Steve there have been several of these exact situations with newspaper delivery people. Usually instigated by off duty cops under the guise of neighborhood watches at 5am in the morning. There is no doubt as to what these paper delivery drivers are doing, as they are continuing to move the entire time they are working. The excuses the off duty and on duty officers use to detain the worker are stupid at best. I'm more impressed that something actually was done here.
I some cases they do stop. For big tippers or long time elderly clients, some drivers will put the paper on the porch. Police should know that but they tend to be stupid about what working people do.
I delivered papers in my small hometown, along with my best friend, from age 11 to 16. Our routes adjoined each other, and we lived next door to each other, so in the summers, my friend and I would combine our routes, and hang out while doing our deliveries. We saw the cops almost daily, (the police department was actually on my route) and never had an interaction until one morning when some cop, for whatever reason, decided to hassle us. He stopped us and started with the usual "where are you going? Where are you coming from? Why are you out at night (it was 4 am)?" We stood there, paper bags on our shoulders in disbelief. This cop was determined that we were a pair of arch criminals, and wasn't letting us proceed. We didn't have ID on us (we were 14), and he was on a major power trip. After what seemed like 30 minutes of interrogation, a different cop showed up and chewed the first cop's ass for delaying delivery of the paper. We were released to finish our route. With some of these officers, once they've decided that you're up to something, no amount of common sense can dissuade them.
Police in the 1980s: _"Oh, he's tossing newspapers inside bags, he must be delivering newspapers."_ Police in the 2020s: _"Oh, he's tossing newspapers inside bags, he must be doing something illegal!"_
Not disagreeing with the problems with police, I am simple stating that the issue isn't that stuff like this didn't happen in the 80s, it's that you never would have heard about it if it did
Yes, I agree Shane. 👍 Law Enforcement has to be held to a higher standard because of the authority they have been given. We are seeing far too many stories of police mistakenly shooting people engaged in lawful activities as well as arresting people for doing nothing illegal and then having to go to court only to have the charges dropped by the judge. No consequences for cops who make up flimsy charges and cost the public untold waste of time and money? There must be better transparency, better accountability, and better TRAINING for these cops.
@@skippylippy547 as a non-us person, I'd say the transparency is good enough over there, it's the accountability (QI is just madness to me) and training that are lacking/non existant
@@BillySBC I hope for the population that the arbitrator didn't specify that he was to be allowed a gun and on patrol again and instead he's in the archive filing paperwork...
I worked as a security guard at an industrial complex and had the police called om me a half dozen time. There's always some dimwit who calls the police about a suspicious person and are blind to the fact that I'm wearing a uniform. The joy of being face down and being cuffed on hot pavement, even though you are wearing a shirt with reflective six-inch lettering saying 'SECURITY' made me lose respect for my local police. among other things.
There is a reason why that happens. One of the best covers to rob places on an industrial parks is to turn up in high vis gear, often marked security or similar. Usually no one questions a group of people who look like they belong, this let's them case places by walking fence lines or during the break in itself spend their time emptying a warehouse while no one bothers them. Having 2 or 3 guys with vests marked security and a vehicle with a security style decal (or one that says alarm response/electrical engineering) is a great way to rob a warehouse that's alarmed too. People see a few security staff and an engineer stood around the door on a site with its alarm going off, they assume it's been dealt with as a fault when in reality theres someone round back loading a van full of stuff they are stealing. Also if they get caught, impersonating security staff doesn't add to the charges and in the US can let them be openly armed without raising suspicion.
The best thing this industrial park ever did for its security was open a late night teenage venue on the site. Police were there every night in numbers
This is great. Let's also acknowledge reality and take a moment to reflect on the vast majority of police abuse cases where the cop is never held accountable.
the only union conservatives will back is the boys in blue, i wonder why that is, do rich old crones need jackboots thugs to protect their thieving lives and corrupt schemes.
@@skippylippy547 but that's exactly why some of these lunatics join the blue line gang. They use the badge and gun to terrorize anybody for any reason, it's for their own sick self gratification.
I had a gun drawn on me by an On-Duty cop while I was delivering papers in the morning. I was 12 and the towns biggest crime in years was someone grabbing some smokes off the counter at the gas station and driving off before being caught a few minutes later.
@@michigangeezer3950 My mom was standing right there screaming “Don’t shoot my son!” It never occurred to them to sue, and the town doesn’t have any money anyway. We were just happy to go home.
@@modelcitizen1977 I don't know about suing, but seeing the schmuck fired hard enough to cause him to leave law enforcement entirely would have been nice. Even just being known as "that guy", and never seeing another promotion, or getting stuck with the bad shifts for all eternity, would be something.
When these incidents happen, at the time of the actual confrontation, the cop can readily realize what is going on BUT at that point they have called it in so they have to try and find something for ego purposes....
Yep. I saw something that looked suspicious in my neighborhood. I was in my car, turned around, and drove back by, saw that it was actually nothing, and moved along to my house. I didn't holler at the guy or pull a gun on him, imagine that.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Well, you're not a trained LEO, are you? Maybe they had an outstanding warrant? Maybe those kids did not show you the proper respect when you drove by and need to be taught a lesson in boot-licking?
Yeah, this cop def knew exactly what he was doin... Immediately after this happened, the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police. "This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family."
When I was 16 I started delivering newspapers. I start about 2am and be done by 5. Everytime there was a new cop on the night shift, I'd get pulled over. Everytime they'd seem to struggle to understand my job and why I was driving like a drunk.
Cops are slow in the head I think sometimes. I never got it. I worked a late shift at one job and would getting home at 4-5am and when there is new officer who took the area i lived in almost like clockwork I'd get pulled over. Me in a khaki pants and a polo shirt that said either Slackware or something geeky and a name badge that said where I worked. It would take me everything in my power not to cuss them out. (Anyone would get the clues and think oh this person must work in IT and does work late nights) But we have to go through the same rigmarole ever god damn time. Where am I going? Home. Where did I come from? Work at X Why am I out so late? Cause I do the night shift. I swear cops are idiots.
True. I had bags front and back riding a bicycle. But cops would stop me harass me. If I gave them my info it always went on and on. Learned quick it was easier to not carry any ID then sit down and refuse to speak with them a single word they would have to get a supervisor who would try the same curbside interrogation. Make threats, always told me to sit as they went back to their cars. Sometimes sat in their and talked for an hour, my boss shown up before because papers were delayed. Then rudely, they never one single time came back out, apologized and said I’m free to go. They just drove off without saying another word. Knowing they were wrong, couldn’t do anything, and were just there harassing a kid that would be happy to show the world their evil.
Once in a great while I'll happen to be out when a newspaper delivery person goes by, weaving crazily down the street. Because it happens so seldom, it always takes me a few second to figure out what they're doing. But ONLY a few seconds! What's wrong with these cops?
Technically though, you're not supposed to drive on the opposite side of the street, even if it's to deliver newspapers. Most police will take into account what you're doing though and let you slide
inandof myself I blame Quotas, or performance standards, or whatever they are calling them these days. 'We expect you to count x number of interactions with the public' :D
Not just an off-duty cop, you might expect better from the county sheriff, but of course they are just as bad. From a Seattle Time story: A July 11 trial date has been set for Pierce County Sheriff Ed Troyer on two misdemeanor charges related to his controversial January confrontation with a Black newspaper carrier. Troyer was charged in October by the state Attorney General’s office with one count of false reporting and one count of making a false or misleading statement to a civil servant for calling in a police response on Sedrick Altheimer, who was delivering newspapers on his regular route in Tacoma on Jan. 26. After following Altheimer in his personal SUV and winding up in a standoff, Troyer, who is white, told a 911 dispatcher in a 2 a.m. call that Altheimer had threatened to kill him. But he walked back the claim when questioned by a Tacoma police officer, according to an incident report.
whats telling is that he doesn't work in the town he lives in, he probably did at one point but probably already had some sketchy altercations and was allowed to "resign and move on" rather than get disciplined or fired. it's a disgusting practice but it happens all the time.
Givdn the cop sent an email to the deliverypersons employer with bullshit lies about him smellin of marijuana; im wagerin this cop is doin all sorts of illegal shit both on and off duty.
As the daughter of a retired cop, these are the exact types of cops that need to be eradicated from all police forces. My father was a state trooper - very straight laced. In my late teens and twenties, I often drove out-of-state and my father urged me to not get off of the main highways. He also told me that if any Sherriff's deputy in a remote area attempted to pull me over for any reason, to drive slowly and deliberately to a lit area with other people, as local sheriff's departments often hire "bad seeds" out of nepotism or for political favors. I was recently assaulted by a police officer using his vehicle because I was leaving my parents neighborhood at 1:00am for DWP - driving while poor. The officer didn't like my 18 year old Mazda. We didn't wreck because I don't panic in true emergencies the way most people do. Until this country starts paying to hire better quality officers, the bad will continue to be employed. Simply saying "more training" is NOT the answer. You cannot train stupid.
