Living in Washington as a kid, we moved in 59. I recall the big hit to the economy as the mills would shut down. Tacoma was hit very hard. I can think of one way to help though. The lumber companies should stop selling un-milled logs to other countries. I went and looked at the loading of ships leaving the port getting loaded.
I am still in Washington. My ICON is a hydraulic motion controller used to position logs and saws. My company used to sell 40% to the wood products industry. Now it is less but we sell more overseas. BTW, on a per capita basis. Canada was our best customer until the virus and Trudeau. Years ago I knew someone who grew up in Valsetz OR. It was a Boise Cascade town. It was closed down. The town no longer exists.
Yes agree. During the 70s and 80s whole logs were being shipped. Sold mainly to Japan and China. Even many Islands that use to have trees on them we're sold off by their government. The economy lagged and the high demand from these continents gave high prices. They placed restrictions on finished products and high tariffs. So whole logs were cut and shipped. We started paying higher timber price because less finish product was made here and more shipping here. We have a housing crises now and they want to take all lumber off the market. I always said some day that wood bowl you gave to Goodwill will be worth 500.00. That Washington following California.
Bought and paid for to ignore poor management by timber companies. Those companies never cared about the community beyond the money they could extract from them.
@@1harrismccartyLocally owners support their communities. The out of states and some Wall street group or big corporations don't. It's the loca ownersl that gets hurt the most.
Well maybe it's time to listen to one of the Grande America haters of all time named Bill Gates who thinks ALL TREES on earth should be felled and then buried to isolate the Co2 that's inside every log. That's EVERY TREE ON EARTH in case you missed what he said. He's already buying prime farmland in the midwest and guess what??? He's not farming any of it either, it's laying fallow for some reason. There's a classic example of his life being to easy. All that money that buys him all that access and all he can do is act like the evil Lex Luthor that people despise and will try endlessly to defeat.
Thin the forest with selective cutting or it will all burn. So called environmentalists in government think a no cut approach works...timber companies want clear cuts to reduce cost. The way is in the middle with sustainable selective cutting not complete bans.
Come up with the statistics to prove your point. All you have to do is look at logging operations and they clearcut. Environmentalists continue to oppose logging of any kind. Show me the acres of selective cutting in the last 5 years in Oregon and I'll show you the massive acreage burned by fires through third growth monoculture same age timber farms, they are not Forests.@@Look_What_You_Did
@Look_What_You_Did Did you listen to the video? Change in state policy: Reduction of timber harvesting from 285 million board feet to 180 million board feet. That's a huge reduction. In addition, selecting thinning is used very successfully in the Piney Woods of East Texas to prevent catastrophic wildfires. Texas is number 2 or 3 in number of wildfires every year, but most can be contained to small amount of acreage. Obviously, there are geography differences, but the premise is proven.
That's why Jay Inslee is LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH ABOUT FOREST FIRE SMOKE IN THE SUMMERTIME due to forest fires EVERY ONE of which is his fault exclusively?? I've lived here in western Washington for over 60 years and all this smoke every summer is a relatively new appearance and happens due to them no longer burning large slash piles in the wintertime so they wouldn't be burning along with the forest in the summertime. This is not rocket science!! It's called FOREST MANAGEMENT and if you choose not to do that you're choosing NO FOREST MANAGEMENT no matter what these enviro-lunatics call it. We know what works when it comes to forest management and we know what doesn't work as well. And Jay Inslee's method of forest management DOES NOT WORK and never will. Got smoke?? Only if Jay non manages your forests...
Oh man, I lived 2 houses down from the lumber mill growing up -- heard the log trucks all the time, they would even shake the old house sometimes, but we were all used to it as a part of life.
That happened in Dallas, Oregon. The mill was closed in 2009. The other main industry was the plant Caterpillar (Lift Trucks etc). They were the main employers in the small town, so I totally get the shock waves that are happening in Banks. It’s tough!
Pope and Talbot and Hines Lumber Co. Left Oakridge in a mess as well. Some of the problem was the Spotted owl. But they stripped 20 years of timber in just a couple thinking thet would beat the endangered species act. They exported so many raw logs that could have been local milling jobs that it was sickening to see.
In 2023 the Jr Simplot company announced they were closing the Lathrop CA facility. That plant has been a staple since the 50/60's. 3 different owners. Berry's, oxydental, and Simplot. Though we live in central CA it's still a hit for 200 union and salary employees. I can't imagine a community of 2000+/- losing this. Tears of sadness for all. Stay strong Banks.
I am retired now but I use to automate sawmills. There are far fewer sawmills in the US that there was in 1980 but the ones that are left are much more efficient. What surprises me is the amount of lumber that will be cut down is MUCH less.
In my state, a nick in a log means it has been milled, and it goes to offshore Chinese ~ for nothing. We have sold this nation out - we give them our natural resources, many rot on their decks. And we get cheap plastic. In 1980 they all closed here and we had a soft genocide, people lost homes, and their children are now in tent towns. The overgrown state capital shirkers live in those stolen homes now.
