Top 10 Greatest Fly Halves in Rugby History

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  • @sonic_attack
    @sonic_attack Рік тому +83

    No Larkham until honourable mention. That’s pretty much unforgivable.

    • @michaelmarama-de4gx
      @michaelmarama-de4gx Рік тому +13

      Larkham was a great player and would be in my top 3

    • @Giveme1goodreason
      @Giveme1goodreason Рік тому +11

      Larkham was the greatest running flyhalf I’ve seen. Some better kickers and ball players but he was lethal with the ball in hand.

    • @troyopenshaw8763
      @troyopenshaw8763 Рік тому +2

      Larkham right up there, Fox and Botha not even mentioned

    • @fatalexception1269
      @fatalexception1269 Рік тому +3

      Yep, even as a one-eyed All Black fan, i would have had Larkham at #2 behind Carter.

    • @miriamatinairatu-vk6dm
      @miriamatinairatu-vk6dm Рік тому +3

      Stephen Larkham,no South African,Merthens,Mathew Burke,French.Goodness

  • @ballinlough12345
    @ballinlough12345 Рік тому +52

    Shocking list . Having Jenkins o gara and Farrell and Barrett no Larkham Spencer or Botha😂😂 madness

    • @Tellemore
      @Tellemore Рік тому +2

      Chill out; it’s just one guy’s opinion

    • @rogerg.shannon3345
      @rogerg.shannon3345 Рік тому

      @@wlk2408 please look at the criteria "longevity, peak ability, all round performance and trophies won" - Naas shouldn't anywhere near
      !

    • @darrendavies1780
      @darrendavies1780 Рік тому

      Agreed. Terrible list.

    • @sparky687
      @sparky687 11 місяців тому

      Agree, but then it's compiled by a biased NH individual, and how many world cups has the NH won???..🦻

  • @Rhys78686
    @Rhys78686 Рік тому +18

    Neil Jenkins is behind Barry John, Phil Bennett and Johnathan Davies at 10 out of welsh 10’s for me.

  • @bunsenhoneydew6551
    @bunsenhoneydew6551 Рік тому +42

    Barry John & Phil Bennett (and I'm not welsh). You need more than just being able to kick pens & convs to make a top ten list.

    • @TheToledoTrumpton
      @TheToledoTrumpton Рік тому +5

      I'm not having any list without Phil Bennett on it, but I admit he isn't an automatic. Barry John not being on the list is just ignorance.

  • @iwanapgwilym1974
    @iwanapgwilym1974 Рік тому +21

    You cant take this list seriously if you have Neil Jenkins ahead of Barry John!!!!!!!

  • @marlinwilliams73
    @marlinwilliams73 Рік тому +47

    You have Owen Farrel on her but not Handre Pollard, Morne Steyn, Carlos Spensor or Andrew Merthens
    😯

    • @JoeTodd6
      @JoeTodd6 Рік тому +5

      Owen Farrell has 2 nominations for world player of the year whereas Pollard and Steyn have none

    • @marlinwilliams73
      @marlinwilliams73 Рік тому +9

      @Joe Todd ill take a world cup over two nominations.

    • @JoeTodd6
      @JoeTodd6 Рік тому +1

      @@marlinwilliams73 If England won the 2019 world cup final you'd be calling Farrell a better player than Pollard then ?

    • @marlinwilliams73
      @marlinwilliams73 Рік тому +7

      @Joe Todd theres no ifs in facts. Pollard is more clutch than farrell. In both world cup years, pollard was better. That has to count for something.

    • @darrenleroux2034
      @darrenleroux2034 Рік тому +1

      Shocker….

  • @stevechapman9690
    @stevechapman9690 Рік тому +16

    Stephen Larkham for Aus was awesome great all round skill and vision!

    • @christopherodonovan
      @christopherodonovan 9 місяців тому

      But he didn't even get a hall of fame place so hard to place him here

  • @masterr79
    @masterr79 Рік тому +16

    Thank you for acknowledging the brilliance of Hugo Porta

  • @martinscholtz6082
    @martinscholtz6082 Рік тому +31

    Naas Botha was unbelievable. Have a look at his point scoring abilities. He even played for the Dallas Cowboys due to his amazing kicking abilities. When he stepped on a field the team he played against already had a deficit of 15 points!

    • @rogerg.shannon3345
      @rogerg.shannon3345 Рік тому

      Naas Botha would have been included if they could have found any footage of him actually playing rugby and not just kicking and avoiding being tackled.

    • @pauldbeer
      @pauldbeer Рік тому

      @@rogerg.shannon3345 Negative Stuff like this because he most likely played your team into smithereens is the epitome of bias! At least try to be a bit objective and look at the stats...

    • @trevorcook8244
      @trevorcook8244 Рік тому

      Barry John was the greatest of all time destroyed NZ in 71 who had never lost a home series or did rugby not count untill the professional era?

  • @MrAhuapai
    @MrAhuapai Рік тому +29

    Mark Ella was the greatest loss to international rugby. At 24 he captained Australia to a grand slam victory scoring a try in every test match . He then retired because he didn't see eye to eye with then coach Alan Jones while simply being unable to afford to continue play as an amateur. His performances against NZ in the late seventies and 80s woke NZ up to the forward dominated pedestrian style of back play it had adopted in the seventies.
    Dan Carter is quite rightfully the GOAT due to his all round game, career stats and longevity.

    • @Giveme1goodreason
      @Giveme1goodreason Рік тому +1

      Greatest tragedy in Australian sports. If he couldn’t afford to play Union and didn’t like the coach. He’d have been the difference between the Balmain tigers being the greatest team to not win a premiership to being a great premiership team.

