As a Protestant I had a strange experience. One night I was watching the Bible miniseries during the crucifixion scene and I was praying and told God that that should have been me weeping in tears the next thing I remember I was staring at myself lying on my bed and then I floated above my house and flew past all the stars until I saw nothingness a voice cried out to me and said Johnathan. I turned around and I saw the Lord in his full glory and clothed in light magnificent light that can't be described beyond that I fell to my knees because I knew I was in the presence of the Lord and without him saying anything I saw all the good deeds that I had done knowingly and unknowingly. And when I saw these bad deeds and good deeds Weighed before Christ I beg the Lord to take me away from his presence because I was unworthy and naked before God and then he said aloud Johnathan, my son.... And when I looked up I saw Christ within the light reaching his hand out for me and when I touched The holy hand of our Lord I Saw the beginning all the way to the end and felt all the evil deeds that I had done be burned away along with that part of me that committed it and when this happened I woke up gasping for air it felt like an eternity but I had only been gone 15 minutes. I know this really happened to me because I stopped breathing I don't know how or when but I stopped breathing. I understand the East and the West point of view on purgatory but if I experienced anything it was the mercy of God because I did not deserve it as we all don't deserve it. But I saw the Divine judgment and it truly was divine because it was just and loving and merciful but I know that for the wicked it'll be of their own doing because we all experience the same thing. Truly I say that this actually happened because I am no longer Protestant after that experience I now go to an Orthodox Church but I'm also studying Catholicism and have not made my choice yet. Pray for me and pray for the church's unity.
What does the Bible say about purgatory? Question: What does the Bible say about purgatory? Answer: The simple answer to this question is that the Bible says nothing about purgatory. The doctrine of purgatory is not a Scriptural concept. We do, however, see much discussion in God’s Word about the only two destinations for those who have died: Heaven and Hell. Jesus spoke significantly of both, and yet there is never a mention of a third place, an interim location where man undergoes further purification. The concept of purgatory implies that Christ’s work on the cross was incomplete and insufficient to save us from judgement for our sins. We know, however, that the full redemptive work of Christ was accomplished on the cross, just as Christ Himself declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). For believers, the end of this life will be the beginning of our eternal life with the LORD. We can see this in Jesus’ parable about the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31, whereby Lazarus was taken immediately upon his death to “Abraham’s side,” a common figure-of-speech for Heaven, and the rich man was immediately cast into torment in Hades. Paul assures believers in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 that to be “away from the body” is to be “at home with the Lord.” Those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ may rest assured that their debt has been paid by Christ Himself, and that their death will find them standing before God justified and glorified, and welcomed into His kingdom.
@@JohnDought I do know the Bible in Spanish, but not so much in English. Let's see. Luke 12, 57-59 For you, How would be the way to pay in that jail? Christ said you would go to the jail if you have something to fix. Yes, that jail, is purgatory. The same word you can find in Revelations book. Good luck.
@@JohnDought if in Luke 12 it says about to go out from jail. You mean someone in hell can go out????????? From heaven you can't go out, from hell you can't go out. That place, the jail, we call Purgatory. You can go out, but just to heaven. If you haven't died with the friendship of God, you won't go to Purgatory, it's just for the safe ones. If you don't get it now, it's just because YOU DON'T WANT IT.
amazing how well educated you are on the topic!! so many protestants trying to disprove purgatory just say "the word purgatory isnt in the bible" of they pull up an article from a philosopher from a couple years back lol. They keep quoting romans over and over again!
Greetings from Argentina. yes, that's what protestantism says everywhere. The word purgatory isn't in Bible, but you have SEOL, JAIL, PURIFICATION FIRE which are all the same meaning. The word jail as purgatory meaning you can find it in revelations book and in luke 12, 57-59
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this video. Thank you so much for making this. I have a very intimate relationship with purgatory. My house was haunted after my grandma passed because she died not on good terms with me and my mom. She disowned us. Things kept happening in our house and our priest came and did a blessing on our house. He then explained purgatory to us. He was from Kenya so he was used to spiritual warfare stuff, much more than in the west. After the blessing, my house went back to normal. I’ve prayed for my grandma many times and I believe that she has successfully passed over. Since then, I’ve been dedicated to spiritual warfare and social justice. My friends always know that I’m the one to call when spooky stuff happens lol. They joke around and call me the exorcist 😂 which i suppose on a technical level I am. God bless you, Lizzie! 💕
Bert Clayton I’ve had a lot of experiences, yes. A friend of mine has a haunted house and my other friends and I have been trying to figure out a way for us to get an exorcist over there (the family is Protestant). They had a Methodist preacher come and it made it worse. And yes, I’ve heard of the Warrens! I go back and forth as to believing their credibility, but they’re definitely interesting characters. Malachi Martin is a good guy to look into if you want to know more about exorcism. I don’t agree with all his social views, but the man knows about the dark side of the spiritual, I can tell you that lol. Say prayers for me and my friends that we can get an exorcist to my friend’s house. We’ve been trying for years. God bless ❤️✝️
Patrick Montgomery And I suppose you know more than St. Alphonsus, St Gertrude and every other saint who has had a devotion to helping souls in purgatory?
Patrick Montgomery And, your basis is on nothing. You’re literally just coming on here and be being a hateful person to Lizzie and that’s not okay. You don’t have a right saying if anyone is definitely in hell or not. That in itself is a sin. The sin of pride is the deadliest.
Patrick Montgomery Honey, please use proper grammar if you’re going to start coming for people. The arrows don’t make you more threatening. There’s no reason for you to be going after Lizzie and Catholics. And if you’re genuinely concerned, you should be looking more inwardly at yourself instead of judging others. We never know who will go to purgatory. It could be me. Or it could be you.
Patrick Montgomery you literally just told Lizzie that she smelled in another comment. I suppose petty insults are kind now. It’s not like that’s abusive or anything. *sigh*
Thanks Lizzi for this video. Your references are helpful and your enthusiasm is always bang on. May God bless you and your work so that you continue to reach out and inspire many more ❤️
Wow, you knocked me off with a feather, Lizzie. You have learned a lot from being a new convert. I am a Catholic since birth but I have not learned all these. May God Bless You and Grant You Long Life. STAY SAFE!! Pray the Oratio Imperata.
@@stever4181 What i commented talks about my interest in knowing more. Either you are still young or already old there is no wrong in searching the truth, especially in God's words. Your comment is even more shameful. You bragged to have memorized the Bible but no nothing how a true Christian should behave. I thought you're a Catholic. Shame on you!!!
@@mimieakutagawa5145 You are right and I apologize for sounding bombastic. I am not a Catholic nor could or would I ever be one. I base this on studying what God's word actually says. I also find that many Catholics do not read their Bibles but instead read the catechism which tells them about the CC not about what God's word says. It is a biased text to support the CC. {"there is no wrong in searching the truth, especially in God's words"} I absolutely agree with this! Which is why I study Scriptures and their meaning. However as an example Matthew 16: 18 is the foundation of the Catholic Religion and is wrongly interpreted. The CC has taken this verse out of context and applied it's own meaning to it. You said you are looking for the truth. May I suggest you start here? You can go online and look up meanings of words through 'Strongs'. In it you will see that Peter means 'stone or pebble' (petros). However Jesus said he will build his church on a 'Rock' (petra) which means a rocky out crop or boulder. The two words are not the same and do not have the same meaning. Jesus also talked about the man who built his house upon the rock (petra) not petros (stone/pebble). You now need to read verses 13-17. Verse 18 sums up verse 17. The rock or foundation is the revelation Peter received from God that "Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God". That is the foundation or rock and it is this that the gates of hell can not stand against. Read it over and over, ask questions of the text, learn what our English words really meant in Greek or Hebrew. To close, "church" means "a gathering of believers". Not in Peter but that Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah or Christ. It does not mean the CC. This is the truth and you will not find it in the CC. Pray about it and listen to the Holy Spirits response. He will lead you to all understanding. That in it's self is another thing to ponder. Lastly, I urge you to not to look at ANY religion for clarification of the Bible. Peter didn't! It was reviled to him by God (verse 16-17) The same is for all of God's people. The Bible (God's word) tells us to seek his face. It does not say seek a religion for understanding. I pray in Jesus Christ name you will see the truth as found in Scriptures.
@@stever4181 There is no way I shall leave my faith. What I am asking is to be more enlightened by what I believe. Why should I leave my church when it needs more of our support and unity in these trying times. I am here in the Philippines and I feel the devil's fever pitch effort of proselytizing more Catholics to leave the church and be converted to man-made churches. The petra and the petros you mentioned are both the same thing which is the rock. You use either words depending on the gender that goes along with the word. Now, if I'm going to ask the fate of the Catholic churches there in the USA, ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE WHO WILL REJOICE FOR WHAT HAD HAPPENED? FROM BURNING THE CHURCH TO VANDALIZING IMAGES, THEN WHAT NEXT, KILLING CATHOLICS? And these aren't happening only in the US but even in some European countries. Now, I may suggest -How about scanning the book of history about the "EARLY CHURCH FATHERS" or the "EARLY CHURCH CHRISTIANS"/ That would, possibly, give you an illumination of your conscience that once a Catholic church was founded by Christ before there was the BIBLE.
@@mimieakutagawa5145 You greatly misunderstand what I wrote. I am not asking you to leave your church. You said you wanted to learn truth. It is very clear by studying Scriptures that the CC is a man made religion and all man made religions are in error at some point. The CC is also a 'Religion' It is not a faith so you put your trust in a religion not Jesus Christ. If I wanted to learn about the CC I would look at the early Catholic Church fathers. I am not interested in your religion or any other religion only the word of God. Petros/ Petra Can you tell me why Jesus would build his church on a human that said many wrong things and denied Jesus 3 times. Or would Jesus build his church on himself, the Son of God and Christ. Which makes more sense and is more in keeping with God's word? I do not condone any violence to any church and to suggest such a thing you should be ashamed. If we do take a look at your CC history we find the CC did kill and oppress many people and still does. I have been told many times by so-called god fearing Catholics I am not saved because I do not belong to the CC. That is brain washing by the CC and The Bible says different. Lastly, your 'Faith' in in a religion not in God or Christ. My faith is in God/Jesus alone apart from any religion. Does this make me better that you? NO! Not at all we are all sinners and in need of a savior, Jesus Christ. Isn't that what Jesus meant in Matthew 16:18 as being the rock or foundation?
This is very timely for my transition into the Church. I've already decided I was going to but this was the thing that I was chewing on a lot the last week or two; Purgatory and Penance.
@Patrick Montgomery How on earth these Early Fathers were not inspired? Look at their lives and the kind of writings they had. They lived exemplary lives. SO, YOU'D RATHER GO AND BELIEVE YOUR PASTORS? I am a Filipino Catholic, and I see the same people like you here in the Philippines. If you heard Quiboloy- he proclaimed himself as the Appointed son of God. There is the Iglesia ni Cristo- which does not believe in the triune God, and there are lots of churches proclaiming they are christians.
@@LuisSalazar-vu4jd No, Luis Salazar. Jews doesn't belive hell is like Purgatory. Is omitted in this video, also the word Hades is a synonim of "Hells". You will find this word in chapters 26, 32 and 33 of Ezekiel book. Hells, Abisms, Hades are synonims. This 3 terms are in fact like divided. part is seol, and other part is the condenatory "Hell". Christ went to the saved part of the Hells, not to the condemned one. I'm a spanish speaker, sorry if you don't understand 100% my writting, but i think you would do the effort to understand them.
THANKS Lizzie. I have long considered purgatory as "the bathroom of Heaven" EG, if your President or state leader asked you to have a visit with him/her one would get their best set of clothes cleaned and then spend time cleaning their boy before getting dressed for the meeting. EVEN more so when going to meet our God!. Lizzie this need to be put together in a booklet so that us believers can contemplate you really good work!
@Patrick Montgomery I'm not arguing over the bible. You already think you know everything anyway so what good would it do. Tituss 3:9 says But avoid foolish questions, and geneolagies, and contentions, and strivings with the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
@Patrick Montgomery I am praying for your eyes to be opened to the truth. You are wrong about catholics. I did nothing foolish I just said what comes to mind when thinking of purgatory. What denomination are you? Btw
This is one of Lizzie's most beautiful videos because in my opinion she presents the purgatory theology as a joyful gift, rather than a punishment. Thanks Lizzie for your thorough research into this sweet but mostly misunderstood subject.
@Patrick Montgomery your response barely makes any sense. What I got is that you are saying the RCC lies. In that case the Bible istself would be a lie because it was put together by the RCC.
@Patrick Montgomery 'Wrong, The books in the Bible and many more had been written and circulated through christianity but there was not final consensus of which ones were inspired by God and which ones weren't. It was the RCC who settled which books should be the the Bible. But as you claim the RCC lies, then that cannon of books is not the inspired ones so why stick only to them as Word of God and look for the ones that did not make it into the Bible as well. The RCC would probably have lied there as well and we should be also referring to the Gospel of Thomas, the Apocalypse of Peter, The Epislte of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas and many more to be also considered the Word of God
This is such a excellent presented and thought out video. You have done your research and presented all your references so well. As a cradle Catholic, I always accepted the doctrine of purgatory and knew some of the basic arguments but your breath of knowledge is amazing. Coming from a protestant background like you do must have given you a lot of questions and criticisms of the Catholic viewpoint, which no doubt helped to direct your research. This, I am sure, would be particularly helpful to protestants in helping them understand the Catholic point. It might even help them see that the Churches teaching have more substance and are very different from what the protestant claims them to be. Have you thought of turning it into a written piece? As a video it is a little long and packed with information, though well presented. It needs a lot of study, and the references would be easier to get If it was in booklet form. You put forward so many good ideas however I liked your point about discounting the early Christian commenters while totally accepting the ones from the sixteenth century. That could be used in other situations when people prefer a modern commentary to more traditional ones. Thanks again for your video, I’ll be looking out for more of your presentations.
Matthew 21: 31 "Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE you.
Sorry to break it to you, but lots of mystics who saw purgatory souls say that the souls say they'd rather live the most horrible, painful life on Earth than spend a minute in purgatory. Yes, being sure of salvation and having a way better understanding of God they are truly happy. The sufferings of purgatory, nevertheless, are beyond description in our terms.. The souls say it is true fire - much more painful than the earthly fire as it is spiritual fire burning the soul.