@@barbaraallen7164I love spotted owls and think they should for sure be well conserved. I'll bet if a human carnivore was starving that they would taste as good as chicken........
@@allen_p the former POTUS orange mussolini said Norway doesnt have wildfires because they rake the forests of leaves. i was trying to make a funny haha
Always blaming Democrats for your issues. Why not take some personal responsibiility for the state of your community? There are plenty of small towns that got with the times.
Sorry for the locals to see their lives upended, it's a heads-up for everybody --- I worked on the green chain at Harris Pine Mill in Pendleton, OR in 1965...retrained and moved on,. HPM closed down in 1986.
I live in a different town that sounds almost exactly like this one sub 2000 population and Hampton is the employer of a majority of the town's folk I can't even imagine how devastating this is to that town it would totally destroy mine
Not only town but the workers that live out of town. Which the government wants to control if one reads the green papers. Like Cali and the land use in less populated areas where a developer comes in and builds 6 homes with 5 or 10 acres a piece then aggressively starts finding the neighbors miles down the road. Rules of what vehicles you can have ,how many buildings, what animals and plants you can have etc. Like a truck driver couldn't park his truck at his home etc
This needs to land right in the middle of Governor Kotek's desk. Why do people have to continually lose their jobs due to some kind of Oregon State forest plans? If the forests had been managed properly, this kind of thing would not happen and we would have less forest fires. Imagine that!!
It’s almost like we’ve been cutting as much as possible for over a century without considering a balance between environmental concerns and the economy.
Controlled burns prevent forest fires because they take out the underbrush as well. Deforestation just takes the trees and leaves the area at an even greater risk of wildfires.
Federal forests are controlled by the Federal Government ... Republicans control the House, why are you blaming a Democrat governor who has no say over forest management practices ... just curious is all ... Federal lands in Douglas county are WAY OVERDUE for harvest ... what's out there ain't right ... like calling a corn field a native grassland ... I'm a liberal and I want the homeless housed ... sharpen them chainsaws and let's get busy ... "the smell of [sawdust] in the morning" ...
Say all the bs ya want but who buys newspapers or magazines anymore? That used to be a huge buyer from the timber industry. Demand has gone soft for wood.
Only one ideology and party to blame for the decay, crime, violence, and chaos we live with here. Only one. And the voters that keep reelecting it! Put down the koolaid and WTFU!
Quit shipping Unmilled logs to other countries. Those are our jobs and resources. They were paying livable wages. Environmentalists and big Corporations Greed ruin everything for the regular people but don't worry lots of new 711s opening in the last year here in Eugene on the west side with all the fast food with non described ingredients and low paying part time shifts and the 2 or 3 rows of gas pumps...
I lived in Grants Pass, OR for 16 years. I worked for a major electoncs company and my wife worked for the county. When I first moved there, around 1978, 7 lumber/plywood mills were running 24/7. When I left, 1994, only 1 was running 1 shift 5 days a week. Pretty sad what it did to the city and county. Damned spotted oil BS!
It's incredible to me how much wood we're still producing, considering we were still chopping old growth in the early nineties. All those are gone now...
If you had a crop and you had spent years protecting it and cultivating it and the government came along and told you that you had had too stop doing anything and let it die and go away you would be up in arms and mad ! Like many things in this world if you don't remove it it will just die and rot back in too the earth and new growth will natural grow new startes will replace it but it takes a lot of years mother nature's way ! But if you log it and replant it and fertilizer it, thin it or select cut it it becomes a crop of beautiful forest 30 to 40 years you have a beautiful timber crop again !! Case in point the old long bell tract above Grand Ronde was logged off and left , but they left seed tract's and left it too grow but it it was never thinned or select cut and it become stunted growth and 35 years it had too be logged again and was hand planted again and now have a beautiful growth of hybrid Douglas F fir coming back in ! But world goverments and big money and politician and environmental powers wanted to control the economy of the united states so they can control the world, so if you can control the
We're still cutting timber and second growth and third growth because it in the cycles of growth and reproduction ! And production has advanced too a high stakes either log it or lose it, mother nature's way's or let the environmental movement is just the a big lie fed to us in the foruns of propaganda and lies by the new world goverments And the billionaire's club of the world so they can make them more money !
WEF funded policy and legislation!! They want us in boxes. Fight against these policies.💪🏼 You have been doing a good job thus far. Always more regulated laws to end business.
AGREE with your assertions. The soros funded legislators have got to go. Bring sanity back to America. Say NO to ALL WEF / UN sustainable development goals, which are communist in nature.
Democratic environmental protection laws did NOT save California forest from Climate change, disease, insects, fires, drought, floods, etc…….You need balance in the Forest that means thinning out the trees. Use the lumber to build houses. Recycle and Rebuild is the WAY of this World. Houses only last about 50-to-70 years before they need to be rebuilt. Lumber strength does not last forever and needs to be replaced. Wood rots, decays, and drys out and is weakened.
