Ollie 1v1 vs EVERY Brawler | Strong! (Not Broken)

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  • @Sleepy_astro123
    @Sleepy_astro123 Місяць тому +448

    I love how a small child on a hoverboard is as tanky as frank the tank

    • @Ballistic477
      @Ballistic477 Місяць тому +39

      And tougher than a 250 pounds muscular guy with a shotgun

    • @reheheheh-sf7cr
      @reheheheh-sf7cr Місяць тому

      He go them bbc genetics

    • @BlockMainaic
      @BlockMainaic Місяць тому

      @@Ballistic477 Yeah? why wouldn't he be? like thats common sense that a child would beat a guy with a shotgun

    • @EMFIFA24
      @EMFIFA24 Місяць тому +8

      A girl with a baseball bat has more hp then a robot
      And a bull

    • @dawthlei8587
      @dawthlei8587 Місяць тому +2

      And a metallic boy with metal and an inflatable T. rex

  • @Tlod3074
    @Tlod3074 Місяць тому +160

    7:13 "while its not an impressive victory, chuck does walk away the winner"
    yeah right buddy

    • @hehehehaw8346
      @hehehehaw8346 Місяць тому +8

      Oh no😭

    • @Kvfuffer
      @Kvfuffer Місяць тому

      All aboard! The pain train!

    • @ihell_bruh
      @ihell_bruh Місяць тому

      Yes

    • @ihell_bruh
      @ihell_bruh Місяць тому

      Chester voiceline​@Kvfuffer

    • @Jay12Ducketzz
      @Jay12Ducketzz Місяць тому

      @Tlod3074 he can't walk at all. He's a man with broken legs LOL

  • @duqqz
    @duqqz Місяць тому +304

    Somehow supercell is now releasing balanced brawlers? (not buzz lightyear)

    • @Person-iguess1092
      @Person-iguess1092 Місяць тому +15

      That is NOT balanced,that's weak

    • @bluose
      @bluose Місяць тому +74

      ​@@Person-iguess1092thats not weak your just used to op brawlers this is balanced it has a good healt and its range is really good even if you are close to a enemy you can hypnotize them

    • @fir1213
      @fir1213 Місяць тому +34

      ​@@Person-iguess1092 just say that you have skill issue when you called balanced Brawler weak

    • @rihamchaaban3952
      @rihamchaaban3952 Місяць тому +4

      Because he will realese in 2025 not 2024 because supercell havent been able you realese balnced this year

    • @Person-iguess1092
      @Person-iguess1092 Місяць тому +1

      @fir1213 skill issues with an unreleased brawler😭?

  • @swipefounddead
    @swipefounddead Місяць тому +121

    The reason he’s so different from all the other tanks is, well… he’s not a tank. Sure, he has plenty of health, but he’s way more support coded. All that health can’t be used to deal damage since his damage is so low, so the only REAL use for the massive amounts of health he has is to support his teammates with his super. It’s the same deal with meeple, honestly. It’s so hard to use his super to control, like he’s meant to do, because his reload and unload speed is so low, so all he can do is use his super to support his teammates and let them shoot through walls.

    • @rajnarlawar
      @rajnarlawar Місяць тому

      long

    • @hehehehaw8346
      @hehehehaw8346 Місяць тому

      With landing the super his next three shots are guaranteed plus the damage from the super means he'll deal 6700 damage which is not had actually but yeh against the tanky brawlers he does need his team

    • @SansTheFunny
      @SansTheFunny Місяць тому +1

      ​@@rajnarlawar thats what she said

    • @Editzx81
      @Editzx81 Місяць тому +1

      if it wasnt for the health he would be a control tbh

    • @BrzozaBandW
      @BrzozaBandW Місяць тому +1

      Dude, I'll just tell you that a tank is the same as a support only with more HP, every tank is a support to some extent, whose job is to help and defend his team, the only thing that distinguishes a Tank from a support is that a Tank has a lot of HP and a support either has average or little, but the tank's ability to help the team is weaker than a support's. Just a comment on the statement 😊

  • @PoleasX
    @PoleasX Місяць тому +428

    I wasn't expecting Ollie to be a tank, did you?