@Patrick Montgomery sorry, I dont understand what you're writing here (I assume you disagree with something). When your hiccup is over try to formulate a proper statement or question that we'll be able to relate to.
Once again thanks for all of your work to prepare this presentation, I too love Oregin who was cast out of Sainthood, I think Pope Benedict tried to reform his position, Oregin was the most prolific writer of early Christians.
Rev.22:14, the washing of robes is a metaphor for purification from uncleanliness. It pronounces a blessing on those cleansed from sin, those who are saved through faith in Christ (Ephesians.1:7). In John 13:10-14, Jesus washes the disciples feet as an object lesson about spiritual cleansing. The Christian is fully washed in the blood of the Lamb, he/she may sin occasionally and finds cleansing for that sin by confessing it to the Lord. ( 1 John 1:9). He/she doesn’t have to be washed again in the blood of Christ.
Am a Catholic for all of life and i am 32 years now but am not deep as you are now! but i wonder you have only 2 years since yuo become a Catholic. I can't imagine you with 10 years experience ❤❤❤ God bless you so much your are intelligent, and good student, using scientific methods to prove the truth of catholicism. In addition to prayers for the dead or Pugatory, one day i was with Muslim and we went to open the water well donated by the Muslim but for that time of opening the well the, the donor has died, but during opening prayer, they pray for that dead man so that God to reduce the punishment for him and i wonder that e even Muslims pray for the dead!! I hear it by my ears because i was working with them. But also the Bible tell us that our God is not God of dead Mark 12:27 There is no death to God we just sleep Luke 8:48-56.
Can you link your sources or can anyone give me sources on purgatory? Because I decided to write my thesis on Purgatory by Dante and how it relates to the Catholic teaching on Purgatory. (Literature student) :)
Purgatory explained in the "Catholicism" series: www.wofdigital.org/the-last-things/season:1/videos/catholicism-10-part-3 Also, the 7 deadly sins correspond to the 7 stories of Dante’s Mt. Purgatory: www.wofdigital.org/seven-deadly-sins-seven-lively-virtues
Probably is very late It's difficult to relate purgatory and Dante. Actually Dante refers not exactly to the purgatory, instead of that, refers to the Hades. Hades has in one of it's part the purgatory. Also it's sumerian belive, you can find the Abisms on the sumerian belives, you will find this word Abisms mainly in the firsts books of the Bible.
For the longest time I didn't understand purgatory . I was raised in the protestant church. I was baptized in the Catholic church.1979 My first communion 1980.I was 21 years old when I was baptized. Now I am 66 .I been a member of the Catholic Church for 44 years .Ieft the church 8 or 9 years I did many confessions . Now i'm Been back 9 weeks take holy communion . I go to confession regularly what's a month . And I go to mass regularly .
Lizzie, thank you so much for these videos. You have no idea. I have decided to convert to Catholicism. I would be the only Catholic in my entire family. Your videos are helping me understand the theology while I read my catechism.
@Logan Ofsanko Sorry to inform you but that is a lie by the Catholic Church. Jesus started 'his' church in Matthew 16: 13-19. It does not read he established the "Catholic Church". It is 'only' Catholic traditions that says this and it is not part of God's word. You will not find anything in the Bible that teaches Jesus started the Catholic Church. Therefore it is man made and wrong!
@@stever4181 what is the meaning of the word 'catholic'? ;) And if something is not mentioned in the Bible by word, it doesn't mean that it don't exist. Lizzie did a good job at researching Purgatory in the Bible, watch the video ;)
@@matijavrscak6461 'catholic' Lets take a look at words. 'catholic' with a small 'c' means universal. Catholic with a capitol 'C' means Roman Catholic Church. Catholic comes from the Latin translation of the greek word 'katholikos' which means universal. It is talking about the 'church' which means, 'A body of believers, a congregation.' If a person believes in Christ Jesus as Savior and Son of God, they belong to this universal church. It is not a 'religion' as the CC would have you believe. The CC definition is based on their own traditions set up not by God but by man, the magisterium of the CC. I did watch the video. Lizzi's point of view is totally from the dictation of the CC and not on God's spoken word. It therefore comes from a man made religion. If something comes from outside the Bible it and is from God, it will conform to what is inside the Bible. If it does not then it is not from God but man.
@@stever4181 good that you have researched it! This is the universal church established by the Lord himself. That means outside of that, ppl are not in full conection with God. It has its order it has its hierarchy. And the Holy Spirit guides it. Not everything is writen in the Bible, thats why tradition is very important to make a whole, to know what the early Christians who were timely close Jesus believed in, not everyone could write and it was very expensive. To actualy know what something means in the Bible you must study it, a lot... thats what the church did in the whole history. And it is amazing that orthodoxy and catholicism today are practicly the same in teachings and the protestants are devided in 40000 branches who even contradict themselfs and bring 40000 different views about God.
My dad was baptist He died 2019 I'm sure my dad's in portuguese he was He practiced what he believed A homeless man ask for money for food my dad went out bought some food for him and gave him a few nights and a motel He did what we do was catholics help Other people . When i'm thinking about it I pray to mary for her to talk to her son jesus christ at my dad who get out of purgatory And go to heaven .
Hello !!! ... Very interesting program. I have been a Catholic for 19 years but during that time I had the opportunity to have a strong approach to many Protestant currents (Presbyterians, Methodists and free). I even had a good friend who was deeply Protestant. This caused us to have many strong discussions about it. One of the topics that we were discussing was purgatory and in fact I could not show a biblical quote that could speak about it. I had reviewed a few things in the past, but, they seemed to me that they did not give a correct and direct answer ... Anyway, thanks for the guidance, I am going to look for these quotes to review them ... God bless you, see you soon !! !
I have the oportunity to check some the scripture quotations that you tell. After reviewing these quotes, in my judgment, I consider the interpretation to be very metaphorical. It seems to me that this can be interpreted in many different ways and I really can't see that speaking of purgatory directly.
First you need to look at what Jews think about Hell. For Jews, Hell is like a Purgatory. This is why Christians believe in Purgatory. Look at any Jews web page and you will understand better. When I visit Jews webs helped me to understand Catholic doctrine.
I sure wish I would’ve known you when I first converted to Catholicism many many years ago I didn’t have many friends I didn’t really get a clear understanding of everything and now I am Back in the church I am grateful for your videos keep them up stay positive
Welcome back home, Carissa. I'm catholic, from Argentina. Well, if you hadn't got many friends or you are still in that situation, you should talk to the priest, with respet of course, asking to do some comunity activity, for example a comunity dinner sometimes, to make some integration. You know, Catholic Church differs from the rest because the rest basically doesn't interact with "non-belivers". That's because they have many points on BITE model (google it), in other words, they qualify to be catalogued as a sectarism organization. Catholic community must have some social activity, but it must not be closed to the rest. sports, dinners, events like that can be organized for social integration, even with non-catholic people. Best wishes from Argentina :)
@@tomasirn it is somewhat improving I have met a bunch of people and some stay in contact with me via Internet phone and sometimes we meet at church it’s still kind of quick meeting after church because I am a wheelchair user but it is getting better and I’ve only been going to the church since maybe September but I think I’m starting meet people and we can have conversation theology faith and support each other a little bit one had even said that I can go and meet with their family and spend time I am trying to figure out how that would be but I guess when we meet next in church I might talk about it with them because I think it might be cool maybe I could request a Bible study I do a lot of study online so it’s really helpful today what is a great day at church.Most people are very helpful and kind I think they find it shocking though that nobody takes me to church and I go by myself but a.m. meeting lots of people and I do get to have theological conversation which I like thank you I hope you are well
@@tomasirn Sorry if my explanation was a little long or I repeated some thing twice I may have because I found it to be good and I wanted to emphasize it but when I write I use your voice app so it’s a little bit scattered thanks for reaching out
@@carissahanson9887 I'm catholic, from Argentina. We are more advanced in apologhetics than what you can find in english since it started like 20-30 years earlier in spanish. You know, instead of a regular bible study, try to find someone who speaks spanish and english, and you can look for videos of Padre Luis Toro. He is a mercy missionary, sent by the Pope to all the world. If you don't find anyone who speaks spanish and english as well, you can try enabling the youtube translator, it puts automatically the subtitles. I'm sure you will learn a lot from this priest. You can meet all together to watch his videos. There are about 1000 mercy missioners in all the world, so there aren't many. :)
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18:6
@Alan Cortez I'm unable to read or respond to your last postings. You either deleted the entire thread after posting your last comment (thinking you would get the 'last 'word'- which is ironic because I'm able to read it at all), or it was deleted by the moderator of this page
Jesuschrist said on the cross ' tetelestai ' is finished ' saying that you have to go to purgatory to purify your sin ' is saying that the sacrifice of christ was not enough to clean our sins and to pay for them
Heres what I gather from reading of the Gospel i may be wrong since i am new with my journey, they were 2 thieves next to Jesus when he was on the cross one who mocked him and the other who had the fear of LORD in him. Well we can see that they stealed so it could represent sinners (we all our sinners) but the thief who feared the LORD would be with paradise with him (and it could represent those who died in believing in Jesus Christ came from God would be with Jesus in paradise) and the other thief who mocked Jesus could represent those who rejected God and we know where they go so from what i had study from this could mean they're only two places we go after we go and keep in mind im new with my journey with God so please correct me if I am wrong. God bless you ❤ 🙏
Light Bringer Limbo is not catholic doctrine. It was believed in the Middle Ages to be a place where unbaptized babies went if they died, because of original sin as opposed to hell. It’s not heavily believed in today.
@@thehippiecatholic Hebrews 9:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 10:10-12 King James Version (KJV) 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 2 Corinthians 5:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
viding7607 Mt 12:31 And so I tell you that people can be forgiven any sin and any evil things they says, * but whoever says evil things against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 12:35 36 " You can be sure that on judgement Day everyone will have to give account of every useless word he has ever spoken. 37 Your words will be used to judge you-to declare you either innocent or guilty
@@Onniesprairiegarden it is a Catholic theology.....not Jesus. It is not Biblical. RCC have a lot of claims and ASSUMPTIONS that Jesus never said ......Lizzie is WRONG
Hello Lizzie and thank you for your explanation! I have read that the Jewish Bible did not contain the Maccabees so I was wondering where you have read that Jesus Christ might have known and used those books as part of his canon. Thank you!
You do realize that Septuagint did have books of the deuterocanonical Cannon & Jesus speaks from the deuterocanonical as well. U can research this info urself. God bless
Heaven (God's domain): Nothing from earth can enter, because no sin can be there. Paradise: This is where righteous souls / believers live, waiting for the resurrection. Hell: The domain where evil souls, demons and fallen angels are kept, waiting for the day of judgment.
When you started out with Enoch, I knew what this video was gonna be about. There is a reason why we consider cannon what we consider cannon. Non-cannon books like that directly contradict with cannon books that say things like “it is appointed once for a man to die, then after that the judgement. (Heb 9:27). We are judged by what we do in this life. We don’t get a second chance after life to try to get it right. Hitler is in hell and anyone who repented and had faith in Jesus is in heaven. That’s it.
mathew 5 25 “When you are on the way to court with your adversary, settle your differences quickly. Otherwise, your accuser may hand you over to the judge, who will hand you over to an officer, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 And if that happens, you surely won’t be free again until you have paid the last penny.[i] is this text talking about spiritual or world adversaries ' because if its talking about spirituality ' our adversarie is satan ' and we cannot settle aour diffre ces with the devil ' but we can with a person ' because our war is not against flesh but spirits demons ' governors of darkness
I was raised Protestant, and now go to an Episcopal church, but I was always taught that verse meant that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin when we are in Heaven. That is why Satan and the demons will not be forgiven for their rebellion, and If anyone in Heaven blasphemes the Holy Spirit, they will not be forgiven either. I don't see how that verse backs up Purgatory in any way.
SAo what the CC is saying is Jesus isn't enough you need the CC to be saved. That, is a different Christ to what Scriptures say and therefore from the Devil!
@@stever4181 Exactly......they have a DAMNABLE ACCURSED DOCTRINE Lies .......TO make you think you can escape hell.. Liars Especially CATHOLIC TRUTH.... This guy is so IGNORANT and run his mouth like he know exactly what he talking about .... IDIOT
So, if the fire and the punishment in the purgatory is something necesary and good, and if people are joyful there, why to pay indulgences? Why to pray for their punishment to finish or to be avoid?
Its not that they are happy but rather joyful, they know they are getting a deserved punishment and they know they are going to Heaven, it's not that there is no pain its that, the pain is overshadowed by what is to come
Hi Lizzie, thank you. Your answer to the topic justifies my argument to a relative protestant pastor who claims that there is no purgatory in the bible. Is it true? Even if true, your reading the passages tells otherwise.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53 verse 5
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning.
It is fair to point out that the Thessalonians were at a disadvantage compared to Christians today. They did not have all the written books of New Testament Scripture. Paul wrote both of his epistles to Thessalonica very early in the New Testament era-about A.D. 51. The two letters were probably written only a few months apart and are among the very earliest of all the New Testament writings. The Thessalonians’ primary source of authoritative gospel truth was Paul’s teaching. As an apostle, Paul taught with absolute authority. When he taught them, his message was the Word of God, and he commended them for recognizing that: “For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe” (1 Thessalonians 2:13). Elsewhere he said that the commandments he gave them were “by the authority of the Lord Jesus” (1 Thessalonians 4:2). The substance of what he taught them represented the same body of truth that is available to us in the New Testament. How do we know? Paul himself said so. Even as he was recording his inspired epistle to them, he reminded them, “Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?” (2 Thessalonians 2:5). The written Word simply confirmed and recorded for all time the authoritative truth he had already taught them in person. These epistles were a written reminder of what they had already heard from Paul’s own mouth (1 Thessalonians 4:2). Second Thessalonians 2:15 confirms this: “Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” There he declares, first of all, that his epistles to them are authoritative, inspired truth. This verse is a clear statement that Paul himself regarded these epistles as inspired Scripture. But notice also that this verse joins the apostolic “traditions” with the written Word of God. The “traditions” necessary for Christians to be discerning are recorded for all ages in the text of Scripture. Those who claim that apostolic tradition is other truth in addition to Scripture often attempt to use this verse for support. Note, however, that Paul is not saying that “the traditions [they] were taught” are different from the written Scriptures. Rather, he links the two, affirming that the written Word of God is the only permanent and authoritative record of the apostolic tradition. He is specifically suggesting that the Thessalonians should not trust “word of mouth” or letters pretending to be from apostolic sources. Only what they had heard firsthand from Paul’s own lips or read in authentic letters from him were they to treat as authoritative, divine truth. That is why Paul usually signed his epistles “with [his] own hand” (1 Corinthians 16:21; Galatians 6:11; Colossians 4:18; 2 Thessalonians 3:17; Philemon 19). With this in mind, 2 Thessalonians 2:15 cannot be used to support the claim that extrabiblical, spiritually binding “apostolic tradition” is passed down verbally through popes and bishops. Paul’s whole point was that the Thessalonians should treat as authoritative only what they had heard from his own mouth or received from his own pen. That body of truth-the Word of God-was to be the measuring stick they used to examine all things. Two other verses confirm this. In 2 Thessalonians 3:6 Paul writes, “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.” And in verse 14 he adds, “If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame.” Therefore, Paul is affirming that the Bible is the only reliable criterion by which believers in this age can evaluate messages claiming to be truth from God.