@@rolanddeschain965 Concrete foundations also do not last forever. Soil erosion, earth shifts, contraction and expansion of the soil causes foundations to crack and separate, salt and minerals in the soil cause concrete to decay. Water is the greatest threat to homes. Floods and ice. Termites. Etc also old houses were not built with modem engineering solutions. Bolts, brackets, straps, fasteners. These help keep home together in natural disasters and help save lives.
Cheap enough now to get logs out of state where regulations aren't so tight. The saw mill can be repurposed. But you're talking years down the road after throwing tax credits at another potential buyer/operator.
That is another reason why the railroad from banks to Tillamook no longer has a viable business to reopen and rebuild the line from banks to Tillamook.
If those logs are being exported they're considered private property that the owner can do whatever they want with them. It's otherwise illegal to export logs that were harvested off of Federal land which depending on where you're located on how it affects you. Remember all the wood that blew down after Mt St Helens exploded in 1980?? I know one of the contractors who were involved with that clean up and he mentioned that the owner of that timber, Weyerhaeuser decided to export a lot of it and in fact did export a lot of it. Because that timber was private property they could do with it what they wanted. Where if it had been from a Federal timber sale none of that could be legally exported. I remember there was a lot of controversy at the time about all of that - exporting raw logs. Apparently there still is...
Obviously the mill was the towns biggest employer. A town should never get itself in that position. NOW, the town will have to get into business development mode and find new sources of jobs & taxes. The timber industry has been winding down since the 1980's, the town should have seen this coming, or at least kept their ear to the ground knowing this was a likelihood. !
Kind of reminds me when the town we lived in back in 1980. The City council wanted to Annex my Fathers Trucking compny into the City Limits. So as to take advantage of Additional Taxes. In a meeting a week later my Father's Attorneys let the City coun il know it would be a Very costly mistake. They ignored the Attorneys and cast their Vote. 2 Weeks later Dad closed the location moved all Trucks, Equipment to another location 80 miles away. And Terminated everyone that held a Town Home of Address. In a twist to that, those people were offered their jobs back if they Relocated to the Town in which he moved the Business to. Nearly 85% of those people accepted and moved. Leaving the town of 1200 people to what is still trying to recover. At 160 people.
Is there any way these mills can donate lumber to North Carolina and Tennesee so they can build shelters for those freezing and homeless because of hurrican Helene?
"EARTH FIRST!! We'll clearcut the other planets later." As one who grew up in Logging Country in rural Washington, we might not have quite the problem with Logging dying as an Industry... If there were still some trees left to cut.
Replanting what was cut is not only the law it's why there's still timber harvesting here in Washington going on. Weyerhaeuser and other companies proves that every day in this state where they plant thousands upon thousands of tree seedlings that were sewn and grown in their facilities. And then harvested by their employees and contractors years later. There's plenty of trees and they're on a rotational harvest schedule so there's more trees growing today in our managed forests then at any other time in our history. You just have to go to where they're actually doing it.
Just turn the whole forest into a tree nursery already. A tree nursery where a thriving forest was will never be a replacement for what it has removed for pure greed. Our natural resources are being sold to other countries. For financial gain of Timber Companies 😢😢
Natural Resources exist to be exploited in a business like and sustainable manner. If those timber companies own the timber well then that's a great thing. Yes you've described capitalism very well thank you!!! That's the way America works. It always has been and IT ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!@@stevenroth5424
Perhaps Banks needs to assume control of the mill based on the many years of low or no property taxes paid. Keeping operational personel in place to maintain income stream.
Are you a bot? What are you even talking about? You said homes last for 70 years, I pointed out they used to last far longer at which point you tell me how great modern home construction is. That in your own words don't even last a human lifetime. Wtaf?
Could the workers and community band together and form a worker owned cooperative? Look into mondragon Spain. Top position is capped at twelve times lowest position. Decisions made by committee. Good luck!
They should be going like crazy being a sheet of plywood was 100 bucks and 2x4’s were 30 bucks, what happened did they gouge the consumer not enough or get enviro Nazied to death? You would think the way the consumer got bent over horribly these guys would have needed extra sheds to store the revenue
Don’t worry since the amount of logging is going to diminish at least you can now count on massive forest fires to balance things out. Policies have long term effects.
Not much clear cutting is allowed. Only so much at an area can be clear cutted now. Some clear cut is on land deemed for timber farming. Like corn or bio fuel.
how much would you like to bet that the owners of the mill got a government backed loan to stay open, then paid themselves off handsomely and declared bankruptcy?
