Trench Fire Vs Ground Fire, Which Is Better?
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- No matter if its camping hiking bushcraft or survival, we all use campfires. Most fires for cooking or warmth are on the ground. Some dig an oblong trench for the wood or what's also known as a trench fire. What are the advantages of both? Which is better? Lets compare the two and find out.
I enjoyed the comparison of a trench fire versus a ground fire. It made me think of say, if you were in peril, or a survival situation, or cold and wet, it would be very helpful to know this information. Dave, you do great explaining the differences in the two methods. I am grateful you like to make these videos and have put together quite the library.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it Robin. I showed what I could be There's no telling how deep this subject could go on the uses and advantages of these fire types. Take care and thanks for watching
Who'd you rob Christmas from, Santa? 🤣
Very nice video… I really enjoy learning from you !!
Wow! You worked really hard to keep this as fair and as even as possible on this one Dave. The trench did a really nice of retaining the heat and I imagine you would have gotten a boil pretty quickly if you fed it a bit more, but I understand because you were keeping it even with the open fire method. This actually turned out the way I anticipated. Several years ago, my Greek neighbor were trying to roast a lamb over a spit for Easter Sunday. He was using the open fire method and he was having a hard time cooking the lamb & asked for help. So, I added a few concrete blocks on either side of the fire to help radiate the heat and you hear the meat start crackling right away. This kinda reminded me of your video a while back where you made a walled camp with some blankets and the trapped air kept you really warm. Nice one brother!
Yep, I tried to make it a fair comparison. It definitely wouldn't have been fair if I kept feeding one fire. Thats awesome you helped the neighbor out with them concrete barriers! A lot of folks have shielded cooking fire but once you have walled in a campsite? You'll be shocked at the warmth kept in that little micro climate. Thanks for sharing that experience and Thanks for watching
In my opinion the Trench Fire is Directing the Fire straight up more when the Ground Fire Spreads out. The directing of fire is what i said before you said it. Enjoyed it Dave
We think alike for you to have noticed that! Thanks for watching Chuck
I always found the X fire the best all around fire arrangement. That is, cutting a x shaped trench with a fire pit in the middle. No matter the wind direction or even shifting winds or no wind it all it feeds the fire. A ring shaped rock placement around the center pit keeps things tidy and contained with rock bridges over each of the four trenches for air flow.
Sounds good to me. That'll harness the wind no matter which direction it's blowing
I've always used a keyhole fire pit,or a keyhole lined with stones. It seems to me that the walls direct the heat,directly to what you place on top. Cheers, love your videos
Very good usage by lining one with stones. Those definitely hold warmth longer. Thanks for watching
Not sure what a "keyhole fire pit" is. We kids were always instructed to clear flammables away (about 4ft radius) from our fire ring. The ring was, usually, rocks, but, dirt excavated around where fire to be built in a ring (our scout master insistent about such).
To deal with uneven or sloped ground, I used a trench type. Wanted the flat spot for my shelter and could get heat reflected into shelter.
If just me or a buddy, we, usually made some variation on the trench fire
@@andypanda4927 A keyhole fire it looks like an old keyhole with a large circular pit and a smaller rectangle shape off the circle. The idea is to make a fire and generate coals in the circle and then push the coals into the rectangle to cook on. You can easily control the temp of your cooking by adding/removing coals and the smaller rectangle is good for a grill. It is cool, but it seems better suited to an extended camp.
@@elgoogsucks9005 Another advantage to the keyhole firepit is you dont have to crosscut your logs, i usually just cut standing dead trees that will fit the trench part and feed it into the fire, as one end burns you just keep feeding it through, you just cant leave it unattended in case it burns up the length instead of through the log.
I like the comparison. I would love to try that egg nog coffee too. I never tried trench fires before, this video has conviced me I need to give them a try. And thanks for always reminding us to be careful with the trees.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. This coffee surprised me, it was really good! Definitely try the trench fire, you'll be surprised. Take care and thanks for watching
I love it when you come up with these experiments. We all learn from them. I love your sense of humor. Thanks. I have to admit that I cannot imagine drinking coffee that tastes like that. This was fun. I do miss Nick. Have a terrific day Dave!!