Christiana, your conclusion is incorrect....The crust of the matter is ...Is the traditions today what Paul and the early fathers handed over or not?....If yes, we accept it and hand them over to the next generation; if not, we ignore.....That's all.
Around 12 minutes in, I have a question. How can God punishes us in purgatory according to our sins if He promises that He forgets our sins if we ask for forgiveness? “I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Jeremiah 31:34) “As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us” (Psalm 103:12) "You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea" (Micah 7:19). Also the idea of needing to be "purified" by fire of our sins before entering heaven doesn't make sense as an argument for purgatory, according to these bible verses. "But if we live in the light in the same way as he is in the light, we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin" (1 John 1:7) "In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:52). This verse in particular says we are prepared for heaven in an instant, being given new immortal bodies that are ready for heaven. Hades/Sheol is simply the place of the dead. I was a bit lost at how it relates to purgatory. "In this age, or in the age to come", simply in the time of the writing and in the future, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not forgiven. The passage you read somehow interpreted "the age to come" as purgatory? I know you go by early Christian interpretations and not your own, but those are also interpretations by individuals, and I can't help but say this one in particular is clutching at straws.
Lizzie, what a great job! If you ever re-do the video include Jesuses parable Luke 12:42-47 as a direct proof of Purgatory. Keep up the good work. God bless, David
I have the oportunity to check some the scripture quotations that you tell. After reviewing these quotes, in my judgment, I consider the interpretation to be very metaphorical. It seems to me that this can be interpreted in many different ways and I really can't see that speaking of purgatory directly.
Lizzie: punishment is a positive thing. Me: ???????? There is nothing positive about punishment in of itself. It's a means to an end. If there is another means to the end, do that instead.
"For you, God, tested us; you refined us like silver" -Psalm 66:10 Not sure, but i think a priest mentioned that the puriefier of silver knows that the silver is purified when he can see his reflection on it...in the same way, God knows that we are puriefied in purgatory when he can see the image of his beloved son(Jesus) in us in purgatory...if that is the case then we should not wait till we get to purgatory...we should start imitating Jesus now while we are still alive...
Purification of any metal after the dross is removed is very shiny. This is the work Jesus did on the cross. There is no need for purgatory because of Jesus. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6) Notice Jesus did not mention purgatory because it does not exist!
@@stever4181What about Peter he quoted Joel spoke about " This is what I will do in the last days, God says. I will pour out my Spirit on everyone, your sons and daughters will proclaim my message your young men will see visions and your old men will have dreams, Yes, even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they will proclaim my message. 2:16-18 What about James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning. 22 Do not deceive yourselves by just listening to his word, instead, but does not put it into practice 23 Whoever listens to the word but does not put it into practice is like a man who looks in a mirror and sees himself as he is. 24-25 But those who look closely into the perfect law that set people free, who keep on paying attention to it and do not simply listen and forget it, but put it into practice they will all blessed by God in what they do.
I love your explanation. One point that is commonly debated as false by Protestants is the existence of Purgatory. To me there is no reason to doubt because I believe not only in the doctrine but of what our Holy Mother has told her beloved saints and seers about it, and also people who has died and witnessed it. It only makes sense because otherwise, even someone is saved (from hell) we are impure and the impure CANNOT enter heaven, but does not go to hell because they repented and confessed to God so he forgive them, so where to they go? To Purgatory to finish their purification most definitely.
@@TriciaRPEvery good gift comes from God James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning.
Luke 12:42-48 please try to read these verses... I found out that the (1) faithful servant receives a reward and that is heaven.. the (2) unfaithful or unbeliever servant receives a condemnation into eternal punishment and that is hell.. the (3) unprepared servant will be beaten with many stripes.. while (4) ignorant servant did things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few stripes... The question is, in what place that the (3rd) and (4th) servants they would go? Perhaps, they can not enter heaven at once for they are not fit enough and also, they would not be in hell because there's no hope there..... Luke 12:59 "I tell you, you will by no means get out of there, until you have paid the very last penny."
Too easy to refute. Jesus Christ during His time and ministry on earth never sinned. He was perfect; without flaw or blemish. From birth and up until His crucifixion, Jesus Christ never once trespassed against God in any way; neither small nor large. And, the reason why He lived a perfectly sinless life is because had he sinned even once, just one sin, whether it be a moment of gossip, got even mildly drunk or even told a white lie, He would have had failed in His task to be the perfect redeemer. Any one sin regardless of how small or seemingly insignificant would have negated Him as the perfect Lamb of God and His sacrifice would have had no effect whatsoever. To take on the sin of the world, Jesus Christ had to first be without sin entirely. It is a task that only He could do and no one else. For redemption, God requires perfection; like Him, without flaw or sin, and Christ was the only one who could and would be able to fit that criteria. Christ adhered to the standard set forth by God that only sinlessness would suffice in the eyes of God; perfection without blemish, as all else would be doomed to destruction. And this corroborates with the Revelation of God perfectly that sin, of any kind condemns entirely. Romans 18:23 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. There is no such thing as purgatory because, if purgatory was real then Jesus Christ COULD have sinned. Christ could have committed the Catholic fabrication 'Venial sins' (Lesser sins). But, He did not. He committed no sin. Christ spoke plenty about hell but never once spoke, alluded to or hinted towards the existence of 'Purgatory'. Christ never spoke of such a place because it would have formed an exemption and, a contradiction to the requirement for a perfect sacrifice. If Christ could have sinned then that would have been made apparent in scripture, but scripture is extremely clear that not only was Christ sinless but that was the absolute requirement for the atonement. 2 Cor 5:21 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. This means that sinners are righteous before God because Jesus' righteousness is imputed to them. However, Catholicism explicitly rejects this teaching. Catholics have fabricated a teaching that righteousness is infused into a person at baptism and that is what makes man good and, is the beginning of them becoming a Christian. If purgatory exists then it is the logical conclusion that man CAN sin, they can just not commit greater sins; as long as they commit nothing more than lesser sins they will not go to hell. But, this flies in the face of revelation: Romans 6:23 23 For the wage of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The doctrine of purgatory also implies that Catholics are destined to heaven initially but their choice to sin dooms them, instead of what is revealed in scripture which is that man is destined to destruction but by choosing fellowship with Christ then instead are made righteous and can come to be before God. In addition, the doctrine of Sola Fide stands confirmed and assured by God that faith in Christ saves, and saves absolutely, eternally and entirely from all sin: Acts 13:39 39 Through him everyone who [believes is set free from every sin, a justification] you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Because faith in Christ saves, and not temporarily or in part regarding sins but entirely, that is, ALL sins are remitted and forgiven implies that there can be no purgatory because salvation in Christ assures that the soul who is saved will go straight into the presence of God. If purgatory exists then God created it for the purpose of ensuring more people would go to heaven than less, but the case is that this is false because God has established that sin itself leads to destruction without variance and that only perfection without sin can have eternal life. Humans cannot be perfect nor can they be without sin, and God punishes all sin as all sin leads to destruction without exemption. However, Catholics counter this by pointing out that God punishes people differently for different sins, which is true, but punishment after death is the same regardless, and all sin leads to destruction ultimately without exception (Romans 6:23). So, in conclusion, purgatory does not exist because: 1. It is not revealed in scripture whatsoever, and Christ has had ample time to discuss and explain it, but He did not. 2. The doctrine of purgatory contradicts the requirement of perfection set forth by God Himself which would give concession to sin; wrong doing, which is rebellion against God. All sin is rebellion against God. 3. Purgatory cannot exist because God would not create a safety net for the sinner, because that would have set fourth the assumption in the minds of man that if God punishes lesser sins then some sins are permissible; people would use this as an excuse to justify their wrong doing. This does not imply that God would allow lesser sins but that He would treat sin differently after death and, His revelation that all sin leads to destruction would be a false revelation. It is exactly because mankind cannot be without sin and are destined to destruction that we need Christ; we need a perfect sacrifice to take away all of sin so that upon forming a fellowship with Him, He can make us righteous and can mediate between God and us, and through Him and only His sinless perfection can be we saved, because nothing we do can save ourselves or each other. This leads me to the doctrine of Indulgences. Indulgences is also a fabrication of the Catholic church and corroborates with purgatory. Indulgences is the unbiblical Catholic doctrine that believers can pay to reduce punishment in purgatory. Indulgences is still a common practice of Catholics today. Plenary Indulgences: For those on the point of death without access to Anointing or the Viaticum (Last Rites), they can receive a plenary indulgence if they want forgiveness, detest sin and 'have recited at least a few prayers during their lifetime.' If possible, it is recommended that the person see or touch a crucifix or cross. It is worth noting that the documents of Vatican II have more sections on Indulgences than they have on Justification. In fact, the modern popes still give out Plenary Indulgences; a full remission of all the temporal punishments of sins upon your soul for committing certain acts. Indulgences are not only a clear fabrication but are exactly unbiblical and contrary to revelation: Psalm 49:7-8 7 No man can possibly redeem his brother or pay his ransom to God. 8 For the redemption of his soul is costly, and never can payment suffice In addition to this Psalm, that it is impossible to pay a ransom for the soul of another also implies that it is impossible to pay the ransom on the soul of oneself. For if no one can redeem you, then you certainly cannot redeem yourself. If purgatory existed, which by the revelation of God not only does not but cannot then Indulgences would have no effect upon it. Purgatory is a man-made doctrine that does not corroborate with or, is taught about in scripture, and if it did it would have been made as apparent as hell, heaven and salvation. This is the perfect proof that negates the Catholic fabrication of 'Purgatory', as well as the fabrication that is 'Indulgences'. If there is one thing that can be taken away from the differences between Christians and Catholics regarding the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is that Christians have a greater respect for scripture and the Gospel and the atonement of Christ than Catholics, but also reject and rebuke Catholic doctrine which negates and degrades the perfection and work of Christ and the clear revelation of God. Catholics are misled to their inevitable destruction by lies and fabricated doctrines not revealed in scripture but rather have been explicitly warned against. Purgatory does not exist, because by the nature, content and context of Revelation, it CANNOT exist. And Indulgences exist as a money-making scheme to fool the gullible Catholic into paying money to get their deceased loved ones out of a place that is Biblically confirmed impossible to exist. Too. Easy.
@Mrkev1664 You stated "Yes God forgiveness still came through Christ action on the cross" If Christ forgave us, well then, by how much? Did he forgive some of our sins? Or all our sins? If it's all then there is no need for purgatory.
Christ be with you Even though we are cleared of the sin itself by Gods forgiveness our sin has caused blasphemy against God which must be paid for so the need for purgatory remains/ And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. God bless you
Well I’m the Book of Hebrews 1:3 translated into Latin says “Et sit splendor Domini Dei gloriam (A), et figura substantiæ ejus, (B) omnia continentem (C) potentia eius est. Post se, purgationem peccatorum faciens”
Good day. a) I believe that 1Peter 3:19 is not referring to hell (eternal fire) where disobedient spirits were being imprisoned. b) (Hebrews 9:27-28) I don't believe that ONLY the living are waiting for the second coming of Christ to receive the promise of salvation but also the imprisoned spirits. Being disobedient is different from being unbeliever. Even Christians nowadays (including non-catholics) rampantly disobey God. c) I believe that the true "hell" (eternal fire) is final and it will happen on the judgement day. I don't believe that Jesus will go there to preach or proclaim after casting the wicked on fire. The normal process is: Preach/proclaim first before judging/condemning. d) No need to scrutenize the term "purgatory", after all its the Bible's thought that counts.
concerning your point d), the Holy Trinity is a term that doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible. But is it not worth scrutinizing? People develop new words for things that were only alluded to or described in the Bible, that doesn't make these things unreal.
Peace be with you. In the Bible Jesus talks about purgatory. Jesus gives a parable about this topic in Luke 16:19-31, Abraham’s bosom (purgatory) is a resting place. See clarification of bosom in John 13:23 - John rested on Jesus’ bosom. Also Peter says Jesus died and preached to the spirits in prison/purgatory 1Peter 3:17-22, which Jesus takes people from purgatory into heaven, Why would Jesus preach to the eternal damned? These are pointed out from Dr Brant Pitre (Catholic Apologist) and Dr Scott Hahn (Catholic Convert/Apologist). However we are to aim for heaven, avoid hell and purgatory is not forever/temporary, Rev 20:11-15. Which is why Jesus/Bible does not talk too much about purgatory. Some Protestant brothers and sisters believe that only thru Jesus dying on the cross heaven is achieved, in a chronological time point of view. Which is another reason why purgatory exists, the righteous dead, not perfect, were waiting for Jesus to die on the cross, go into purgatory and take them to heaven - Luke 23:43 & 1Peter 3:17-22. However, Enoch (Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) were taken in to heaven, body and soul, which is an exception from the rule (which can be explained by the Trinity, Jesus/God the Father/Holy Spirit took Enoch and Elijah into heaven, as God spans time and space) - and are cases of why we believe in Mary’s body and soul Assumption. I mean we are Catholics, we would have venerated Mary’s body/relics if it were still on Earth! And built a church for it! To other points Protestants are complaining to you about on the comments on this UA-cam video: Protestants point out of how bad the Catholic Church is and it does have bad people in it. But don’t be discouraged. Why even Jesus had Judas Iscariot in his apostles. You must remember Jesus came for the sinner, Luke 5:32. Biblical passages on Priesthood is given by Dr Brant Pitre. From a Jewish point of view. Moses and the 70/72 Elders/Helpers/Priests Numbers 11:16-25 and Jesus and the 70/72 Luke 10:1-3. Not just the 12 apostles. Eucharist, Jesus in the Real Presence, John 6:35-69. Dr Scott Hahn has heaps of bible verses on Mary the Mother of God (Luke). The Perpetual Virginity (Arc of Covenant), Immaculate Conception - Conceived without Original Sin, remember Adam, Eve and Jesus are also part of this club. Assumption Body and Soul into Heaven (Enoch & Elijah), Queen of Heaven and Earth (Revelation, Intersession of Mary to Jesus (Bathsheba to King Solomon), etc. One truth, one church, John 14:6. Mathew 16:18, if Protestants think that the Catholic Church is the “Whore of Babylon” then Jesus is a liar. Jesus said even the “gates of hell will not over come it” that is no one no matter how bad will destroy Jesus’ church the Catholic Church. Lizzie I enjoy your work and reminds me of my conversion. I am a cradle Catholic that became a Protestant and converted back to a Catholic some 20 yrs ago.
