That's funny. We've been hearing about this for 50 years on Network TV without even trying. Probably became a re-run even before Chariots of the Gods first came out.
was just going to comment on the same thing, and saw your comment..upvoted many times..damn tight that was irratating..and i was just getting into the story..hope he learns from this..
My late father was a crew member on one of the 2 Martin PBM Mariners that went out to search for Flight 19. The other PBM didn’t make it back. A cargo ship reported an explosion in the air, my father said it was probably an explosion from gas fumes that had built up in the fuselage. The PBM he was in had the same problem. All he could do was pray that there was no errant spark on board. BTW my father thought the planes flew farther out to sea.
Supposedly they sent out 2 float planes like pby or pbm bombers with crews of 10 or more and one also disappeared without a trace while searching for flight 19
It was a Martin Mariner; it likely exploded in mid air. A large fireball was seen in the search area; the Mariner was known as a flying gas tank, susceptible to gas leaks and explosions.
I've heard of this story before. Spacial disoriented and the inability to work with the rest of the flight was the explanation I'd heard. Still a great story. I enjoyed this version very much.🛩️
Exactly. Not believing his instruments. Thats one of the fundamental things the drill into you from day one. And there’s basically 2 of everything. As a backup and it only takes one person especially with a higher rank to lead all astray. And if you break off and use your instincts and instruments but you could ruin your career if you’re wrong and die if you trust him. Crappy situation each choice is not good. And I worked on a fishing boat in New England for 20 and the clouds example that he was pointing out is totally correct you notice that there’s no clouds over the open water but they are all above land. Islands. It sticks out
Lt. Taylor, the flight commander had gotten lost before and I'm guessing he was in trouble for this. He'd not wanted to take the flight. He became obsessed with keeping the flight intact and would not listen to his colleagues. I agree he became disoriented but why no one took charge I do not understand. Plummer is probably right, and the retracing of the flight would get a result.
At Fort Lauderdale airport. There is a flight 19 memorial near the control tower. There is also a small Naval air Station Fort Lauderdale museum. The building it's in is the building the navy used to train pilots on the Link Trainer during WW2. They have a few artifacts related to flight 19 also.
The Avengers probably originally had wind up clocks. I have heard that many were taken as souvenirs by servicemen demobilizing after WWII. It easily could happen that none of the aircraft had clocks. If you read the transcripts, Taylor for some reason thought he was in the Keys and would not let the flight turn west to get to Florida. The area on the eastern end of Grand Bahama looks a LOT like the islands just east of Key West. I think that is why Taylor thought he was in the Keys, and that they ended up somewhere east of Cape Canaveral and north of Grand Bahama……which is a LOT of ocean in which to look. The strength of their radio signals makes it impossible for them to have turned south after the first leg. There were approximate radio fixes that placed them north of GBI.
I saw a better UA-cam documentary about the base tower radio operator I believe. He kept turning down the power on his radio set and marking position of the dial where he lost their signal to determine if they were getting closer or further away. If you do a doc that says they're looking in the wrong place, you should say something about the right place other than just "the deepest part of the ocean". There's one theory that they mistook some Cuban islands for Islands off Florida and turned the wrong way. I've also read LT Taylor requested not fly that day and hag gotten lost and ditched in the ocean twice before.
I've read the transcripts of the plane to plane communications. Stupid flight commander had, not one, but two broken compasses in his plane. The very second that he realized that, he should have relinquished command to someone else, but no, he had an ego to stroke. He led those men to the middle of nowhere. As far as the inflatable rafts on the planes, first, you gotta get those rafts out. Second, that area of water is known for rogue waves which can overturn rafts and to use an old Bill Cosby joke: "How long can you tread water?"
Yeah, the flight commander's decision-making skills were seriously off course! But what I always forget is that each plane had three men onboard. What were those other two guys doing while this was going on?
@@HistoryX What could the turret gunner and radio operator have done? There is no access to the cockpit and no secondary flight controls in the Avenger.
@@HistoryX They followed command chain. It was a training exercise and not up to them to take the lead. I bet if you do a test exactly calling for this to survive because of the obvious inability of their commander, 90/100 will die the same way. You do not challenge the command chain.
