Watching The Brutal Opening To Israel’s Gen*cide Trial
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I feel like the phrase "The Hague will not stop us," should demand a pause for self-reflection.
Israel literally sounding like villains
Khorne cultists be like...
Real "nothing will unfuck the Thanksgiving turkey " moment
@@justwannabehappy6735
"Don't eat the last slice of pizza."
"The Hague will not stop me."
If they’d said something like “South Africa will not stop us” that would be one thing. Saying The Hague is openly communicating contempt for the court they’re presenting themselves in.
12:29
Fetterman is probably referring to South Africa having been an apartheid state.
The whole, "they did the same thing, so they shouldn't be criticizing others" BS.
South Africa's past honestly gives them more credibility in calling out Israel on this in my opinion.
Exactly. If there is a people that can prove that Israel is treating Gaza as an apartheid state against Muslims is South Africa.
Beyond that, South Africa's post-apartheid government is largely made up of the people who lived under apartheid, and their descendants. They know what they're talking about.
Especially since the people presenting arguments on behalf of South Africa are the very ones whose parents or even themselves lived under apartheid. Like, they are the liberated of apartheid.
That argument has never made sense. There's a reason why Germany has actual laws against displaying Nazi paraphernalia
They are led by people who were victims of genocide. Fetterman should stfu clearly his stroke has obliterated his critical thinking skills.
Calling an actual international court and judge "LARPy" is so online lmao
It’s the wigs and robes literally all courts are larpy cos of this
@@wokencs330 it's just the jobs uniformmmm 😭😭
@@wokencs330 Literally all uniforms that don't have a functionality would be larpy then.
@@TheMartyandy they are
larp is live action roleplay. These people aren't roleplaying as judges they are actual judges
How did Vaush just have “justice is blind” ready in the chamber??😂
It’s the autism I’m tellin ya
Bros been taking improv classes
It's a talent, and a bit skill, to have some wittiness about.
I'm upset that he didn't follow up with "justice is legally blind"
@@clairebunoof that's even better
"Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out."
Israel had to help them, using the Hannibal directive
@alexc4924 what is the Hannibal directive?
b/c they racist
"The Hannibal Directive is the name of a controversial procedure that was used by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) until 2016 to prevent the capture of Israeli soldiers by enemy forces. According to one version, it says that "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces.""@@Arcanyum
@@Arcanyum their justification for firing tanks on the homes full of Israeli hostages because there was 1 Hamas fighter among the 15 hostages
Commenter: “Why is it so blurry?”
Vaush: “Because justice is blind.”
Vaush is definitely getting funnier.
I cackled at that one 😂
I'd like to imagine an alternate reality where Vaush is a comedian... Actually I probably don't want to imagine because it looks like it would either be fantastic or way too goblin energy filled to reach another public than other goblins
Legally blind
I giggled
As a myopic i felt that
Hearing it all laid out like this it becomes basically undeniable. I can see this opening a lot of people's eyes.
I mean have you seen Israel's opening. If any random person would see that first they'd certainly be convinced of that side of the argument, so I doubt this is going to have a significant impact on most people's opinions even if by itself it's a fairly convincing speech. To me attempting to look at the convincingness of the openings from a layman's perspective and from such I'd say Israel's was more convincing
@@miikavuorio6925 I beg to differ. None of the Israeli representatives were particularly strong orators. Their opening argument was basically a procedural one, much of which makes little sense to people outside of international law sphere. The SA case is more compelling and straightforwardly presented.
@@miikavuorio6925 no tf it isn't.
I feel like it requires a devastating lack of introspection to say "Not even the Hauge will stop us" and still think your the good guy
Honestly, I think the biggest give away was when secretary Blinken stated that there was a "gap" between Israel's stated goals of destroying Hamas and what they're actually doing. At that point I had no doubt. It was the most subtle way for him to say they're doing a genocide without getting in trouble.
The mental gymnastics you did to reach this conclusion should have netted you a gold medal
@@dwaynesmith8986how?
It's really not a big leap, the US will never come out and say it straight up, at least not currently. So him saying what Israel is doing isn't lining up with what their states goals are is a clear way to say that their true intentions are something different. And what is the thing everyone is accusing them of doing?@@dwaynesmith8986
@dwaynesmith8986 the mental gymnastics required to say israel isnt genocidal should win a gold medal
@@dwaynesmith8986 "surely i am not targeting civilians, i am just killing civilians to get to the terrorists, don't you understand???" You are a clown fr
Then the next day Isreal responds
"Do you condemn Hamas"
And everybody cheers and the case is closed and everyone lives happily ever after (except for the Palestinians ofc)
As a German, I am really glad Scholz didn't say "Hamas are the new Nazis" because as a German, it is not his place to call _anyone_ "the new Nazis". And if Bibi had any kind of perspective, he would immediately see that.
Only the AfD could crown someone the new Nazis.