Thanks Dianna, Im glad you liked it. Sometimes the best experiments come from things we have know about for years. We just have to ask, why do we do it this way? Nick works as much as I do now so its very tough to get together to film now. Take care and Thanks for watching
Always learn something from your videos, thanks for the content. Another awesome presentation.
Fantastic to hear that Roger and thanks for watching
I like that shirt. Thanks for the video Dave. Good point about the high wind blowing around sparks. This time of year it's very important to know where your sparks could ignite the dry leaves.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Good point, high winds and fire never end well!
Dave, thanks for another interesting bushcraft science experiment. I learn something every time. I wouldn't worry about filming by yourself, the quality of the videos is still good. ;)
You are very welcome and I'm glad you learn from me! I can film solo but I sure like the back and forth talking with Nick. Thanks for watching my friend
I was tripping on how your gimbal kept panning on its own😆I noticed for the wood, the higher the dryer. Most the moisture is at the forest floor. I like the in ground rocket stove. While it gets super hot, it requires more fuel. Great fun. Ya didn’t look too cold out there.🐸🍺🔪🔥
Lol, it's a fluid head tripod. Moves very smoothly and slowly if not locked in. I like rocket stoves for water but often times for cooking I'll need room for 2 to 3 pots n pans. Thanks for watching Johnny
Hey Dave, This is Doc Tom; I'm using my youtube channel account instead of my personal account. I have to tell you that I enjoy these. kinds of videos where you're either telling a story or going over a simple experiment in the wilderness. In any case, I think your analysis was spot on- It all has to do with efficiency in burning and directed radiance. I would also assume that you were some distance above sea level where you were, not that it would have made much difference. I hope to see a couple more of your vids before Christmas... Nice job, as usual.
Hello Doc! I never knew you had this other channel, very interesting. I love doing these comparison type videos with common well known processes. I like to see why we choose how we do things. Always great to hear from you and thanks for watching
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Dave, I'm hooked on your channel because I admire your practicality and innovation. Your Georgia accent is cool, too! I just started my podcast, but if you have the time to listen to some of the episodes, you'll understand why I love our country and the wilderness. I'm looking for time to think with no interruptions. Tell your brother and son to get back to the woods!
@@thelibertybriefpodcast258 Thank you Tom! And I'll have a listen brother
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Thanks, Dave; I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I enjoy yours!
Another great video, as a former Scout Master (1980's) I think your videos would be good training for Boy Scouts. Especially the ones on Shelter Building, Fire starting, saws, & proper use of axes & knives. I liked your use of the Military Shovel (entrenching tool) in this video, I dug many a Foxhole with one. Thank you for sharing these skills with us.
Thanks, Im glad you liked it and thats fantastic to hear! Its seems the scouts have backed off from a lot of real outdoors skills thats centered in surviving. More like camping near the car and road where its safe. I was a scout leader around the 2007 era. Thanks for watching
Good comparisons Dave. I like the trench fire because it’s a bit more safe when things are dry. I drink my coffee black in the field. I don’t like that flavored stuff. You take care. 😊
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it Quinn. I usually like normal coffee but I'll occasionally try some weird flavored coffee just out of curiosity
Good info David. I believe I am now convinced the trench fire will give off hotter more direct heat than the ground,but will also burn more fuel.Thanks for your effort and analysis brother.
Absolutely, it's a win win very efficient fire. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching Randy
I think the trench fire is acting almost like a rocket stove. The walls on the three sides trap more of the heat in the area of the fire, using up the oxygen and continuously pulling more in, increasing the temperature and burning the wood more efficiently.
Dave, your vids are just super enjoyable! Your on-screen joy & enthusiasm are genuine and non-fakeable, and wind up being very informative! Please keep teaching, there's a dearth of good material out here!
In future, if Nick & co. can help, you might want to add the Dakota pit fire to your mix?! In my "hiking in" days, I always found myself gravitating to it, as a safe and efficient choice, especially when wind or woods conditions were dangerous. Thanks & happy trails, RC
Thanks Roy, I'm glad you like the way I do things. You probably missed it but around 7 or 8 years ago I make a shelter based on a Dakota pit fire. Ive used them a few times since then but not on video. Take care and thanks for watching my friend
It seems that the wind takes a lot of the fire and heat away from what you have over the open fire as well as reducing the temperature from the fire itself. In the trench the walls work as protection from the crosswind and contain the heat more where you want it.