Sir none of the scriptures you listed prove that purgatory exists. The scriptures you chose have nothing to do with purgatory all were taken out of context. I say this to you out of concern for your soul. This has nothing to do with you being Catholic. You are truly lost and focused on false doctrine. Your site the opinions of apologetics that based there theological facts on ideas that di not line up with scripture. 2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works. Back up to veres 15 And from a child thou hast know the Holy scriptures which are able to make the wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. You do not need the wisdom of men nor do you need the false doctrine of purgatory to save you. Read Romans 10:10 YOU MUST BELIEVE WITH YOUR HEART AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH UNTO SALVATION. Read Acts 1:8 you need the Holy Ghost read 2nd Corinthians 5:17 YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN YOU MUST BECOME A NEW CREATURE. Read John 3:5 you must be born again. READ ROMANS 12:2 YOUR MIND MUST BE RENEWED BY THE WORD OF GOD NOT BY THE OPINIONS OF MEN. READ ROMANS 10:17 FAITH COMES ONE WAY THROUGH HEARING THE WORD OF GOD. ACTS 2:38 THEN PETER SAID UNTO THEM REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. STOP BEING CONCERED WITH FALSE DOCTRINE AND GET YOUR MIND AND HEART ON JESUS. ACTS 4:12 says there is no other name under heaven whereby men must be saved. Read John 14:6 Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by him. You don't need anything or anyone but Jesus. The spirits in prison are those who died before the resurrection and did not hear the gospel of Jesus Christ they are not in purgatory there are several schools of thought to who he preached to but it definitely does not fit in with the false doctrine of purgatory. The Bible is the only true source of God's word. John 17:17 says his word is truth. I hope this helps you understand to put your trust im Jesus and not man.
i really am afraid of this. its changing my life…. :( i come from a very christian background (and i love it) ive been in RCIA for a month, im very scared of this….. 😢 i hope that lady you mentioned in the beginning is right……. sheesh
Don't be afraid. It isn't true! Jesus died on the cross for your sins if you have accepted him as your Lord and savior. This means that you give your very life to Jesus all the days of your life. You do not give your life to a religion as the Catholics do. Faith is in Jesus alone! It is never in a religion.
@@stever4181 your religion uses modern day music which is all demonic inspired from rock n roll to rnb........protestantism is all about feeling good and not doing God's will just like the founder of you religion(Martin Luther, Joseph Smith, Calvin etc) 500 years ago
@@cruznature7545 I've since asked two Orthodox priests and they deny this. Toll houses are allegorical. Yes, they continue the practice of praying for the dead, but there is no assurance about what happens after death beyond our own particular judgement. It remains a mystery according to their Orthodox Church's official teachings. Therefore, toll houses are not a dogma whereas if you don't believe in Purgatory - you are consigned to hell.
There are so many things wrong with this video: it seems to be suggesting that every living soul will eventually be purified in purgatory by fire and be saved into the kingdom (even the most wicked). While this may be a comforting thought for some people, it does not line up with the Bible. I use KJV for literal translations. Read; Isaiah 66:24 ( this fire will utterly destroy the wicked. Repent in this life!) please John 3:15,16 and Luke 13:5. (perish means the soul for eternity) Revelation 3:5 (Being blotted out of the book of life suggests a final forever death for the person) Malachi 4:1-3 (this death is final) Revelation 22:11 (at some point probation is over and all will have made their choices. This is done in this life here not after the 1st death. ) Revelation 21:8 (mentions a second death, this is not a second chance at everlasting life but a final destruction of all the wicked and death itself.) Ecclesiastes 9:5 (speaks for itself: the dead are not awake, no need to pray for them, but for the living!) please
I like your Spirit of sharing messages.. and I pray that Holy Spirit will guide you in Spirit and in truth.. and for a better biblical hermeneutics.. more power..
I believe that purgatory is the fire within God that purifies both righteousness and unrighteousness. It's not a place.. hey!! I'm a catholic, I'm not against the idea of purgatory...
@@georgeibrahim7945 you all are TOLD LIES.....There is no purgatory....It is said to make you think you aren't finished yet and have a chance AFTER YOU DIE TO LIVE holy. Nope....once you die IT IS appointed once to die and THEN JUDGMENT...... RCC lying on God and JESUS. Lies TOLD to you LIES THEY HAVE TOLD you LIES THEY HAVE TOLD YOU
In Luke 16:19-31 the place for the unrighteous dead is Hades also known as Sheol. Here they await judgement according to the Old Testament Jews. The place of the righteous dead is Paradise Luke 23:43. The belief in Universalism, that all will eventually be saved is not in the Bible, otherwise it makes a mockery of the Crucifixion and faith in Christ. Just live your life as you want then get a second chance in Purgatory is not a biblical concept. Chapter 25 of Matthew, the judgement of the nations, the sheep and goats are separated. The parable of the ten virgins and the parable of the talents teach us to be watchful and to actively be good.
It's sad seeing many protestants condemning us catholics. They say that it is unbiblical or it's only the churcj's interpretation, yet they do the same. A question to all protestants, how can it be that what your interpretation is true and not ours? How can the sacred scripture be compiled without the authority of those here on earth? Hating people is not what Jesus taught. Let your love for them and Jesus lead them to Him and not such words that condemn others. LOVE is the way to GOD, not HATE. #LEADOTHERSWITHLOVE
Christians do not hate Catholic People! They hate the lies the RCC uses to enslave those people. You said, "LOVE is the way to GOD," Not true at all. Is this the teaching of the RCC? Try reading the Bible. Jesus is the only way to God! "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". (John 14:6) Notice there is no mention of Mary in what Jesus said!
@@stever4181 I said let our love and Jesus lead them to God. It is what Jesus wants us to do. He never said to start condemning people like there is no chance for them. I understand where you are coming from and I know you just want the best for us, and I thank you for that in behalf of our entire community. Have a blessed day and may God's eternal love and forgiveness shine upon all of us!
@@josephmae1519 Again I have to correct you. Our love may motivate us to speak of Jesus. However, our love will not lead them to Jesus. That is up to the Holy Spirit that works in a person's life and then only if that person subjects himself to Jesus through repentance of sin. What Jesus wanted us to do was to believe that he is the Son of God and the messiah, the savior. That is clear throughout the NT. No church can save us and in fact there are a plethora of churches that do just the opposite. Sad to say but the Catholic church is one of them. Bells and whistles should go off when any church declares itself to be the one true church or that salvation is only through that church. Thank you for your blessing and may I also say may Christ rich blessing be with you today.
The premise of Purgatory is "To purify from any imperfection by fire" Just as Lizzie stated in her video @2:22. However, the Bible states in (1 John 1:7) it is Jesus's blood that performs this work. Therefore, purgatory becomes null. You can't have it both ways, otherwise, you put the bible in a state of contradiction.
Purgatory is the work of Christ on the cross. There is no other way to obtain forgiveness and mercy from God, or purification of sin. St. Paul says there is no foundation for salvation apart from Christ in 1 Cor. 3:11; then only a few verses later he states that those who build imperfectly on that foundation will still be saved, but only as through fire, suffering loss (1 Cor. 3:13-15). Paul does not separate the purifying fire from the foundation that is Christ, so why should we? Purgatory is an EXTENSION of Christ's saving work, not something separate from it... at least, according to St. Paul's inspired writing.
@@robertsutton8255 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 does NOT prove purgatory, it refers to a believer's works which will be tested by fire to determine if they will receive a reward for that work. Also note that 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 makes no mention of sins, but rather works.
Johnny Boy You can’t take a modern English dictionary and call them synonyms. How would a 1st century Jew differentiate themselves? Someone who knows the Law.
Hebrews 10:14 "For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy" If we're saved we have been made perfect, therefore no need for purgatory to do any further work since Christ did all the work for us completely. Why have Purgatory if the saved are cleanse wholly from all unrighteousness? Why have Purgatory if Jesus's blood purifies us completely (1 John 1:7)?
Christ be with you Heb 10:14 is telling us that we are cleansed of the sin forever. it does not refer to the blasphemy our sin has caused against God. (2 Sam 12:13-14) and it is not telling us we cannot sin again God bless you
@Patrick Montgomery Christ be with you *you say* BUT!!! YOU ARE NOT KING DAVID!!! *response* No, I am not King David, did the different manes give it away, It may surprise you that while I am not King David, God still loves me. My sin still cause harm as King David did, *you say* and the only one who mentioned sinning again!!! IS YOU??? *response* yes, I was responding to how "forever made perfect" often gets mistaken for not being able to sin again by protestants, I recognise if I sin, again I must once more be cleansed (1 John 1:9) *you say* And you too need to be ' born again ' ??? once you repent and believe as JESUS response Thank you for the advice. I have already been baptised. I often repent because I sin more than I would like, but thankfully I have an advocate in Jesus Christ who will cleanse me of unrighteousness when I sin, I also believe in Jesus but not the empty anti-biblical faith alone where all they seem to think we must believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, No, I believe that Jesus was our teacher and as such we must live according to what he taught, God bless you
@Patrick Montgomery Peace of Christ be wiith you *you say* >BUT!!! I did NOT say??? JESUS BE WITH YOU??? BUT??? WHAT??? HAS??? MANES??? got to do with it??? *response* Nothing it was you who brought up that I was not King David, *you say* YES??? GOD!!! YAHWEH!!! loves everyone on earth!!! including YOU!!! *Response* thought so *you say* YES!!! you will sin again
As a Protestant I had a strange experience. One night I was watching the Bible miniseries during the crucifixion scene and I was praying and told God that that should have been me weeping in tears the next thing I remember I was staring at myself lying on my bed and then I floated above my house and flew past all the stars until I saw nothingness a voice cried out to me and said Johnathan. I turned around and I saw the Lord in his full glory and clothed in light magnificent light that can't be described beyond that I fell to my knees because I knew I was in the presence of the Lord and without him saying anything I saw all the good deeds that I had done knowingly and unknowingly. And when I saw these bad deeds and good deeds Weighed before Christ I beg the Lord to take me away from his presence because I was unworthy and naked before God and then he said aloud Johnathan, my son.... And when I looked up I saw Christ within the light reaching his hand out for me and when I touched The holy hand of our Lord I Saw the beginning all the way to the end and felt all the evil deeds that I had done be burned away along with that part of me that committed it and when this happened I woke up gasping for air it felt like an eternity but I had only been gone 15 minutes. I know this really happened to me because I stopped breathing I don't know how or when but I stopped breathing. I understand the East and the West point of view on purgatory but if I experienced anything it was the mercy of God because I did not deserve it as we all don't deserve it. But I saw the Divine judgment and it truly was divine because it was just and loving and merciful but I know that for the wicked it'll be of their own doing because we all experience the same thing. Truly I say that this actually happened because I am no longer Protestant after that experience I now go to an Orthodox Church but I'm also studying Catholicism and have not made my choice yet. Pray for me and pray for the church's unity.
I hope you become Catholic. Catholicism is a very beautiful thing. You will see God's power and mercy working in his church!
I grew up protestant too and just converted to Catholicism in 2020. God bless you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Catholicism is a waste of time. Jesus wants a relationship. Satan wants religion.
you believe in men's lies
Thank you Lizzie for the effort of compilation and sending awareness of Purgatory. May the Lord our GOD protect you from all harm. 🙏 ✝️ 🛐 🕊️
As always, thoroughly investigated and extremely well explained. Very nice work! Thank you Lizzie!
@Patrick Montgomery who said its a place, troll?
What does the Bible say about purgatory?
Question: What does the Bible say about purgatory?
Answer: The simple answer to this question is that the Bible says nothing about purgatory. The doctrine of purgatory is not a Scriptural concept. We do, however, see much discussion in God’s Word about the only two destinations for those who have died: Heaven and Hell.
Jesus spoke significantly of both, and yet there is never a mention of a third place, an interim location where man undergoes further purification. The concept of purgatory implies that Christ’s work on the cross was incomplete and insufficient to save us from judgement for our sins. We know, however, that the full redemptive work of Christ was accomplished on the cross, just as Christ Himself declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30).
For believers, the end of this life will be the beginning of our eternal life with the LORD. We can see this in Jesus’ parable about the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31, whereby Lazarus was taken immediately upon his death to “Abraham’s side,” a common figure-of-speech for Heaven, and the rich man was immediately cast into torment in Hades. Paul assures believers in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 that to be “away from the body” is to be “at home with the Lord.” Those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ may rest assured that their debt has been paid by Christ Himself, and that their death will find them standing before God justified and glorified, and welcomed into His kingdom.
@@JohnDought I do know the Bible in Spanish, but not so much in English. Let's see.
Luke 12, 57-59
For you, How would be the way to pay in that jail?
Christ said you would go to the jail if you have something to fix. Yes, that jail, is purgatory. The same word you can find in Revelations book.
Good luck.
@@tomasirn jail is for punishment to make it equal, God forgives forgiveness is "sentence" but instead of bars you go free.
@@JohnDought if in Luke 12 it says about to go out from jail. You mean someone in hell can go out?????????
From heaven you can't go out, from hell you can't go out.