I've seen it all as well, used to be a paperboy with my brothers, never a problem cuz our neighborhood was cut off by the freeway and VERY hard to get to. 2 paperboys were kidnapped & vanished forever same week Johnny Gosch and Eugene Martin - then the Hoffman twins tiny guys on my 8th grade parochial Football league team were Executed Dwntwn cleaning their Grandfathers office in Des Moines Iowa Thats when Evil came to small town USA mid 70s And your dads right Those hick Deputies are dangerous Esp to Women alone. Notice Crime rates have dropped Dramatically Since DNA testing became a thing and Security cams are EVERYWHERE? homes businesses schools gov blds etc?? And that 10s of 1000s of rape kits go untested and warehoused NATIONWIDE. Wanna know WHY? cuz its been COPS raping women they pull over and if they test those rape kits theres gonna be 100k PLUS cops arrested imprisoned 30% decrease in crime ACROSS THE BOARD why such a dramatic drop?? CELL PHONES SECURITY CAMS COP CAMS etc and it's become apparent that with the MANY MANY exonerations of illegally imprisoned people that cops have been MAKING STUFF UP CONSTANTLY and then BOOM suddenly theres a 30% crime DECREASE? despite a LARGER POORER population?? Nope it was Cops all along arresting people illegally LYING on reports Your dad might have been a Straight cop MOST ARE NOT Germany where I've been 16 yrs its 3yrs Uni level training and Psych cases are a NO GO and theres MULTIPLE YRS of Follow up supervisory training. Bonus?? POLIZEI are super polite and nice here
Hate to be a nitpicker 😉, but you actually can "train stupid". It's called "police academy". Now if you meant "can't train the stupidity out of stupid people" then I'm inclined to agree! 😄
@@coolraul07 Fortunately, I know better than that. There are good police officers out there. Unfortunately many of them have quit since delusional fools utilizing no intelligence nor fact, invented the stupid concept of "defund the police".
In this guys case, its... You cant retrain racists >.> "When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this." The officer in this case literally said this to the dude while at the gss station and many witnesses and cameras were there to gather the evidence that will be used in a civil case to prove the cop violated his 14th amendment rights
I saw one last year where it was the chief of police, in the middle of the night and he also called it in as a much more severe incident than it was. When multiple departments arrived, they found that he had blocked the man's car in and wouldn't let him leave.
Hi Steve Just to let you know that this story has been on UA-cam , I believe, a few months back. Anyway, the off-duty cop had twice threatened, to police despatch, that he was going to shoot the Black delivery driver. Furthermore the cop, using his drawn gun, illegally detained the driver at a nearby gas station until the regular police arrived. Afterwards, the delivery driver was so traumatised that he resigned from his delivery job. It seems to me, looking at this story from London, that you have a lot of itchy fingered cops that really have no right to be police officers, let alone carry firearms, but should instead be psych evaluated for fitness to do the job.
@@grahvis poorly trained is right, it takes more training to be a certified hairdresser that it does to be a cop. most cops were bullies in high school, usually on one of the sports teams, good enough to be revered in high school but too lazy and too dumb to make it to the next level and college, it's the perfect job for them, they get to bully people and get a way with it and make good money and not have to go to college. the standards need to be raised.
Really its bad supervision, and not enough complaints stick. The management didnt make sure this cop knew that he shouldnt be escalating situations, but they dont often train on that in this county.
@@grahvis Thank god for the second ammendment! The safest parts of our country also happen to be where firearms are the least regulated. In many big cities only the criminals have guns. I'm not sure any amount of training could help a cop like this. This is pure stupidity and ego. They guy shouldn't be a cop or have a job with any level of responsiblity or decision making. Guns don't kill people, people kill people
Delivered thousands of papers every night for a few years. Helped with paper delivery for 12 years. It was a family business and we may not have known all of the police or sheriffs by name but they knew our operation pretty well! This is just astonishing. I don't know what I'd have done if someone did this to me in the middle of my paper route.
It's been ~7 years but i bet i could ask 1/2 the local pd/sheriffs and many would still know of the khaki metallic jeep liberty that delivered newspapers for almost a decade.
If only the cop was smart enough to confiscate the subscription fees He could claim Civil Asset Forfeiture, give a share to the local police district Getting all the forces involved guaranties he will never be held accountable And Hey! , free drinks at the bar tonight
Except, hes not up against an individual if he did that - he wouldve been up against the towns newpaper (its their money hed be taking) - who probably has connections to every major player in town, including direct access to the public for telling their side of the story. Not such a smart move.
@@staryoke the delivery guy is an independent worker. The paper would be just as likely to have billed him for the lost money and blamed him for the failed deliveries. I was a paperboy for the Midland Daily News. The guy to whom I answered was exactly that sort.
As the youngest of 12 kids, I finished a family tradition that lasted 28 years delivering our local newspaper. Also, Sunday mornings delivering papers in our dads truck. The memories will last a life time.
Wow! That's awesome to hear! At our place we've had three generations of a few families working there at the same time for many years, both in office and as carriers. Kids that were in car seats have their own routes as I'm sure you can relate.
When I had a paper route back in the 70's, collecting was the hard part, at least with some customers. They would keep putting me off, or not answer the door despite the fact I knew they were home. I had one customer who repeatedly refused to answer the door. I got ticked-off and knocked so hard I accidentally cracked the window on the door. The customer complained and wanted me to pay for the window, so I asked what made them think it was me (since they never answered). Needless to say, their window didn't get paid for.
In the UK, doors have letter boxes. One house had a dog which as soon as you started to put the paper through, would rip it out of your hand. I don't know what state their paper was in after that, but they never complained.
I had to cut off a classmate's family because they also wouldn't pay nor answer the door when they were clearly home. I cut them off until they paid up and switched to pre-pay to the office. It had to be awkward for my classmate, as his family had money (or at least the appearance of it) while my family was dirt poor...
I had two cops on my paper route. One called the paper, Memphis Press Simatar, to complaine becouse I went to his house to collect, no one had told me that cops don't pay, I had to pay the paper for their copies.
When I was a District Manager with the local paper, two things about cops I noticed. 1) most of the time they couldn’t leave the stop fast enough when they figured out I was delivering papers, 2) most of them couldn’t tell the truth about why they stopped me in the first place. It was mind boggling, the truth was easy and made sense, I was an out of town car they hadn’t seen driving about a neighborhood randomly shining houses with a flashlight looking for an address and then pulling into driveways. But could they say that? Not most of them.
You cannot pull someone over for simply being suspicious. Of course, it's hard to tell what cops are _supposed_ to do by watching them, because they never do _only_ what they're supposed to. Even the nice ones.
@@QuietRiverBear Yes, that is ALSO fucked up. It is also unrelated. They have to have a valid reason to interrupt your day, or else it's harassment. Lying comes AFTER they have a valid reason to talk to you. No that does not mean I believe cops get in trouble for doing it. Cops don't get in trouble for 98% of the shit they pull.
@@ashkebora7262 you’re not reading what I wrote or trying to make some other point that is only tangental related to what I wrote because your responses are nearly non-sequitur, they don’t follow very well. The cops had a valid reason, their reason was self evident, the reason they gave me was often a lie, laughably so. They didn’t need to lie yet they did. I knew this because I was there and knew what I did. I’m not going to speculate why, only relating that they did because they could. Why are you trying to ‘correct’ what I wrote to fit your experience and knowledge?
As a kid I delivered papers in the morning. I usually cut thru a yard to say a few steps. One day the cops showed up at my family's door. They asked if I had seen anyone in the area. The garage had been broken into. I said I didn't do it and the cops agreed. They followed my footprints thru the wet grass and saw i never went near the garage.
The cops always “escalate “ situations this is why this happened. Just watch the videos of people recording out in public., police always harassing and escalating those situations also.
@@OneWildTurkey you might be reading that ., no one else is. They escalate every situation they “get involved” in., especially people out in the public recording court houses and police stations, post offices, jails, power companies., oil refineries, anything that’s in public view.
@@OneWildTurkey For me, I am more of a better not to trample all over someone's constitutionally given rights by escalating something that is on its face value nothing. Now if someone in a panel van was going door to door, running up to the door and twisting the knobs...totally different.