So I think that if you want to use the open fire you should give it some kind of a wind break so you get the airflow only where you want it (as much as possible).
Still yet another great video.
Thanks again Dave. 👍
Good points! Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching!
A very interesting comparison with surprising results. Thank you for making this video Dave. As always, very entertaining and informative. All the best to you and yours. -Steve, Ohio
Thanks Steve, I'm glad you liked it. I gotta say, I was very surprised myself! Take care and thanks for watching
Birds literally just eat, travel, and sh# on things they don't like. I don't know about you, but that's the lifestyle I'm striving for. Thanks Dave. Much fun in the ❄️ woods👍
Sounds like a fun carefree life! Thanks for watching
Dave … Another excellent video!!! I have pretty much gone exclusively to the trench fire since I was twelve in Boy Scouts. If I am cowboy cooking … well, that’s different, but when I do my solo adventures, it is always a trench fire. I discovered what you discovered about trench fires in 1967. A well regulated trench fire makes EXCELLENT pancakes!!! Sausage and hot chocolate and you have breakfast!!! Now, of course, it’s coffee or tea, but whatever way you roll, it’s just good. Bub, you did an outstanding job on this video. Me and mine wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and the happiest of New Years!!! Take care, be safe and God bless!!! Chuck Knight from Buffalo, Texas. 👨🌾✝️🙏🖖☃️
Thanks Chuck! I'm glad you liked it! I've used trench fires in the past but never paid attention to wood usage or time to cook. Head to head, same wood, same water amount I'm impressed! I hope you have a Merry Christmas and may God bless you too brother
More videos like this please. These r the videos that this community needs. Not a video selling the next new thing but videos spreading knowledge
Im glad you liked it. and I agree! Anyone can be sold gear, we need to understand how to use the gear and the processes involved. Thanks for watching
Another point worth mentioning regarding trench fires is how it's lower profile. If visibility and stealth is an issue then a properly constructed trench fire can be much less visible, and reduce risk of being revealed. Keeping it small, using fuel that is dry, etc, can give you warmth, and a hot meal depending on your situation when you need it.
Very good point Len!
There is nothing mundane about bushcrafting, nothing mundane about this fire comparison. Love these kinds of videos, Dave! Love your curiosity, and love your experiments!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it! I love experimenting with these things
That beautiful sound of “boil” puts a smile on my face every time! I really enjoy your videos! Thanks
Same here! That boiling sounds like success! Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
Great video! Seems like the trench fire beats the ground fire even when it's running backwards. For a slower cook time, dig a slightly longer trench and set the pot on indirect heat on the downwind side, or you could rake coals along the trench to set your precision heat level ...
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. Yep, the method you mentioned is great for simmering or just keeping food warm. Thanks for watching
You are a true legend. I have been following you for many years now. Thank you for all the knowledge and artistry you have given us over the years. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and our family. Much love from Finland.
Thank you! I wished I was a legend, For now Im just a youtuber. Lol. , Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and a Merry Christmas to you too!
Good comparison, Dave. Maybe if the pot was a little closer to the ground fire you might have gotten some more favorable results. Whenever I used to go camping on a semi regular basis I always dug a pit for my fire. More as a safety precaution than any knowledge about concentration of heat. Hope Nick is doing well at his new job. Miss seeing him sharing time with you in the boonies.
Thanks James, I'm glad you liked it. Normally I'll stack wood all the way up to the pot with that wire stand. That amount usually gets a boil but I limited it for both fires to see what happens. Nick says Heeyoo and thanks for watching brother
Thanks for the video. You were one of the few content creators that I binge watched during the 2020 covid lockdowns. Watched a lot of the old ones and saw Nick grow up. Thanks again, and keep them coming!
You are very welcome Marcus and I'm glad you liked the videos!
I gotta respect your videos... You actually test everything in the field and give an honest analysis. 100% respect. I actually had a conversation about your channel with a guy at GI depot. Lol. He was recommending your channel to me but I was already subscribed to you. Lol. Respect from Tennessee...