That place, the jail, we call Purgatory. You can go out, but just to heaven. If you haven't died with the friendship of God, you won't go to Purgatory, it's just for the safe ones.
If you don't get it now, it's just because YOU DON'T WANT IT.
I Love You Lizzie😍😍 from Philippines! God bless you
amazing how well educated you are on the topic!! so many protestants trying to disprove purgatory just say "the word purgatory isnt in the bible" of they pull up an article from a philosopher from a couple years back lol. They keep quoting romans over and over again!
Greetings from Argentina.
yes, that's what protestantism says everywhere.
The word purgatory isn't in Bible, but you have SEOL, JAIL, PURIFICATION FIRE which are all the same meaning.
The word jail as purgatory meaning you can find it in revelations book and in luke 12, 57-59
Lizzie has a degree in Philosophy. Or Biblical studies. When you spend four years studying you tend to know a lot about these things!
Yes, all protestants repeat the same thing it's like they believe the same DOGMA
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this video. Thank you so much for making this. I have a very intimate relationship with purgatory. My house was haunted after my grandma passed because she died not on good terms with me and my mom. She disowned us. Things kept happening in our house and our priest came and did a blessing on our house. He then explained purgatory to us. He was from Kenya so he was used to spiritual warfare stuff, much more than in the west.
After the blessing, my house went back to normal. I’ve prayed for my grandma many times and I believe that she has successfully passed over.
Since then, I’ve been dedicated to spiritual warfare and social justice. My friends always know that I’m the one to call when spooky stuff happens lol. They joke around and call me the exorcist 😂 which i suppose on a technical level I am.
God bless you, Lizzie! 💕
Bert Clayton I’ve had a lot of experiences, yes. A friend of mine has a haunted house and my other friends and I have been trying to figure out a way for us to get an exorcist over there (the family is Protestant). They had a Methodist preacher come and it made it worse.
And yes, I’ve heard of the Warrens! I go back and forth as to believing their credibility, but they’re definitely interesting characters.
Malachi Martin is a good guy to look into if you want to know more about exorcism. I don’t agree with all his social views, but the man knows about the dark side of the spiritual, I can tell you that lol.
Say prayers for me and my friends that we can get an exorcist to my friend’s house. We’ve been trying for years.
God bless ❤️✝️
Patrick Montgomery And I suppose you know more than St. Alphonsus, St Gertrude and every other saint who has had a devotion to helping souls in purgatory?
Patrick Montgomery And, your basis is on nothing. You’re literally just coming on here and be being a hateful person to Lizzie and that’s not okay. You don’t have a right saying if anyone is definitely in hell or not.
That in itself is a sin. The sin of pride is the deadliest.
Patrick Montgomery Honey, please use proper grammar if you’re going to start coming for people. The arrows don’t make you more threatening. There’s no reason for you to be going after Lizzie and Catholics. And if you’re genuinely concerned, you should be looking more inwardly at yourself instead of judging others.
We never know who will go to purgatory. It could be me. Or it could be you.
Patrick Montgomery you literally just told Lizzie that she smelled in another comment. I suppose petty insults are kind now. It’s not like that’s abusive or anything. *sigh*
Thanks Lizzi for this video. Your references are helpful and your enthusiasm is always bang on. May God bless you and your work so that you continue to reach out and inspire many more ❤️
Wow, you knocked me off with a feather, Lizzie. You have learned a lot from being a new convert. I am a Catholic since birth but I have not learned all these. May God Bless You and Grant You Long Life. STAY SAFE!! Pray the Oratio Imperata.
Your a Catholic from birth? I doubt you have ever read the Bible or know what John 3:16 says. Shame!
@@stever4181 What i commented talks about my interest in knowing more. Either you are still young or already old there is no wrong in searching the truth, especially in God's words. Your comment is even more shameful. You bragged to have memorized the Bible but no nothing how a true Christian should behave. I thought you're a Catholic. Shame on you!!!
@@mimieakutagawa5145 You are right and I apologize for sounding bombastic.
I am not a Catholic nor could or would I ever be one. I base this on studying what God's word actually says. I also find that many Catholics do not read their Bibles but instead read the catechism which tells them about the CC not about what God's word says. It is a biased text to support the CC.
{"there is no wrong in searching the truth, especially in God's words"}
I absolutely agree with this! Which is why I study Scriptures and their meaning. However as an example Matthew 16: 18 is the foundation of the Catholic Religion and is wrongly interpreted. The CC has taken this verse out of context and applied it's own meaning to it.
You said you are looking for the truth. May I suggest you start here? You can go online and look up meanings of words through 'Strongs'. In it you will see that Peter means 'stone or pebble' (petros). However Jesus said he will build his church on a 'Rock' (petra) which means a rocky out crop or boulder. The two words are not the same and do not have the same meaning. Jesus also talked about the man who built his house upon the rock (petra) not petros (stone/pebble).
You now need to read verses 13-17. Verse 18 sums up verse 17. The rock or foundation is the revelation Peter received from God that "Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God". That is the foundation or rock and it is this that the gates of hell can not stand against.
Read it over and over, ask questions of the text, learn what our English words really meant in Greek or Hebrew. To close, "church" means "a gathering of believers". Not in Peter but that Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah or Christ. It does not mean the CC. This is the truth and you will not find it in the CC. Pray about it and listen to the Holy Spirits response. He will lead you to all understanding. That in it's self is another thing to ponder.
Lastly, I urge you to not to look at ANY religion for clarification of the Bible. Peter didn't! It was reviled to him by God (verse 16-17) The same is for all of God's people. The Bible (God's word) tells us to seek his face. It does not say seek a religion for understanding. I pray in Jesus Christ name you will see the truth as found in Scriptures.
@@stever4181 There is no way I shall leave my faith. What I am asking is to be more enlightened by what I believe. Why should I leave my church when it needs more of our support and unity in these trying times. I am here in the Philippines and I feel the devil's fever pitch effort of proselytizing more Catholics to leave the church and be converted to man-made churches. The petra and the petros you mentioned are both the same thing which is the rock. You use either words depending on the gender that goes along with the word. Now, if I'm going to ask the fate of the Catholic churches there in the USA, ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE WHO WILL REJOICE FOR WHAT HAD HAPPENED? FROM BURNING THE CHURCH TO VANDALIZING IMAGES, THEN WHAT NEXT, KILLING CATHOLICS? And these aren't happening only in the US but even in some European countries. Now, I may suggest -How about scanning the book of history about the "EARLY CHURCH FATHERS" or the "EARLY CHURCH CHRISTIANS"/ That would, possibly, give you an illumination of your conscience that once a Catholic church was founded by Christ before there was the BIBLE.
@@mimieakutagawa5145 You greatly misunderstand what I wrote. I am not asking you to leave your church. You said you wanted to learn truth. It is very clear by studying Scriptures that the CC is a man made religion and all man made religions are in error at some point.
The CC is also a 'Religion' It is not a faith so you put your trust in a religion not Jesus Christ.
If I wanted to learn about the CC I would look at the early Catholic Church fathers. I am not interested in your religion or any other religion only the word of God.
Petros/ Petra Can you tell me why Jesus would build his church on a human that said many wrong things and denied Jesus 3 times. Or would Jesus build his church on himself, the Son of God and Christ. Which makes more sense and is more in keeping with God's word?
I do not condone any violence to any church and to suggest such a thing you should be ashamed. If we do take a look at your CC history we find the CC did kill and oppress many people and still does.
I have been told many times by so-called god fearing Catholics I am not saved because I do not belong to the CC. That is brain washing by the CC and The Bible says different.
Lastly, your 'Faith' in in a religion not in God or Christ. My faith is in God/Jesus alone apart from any religion. Does this make me better that you? NO! Not at all we are all sinners and in need of a savior, Jesus Christ. Isn't that what Jesus meant in Matthew 16:18 as being the rock or foundation?
This is very timely for my transition into the Church. I've already decided I was going to but this was the thing that I was chewing on a lot the last week or two; Purgatory and Penance.
Purgatory is easly prove in the jesus's words; luke12 : 47-48
@Patrick Montgomery You have to go down in the history of the Church Fathers. You will learn a lot about why Catholics are sharing like these.
@Patrick Montgomery How on earth these Early Fathers were not inspired? Look at their lives and the kind of writings they had. They lived exemplary lives. SO, YOU'D RATHER GO AND BELIEVE YOUR PASTORS? I am a Filipino Catholic, and I see the same people like you here in the Philippines. If you heard Quiboloy- he proclaimed himself as the Appointed son of God. There is the Iglesia ni Cristo- which does not believe in the triune God, and there are lots of churches proclaiming they are christians.
Have you researched about what Jews believe about Hell?
Jews think Hell is like a Purgatory
@@LuisSalazar-vu4jd No, Luis Salazar. Jews doesn't belive hell is like Purgatory.
Is omitted in this video, also the word Hades is a synonim of "Hells". You will find this word in chapters 26, 32 and 33 of Ezekiel book.
Hells, Abisms, Hades are synonims.
This 3 terms are in fact like divided. part is seol, and other part is the condenatory "Hell".
Christ went to the saved part of the Hells, not to the condemned one.
I'm a spanish speaker, sorry if you don't understand 100% my writting, but i think you would do the effort to understand them.
THANKS Lizzie. I have long considered purgatory as "the bathroom of Heaven" EG, if your President or state leader asked you to have a visit with him/her one would get their best set of clothes cleaned and then spend time cleaning their boy before getting dressed for the meeting. EVEN more so when going to meet our God!. Lizzie this need to be put together in a booklet so that us believers can contemplate you really good work!
Thank you very much from Spain Lizzie. You explain yourself very clearly and the message is exceptional
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The bible verse that talks of a disobedient servant being beaten with many stripes comes to mind when thinking of purgatory
@Patrick Montgomery Luke 12:47
@Patrick Montgomery no it's not old testament and if you dont want to believe that's on you
@Patrick Montgomery I'm not arguing over the bible. You already think you know everything anyway so what good would it do. Tituss 3:9 says But avoid foolish questions, and geneolagies, and contentions, and strivings with the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
@Patrick Montgomery who are you to judge a servant of christ.
@Patrick Montgomery I am praying for your eyes to be opened to the truth. You are wrong about catholics. I did nothing foolish I just said what comes to mind when thinking of purgatory. What denomination are you? Btw
You’re such a great teacher Lizzie!! 💕💕💕💕🌷🌷🌼🌼🌻🌻🌹🌹
I think I might try and go thru RCIA these videos makes so much sense and I've learned so much already.
Did u go thru it?
Every Protestant Bible included the deuterocanonical books until the British Bible Society published the first Bibles without them around 1825.
This is one of Lizzie's most beautiful videos because in my opinion she presents the purgatory theology as a joyful gift, rather than a punishment. Thanks Lizzie for your thorough research into this sweet but mostly misunderstood subject.
@Patrick Montgomery if this teaching of the RCC is a lie, anything else taught by the RCC is a lie also which would include the Bible itself
@Patrick Montgomery your response barely makes any sense. What I got is that you are saying the RCC lies. In that case the Bible istself would be a lie because it was put together by the RCC.
@Patrick Montgomery 'Wrong, The books in the Bible and many more had been written and circulated through christianity but there was not final consensus of which ones were inspired by God and which ones weren't. It was the RCC who settled which books should be the the Bible. But as you claim the RCC lies, then that cannon of books is not the inspired ones so why stick only to them as Word of God and look for the ones that did not make it into the Bible as well. The RCC would probably have lied there as well and we should be also referring to the Gospel of Thomas, the Apocalypse of Peter, The Epislte of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas and many more to be also considered the Word of God
This is such a excellent presented and thought out video. You have done your research and presented all your references so well.
As a cradle Catholic, I always accepted the doctrine of purgatory and knew some of the basic arguments but your breath of knowledge is amazing.
Coming from a protestant background like you do must have given you a lot of questions and criticisms of the Catholic viewpoint, which no doubt helped to direct your research. This, I am sure, would be particularly helpful to protestants in helping them understand the Catholic point. It might even help them see that the Churches teaching have more substance and are very different from what the protestant claims them to be.
Have you thought of turning it into a written piece? As a video it is a little long and packed with information, though well presented. It needs a lot of study, and the references would be easier to get If it was in booklet form.
You put forward so many good ideas however I liked your point about discounting the early Christian commenters while totally accepting the ones from the sixteenth century. That could be used in other situations when people prefer a modern commentary to more traditional ones.
Thanks again for your video, I’ll be looking out for more of your presentations.
Thanks Lizzie! I'm enlightened again. I'm a big fan of yours from the Philippines.
Me too from the Philippines!
Matthew 21: 31 "Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE you.
Interesting video!
I love how your makeup, blouse, and bedding is all coordinated lol
@Patrick Montgomery How is she a liar?
Purgatory scares me but after learning that it's better than living on Earth ( I live a pretty happy life) makes me feel more positive about it.
Its more of a process than a space according to the CCC
Sorry to break it to you, but lots of mystics who saw purgatory souls say that the souls say they'd rather live the most horrible, painful life on Earth than spend a minute in purgatory.
Yes, being sure of salvation and having a way better understanding of God they are truly happy.
The sufferings of purgatory, nevertheless, are beyond description in our terms..
The souls say it is true fire - much more painful than the earthly fire as it is spiritual fire burning the soul.
@Patrick Montgomery do you believe that you are a sinner? if so then you must believe purgatory.
@Patrick Montgomery You are right. Purgatory doesn't exist.
@Patrick Montgomery
sorry, I dont understand what you're writing here (I assume you disagree with something). When your hiccup is over try to formulate a proper statement or question that we'll be able to relate to.
Once again thanks for all of your work to prepare this presentation, I too love Oregin who was cast out of Sainthood, I think Pope Benedict tried to reform his position, Oregin was the most prolific writer of early Christians.
Rev.22:14, the washing of robes is a metaphor for purification from uncleanliness. It pronounces a blessing on those cleansed from sin, those who are saved through faith in Christ (Ephesians.1:7).
In John 13:10-14, Jesus washes the disciples feet as an object lesson about spiritual cleansing. The Christian is fully washed in the blood of the Lamb, he/she may sin occasionally and finds cleansing for that sin by confessing it to the Lord. ( 1 John 1:9). He/she doesn’t have to be washed again in the blood of Christ.