Started delivering papers a 9 y/o until I was 16. Had 300 plus papers to deliver. One of my purchases was a Beta tape machine. Worst purchase of my life to date.
The times I've had a cop pull me over while i was delivering papers, and as they got to the door looked in seen a stack of papers on my passenger seat(would always have the passenger side vanity light on), exclaimed " Oh, newspapers" (or something to that extent) and walked away is more then I can count on my fingers. Law enforcement offices on graveyard shift are generally very board individuals.
Being confronted by vigilantism as newspaper carrier over my 24 years of service is something you get used to. Usually being snarky to them embarrasses them enough to turn tail. Them: “What do you think you are doing?” Me: ”Uhm… delivering the newspaper. What the h*ll do you think you are doing?” Had an off-duty state cop (Indiana, in his cruiser) stop me twice but he never pulled his gun. Threatened to write me a citation for reckless driving the second time. I told him to please do it. He turned around and never bothered me again. P.S. that job with the South Bend Tribune paid for my three kids to attend private school all the way through high school and half of my house. Quit when they said I couldn’t go to my daughter’s graduation from Cornell.
While doing a newspaper motor route, I was pulled over by an on-duty cop in the wee hours one morning. The first words out of his mouth were, "What the hell is your problem?" He didn't ask for my ID at any time, nor tell me why he pulled me over. He can be glad that he didn't give me a ticket, as I surely would have fought it. I think the art of observation was not used by both of these policemen, nor was simple, logical deduction. It may be that it was simply a human mistake, but the AG is correct to have pursued it vigorously. We expect them to be more accountable because they have the power over us and can affect our lives and freedom, as well as administer death.
In Cincinnati there's a weekly community paper that used to be delivered by neighborhood kids. A few years ago they announced that they were looking for adults to deliver the paper. I canceled immediately. I only had the subscription to support the neighborhood kids who delivered it!
@@marshallmaxwell2494 okay. These kids were not delivering papers at 4am. It was an after school job, in the middle of the afternoon. In the 14 years I lived in the neighborhood the only crimes were cars getting broken into. No one was ever kidnapped, child or adult. This sounds like something you made up, not a fact born from data.
Let's be real, he knew the man was delivering papers. He knew that there was no crime... otherwise he would have called in immediately. This cop wanted to murder the delivery man. He wanted to create a situation, where he could "fear for his life" and thus kill the man without being charged.
Among the worst parts wud def be that the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police. "This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family." Tho the probs worst part is that the cop 100% told the guy “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” right after local officers arrived on the scene. Dude was a racist and had such an inflated ego that he cudnt stand knowin this Black teen wasnt arrested for makin him look like a fool; so he tried to get the kid fired instd and used the "im an officer" claim to make it out like his lies were more truthful
In my town, the paper delivery looks a lot like mail theft. The boxes for the paper are on the same post as the mailbox and the delivery guy drives a ratty jeep cherokee on the wrong side of the road at 5:30 through the neighborhood. I walk my dog at that time and thought it looked odd the first time I saw him, until I figured out it was just the guy delivering papers.
Among the worst parts wud def be that the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police. "This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family." Tho the probs worst part is that the cop 100% told the guy “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” right after local officers arrived on the scene. Dude was a racist and had such an inflated ego that he cudnt stand knowin this Black teen wasnt arrested for makin him look like a fool; so he tried to get the kid fired instd and used the "im an officer" claim to make it out like his lies were more truthful
There was a similar case on audit the audit but the off duty sheriff called it in that the paperman had a gun and threatened him. Possibly racism in that case.
@@stevepettersen3283 So heres the thing... The cop said this durin the altercation “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” So yea, it was 100% racism driven here. The cop was actin in a racist manner and even outright stated his racism, while multiple witnesses watched and many cameras recorded. He said that part rite after other local cops had arrived on the scene. Oh, also, this cop went home after this event and immediately wrote an email to the deliverypersons employer lyin and claimin that the person "reeked of marijuana" and other bullshit tryin to get the dude fired for makin a fool out of him at the gas station
Hi Steve thanks for the video! I look forward to your videos and your insight on the law. Much appreciated. Sending you my every best from Pennsylvania USA
I delivered the daily news paper in New York as a teenager. My route was apartment buildings. Didn't take me long to deliver, unless the elevators were broken. People like to have their paper delivered before they left home for work. And because I did, I got great tips especially during Christmas holidays. 😎✌
Way worse than trying to tell it in a description the video clip shows exactly how bad it was but I’m glad corrupt officials are sometimes getting charged
I work armed security at a local hospital. My coworker pulled into the authorized parking area in full uniform to report for his shift. After he got out of his car, he put on his duty belt and weapon, and then walked into the door to clock in and receive his report from the previous shift. Some concerned individuals had called to report a suspicious person in the parking area with a firearm. They had called armed security dispatch to report the armed security guard. Never underestimate the general public in their lack of understanding their surroundings.
I used to work for the local newspaper making and bundling newspapers for the carriers to pickup. First off they no longer want smaller routes that a kid could take they want only adults with cars for liability and efficiency. Newspaper subscription has gone down so low that most routes encompassed several miles of travel some times a mile between stops. But I have heard of carriers being harassed. One instance a man pulled a shotgun and ran in the road demanding what the carrier was doing slowly driving through his street. Most of the carriers did not get out of the car they just load up the seats and toss them out of the window, as they drive slowly down the road. Another story was a cop pulled over a carrier while he was delivering papers. He had his car full of newspapers and charged them with "littering", needless to say all it took was the owner of the newspaper(a literal big shot in town whose name had weight) to make a call to immediately have it dismissed.
@@lewiscoacher7781 I was simply opining on a third possibility to the OP's post. I really have no idea as to what you're going on about or the specious claims you've made.
did you see the story about a construction company building across from a school that made an eight foot tall " Where's Waldo " and move him about the construction site for the kids to find? He's on the crane one day, mixing concrete the next. But he is always unfolded , ouch !
A personal note to you Mr. Lehto: I do so enjoy watching your videos on the law. I have actually learned quite a bit about the law and the court system. Please don’t retire until you just can’t do this anymore!
The delivery guy in my neighborhood can be a little crazy sometimes, but I never thought about taking the law into my own hands. I get the guy is a cop, but he can still complain to the newspaper first.
Steve I had an afternoon route back in the late 60s early 70s. I just rode my around and did the deliveries. I was a very fit teen during those times. The worst I ever had was delivering a friends route and my route too in the summer heat of NC.
Because of my paper route, I wound up being fast enough to compete on the University track team. I was able to run with a bag of papers and made it into a game to beat my last time. 56 papers in 20 minutes was my tops. I had 3 years of training before my sophomore year of high school just running every morning.
@@mehameha4453 Yes when we were lean and mean we could do those types of things. Not now after 29+ years standing on concrete base with tile flooring. O the beauty and toughness of youth. Like a Rock!
I delivered papers while I was in the Navy. Cops would occasionally stop us, sometimes they would ask for a free copy but I never had spares. The guy that had the boxes and the kids carried cash, mind all in quarters. He also carried an Uzi machine pistol for protection. I did that side gig for a year, and bad guys tried to jack him three times for quarters. Interesting job.
I know they don't hire the smartest people as cops in the US, but thus guy must be really "special". I bet he got a lot of participation trophies as a kid.
The Pierce County Sheriff, Ed Troyer, did something similar back in 2019, to a black paper deliverer. He didn't draw his firearm, but he did misappropriate 911 and make false claims of alleged threats made on his life to dispatch that he later recanted to responders on scene, and said never happened, after following and harassing the man through his route for several blocks. The difference is, this cop in MI is being held accountable, while the Sheriff here in Tacoma just gets away with it. Apparently the line is aiming a gun at someone, which I would argue is too lax of a line, as by then it's too late, someone is definitely traumatized, and might get shot to boot.
Steve, thanks for helping me reminisce. A buddy had a route with our local afternoon paper & I subbed for him a few times wearing the bags over my shoulders and riding my bicycle. At that time the routes were bought and sold and each delivery boy worked to build up his route for profit and eventual sale. Customer service was important because if their paper was wet or sloppily placed you could lose business. A local story from the paper concerned a enterprising boy that saved 20k from his route as a down payment and his folks helped him buy his first house before he was 18.
100%, plus a hefty sprinklin of racism “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” - What the cop said to the deliveryperson while at the gas station and surrounded by witnesses and cameras.
I subbed for one of my employees newspaper route and it was a nightmare. Only 2 people on average on the street got the paper , tons of driving and half wanted it placed on their porch or inside their storm door because 90% if your customers are elderly.