Das ist eine komische Perspektive. Wir aus dem deutschen Raum tragen die Verantwortung dass sich Faschismus, Anti Semetismus nicht bei uns wiederholen aber wir tragen auch als Folge Generationen nicht die Schuld und Verantwortung für den Holocaust. Deshalb sollten wir nicht ausgeschlossen sein davon zu diskutieren wer die nächste problematische Faschisten Gruppe ist. Momentan kommt da sehr viel aus den USA auf uns zu. Und HAMAS ist natürlich eine Jihadist Extremisten Organisation aber sie als neue Nazis zu bezeichnen ist natürlich nur der nächste Schritt auf einem langen Weg die Palestinänser zu verteufeln und mit Hamas gleichzusetzen.
Aber sollte eine neue Nazi Bewegung zum Beispiel an die Macht in den USA kommen wie zB als Nebenprodukt einer zweiten Trump Regierung dann sollten wir im deutschen Raum am lautesten darauf aufmerksam machen und die Welt gegen sie vereinigen.
Verantwortung ja, Erbschuld nein.
I agree with that, but "just" saying that feels less problematic than calling south africas genocide accusations a "political instrumentalization".
I had to look up how germany reacted to this and I just want to puke
That statement was meant for his own base, nothing more. It doesn't matter how easily it is debunked. But yes, it is a really, really silly lie to tell. Scholz may not have a spine - but you don't exactly have to carry him in a bucket.
Germany supports this genocide. You are also guilty.
"The Hague won't stop me." definitely never said before or after committing war crimes.
"Why is it so blurry?"
"Because justice is blind" made me crack and bust a gut
Although they presented the case excellently, I wouldn’t be so optimistic about South Africa’s chances of getting the ruling - were it not for Israel’s strategy of … umm … calling the plaintiffs Hamas and telling the court they have no authority. Somehow I don’t think that will go down well with even the most studiously impartial judge.
oh wow, that's almost as dumb as the dude who thought it was a good idea to clothes-line a judge during his own trial ^.^
common South africa L
Wow thanks for laying out how the left will deny the ruling once Israel wins. Can’t wait to hear this dumb bullshit from every leftist commentator after the trial. Obviously the trial was rigged!!! The judge couldn’t differentiate between Hamas and Palestine due to Israel’s dastardly word games!!!
@@justwannabehappy6735well, the reality is that the case, "if Israel is commmiting a genocide" , would take years to be actually decided, but the thing is, that, if there is enough suspicion, then they can basically say, that the military operation that is taking place in Ghana right now, should pe paused/ceased immediately until this whole stuff is figured out!
@@justwannabehappy6735 Yes, they won't. But that doesn't mean other countries won't do anything. It gives them leeway to break rank from supporting Israel. The increased international pressure is not "nothing", even if it seems that way.
Izril be like "What do you mean i cant do Super Trail of Tears Turbo: Tournament Edition?"
fair point but the trail of tears killed more people fyi
@@jovian7983 it didn't and the natives of both regions deserve justice
100k displaced and 15k liquidated by america
more than 2 million displaced and more tha. 20k liquidated by my "homeland"
This seems like it would be Breaking News for all the major “News” networks but I haven’t seen any coverage on it.
Because nobody cares what the failed state of south africa wants to say
It's mostly because everyone knows, this will not matter in the grand scheme of things, because let's be real, if South Africa has any serious evidence to base their claim of a genocide, then it's still going to take years until that case has officially been proven or rejected.
About the only reason this could matter, is if the court says there is suspicion which could allow them to say, they want the military operation to be ceased immediately!
However let's be honest, this is something really difficult to prove, because intent is not something you can really accuse Israel at all.
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633I think the common knowledge that “intent is difficult to prove” is actually flipped on its head here because Israel’s been so proudly vocal in its intent at every level of its society. The hard part is, do we consider 300,000 unalived in 3 months to be geocide or liable to become geocide, when the scale isn’t at the same level as prior incontrovertible geocides. And are geopolitics gonna pressure the court to destroy its credibility just to let Israel off the hook (at least until it does so much damage that geocide is the only possible conclusion).
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633 I'm pretty sure the reason the news isn't broadcasting it is because it really does matter in the average person's perception of Israel. If the case wasn't so strong and Israel's intent not so blatant at every level taht even the worst mainstream propaganda can't spin this to look even questioningly good, I can guarantee you they'd be broadcasting this 24/7 along with commentary on how anybody opposed to Israel is anti-semitic and a terrorist sympathiser.
That not a single mainstream network or newspaper even mentioned this was going on let alone any of the details from it beyond glancing over Israel's defence day as if they were just responding to a suggestion of genocide being what they're doing is yet another indictment in how for all our claims of being democratic and champions of free speech the reality is that our entire media ecosystem is little better than the worst propaganda examples of 1940's Germany/Soviet Union.
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633 They've (Israel) been literally handed precise weaponry that would massively decrease and minimize collateral damage, and yet Israel outright refuses to use them and instead keeps on using the weaponry that's killing far more innocent civilians. I don't think intent would be that hard to prove.
I'm just not sure about the whole "We who have survived the Holocaust in 45" as an excuse to commit their own "Genocide" is very sad to see. It seems like that they are now (or have been) ready to say that them having been hunted like dogs and rats is the perfect reason why they should be allowed to do the same. An eye for an eye as it were.
"An eye for an eye only makes the world blind."
- Some guy whose words were always backed with nuclear weapons.