    • @richwalker1965
      @richwalker1965 Рік тому

      Barry John...

    • @richardmatatahi4563
      @richardmatatahi4563 Рік тому

      Yeah that Aussie backline were great to watch back then Mark Ella caused mayhem for the All Blacks. That Australian team were at the top of their game, awesome players

    • @MeanAzz_13
      @MeanAzz_13 Рік тому

      Agree *Mark Ella* was a *genius* with ball in hand
      From *NZL*

  • @petermocke2091
    @petermocke2091 Рік тому +35

    Naas Botha could drop with both feet to the posts. I'm not aware of any other flyhalf that had this ability.

    • @tomfabozzi5353
      @tomfabozzi5353 Рік тому +5

      He showed two of them on this list. Wilkinson and Porta. Hernandez could do it, too. Fly half isn’t all about drop goals. That said, it’s a weird list- Neil
      Jenkins is NOT one of the best 10s of all time!

    • @Bcharles1200
      @Bcharles1200 Рік тому +5

      @@tomfabozzi5353 neither is Farrell

    • @nickc5417
      @nickc5417 Рік тому +4

      @@tomfabozzi5353 Danial Carter could drop off both feet too

    • @BGNewsReporter
      @BGNewsReporter Рік тому +1

      Carter could

    • @morrisanderson818
      @morrisanderson818 Рік тому

      DC has a 100% record with his right boot,even though,we all know, he's a lefty,ok he only kick three,1 penalty ,and 2field goal's 😅

  • @johnnybeynon
    @johnnybeynon Рік тому +38

    I'm a Kiwi and missing Larkham easily owns a top spot, Spencer, or Mehrtens, or Fox well before Barrett who can't get a start, and South Africa had Morne Steyn who battles out and beat Carter on many an occasion.... I feel like you just did 10 great guys you could remember.

    • @mauricemunoz242
      @mauricemunoz242 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely mate Mehrtens, spencer , fox along with Steven should be in

    • @johnnybeynon
      @johnnybeynon Рік тому +3

      @@mauricemunoz242 beaver

    • @nimblegoat
      @nimblegoat Рік тому +3

      Fox was not that special to paraphrase Steve Hansen - he was always behind a Rolls Royce AB or Auckland pack - so had a lot of time for his kick game - Plus he had years to improve and craft his skills - Dan carter was good from the get go - There are no highlight reels of Fox's attacking flair , or his defending prowess - he won games of his in game line kicking and conversions - Dan Carter always worked to improve - his defending was the one with the most improvement . Truthly do you thing Fox would shine on a minor team ? - He had good passing ( see below )
      Barrett was great in his peak years - still a better FB than his brother - both lack strategic skills - Last WC Barrett kicked away all attacking ball - seems never to learn - but he's not complete like DC - DC was in the top 10 for many of his skills - The best ever by far of going to the line and kicking through ( very rarely blocked kicks ) .
      BB has one other big flaw - ignoring the odd fancy pass - just basic passing skills - no better than an average flyhalf .
      That's why Mo'unga and Dmac need to be in ABs - as more crisp passing - the most vital skill in our time constrained modern game

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому +1

      @@nimblegoat Great points. BB was stellar in his peak years, where he played a quick link-up play, and then burned people with speed. There's plenty of highlight reel material with BB, unlike Fox, which is another point where I totally agree with you. Another flaw of BB is his unreliable penalty kicking. He can have a good game, and he can have a total stinker on the boot as well. DC slotted them like a clockwork, including some extremely challenging kick and outlandish techniques, which demonstrated his confidence.
      Spencer was an innovator, who deserves to be on that top 10 list above other players. Larkham is a glaring omission as well.
      I agree on the passing, and I'm warming up to the idea of Dmac at 10, he's been showing some high quality zippers this season.
      Top 10 without a single South African is absurd. You could make a solid case for Percy, Morne, or Handre. The latter two are habitual winners and notorious big game performers, who were absolutely instrumental in their team winning the ultimate trophies: Steyn a RWC, and two BIL series, Pollard a junior RWC, senior RWC, RWC bronze, and BIL tour trophy.

    • @nimblegoat
      @nimblegoat Рік тому +1

      @@JTM1809 Yeah those Bokkies had great game control - The amazing thing about DC was his ability to work with anyone - Those Aussie Combos happened over many years - Simply annoys me Foster has squandered Mo'unga and Havili by playing them all wrong - ie giving them no space - and that silly dual playmaker crap - up there with Rest and rotation , super mensch ( 15% stronger than any other team ) , hit the man super plan- all this was entirely unnecessary by Henry - as we were the best team - TBF I've warmed to Henry as has got honest about his failings - Unlike Hansen who thinks his reign was just the greatest - which was on a down hill the moment Wayne Smith list - plus he had a super team 2015-2017- Henry swung hard other way from 2 number 11s to 2 number14s + 15 ( Not playing Howlett, Chris Jack and Aaron in that quarter was supreme arrogance ( Toeva was never a top tier 12-- just a skillful outside back )) - I thought Hansen was really good initially - middlepath , tweaking game half time etc - now think that was entirely Wayne Smith

  • @andrebloom7364
    @andrebloom7364 Рік тому +20

    The world missed out on a guy called Naas Botha due to SA isolation

    • @rogerg.shannon3345
      @rogerg.shannon3345 Рік тому

      thank goodness.... naas couldn't tackle nor break a defence. the only thing he broke was his ribs when he tried to tackle More Du Plessis. He was certainly not anywhere near an all round flyhalf. Thankfully his brand of rubgy is extinct now.