Why would erratic driving require you to pull out a deadly weapon? Pointing a gun at someone is a death threat. Giving someone instructions with a gun pointed at them is coercion at risk of death. A cop should only be allowed to draw their gun in cases of true emergency where a death threat is necessary to ensure the protection of themself or someone else.
If this is the same story that correlates with the news stories, dash cam footage, and 911 call the officer made, this is going to be a slam dunk for prosecution. The officer is on audio recording ""There's a black male hanging out in the area he said he's 'just doing me' and he needs to be checked.' He was under no obligation to answer the officers questions so he said "Just doing me" and that made the officer mad. I believe at no point did the officer tell the driver in the initial confrontation he was an officer. He tried to justify use of deadly force by telling 911 the delivery man tried to ram him but he was scared of the man drawing his gun and was trying to get away.
You forgot the most racist part, the cop said this while the guy was bein illegally held by him at gunpoint at the gas station; “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” And yeah, he nvr announced he was an officer of the law until the gas station. This is also gonna be a slam dunk case on the civil side, tho the cop will try to claim qualified immunity despite actin outside of the law and while off duty.
Like Steve said...You would think that if the cop knows he's out of his jurisdiction, he would call the local PD and let them handle it. Off duty guy could follow at a safe distance and report what he "witnessed" to the locals.
The off duty cop’s ego lead him on, along with the entitled sense of Qualified Immunity which didn’t protect his butt this time. I have to ponder how many other citizens this jackbooted thug with a issued badge and handgun falsely accused in the past.
Steve , is it true that when you were born you hand delivered the birth announcement yourself ? And your first word wasn't Ma-ma or Pa-pa....... it was Pa-per ?
Newspaper delivery has changed from a part time pizza-money job to a new 'career'. smh I had to wonder about the involvement of another department AND the state police. After looking more into this situation, there was a lot more to it than is being presented.
The only time a copper ever stopped me when I did a paper round in the UK, was to tell me off for not stopping at a 'Halt Major Road Ahead' sign when on my bike.
Here in the UK i had a paper round for about 2 months delivering free papers, eventually i got fired because i sold the papers to two local fish and chip shops instead of delivering them, three times the money for 1/10th of the work. Good while it lasted.
I guess people won't buy fish and chips unless it has ink printed on the wrapper. Your employer should have realized they were missing out on a revenue stream and given you a raise for bringing it to their attention.
Just to be clear for foreign readers, this was back in the 80s when i was a kid, the newspapers were in 2 bags that weighed around as much as me, i was paid a penny per paper but fish and chip shops wrapped food in paper and paid me 2 pence per paper, they got a good deal and i got 3 pence per paper total, these days they have to buy food grade paper so it wouldn't work today.
This same thing happened to me about twenty five years ago in Monterey County in California! I was delivering the San Jose Mercury news paper at about three in the morning, when someone pulled a gun on me in a 7-11 parking lot, and made me lay down on the ground! I thought I was going to die! Turned out the guy was an off duty airport cop, and he thought I was stalking his girl friend who lived in an apartment complex where I delivered one paper. I sued him, and after about a couple years received a settlement of about nine thousand dollars, which was very little for the amount of time it took in court. The officer wasn't reprimanded at all, by the way. It was interesting that the police officers are represented by the most prestigious law firm in that area, and his representation would have cost many thousands of dollars if the firm was billing on an hourly basis!! Oh, by the way, for a buck and a quarter, the San Jose Mercury weekend edition is the biggest paper I have ever delivered! You cannot pick it up in one hand which makes it hard to throw! I don't think you could read the whole thing in a week! By contrast, the little news paper in the small town I live in now cost $1.50, and I can read it while waiting in line at the grocery store!!!
Always surprising when a cop catches charges for their crimes. It happens more often when they are off duty. Should have also been charged with unlawful arrest for detaining him. It's still not too late to drop the charges or give him a slap on the wrist. Delivery driver would have been justified in blasting him.
I was technically a District Manager, but with a dearth of carriers, delivered most of the small district myself in the very small hours. I will note the District was the most exclusive part of town. I drove up a lot of driveways. Once, when returning to my car I had a cop, in uniform but off duty, likely returning home at end of shift block me in. At gunpoint, my hands on the top of my car, he checked the interior of the car, saw the stack of that morning's paper on the seat, apologized and left. Never forgot that morning.
I delivered papers as well, until 1991 when they fired all the bike routes and transitioned to auto routes. I was 14 and was unable to deliver any longer.
@@lrmackmcbride7498 a misdemeanor is a slap on the wrist. It's the blue privilege. That type of special treatment for murderous thugs will do nothing but create another situation like in Dallas 2016. I only hope it happens in front of his family.
Most of what this guy did would not apply in washington state. The sheriff was in his jurisdiction. The police chief and sheriff are by definition always on duty. Further the brandishing law is different between states. I cannot say if the law could be applied to a police chief or sheriff since they are always considered to be on duty and on duty officers are allowed to point guns at suspects. I agree that situation was a disaster and I believe the legislature discussed requiring a state investigation into any incident involving sheriffs and police chiefs. I do not know what they decided to do on that one.
ive done that job my self for The Daily Iberian. part of what gets me is that i have heard police occasionally say " they are always on duty". this report is "an off duty officer". well which is it always on duty, of occasionally off duty. cause if they are always on duty , then the city and or the department could become culpable for actions of this officer in a lawsuit
They are either officially on or off duty, some however believe they are always on duty. A sheriff could consider themselves always on duty, since they are an elected official and not simply an employee of an agency.
@@aaronwebb7090 correct and i agree with you. the issue i bring up is when you hear of an off duty officer shoot a criminal for some reason, then is when you get the "always on duty" i know of no other job or profession outside of the military that has that mindset .if there are officially "off duty" hours then their official equipment should be kept at their place of employment. you dont see a construction worker taking home the bulldozer he operates everyday do you? a doctor doesnt bring home the charts of patients , or an ems worker drive home the unit they work out of. if an officer is off duty,driving home in the department vehicle and is involved in an accident, who is on the hook for the insurance. the officer? he was technically off duty, even tho he/she was in a department vehicle. there should be a line with this profession as with every other in this country.
I remember the paper delivery days very well. I began my delivery job in 1963. Morning delivery so all must be delivered early enough so as not to be late for school. Normal route size would be ~100 - when a route grew to 125 it would be broke up to downsize. I wanted to make more money so I got 2 routes. Was not so bad until Christmas time in which the Sunday paper with all adds could exceed 5 pounds. I had front and rear saddle bags on my bike plus my over shoulder bags. There were times when only 7 papers would fit in one bag so my total capacity was 42 papers and then back to the paper office where I would reload and continue on.... Conditions today would not permit a teenager to be out and about early morning in many areas. HOW TIMES have changed!
I delivered morning papers while in college. I got stopped once. Cop told me I ran a stop sign. I asked which one (cause I rolled them all -lol)? He let me off with a verbal warning. I left my Honda in 2cd gear and just cruised. Who else is out at 3 AM? No one except the cop. A friend I had while attending another college had a paper route and this one red light stayed on for 5 minutes, even @ 4 AM. He waited for 2 minutes and took off as no one was anywhere near. Sure enough, A. Ziffel rolled out from behind a bush and gave him a ticket.
This is a different case than the one with the Sherif of Police Chief. The guy delivering papers was driving a small car and was in their 20s or 30s. This case doesn't involve the sheriff or chief and it has a Teen driving a van. But I remember the video you are talking about.
It still amazes me how long it takes to charge cops who break the law. Citizen pulls gun on someone.....arrested same day. Cops does same....takes over 1 year to be charged.
Come on, every once in a while you just need to draw-down on these paper people, and maybe rough them up a bit, or the next thing you know they'll be selling magazines door-to-door. Hats off to those holding this psychopath responsible! 👏 👏 👏
Steve there have been several of these exact situations with newspaper delivery people. Usually instigated by off duty cops under the guise of neighborhood watches at 5am in the morning. There is no doubt as to what these paper delivery drivers are doing, as they are continuing to move the entire time they are working. The excuses the off duty and on duty officers use to detain the worker are stupid at best. I'm more impressed that something actually was done here.
This guy took it to the next level when he called it in as officer in distress
No need to say "5am in the morning". am means in the morning.
@@soundhealer6043 You have to remember, not everyone is aware of AM and PM and their meanings. Common sense is NOT common.
I some cases they do stop. For big tippers or long time elderly clients, some drivers will put the paper on the porch. Police should know that but they tend to be stupid about what working people do.