    • @leonard1201
      @leonard1201 Місяць тому +17

      Same

    • @Mrakcorn45719
      @Mrakcorn45719 Місяць тому +52

      I only knew he was going be a tank because in the brawl talk he had over 10000 health

    • @ahmedabdelrahmanahmedosman5469
      @ahmedabdelrahmanahmedosman5469 Місяць тому +32

      Bro… didnt you see his health what did you think he was

    • @glimmerstantroop46321
      @glimmerstantroop46321 Місяць тому +43

      he's such a tiny guy, it's so hilarious to see that he has more HP than Grom

    • @dinoshaz1909
      @dinoshaz1909 Місяць тому +13

      He forces people to come to him he needs hp of course he's gonna be a tank

  • @Biznack_
    @Biznack_ Місяць тому +43

    These kids don’t know anything about Warren G and Nate Dogg Lex

  • @IknowimbadJg
    @IknowimbadJg Місяць тому +17

    I love all the references to hip hop culture like all eyes on me and renegade

    • @SClrk
      @SClrk Місяць тому

      And hypnotize

  • @shirotakashi2625
    @shirotakashi2625 Місяць тому +49

    10:02 ah yes my favorite brawler, Otis!

    • @Popaza
      @Popaza Місяць тому +4

      Correct

    • @Omarius911
      @Omarius911 Місяць тому +4

      Indeed

    • @ericchisupa8736
      @ericchisupa8736 Місяць тому +5

      Very much

    • @58Sppedy
      @58Sppedy Місяць тому +3

      Personally, I prefer Cord
      7:03

    • @tkrtkrtkt777
      @tkrtkrtkt777 Місяць тому

      well yeah he’s my main and my favorite brawler

  • @dawoodkharal4532
    @dawoodkharal4532 Місяць тому +94

    Is it just me or ollie just looks like he has 6500 health max(for example bull is so muscular and he has 10k health

    • @dawoodkharal4532
      @dawoodkharal4532 Місяць тому +11

      Ollie just seems boring tbh

    • @Artemius02
      @Artemius02 Місяць тому +25

      And Berry doesn't look like he has only 5k

    • @bobo534-07
      @bobo534-07 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@dawoodkharal4532 not to me

    • @mustafayeni2979
      @mustafayeni2979 Місяць тому +1

      Tbh berry has a build similar to el primo (obv not as muscular but still) and has like halp his hp

    • @Alexbell-gt6er
      @Alexbell-gt6er Місяць тому +4

      Design doesn't play a big role. Game play does

  • @Glizzy_Gulper
    @Glizzy_Gulper Місяць тому +23

    Ain't no way brawl stars is starting to release brawlers that ain't completely busted???

    • @alejandroparra2800
      @alejandroparra2800 10 днів тому

      I mean until he is released officially, we don't know for sure, look at Charlie, everyone was saying she was balanced and then she was completely busted

  • @guntherhauer8065
    @guntherhauer8065 Місяць тому +4

    Hank: A Prawn Mounted on a TANK that can shoot Torpedoes at 6 Directions Without Any Kind Of Knockback: 11.200 HP
    Ollie: a kid on a hoverboard: 11.200 hp💀

  • @Xaviur
    @Xaviur Місяць тому +8

    You really caught the other references but not Hypnotize by Notorious B.I.G.? 😭

  • @aboveBS
    @aboveBS Місяць тому +39

    He's a tank?
    They said he's a "Taunter" (new class)

    • @NojusTuskas
      @NojusTuskas Місяць тому +25

      They meant his ability to taunt enemies, not his class

    • @juanmartingutierrez3524
      @juanmartingutierrez3524 Місяць тому +6

      Yeah pretty sure they said he was like a new class

    • @ChunkyObesity
      @ChunkyObesity Місяць тому +2

      No it says he is a tank in the patch notes

  • @Abdullay-mj4pj
    @Abdullay-mj4pj Місяць тому +10

    0:02 can’t believe theres almost 30 mythics…

  • @Niteshade_
    @Niteshade_ Місяць тому +21

    Over 10000 health for a child, crazy

  • @SonicThatAlsoPlaysBs
    @SonicThatAlsoPlaysBs Місяць тому +31

    11:27 you see that ollie! Now get back to work!!!