  • @mosreloaded
    @mosreloaded Рік тому +11

    Best fly half ever was Naas Botha. South african greats use to say if you loose a match with Naas in your team you pick 14 other men. Many South african legends was out of international Rugby. Some of them was the best player we have ever seen before politics entered south africa. He was a kicking flyhalf. Killed you kicking and could drop from everywhere. He averaged propably 3- 6 drop goals in every match. A rughby genius.

  • @willemkotze8616
    @willemkotze8616 Рік тому +21

    What about Naas Botha? If you think O'Gara and Porta were drop-kicking geniuses, you haven't seen this guy. He had a brilliant tactical and kicking game and lots of speed to burn. And along with Dan Carter, there were also Andrew Mehrtens or Grant Fox you could have added instead of Beauden Barret

    • @thesollys9540
      @thesollys9540 Рік тому +4

      Meh, Barrett is a much better player than either, BB much better attacker by country mile

    • @abatesnz
      @abatesnz Рік тому +3

      @@thesollys9540 Correct. Fox had almost no running game. A shame the ABs selectors valued his accuracy over that of Frano Botica's (not quite so high accuracy, but a great running game).

  • @alberttruter6143
    @alberttruter6143 Рік тому +17

    Naas Botha is greatest Springbok no 10’of all time. He is also considered one of the top 5 Springboks ever in South Africa, a rugby genius. I rate Naas and Dan Carter as the best two no 10’s of all time with johny wilkenson a distant third.

    • @BenErasBen
      @BenErasBen Рік тому +1

      Naas was great but I do think Johnny was better, if not better had more opportunity to look better, But yip my three Barry Johnn, Naas, Johnny. Don't think you can select a number. Too many different styles, game situations

    • @99999hhh
      @99999hhh Рік тому +1

      Complete rubbish, naas botha, never in the top 10, let alone better than Jonny, naas, was a terrible general and could not tackle to save his life. Many in SA did not like or rate him. Plus there's the small item he was banned as part of a racist banned team, from international rugby.

  • @chris5240
    @chris5240 Рік тому +5

    Morne Steyn, won Super Rugby titles, and has put over 30 points against NZ in a single match and had important kicks to beat the Lions 12 years apart.

  • @bullsharkdb
    @bullsharkdb Рік тому

    Excellent
    Thanks for recalling Hugo Porta, regardless Pumas no winning any important tournament or been amongst the 8 best national teams in the world, in his time.

  • @carnmarth1100
    @carnmarth1100 Рік тому +22

    Was there ever a better side stepping fly half than Phil Bennet. Some great fly halves here, I’m happy with Dan “the Man” Carter at no 1. I’m neither from Wales nor NZ.

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Рік тому

      Phil looked like he had drunk six pints before every match!

  • @JimmyKip
    @JimmyKip Рік тому +38

    Its obviously hard to narrow things down, and even harder to compare players from different eras but I think a top 10 list of #10s without a South African in it has some big holes.
    I think I see how you landed on the players you did - but focusing on total points in an era when there are so many more tests is for mine the wrong way to look at things. And then you have things like pre 80s it was pretty common for All Blacks Fullbacks to do the goal kicking which would necessarily preclude some of our guys from consideration.
    I'm a kiwi but i'm pretty surprised Naas Botha didn't get a mention, and mentioning Lynagh without noting Grant Fox is a bit of an omission too.

    • @jeremyreid9582
      @jeremyreid9582 Рік тому

      Great points.
      👍🏼

    • @chrishowell5718
      @chrishowell5718 Рік тому +1

      Yes, I'm not sure even Neil Jenkins' mum would consider him to be the greatest Welsh fly half ever, even if he was a great goalkicker and therefore could also cover fullback (?!?)
      There's surely no one right way to do this, but stacking up the numbers in a way that leans heavily on penalty kicking misses out so much.

    • @murraywalker540
      @murraywalker540 Рік тому +1

      Agree about the South Africans, Handre Pollard stands out, so does Naas Botha, way back when, he was a brilliant stylist of a style of play, as was their fly half when South Africa won the world cup for the first time. Like Grant Fox or Johnny Wilkinson, brilliant practitioners of a limited but highly successful way of playing.

    • @richwalker1965
      @richwalker1965 Рік тому +1

      @@murraywalker540 Wilkinson was a lot less limited than you appear to suggest.

    • @murraywalker540
      @murraywalker540 Рік тому

      True to a degree only on that England's style of play though highly successful was based on a formula, Wilkins style fell in with it.

  • @romainviry3185
    @romainviry3185 Рік тому +11

    One day I hope Romain NTamack will make his way into this glorious list.
    He was crazy fan of Dan Carter (obviously)😊

  • @lonestar6709
    @lonestar6709 Рік тому +21

    You missed Barry John, here.
    He didn't play for very long, but no-one played Rugby like Barry.
    When even the New Zealanders call you _The King,_ you know you're number one.

    • @keithwhite4485
      @keithwhite4485 Рік тому +2

      They broke the mould, of solid gold, that once made Barry John.