Even the fully uniformed postal delivery guys are harassed by "off-duty" cops
I delivered papers in my small hometown, along with my best friend, from age 11 to 16. Our routes adjoined each other, and we lived next door to each other, so in the summers, my friend and I would combine our routes, and hang out while doing our deliveries.
We saw the cops almost daily, (the police department was actually on my route) and never had an interaction until one morning when some cop, for whatever reason, decided to hassle us. He stopped us and started with the usual "where are you going? Where are you coming from? Why are you out at night (it was 4 am)?"
We stood there, paper bags on our shoulders in disbelief. This cop was determined that we were a pair of arch criminals, and wasn't letting us proceed. We didn't have ID on us (we were 14), and he was on a major power trip. After what seemed like 30 minutes of interrogation, a different cop showed up and chewed the first cop's ass for delaying delivery of the paper. We were released to finish our route.
With some of these officers, once they've decided that you're up to something, no amount of common sense can dissuade them.
Yup. That's when you hear the line "you're going to stay right here until I figure this out".
@@MsCriticalthinker201 "Well you stay here and figure it out. I've got papers to deliver."
Uncontrolled egos can be so dangerous.
@@ashkebora7262 unfortunatly that's when they shoot you in the back for resisting arrest.
They let people be cops by their IQ. This tells me they hire dummies.
Police in the 1980s: _"Oh, he's tossing newspapers inside bags, he must be delivering newspapers."_
Police in the 2020s: _"Oh, he's tossing newspapers inside bags, he must be doing something illegal!"_
Police today: everybody is guilty of something, if we pull them over, we will find something.
Best cover operation for drugs delivery ;-]
Not disagreeing with the problems with police, I am simple stating that the issue isn't that stuff like this didn't happen in the 80s, it's that you never would have heard about it if it did
@@toddmetzger OK Barney. Put your bullet back in your shirt pocket and call sheriff Andy. Are you from Mayberry?🥴
Better kill a dog just to make sure
Happy to see this. Cops shouldn't be above the law and should always be charged to the fullest extent of the law when they choose to do wrong.
Yes, I agree Shane. 👍
Law Enforcement has to be held to a higher standard because of the authority they have been given.
We are seeing far too many stories of police mistakenly shooting people engaged in lawful activities as well as arresting people for doing nothing illegal and then having to go to court only to have the charges dropped by the judge.
No consequences for cops who make up flimsy charges and cost the public untold waste of time and money?
There must be better transparency, better accountability, and better TRAINING for these cops.
@@skippylippy547 as a non-us person, I'd say the transparency is good enough over there, it's the accountability (QI is just madness to me) and training that are lacking/non existant
The cop was fired by the city, but then re-instated to the force by an arbitrator. So he is a cop right now again.
@@BillySBC I hope for the population that the arbitrator didn't specify that he was to be allowed a gun and on patrol again and instead he's in the archive filing paperwork...
Wait until the police union steps in defending this off duty cop
I worked as a security guard at an industrial complex and had the police called om me a half dozen time. There's always some dimwit who calls the police about a suspicious person and are blind to the fact that I'm wearing a uniform. The joy of being face down and being cuffed on hot pavement, even though you are wearing a shirt with reflective six-inch lettering saying 'SECURITY' made me lose respect for my local police. among other things.
It's astonishing how violently police are allowed to treat innocent citizens...
Are you black?
There is a reason why that happens. One of the best covers to rob places on an industrial parks is to turn up in high vis gear, often marked security or similar. Usually no one questions a group of people who look like they belong, this let's them case places by walking fence lines or during the break in itself spend their time emptying a warehouse while no one bothers them. Having 2 or 3 guys with vests marked security and a vehicle with a security style decal (or one that says alarm response/electrical engineering) is a great way to rob a warehouse that's alarmed too. People see a few security staff and an engineer stood around the door on a site with its alarm going off, they assume it's been dealt with as a fault when in reality theres someone round back loading a van full of stuff they are stealing.
Also if they get caught, impersonating security staff doesn't add to the charges and in the US can let them be openly armed without raising suspicion.
1 + 1 = i don't care, I'm wearing "police" uniform which make me higher up the food chain than you.
The best thing this industrial park ever did for its security was open a late night teenage venue on the site. Police were there every night in numbers
This is great. Let's also acknowledge reality and take a moment to reflect on the vast majority of police abuse cases where the cop is never held accountable.
Boy you are ignorant. The vast majority aren’t held accountable because the vast majority are justified you dolt.
the only union conservatives will back is the boys in blue, i wonder why that is, do rich old crones need jackboots thugs to protect their thieving lives and corrupt schemes.
Well said fury!
@@skippylippy547 but that's exactly why some of these lunatics join the blue line gang. They use the badge and gun to terrorize anybody for any reason, it's for their own sick self gratification.
Because they could lie and get away with it,
then along came the Camara Phone.
THE GREATEST TOOL FOR HOLDING POLICE ACCOUNTABLE
I had a gun drawn on me by an On-Duty cop while I was delivering papers in the morning. I was 12 and the towns biggest crime in years was someone grabbing some smokes off the counter at the gas station and driving off before being caught a few minutes later.
What kinda idiot pulls a gun on a 12 year old for any reason short of it waving around a gun?
How did your parents react? When my son was that age I'd have gone "scorched earth" going to everyone from the press to his bosses to CPS.
@@michigangeezer3950 My mom was standing right there screaming “Don’t shoot my son!” It never occurred to them to sue, and the town doesn’t have any money anyway. We were just happy to go home.
@@modelcitizen1977 I don't know about suing, but seeing the schmuck fired hard enough to cause him to leave law enforcement entirely would have been nice.
Even just being known as "that guy", and never seeing another promotion, or getting stuck with the bad shifts for all eternity, would be something.
When these incidents happen, at the time of the actual confrontation, the cop can readily realize what is going on BUT at that point they have called it in so they have to try and find something for ego purposes....
So basically this cop doubled-down on stupid instead of admitting he overreacted?
Yep. I saw something that looked suspicious in my neighborhood. I was in my car, turned around, and drove back by, saw that it was actually nothing, and moved along to my house. I didn't holler at the guy or pull a gun on him, imagine that.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Well, you're not a trained LEO, are you? Maybe they had an outstanding warrant? Maybe those kids did not show you the proper respect when you drove by and need to be taught a lesson in boot-licking?
@@ianbattles7290 they're trained to double down
Yeah, this cop def knew exactly what he was doin...
Immediately after this happened, the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police.
"This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family."
When I was 16 I started delivering newspapers. I start about 2am and be done by 5. Everytime there was a new cop on the night shift, I'd get pulled over. Everytime they'd seem to struggle to understand my job and why I was driving like a drunk.
Now explain it again for me.
@@BlackJesus8463 and again and again and again and ....................
Cops are slow in the head I think sometimes. I never got it. I worked a late shift at one job and would getting home at 4-5am and when there is new officer who took the area i lived in almost like clockwork I'd get pulled over. Me in a khaki pants and a polo shirt that said either Slackware or something geeky and a name badge that said where I worked. It would take me everything in my power not to cuss them out. (Anyone would get the clues and think oh this person must work in IT and does work late nights) But we have to go through the same rigmarole ever god damn time. Where am I going? Home. Where did I come from? Work at X Why am I out so late? Cause I do the night shift.
I swear cops are idiots.
You steelin them newspapers boy? Selling them for that marijuana? I got my eye on yew.
True. I had bags front and back riding a bicycle. But cops would stop me harass me. If I gave them my info it always went on and on. Learned quick it was easier to not carry any ID then sit down and refuse to speak with them a single word they would have to get a supervisor who would try the same curbside interrogation. Make threats, always told me to sit as they went back to their cars. Sometimes sat in their and talked for an hour, my boss shown up before because papers were delayed. Then rudely, they never one single time came back out, apologized and said I’m free to go. They just drove off without saying another word. Knowing they were wrong, couldn’t do anything, and were just there harassing a kid that would be happy to show the world their evil.
I told my granddaughter that I was a paperboy. “What’s that?” ,she asked. I could only reply “ That’s a boy made of paper.” Her Dad finally took over.
Once in a great while I'll happen to be out when a newspaper delivery person goes by, weaving crazily down the street. Because it happens so seldom, it always takes me a few second to figure out what they're doing. But ONLY a few seconds! What's wrong with these cops?
That's an excellent question. 👍
When your only tool is a gun everything starts to look like a target.
Technically though, you're not supposed to drive on the opposite side of the street, even if it's to deliver newspapers. Most police will take into account what you're doing though and let you slide
What is wrong with these cops?They are cops.
inandof myself I blame Quotas, or performance standards, or whatever they are calling them these days. 'We expect you to count x number of interactions with the public' :D
Piece County sheriff called in a carrier as "suspicious" maybe with a gun in Jan of 2021. He was eventually charges with 2 counts of false reporting.