Thanks Josh, Im glad you like the way I do things. Man thats awesome someone you talked to knew about me! In my 12 years on UA-cam Ive been recognized when out in public like less that five times! Thanks for watching
@@Reallybigmonkey1 just know that what you do is appreciated... Thanks
Excellent! We would spend 9 weeks at a time in the woods patrolling Czech border. We were in a group but slept minimal as possible. Summer mostly just a poncho on the ground. Cool -sleeping bag. Cold - air mattress. Rain or snow - shelter half. Gets down to minimizing effort over the long haul. C-rations for food.
Enjoy your videos. They are real, wish everyone could experience it. It makes one appreciate life and nature.
Thank you Larry! I can easily see all the set ups but in the summer were there not a lot of bugs or ants? Around here in the summer you have to be in a hammock or raised bed due to creepy crawlies. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching Larry
I'm with you. I live in Virginia.
I like that fire gadget! I like the length of it so you don’t burn your hand!
I'm glad you liked it! So far it's been very handy
You truly know how to have fun in the woods by yourself. Your an inspiration. 😊
Thanks!
Hello from Oklahoma! Good Video! There are pros and cons to any fire lay for sure. When I was a young man back in the 70's my uncle showed me a keyhole fire lay. Basically, a trench with a pit connected. We would use our shovel to put coals in the trench and have the fire in the pit. I Still use this fire lay today at deer camp, I'm 63 now. Just a bone to chew on maybe for a future video. Thanks for all U do! God Bless!
Hello from Georgia and Im glad you liked it. The keyhole fire is indeed very handy. Ive used it a few times myself. Thanks for watching and may god bless you too
Great video, Dave. I feel your pain of having to video without Nick or your brother. Time with family is sooo important. Cherish the times you do get with Nick especially. You two have a great relationship, and you’re both better men because of it.
Burning wood more in the trench fire means a higher BTU output to heat the pot’s contents. Of course, more work to keep it going, but quicker cooking.
Please keep up your outdoor activities. They’re priceless in my eyes.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it McCoy. I agree with your assessment of the fire. Thanks for watching and a Merry Christmas to you too!
Very cool Dave. I liked watching you fiddle around on the forest floor. Your bent wire pot stand is simple and light weight. I like that a lot for backpacking. Being a firebug myself I like how the trench fire produces heat really fast. Great job Dave !
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. The real beauty of that wire stand is its bent, not welded so anyone can make one. Thanks for watching
An enjoyable video.
The long fire or trench fire is usually the better option for most occasions, depending on ground conditions.
The pot stand does what it says, it holds one pot.
The grate that you used for the trench fire would hold more than one pot. Far more efficient if preparing a meal for more than one person. If you were setting up camp, the trench fire when ran parallel with your tent pitch can be extended and built up above ground level to provide a more even heat rather than a blazing pile of wood.
Thank you for the upload.
Cheers!
Thanks, Im glad you liked it and your comments are spot on! Thanks for watching
Thanks for the video Dave. I found this a very interesting comparison. I think it was pretty fair test in terms of the two fires. Also, I don't need the toilet paper to know which way the wind will blow. I know that the wind will always blow the smoke towards me! 😂
You are very welcome Ian and Im glad you liked it. Lol, smoke follows beauty they say! Thanks for watching
ty from w australia. 37 c here, dry wood and sandy ground.
trench fire was great. with clay and wood liner could be how a forge was first made.
toilet paper is a great tip. thx again, keeps my feet on the ground
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it all my life
Thank you for this video.
The relative performances are not a question of oxygen regulation. Here is what happened: As the fire in the trench burned, it radiated heat to the sides of the trench. The sides of the trench then began to radiate heat back at the burning wood. The wood then burned faster. The wood in the ground fire, by contrast, saw its heat radiate outward with essentially none being re-radiated back to the burning wood. Therefore, the ground fire burned more slowly.
Look carefully at the two fires. Notice that the trench fire burned more evenly while the ground fire burned more "in the middle."
Each fire got about all the oxygen it wanted.
Everything radiates heat. Yes, even an ice cube. Even a block of dry ice. Even a beaker of liquid nitrogen.