  • @richardgrant418
    @richardgrant418 Рік тому

    Excellent statistics and commentary plus great choice of highlights ….
    Possibly the best rugby video I’ve ever seen

  • @WalkingCWild
    @WalkingCWild Рік тому +13

    How on EARTH is farrell on this list given his conversion rate? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️l😂

  • @Roberto_79
    @Roberto_79 Рік тому +9

    So just to be clear here… Owen Farrell is on the list ahead of everyone you mentioned honourably? And some you missed like Henry Honibal, Joel Stransky, and Freddie Michalak… you must be part of the England selection team😂😂

    • @patrickchilds2987
      @patrickchilds2987 Рік тому

      It’s subjective, I’m guessing Farrell made the list because of his points tally, however if we remove him from the top 10 do you really think Stransky, Hannibal and Michalak are anywhere near the top 10..even top 20

  • @mysticproduce705
    @mysticproduce705 Рік тому +1

    You did a very accurate analysis of the skills and choosing amazing players. Thanks

  • @rodgersmith-iu1yb
    @rodgersmith-iu1yb Рік тому +6

    Naas Botha

  • @abatesnz
    @abatesnz Рік тому +2

    Frano Botica - the ABs selectors preferred Grant Fox because of his metronome-like accuracy - but Botica had an incredible running, passing and kicking game, and his accuracy was also pretty good (22 out of 24 kicks in his last NPC season for North Harbour).

  • @thomas_corbet
    @thomas_corbet Рік тому +22

    Carter is the best ever by some margin, but not including Larkham is a crime! He's top 5 minimum!
    Castaignède deserved a mention.

    • @ShiNooBi1986
      @ShiNooBi1986 Рік тому +9

      Owen Farrell should be knocked off this list for him

    • @dirkjordaan9044
      @dirkjordaan9044 Рік тому

      No I dont believe Carter is the best by far, Wilkinson was an incredible flyhalve and if he was a NZer they would probably say he was as good as Carter.

    • @thomas_corbet
      @thomas_corbet Рік тому +5

      @@dirkjordaan9044 If... that's a massive hypothetical, when in real life, Carter WAS a NZer and better than Wilkinson.

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому +2

      @@dirkjordaan9044 DC is the best fly half by some distance. Guy had no flaw to his game at all, and was top or near top in every single aspect of the game. This is not taking anything from Wilkinson, who in my eyes is the clear #2 of all time.
      FTR, I'm not from NZ.

    • @biggest23
      @biggest23 Рік тому +1

      @@dirkjordaan9044….The 2005 BIL’s tour to NZ was the match up where we got see who was better, Carter or Wilkinson and it was Carter, by a clear margin. Wilkinson’s fuggin brilliant, absolute legend, both on and off the field but, Carter had him beat when they went head to head.

  • @nazarcarelse7644
    @nazarcarelse7644 Рік тому +4

    As an South African,,I would rank Dan Carter as the greatest flyhalf in history,,#You go All Blacks 🎉🎉🎉

  • @tanielafaingaa6689
    @tanielafaingaa6689 Рік тому +10

    Dan Carter the GREATEST

  • @alisdairpert1074
    @alisdairpert1074 Рік тому +3

    Finn Russell should be No. 1

  • @smartalecc
    @smartalecc Рік тому +20

    Stephen Larkham - WC winner & multiple trophy winner & easily in Top 5 best flyhalves
    Handre Pollard - WC winner & u19 WC winner
    Carlos Spencer - completely revolutionised the position!
    Jenkins and O'Gara ? Slotted penalties & kicked up and unders & kicked across the park..

    • @MTG776
      @MTG776 Рік тому +2

      Agree fully...

    • @allansbullet
      @allansbullet Рік тому +1

      Carlos Spencer certainly revolutionised the position - he showed everyone how to run sideways like a headless chook!

    • @abatesnz
      @abatesnz Рік тому

      @@allansbullet He kept Dan Carter out of the ABs 10 spot (until he through *that* pass to Mortlock).
      'Nuff said.
      DC did go on to surpass him though.

    • @allansbullet
      @allansbullet Рік тому

      @@abatesnz Carter came into the All Blacks in 2003, Mehrtens was still there, Spencer was still there until 2004. Spencer only scored 291 points in his AB's career. Mehrtens was 676 ahead of him a the end of his - with 967. And as for Carter, Spencer didn't delay him for long - by midway through his THIRD AB's season, 2005, he'd already supassed Spencer's total career points!! Even Cruden scored more points for the AB's - 322. Still think Spencer was the best thing since sliced bread?? Mehrtens should be there LONG before Spencer!!

    • @abatesnz
      @abatesnz Рік тому

      @@allansbullet Carlos pretty much retired from the ABs after *that* pass. He was erratic and that's why he was kept out by Mehrtens. But his running game was sublime.
      Sliced bread? Never said that. Carter was, as I said. Read all 3 lines of my post.

  • @montybrewster7
    @montybrewster7 Рік тому +5

    As welshman we've had some outstanding 10's over the years. But when it comes to picking all timne greats i think dc is the first name on the list regardless of position.

  • @andyl736
    @andyl736 Рік тому +3

    Owen Farrell is better than Barry John and Phil Bennett? I'm not even Welsh and that offends me.

  • @sydneymartin6941
    @sydneymartin6941 Рік тому +2

    After all these years politics still play a part in sport Naas Botha was and is the best flyhalf in the world And I don't want no arguments about this as we know with him in your team you already have 15 points on the board even before the game starts Thank you

  • @SimonWH1
    @SimonWH1 Рік тому +2

    It's a great and well considered list bt there are two Welsh 10s who need considering; Barry John and Phil Bennett.

  • @lylephillips6456
    @lylephillips6456 Рік тому +9

    No mention of Naas Botha...🤮🤮🤮🤑

  • @therealmrfishpaste
    @therealmrfishpaste Рік тому +5

    Goodness...Naas Botha doesn't even rate an honourable mention....that's a bold call....