He's holding some kind of a weapon! I need backup!
@@BlackJesus8463 only a dog would think of a rolled up newspaper as a weapon. 😅
Not just an off-duty cop, you might expect better from the county sheriff, but of course they are just as bad.
From a Seattle Time story:
A July 11 trial date has been set for Pierce County Sheriff Ed Troyer on two misdemeanor charges related to his controversial January confrontation with a Black newspaper carrier.
Troyer was charged in October by the state Attorney General’s office with one count of false reporting and one count of making a false or misleading statement to a civil servant for calling in a police response on Sedrick Altheimer, who was delivering newspapers on his regular route in Tacoma on Jan. 26.
After following Altheimer in his personal SUV and winding up in a standoff, Troyer, who is white, told a 911 dispatcher in a 2 a.m. call that Altheimer had threatened to kill him. But he walked back the claim when questioned by a Tacoma police officer, according to an incident report.
It was 2am he was probably intoxicated coming home from the bar
I think it's ironic that a cop carrying a gun is scared of an unarmed person. What good is that gun if you are still terrified of everyone???
Yeah, and if he's doing this while he's off duty, just imagine how he's acting while he's on duty.
whats telling is that he doesn't work in the town he lives in, he probably did at one point but probably already had some sketchy altercations and was allowed to "resign and move on" rather than get disciplined or fired. it's a disgusting practice but it happens all the time.
Givdn the cop sent an email to the deliverypersons employer with bullshit lies about him smellin of marijuana; im wagerin this cop is doin all sorts of illegal shit both on and off duty.
As the daughter of a retired cop, these are the exact types of cops that need to be eradicated from all police forces. My father was a state trooper - very straight laced. In my late teens and twenties, I often drove out-of-state and my father urged me to not get off of the main highways. He also told me that if any Sherriff's deputy in a remote area attempted to pull me over for any reason, to drive slowly and deliberately to a lit area with other people, as local sheriff's departments often hire "bad seeds" out of nepotism or for political favors. I was recently assaulted by a police officer using his vehicle because I was leaving my parents neighborhood at 1:00am for DWP - driving while poor. The officer didn't like my 18 year old Mazda. We didn't wreck because I don't panic in true emergencies the way most people do.
Until this country starts paying to hire better quality officers, the bad will continue to be employed. Simply saying "more training" is NOT the answer. You cannot train stupid.
I've seen it all as well, used to be a paperboy with my brothers, never a problem cuz our neighborhood was cut off by the freeway and VERY hard to get to.
2 paperboys were kidnapped & vanished forever same week Johnny Gosch and Eugene Martin - then the Hoffman twins tiny guys on my 8th grade parochial Football league team were Executed Dwntwn cleaning their Grandfathers office in Des Moines Iowa
Thats when Evil came to small town USA mid 70s
And your dads right
Those hick Deputies are dangerous Esp to Women alone.
Notice Crime rates have dropped Dramatically Since DNA testing became a thing and Security cams are EVERYWHERE? homes businesses schools gov blds etc??
And that 10s of 1000s of rape kits go untested and warehoused NATIONWIDE.
Wanna know WHY?
cuz its been COPS raping women they pull over and if they test those rape kits theres gonna be 100k PLUS cops arrested imprisoned
30% decrease in crime ACROSS THE BOARD why such a dramatic drop??
CELL PHONES SECURITY CAMS COP CAMS etc and it's become apparent that with the MANY MANY exonerations of illegally imprisoned people that cops have been MAKING STUFF UP CONSTANTLY and then BOOM suddenly theres a 30% crime DECREASE?
despite a LARGER POORER population??
Nope it was Cops all along arresting people illegally LYING on reports
Your dad might have been a Straight cop MOST ARE NOT
Germany where I've been 16 yrs its 3yrs Uni level training and Psych cases are a NO GO and theres MULTIPLE YRS of Follow up supervisory training.
Bonus??
POLIZEI are super polite and nice here
Hate to be a nitpicker 😉, but you actually can "train stupid". It's called "police academy".
Now if you meant "can't train the stupidity out of stupid people" then I'm inclined to agree! 😄
@@coolraul07 Fortunately, I know better than that. There are good police officers out there. Unfortunately many of them have quit since delusional fools utilizing no intelligence nor fact, invented the stupid concept of "defund the police".
@@coolraul07 you can train the ignorant. Thats what training is for. You cannot rehabilitate stupidly or bad behavior until there is accountability.
In this guys case, its... You cant retrain racists >.>
"When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this." The officer in this case literally said this to the dude while at the gss station and many witnesses and cameras were there to gather the evidence that will be used in a civil case to prove the cop violated his 14th amendment rights
There's footage on UA-cam of the altercation. As always it's even sadder than what the official police media release describes.
You tease! Where’s the link??
I also want a link.
I saw one last year where it was the chief of police, in the middle of the night and he also called it in as a much more severe incident than it was. When multiple departments arrived, they found that he had blocked the man's car in and wouldn't let him leave.
I had seen a similar one on lackluster, but I don't think it's the same story.
@@HH-ru4bj no it isn't that one was a Sheriff that called 911 and lied saying the guy said he was going kill him and like 50 cops showed up
ALL sentences should be served CONSECUTIVELY!!!
Exactly, we need to make an example out of this cop to show the public that this type of behavior will not be tolerated or looked upon lightly.
Hi Steve
Just to let you know that this story has been on UA-cam , I believe, a few months back. Anyway, the off-duty cop had twice threatened, to police despatch, that he was going to shoot the Black delivery driver. Furthermore the cop, using his drawn gun, illegally detained the driver at a nearby gas station until the regular police arrived. Afterwards, the delivery driver was so traumatised that he resigned from his delivery job.
It seems to me, looking at this story from London, that you have a lot of itchy fingered cops that really have no right to be police officers, let alone carry firearms, but should instead be psych evaluated for fitness to do the job.
Poorly trained and working in a country where anyone could be carrying a gun and might use it.
@@grahvis poorly trained is right, it takes more training to be a certified hairdresser that it does to be a cop. most cops were bullies in high school, usually on one of the sports teams, good enough to be revered in high school but too lazy and too dumb to make it to the next level and college, it's the perfect job for them, they get to bully people and get a way with it and make good money and not have to go to college. the standards need to be raised.
Really its bad supervision, and not enough complaints stick. The management didnt make sure this cop knew that he shouldnt be escalating situations, but they dont often train on that in this county.
@@grahvis White goon/black teenager with a job. Try to keep up.......
@@grahvis Thank god for the second ammendment! The safest parts of our country also happen to be where firearms are the least regulated. In many big cities only the criminals have guns. I'm not sure any amount of training could help a cop like this. This is pure stupidity and ego. They guy shouldn't be a cop or have a job with any level of responsiblity or decision making.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
Delivered thousands of papers every night for a few years. Helped with paper delivery for 12 years. It was a family business and we may not have known all of the police or sheriffs by name but they knew our operation pretty well! This is just astonishing. I don't know what I'd have done if someone did this to me in the middle of my paper route.
It's been ~7 years but i bet i could ask 1/2 the local pd/sheriffs and many would still know of the khaki metallic jeep liberty that delivered newspapers for almost a decade.
@@KameraShy you sound like an off duty cop
If only the cop was smart enough to confiscate the subscription fees
He could claim Civil Asset Forfeiture, give a share to the local police district
Getting all the forces involved guaranties he will never be held accountable
And Hey! , free drinks at the bar tonight
Cop could have just take the Van.
There's truth in that
Except, hes not up against an individual if he did that - he wouldve been up against the towns newpaper (its their money hed be taking) - who probably has connections to every major player in town, including direct access to the public for telling their side of the story. Not such a smart move.
@@staryoke the delivery guy is an independent worker. The paper would be just as likely to have billed him for the lost money and blamed him for the failed deliveries.
I was a paperboy for the Midland Daily News. The guy to whom I answered was exactly that sort.
As the youngest of 12 kids, I finished a family tradition that lasted 28 years delivering our local newspaper. Also, Sunday mornings delivering papers in our dads truck. The memories will last a life time.
Wow! That's awesome to hear! At our place we've had three generations of a few families working there at the same time for many years, both in office and as carriers. Kids that were in car seats have their own routes as I'm sure you can relate.