Very well said! That makes it like the trench fire is essentially being a woodgas burner. Thanks for the comments and Thanks for watching
You may never see this. I can say I've never disliked any video. Love your videos, so great, and always learn something.
I see this and thanks! I'm glad you like the videos that much!
I think the biggest difference between the two fires is the trench fire contains the heat, a little bit more to the pot than the above ground campfire, which allows the heat to blow whatever which way the wind blows but clearly interesting to watch. Keep up the good work love the show.
Very well said Mike and Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
In the UK, there aren't too many places to camp and get a small fire going, so, I have recently wondered if a small trench-fire is a good, efficient way to go. It's extra effort, but you can also use it again once it's dug too, if you're staying overnight. Nice work.
Thanks for testing this out.
Yes its work but just like you said, if you'll be reusing the same campsite it's well worth the effort to dig. Thanks for watching Joel
Great review. It makes sense that the trench would retain the heat more and keep it around the pot and the wind would funnel into the trench which would also make it hotter like a blacksmith blows air into the fire to make it hotter. Yeah, My grandpa and uncles would sit under a big shady oak tree every afternoon to stay cool on a 100 degree day in Tennessee on top of a mountain and drink scalding black coffee that would blister your lips and was thick as tar and gripe about how hot it was outside and wonder why they were sweating like pigs sitting in the shade. Wouldn't ice tea make more sense. Lol !!!! Those were the good old days, Keep up the great videos. Love watching them.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. Lol, I used to work with some old guys that drank hot coffee in the summer to "cool off" I asked what nutty Logic that was based on and they said if it's hot and you drink something cold your body has to work to create heat for absorption. Drink something hot and it's settles in your stomach at internal temperature levels. That didn't convince me. Lol
For people who can't be there, these videos are good. These details are also nice to learn, thanks again. I think I heard you say you were a machinist in another video. I have a fully equipped machine shop also and I love making stuff for bushcraft as a hobby we come up with some winners sometimes I guess. I like some of the stuff you've done. I'd like to send you a couple things, nothing to write home about I just made a couple pieces to condense items in my pack, an aluminum tube with screw on ends that keeps string duck tape scissers and a bunch of stuff, almost all loose items I might be carrying . after I though I had something usable I made a bunch and just give them to friends
Thanks, Im glad you liked it Danny and since youre a machinist we definitely think alike! Are you on Instagram? Thats where I get most of my private messages. Thanks for watching
Thanks Dave, always fun in the woods with you
I'm glad you liked it! It's absolutely always about fun! Thanks for watching
Just a quick "Hey there". I sometimes just enjoy the peace and quiet of being alone in the woods (probably not so much fun when you are filming!). Thanks for all of your hard work. Blessings Dave
You know me well! Making a video definitely adds work and seems like a job. With no camera it's very relaxing! Take care and thanks for watching Granny
Your end conclusion analysis is spot on for me! Great video Sir!
Thank you my friend!
You're a good man Dave. Thanks for all you do.
You are very welcome and I'm glad you like the videos my friend!
That was an interesting experiment. I like the different use cases, simmer versus higher heat for boiling.
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. Yep, different fires definitely have different uses just by how they burn. Thanks for watching
I can truly appreciate the trouble you go through to have things match, so the comparison is more fair. Thanks Dave! Hava Merry Christmas!
Thank you Tressa and I hope you have a very Merry Christmas too!
Thanks for filming Dave! 👍😁
Thanks for watching my friend
Hey! Seeing another video from you just made my Friday! We missed you, Dave. Very cool comparison between the types of fires. Thinking about the red Georgia clay and it's ability to be molded so well, I supposed you could dig or scrape it up from one area to build it up in your fire area, so as to possibly avoid setting any roots afire underground or at least minimize the risk of it? I know you can hardly grow anything in it, so it's just gotta be good for something, haha! Great video! Thanks for all you do! BTW, Kennesaw IS probably one of the best towns Georgia has to offer...
P.S. Glad to see you using that enormous MOLLE II ruck again. People seem to not like them so much anymore, but they are really great when you have to transport larger or longer items. I'll usually grab that one over the others when I need to carry tarp poles and such. Take care, bub!