    • @magdapienaar1993
      @magdapienaar1993 8 місяців тому

      Naas was only a kicker, no attacker or defender. Pollard far more a better flyhalf than Naas

    • @terrybortz3489
      @terrybortz3489 3 місяці тому

      You obviously haven't watched much footage of Naas. He was a great attacking flyhalf

  • @kanecampbell3145
    @kanecampbell3145 Рік тому +1

    As a kiwi I couldn't argue with your list apart from leaving Bernie Larkham out. He was a key reason for Australia's dominance in the late 90s and early 2000s. I would have ranked him at 4th behind Carter, Wilkinson and Beauden.

  • @RecoilReport75
    @RecoilReport75 Рік тому +1

    Have to agree look into Naas Botha.

  • @makeperceive
    @makeperceive Рік тому +2

    Naas Botha, obviously. But no complaints about Carter topping the list.

  • @2TNOIR
    @2TNOIR 9 місяців тому +1

    Phil Bennet and Barry John don't make the cut, mate you are playing with yourself!

  • @Naasjpn
    @Naasjpn Рік тому +5

    Neil Jenkins ahead of Phil Bennett and Barry John?

  • @budyza180
    @budyza180 Рік тому +5

    Stephan Larkham and Naas Botha should both be in your top 10. The fact you didn't even mention Botha speaks to your knowledge/credibility/bias. Botha/Carter vie for the GOAT. At least Hugo Porta and Mark Ella made your top 10. Along with Beauden, they'd be my top 5.
    The petulant, unsporting Farrell and O'Gara do not deserve to be anywhere near such a list. They're the antithesis of what rugby players should be.

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому +1

      Speaking of knowledge/credibility/bias, you just wrote there, that you wouldn't have Jonny Wilkinson in top 5. Wilkinson is clear cut #2 fly half of all time. It's DC at #1 with a healthy margin over #2 Wilkinson, then there's Mariana Trench, and then anyone else.
      I agree with you on Botha and Larkham, they should make the list, but Ella or Porta should be in HM at best.
      Farrell is controversial not so much on his skill, but on the fact he spent most of his international career playing at 12.

    • @budyza180
      @budyza180 Рік тому +2

      @@JTM1809Hey Sumo, Speaking of knowledge/credibility/bias, you just wrote there...?
      Yes, we all have our biases. You too.
      Of course you're welcome to your opinion. Even if you had to go hyperbolic to try and make it.😉But I'll stick with mine, if that's okay? 😉
      It's understandable that these 3 players are not more widely appreciated.
      If Porta had played for one of the top tier nations they'd've made movies about him. Sadly for him, and all rugby lovers, playing for Argentina restricted his spotlight and international adulation, afforded stars of NZ, England etc.
      I also believe that had Ella played longer, he would've set many records and been more widely recognised.
      There's also no doubt that Botha was denied wider exposure because of South Africa's isolation. But he was a matchwinner of extraordinary ability.
      Wilkinson was a great player, no doubt about it. He also enjoyed unprecedented media recognition and promotion in his playing days, so will quite understandably be top of mind for many rugby fans.
      Both Ella and Porta were, in my opinion, far superior flyhalves to Jenkins, O'Gara, Sexton and Farrell, and with my biases, deserve way more than HM status. 🤓😉

  • @murraywalker540
    @murraywalker540 Рік тому +5

    Sadly this is biased towards the more recent players as such, as per Stephen Larkin, it omits historical greats like Naas Boata, Mark Ella, Andrew Mertens, Phil Bennet, Bary John , to name but a few. A tad more research would make this more interesting

    • @RelentlessRugby
      @RelentlessRugby  Рік тому

      Mark Ella features at #6 mate

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому

      Ella is there. He absolutely shouldn't be, but that's a separate issue.
      Also, I would split this to pro era, and amateur era. I find it extremely hard to argue for any of the 1980's or older era players selection over today's above average fly half. Athletically, there's no comparison.

    • @murraywalker540
      @murraywalker540 Рік тому

      True I didn't finish watching and see Mark Ella, though I don't altogether agree about not being able to compare different eras, which we can and do across a lot of sports. Pele and Maradona, Donald Bradman, Jim Laker , training methods don't obscure talent over time. As far as rugby union goes, before Dan Carter, Grant Fox stood head and shoulders, being the on field brains off a nearly perfect , as far as results go, team that for a time and before professionalism was truly formidable. Similar many ways to O'Gara and Johnny Sexton.

  • @robhemsley480
    @robhemsley480 Рік тому +1

    Phil Bennett should be in there. And many say Barry John. I’m not Welsh, but they certainly set the heart racing!

  • @whiteafrican
    @whiteafrican Рік тому +16

    Naas Botha? He defined what a flyhalf is supposed to be...

    • @ToxicKingMad
      @ToxicKingMad Рік тому

      Played in amateur times against plumbers & car mechanics

  • @amenrah9143
    @amenrah9143 Рік тому +2

    1# CARTER
    2# WILKINSON (3)
    3# LARKHAM (2)

  • @ceironharris8593
    @ceironharris8593 Рік тому +2

    No phil Bennett or Barry John wow

  • @jamesgrove6256
    @jamesgrove6256 Рік тому +2

    Naas Botha should be on the list

  • @robertmiller2173
    @robertmiller2173 Рік тому +2

    Wow so many great players! Porta was a classic. As a Kiwi I liked Larkham as well, man he could send shivers down my spine watching him carve through a the All Blacks backline just like a Beef Boner dealing to a Large Steer at the Pukeuri Freezing Works just out of Oamaru, in New Zealand's Mainland. NZ's Largest Island, the South Island.