Every means of decent employment in our country has been shutting down for decades as wages and cost increase making them uncompetitive with off shore sources! The same citizens that want to buy less expensive goods are the one who end up loosing their jobs! It is a vicious circle. My family does not knew anymore. Our industry along with our jobs went to Asia. Auto works brow beat other Americans for not buying American while they price their vehicle out of reach and they buy less expensive Chinese products that we once provided jobs to those who bout their vehicles. They do not support our jobs so we don’t support their jobs! Fair is fair!
@@clarkelliott5389 When was the last time you saw anyone planting trees on government land? More than likely, right wingers cut re-forestation out of the budget so no new trees have been planted for years.
the unknown migrants would have got their jobs sooner or later better to get it over with now. truck drivers better start looking for another job these unknown migrants get free truck school and everything else you can think .
It fiqures but the state doesn't understand the business. The removal and replanting and all the conservation efforts provides environment for animals and fire prevention. Sighting more lands for nothing but the rich to access and the only tourist seasons is nothing but land takeover. The spotted owl loves medows ,open areas as much as older timber areas. I seen both timber companies do right . The ones that do right and work with the land the wildlife thrives and fire hazard reduced. You are talking about a economical product that supports many other areas not just Banks. Where was the government when they only allowed whole logs to be sold for over seas transport. That was so destructive to all economy and wildlife. The extremes need to stop.
Hopefully our future generations will not rely on corporations to bank their future on. One never knows when a closure could happen. With people using less paper due to emails and other online communications it's not surprising that the number of mills are declining.
Looks like you can not keep taking and taking from a member of your community and not expect them to wash their hands and throw in the towel. Uncle Sam drain another dry!
Living in Washington as a kid, we moved in 59. I recall the big hit to the economy as the mills would shut down. Tacoma was hit very hard. I can think of one way to help though. The lumber companies should stop selling un-milled logs to other countries. I went and looked at the loading of ships leaving the port getting loaded.
I am still in Washington. My ICON is a hydraulic motion controller used to position logs and saws.
My company used to sell 40% to the wood products industry. Now it is less but we sell more overseas. BTW, on a per capita basis. Canada was our best customer until the virus and Trudeau.
Years ago I knew someone who grew up in Valsetz OR. It was a Boise Cascade town. It was closed down. The town no longer exists.
Federal timber hasn’t been exported since 1973, Washington state timber since 1989
Yes agree. During the 70s and 80s whole logs were being shipped. Sold mainly to Japan and China. Even many Islands that use to have trees on them we're sold off by their government. The economy lagged and the high demand from these continents gave high prices. They placed restrictions on finished products and high tariffs. So whole logs were cut and shipped. We started paying higher timber price because less finish product was made here and more shipping here. We have a housing crises now and they want to take all lumber off the market. I always said some day that wood bowl you gave to Goodwill will be worth 500.00. That Washington following California.
The Liberals of Oregon strike again
I worked as a log scaler from the 70’s-90’s. It’s so sad that the timber industry has vanished thru politics and poor management!😢
Bought and paid for to ignore poor management by timber companies. Those companies never cared about the community beyond the money they could extract from them.
Where are Joe Bidens illegal aliens gonna work now?
@@1harrismccarty: hahaha
@@1harrismccartyLocally owners support their communities. The out of states and some Wall street group or big corporations don't. It's the loca ownersl that gets hurt the most.
Well maybe it's time to listen to one of the Grande America haters of all time named Bill Gates who thinks ALL TREES on earth should be felled and then buried to isolate the Co2 that's inside every log. That's EVERY TREE ON EARTH in case you missed what he said. He's already buying prime farmland in the midwest and guess what??? He's not farming any of it either, it's laying fallow for some reason. There's a classic example of his life being to easy. All that money that buys him all that access and all he can do is act like the evil Lex Luthor that people despise and will try endlessly to defeat.
Thin the forest with selective cutting or it will all burn. So called environmentalists in government think a no cut approach works...timber companies want clear cuts to reduce cost. The way is in the middle with sustainable selective cutting not complete bans.
Come up with the statistics to prove your point. All you have to do is look at logging operations and they clearcut. Environmentalists continue to oppose logging of any kind. Show me the acres of selective cutting in the last 5 years in Oregon and I'll show you the massive acreage burned by fires through third growth monoculture same age timber farms, they are not Forests.@@Look_What_You_Did
@Look_What_You_Did Did you listen to the video? Change in state policy: Reduction of timber harvesting from 285 million board feet to 180 million board feet. That's a huge reduction. In addition, selecting thinning is used very successfully in the Piney Woods of East Texas to prevent catastrophic wildfires. Texas is number 2 or 3 in number of wildfires every year, but most can be contained to small amount of acreage. Obviously, there are geography differences, but the premise is proven.