Another thing that should be made aware of is if the pilots had done a pre fight chart on their destination by speed and direction,they would have known where they were.I understand their compasses weren't working,but just by looking at land masses could have gave them an idea of their position.But,who knows,we weren't there.😊
I loved hearing the last veteran to get in contact with flight 19 . To hear him talk like hearing flight 19 again thank you for putting him in video truly a privilege 👍🏼💯
Flying saucers have been seen so much around Florida that I think they may be responsible.I know,that sounds crazy right? Not as much as you would think.
It seems strange that they didn't try to triangulate Flight 19's position. This works best with ground-based stations. If the blimp knew exactly where they were at, that could have been a "fallback" alternative. There's no information about the Navy attempting that- at least in this video.
There could have been 50 aircrafts , they would all have crash also since they where following a lost leader. Also, the Bermuda triangle is just a big fantasy. Of course they have a lot of ships and airplanes disappearing there, just like everywhere in the world where ships and aircrafts routes are situated, the Bermuda -Florida corridor just happen the be where some majors sea and air routes are situated. More ships and aircrafts travelling there = more lost ships and aircrafts. As stupid as that.
One theory is that because they had no idea where they were, and were going back and forth,east west in a zigzag prior to running out of fuel, that they all went down in the everglades...endless swamps....thats why nothings been found, the planes sank, the crews probably eaten by gators. The order was given that when one ran out of fuel, theyd all go down together and stick together in the water for better chance of rescue. The avenger was known for its ability to stay afloat quite awhile on water landings , this gives credibility to the everglades theory, as theyd have crashed and not floated. But, the clincher may be the radio message ," we appear to be over land, but its broken up".
Flight 19 didn't spark the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle. The disappearance of the USS Cyclops decades earlier already sparked interest in the mystery, as had several other maritime disappearances in the area. Flight 19 was the first notable incident involving aircraft disappearing.
I never understood how the flight leader could lead the squadron out over the Atlantic and convince himself that they were over the Keys. I remember reading the story about Flight 19 when I was around 12 years old and have been interested in it ever since, I am 60 now.
Does anyone else hate baked in subtitles as much as I do? UA-cam has a subtitle function. Please don’t force us to have distracting text on the screen.
The one thing I never understood is they have inflatables you’re telling me the planes. The pilots knew they were ditching what you prepare for that and then nothing ever found or something fishy.
So... this might serve as a good example of letting your ego write checks that your ass can't cover. The commander of the group should have turned over the lead to another pilot whose instruments were still working!🙄
If you want to see what happened in detail look up the PBS/Nova episode on Flight 19, originally aired on Feb 16, 1976. They thoroughly debunk the Bermuda Triangle nonsense and go through the flight almost minute-by-minute. Oh, and the background music used here sucks, totally distracting from the limited useful info in this video.
Never heard of?? Are you kidding? This is one of the most well known disappearances in aviation history along with Earhart!
And the answer Long known
And Glenn Miller.
Hence why they make these videos, so a lot of people comment, that way the youtube algo picks up on community engagement and promotes the channel.
It shows in close enconters also.
@@franciscorompana2985 Yep very beginning.
"I don't understand! Who still flies these?"
"No one, these planes were reported missing in 1945!"
Never heard of?? It’s well known among Warbird fans and anyone that saw Close Encounters of the Third Kind!
We did a study on the Bermuda Triangle in primary school 40 years ago when teachers taught us how to think. It was part of the curriculum.
That's funny. We've been hearing about this for 50 years on Network TV without even trying. Probably became a re-run even before Chariots of the Gods first came out.
There must be a UA-cam rule stipulating that content providers are required to pair interesting videos with horrible and loud background music.
Right? Didn't finish the video. I'll never understand.....
was just going to comment on the same thing, and saw your comment..upvoted many times..damn tight that was irratating..and i was just getting into the story..hope he learns from this..
Well why in the hell have you remained silent for 79 F-ing years?!
they didnt want to listen to him , get hold of that ballard guy he might search those cords
I got to meet Al Kosner. He was supposed to be on that flight but didn't go because of a abscess tooth.
Avengers did not remain IN SERVICE for 20 yrs after WW II... not in US Navy.