Am a Catholic for all of life and i am 32 years now but am not deep as you are now! but i wonder you have only 2 years since yuo become a Catholic. I can't imagine you with 10 years experience ❤❤❤ God bless you so much your are intelligent, and good student, using scientific methods to prove the truth of catholicism.
In addition to prayers for the dead or Pugatory, one day i was with Muslim and we went to open the water well donated by the Muslim but for that time of opening the well the, the donor has died, but during opening prayer, they pray for that dead man so that God to reduce the punishment for him and i wonder that e even Muslims pray for the dead!! I hear it by my ears because i was working with them.
But also the Bible tell us that our God is not God of dead Mark 12:27 There is no death to God we just sleep Luke 8:48-56.
Can you link your sources or can anyone give me sources on purgatory? Because I decided to write my thesis on Purgatory by Dante and how it relates to the Catholic teaching on Purgatory. (Literature student) :)
Cecily Haag DM me on twitter or instagram and I’ll send you my google doc of research 😊
Purgatory explained in the "Catholicism" series: www.wofdigital.org/the-last-things/season:1/videos/catholicism-10-part-3
Also, the 7 deadly sins correspond to the 7 stories of Dante’s Mt. Purgatory: www.wofdigital.org/seven-deadly-sins-seven-lively-virtues
Probably is very late
It's difficult to relate purgatory and Dante. Actually Dante refers not exactly to the purgatory, instead of that, refers to the Hades.
Hades has in one of it's part the purgatory.
Also it's sumerian belive, you can find the Abisms on the sumerian belives, you will find this word Abisms mainly in the firsts books of the Bible.
For the longest time I didn't understand purgatory . I was raised in the protestant church. I was baptized in the Catholic church.1979 My first communion 1980.I was 21 years old when I was baptized. Now I am 66 .I been a member of the Catholic Church for 44 years .Ieft the church 8 or 9 years I did many confessions . Now i'm Been back 9 weeks take holy communion . I go to confession regularly what's a month . And I go to mass regularly .
Lizzie, thank you so much for these videos. You have no idea. I have decided to convert to Catholicism. I would be the only Catholic in my entire family. Your videos are helping me understand the theology while I read my catechism.
Try reading the Bible outside of the catechism. The catechism is about a religion. The Bible is about God/Jesus.
@Logan Ofsanko Sorry to inform you but that is a lie by the Catholic Church. Jesus started 'his' church in Matthew 16: 13-19. It does not read he established the "Catholic Church".
It is 'only' Catholic traditions that says this and it is not part of God's word. You will not find anything in the Bible that teaches Jesus started the Catholic Church. Therefore it is man made and wrong!
@@stever4181 what is the meaning of the word 'catholic'? ;) And if something is not mentioned in the Bible by word, it doesn't mean that it don't exist. Lizzie did a good job at researching Purgatory in the Bible, watch the video ;)
@@matijavrscak6461 'catholic' Lets take a look at words. 'catholic' with a small 'c' means universal. Catholic with a capitol 'C' means Roman Catholic Church. Catholic comes from the Latin translation of the greek word 'katholikos' which means universal. It is talking about the 'church' which means, 'A body of believers, a congregation.' If a person believes in Christ Jesus as Savior and Son of God, they belong to this universal church. It is not a 'religion' as the CC would have you believe. The CC definition is based on their own traditions set up not by God but by man, the magisterium of the CC.
I did watch the video. Lizzi's point of view is totally from the dictation of the CC and not on God's spoken word. It therefore comes from a man made religion.
If something comes from outside the Bible it and is from God, it will conform to what is inside the Bible. If it does not then it is not from God but man.
@@stever4181 good that you have researched it! This is the universal church established by the Lord himself. That means outside of that, ppl are not in full conection with God. It has its order it has its hierarchy. And the Holy Spirit guides it. Not everything is writen in the Bible, thats why tradition is very important to make a whole, to know what the early Christians who were timely close Jesus believed in, not everyone could write and it was very expensive. To actualy know what something means in the Bible you must study it, a lot... thats what the church did in the whole history. And it is amazing that orthodoxy and catholicism today are practicly the same in teachings and the protestants are devided in 40000 branches who even contradict themselfs and bring 40000 different views about God.
My dad was baptist He died 2019 I'm sure my dad's in portuguese he was He practiced what he believed A homeless man ask for money for food my dad went out bought some food for him and gave him a few nights and a motel He did what we do was catholics help Other people . When i'm thinking about it I pray to mary for her to talk to her son jesus christ at my dad who get out of purgatory And go to heaven .
Hello !!! ... Very interesting program. I have been a Catholic for 19 years but during that time I had the opportunity to have a strong approach to many Protestant currents (Presbyterians, Methodists and free). I even had a good friend who was deeply Protestant. This caused us to have many strong discussions about it. One of the topics that we were discussing was purgatory and in fact I could not show a biblical quote that could speak about it.
I had reviewed a few things in the past, but, they seemed to me that they did not give a correct and direct answer ... Anyway, thanks for the guidance, I am going to look for these quotes to review them ... God bless you, see you soon !! !
I have the oportunity to check some the scripture quotations that you tell.
After reviewing these quotes, in my judgment, I consider the interpretation to be very metaphorical. It seems to me that this can be interpreted in many different ways and I really can't see that speaking of purgatory directly.
First you need to look at what Jews think about Hell. For Jews, Hell is like a Purgatory. This is why Christians believe in Purgatory. Look at any Jews web page and you will understand better. When I visit Jews webs helped me to understand Catholic doctrine.
@@alejandrocayama1637 Look what Jews think about Hell. It is like a Purgatory.
I sure wish I would’ve known you when I first converted to Catholicism many many years ago I didn’t have many friends I didn’t really get a clear understanding of everything and now I am Back in the church I am grateful for your videos keep them up stay positive
Welcome back home, Carissa. I'm catholic, from Argentina. Well, if you hadn't got many friends or you are still in that situation, you should talk to the priest, with respet of course, asking to do some comunity activity, for example a comunity dinner sometimes, to make some integration.
You know, Catholic Church differs from the rest because the rest basically doesn't interact with "non-belivers". That's because they have many points on BITE model (google it), in other words, they qualify to be catalogued as a sectarism organization.
Catholic community must have some social activity, but it must not be closed to the rest.
sports, dinners, events like that can be organized for social integration, even with non-catholic people.
Best wishes from Argentina :)
@@tomasirn it is somewhat improving I have met a bunch of people and some stay in contact with me via Internet phone and sometimes we meet at church it’s still kind of quick meeting after church because I am a wheelchair user but it is getting better and I’ve only been going to the church since maybe September but I think I’m starting meet people and we can have conversation theology faith and support each other a little bit one had even said that I can go and meet with their family and spend time I am trying to figure out how that would be but I guess when we meet next in church I might talk about it with them because I think it might be cool maybe I could request a Bible study I do a lot of study online so it’s really helpful today what is a great day at church.Most people are very helpful and kind I think they find it shocking though that nobody takes me to church and I go by myself but a.m. meeting lots of people and I do get to have theological conversation which I like thank you I hope you are well
@@tomasirn Sorry if my explanation was a little long or I repeated some thing twice I may have because I found it to be good and I wanted to emphasize it but when I write I use your voice app so it’s a little bit scattered thanks for reaching out
@@carissahanson9887 I'm catholic, from Argentina. We are more advanced in apologhetics than what you can find in english since it started like 20-30 years earlier in spanish. You know, instead of a regular bible study, try to find someone who speaks spanish and english, and you can look for videos of Padre Luis Toro. He is a mercy missionary, sent by the Pope to all the world. If you don't find anyone who speaks spanish and english as well, you can try enabling the youtube translator, it puts automatically the subtitles. I'm sure you will learn a lot from this priest. You can meet all together to watch his videos. There are about 1000 mercy missioners in all the world, so there aren't many. :)
@@carissahanson9887 You can write a book if you want, no problem for me.
“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18:6
The Jews have purgatory too. I was going through conversion to reform Judaism a few years back and learned about it
First of all thank you for this video, second, your hair looks so nice here!!!
@Alan Cortez I'm unable to read or respond to your last postings. You either deleted the entire thread after posting your last comment (thinking you would get the 'last 'word'- which is ironic because I'm able to read it at all), or it was deleted by the moderator of this page
This was incredibly useful! What do you think about mystical Christians?
Jesuschrist said on the cross ' tetelestai ' is finished ' saying that you have to go to purgatory to purify your sin ' is saying that the sacrifice of christ was not enough to clean our sins and to pay for them
I have a question about purgatory . Is Purgatory Fire and brimstone like hell.
Heres what I gather from reading of the Gospel i may be wrong since i am new with my journey, they were 2 thieves next to Jesus when he was on the cross one who mocked him and the other who had the fear of LORD in him. Well we can see that they stealed so it could represent sinners (we all our sinners) but the thief who feared the LORD would be with paradise with him (and it could represent those who died in believing in Jesus Christ came from God would be with Jesus in paradise) and the other thief who mocked Jesus could represent those who rejected God and we know where they go so from what i had study from this could mean they're only two places we go after we go and keep in mind im new with my journey with God so please correct me if I am wrong. God bless you ❤ 🙏
Here’s one for you, from one Catholic to another: What’s the difference between Purgatory and Limbo?
Light Bringer Limbo is not catholic doctrine. It was believed in the Middle Ages to be a place where unbaptized babies went if they died, because of original sin as opposed to hell.
It’s not heavily believed in today.
@@thehippiecatholic Very good! I remember it having to do with unbaptized babies! Thanks for responding!
Light Bringer of course ❤️❤️❤️ I’m progressive and I’m open minded, but I know my Catholic stuff lol. You can pull off both 🍃
God bless!
@@thehippiecatholic Hebrews 9:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
2 Corinthians 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
viding7607 Mt 12:31 And so I tell you that people can be forgiven any sin and any evil things they says, * but whoever says evil things against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 12:35 36 " You can be sure that on judgement Day everyone will have to give account of every useless word he has ever spoken. 37 Your words will be used to judge you-to declare you either innocent or guilty
I might add that blasphemy agaisnt the Holy Spirit is final inpenitence
Against *
@@Onniesprairiegarden *Impenitence :D
@@myrddingwynedd2751 thanks, caught that later😆
@@Onniesprairiegarden it is a Catholic theology.....not Jesus. It is not Biblical. RCC have a lot of claims and ASSUMPTIONS that Jesus never said ......Lizzie is WRONG
@@TriciaRP And where do you find that mistake?
You are decieved my sister.. firstly in believing in purgatory and then in saying its beautiful experience
Hello Lizzie and thank you for your explanation! I have read that the Jewish Bible did not contain the Maccabees so I was wondering where you have read that Jesus Christ might have known and used those books as part of his canon. Thank you!
You do realize that Septuagint did have books of the deuterocanonical Cannon & Jesus speaks from the deuterocanonical as well. U can research this info urself.
God bless
I love your videos✝️
Heaven (God's domain): Nothing from earth can enter, because no sin can be there.
Paradise: This is where righteous souls / believers live, waiting for the resurrection.
Hell: The domain where evil souls, demons and fallen angels are kept, waiting for the day of judgment.
Lightoftheworld Thank you. This cleared up much for me.
When you started out with Enoch, I knew what this video was gonna be about. There is a reason why we consider cannon what we consider cannon. Non-cannon books like that directly contradict with cannon books that say things like “it is appointed once for a man to die, then after that the judgement. (Heb 9:27). We are judged by what we do in this life. We don’t get a second chance after life to try to get it right. Hitler is in hell and anyone who repented and had faith in Jesus is in heaven. That’s it.
mathew 5 25 “When you are on the way to court with your adversary, settle your differences quickly. Otherwise, your accuser may hand you over to the judge, who will hand you over to an officer, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 And if that happens, you surely won’t be free again until you have paid the last penny.[i] is this text talking about spiritual or world adversaries ' because if its talking about spirituality ' our adversarie is satan ' and we cannot settle aour diffre ces with the devil ' but we can with a person ' because our war is not against flesh but spirits demons ' governors of darkness
Could you explain more about what the verse means about speaking against the Holy Spirit?
I was raised Protestant, and now go to an Episcopal church, but I was always taught that verse meant that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin when we are in Heaven. That is why Satan and the demons will not be forgiven for their rebellion, and If anyone in Heaven blasphemes the Holy Spirit, they will not be forgiven either. I don't see how that verse backs up Purgatory in any way.
@@Silversparkles Ah yes, the Church of England. Very good!
if we need purgatory ' then why did christ die'? was his sacrifice not enough ?
SAo what the CC is saying is Jesus isn't enough you need the CC to be saved.
That, is a different Christ to what Scriptures say and therefore from the Devil!
@@stever4181 Exactly......they have a DAMNABLE ACCURSED DOCTRINE
Lies .......TO make you think you can escape hell..
Liars Especially CATHOLIC TRUTH....
This guy is so IGNORANT and run his mouth like he know exactly what he talking about .... IDIOT
So, if the fire and the punishment in the purgatory is something necesary and good, and if people are joyful there, why to pay indulgences? Why to pray for their punishment to finish or to be avoid?
Its not that they are happy but rather joyful, they know they are getting a deserved punishment and they know they are going to Heaven, it's not that there is no pain its that, the pain is overshadowed by what is to come
Hi Lizzie, thank you. Your answer to the topic justifies my argument to a relative protestant pastor who claims that there is no purgatory in the bible. Is it true? Even if true, your reading the passages tells otherwise.
@Jesus Is My Lord And Savior, I rather go to purgatory then hell .
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53 verse 5
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning.
I am cfd from Philippines and this is my topic for the youth in our parish thank u
It is fair to point out that the Thessalonians were at a disadvantage compared to Christians today. They did not have all the written books of New Testament Scripture. Paul wrote both of his epistles to Thessalonica very early in the New Testament era-about A.D. 51. The two letters were probably written only a few months apart and are among the very earliest of all the New Testament writings.
The Thessalonians’ primary source of authoritative gospel truth was Paul’s teaching. As an apostle, Paul taught with absolute authority. When he taught them, his message was the Word of God, and he commended them for recognizing that: “For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe” (1 Thessalonians 2:13). Elsewhere he said that the commandments he gave them were “by the authority of the Lord Jesus” (1 Thessalonians 4:2).