    • @yoyle224
      @yoyle224 Місяць тому +9

      I didnt know the context so i thought it was a racist joke😭

    • @BubbotCentral
      @BubbotCentral Місяць тому

      i said get back to work BLUD

  • @Johnsechuan
    @Johnsechuan Місяць тому +13

    I feel like there should be a Hybrid class in brawl stars. Ollie has the health of a tank, yet he acts more like a support brawler

    • @tomas.blitzgod
      @tomas.blitzgod Місяць тому

      Darryl, Sam, Willow, Berry, Crow, Buster, Doug, Kit and others are also 2 classes...

    • @Ex_kiddo
      @Ex_kiddo Місяць тому

      Years ago in 2022 there was one hybrid class. It was given to Darryl, Lou, Gale and Bonnie (thats how I remember it) But in one update it was removed and I think is because they wanted to make the classes more simple and easy to understand

    • @Johnsechuan
      @Johnsechuan Місяць тому

      @@Ex_kiddo yeah i know, i would like it if came back

    • @demonguy29
      @demonguy29 Місяць тому

      They definitely should bring it back (it's definitely going to kit)

    • @e.j.theplushanator4546
      @e.j.theplushanator4546 Місяць тому +1

      8-Bit is also an example of this
      He has the health of a tank, a turret like a support's, range of a marksman, and the damage of a damage dealer

  • @manjugurung1174
    @manjugurung1174 Місяць тому +11

    Just waiting for the day, when Byron actually takes down one brawler on his own.

    • @radmilastupar4235
      @radmilastupar4235 Місяць тому +12

      He did take down willow when she released

    • @IBetrayus
      @IBetrayus Місяць тому

      He will someday waiting for that day LOL

    • @radmilastupar4235
      @radmilastupar4235 Місяць тому

      @@IBetrayus not to be that guy, but he did it on the 28th of February 2023

  • @PoPss01
    @PoPss01 Місяць тому +9

    2:28 ALL EYEZ ON ME

  • @TaherGaming12
    @TaherGaming12 Місяць тому +16

    Just imagine with me , if Ollie taunts BULL...

    • @swipefounddead
      @swipefounddead Місяць тому +2

      NAH 😭😭😭😭🙏🙏

    • @crow231
      @crow231 Місяць тому +1

      say goodnight

    • @Marcuskwok-hn5yi
      @Marcuskwok-hn5yi Місяць тому

      what if ollie taunts a rank 3 clancy that has a super

  • @zahidjanjua426
    @zahidjanjua426 Місяць тому +9

    Is the a tank, a support and a controller all in one? Yes it is!

  • @SoBroNo.1
    @SoBroNo.1 Місяць тому +2

    On top of the references you pointed out, "Bring The Ruckus" is a Wu-Tang Clan reference, and "Hypnotize" is a Notorious B.I.G reference, "Renegade" is a Jay-Z ft. Eminem reference, and "Kick, Push," is a Lupe Fiasco reference

  • @dinoshaz1909
    @dinoshaz1909 Місяць тому +4

    I think the best loadout for him is definetely the jump(unless you are on a longe range map then the ammo taunt) and shield starpower, defintely wanna run health gear on this guy and you can use either shield or damage unless its a bushy map in which you would use vision

    • @hehehehaw8346
      @hehehehaw8346 Місяць тому

      Why healt. Damage and shield seem better

  • @Kobzerka
    @Kobzerka Місяць тому +6

    Finally no broken brawler good work Adrian💪🤩

  • @Mezmer_Acc
    @Mezmer_Acc Місяць тому +2

    Funny how he looks like Tyler in goblin era,his 30 gem skin looks like LL COOL J and his attack,super both gadgets and star powers are references

  • @Galaxenek
    @Galaxenek 13 днів тому +1

    His mechanics would've fit so well in the Enchanted trio or the Swamp Of Love trio 😭

    • @Seven-h-kun
      @Seven-h-kun 11 днів тому

      Or even someone for melodie trio (well except the hoverboard thing)

  • @glimmerstantroop46321
    @glimmerstantroop46321 Місяць тому +4

    2025 looking good for brawlers so far

  • @nondegonplayz9251
    @nondegonplayz9251 28 днів тому

    I love the references. Hypnotize by Biggie, Renegade by Jay Z, Kick, Push by Lupe Fiasco, Bring da ruckus by Wu Tang Clan, Regulate by Warren G, and All Eyez on me by 2Pac. Classics

  • @ScottY-t7f
    @ScottY-t7f 5 днів тому

    Brawl war prediction
    I think you’ll be pretty good is taunting will probably be pretty helpful and I feel like jumping gadget send some multiple characters have done really good and they could just go through a wall. Honestly, I could see him making it to the finals.