I was wondering that myself, the F4U Corsair went on a little, but the avenger ( the turkey buzzard. ) nah .
Early 1950' s.
Sad to think we are in the last days of hearing these stories from participants. RIP
My late father was a crew member on one of the 2 Martin PBM Mariners that went out to search for Flight 19. The other PBM didn’t make it back. A cargo ship reported an explosion in the air, my father said it was probably an explosion from gas fumes that had built up in the fuselage. The PBM he was in had the same problem. All he could do was pray that there was no errant spark on board. BTW my father thought the planes flew farther out to sea.
The world and its mother have heard of flight 19 .
One of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read on social media!
I hear about this over 50yrs ago, and is a well known tragedy.
The Bermuda Triangle was well known long before Flight 19. Get your facts right.
I first remember hearing about this story on unsolved mysteries …the old one with Robert Stack 😂
In Search of, with Leonard Nemoy for me.
Hmmm.🤔 Robert Stack and Leonard Nimoy? And since their documentaries ... has anybody seen or heard from either one of since? Hide nor hair?
@@LesterMoore well they are both dead so probably not. 🤷
@@mikebrase5161 or are they 🤔?
@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 Next on "Unsolved but really truly solved Mysteries".
I have always wondered why they didn't just fly Due West or slightly North-West. Florida is a big target.
Supposedly they sent out 2 float planes like pby or pbm bombers with crews of 10 or more and one also disappeared without a trace while searching for flight 19
It was a Martin Mariner; it likely exploded in mid air. A large fireball was seen in the search area; the Mariner was known as a flying gas tank, susceptible to gas leaks and explosions.
The aircraft was a flying boat that was notorious foe filling with petrol fumes and blowing up.
I've heard of this story before.
Spacial disoriented and the inability to work with the rest of the flight was the explanation I'd heard. Still a great story.
I enjoyed this version very much.🛩️
So glad you liked the video!
Exactly. Not believing his instruments. Thats one of the fundamental things the drill into you from day one. And there’s basically 2 of everything. As a backup and it only takes one person especially with a higher rank to lead all astray. And if you break off and use your instincts and instruments but you could ruin your career if you’re wrong and die if you trust him. Crappy situation each choice is not good. And I worked on a fishing boat in New England for 20 and the clouds example that he was pointing out is totally correct you notice that there’s no clouds over the open water but they are all above land. Islands. It sticks out
Lt. Taylor, the flight commander had gotten lost before and I'm guessing he was in trouble for this. He'd not wanted to take the flight. He became obsessed with keeping the flight intact and would not listen to his colleagues. I agree he became disoriented but why no one took charge I do not understand. Plummer is probably right, and the retracing of the flight would get a result.
At Fort Lauderdale airport. There is a flight 19 memorial near the control tower. There is also a small Naval air Station Fort Lauderdale museum. The building it's in is the building the navy used to train pilots on the Link Trainer during WW2. They have a few artifacts related to flight 19 also.
That's cool! Thanks for the heads up about the Flight 19 memorial and museum at Fort Lauderdale airport.
@@HistoryXyou're welcome. Glad I was able to mention it.
Those relics were found on beaches near the airstation.
Does he mean that none of them had a clock ? Does the sun not set in the West ?
Only on the equator. North of that it’s more like south west, though there’s also seasonal variations. So ‘west-ish’.
The Avengers probably originally had wind up clocks. I have heard that many were taken as souvenirs by servicemen demobilizing after WWII. It easily could happen that none of the aircraft had clocks.
If you read the transcripts, Taylor for some reason thought he was in the Keys and would not let the flight turn west to get to Florida.
The area on the eastern end of Grand Bahama looks a LOT like the islands just east of Key West. I think that is why Taylor thought he was in the Keys, and that they ended up somewhere east of Cape Canaveral and north of Grand Bahama……which is a LOT of ocean in which to look. The strength of their radio signals makes it impossible for them to have turned south after the first leg. There were approximate radio fixes that placed them north of GBI.
@@Anymouse6457 Very informative , thank you.