Always great to hear from you! Red clay is messy but very handy. Years ago we had a favorite spot we visited every weekend. We brought full sizes shovels and but a clay oven there by the creek. We cooked fish over that clay oven for several months! Kennesaw is probably my favorite place on earth. Take care and thanks for watching
I usually match my pack size to the trip but for huge loads I'm going with my trusty Molle 2 Ruck!
Thanks Dave. You & the FAMILY have a great Holidays. TAKE CARE..
Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and y'all have a good holiday too!
I'm spending my Friday night watching Dave eggnog coffee trench fire experiment in the woods. I love your laugh. The way you film, it feels like being there with you. This gal needs her cream and sugar. I lol about the old men at work wanting their coffee jet black. I can't imagine juicy fruit flavored coffee.
Thanks, Im glad you spent time with ole Dave! Funny how the mind works, when I am at work or out in the woods I have no issues with black coffee. Grab a cup, fill it and drink it. When Im at home? For some reason having sugar and half n half these I always add it. Thanks for watching
Another good analytical video. Thanks, Dave!
Thanks Rick, Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
Don't think I have ever just build a fire on flat then left it that way, always ended up with a fire ring either from the start or build up as it went along . A natural one that works for me always ends up a horse shoe shape , like a Hybrid trench type . Nicely done, TY
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I think at one time or another, Ive set up fire pretty much any way imaginable. Some ways dont work well. Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
The trench fire had flames more centered under the pot. The wind was blowing the flame away on the ground fire. The wind was affecting the trench fire flames less. It was an interesting experiment. Thermometer would be handy for tests like this. Thank you for another fine video. I liked your after action analysis. It seemed reasonable. Loved Juicy Fruit back when I chewed gum.
Yep, that's pretty much what happened. To me the only advantage of the ground fire is easy access to add mountains of wood!
Your joy is infectious, thanks for sharing.
Fantastic to hear that and thanks for watching!
Your use of toilet paper for wind direction is very smart...
Another good reason to keep a roll on you.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
I love how you talk. Torlette paypur... vee-hickle... cheers from Australia
Thanks!
This was very cool I love how you do these comparisons! Plus I’ve never thought about a trench fire, I’ve heard of like pit fires, but the trench one is like really cool because it’s almost like a narrow oven in the ground. I bet it would be good for cooking what we used to call Hobo meals, where you take foil and cut up some small pieces of potatoes, onions, peppers and some kind of meat like some deer, or ham, smoke sausage and a little water and spices and fold it all up real tight, and set it down in the coals and after a bit you got a whole meal.
Thanks a lot for your hard work especially with out any camera help, AWESOME VIDEO Dave!!! 👍
Thanks, Im glad you liked it! Yep, great for hobo meals. And with a trench fire you can have flames on one end and drag coals to the other end to just keep hobo packets warm. Thanks for watching
It seems to me that the trench fire as you tried to set it up is halfway between a ground fire and a Dakota pit fire. The directed airflow that would have worked for you if the wind hadn't shifted is like what happens in the Dakota pit, but the latter makes it automatic like a rocket stove. Also, the trench fire, given the same amount of wood, would be stealthier than the ground fire with less flame seen from a distance. Finally, as with the Dakota pit, the radiant heat from the coals will be largely reflected from the sides of the trench and eventually rise toward the pot or pan above it to a much greater degree than with the ground fire. The radiant heat (infrared light) is largely unaffected by the flow of air. Picture a light bulb where each fire was with aluminum (or aluminium) foil lining the sides of the trench. More (visible) light would get to the bottom of your pot. Visible light passes through air without much affecting it, but when it hits the ground, it gets absorbed and some of that energy gets re-radiated as infrared light (heat).
Very well stated Craig! Thanks for those comments
Almost forgot to wish you and your family a merry Christmas just around the corner can only speak for myself but really like it when Nick is able to join you for coffee and breakfast in the woods sometime work interferes with family time
Work has been interfering with all our filming time. It's sad but we gotta work. I hope y'all have a very Merry Christmas too!