  • @txlmu
    @txlmu Місяць тому +1

    Needs a damage buff to 2300, maybe let both projectiles hit and nerf the dmg from 1 (eg: 1200 per one)

  • @SnaKaLaK
    @SnaKaLaK Місяць тому +4

    What if Ollie could deal back 70%of damage from enemys after super

  • @Mr.N1ntendo
    @Mr.N1ntendo Місяць тому +1

    Love the references this brawler has I recognized the song names he has

  • @Zachary-qv1bl
    @Zachary-qv1bl Місяць тому

    I feel like you should play Ollie like a support, bringing enemies to your (hopefully) high dps teammates or preventing enemies from completing objectives. As long as Ollie can charge a super which should be manageable with the tank trait, he can easily defend goals, regain control over hot zone, or stop enemy gem carriers, heist and showdown are not going to be good modes for Ollie cause he lacks the dps for solo and heist and he only has one teammate for duos wrather two or four.

  • @TastyBrioche
    @TastyBrioche Місяць тому +1

    To everyone wondering if he was supposed to be a Taunter /vnew class, that was most likely what he did (basicslly his hypnosis)

  • @AftermathBS
    @AftermathBS Місяць тому +2

    to everyone saying ollie is not broken: he isnt broken in 1v1's, but in team games, hes gonna be broken

  • @Frytek-Frytek
    @Frytek-Frytek Місяць тому +2

    3;45, the numbers remind me of something...

  • @kazutomotakayoshtosh
    @kazutomotakayoshtosh Місяць тому

    i feel like ollie was meant to be a controller but being how vulnerable he is during his super, they jacked his health up to top 5 in the game

  • @LucasKauffman-p6p
    @LucasKauffman-p6p Місяць тому +3

    I think his whole kit is references :)

  • @Crow2356-t9r
    @Crow2356-t9r Місяць тому

    They didnt release broken permanent brawlers but at the cost of a 9 year old having more health than a wrestler, a gangster and a machine gun

  • @TNK39855
    @TNK39855 Місяць тому

    my only problem with ollie as an otis main is that hypnotize is just a straight upgrade from silencing, cause they cant run away.

  • @zerdana
    @zerdana Місяць тому

    New brawler soon releases, only videos i need to see is: brawlstar's animation of brawler for lore etc, lex 1v1 every brawler, kairos brawlympics

  • @Mr.unknown585
    @Mr.unknown585 Місяць тому +1

    I think this character needs an urgent buff and the hypnotizing time of his super should increase

  • @Jay12Ducketzz
    @Jay12Ducketzz Місяць тому +3

    Bring the ruckus kinda sounds like the wu tang bring the mutherfudging ruckus

    • @RascalBS-1
      @RascalBS-1 Місяць тому +2

      Yh his whole kit is full of references

    • @SoBroNo.1
      @SoBroNo.1 Місяць тому

      Yoo I just commented that lmao, all of his moves are real rap/hip-hop references 😂

    • @Jay12Ducketzz
      @Jay12Ducketzz Місяць тому

      Ik LOL, they should've made his super dance like it's hot

    • @RascalBS-1
      @RascalBS-1 Місяць тому

      @@Jay12Ducketzz hypnotise is a biggie reference tho

    • @Jay12Ducketzz
      @Jay12Ducketzz 29 днів тому

      Oh yeah, almost forgot about hypnotize. Biggie biggie biggie, can't you see

  • @Attentiondificil-h8u
    @Attentiondificil-h8u Місяць тому +1

    Ollie likes hip-hop? Well well well…

  • @thedopekid7192
    @thedopekid7192 19 днів тому

    Giant Frankenstein: 9,800 HP
    Kid on skateboard: 11,200 HP
    💀💀💀

  • @ifdallilakbar4443
    @ifdallilakbar4443 Місяць тому

    10:00 alright, I'll call him Otis now... the brand new (not much) legendary brawler, Otis