Israel sounds like the girl that bullied me in High School that justified it by saying "I was bullied in my previous school, so now it's my time to get some power over people [that had nothing to do with the bully I suffered]."
funnier that they say it as almost none of them even experience it themselves
If I could rewrite Israel's argument, I'd have phrased it more holistically. "The U.N. and League of Nations before it have never protected Israel from anything, so now we're doing it ourselves. If you complain about our methods, too bad, you had your chance at protecting us." Insincere, but it could fly.
Literally pulling the Shoah card as if it were a dead relative at middle school is... inelegant to the point that I'm disappointed Israel didn't put more work into their defense.
And in both cases, Jews are suffering. Because surprise surprise, there are Jews in Palestine too
They won't face any repercussions because "something, something God, something, something holy land..."
Historically we got delivered into the hands of the Philistines for exactly this
It's actually that the Hague doesn't have any real power.
So, they won't face consequences because they'd basically have to impose them on themselves.
However, it will mean a lot symbolically if this actually goes through.
The country will ignore the hague after this and not face consequences, because of their nukes, but individuals might face consequences on their own when they move out of Israels territories
@@NerobyrneThe only way this would have teeth is if the US backed it and we have seen how well that is going. We expect too much of segregationist Joe.
realpolitik, the bigger fist decides what is just and unjust
These new long videos are really nice, and I hope they continue
I hope that the events that merit the longer videos stop happening though.
you realize he streams right? Like this is just one of his streams this is what he does every stream
@@Syzygy_Bliss We need world peace so Vaush can follow his true passion as a fashion UA-camr.
@@recycledwaste8737On second thought, Israel’s war crimes are the last fiber holding up my tenuous grip on heterosexuality.
Bruh, go back 4 years on his channel, this was a SHORT video back in the day haha
He had segments like 3 to 4 hours long lol
Listening to South Africa’s opening statements actually made me tear up
Yea had to take a walk bad idea to listen while at work. Fucked me up
@@RadjhitoocoolJesus Christ you are weak
@@kazaiza6405weak for having emotion 😂 weak for recognizing genocide 😂 weak for recognizing mass famine 😂 weak for recognizing amputations without anesthesia 😂 weak for recognizing baby dysentery has risen 2000% 😂
@@MrMerve-tl9my No one here was complaining when Black Africans were going through the same injustices...they still are, by Arab slave traders across the Sahara.
Now all of a sudden people want to cry.
@@The47blackhole really? The 60+% civilian death count Israeli had admitted? The 90% that independent human rights groups have found?
Zoinist be like: “it’s only genocide if we approve of it first!”
Wonder what Pakman thinks of all of this 🤔🤔
Followed by 'those memos and speeches about approving genocide are completely irrelevant to the actions of the military'
Zionism is a fictional boogeyman created by Tsarist Russia propaganda, mate.
The US failing to condemn Israel basically sends a message to Putin that he's not doing anything wrong.
This assumes that Putin is a human being and not the bloodthirsty monster he is.
True
How??? Invasion of a soveiregn democratic nation is kinda different then anti-terror operation against a radical terrorist group.
@@diamondhamster4320 but both are genocidal
@@petre1758 God, I pray that Trump wins.
Benny literally referred to an "axis of evil" like a US president in 2001. This is fucking pathetic.
it's a reference to the "axis of resistance", which is Iran's name for the alliance of itself and all its proxies across the middle east
Happy Martin Luther King Jr day, who appropriately enough was an antizionist
God, MLK Jr was so based
Another MLK L
Your the L@@basedindividual5060
@@basedindividual5060based? Based on what
@@basedindividual5060 -10 points.
It can happen here, and liberals would defend it too. Free Palestine
actually no they wouldn't
@@thedoctor.a.s1401..the liberals are defending israel lmao
@@thedoctor.a.s1401 dawg if there were a Shoah 2 Electric Boogaloo the dems would only step in to help us once we promise to vote for them
@mogscugg2639 I think that's a little cynical. what I meant in any case is that I consider myself to be a classical liberal & an anti-zionist and loathe the genocidal carpet bombing that settler colonialist zionist nutbags in netanyahu's gov are doing in gaza, not to mention the illegal naval blockade of gaza or the occupation in the west bank or the Palestinians in israel, "the israeli arabs", being segregated as 2nd class citizens. its a matter of empirical fact.
@@mogscugg2639 You're completely right. I routinely take comfort in knowing that even if Biden loses, I at least have the pleasure of watching a bunch of hyperemotional leftists get disappeared with the Insurrection Act when they try to protest Trump's inevitable Muslim ban. It's the little things in life that keeps you going through difficult times. Hell, we might even get a Trump Tower in Gaza. Hilarious.
People in chat complaining that the guy reading the 9 provisional measures of protection is boring/low energy during legal proceedings: lol. These people are caricatures of themselves. Maybe The Hague's cases need to be broadcast in portrait mode with the lower half of the screen showing some fast paced gameplay while some some coked up eccentric nerd narrates inaccurately.
To be fair, if someone us putting on a caricature to proceed with something serious, it can be hard to take it seriously, especially when it has to do with a genocide that WILL and HAS set a president for more atrocitys to happen.
