf1000-steering-wheel-1-1
@@petermakesthings7342 so thrustmaster are streaching the truth a bit to say the least! Hope you did not think I was having a go at your review I enjoy your vids very much and this one was very truthful I agree with you the price is way to high for something that only screws on to the base unit. I have a thrustmaster t300rs gt with original wheel (gt) and the F1 rim, unfortunately I am disabled and could not do the work necessary as shown in your video to add the quick release and seeing as I'm not moving that fast anyway it doesn't matter. Keep up the brilliant work that you do!
@@petermakesthings7342 that wheel is useless,tm did a good job on the wheel,350 is not alot..other factory are selling wheels for 700 to 1000 and are cheaper than tm ones sooo your review is useless
It's a good wheel you just don't understand that thrustmaster is not like fanatec you probably work for fanatec
"first of all it's way too expensive "- i can not understand that. at this price you get what you pay for
but did you ever bougt any asher, Cubecontrols or other wheels like them. You will pay 1200€ for a cubecontrols f1 style wheel with screen.
330 pounds isn’t expensive for a wheel. Yes it is expensive, but it’s not expensive compared to other wheels in the market.
Look on the bright side, that wheel, despite being 330 pounds or 350 dollars, it will sell for 2 times the price in my country
I have one. 1: grip is awesome in my hand
2: I use mine on PC and only got Acc works an absolute treat
3: significantly better than any wheel I have had in this price range.
Bloke sounds butt hurt.
Sounds like someone is trying to justify their purchase to me 😂
The time sponsored by Thrustmaster wil be Ferrari past TM...😉👍😂😂😂😂
:D
Does it have force feedback
You can hear the tape sticking on your hands lmao.
Ps, talking about a little bit of noice, please use the shifter. Paying that much for a steering wheel and then crying about 60 bugs for a new game.
I have to get all of my strength to watch the video to the and, such a wxxner
Good review. But you are just fishing for stuff that makes no sense.
1 The grip. All wheel bases are meant to be used with gloves not bare handed. So what it feels like to the bare hand is irrelevant. Your DIY tennis racket grips made me laugh thats not very good.
2 Yes the wheel is only compatible with F1 2019 and F1 2020. Its what it was meant for. But upgrades for comptability is coming in the future.
3 Paddles can be upgraded.
4 This wheel vs its counter 1:1 replica that goes for over $7,000 that works for nothing by the way. Other then a display behind glass. Or the old and none functional replica wheel its spot on and economical.
5 My personal opinion is that Fanatec has better quality. But with this wheel you have equal compatablility for PS5, Xbox and PC for half of the price. Great price of an entry point novice sim racer.
6 Display screen as you said it not touch screen so its not meant to be touched. Its not very sharp at all in the first place.
Does it also come at F1 2021
@@nickoud4121 yes
in europa we say "you looking for hair in the egg" but in the end that all you did said is truth, and that wheel is way overpriced, in my opinion sim racing "fantasy" is going to far and expensive, players dont need so much fancy shmency stuffs with options like in real life, in the end its a game that need to be fun, its ok to have some premium gear but going to expect that same lvl quality like a real one for your home use is not a need...Does anybody need gear of few thousend euros-dolars to win a race NO...but i understand market is market and thats all business and money making
ill buy it from you if you dont want it
ok, but need to design a few mods for it first ;)
I'm sorry but what are you on about?😅 Way too expensive? Isn't this like the cheapest wheel on the market with an intergrated display? The shifters are good, buttons are good, has genuine carbon fiber frontplate, good ammount of switches/buttons/rotary encoders and all that. Plus the fact that it's licensed by ferrari. What other brand on the market offers this for less money?
It’s a replica… that’s the point it’s designed to a real life drivers specs almost exactly it’s not gonna be for everyone as a Ferrari fan I jumped at the opportunity to get this and it didn’t disappoint I understand it’s not gonna be for everyone and that everyone has there own feelings but in this review felt like you were nit picking in this review and the grip and scratching you finger and stuff seems stupid
Of course you’re not going to like it if you’re not primarily using it for Formula 1
why buy an f1 wheel when u dont even play f1 2021, like are u even an f1 fan
How can you review it without using it? Poor review....
there's loads of reviews where people use the wheel, shows it's features etc, I've spend few hours driving with it as well, but it's not what this video is about, I'm focusing mainly on the ergonomics, build quality, finish etc
But is not the important thing how it works when using it instead of holding it and touching edges? I own the wheel and honestly do not understand some of the issues you have.
Sorry I cannot watch anymore this guy! 😳 maybe yes the price it’s a bit on the higher side, but having say that you pay as well for the official Scuderia Ferrari rights. I strongly believe this guy hate Ferrari, and thrustmaster you are far too negative to my opinion.
Si no te gusta yo te lo compro
This wheel is to replicate a real f1 wheel that reals f1 drivers use. These drivers wear gloves racing so thats the reason why its not comfortable to a bare hand. Same thing goes with the sharp paddles, but i see how it can annoy someone who isnt used to wearing gloves while racing