Show me quadrants in Oregon@@allen_p
That's why Jay Inslee is LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH ABOUT FOREST FIRE SMOKE IN THE SUMMERTIME due to forest fires EVERY ONE of which is his fault exclusively?? I've lived here in western Washington for over 60 years and all this smoke every summer is a relatively new appearance and happens due to them no longer burning large slash piles in the wintertime so they wouldn't be burning along with the forest in the summertime. This is not rocket science!! It's called FOREST MANAGEMENT and if you choose not to do that you're choosing NO FOREST MANAGEMENT no matter what these enviro-lunatics call it. We know what works when it comes to forest management and we know what doesn't work as well. And Jay Inslee's method of forest management DOES NOT WORK and never will. Got smoke?? Only if Jay non manages your forests...
Raking and cleaning like Finland does?
Isn't our government wonderful 🖕
Oh man, I lived 2 houses down from the lumber mill growing up -- heard the log trucks all the time, they would even shake the old house sometimes, but we were all used to it as a part of life.
No worries - Oregon’s tent industry is thriving………!!!!!!!
That happened in Dallas, Oregon. The mill was closed in 2009. The other main industry was the plant Caterpillar (Lift Trucks etc). They were the main employers in the small town, so I totally get the shock waves that are happening in Banks. It’s tough!
Pope and Talbot and Hines Lumber Co. Left Oakridge in a mess as well. Some of the problem was the Spotted owl. But they stripped 20 years of timber in just a couple thinking thet would beat the endangered species act. They exported so many raw logs that could have been local milling jobs that it was sickening to see.
Makes sense, once we're all in camps there won't be much need for new housing/lumber
Camps😂🎉
No Hollywood traitor trump won’t win we’re safe
In 2023 the Jr Simplot company announced they were closing the Lathrop CA facility. That plant has been a staple since the 50/60's. 3 different owners. Berry's, oxydental, and Simplot. Though we live in central CA it's still a hit for 200 union and salary employees. I can't imagine a community of 2000+/- losing this. Tears of sadness for all. Stay strong Banks.
I am retired now but I use to automate sawmills. There are far fewer sawmills in the US that there was in 1980 but the ones that are left are much more efficient. What surprises me is the amount of lumber that will be cut down is MUCH less.
In my state, a nick in a log means it has been milled, and it goes to offshore Chinese ~ for nothing. We have sold this nation out - we give them our natural resources, many rot on their decks. And we get cheap plastic. In 1980 they all closed here and we had a soft genocide, people lost homes, and their children are now in tent towns. The overgrown state capital shirkers live in those stolen homes now.
but the same idiot politicians say we need affordable housing , by cutting lumber production
Unless it blows down in a storm or a meteorite hits just right I cannot believe how much timber has burned down in the past 15 years😅
Here where I live we saw this happening years ago. So I left, got seaman’s documents and left.
Get something else in there soon, figure something out, otherwise your town will turn into methlandia.
58 direct jobs lost means a real loss of 116 lost employment opportunities, and that is just the primary employment losses
Don't worry Amazon will put a warehouse there if you pay them to do it.
and use plenty of cardboard boxes. Recycled ones of course.
When we are all starving and freezin to death, how much will the spotted owl mean at that point??
Do you really think this is about the spotted owl?
@@barbaraallen7164I love spotted owls and think they should for sure be well conserved. I'll bet if a human carnivore was starving that they would taste as good as chicken........
Wonderful now we can lose the whole forest next fire season
Or you can get a rake and gather all the leaves.
@@id10t98It's not just leaves that lead to catastrophic wildfires.
@@allen_p the former POTUS orange mussolini said Norway doesnt have wildfires because they rake the forests of leaves.
i was trying to make a funny haha
Keep voting Democrat. Reap the rewards of failed policies.
Washington Co. voted 65% dem…. I’m willing to bet a majority of these mill workers fall in to the other 35%
Exactly they rather hug them than saw them
So cutting down trees faster than they can grow was a Democrat policy? Please, elaborate on this conspiracy...
Always blaming Democrats for your issues. Why not take some personal responsibiility for the state of your community? There are plenty of small towns that got with the times.
@jarethgar wake up dipshit
Sorry for the locals to see their lives upended, it's a heads-up for everybody --- I worked on the green chain at Harris Pine Mill in Pendleton, OR in 1965...retrained and moved on,. HPM closed down in 1986.
Towns built on one company will always fail. Look out all the dead towns in Appalachia.
I know when you are born here in the mts of wv its coal mines moonshine or move on down the line no other jobs no adapting not mining jobs left
I live in a different town that sounds almost exactly like this one sub 2000 population and Hampton is the employer of a majority of the town's folk I can't even imagine how devastating this is to that town it would totally destroy mine
Not only town but the workers that live out of town. Which the government wants to control if one reads the green papers. Like Cali and the land use in less populated areas where a developer comes in and builds 6 homes with 5 or 10 acres a piece then aggressively starts finding the neighbors miles down the road. Rules of what vehicles you can have ,how many buildings, what animals and plants you can have etc. Like a truck driver couldn't park his truck at his home etc
This needs to land right in the middle of Governor Kotek's desk. Why do people have to continually lose their jobs due to some kind of Oregon State forest plans? If the forests had been managed properly, this kind of thing would not happen and we would have less forest fires. Imagine that!!