I saw a better UA-cam documentary about the base tower radio operator I believe. He kept turning down the power on his radio set and marking position of the dial where he lost their signal to determine if they were getting closer or further away. If you do a doc that says they're looking in the wrong place, you should say something about the right place other than just "the deepest part of the ocean". There's one theory that they mistook some Cuban islands for Islands off Florida and turned the wrong way. I've also read LT Taylor requested not fly that day and hag gotten lost and ditched in the ocean twice before.
8.44 "They haven't been found because they're looking in the wrong place."
...Gee thanks for clearing that up. 😂
The music is very irritating.
Any one who does the same thing over and over expecting a different result is a fool. Too many were made officers.
I've read the transcripts of the plane to plane communications. Stupid flight commander had, not one, but two broken compasses in his plane. The very second that he realized that, he should have relinquished command to someone else, but no, he had an ego to stroke. He led those men to the middle of nowhere. As far as the inflatable rafts on the planes, first, you gotta get those rafts out. Second, that area of water is known for rogue waves which can overturn rafts and to use an old Bill Cosby joke: "How long can you tread water?"
Yeah, the flight commander's decision-making skills were seriously off course! But what I always forget is that each plane had three men onboard. What were those other two guys doing while this was going on?
Crapping their selves? I know I would have been!
@@HistoryX What could the turret gunner and radio operator have done? There is no access to the cockpit and no secondary flight controls in the Avenger.
Crosy was shit! He best his kids with a sock full of count so bruises wouldn't be found.
@@HistoryX They followed command chain. It was a training exercise and not up to them to take the lead. I bet if you do a test exactly calling for this to survive because of the obvious inability of their commander, 90/100 will die the same way. You do not challenge the command chain.
The flight designation was FT-28, it's not a personal designation.
The video brings no new information yet repeats the same. Sad for those concerned.
Another thing that should be made aware of is if the pilots had done a pre fight chart on their destination by speed and direction,they would have known where they were.I understand their compasses weren't working,but just by looking at land masses could have gave them an idea of their position.But,who knows,we weren't there.😊
WWII had ended in September 1945
All I learned is they're still missing.
One of the most well known disappearances
I'm not. Several sailors told investigators they were looking at the wrong srea.
That man should get to rest in the Bahamas...😊
If my compass was working, I quickly would had followed it and not some Jerk.
I loved hearing the last veteran to get in contact with flight 19 . To hear him talk like hearing flight 19 again thank you for putting him in video truly a privilege 👍🏼💯
This is the most famous aviation incident ever told. Never heard of?
This is the Navy. That means the cause was pilot error. Even when it isn't pilot error.
Another channel for the do not recomend channel option....
Fluff presentation on an incident/story that is all but worn out..... Pop said it best, wrong location, deep, off the continental shelf...
I have to wonder if someone came forward and stated they had found the planes would it be suppressed
TBM was first naval plane with radar.
Very old news
Flying saucers have been seen so much around Florida that I think they may be responsible.I know,that sounds crazy right? Not as much as you would think.
It seems strange that they didn't try to triangulate Flight 19's position. This works best with ground-based stations. If the blimp knew exactly where they were at, that could have been a "fallback" alternative. There's no information about the Navy attempting that- at least in this video.
Commander was Joe Biden Taylor.
Biden served in civil war also
That's a bunch of malarkey!
The Flight 19 mystery is not new.
Aliens..
Chupracobra..
There could have been 50 aircrafts , they would all have crash also since they where following a lost leader.
Also, the Bermuda triangle is just a big fantasy.
Of course they have a lot of ships and airplanes disappearing there, just like everywhere in the world where ships and aircrafts routes are situated, the Bermuda -Florida corridor just happen the be where some majors sea and air routes are situated.
More ships and aircrafts travelling there = more lost ships and aircrafts.
As stupid as that.
I heard of this mystery 1,000 times over, it’s a very infamous mystery, along with the disappearance of Glenn Miller and Emilia Earhart.
Omg you’re back.
lol @ "The WWII aviation mystery you’ve never heard of". It’s one of the top ones heard of 2nd to Amelia Earhart.
Click bait
less music..how bout No Music
Lose the music😊
I need to get me a pair of those glasses 😎
They did find some
The video is ruined by the music
Mr.Plummer and crew was in the air for 19 hours…hence, Flight 19, hmmm, interesting!