    • @biggest23
      @biggest23 Рік тому

      Unnecessarily lengthy descriptions…. are fuggin gold.

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Рік тому

      Nonsense comment. matey!

  • @warrenmyburgh2397
    @warrenmyburgh2397 Рік тому +7

    No Phil Bennet, Barry John nor Naas Botha ? WTF

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Рік тому

      Correct! Bennet too fat and lumbering!

  • @richwalker1965
    @richwalker1965 Рік тому +2

    Well - easy unmentioned additions - and probably ahead of all, but the top two - Barry John, Phil Bennet, Grant Fox, Joel Stransky, Andrew Mehrtens
    Mehrtens
    Fox
    Lynagh
    Bennet
    Ella
    Porta
    Larkham
    Stransky
    Barry John
    Wilkinson
    Carter
    Ok that's 11!

    • @mrmastersa
      @mrmastersa Рік тому

      Much better list... Glad Larkham is getting good shouts as he played a lot of fantastic rugby behind a weak pack... Id probably switch Jiffy in for Grant Fox and think Carlos Spencer deserves a mention

  • @TheBullhannigan
    @TheBullhannigan Рік тому +1

    Great content, good writing and footage. You should get a better microphone and sound editing, though. And also, 2018 was Ireland's third Grand Slam. An Irishman should know that, fella! From a fellow Irishman. All in all, good stuff.

    • @RelentlessRugby
      @RelentlessRugby  Рік тому +1

      Thanks, I meant Ireland's first ever 6 nations Grand Slam as opposed to the 5 nations ones they've had in the past but I cut the script down a bit forgetting it made the statement inaccurate.
      I've got a better microphone that's used in more recent videos

    • @TheBullhannigan
      @TheBullhannigan Рік тому

      @Relentless Rugby fair play, mate. Minor criticisms and all that. Great work, all in all. See ya in a couple of pubs round Dublin maybe.

  • @markeast4647
    @markeast4647 Рік тому +1

    Where the hell is Barry John ? Phil Bennet ?

  • @beamishpirikahu3145
    @beamishpirikahu3145 Рік тому +5

    Mark Ella was just raw talent and a beautiful player to watch he oozed classand tho I'm a dedicated all black supporter, he was the one I loved watching play

  • @hansielategan969
    @hansielategan969 Рік тому +7

    Dan Carter was great and would even get the nod as inside centre too. The problem is that most of these players played behind absolute dominating packs. It is easy to break records when your team dominates. That is why someone like Barrett would not make the list for me as he is rubbish when he is under pressure, just like Spencer was. Porta played in a struggling team all his life and was a super star. I wonder what it would have looked like if he played behind a monster All Black of Springbok pack? He may have just broken all records as he was such a complete player. Some guys that I think could easily make the list, are Naas Botha, Barry John and Phil Bennett.

    • @ShiNooBi1986
      @ShiNooBi1986 Рік тому +2

      Beauden Barret played for the Hurricanes most of his career lol traditionally NZs weakest forward pack yet was always picked as AB incumbent. You never get picked as an AB 10 if you're rubbish.
      What's rubbish is your choice of first five eighths who couldn't tackle to save their lives, how is that not withstanding pressure?

    • @michaelkonelio7452
      @michaelkonelio7452 Рік тому +1

      Rubbish but won the world player of the year twice 🤣

    • @hansielategan969
      @hansielategan969 Рік тому

      @@michaelkonelio7452 Because he plays behind a massive pack. Only reason.
      Maybe this will solve it for you. In 2022 the All Black pack was less dominant. E=Why do you think Barrett lost his place to Maunga? Only because Maunga is much better under pressure.
      Barrett very much like King Carlos was. On the front foot they are extremely dangerous, so when the pack dominates, they really shine - and will get rewards. Once the pack struggles, their wheels come off. But we are digressing from my initial argument. We name great players because they play in great teams as the best in the world, only because they play in great teams. If they played for smaller countries, they would have disappeared - like many great players in small struggling countries.
      Take Rupeni Caucaunibuka (spelling?) He charged onto the scene after a world cup match where this extraordinary wing exploded onto the scene with a great try. After that he was contracted to play i Europe and we saw how good he is. Can you imagine how great he would have been behind an All Black pack?

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому

      @@hansielategan969 You're defeating your own point here. First off, every fly half plays worse behind a struggling pack. Some adjust their game better than others, but a pack struggling can't help the backs in any way. Look no further than 2015-2017 Melbourne Rebels. They had pretty much the entire Wallaby backline, but their forwards sucked, and they never got anywhere. It was fancy to watch, but no cigars at the end.
      Argentineans are notorious for their stupidly big forwards. Always have been, always will be. In the days of yore, Argentina could rely on their pack, and they were elite scrummagers before they were an overall elite team. It's only relatively recent (last decade or so) that their pack became less dominant.

  • @mpgnz73
    @mpgnz73 Рік тому +2

    Shocked not to see Larkham here - and near the top. He was easily the best 10 in the first half of his career and only surpassed after Carter started. He's definitely better than Wilkinson who only had a handful of years at his best - as well as most others on this list. Lynagh shouldn't really be mentioned in a top 10.

  • @douglasherron7534
    @douglasherron7534 Рік тому +6

    Naas Botha, Barry John, Phil Bennett, Ollie Campbell, Rob Andrew?
    If Jonathan Davies & Andrew Mehrtens had not had honourable mentions (which is a travesty) they would be there too...