It’s almost like we’ve been cutting as much as possible for over a century without considering a balance between environmental concerns and the economy.
Controlled burns prevent forest fires because they take out the underbrush as well. Deforestation just takes the trees and leaves the area at an even greater risk of wildfires.
Manage millions of square acres of natural forests? 😂
Federal forests are controlled by the Federal Government ... Republicans control the House, why are you blaming a Democrat governor who has no say over forest management practices ... just curious is all ... Federal lands in Douglas county are WAY OVERDUE for harvest ... what's out there ain't right ... like calling a corn field a native grassland ... I'm a liberal and I want the homeless housed ... sharpen them chainsaws and let's get busy ... "the smell of [sawdust] in the morning" ...
Stopping ARSONIST would be nice.
Just goes to show you cant put all your eggs in one basket!
Say all the bs ya want but who buys newspapers or magazines anymore? That used to be a huge buyer from the timber industry. Demand has gone soft for wood.
Only one ideology and party to blame for the decay, crime, violence, and chaos we live with here. Only one. And the voters that keep reelecting it! Put down the koolaid and WTFU!
So an ideology stops trees from growing fast enough to become marketable timber? Is that a Trump University degree you have?
They have 5 mills in Washington state and only this one is shutting down. Makes you wonder about their excuse for closing this plant down.
They don't have there own timber and have to use crown to run your business you won't be in business very long.
but things are great------- all across the country. thats what the local news says from washington dc.
Quit shipping Unmilled logs to other countries. Those are our jobs and resources. They were paying livable wages. Environmentalists and big Corporations Greed ruin everything for the regular people but don't worry lots of new 711s opening in the last year here in Eugene on the west side with all the fast food with non described ingredients and low paying part time shifts and the 2 or 3 rows of gas pumps...
I guess the humans can now just live with the birds , because low cost lumber and affordable houses are a thing of the past
lol
Might start seeing cement brick and steel homes
I lived in Grants Pass, OR for 16 years.
I worked for a major electoncs company and my wife worked for the county.
When I first moved there, around 1978, 7 lumber/plywood mills were running 24/7.
When I left, 1994, only 1 was running 1 shift 5 days a week.
Pretty sad what it did to the city and county.
Damned spotted oil BS!
The Federal government is “protecting” two birds and giving we humans “the bird”! SloJoe’s “Administration”.
It's incredible to me how much wood we're still producing, considering we were still chopping old growth in the early nineties. All those are gone now...
Well that's patently untrue.
@@farmerbill6855 Tell it to Prineville Oregon
If you had a crop and you had spent years protecting it and cultivating it and the government came along and told you that you had had too stop doing anything and let it die and go away you would be up in arms and mad ! Like many things in this world if you don't remove it it will just die and rot back in too the earth and new growth will natural grow new startes will replace it but it takes a lot of years mother nature's way ! But if you log it and replant it and fertilizer it, thin it or select cut it it becomes a crop of beautiful forest 30 to 40 years you have a beautiful timber crop again !! Case in point the old long bell tract above Grand Ronde was logged off and left , but they left seed tract's and left it too grow but it it was never thinned or select cut and it become stunted growth and 35 years it had too be logged again and was hand planted again and now have a beautiful growth of hybrid Douglas F fir coming back in ! But world goverments and big money and politician and environmental powers wanted to control the economy of the united states so they can control the world, so if you can control the
We're still cutting timber and second growth and third growth because it in the cycles of growth and reproduction ! And production has advanced too a high stakes either log it or lose it, mother nature's way's or let the environmental movement is just the a big lie fed to us in the foruns of propaganda and lies by the new world goverments And the billionaire's club of the world so they can make them more money !
WEF funded policy and legislation!! They want us in boxes. Fight against these policies.💪🏼 You have been doing a good job thus far. Always more regulated laws to end business.
AGREE with your assertions. The soros funded legislators have got to go. Bring sanity back to America. Say NO to ALL WEF / UN sustainable development goals, which are communist in nature.
Care to buy a bridge? 😂
“Trickle down effects from water usage”. No pun intended!
Democratic environmental protection laws did NOT save California forest from Climate change, disease, insects, fires, drought, floods, etc…….You need balance in the Forest that means thinning out the trees. Use the lumber to build houses. Recycle and Rebuild is the WAY of this World. Houses only last about 50-to-70 years before they need to be rebuilt. Lumber strength does not last forever and needs to be replaced. Wood rots, decays, and drys out and is weakened.
I live in a 297 year old wood frame house in New England. And there are thousands just like it. Why do houses only last 50 to 70 years?