The substance of what he taught them represented the same body of truth that is available to us in the New Testament. How do we know? Paul himself said so. Even as he was recording his inspired epistle to them, he reminded them, “Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?” (2 Thessalonians 2:5). The written Word simply confirmed and recorded for all time the authoritative truth he had already taught them in person. These epistles were a written reminder of what they had already heard from Paul’s own mouth (1 Thessalonians 4:2).
Second Thessalonians 2:15 confirms this: “Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” There he declares, first of all, that his epistles to them are authoritative, inspired truth. This verse is a clear statement that Paul himself regarded these epistles as inspired Scripture.
But notice also that this verse joins the apostolic “traditions” with the written Word of God. The “traditions” necessary for Christians to be discerning are recorded for all ages in the text of Scripture. Those who claim that apostolic tradition is other truth in addition to Scripture often attempt to use this verse for support. Note, however, that Paul is not saying that “the traditions [they] were taught” are different from the written Scriptures. Rather, he links the two, affirming that the written Word of God is the only
permanent and authoritative record of the apostolic tradition. He is specifically suggesting that the Thessalonians should not trust “word of mouth” or letters pretending to be from apostolic sources. Only what they had heard firsthand from Paul’s own lips or read in authentic letters from him were they to treat as authoritative, divine truth. That is why Paul usually signed his epistles “with [his] own hand” (1 Corinthians 16:21; Galatians 6:11; Colossians 4:18; 2 Thessalonians 3:17; Philemon 19).
With this in mind, 2 Thessalonians 2:15 cannot be used to support the claim that extrabiblical, spiritually binding “apostolic tradition” is passed down verbally through popes and bishops. Paul’s whole point was that the Thessalonians should treat as authoritative only what they had heard from his own mouth or received from his own pen. That body of truth-the Word of God-was to be the measuring stick they used to examine all things. Two other verses confirm this. In 2 Thessalonians 3:6 Paul writes, “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.” And in verse 14 he adds, “If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame.”
Therefore, Paul is affirming that the Bible is the only reliable criterion by which believers in this age can evaluate messages claiming to be truth from God.
Christiana, your conclusion is incorrect....The crust of the matter is ...Is the traditions today what Paul and the early fathers handed over or not?....If yes, we accept it and hand them over to the next generation; if not, we ignore.....That's all.
Two of the earliest church fathers never wrote about purgatory, like Polycarp, a student of the Apostle John or Justin Martyr.
Around 12 minutes in, I have a question. How can God punishes us in purgatory according to our sins if He promises that He forgets our sins if we ask for forgiveness?
“I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more” (Jeremiah 31:34)
“As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us” (Psalm 103:12)
"You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea" (Micah 7:19).
Also the idea of needing to be "purified" by fire of our sins before entering heaven doesn't make sense as an argument for purgatory, according to these bible verses.
"But if we live in the light in the same way as he is in the light, we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin" (1 John 1:7)
"In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:52). This verse in particular says we are prepared for heaven in an instant, being given new immortal bodies that are ready for heaven.
Hades/Sheol is simply the place of the dead. I was a bit lost at how it relates to purgatory.
"In this age, or in the age to come", simply in the time of the writing and in the future, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not forgiven. The passage you read somehow interpreted "the age to come" as purgatory? I know you go by early Christian interpretations and not your own, but those are also interpretations by individuals, and I can't help but say this one in particular is clutching at straws.
Lizzie, what a great job! If you ever re-do the video include Jesuses parable Luke 12:42-47 as a direct proof of Purgatory. Keep up the good work. God bless, David
We need such an explanation so much.
I have the oportunity to check some the scripture quotations that you tell.
After reviewing these quotes, in my judgment, I consider the interpretation to be very metaphorical. It seems to me that this can be interpreted in many different ways and I really can't see that speaking of purgatory directly.
How about luke 12 47 -48
@@sucreygalgo8071 Thanks!!!! ... I'm gonna check it out.
Many saints say purgatory is horrible.. it's a good place certainly.. better than eternal hellfire but it's not pleasant do not deceive people.
Lizzie: punishment is a positive thing.
Me: ????????
There is nothing positive about punishment in of itself. It's a means to an end. If there is another means to the end, do that instead.
Punishment is a positive thing
Sweet Lizzie
Gehenna from my understanding is talking about a trash heap in the valley of Jerusalem ( the valley of hinnom)
Excellent research Lizzie
"For you, God, tested us; you refined us like silver" -Psalm 66:10
Not sure, but i think a priest mentioned that the puriefier of silver knows that the silver is purified when he can see his reflection on it...in the same way, God knows that we are puriefied in purgatory when he can see the image of his beloved son(Jesus) in us in purgatory...if that is the case then we should not wait till we get to purgatory...we should start imitating Jesus now while we are still alive...
Purification of any metal after the dross is removed is very shiny. This is the work Jesus did on the cross. There is no need for purgatory because of Jesus. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6) Notice Jesus did not mention purgatory because it does not exist!
@@stever4181What about Peter he quoted Joel spoke about " This is what I will do in the last days, God says. I will pour out my Spirit on everyone, your sons and daughters will proclaim my message your young men will see visions and your old men will have dreams, Yes, even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days and they will proclaim my message. 2:16-18 What about James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning. 22 Do not deceive yourselves by just listening to his word, instead, but does not put it into practice 23 Whoever listens to the word but does not put it into practice is like a man who looks in a mirror and sees himself as he is. 24-25 But those who look closely into the perfect law that set people free, who keep on paying attention to it and do not simply listen and forget it, but put it into practice they will all blessed by God in what they do.
I love your explanation. One point that is commonly debated as false by Protestants is the existence of Purgatory. To me there is no reason to doubt because I believe not only in the doctrine but of what our Holy Mother has told her beloved saints and seers about it, and also people who has died and witnessed it. It only makes sense because otherwise, even someone is saved (from hell) we are impure and the impure CANNOT enter heaven, but does not go to hell because they repented and confessed to God so he forgive them, so where to they go? To Purgatory to finish their purification most definitely.
LIES.......
@@TriciaRP What do you mean lies? There is no lie on the truth and there is only one truth, no more.
@@TriciaRPEvery good gift comes from God James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present comes from heaven, it comes down from God, the Creator of the heavenly lights, who does not change or cause darkness by turning.
Thanks... I have learned something concrete
Luke 12:42-48 please try to read these verses... I found out that the (1) faithful servant receives a reward and that is heaven.. the (2) unfaithful or unbeliever servant receives a condemnation into eternal punishment and that is hell.. the (3) unprepared servant will be beaten with many stripes.. while (4) ignorant servant did things worthy of stripes, will be beaten with few stripes... The question is, in what place that the (3rd) and (4th) servants they would go? Perhaps, they can not enter heaven at once for they are not fit enough and also, they would not be in hell because there's no hope there..... Luke 12:59 "I tell you, you will by no means get out of there, until you have paid the very last penny."
hi Lizzie, could you see if 1 John is a letter written to Mother Mary
Too easy to refute.
Jesus Christ during His time and ministry on earth never sinned. He was perfect; without flaw or blemish.
From birth and up until His crucifixion, Jesus Christ never once trespassed against God in any way; neither small nor large.
And, the reason why He lived a perfectly sinless life is because had he sinned even once, just one sin, whether it be a moment of gossip, got even mildly drunk or even told a white lie, He would have had failed in His task to be the perfect redeemer. Any one sin regardless of how small or seemingly insignificant would have negated Him as the perfect Lamb of God and His sacrifice would have had no effect whatsoever.
To take on the sin of the world, Jesus Christ had to first be without sin entirely. It is a task that only He could do and no one else.
For redemption, God requires perfection; like Him, without flaw or sin, and Christ was the only one who could and would be able to fit that criteria.
Christ adhered to the standard set forth by God that only sinlessness would suffice in the eyes of God; perfection without blemish, as all else would be doomed to destruction.
And this corroborates with the Revelation of God perfectly that sin, of any kind condemns entirely.
Romans 18:23
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
There is no such thing as purgatory because, if purgatory was real then Jesus Christ COULD have sinned. Christ could have committed the Catholic fabrication 'Venial sins' (Lesser sins). But, He did not. He committed no sin. Christ spoke plenty about hell but never once spoke, alluded to or hinted towards the existence of 'Purgatory'. Christ never spoke of such a place because it would have formed an exemption and, a contradiction to the requirement for a perfect sacrifice. If Christ could have sinned then that would have been made apparent in scripture, but scripture is extremely clear that not only was Christ sinless but that was the absolute requirement for the atonement.
2 Cor 5:21
21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
This means that sinners are righteous before God because Jesus' righteousness is imputed to them.
However, Catholicism explicitly rejects this teaching. Catholics have fabricated a teaching that righteousness is infused into a person at baptism and that is what makes man good and, is the beginning of them becoming a Christian.
If purgatory exists then it is the logical conclusion that man CAN sin, they can just not commit greater sins; as long as they commit nothing more than lesser sins they will not go to hell. But, this flies in the face of revelation:
Romans 6:23
23 For the wage of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The doctrine of purgatory also implies that Catholics are destined to heaven initially but their choice to sin dooms them, instead of what is revealed in scripture which is that man is destined to destruction but by choosing fellowship with Christ then instead are made righteous and can come to be before God. In addition, the doctrine of Sola Fide stands confirmed and assured by God that faith in Christ saves, and saves absolutely, eternally and entirely from all sin:
Acts 13:39
39 Through him everyone who [believes is set free from every sin, a justification] you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Because faith in Christ saves, and not temporarily or in part regarding sins but entirely, that is, ALL sins are remitted and forgiven implies that there can be no purgatory because salvation in Christ assures that the soul who is saved will go straight into the presence of God.
If purgatory exists then God created it for the purpose of ensuring more people would go to heaven than less, but the case is that this is false because God has established that sin itself leads to destruction without variance and that only perfection without sin can have eternal life. Humans cannot be perfect nor can they be without sin, and God punishes all sin as all sin leads to destruction without exemption.
However, Catholics counter this by pointing out that God punishes people differently for different sins, which is true, but punishment after death is the same regardless, and all sin leads to destruction ultimately without exception (Romans 6:23).
So, in conclusion, purgatory does not exist because:
1. It is not revealed in scripture whatsoever, and Christ has had ample time to discuss and explain it, but He did not.
2. The doctrine of purgatory contradicts the requirement of perfection set forth by God Himself which would give concession to sin; wrong doing, which is rebellion against God. All sin is rebellion against God.
3. Purgatory cannot exist because God would not create a safety net for the sinner, because that would have set fourth the assumption in the minds of man that if God punishes lesser sins then some sins are permissible; people would use this as an excuse to justify their wrong doing. This does not imply that God would allow lesser sins but that He would treat sin differently after death and, His revelation that all sin leads to destruction would be a false revelation.
It is exactly because mankind cannot be without sin and are destined to destruction that we need Christ; we need a perfect sacrifice to take away all of sin so that upon forming a fellowship with Him, He can make us righteous and can mediate between God and us, and through Him and only His sinless perfection can be we saved, because nothing we do can save ourselves or each other. This leads me to the doctrine of Indulgences.
Indulgences is also a fabrication of the Catholic church and corroborates with purgatory.
Indulgences is the unbiblical Catholic doctrine that believers can pay to reduce punishment in purgatory.
Indulgences is still a common practice of Catholics today.
Plenary Indulgences: For those on the point of death without access to Anointing or the Viaticum (Last Rites), they can receive a plenary indulgence if they want forgiveness, detest sin and 'have recited at least a few prayers during their lifetime.' If possible, it is recommended that the person see or touch a crucifix or cross.
It is worth noting that the documents of Vatican II have more sections on Indulgences than they have on Justification.
In fact, the modern popes still give out Plenary Indulgences; a full remission of all the temporal punishments of sins upon your soul for committing certain acts.
Indulgences are not only a clear fabrication but are exactly unbiblical and contrary to revelation:
Psalm 49:7-8
7 No man can possibly redeem his brother or pay his ransom to God.
8 For the redemption of his soul is costly, and never can payment suffice
In addition to this Psalm, that it is impossible to pay a ransom for the soul of another also implies that it is impossible to pay the ransom on the soul of oneself. For if no one can redeem you, then you certainly cannot redeem yourself.
If purgatory existed, which by the revelation of God not only does not but cannot then Indulgences would have no effect upon it.
Purgatory is a man-made doctrine that does not corroborate with or, is taught about in scripture, and if it did it would have been made as apparent as hell, heaven and salvation.
This is the perfect proof that negates the Catholic fabrication of 'Purgatory', as well as the fabrication that is 'Indulgences'.
If there is one thing that can be taken away from the differences between Christians and Catholics regarding the Catholic doctrine of purgatory is that Christians have a greater respect for scripture and the Gospel and the atonement of Christ than Catholics, but also reject and rebuke Catholic doctrine which negates and degrades the perfection and work of Christ and the clear revelation of God.
Catholics are misled to their inevitable destruction by lies and fabricated doctrines not revealed in scripture but rather have been explicitly warned against.
Purgatory does not exist, because by the nature, content and context of Revelation, it CANNOT exist.
And Indulgences exist as a money-making scheme to fool the gullible Catholic into paying money to get their deceased loved ones out of a place that is Biblically confirmed impossible to exist.
Too. Easy.
Absolutely wonderful! Thank you!
@Mrkev1664 You stated "Yes God forgiveness still came through Christ action on the cross"
If Christ forgave us, well then, by how much? Did he forgive some of our sins? Or all our sins?
If it's all then there is no need for purgatory.
Christ be with you
Even though we are cleared of the sin itself by Gods forgiveness our sin has caused blasphemy against God which must be paid for so the need for purgatory remains/
And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
God bless you
I believe that purgatory is biblical
I Believe that even the souls that are in hell at some moment will be purified by the fire of god love.
Is that an opinion of yours that can be supported by God's word?
So you believe in universalism?
This is a great one, Lizzie!
Well I’m the Book of Hebrews 1:3 translated into Latin says “Et sit splendor Domini Dei gloriam (A), et figura substantiæ ejus, (B) omnia continentem (C) potentia eius est. Post se, purgationem peccatorum faciens”
Good day.
a) I believe that 1Peter 3:19 is not referring to hell (eternal fire) where disobedient spirits were being imprisoned.
b) (Hebrews 9:27-28) I don't believe that ONLY the living are waiting for the second coming of Christ to receive the promise of salvation but also the imprisoned spirits. Being disobedient is different from being unbeliever. Even Christians nowadays (including non-catholics) rampantly disobey God.
c) I believe that the true "hell" (eternal fire) is final and it will happen on the judgement day. I don't believe that Jesus will go there to preach or proclaim after casting the wicked on fire. The normal process is: Preach/proclaim first before judging/condemning.
d) No need to scrutenize the term "purgatory", after all its the Bible's thought that counts.
concerning your point d), the Holy Trinity is a term that doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible. But is it not worth scrutinizing? People develop new words for things that were only alluded to or described in the Bible, that doesn't make these things unreal.