Great technique with your saw,I have definitely learned a new way to tell wind direction,toilet paper who knew,thank Dave. 👍👍👍
Fantastic to hear that Anthony! Thanks for watching
I appreciate all the scientific rigor you put into the different types of fires. Could come handy. Great vids as usual. Keep up the great work and enjoying the outdoors! 👍
You are very welcome and I'm glad you like the videos!
Dave is just a genuinely good person! Love the vides! Thank you Dave
Fantastic to hear that and thanks!
The trench fire seems to work like a modified Dakota fire pit. Great info and a compare on the two methods. I always enjoy your vids and discussions on the ideas you bring.
Yep, it's very similar in nature. I'm glad you like the videos and thanks for watching my friend!
Great video, Dave. Glad to to see you back on. Georgia always brings back old memories from basic training at Benning.
Thanks Jimbo, I'm glad you liked it. Good ole Fort Benning holds memories for a lot of people. Thanks for watching
Always Great Seeing Your Comparisons, Davey, Thanks For This & The Coffee ! Hay Nick. ATB T God Bless
Thanks Terry! Im glad you liked it. Nick say hello! Thanks for watching and may God bless you too
Really enjoy your testing and coffee making. Thanks for this.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it
I LOVE this video. Dave back centuries ago they used to use pit forges based on that principle. The longer they dug the trench it helped to suck the air into the fire. If its got enough lead in and a way to get out it , I guess it could go "Dakota Pit tent chimney" if it weren't for the clay. Stick a leaf blower facing down the trench and there goes "fat wood Swiss cheese, episode 2😂😂 great stuff
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. Interesting, maybe I need to test an extra long trench fire? Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching brother
Great experiment would be to add a section of metal pipe for the air stream to be narrower. That might/should increase air speed😂
I wasn't sure about any of that Dave until you pulled out the Buc-ees tin, then I knew everything would be alright!
Lol, Buc-ees is the Disney world of stores!
Always a pleasure Dave. Merry Christmas!
Fantastic to hear that and a Merry Christmas to you too!
Really enjoyed your comparison. I just subscribed . I have been watching you for years. I'm 66 years old and just had a bout with colon cancer. You have me ready to go back in the woods. I'll look forward to seeing your next video. Thanks.
I'm glad you liked it Frank and thanks for the sub! Sorry to hear about the colon cancer but great you're not letting it slow you down! Enjoy the wilderness all you can. Take care and thanks for watching
Life is very busy especially this time of year . I love the comparison of the different types of fires . It sure was a different outcome from what I thought it would be in a way. Great informative video as always Dave! Take care and stay safe my brother from a different mother !!! Lol
Man its been extra extra busy for me this year! Work is killing me right now. Funny thing about this video, I planned it, I filmed it, and the results still shocked me! Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Brother Troy
Great video! Trench is definitely a more focused fire! Easy to regulate temp by manually regulating fuel load! Well worth the energy used!
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. Oh yes, well worth it for its use and a cover up when done. Thanks for watching Jonathan
I Love it we used trench fires when I was a Boy Scout and we noticed we would use less wood and the fire seemed to be hotter but that was a long time ago so good to see your R&D Proved my memory is not as bad as I thought I am from up north so you talk your way and I'll talk my way we are both American so it's all good
Fantastic to hear that! You've definitely got a good memory
Dave, I absolutely love the effort and details that you put in every one of your videos! Keep’em coming! Always looking forward to the next one!
Thanks, Im glad you like what all I do! Thanks for watching
Thanks Dave you spend your time to educate us even though the work day world keeps you separated from your family. That's the irony of the Western world our time is not our own.
You are very welcome Maureen and Im glad you liked it. Reminds me of the old saying, do we work to live or do we live to work? Lol. Thanks for watching
It appears to me that concentrating i.e. containing the fire in a trench protects it from much of the wind and therefore concentrates energy, making fire more efficient which means it consumes more wood but higher BTU's result and water boils faster. Thank you for your trial so that I, and indeed all of us may all learn from thee! I will be sure to use your idea some day, God willing.
Yep, your thoughts are spot on. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching
Thanks Dave, always appreciate your work. Stay safe and healthy
You are very welcome and I'm glad you liked it. You stay safe too and thanks for watching
I had fun! Again 😉. And I find the info useful too. Thanks!