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Рік тому

      Rob Andrew? OMG! And Davies can't stop whining that the Welsh were cheated!

  • @akumassj7827
    @akumassj7827 Рік тому +4

    Ella, Jenkins or O'Gara over Merterns??? And where's Grant Fox in the honorable mentions???

  • @kevinrombouts3027
    @kevinrombouts3027 Рік тому

    Excellent list.

  • @kennethjames9416
    @kennethjames9416 Рік тому +2

    No Barry John or Phill Bennet,not a complete list then!

  • @AntonJordaan777
    @AntonJordaan777 Рік тому +2

    Where is Naas Botha and Larkham? Many others missing too. List is shocking.

  • @jesusiscoming6581
    @jesusiscoming6581 Рік тому +1

    Are you serious, The Springboks, the three times rugby world champs have no best flyhalf in your top 10? .

  • @daaichommie708
    @daaichommie708 Рік тому +3

    No list is ever going to make everyone happy. You could make a list of the top 10 000 fly halves and people will still complain. Top list overall. Most of these guys would make most teams starting 15.
    An honorable mention for me, that not even a lot of South Africans consider, is Henry Honiball.
    The guy made our backline flow like water. Didnt get along with Nick Mallet (the coach), and Mallet decided to drop him and end his career. For this reason I will forever have a burning hatred for Mallet. Honiball would have made most teams starting 15. The GOAT of SA Flyhalves is, of course, the great Naas.

  • @MartensAD
    @MartensAD 11 місяців тому +1

    Pollard?

    • @clementkayembe-f9g
      @clementkayembe-f9g 11 місяців тому

      exactly pollard was not even mentioned he should be up there

  • @2112TinTin
    @2112TinTin Рік тому +3

    Grant Fox was the best tactician, Phil Bennet had the most flair, Wilkinson to play for my life and Mehrtens just the best behind a good pack.

  • @magnusmcgee993
    @magnusmcgee993 Рік тому +2

    Sorry, Super Rugby teams like the Hurricanes are not club rugby. 'Below' are province (like county) and then club.

  • @ericsicard910
    @ericsicard910 Рік тому +2

    No french fly half? Dupont is already one of the greatest in history, Galthié won the ww player of the year award, …

  • @awblax1
    @awblax1 Рік тому +1

    Cliff Morgan? Barry John? Phil Bennett?

  • @iwanapgwilym1974
    @iwanapgwilym1974 Рік тому +3

    NO Barry John, come on!!!

  • @michaelbrett4592
    @michaelbrett4592 Рік тому +1

    Where is Barry John & Phil Bennett

  • @glennbundesen3439
    @glennbundesen3439 Рік тому +2

    Nice that Larkham got an honorable mention but ridiculous that the likes of Jenkins and O’Gara made the top 10 and he didn’t. Matt Giteau should get a look in somewhere.

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому

      I agree, that Larkham should be on that list. I disagree with the dissing of Jenkins and O'Gara, both of whom were great players. Jenkins was the first player to score 1000 international points, and he played in an era with way fewer international matches on schedule per year. And contrary to the stereotypes, he could run with the ball and was an excellent distributor with a very precise pass, thus having a complete game. A lot of SH fans soiling on him here clearly have no clue about how good he was. O'Gara was a brilliant tactician, and he too could take a wee dash with the ball.

  • @luchiboy
    @luchiboy Рік тому +5

    Owen Farrell over Merhtans, Pollard, Larkham, Mounga, Steyn? You must be trolling right??

  • @tashanmy
    @tashanmy Рік тому +2

    Barry John

    • @ccahill2322
      @ccahill2322 Рік тому

      Ying Chow Soo, Vinny Jones and George Best--left out? Scandalous!

  • @857noel
    @857noel Рік тому +1

    Any top 10 that doesn`t include Barry John and Phil Bennett is invalid

  • @zabaleta66
    @zabaleta66 Рік тому +1

    Mark Ella, Jonathan Davies and Hugo Porta are the top 3.....in that order! All three had that indefinable quality of unpredictability, without being mistake prone.
    Dan Carter and Barry John (the king in NZ) round out the top 5, though the ghostly Stephen Larkham makes it a top 6 for mine.
    Lescaboura, who scared the tits off my AB's back in the mid 80's, Botha (underrated footballer and along with Fox the only guy I'd want kicking to save my life!), Wilkinson (At least one of the two or three top generals), Bennett, Lynagh and Fox (a thoroughly unimaginative player but possibly the best general behind a dominant forward pack) round out my top 12.

    • @richardscanlan3419
      @richardscanlan3419 Рік тому

      Carter at 1 -and by some distance.Ella wasn't around long enough to be in the top 3.And Porta,at best makes the top 10.

    • @nickc5417
      @nickc5417 Рік тому

      lol, DC at #4....you have no idea champ

  • @johnyanderson6604
    @johnyanderson6604 Рік тому +2

    Dan Carter...play and kicks

  • @Adam-oy4ix
    @Adam-oy4ix Рік тому +2

    1/ Carter
    2/Daylight
    3/The rest....

  • @garethm4800
    @garethm4800 Рік тому +2

    You clearly don't watch much rugby from the southern hemisphere so I can understand your bias but for your guidance, take a look at the country names on the world cup trophy and you would assume rugby is only played in the southern hemisphere.

  • @VagabondShoes
    @VagabondShoes Рік тому +2

    No Naas ...

  • @paulprice1705
    @paulprice1705 Рік тому +2

    Dan was and IS the Man.