@@rolanddeschain965 Concrete foundations also do not last forever. Soil erosion, earth shifts, contraction and expansion of the soil causes foundations to crack and separate, salt and minerals in the soil cause concrete to decay. Water is the greatest threat to homes. Floods and ice. Termites. Etc also old houses were not built with modem engineering solutions. Bolts, brackets, straps, fasteners. These help keep home together in natural disasters and help save lives.
How dare you confuse liberals with facts ..
@@banjobenson9348swallow a fat glizzy whole 😮
Cheap enough now to get logs out of state where regulations aren't so tight. The saw mill can be repurposed. But you're talking years down the road after throwing tax credits at another potential buyer/operator.
care more about an owl, than people.
Owls don't have an agenda, and the need to manipulate each other for a bigger payday....so yeah.
....and how will this affect the Portland and Western Railroad?
That is another reason why the railroad from banks to Tillamook no longer has a viable business to reopen and rebuild the line from banks to Tillamook.
Collapse...... Builds character.
Another ghost town...
It's cheaper to ship the logs to China to be milled. I've seen the logging trucks on the highways headed to the ports.
I've heard stories of logs being milled at sea on factory ships.
Then returned and sold here.
If those logs are being exported they're considered private property that the owner can do whatever they want with them. It's otherwise illegal to export logs that were harvested off of Federal land which depending on where you're located on how it affects you. Remember all the wood that blew down after Mt St Helens exploded in 1980?? I know one of the contractors who were involved with that clean up and he mentioned that the owner of that timber, Weyerhaeuser decided to export a lot of it and in fact did export a lot of it. Because that timber was private property they could do with it what they wanted. Where if it had been from a Federal timber sale none of that could be legally exported. I remember there was a lot of controversy at the time about all of that - exporting raw logs. Apparently there still is...
Yep this is the age of America Last.
Sad to see this. I lived in Coos Bay, it became a ghost town after the mill shut down.😕
Building a house or garage using Home Depot lumber terrifies me
Obviously the mill was the towns biggest employer. A town should never get itself in that position.
NOW, the town will have to get into business development mode and find new sources of jobs &
taxes. The timber industry has been winding down since the 1980's, the town should have seen this
coming, or at least kept their ear to the ground knowing this was a likelihood.
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What an idiotic response. There's ghost towns all over the US, this will be another one.
Vote crazy get crazy.
FJB..
That "city leader" looks like someone that would get caught off guard. Probably too lazy to get off her office chair and meet industry operators.
Kind of reminds me when the town we lived in back in 1980. The City council wanted to Annex my Fathers Trucking compny into the City Limits. So as to take advantage of Additional Taxes. In a meeting a week later my Father's Attorneys let the City coun il know it would be a Very costly mistake. They ignored the Attorneys and cast their Vote. 2 Weeks later Dad closed the location moved all Trucks, Equipment to another location 80 miles away. And Terminated everyone that held a Town Home of Address. In a twist to that, those people were offered their jobs back if they Relocated to the Town in which he moved the Business to. Nearly 85% of those people accepted and moved. Leaving the town of 1200 people to what is still trying to recover. At 160 people.
Maybe the timber industry can STOP the processing/milling timber in CHINA! Bring that work home.
Is there any way these mills can donate lumber to North Carolina and Tennesee so they can build shelters for those freezing and homeless because of hurrican Helene?
It’s been 51 years since I had a date in Banks…. There have been rumors of the Mill closing then.
It was a good meal at that girls parents.
I predict a million new homes and apartments. Goodbye old Oregon
Thanks Joe!
Welcome to Mr. Bumbles America. And don't forget klaus and his Great reset, you know "build back better"
Get ready for property taxes to skyrocket. Sad!
Maybe america should have diversified instead of running a loser, and giving their decent jobs away to foreign nations.
I wouldn't past our government buying these places just to see them close
How about the mayor think outside the box for other means for the city. Companies have no loyalty to any city or state except their bottom line.
You get what you vote for sadly
Poor people lose again
Vote Red people
Or American have no jobs
You can thank your Politicians' especially your Governor!
"EARTH FIRST!! We'll clearcut the other planets later."
As one who grew up in Logging Country in rural Washington, we might not have quite the problem with Logging dying as an Industry...
If there were still some trees left to cut.
Replanting what was cut is not only the law it's why there's still timber harvesting here in Washington going on. Weyerhaeuser and other companies proves that every day in this state where they plant thousands upon thousands of tree seedlings that were sewn and grown in their facilities. And then harvested by their employees and contractors years later. There's plenty of trees and they're on a rotational harvest schedule so there's more trees growing today in our managed forests then at any other time in our history. You just have to go to where they're actually doing it.
Just turn the whole forest into a tree nursery already.
A tree nursery where a thriving forest was will never be a replacement for what it has removed for pure greed.
Our natural resources are being sold to other countries.
For financial gain of Timber Companies 😢😢
Natural Resources exist to be exploited in a business like and sustainable manner. If those timber companies own the timber well then that's a great thing. Yes you've described capitalism very well thank you!!! That's the way America works. It always has been and IT ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!@@stevenroth5424
Plan B?