I don't think its fair to hold people to higher standards than they are capable of, bit I understand it when peoole interpret something like that as "boring". It is. We just have more of a reason to pay attention then a lot of other boring stuff lol
A ruling would be more than a political statement. The nations that are signatories to the ICC/ICJ and the Geneva Convention have actually signed a formal treaty. If Israel is ruled against then every signatory nation is now obligated on an individual level to take part in sanctions/condemnation etc. Now the US doesn't care but a whole lot of other nations will be forced to make a call between supporting Israel and being in breach of their treaty obligations. Again some nations won't care but other nations will take it seriously, other countries have all sorts of relationships and interests all over the globe and many of them can't be seen to be breaching treaties. It may force some hands that would otherwise be supporting Israel or staying silent. Say for example Australia, it's been quiet or supportive of Israel for now but Aus is currently playing diplomatic chess in the Pacific with China and the Pacific nations and would be REEEAAAL uncomfortable being put on the spot as being in breach of international treaties. Other countries would have similar issues in their part of the globe. Other countries like France are pretty enthusiastic about being seen to be upright in international law because they see themselves as pillars of the system and are perpetually competing to stay relevant/ahead of the UK/US. A lot of different motivations.
A ruling against wouldn't be a strict end event but it's a lot more than just a mark of shame.
Yes, cause for example the ICJ ruling on Russias war in Ukraine has achieved so much... oh wait, no it hasn't, somehow there are still countries that don't give a shit...
For many of the nations that would follow these sanctions I find it hard to believe that many of them would impact Israel. Some countries may not care, for example, the US, but the ones that would follow with sanctions tend not to have a lot of trade with Israel in the first place. For example, Australia sanctioning Israel wouldn't really do much other than send a message. Materially it doesn't really do anything imo.
@@tfw8738 True but to give you an idea of the needle shifting for the very first time EVER there was an article on the front page of a newspaper about designating Israeli settlers as a terrorist "organisation" and banning travel. That was completely and utterly unfothamable a year ago. You may or may not be surprised in regards to Israels links across the globe and what a pressure might be applied. People who live in free-travel democracies don't like being told their passport is no longer valid.
@@tfw8738
It would put pressure on the US if other liberal Anglo nations started officially recognizing the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It's harder to say "no jack, that's mean" in response to criticism of Israel when other liberal secular nations (again, especially Anglo ones) are going "yeah this is fucked".
And then there's other countries like India and China, who themselves might not directly trade with Israel but who deal with countries that do or that would be more offended at the lack of follow through, to the point of outing diplomatic and economic pressure towards that effect. After all, both China and India trade with Iran and Iran is definitely gonna raise a stink if they pussy out. Not to mention that it makes the leaders of opposing countries look weak or submissive towards US' interests, which is not a popular position to have in those states.
Overall, it could change nothing or it could change something, which isn't a useful prediction. But it can help at least in the long term framing of the conflict and how people reacted to it, which is a fucked up thing to say but ultimately the most concrete thing I can say.
Ironically Israel and South Africa used to be allies before the downfall of the apartheid regime.
Not hard to guess what changed
South Africa doing this in part as revenge for Israel supporting apartheid is a facet of this situation I was not aware of before today.
@@The47blackholethey worked together to develop nuclear weapons for South Africa when South Africa was sanctioned and shunned by the rest of the world. The relationship was analogous to North Korea relying on China for support
3:25 I saw a great analogy on the Majority Report (I forget who made it but I think they were offscreen).
"You know when you play a video game and don't care about the story? You're just mashing buttons during dialog so you can get back to killing things? That's Israel's PR campaign"
Israel got an aimbot from Democrats, Republicans, Evangelical Christians, Wall Street fat cats, and MIC.
Netanyahu wanted Alan Dershowitz to represent Israel in this ICJ case, but because of the timing of the Jeffrey Epstein documents incriminating Dershowitz coming out, he was not chosen.
I know this is misinfo... but I want to believe.
Whether they win or lose it doesn’t matter. What matters more is how many people are thinking about this now. Imagine how many more chances we have at peace when two billion people know about Israel vs Palestine. This is a step in the right direction. South Africa is so fucking brave for being the first to step up to the plate. Enough is enough
I disagree, I don't think there is anything brave in what the South African government is doing, it's a political stunt. They don't care about the Palestinian people or what's morally right.
I mostly agree with you, but the outcome ABSOLUTELY matters.
SAR is support Russia and RUssian genocide of Ukranians, mate.
I'm very glad this case is being heard. I just wish I could be glad about it from a country which doesn't have a history of blatantly ignoring ICJ rulings (the UK)
@@justwannabehappy6735 how have you figured that?
@@justwannabehappy6735 there isn't a single person arguing that Israel will see this ruling and then stop what they are doing. I literally pointed out in my comment that the UK has just ignored past rulings against it.
That isn't the point.
The point is the effect it will have on other countries ability to continue to support Israel by providing further reason to their populations to lobby their governments to end support.
@@justwannabehappy6735 we literally already are. Pre-ruling. People are getting sick of what they are seeing on the news and that is being reflected in polling and subsequently the language of politicians.
I'm not saying a ruling would suddenly precipitate a mass drop off of all support. Just that it will contribute to the decline we are already seeing.
@@justwannabehappy6735 I'm sorry you're such a doomer. Maybe you should stop engaging with content discussing this issue.