  • @Milkreoo
    @Milkreoo Місяць тому +2

    9:20 shade hugs him to death 😊

  • @quentonthompson5495
    @quentonthompson5495 Місяць тому

    Dude!! Ollie us just a big 90's hip hop reference 😮😮

  • @Lucas-Dave
    @Lucas-Dave Місяць тому +1

    bro saying otis instead of cordelius was a punch in the face

  • @KingCobra27BrawlStars
    @KingCobra27BrawlStars Місяць тому

    @reallex 2:02 Kick, Push could also be a reference to Lupe Fiascos Song Kick, Push since that song is also about skateboarding

  • @rocketmillion
    @rocketmillion Місяць тому +1

    2 balanced brawlers this update 💀💀💀😭😭

  • @Prototype1253
    @Prototype1253 Місяць тому

    Very nice to reference Regualtors!!!

  • @Connor-yx5zq
    @Connor-yx5zq Місяць тому +1

    That hypnotize is gonna be broken

  • @Philipp-u1x
    @Philipp-u1x Місяць тому +1

    They put him in the tank category please change some classes of brawlers i mean kit support yeah right

  • @theguy027
    @theguy027 Місяць тому

    I love that all of his moves are old school hiphop

  • @BubbotCentral
    @BubbotCentral Місяць тому

    Ah yes, my favorite legendary shroomie boi, O T I S

  • @Qeegames
    @Qeegames Місяць тому +1

    Ollie needs a buff

  • @Stop_This_Madness
    @Stop_This_Madness Місяць тому

    I love this brawler, purely for the classic hip hop references alone

  • @Humfy_
    @Humfy_ Місяць тому +1

    That brawler actually ur skill issues test due to fact that u need to play similar to sandy most of the time
    That means that he DOESN'T need any balance changes

  • @swipefounddead
    @swipefounddead Місяць тому

    Who has more health?
    A). 7 foot (including hair) buff brute who can break through walls just by ramming his head into them
    B). Riley from the boondocks on a hover board

    • @cermancz
      @cermancz Місяць тому

      So i'm not the only who can hear Riley in it

  • @pandacheong2531
    @pandacheong2531 Місяць тому

    Lex you forgot to mention that Renegade is a Jay-Z/Eminem reference and Kick, Push is a Lupe Fiasco reference

  • @SpydogStudios
    @SpydogStudios 28 днів тому +1

    How the flip is a 10 year old on a skateboard a tank.🙏😭

  • @SULAIMAAANツ
    @SULAIMAAANツ Місяць тому

    Mark my words, Ollie is receiving a damage buff in the update right after the one he's getting released in

  • @ShadowOtakuEdits
    @ShadowOtakuEdits Місяць тому +1

    Ollie should be support he has 10k hp so he doesn’t die while using super that shouldn’t make him a tank he also has the dmg of a support

  • @anonymousmonkey9491
    @anonymousmonkey9491 Місяць тому

    and so our first actual aggro tank is...a beatboxer kid with a ski mask on a speaker/hoverboard hybrid

  • @catrivers5885
    @catrivers5885 Місяць тому +1

    That Leon bot in brawl ball is smarter then my Randoms

  • @TrippRusnak
    @TrippRusnak Місяць тому

    I feel like either Ollie’s health should get nerfed or Hank’s should get buffed because I don’t see how a skinny kid on a surf board and a literal underwater tank can both have 11,200 health.

  • @Weak_enDYC
    @Weak_enDYC Місяць тому +1

    What if two Ollies super into each other?🤔🤔

  • @Carson-h8e
    @Carson-h8e Місяць тому

    We need to finish the Melodie trio

  • @Inca123
    @Inca123 Місяць тому

    Does Ollie cancel super animations with his hypnotism? Cause if so I think her gadgets would be amazing for quick stunning some supers 😮

  • @jjgh5421
    @jjgh5421 Місяць тому +1

    Good video keep up the great work

  • @KØDAZ-base
    @KØDAZ-base Місяць тому

    I feel Ollie, Leon and shade would have been a cool trio

  • @Blinaka
    @Blinaka 24 дні тому

    Sam needs a rework, he needs an automatic reload after throwing the gauntlet, urgent

  • @Lolik75hg
    @Lolik75hg Місяць тому

    I love how supercell gives so many Hip-Hop references

  • @timtam3730
    @timtam3730 Місяць тому

    Hypnotize is a Biggie reference 😋

  • @maaxtan4
    @maaxtan4 Місяць тому +1

    Hi lex, why is mico's hypercharge inferior to sprout's hypercharge when the latter literally does nothing against pro players when the former can change key interactions like against tanks?