Perhaps Banks needs to assume control of the mill based on the many years of
low or no property taxes paid.
Keeping operational personel
in place to maintain income
stream.
Are you a bot? What are you even talking about? You said homes last for 70 years, I pointed out they used to last far longer at which point you tell me how great modern home construction is. That in your own words don't even last a human lifetime. Wtaf?
Keep voting democrat
So voting Democrat stops trees from growing faster?
Ghost town incoming
Fallout from the housing downturn
I would blame the tree huggers.
Keep voting in democrats.
Marsha ooooh what a beauty, a ton of fun
Mills are a thing of the past as oregon is! My family worked in the lumber industry for almost a hundred years
A shocker eh!! In canada we lost 30 pulpmills and 100 sawmills minimum. And guess what. We export logs to japan and china and USA STILL!!!
That Dang owl again...
This all started back in the late 70s with the spotted owl, no surprise.
Could the workers and community band together and form a worker owned cooperative? Look into mondragon Spain. Top position is capped at twelve times lowest position. Decisions made by committee. Good luck!
They should be going like crazy being a sheet of plywood was 100 bucks and 2x4’s were 30 bucks, what happened did they gouge the consumer not enough or get enviro Nazied to death?
You would think the way the consumer got bent over horribly these guys would have needed extra sheds to store the revenue
Good job inslee.
This is Oregon mongo
Don’t worry since the amount of logging is going to diminish at least you can now count on massive forest fires to balance things out. Policies have long term effects.
It takes years to grow a forest into marketable timber. It takes just weeks to clear cut it away. This isnt a new thing, it's just the way things are.
Not much clear cutting is allowed. Only so much at an area can be clear cutted now. Some clear cut is on land deemed for timber farming. Like corn or bio fuel.
Good thing ODOT built a freeway to Portland ... you've been a bedroom community, now it's official ...
Liberals hate saw mills
No, we hate trees that dont grow fast enough to become marketable timber.
There a worthless breed! Fcktards everywhere
how much would you like to bet that the owners of the mill got a government backed loan to stay open, then paid themselves off handsomely and declared bankruptcy?
Environmentalists are happy that trees will no longer be murdered. We can build our homes will old plastic bottles and spit.
There are other building materials besides lumber.
We all will be living in tents anyway. Wont need any lumber.
Every means of decent employment in our country has been shutting down for decades as wages and cost increase making them uncompetitive with off shore sources! The same citizens that want to buy less expensive goods are the one who end up loosing their jobs! It is a vicious circle. My family does not knew anymore. Our industry along with our jobs went to Asia. Auto works brow beat other Americans for not buying American while they price their vehicle out of reach and they buy less expensive Chinese products that we once provided jobs to those who bout their vehicles. They do not support our jobs so we don’t support their jobs! Fair is fair!
Oh no not in the lurch!
Some really cheap houses in Banks .. driven through a few times.. pretty cute town.. breath taking views around there too.
Elections have consequences, don't they.
Tress not growing fast enough to produce marketable timber has consequences, doesnt it?
@@id10t98 Did they quit planting them? (I imagine the fires burn up more trees than they harvest.)
@@clarkelliott5389 When was the last time you saw anyone planting trees on government land? More than likely, right wingers cut re-forestation out of the budget so no new trees have been planted for years.
the unknown migrants would have got their jobs sooner or later better to get it over with now. truck drivers better start looking for another job these unknown migrants get free truck school and everything else you can think .
It fiqures but the state doesn't understand the business. The removal and replanting and all the conservation efforts provides environment for animals and fire prevention. Sighting more lands for nothing but the rich to access and the only tourist seasons is nothing but land takeover. The spotted owl loves medows ,open areas as much as older timber areas. I seen both timber companies do right . The ones that do right and work with the land the wildlife thrives and fire hazard reduced. You are talking about a economical product that supports many other areas not just Banks. Where was the government when they only allowed whole logs to be sold for over seas transport. That was so destructive to all economy and wildlife. The extremes need to stop.
Hopefully our future generations will not rely on corporations to bank their future on. One never knows when a closure could happen.
With people using less paper due to emails and other online communications it's not surprising that the number of mills are declining.
I live in banks 💀💀
Looks like you can not keep taking and taking from a member of your community and not expect them to wash their hands and throw in the towel. Uncle Sam drain another dry!
So get creative and adapt. Nothing lasts forever and private businesses have been squandering public resources to enrich themselves for far too long.
YOU VOTED THESE PEOPLE IN,ENJOY.😂
Someone needs to make and deposit a promissory note in a special securities account and put the lumber produced into the lumber bank.
Thank liberals for this.
More jobs overseas.
KGW channel
We have an housing crises.. lumber already soared now this. I would not be surprised the Green deal has influenced this new deal.
Your government at work protecting your best interest. LOL