@@justwannabehappy6735 Support for Israel is at an all-time low. Things _are_ changing, and faster than ever before.
I know it's a long shot but I would love to see Legal Eagle cover this. It would be fucking awesome : after John Oliver covering the crisis, Legal Eagle covering the genocide trial?
@@justwannabehappy6735His background is civil cases, so no
@@justwannabehappy6735 I have to imagine he knows more than pretty any other popular UA-camr who could cover it. As well as knowing other lawyers better informed than himself
@@justwannabehappy6735 When he covers something that isn't his specialty, he usually invites an expert. He also has a team that does research for his videos.
He made a video to explain the overturning of Roe vs Wade, even though he's not a constitutional lawyer.
@@richardarriaga6271 crazy how we are watching a streamer with no legal backround right now but you’ll say legal Eagle is unqualified. 😅
@@richardarriaga6271He specializes in copyright law, but I don’t see how that makes him less credible than literally any layman.
Look at Adam something comment he complained about israel getting a grade military weapons against small settlement while Ukraine get bad quality weapons against russian imperalism
As a note to Vaush's comment on US CO's beating their soldiers to death if they recorded themselves singing:
I can say that as of about 10 years ago, the military had to start introducing VERY strict social media rules enforceable under the USMJ (military laws). I literally had my drill instructor heavily investigated and punished for recording and posting our workouts to his private instagram. (Granted, he also broke new rules by using workouts as a form of punishment, but that happened pretty often without the same scrutiny.)
They will straight up Article-15 your ass for harmless posting. God forbid, if you ever did anything bad for the US optically, you would find a court martial real fast.
Wait, what? They don't punish recruits by making them exercise anymore?
@@ronbutler4527pretty sure he just said they do/did. It's just technically not legal anymore
I appreciate the coverage pf this topic. Trying to remain informed and knowledgeable about world affairs can be difficult if one only skims social media coverage or only has access to major televising news networks (with their own bias and favoritism influencing coverage of topics). also, unrelated -- I love the glasses you're wearing. i'm a returning viewer after a long hiatus from your commentary and videos.
I'm glad for Vaush's coverage too. I tried watching the fat guy and the John Malkovich looking guy's speeches but I was unable to stop rolling my eyes.
There is a lot of pro-Israel astroturfing in this comment section.
Fetterman was refering to either the white farmer murders or the mountain of other problems that sa is facing right now, like massive amounts of unemployment, violent crime and corruption, or maybe both.
What he failed to understand is that South africa is using this as a rallying point for the nation. Israel has been an "enemy" to south africa due to their constant support of its old apartheid regime.
Israel supported SA's apartheid??
"Basedindividual" see?
He's right because his username is "Basedindividual".
What an imbecil LMAO 😂
@@basedindividual5060True, since America has problems at home, we should stop worrying about helping Israel... right?😊
No chance you're special pleading or anything.
@@jdavis7993think we know the real based person here gg ❤
@@jdavis7993honestly sometimes I wish we would stop butting our noses into other peoples problems we’d have much less at home but isolationism isn’t good or healthy either 😭
I always find it, so quaint when you see the French translations in the international bodies, a vestigial remnant of the time in France was relevant
How is France any less relevant than any other European nation?
Or at the Olympics who have their base language in French because the IOC was founded in Paris and is now headquartered in Switzerland
It’s truly a shame how history repeats itself time after time
Free Palestine ❤
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it is sad to see the usa is just blindly help israel in this crime against humanity, to end this we need the international community to stop this all the arab countries and the western world need to come together with representatives of palestine and decide the future for the palestinian people this needs to be done know
Even Germany is starting to go "okay Israel calm down, this is getting ridiculous."
I don't know if they've made an official statement, but the mainstream news is not as 100% behind them as America.
And that's a pretty big deal given our recent history.
(Conveniently ignoring the fact that USA was potentially about to head the same direction before Pearl Harbor .... ^^)
True, but a real dialogue can only really happen, once Israel and the PLO can have a possibility of forming a sort of agreement, without someone like Hamas barging in sabotaging it.
In other words, take Hamas out of the picture and something like the betterment for Palestine and Israel can manifest in some way
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633But Hamas won't disappear until Israel stops being a threat to Palestinians. That is why they were formed in the first place. You see how it's not that simple?
@@NankitaBR Hamas will stop existing when Netanyahu stops supporting it, it has nothing to do with Israel or apartheid, just useful idiots for a fascist to point at
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633Hamas and the Likud need to be removed from power for that to happen.
Israel’s strategy to avoid censure has always been to stack the jury.
1:25:53 “to wipe off the seed of” an enemy is an inherently genocidal statement, imo … it is highly sus to say the least
I thought the "no uninvolved civilians" was a lot worse
18:04 the way his smile just dropped lmfaooo it's like he's trying not to laugh in class after the teacher he doesnt like said her husband died of cancer LOL
Any sane person would think this is an open and shut case against Israel as it is beyond obvious that this is a genocide. However I am terrified that they will not be found guilty and repercussions will horrific not only to Palestianians but other groups facing oppression across the globe 😢
Lmao any sane person would know it's not a clear cut case.