When I had a paper route back in the 70's, collecting was the hard part, at least with some customers. They would keep putting me off, or not answer the door despite the fact I knew they were home. I had one customer who repeatedly refused to answer the door. I got ticked-off and knocked so hard I accidentally cracked the window on the door. The customer complained and wanted me to pay for the window, so I asked what made them think it was me (since they never answered). Needless to say, their window didn't get paid for.
In the UK, doors have letter boxes. One house had a dog which as soon as you started to put the paper through, would rip it out of your hand.
I don't know what state their paper was in after that, but they never complained.
I had to cut off a classmate's family because they also wouldn't pay nor answer the door when they were clearly home. I cut them off until they paid up and switched to pre-pay to the office. It had to be awkward for my classmate, as his family had money (or at least the appearance of it) while my family was dirt poor...
When I delivered papers, I had the same problem. My worst customer was a state cop. His daughter was so hot though, a total bitch, but cute as hell.
@@positively_broad_st3780 That's ALWAYS the way of it
I had two cops on my paper route. One called the paper, Memphis Press Simatar, to complaine becouse I went to his house to collect, no one had told me that cops don't pay, I had to pay the paper for their copies.
this is what happens when the police think there above the law . they've been getting away with stuff like this for so long , for them its normal .
When I was a District Manager with the local paper, two things about cops I noticed. 1) most of the time they couldn’t leave the stop fast enough when they figured out I was delivering papers, 2) most of them couldn’t tell the truth about why they stopped me in the first place. It was mind boggling, the truth was easy and made sense, I was an out of town car they hadn’t seen driving about a neighborhood randomly shining houses with a flashlight looking for an address and then pulling into driveways. But could they say that? Not most of them.
You cannot pull someone over for simply being suspicious. Of course, it's hard to tell what cops are _supposed_ to do by watching them, because they never do _only_ what they're supposed to.
Even the nice ones.
@@ashkebora7262 you respond like someone who has not experienced a cop lying to you. Are you not aware that they can legally lie to you?
@@QuietRiverBear Yes, that is ALSO fucked up. It is also unrelated. They have to have a valid reason to interrupt your day, or else it's harassment.
Lying comes AFTER they have a valid reason to talk to you. No that does not mean I believe cops get in trouble for doing it. Cops don't get in trouble for 98% of the shit they pull.
@@ashkebora7262 you’re not reading what I wrote or trying to make some other point that is only tangental related to what I wrote because your responses are nearly non-sequitur, they don’t follow very well. The cops had a valid reason, their reason was self evident, the reason they gave me was often a lie, laughably so. They didn’t need to lie yet they did. I knew this because I was there and knew what I did. I’m not going to speculate why, only relating that they did because they could. Why are you trying to ‘correct’ what I wrote to fit your experience and knowledge?
@@QuietRiverBear If you had part of a functioning brain, you'd realize I'm agreeing with you and not bringing up a different point.
As a kid I delivered papers in the morning. I usually cut thru a yard to say a few steps. One day the cops showed up at my family's door. They asked if I had seen anyone in the area. The garage had been broken into. I said I didn't do it and the cops agreed. They followed my footprints thru the wet grass and saw i never went near the garage.
Music - I think you did it.
@@stevejette2329 no he didn't...i did it..
@@rodneybrand8521 Anything you say can and will be used
I am Spartacus!
I thought of doing it. Then got confused and dozed off.
The cops always “escalate “ situations this is why this happened. Just watch the videos of people recording out in public., police always harassing and escalating those situations also.
Because it results in a bigger arrest, and police promotions are for the most part based on arrests.
They're looking for bribes.
We read about a lot of the times when cops DON'T 'escalate' the situations and complain that the should have done something.
@@OneWildTurkey you might be reading that ., no one else is. They escalate every situation they “get involved” in., especially people out in the public recording court houses and police stations, post offices, jails, power companies., oil refineries, anything that’s in public view.
@@OneWildTurkey For me, I am more of a better not to trample all over someone's constitutionally given rights by escalating something that is on its face value nothing.
Now if someone in a panel van was going door to door, running up to the door and twisting the knobs...totally different.
This story made my day.. I remember seeing this on UA-cam a long while back. Nice to know that there will be a happy ending..
Started delivering papers a 9 y/o until I was 16. Had 300 plus papers to deliver. One of my purchases was a Beta tape machine. Worst purchase of my life to date.
The times I've had a cop pull me over while i was delivering papers, and as they got to the door looked in seen a stack of papers on my passenger seat(would always have the passenger side vanity light on), exclaimed " Oh, newspapers" (or something to that extent) and walked away is more then I can count on my fingers.
Law enforcement offices on graveyard shift are generally very board individuals.
I wooden call them board.
@@jonwoolsey You are 'knot' trying to start something are you? :D
He wasn't on graveyard. He was off duty and out of his jurisdiction.
Being confronted by vigilantism as newspaper carrier over my 24 years of service is something you get used to. Usually being snarky to them embarrasses them enough to turn tail. Them: “What do you think you are doing?” Me: ”Uhm… delivering the newspaper. What the h*ll do you think you are doing?” Had an off-duty state cop (Indiana, in his cruiser) stop me twice but he never pulled his gun. Threatened to write me a citation for reckless driving the second time. I told him to please do it. He turned around and never bothered me again.
P.S. that job with the South Bend Tribune paid for my three kids to attend private school all the way through high school and half of my house. Quit when they said I couldn’t go to my daughter’s graduation from Cornell.
While doing a newspaper motor route, I was pulled over by an on-duty cop in the wee hours one morning. The first words out of his mouth were, "What the hell is your problem?" He didn't ask for my ID at any time, nor tell me why he pulled me over.
He can be glad that he didn't give me a ticket, as I surely would have fought it.
I think the art of observation was not used by both of these policemen, nor was simple, logical deduction. It may be that it was simply a human mistake, but the AG is correct to have pursued it vigorously. We expect them to be more accountable because they have the power over us and can affect our lives and freedom, as well as administer death.
In Cincinnati there's a weekly community paper that used to be delivered by neighborhood kids. A few years ago they announced that they were looking for adults to deliver the paper. I canceled immediately. I only had the subscription to support the neighborhood kids who delivered it!
It's less likely that Adults get kidnapped especially driving cars. No one wants their kids taking delivering newspapers.
They had teenage girls delivering your paper huh.
@@marshallmaxwell2494 okay.
These kids were not delivering papers at 4am. It was an after school job, in the middle of the afternoon. In the 14 years I lived in the neighborhood the only crimes were cars getting broken into. No one was ever kidnapped, child or adult. This sounds like something you made up, not a fact born from data.
@@BlackJesus8463 what?
@@AeroGuy07 In most scenarios, they delivery papers before the sun come up.
Some folks can’t be trusted with authority.
Let's be real, he knew the man was delivering papers. He knew that there was no crime... otherwise he would have called in immediately.
This cop wanted to murder the delivery man. He wanted to create a situation, where he could "fear for his life" and thus kill the man without being charged.
Among the worst parts wud def be that the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police.
"This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family."
Tho the probs worst part is that the cop 100% told the guy “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” right after local officers arrived on the scene.
Dude was a racist and had such an inflated ego that he cudnt stand knowin this Black teen wasnt arrested for makin him look like a fool; so he tried to get the kid fired instd and used the "im an officer" claim to make it out like his lies were more truthful
In my town, the paper delivery looks a lot like mail theft. The boxes for the paper are on the same post as the mailbox and the delivery guy drives a ratty jeep cherokee on the wrong side of the road at 5:30 through the neighborhood. I walk my dog at that time and thought it looked odd the first time I saw him, until I figured out it was just the guy delivering papers.
They should buy old postal Jeeps. Right-hand drive will fix the issue nicely.
Another butt-hurt cop ego. It’s unlikely, but he should do prison time….and of course lose his pension and firearms privileges when he gets out.
@Commie Hammer After being convicted of a felony pretty sure they move to the revoked privilege category
Firearm rights...
@@killjoy1887 Rights can be revoked by the court. I.e. incarceration. Owning and carring firearms is a right in the US
pull his post certificate so he cant work as an leo
Among the worst parts wud def be that the cop sent this email to the dudes employer and tried to get him fired for this and made up lies of him reekin of marijuana and bein uncooperative with the police.