  • @heinrichswanepoel6566
    @heinrichswanepoel6566 Рік тому

    You are way of with top 10 .
    I would agree with mabey 4 of the 10 .

  • @dgooders1554
    @dgooders1554 10 місяців тому

    1 Dan Carter
    2 Barry John
    3 johnny wilkinson
    4. Johnny Sexton
    5.Jonathan Davies
    6. Phil Bennet
    7. Handre Pollard
    8. Micheal Lynagh
    9. Stephen Larkham
    10. Richie Mo'unga
    11. Mark Ella

  • @MrSuperdave75
    @MrSuperdave75 Рік тому +1

    Ella Bennett and Tony Ward

  • @TheGiff7
    @TheGiff7 Рік тому

    Mike Gibson and Jack kyle both deserve a mention.

  • @heinrichfourie-h3g
    @heinrichfourie-h3g Рік тому +2

    from a springbok no larkham and carloss spencer in there is unforgiven but farrell is there he could never do things those 2 was capable of

  • @Moggy471
    @Moggy471 Рік тому +1

    Barry John.

  • @philipsweetnam4294
    @philipsweetnam4294 Рік тому +2

    To leave Naas Botha off this list is a joke.

  • @michaelsallytopper1007
    @michaelsallytopper1007 Рік тому

    Naas Botha. One of the best international records in a career shortened by politics. Phil Bennett.

  • @ianolds8522
    @ianolds8522 Рік тому +1

    Speaking as a South African, this is a "kak" video! South Africa has been one of the best nations playing rugby, having given every other nation playing this game a bloody nose, sooner or later, sometimes many times. Given the significance of the position of fly half one would imagine that at least one would make the Top Ten. Sorry, I get it now, your fly halves could be so very bad because the rest of your teams were so very good! Sharpen your pencil, Relentless Rugby!

  • @ryanwaugh1
    @ryanwaugh1 Рік тому +2

    You lost me when you said no arms Farrell. Guy shouldn’t be in the national side as flyhalf.

  • @JM-ky2nm
    @JM-ky2nm Рік тому +2

    No Larkham. No Naas Botha.

  • @agnostic47
    @agnostic47 Рік тому +2

    Neil Jenkins in the top 10 greatest fly halves? Oh please. He was a kicker who could just about hold a place. He was even played at full back to keep him in the team.
    No Barry John? Makes it a pointless list really. I'm English and old enough to have seen John play. He was magical.

    • @JTM1809
      @JTM1809 Рік тому

      Disagree. Jenkins could run the ball, and he had an excellent pass. Not saying he was the best stepper, but "he was a kicker who could just about hold a place" is just simply not true.
      Also, comparing players across eras is absurd. Pro era players would eat their scrawny 80's and older era counterparts for lunch. Today's backs would physically dominate 1970's forwards.

  • @merlin5420
    @merlin5420 Рік тому +3

    Grant Fox
    Naas Botha
    Morne Steyn
    All match winners
    *not the greatest defenders

  • @rickster5120
    @rickster5120 Рік тому +3

    Think 1 and 2 are correct ..but nothing much between Wilkinson and Carter ..personally think Wilkinson greatest ever defensive 10...but Carter shades him on attacking ..honestly believe the 2 live on a shelf alone in the history of the game...it'll take an incredible talent to emerge than can get near either of them in the future

    • @brucefale6132
      @brucefale6132 Рік тому +4

      Carter was no mug on defense bro

    • @rickster5120
      @rickster5120 Рік тому

      @@brucefale6132 I didn't say that...but Wilkinson was victim of injuries caused by his own bravery and hits he put in..nothing much between these 2 in any department in honesty..Glad to have watched their careers. Both played in their respective countries best ever teams ..but Johnny played in a generally rank club side in England and international side was often pretty ordinary. Glad he got the respect and success he deserved in France

    • @brucefale6132
      @brucefale6132 Рік тому +2

      @@rickster5120 you said johnny was the better defensive 10 which is rubbish.
      I believe they were both equally brilliant on defense.

    • @rickster5120
      @rickster5120 Рік тому

      @@brucefale6132 both the same ..that'll be a NZ opinion then no doubt ...everyone is entitled to an opinion and in most analysts or ex players opinions they rate Jonny as best defensive 10 that ever played . But hey we're all talking RUBBISH ..thanks for that

    • @brucefale6132
      @brucefale6132 Рік тому

      @@rickster5120 ok.....nvm opinions then.
      The facts tell the true story then....lol
      Suck on that dickhead😁

  • @ballinlough12345
    @ballinlough12345 Рік тому +1

    Clearly a casual new fan who has no clue of southern hemisphere rugby .

  • @naasduplessis855
    @naasduplessis855 Рік тому +4

    Agree with Carter at 1. There's no contest. But not even a honourable mention for Naas Botha?! Geez

    • @brucefale6132
      @brucefale6132 Рік тому

      Botha spent his entire career kicking the ball away

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Рік тому

      Botha played for an Apartheid team! Get it?

  • @sidgoing1
    @sidgoing1 Рік тому +5

    I'd have Larkam at #2 on this list, so a big miss for me.
    Beauden Barrett is one of the most gifted rugby players I have ever seen. But he ain't in the top 10 flyhalves of all time, let alone at #3.
    Grant Fox wasn't one of the flashiest of players but was in control of one of the greatest teams to take the field in the late 80s.
    Nas Botha and Henry Honiball were a couple of Safa players I admired.
    Good list thou. Mark Ella isn't given enough credit as being one of the great 10s to ever play.