But you lot believe that a trans genocide is underway, so I'm not too surprised by your dumb judgements.
What exactly would be the repercussions if they were found guilty? A harsh criticism? I'm unclear of the kind of authority the body has.
@@tnghunter It would be more of a general green light to other oppressive regimes, seeing that Israel let off the hook despite it being so obvious it's a genocide and think 'well we can away with obvious genocide too'
@@tnghunter It would make politicians in control of liberal democracies more reluctant to aid and support the Israeli government. It would give politicians that oppose aiding and supporting the Israeli government more political capital, stronger arguments and an easier way to sway voters.
18:27 Just like what the US did when this same court judged their invasion of Nicaragua illegal. THE USA right now only accepts ICT judgements when it suits them.
The US literally passed a law in like 2006 that gives us "legal authority" to militarily invade The Hague if any US service member is charged there lmao
No the US doesn't recognize the ICC at all.
@@Anthony-zm2nqname the law. Why would the US invade the Hague they don't recognize the ICC. Why tell such easily disprovable lies?
@@basedgamerguy818Its the American service-Members protection Act. Also called the Hague invasion law. If an american citizen or military personnel or ally of america is held by the hague, america can use military action against the hague to break them out.
@@lyndonjacobs5264 shit like that would only be concocted by criminal Republicans. How can the US say it supports ICC action against Putin and have such a disgusting law in place. It doesn't even make sense as the US doesn't recognize the ICC
holly shit, these are just the opening statement and some of those quote are absolutely insane coming from people that know history
I find it both ironic and satisfying that SOUTH AFRICA of all places are doing this. But in glad this is happening regardless.
Ironic because of the country's history as a colonial hotspot where a minority ruled over a majority.
But satisfying that they moved past that history and using their history to acknowledging and moving against similar actions that are happening in the modern day.
@@justwannabehappy6735 This is false. Countries are made up of people and people are known to care.
It’s not ironic the current politics of South Africa fought back white supremacy. So ofcourse they gonna oppose it elsewhere
@@justwannabehappy6735that’s not necessarily true
@@justwannabehappy6735 We are watching a video about an example proving you wrong.
Why not ? They’re the one who refused to take Putin cause of an ICJ ruling, they proved they would respect the ICJ even when it doesn’t serve their interest
Let's go South Africa 🇿🇦
Great flag, great country
"I WILL NOT BE STOPPED. NOT BY YOU OR THE HAGUE OR THE PROTOSS OR ANYONE! I WILL RULE THIS SECTOR OR SEE IT BURNT TO ASHES AROUND ME!"
-Prime Minister of Israel, post battle of New Gettysburg, year 2500.
I feel like I need to thank tiktok for enabling the IDF to post such incriminating videos. Sometimes the brain rot affects the right people.
It really is insane, you'd think modern armies would train their soldiers not to vlog military operations, especially in security obsessed surveillance states like Israel.
@@jojorose1947 it helps that the IDF are conscripts, not professionals, and as such lack that kind of discipline. They video their crimes because they have been given license to release their inhibitions by the politicians and generals, and expect the same impunity. They want to be on record destroying Gaza so their grandchildren can see the hand they had in building a greater Israel. You know, zionist shit.
South Africa did their country so so proud. I had tears in my eyes watching them take a stand for justice . Mandela is smiling down on the rainbow nation the west said was impossible.
Having seen the Israeli response to this, i’m nervous that they could win on entirely procedural grounds, since that’s what they’re going for
If "procedure" offers a valid defense for apartheid and genocide, then the "procedure" was worthless and shouldn't be used.
@@themightymcb7310
Well that was the Bosnian defense, but I don't know if it's applicable to Israel. As in Israel both asserts sovereignty over Gaza while arguing that Hamas is a genocidal government, which are contradictory statements on their face. You can't say "I have jurisdiction over Gaza" and also "we're defending from an attack from a foreign power, the foreign state being Gaza".
@@fluidthought42 we threw Milošević in prison until the day he died for his crimes.
@@fluidthought42Maybe they could claim the foreign state is Iran, acting in Gaza?
Actually… I probably shouldn’t give them any ideas.
Thank you, South Africa.
Israelis should really begin to select better leaders. Consistently terrible.
From the polls I've seen, Israelis want a harsher response and attack in Gaza. I can't really blame them as propaganda and years of indoctrination does that. But clearly, waiting for Israelis to collectively realise that Palestinians are human too is going to take too long.
Big ups to the vaush crew for not using the interminable obnoxious "coming up" intros.
TRRUUUU
Vaush bad
tired of this Net & Yahoo guy
I stand with South Africa...Hold them accountable.
@@justwannabehappy6735so you should have no issue with them continuing
Yes let's hold the ANC accountable for failing it's people.
@@kazaiza6405amazing deflections
This is why we were in the streets in DC this weekend.
This has been a long time coming.
Ben Shapiro is hate watching this.
I lost it when they hit us with the soldier shanty
Good video, to be clear the proceeding here is asking for an INTERIM intervention.
That is it's asking the court to momentarily give a remedy WHILE the real cases gets heard. That's why the lawyers were talking about the court not needing to come to a conclusion, etc.
These were the arguments in favour of the court telling Israel to stop while they decide the issue. It's not clear to me that Vaush understood that.