One theory is that because they had no idea where they were, and were going back and forth,east west in a zigzag prior to running out of fuel, that they all went down in the everglades...endless swamps....thats why nothings been found, the planes sank, the crews probably eaten by gators. The order was given that when one ran out of fuel, theyd all go down together and stick together in the water for better chance of rescue. The avenger was known for its ability to stay afloat quite awhile on water landings , this gives credibility to the everglades theory, as theyd have crashed and not floated. But, the clincher may be the radio message ," we appear to be over land, but its broken up".
Flight 19 didn't spark the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle. The disappearance of the USS Cyclops decades earlier already sparked interest in the mystery, as had several other maritime disappearances in the area. Flight 19 was the first notable incident involving aircraft disappearing.
Could ya turn down the background music please
Thanks for this our RNZAF operated Avenger planes in WW2 👍✈️🇳🇿
I never understood how the flight leader could lead the squadron out over the Atlantic and convince himself that they were over the Keys.
I remember reading the story about Flight 19 when I was around 12 years old and have been interested in it ever since, I am 60 now.
Lmao it’s absolutely INSANE to say “never heard of”. Flight 19 has been on just about every “mystery” show for the last 30 years at least
They haven't found flight 19 because of looking in the wrong spot. That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard somebody say.
" where lost " " oh fuck !"
Well at least we know one thing....they failed navigation training
Does anyone else hate baked in subtitles as much as I do?
UA-cam has a subtitle function. Please don’t force us to have distracting text on the screen.
Love the music what is it
Pedro Valerio ..Medios Graves Em Agudos
The only thing new to me in this is the no cockpit clocks info, i think they ended up west of the keys somewhere in the gulf of mexico
Nope ....I heard of it.....❤
If you title had read Flight 19 , i would have watched it !
The one thing I never understood is they have inflatables you’re telling me the planes. The pilots knew they were ditching what you prepare for that and then nothing ever found or something fishy.
You're so right. Nothing has ever been found. Don't know what to think about that
What people don't realize is a massive storm struck the area very shortly after comes loss
So... this might serve as a good example of letting your ego write checks that your ass can't cover. The commander of the group should have turned over the lead to another pilot whose instruments were still working!🙄
Why did they find the north star? Which showed where north is.
Geroge was related to erwin romell
I just wanna know why you start talking when the old head started explain why they aint listen
Flight 19 was not crash in Bermuda triangle it was crash in island
Go back to sleep Roger. Hey, did you know we never landed on the moon too.
" they should have flown below the clouds ?" ( then they can see islands 🏝 🙄 ! )
No, no YOU DON'T that's why they've never been found!!
I think the turned around and crashed in the Everglades
If you want to see what happened in detail look up the PBS/Nova episode on Flight 19, originally aired on Feb 16, 1976. They thoroughly debunk the Bermuda Triangle nonsense and go through the flight almost minute-by-minute. Oh, and the background music used here sucks, totally distracting from the limited useful info in this video.
They used to teach us about us history in school. Now it just be gay.
3:05 in and can't take the music. Out.
Thanks Wikipedia for NOTHING !
When we were kids the USN Air Station in Ft. Lauderdale was abandoned but intact. This is where the crew was stationed including Lt. George Bush Sr.
If they were above the clouds surely the position of the sun would give them a clue to direction, just saying
We have all heard of this.. the music mad it to annoying to watch
The music ruins an otherwise excellent video.
Why the loud crappy music. You spoiled the whole show
Interesting documentary shame about the irritating irrelevent dirge played over the comnentary :(
Knows where there are for nearly a century? Why tell now?
They were kgb german and working for the japanese
Geroge was german intel
Nothing new here. Just a rehash of what everyone already knows.
No new information whatsoever. Completely disappointing video.
Grey aliens took the planes and the men on board the explorer space craft and the planes are under ground in the American desert in a grey alien base
The incident had it's own pop song. ua-cam.com/video/2OOCF-ZkoA4/v-deo.html
Geraldo & Capones vault full of money & treasures coming next. ALL GARBAGE
NO mystery This was solved and the wrecks were found 50 years ago
Stupid use of music ruins this video.
Stupid annoying music