In purgatory you are closer to God, the closer the happier
Really helpful. Especially in November
Peace be with you. In the Bible Jesus talks about purgatory. Jesus gives a parable about this topic in Luke 16:19-31, Abraham’s bosom (purgatory) is a resting place. See clarification of bosom in John 13:23 - John rested on Jesus’ bosom. Also Peter says Jesus died and preached to the spirits in prison/purgatory 1Peter 3:17-22, which Jesus takes people from purgatory into heaven, Why would Jesus preach to the eternal damned? These are pointed out from Dr Brant Pitre (Catholic Apologist) and Dr Scott Hahn (Catholic Convert/Apologist).
However we are to aim for heaven, avoid hell and purgatory is not forever/temporary, Rev 20:11-15. Which is why Jesus/Bible does not talk too much about purgatory.
Some Protestant brothers and sisters believe that only thru Jesus dying on the cross heaven is achieved, in a chronological time point of view. Which is another reason why purgatory exists, the righteous dead, not perfect, were waiting for Jesus to die on the cross, go into purgatory and take them to heaven - Luke 23:43 & 1Peter 3:17-22. However, Enoch (Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) were taken in to heaven, body and soul, which is an exception from the rule (which can be explained by the Trinity, Jesus/God the Father/Holy Spirit took Enoch and Elijah into heaven, as God spans time and space) - and are cases of why we believe in Mary’s body and soul Assumption. I mean we are Catholics, we would have venerated Mary’s body/relics if it were still on Earth! And built a church for it!
To other points Protestants are complaining to you about on the comments on this UA-cam video:
Protestants point out of how bad the Catholic Church is and it does have bad people in it. But don’t be discouraged. Why even Jesus had Judas Iscariot in his apostles. You must remember Jesus came for the sinner, Luke 5:32.
Biblical passages on Priesthood is given by Dr Brant Pitre. From a Jewish point of view. Moses and the 70/72 Elders/Helpers/Priests Numbers 11:16-25 and Jesus and the 70/72 Luke 10:1-3. Not just the 12 apostles.
Eucharist, Jesus in the Real Presence, John 6:35-69.
Dr Scott Hahn has heaps of bible verses on Mary the Mother of God (Luke). The Perpetual Virginity (Arc of Covenant), Immaculate Conception - Conceived without Original Sin, remember Adam, Eve and Jesus are also part of this club. Assumption Body and Soul into Heaven (Enoch & Elijah), Queen of Heaven and Earth (Revelation, Intersession of Mary to Jesus (Bathsheba to King Solomon), etc.
One truth, one church, John 14:6.
Mathew 16:18, if Protestants think that the Catholic Church is the “Whore of Babylon” then Jesus is a liar. Jesus said even the “gates of hell will not over come it” that is no one no matter how bad will destroy Jesus’ church the Catholic Church.
Lizzie I enjoy your work and reminds me of my conversion. I am a cradle Catholic that became a Protestant and converted back to a Catholic some 20 yrs ago.
Sir none of the scriptures you listed prove that purgatory exists. The scriptures you chose have nothing to do with purgatory all were taken out of context. I say this to you out of concern for your soul. This has nothing to do with you being Catholic. You are truly lost and focused on false doctrine. Your site the opinions of apologetics that based there theological facts on ideas that di not line up with scripture. 2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works. Back up to veres 15 And from a child thou hast know the Holy scriptures which are able to make the wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. You do not need the wisdom of men nor do you need the false doctrine of purgatory to save you. Read Romans 10:10 YOU MUST BELIEVE WITH YOUR HEART AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH UNTO SALVATION. Read Acts 1:8 you need the Holy Ghost read 2nd Corinthians 5:17 YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN YOU MUST BECOME A NEW CREATURE. Read John 3:5 you must be born again. READ ROMANS 12:2 YOUR MIND MUST BE RENEWED BY THE WORD OF GOD NOT BY THE OPINIONS OF MEN. READ ROMANS 10:17 FAITH COMES ONE WAY THROUGH HEARING THE WORD OF GOD. ACTS 2:38 THEN PETER SAID UNTO THEM REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. STOP BEING CONCERED WITH FALSE DOCTRINE AND GET YOUR MIND AND HEART ON JESUS. ACTS 4:12 says there is no other name under heaven whereby men must be saved. Read John 14:6 Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by him. You don't need anything or anyone but Jesus. The spirits in prison are those who died before the resurrection and did not hear the gospel of Jesus Christ they are not in purgatory there are several schools of thought to who he preached to but it definitely does not fit in with the false doctrine of purgatory. The Bible is the only true source of God's word. John 17:17 says his word is truth. I hope this helps you understand to put your trust im Jesus and not man.
Amazing video !
I love your analysts well done
i really am afraid of this. its changing my life…. :( i come from a very christian background (and i love it) ive been in RCIA for a month, im very scared of this….. 😢 i hope that lady you mentioned in the beginning is right……. sheesh
Don't be afraid. It isn't true! Jesus died on the cross for your sins if you have accepted him as your Lord and savior. This means that you give your very life to Jesus all the days of your life. You do not give your life to a religion as the Catholics do. Faith is in Jesus alone! It is never in a religion.
@@stever4181 your religion uses modern day music which is all demonic inspired from rock n roll to rnb........protestantism is all about feeling good and not doing God's will just like the founder of you religion(Martin Luther, Joseph Smith, Calvin etc) 500 years ago
Why does the Orthodox Church (of which Rome was a part for over 1,000 years) not believe in Purgatory?
They do, but they call it Toll houses.
@@cruznature7545 I've since asked two Orthodox priests and they deny this. Toll houses are allegorical. Yes, they continue the practice of praying for the dead, but there is no assurance about what happens after death beyond our own particular judgement. It remains a mystery according to their Orthodox Church's official teachings. Therefore, toll houses are not a dogma whereas if you don't believe in Purgatory - you are consigned to hell.
You are a blessings to our Holy Catholic Church. God Bless you dear🙏🙏🙏
But its still a lie against the Bible!
Thanks for sourcing Jewish writings on the subject. From a Jew.
There are so many things wrong with this video: it seems to be suggesting that every living soul will eventually be purified in purgatory by fire and be saved into the kingdom (even the most wicked). While this may be a comforting thought for some people, it does not line up with the Bible.
I use KJV for literal translations. Read;
Isaiah 66:24 ( this fire will utterly destroy the wicked. Repent in this life!) please
John 3:15,16 and Luke 13:5. (perish means the soul for eternity)
Revelation 3:5 (Being blotted out of the book of life suggests a final forever death for the person)
Malachi 4:1-3 (this death is final)
Revelation 22:11 (at some point probation is over and all will have made their choices. This is done in this life here not after the 1st death. )
Revelation 21:8 (mentions a second death, this is not a second chance at everlasting life but a final destruction of all the wicked and death itself.)
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (speaks for itself: the dead are not awake, no need to pray for them, but for the living!) please
Hi Miss Lizzie❤. I fully watch all your videos ang thanking you for inspiring so many! God bless! 😊
St. Gregory The Great is my Confirmation Saint.
There is purgatory because person young and old have come into our dreams asking for prayer
Demons
Life on this planet is purgatory.... Only one chance, Lizzie...
Makey uppy your own theology.
How are people excited about purgatory. I'm terrified
I think "under the earth" could also be people living inside the earth. Hollow earth theroy.
I like your Spirit of sharing messages.. and I pray that Holy Spirit will guide you in Spirit and in truth.. and for a better biblical hermeneutics.. more power..
I believe that purgatory is the fire within God that purifies both righteousness and unrighteousness. It's not a place.. hey!! I'm a catholic, I'm not against the idea of purgatory...
Yeah I believe it’s a state we are in not a place it could be as quick as a blink in the eye
@@georgeibrahim7945 you all are TOLD LIES.....There is no purgatory....It is said to make you think you aren't finished yet and have a chance AFTER YOU DIE TO LIVE holy.
Nope....once you die
IT IS appointed once to die and THEN JUDGMENT...... RCC lying on God and JESUS.
Lies TOLD to you
LIES THEY HAVE TOLD you
LIES THEY HAVE TOLD YOU
reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory
In Luke 16:19-31 the place for the unrighteous dead is Hades also known as Sheol. Here they await judgement according to the Old Testament Jews. The place of the righteous dead is Paradise Luke 23:43.
The belief in Universalism, that all will eventually be saved is not in the Bible, otherwise it makes a mockery of the Crucifixion and faith in Christ. Just live your life as you want then get a second chance in Purgatory is not a biblical concept. Chapter 25 of Matthew, the judgement of the nations, the sheep and goats are separated. The parable of the ten virgins and the parable of the talents teach us to be watchful and to actively be good.
Can you talk about candles
It's sad seeing many protestants condemning us catholics. They say that it is unbiblical or it's only the churcj's interpretation, yet they do the same. A question to all protestants, how can it be that what your interpretation is true and not ours? How can the sacred scripture be compiled without the authority of those here on earth? Hating people is not what Jesus taught. Let your love for them and Jesus lead them to Him and not such words that condemn others. LOVE is the way to GOD, not HATE.
#LEADOTHERSWITHLOVE
Christians do not hate Catholic People! They hate the lies the RCC uses to enslave those people.
You said, "LOVE is the way to GOD," Not true at all. Is this the teaching of the RCC? Try reading the Bible. Jesus is the only way to God! "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". (John 14:6) Notice there is no mention of Mary in what Jesus said!
@@stever4181 I said let our love and Jesus lead them to God. It is what Jesus wants us to do. He never said to start condemning people like there is no chance for them. I understand where you are coming from and I know you just want the best for us, and I thank you for that in behalf of our entire community. Have a blessed day and may God's eternal love and forgiveness shine upon all of us!
@@josephmae1519 Again I have to correct you. Our love may motivate us to speak of Jesus. However, our love will not lead them to Jesus. That is up to the Holy Spirit that works in a person's life and then only if that person subjects himself to Jesus through repentance of sin.
What Jesus wanted us to do was to believe that he is the Son of God and the messiah, the savior. That is clear throughout the NT.
No church can save us and in fact there are a plethora of churches that do just the opposite. Sad to say but the Catholic church is one of them. Bells and whistles should go off when any church declares itself to be the one true church or that salvation is only through that church.
Thank you for your blessing and may I also say may Christ rich blessing be with you today.
@@stever4181 I appreciate your love and for us. Thank you for those kind words. May God bless you also! ❤️
The premise of Purgatory is "To purify from any imperfection by fire" Just as Lizzie stated in her video @2:22.
However, the Bible states in (1 John 1:7) it is Jesus's blood that performs this work.
Therefore, purgatory becomes null.
You can't have it both ways, otherwise, you put the bible in a state of contradiction.
Johnny Boy
1 JN 1:7 says Christ’s blood cleanses not purifies.
Purgatory is the work of Christ on the cross. There is no other way to obtain forgiveness and mercy from God, or purification of sin. St. Paul says there is no foundation for salvation apart from Christ in 1 Cor. 3:11; then only a few verses later he states that those who build imperfectly on that foundation will still be saved, but only as through fire, suffering loss (1 Cor. 3:13-15). Paul does not separate the purifying fire from the foundation that is Christ, so why should we? Purgatory is an EXTENSION of Christ's saving work, not something separate from it... at least, according to St. Paul's inspired writing.
@@Fisher97 It's similar, to purify is to cleanse and to cleanse is to purify.
Purify *verb. synonym: purge, clean, refine, cleanse, filter, etc..
@@robertsutton8255 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 does NOT prove purgatory, it refers to a believer's works which will be tested by fire to determine if they will receive a reward for that work.
Also note that 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 makes no mention of sins, but rather works.
Johnny Boy
You can’t take a modern English dictionary and call them synonyms. How would a 1st century Jew differentiate themselves? Someone who knows the Law.
Hebrews 10:14 "For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy"
If we're saved we have been made perfect, therefore no need for purgatory to do any further work since Christ did all the work for us completely.
Why have Purgatory if the saved are cleanse wholly from all unrighteousness? Why have Purgatory if Jesus's blood purifies us completely (1 John 1:7)?
Christ be with you
Heb 10:14 is telling us that we are cleansed of the sin forever.
it does not refer to the blasphemy our sin has caused against God. (2 Sam 12:13-14)
and it is not telling us we cannot sin again
God bless you
What are we to do with the second half of that verse: "for those who are being made holy"?
Would they not already be holy by your reading?
@Thomase Synek This Patrick seems off his rocker. Not sure he's capable of understanding what you wrote.
@Patrick Montgomery
Christ be with you
*you say*
BUT!!! YOU ARE NOT KING DAVID!!!
*response*
No, I am not King David, did the different manes give it away,
It may surprise you that while I am not King David, God still loves me.
My sin still cause harm as King David did,
*you say*
and the only one who mentioned sinning
again!!! IS YOU???
*response*
yes, I was responding to how "forever made perfect" often gets mistaken for not being able to sin again by protestants,
I recognise if I sin, again I must once more be cleansed (1 John 1:9)
*you say*
And you too need to be ' born again ' ??? once you repent and believe as JESUS
response
Thank you for the advice.
I have already been baptised.
I often repent because I sin more than I would like, but thankfully I have an advocate in Jesus Christ who will cleanse me of unrighteousness when I sin,
I also believe in Jesus but not the empty anti-biblical faith alone where all they seem to think we must believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins,
No, I believe that Jesus was our teacher and as such we must live according to what he taught,
God bless you
@Patrick Montgomery
Peace of Christ be wiith you
*you say*
>BUT!!! I did NOT say??? JESUS BE WITH YOU??? BUT??? WHAT???
HAS??? MANES??? got to do with it???
*response*
Nothing it was you who brought up that I was not King David,
*you say*
YES??? GOD!!! YAHWEH!!! loves everyone on earth!!!
including YOU!!!
*Response*
thought so
*you say*
YES!!! you will sin again