    • @imrlyrlybadatcomingupwithn5730
      @imrlyrlybadatcomingupwithn5730 Місяць тому

      sprouts cycles faster and the stat buffs help it plus sprout is a solid pick for pros and mico is a d tier brawler for pros and his hyper doesn't do as much

    • @maaxtan4
      @maaxtan4 29 днів тому

      @@imrlyrlybadatcomingupwithn5730 Just because a brawler's hypercharge is easy to cycle does not necessarily mean it's better, at least mico's enable u to turn the tide for some interactions but the stat buffs for sprout does not make up for how useless the main ability is like how is anyone supposed to get value when pros know to stay away from sprout's super?

  • @KabelixIdk
    @KabelixIdk Місяць тому +2

    For once it seems Balanced (Meeple is not balanced, he's shit)

  • @Bag_Of_Water
    @Bag_Of_Water Місяць тому

    The star power kick push is also a reference to the song by lupe fiasco

  • @Blinaka
    @Blinaka 24 дні тому

    These skill effects are sick

  • @zakaryloreto6526
    @zakaryloreto6526 Місяць тому

    This brawler needs a big visual redesign

  • @aryandhatrak6424
    @aryandhatrak6424 Місяць тому

    I really love your content❤

  • @aidenwoods2062
    @aidenwoods2062 Місяць тому +7

    Hey lex I’m a big fan can you respond?

  • @nathangaming4936
    @nathangaming4936 Місяць тому +1

    I don't like the super idea or concept of it because it's exactly when Willow was released in the idea of having somebody else. Control your war. Brawler is not really the best thing. Either to have them taunted or hypnotized to follow Ollie This is a brawler that I do not like due to it.Super my concept is all right but the super is not if they can change that that would be nice or lower the amount of time hypnotized

  • @ThunderBroke
    @ThunderBroke Місяць тому

    lex when he comes out we’re pushing hard 😀

  • @willee788
    @willee788 Місяць тому +1

    this is my new fav brawler
    love rap
    love warren g and 2pac
    my fav rappers
    rest in peace pac

  • @YeeterGuy
    @YeeterGuy Місяць тому

    I feel like they need to buff his damage to like at least 2000 and then maybe need something nerfed to keep him balanced

  • @gabrielefavadalberto4820
    @gabrielefavadalberto4820 Місяць тому

    its not a tank, its for a new class. and he is releasing in early acces on 29 december

  • @rainmb
    @rainmb Місяць тому +1

    5:48 kit wins solo with that 1234 combo

  • @joshua_bagel
    @joshua_bagel Місяць тому

    10:00 I make that same mistake all the time too 😭😭

  • @bubbatravis5857
    @bubbatravis5857 Місяць тому

    Kick Push is also the name of a older song by Lupe Fiasco

  • @Flaggerz
    @Flaggerz Місяць тому

    Tick actually dealing damage? Crazy

  • @tilak3693
    @tilak3693 Місяць тому +1

    Another competition to Doug for being trash
    3:27 Even lost to hank😶

  • @AthanatosIsTaken
    @AthanatosIsTaken Місяць тому

    I love how the both brawlers in this update is not overpowered(not including buzz)

  • @ihell_bruh
    @ihell_bruh Місяць тому

    First balanced brawl at release😳

  • @Ky9O5
    @Ky9O5 Місяць тому +1

    I think in the hands of a good player Ollie can Beverly strong

  • @yuzurukitagawa8987
    @yuzurukitagawa8987 Місяць тому

    Finally the a brawler that isn't broken

  • @JustDyssx
    @JustDyssx Місяць тому

    I don't think it's good to say that Ollie's mechanic it's hypnotize the enemy's with Willow in the room

  • @MN-hb2nx
    @MN-hb2nx Місяць тому

    Love controllers def gonna buy 😊

  • @EddywartBs
    @EddywartBs Місяць тому +1

    Kinda gives ekko vibes from arcane

  • @IknowimbadJg
    @IknowimbadJg Місяць тому

    I think the jump gadget is objectively better but im gonna use the other one just because of the name