ALSO, the main issue from what I gather is the question of INTENT which Vaush seem to gloss over. It's this that will be the most difficult to prove not the atrocities that are well documented.
I feel that Israel knew it couldn't ignore this case as doing so would give South Africa a default verdict. It's hard to pull the trigger when you're being shot at from everywhere else.
I doubt the trial will go anywhere, but hopefully it'll convince some people.
Only the lib could be moved. The right has already been taught to ignore The Hague from the War on Terror.
The deep breath and pause at about 1:34:33. You can tell he was trying not to lose his composure in disgust/anger.
This is the ICJ, the International Court of Justice, which has no enforcement mechanism for its rulings, so the worst this specific case could do to Israel is just make them look even worse in the court of public opinion. If this was the ICC, the International Criminal Court, it could be different, as I believe they are actually capable of enforcing their rulings in some way, though I admit my understanding is fairly limited and I'm not sure what their enforcement mechanism looks like.
Not to paraphrase Akon but I'm trying to find the words to describe Israel without being Anti-Semetic. However, can Isreal stop crybullying about the holocaust. Every time they bring it up, it cheapens the horrors of those who went through it. You can commit a genocide and the second anyone says someone cry and piss on about "Dutch Ovens".
You shouldn’t feel like your being hateful for calling out a Jewish person for using their religion to avoid accountability which some do
Waiting for an unhinged response from Israel tomorrow.
500th like! 🥳🥳 Thanks Vaush for covering this.
Dang... South Africa really did their homework on Israel's humanitarian crimes. There were crimes I didn't even hear about.
South Africa’s first argument made me cry. 😢 no where is safe
“This is so larpy” dawg these are the guys larpers larp as
fucking finally
I’m pretty sure Is will lose this case. The US does not have veto power at the ICJ.
AFAIK this court hearing is only to decide if it's possible genocide is happening, not that it is. So it's a much easier case for SA to win, but at the same time it'll only show that Israel *might* be genociding and will need more investigating to prove if it *is*.
America: "Oh, really? How deeply unfortunate. Anyways..."
Idk how the Palestinian-Israeli conflict can be resolved equitably now. I think even a 2-state solution is extremely unlikely. Too much water under the bridge. Perhaps Israel annexes "everything" with extraordinarily generous reparations paid to all Palestinians? I can't see Israel allowing the resident Palestinians to remain in the newly-annexed Israeli areas after that...
I've heard some Vaushites float the idea of an American mandate and I'm not opposed to it.
The two state solution still makes the most sense. The reason it hasn't been enacted yet though is the same reason it would not be sustainable and that's how dysfunctional the UN security council is due to the veto powers. It's the easiest path to forcing Israel to be a slightly less unhinged country and to finally give Palestinians the chance to self govern and have a semblance of a future.
To the editors: can you please stop blurring out the most important pieces of evidence from the trial? Seriously, what the fuck?
As the decades go on, the majority of people will look upon the genocide was one of the most obviously terrible events in history. New people will grow up wondering how anyone could support such a heinous event. This will go down in history as unambiguous.
Howd they unlock that tablet? Did they guess the password was "D3aTh 2 IzrAeL" or something????
I know it's cringe to use pop culture references but what's happening in Gaza is shit straight out of Berserk. They tried to depict the absolute peak of human suffering and still fell short compared to the situation in Gaza. It's literally Hell on Earth.
You didn’t have to post this.
Israel pulling out the "TOTALLEN SIEG!" card
john dugard is an english-speaking south african, not british (though he probably has british heritage)
i'm seeing people in the chat say he's afrikaner - he is not an afrikaner, as far as i know, though he probably speaks afrikaans as a second language since he went to stellenbosch uni. my dad is english south african and went there.
You are correct.
CNN is completely omitting this news story, hmmmmmm how interesting
It's on CNN's website so....
@@basedgamerguy818 Weird, I looked for it and used their search feature to try and find it but couldnt
@@justwannabehappy6735that’s false, a 3 seconds google search will show you that almost all western media are covering this.
False, CNN talked about that
It’s cold af today
Ok
On Saturday it hit -55°C in my town. That's -67°F.
These aren’t even Hitler particles anymore, these are fuckin Darth Vader particles
I voted for Petr Pavel because I thought that he'd bring more progressive and humanitarian stances to Czech politics.
What does he do? He visits Israel and has a good ol' time with Israeli officials.
Also, just like in Germany, the "River to the sea" saying is now a criminal offense.
Netanyahu took a page out of Vaush’s book and just compared everyone to Nazis
zionism-vaushism
Lolz!
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...
Sargon of Akkad Subscriber (still BTFO years later) - Opinion discarded
@@SmittyWerbenJag3rmanJenson vaush himself is subscribed to Matt Walsh. What kind of stupid argument is that? I haven’t watched his videos in years and I subscribe to most videos I find in my feed. What kind of a loser looks at people’s subs for a ridiculous gotcha? Go touch grass
It’s really inspiring to listen to this case against Israel. It’s so far away from what we experience in America. These are good faith arguments being presented for a good cause. We don’t have anything like this here anymore.
Israel means God Preserves. They sincerely think they have cosmic existential plot armor.