Fantastic to hear that Mary! Thanks for watching
Sure is great to see you still making videos Dave. I really enjoy them. Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏻
I'll be making them as long as possible! Great hearing from you and thanks for watching
@@Reallybigmonkey1 I really enjoyed all the videos that I have watched. Thank you again 🙏🏻
Good job!! Trench fires are always better. Just be careful in a pine forest, the roots like to burn for days. Stretch the trench fire to about 1 foot shorter than your lean to and parallel to the front for all night warmth. (long fire) And then there's sleeping on a coal bed! Have fun!! And keep making videos!!!
Thanks for the info Merv and thanks for watching!
Thanks Dave, and Merry Christmas, Amigo.
I'm glad you liked it and a Merry Christmas to you too!
Always great to see you again Dave
Always great to hear from you John and thanks for watching
It seems the trench fire acts as a Venturi effect, funnelling the air/draft through, rather than over.
Really useful video Dave. Thank you
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. It funnels the air and slows down powerful gusts
You had me cracking up man when you put the ear to the coffee and then took a sip and said nah too hot lol and yeah those lids on the pots would make the water boil quicker I believe
Lol, I don't even know why I did that. Thanks for watching JP
Thanks Dave, learn a good lesson, stay safe!!!
You are very welcome Richard and I'm glad you liked it!
Love it ❤️. I guess if you have the time and lots of wind 💨 setup a trench, otherwise go with above ground🤓 Thanks Dave
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Yep, it's a good fire but not really a fast one.
Great job Dave! That was really interesting. Experience is a great teacher... I agree that trench fire was focusing more heat onto the pot :) Thanks very much!
Thanks Buck! I'm glad you liked it and the way I do things brother.
Time for a well deserved nap. I liked seeing the comparison and also felt the trench fire was quicker because the heat was contained and sending the heat up. In the open, the fire went to the sides more than straight up. I can see how the two methods can be used for different purposes. Very interesting, thank you.
Very well said! Digging the trench is more effort but definitely worth the effort. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching
Really Ike you to start an annual winter camp overnight with Nick and your Brother. Set up camp. Fix some good food. Then tell some stories around the fire. From now until then end of February is when I go camping. No ticks and stuff to deal with.
I'd love to do that but it seems like the three of us matching up free time is tough to do
That was an enjoyable video. I prefer the trench fire over the ground fire much easier to cook on. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks Sharon, Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
I use both but my vote is trench fire. For a fast cup of coffee or soup when day hiking like to use micro trench about 2" deep,2"wide,6" long with couple esbit tabs. Great vid
Sounds good! A trench that small sounds pretty fast to make. I'm glad you liked the video and thanks for watching
Great video and I really liked the toilet paper trick. I keep mine in a quart sized baggie, and for the length that you have torn of of the roll, I'd just add it back to the baggie to use later for the same purpose or for hygienic use.
Thanks Timothy, Im glad you liked it. Gotta have dry TP! Thanks for watching
Cool! If you like cinnamon in coffee, just put a cinnamon stick in with your grounds and allow it to seep with the grounds. Nice festive addition every once and awhile. Good for you too. 😁 Thanks Dave or another pleasant morning
I've had cinnamon sticks in hot tea but never tried it in coffee. Sounds good! Thanks for watching
You did your best to make the comparison fair. I agree that the trench fire wins. BTW - by definition, steam is invisible. What you can see is the condensation. Thanks again for another fun and educational video.
Thanks, Im glad you liked it Mark. Thanks for the clarification on steam, I never thought about that. Thanks for watching
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Sorry, I couldn't help myself. 40 years as a steamfitter. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
I think one of the key reasons for the trench fire doing better is that the heat it put out could basically only go in one direction and that was straight up. The heat in the ground fire was free to go basically anywhere. That’s probably why folks love using devices such as rocket stoves and wood gasification stoves. What limited heat there was could only go in one direction, straight up. Since the trench fire was restricted in where it’s heat could have gone that’s the likely cause for its going through wood at a faster clip.
Very well said John!
Thank you Dave, we love your video's.
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You are very welcome Rob and I'm glad you like the videos! Thanks for the comments views and support. I hope y'all have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!