That quote by the prime ministers speech made me think of “I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new empire.”.
It’s such a shame that the conflict has devolved to this. The majority of Israelis and Palestinians want peace, but the extremists on both sides want the other wiped out.
Their is no left wing in Israel. The left want an ethnic cleansing. It's quite sad I didn't believe Noam Chomsky when he pointed it out.
@@ZenosMind thats literally the exact same thing as saying that every palestinian is a terrorist
Israelis absolutely do not want peace. Polls have shown that the overwhelming majority of Israelis believe that the IDF isn't using enough firepower
Israelis voted for bibi and if you saw the evidence which included videos you would see Israelis don’t want peace
Can’t have peace with a state built on stolen land
Wonder what Pakman thinks of all of this 🤔🤔
Being a Zionist puppy selling some Reading Glasses Sponsor for 15% when you use the code "FuckHamas15" while worshipping at the alter of Mammon in the blood of Palestinian Babies
A country that once fought off 5 Nations at once is now putting all ots might into a region within its own border, there's no way to justify the level of destruction of the region
Disappointed by Austria but somehow this doesn't surprise me.
2:03:12 and besides whats the logic if this wasnt the case? Whos gonna accuse israel? The Palestinians?
Yeah, hard to go before a court if you don't have state recognition. Iran and North Korea have more legitimacy in international relations than Palestinians.
Fwiw, having watch the whole preceedings myself, south africa put on a very good case, israel's defense was mostly weak.
About a third to half of israel's defense was just israel saying 'hamas did some bad stuff' which doesnt offer any defense at all to the charges. With only very few execption would a self defense claim justify an act of genocide even in theory.
The rest of their defense tried to handle the merits of the case, which at least is a real defense, but they were largely or completely unconvincing.
Folks who understand the relevant irony here: israel is committed to the anti genocide articles and laws, with good reason.
Israel is clearly committing genocide.
If the laws mean anything at all, israel will be found guilty, the anti genocide laws will be upheld, and the jews will thereafter have a good international basis to not themselves be genocided.
If israel wins, the anti genocide laws mean nothing whatsoever, and the jews end up losing their protection internationally.
Jews everywhere ought hope israel 🇮🇱 🙏 ❤ loses, is found guilty of genocide, and is punished appropriately.
I disagree with this view of the court hearing. Firstly, I think what you paraphrase under "hamas did some bad stuff" (way to go btw) was used to establish the reason for a war of self-defense (which is considered legal under international law - a country is allowed to defend itself when it's attacked afaik). This is crucial because SA made it seem like Israel just decided to bomb Gaza out of the blue, which is in fact not the case. And much of the civilian casualties on the Palestinian side come as a result of that. For genocide there has to be proof of intent. And there's where I found SA's case actually unconvincing - they did cite some inflammatory comments, yes, but as far as I saw it failed to show that these accurately reflect official israeli policy and military doctrine. But this is just my view of the hearings, ofc you're welcome to have your own.
Voices like yours should get more attention
@@TheOpnor i appreciate reasonable responses, thanks.
Tru, war in self defense is valid. Indeed, it is the only internationally valid reason for war.
False tho that self defense is a valid claim to genocide.
The case isn't bout if iarael can defend itself, it is bout if genocide is a valid form of self defense.
Hint: it isn't.
Just coming at this from a legal perspective, I don't think that aspect of israel's defense was helpful for their case.
I agree tho that proof of intent is at least partially required. It is possible to 'oops all genocide' a war. But here intent is important. Thats bout the merits, the species offered by sa and I matter in that regard.
At most the 'hamas did bad stuff' just shows a rationale for self defense. Again, not in question tho.
@@Margot.Martindale that's sweet of you to say, thanks.
@@eliashe1797 So as far as I understood, the case is not about "if genocide is a valid form of self defense". It is about if a genocide is happening in this war of self defense. I would disagree tho, that the aspect of Israel's self defense was hurtful to their case. After all this is the legal basis for their military operation in Gaza with the stated goal to destroy Hamas. While there are undeniably a lot of civilian casualities and needless suffering the question is, if this is done with the explicit intent to commit a genocide or if this is the sad but to be expected collateral damage that is caused by a number of factors such as Gaza being densly populated and Hamas using civilian infrastructure for military purposes. In my opinion this seems to be a far more plausible explanation, which is why I think it was brought up. I also have to add that from my legal understanding of genocide (albeit limited) the question of intent is not optional but crucial in determining wether a genocide is actually happening. There is a reason after all, why there are very few instances of genocide that have been offically classified as such (on of them being the Shoa, Rwanda being another one I think). So I disagree with your statement that intent is only partially required. It's extremely pivotal and I did not find South Africas arguments to that end very convincing.
any list that has austria and germany needs scrutiny and great observance
I applaud South Africa for initiating this case. When you look at their history, it’s also worth noting the multiracial make up of their legal team. Under their apartheid system, people would never have been able to imagine that (1) the country would be presenting arguments against similar systems at the ICJ and (2) that their legal team would contain both men and women, and most importantly - people of different racial backgrounds. Outside of the specifics of this case, I just thought it was worth noting, particularly after they quoted MLK on the arc of the moral universe bending towards justice.