"This morning at approximately 709 am I noticed a suspicious vehicle stopped in the roadway in front of my residence, (Shadybrook Ln, Dewitt). I asked the driver if he was lost. He responded, ” I’m just me doing me.” I promptly called 911 for the suspicious activity and followed the vehicle. We have had recent stolen vehicles and larceny from automobiles in our neighborhood. The driver fit the description of the accused. While following the vehicle it attempted to ram my vehicle several times. (Side note- I am a police officer and am trained in suspicious activity and felonious assault.). I drew my weapon and Identified myself as a police officer and told him to stop. The driver drove to a gas station at Airport Rd near Clark Rd. The driver started driving recklessly around the parking lot until PD arrived. The driver smelled of marijuana and was uncooperative with PD. The driver identified himself as an LSJ delivery driver, something he should have told me at first contact. I have decided to not press charges on felonious assault but I would like if he were put on a separate route for my safety and the safety if my family."
Tho the probs worst part is that the cop 100% told the guy “When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” right after local officers arrived on the scene.
Dude was a racist and had such an inflated ego that he cudnt stand knowin this Black teen wasnt arrested for makin him look like a fool; so he tried to get the kid fired instd and used the "im an officer" claim to make it out like his lies were more truthful
This also happened in Tacoma Washington, the sheriff was charged with false reporting.
Glad that somewhere it's recognized that enforcers of the law must also abide by it.
There was a similar case on audit the audit but the off duty sheriff called it in that the paperman had a gun and threatened him.
Possibly racism in that case.
Paper carrier was black in this case as well - Id bet racism in this case too.
@@TuneStunnaMusic So when both the cop and paper deliverer are black are you guys going to label it as racism also?
@@stevepettersen3283 if you agree with this white cop harassing the paperboy just because of his skin color just say so.
@@TuneStunnaMusic So you're calling him a boy? Hmm...
@@stevepettersen3283 So heres the thing... The cop said this durin the altercation
“When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.”
So yea, it was 100% racism driven here. The cop was actin in a racist manner and even outright stated his racism, while multiple witnesses watched and many cameras recorded. He said that part rite after other local cops had arrived on the scene.
Oh, also, this cop went home after this event and immediately wrote an email to the deliverypersons employer lyin and claimin that the person "reeked of marijuana" and other bullshit tryin to get the dude fired for makin a fool out of him at the gas station
Hi Steve thanks for the video! I look forward to your videos and your insight on the law. Much appreciated. Sending you my every best from Pennsylvania USA
I delivered the daily news paper in New York as a teenager. My route was apartment buildings. Didn't take me long to deliver, unless the elevators were broken. People like to have their paper delivered before they left home for work. And because I did, I got great tips especially during Christmas holidays.
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That shirt made me so nostalgic. Now I absolutely "have" to see Blues Brothers again.
We have both kinds of music, country and western..
@@jonathanjohnson8656 :D
Way worse than trying to tell it in a description the video clip shows exactly how bad it was but I’m glad corrupt officials are sometimes getting charged
I had a paper route, too, on my street as well. I loved it!! Oh, the 80's!!
This calls into question, a reasonable Officer, of reasonable intelligence. 🙄
So hard to find that reasonably intelligent Officer today
that's because they have limits on IQ. 110 is the upper limit most places. Most cops are rocking low 90s
I work armed security at a local hospital. My coworker pulled into the authorized parking area in full uniform to report for his shift. After he got out of his car, he put on his duty belt and weapon, and then walked into the door to clock in and receive his report from the previous shift.
Some concerned individuals had called to report a suspicious person in the parking area with a firearm.
They had called armed security dispatch to report the armed security guard.
Never underestimate the general public in their lack of understanding their surroundings.
Too many idiots now out in public
I had the neighborhood split with my brothers for delivery and this officer is a problem
In general , they do not hire them based on their level of intelligence.
Great story, thank you. Is that a Bobs Country Bunker shirt?! GOOD LORD thats awesome sir!
Thanks, sort of reminds me of my experience wit too many cops over the last 50 years........
I used to work for the local newspaper making and bundling newspapers for the carriers to pickup. First off they no longer want smaller routes that a kid could take they want only adults with cars for liability and efficiency. Newspaper subscription has gone down so low that most routes encompassed several miles of travel some times a mile between stops. But I have heard of carriers being harassed. One instance a man pulled a shotgun and ran in the road demanding what the carrier was doing slowly driving through his street. Most of the carriers did not get out of the car they just load up the seats and toss them out of the window, as they drive slowly down the road. Another story was a cop pulled over a carrier while he was delivering papers. He had his car full of newspapers and charged them with "littering", needless to say all it took was the owner of the newspaper(a literal big shot in town whose name had weight) to make a call to immediately have it dismissed.
He needs to be charged with attempted murder.He called it in as law officer in distress. 20 cops showed up.
Save me time. Didn't the off duty cop say a gun was pulled on him when calling police ?
@@1158scott No but he said the guy threaten to kill him
Ben bridging the gap between the wing and the roof of "71".
Imagine putting your job in jeopardy and getting charged with 5 felonies *just because you didn't like the paperboy...*
At 8:24, when you said ..."he somehow got involved"..., you made a hand gesture. Was it a gesture for a firearm, or the letter "L" for loser?
both
They could've just been waving their hand 👋.
@@lewiscoacher7781 I was simply opining on a third possibility to the OP's post. I really have no idea as to what you're going on about or the specious claims you've made.
did you see the story about a construction company building across from a school that made an eight foot tall " Where's Waldo " and move him about the construction site for the kids to find? He's on the crane one day, mixing concrete the next. But he is always unfolded , ouch !
A personal note to you Mr. Lehto:
I do so enjoy watching your videos on the law. I have actually learned quite a bit about the law and the court system. Please don’t retire until you just can’t do this anymore!
The delivery guy in my neighborhood can be a little crazy sometimes, but I never thought about taking the law into my own hands. I get the guy is a cop, but he can still complain to the newspaper first.
Nooooo, a cop overstepping his duties, boundries, laws? It happens all the time and they get away with it; this is a very rare exception.
Ben - Laying on top of the rear wing of the 71 car.
Good grief son....
I believe you could see 👀 in the dark
What's really suspicious is who's buying newspapers anymore?
I'll buy one when I have to fly or am stuck someplace like that.
They are good for cleaning windows.
@@mexicanspec Newspaper is said to have no lint, but I can't help but think that some of the ink is going to rub off onto the glass...
@@DanEBoyd I have used it for years. It leaves the windows really clean when used with glass cleaner. If it does leave a little ink, you can't tell.
@@mexicanspec It's the paraffin in the ink, so they're great for drying the windows without smearing the glass.
At first, I thought you said a dimwitted officer. Turns out, I wasn't that far off. Lol
Steve I had an afternoon route back in the late 60s early 70s. I just rode my around and did the deliveries. I was a very fit teen during those times. The worst I ever had was delivering a friends route and my route too in the summer heat of NC.
Because of my paper route, I wound up being fast enough to compete on the University track team. I was able to run with a bag of papers and made it into a game to beat my last time. 56 papers in 20 minutes was my tops. I had 3 years of training before my sophomore year of high school just running every morning.
@@mehameha4453 Yes when we were lean and mean we could do those types of things. Not now after 29+ years standing on concrete base with tile flooring. O the beauty and toughness of youth. Like a Rock!
I delivered papers while I was in the Navy. Cops would occasionally stop us, sometimes they would ask for a free copy but I never had spares. The guy that had the boxes and the kids carried cash, mind all in quarters. He also carried an Uzi machine pistol for protection. I did that side gig for a year, and bad guys tried to jack him three times for quarters. Interesting job.
I know they don't hire the smartest people as cops in the US, but thus guy must be really "special". I bet he got a lot of participation trophies as a kid.
Hundo, unfolded, across the top of the #71 Daytona, on the top right center of the main cabinet. 14.
14 is good
The Pierce County Sheriff, Ed Troyer, did something similar back in 2019, to a black paper deliverer. He didn't draw his firearm, but he did misappropriate 911 and make false claims of alleged threats made on his life to dispatch that he later recanted to responders on scene, and said never happened, after following and harassing the man through his route for several blocks. The difference is, this cop in MI is being held accountable, while the Sheriff here in Tacoma just gets away with it. Apparently the line is aiming a gun at someone, which I would argue is too lax of a line, as by then it's too late, someone is definitely traumatized, and might get shot to boot.
I thought this was gonna be about Ed actually. That was such BS that Ed did🤬😡🤬
This is easy to figure out, the cops being hired now days cant read so he wasn't aware of what a news paper delivery driver is.
Steve, thanks for helping me reminisce. A buddy had a route with our local afternoon paper & I subbed for him a few times wearing the bags over my shoulders and riding my bicycle. At that time the routes were bought and sold and each delivery boy worked to build up his route for profit and eventual sale. Customer service was important because if their paper was wet or sloppily placed you could lose business. A local story from the paper concerned a enterprising boy that saved 20k from his route as a down payment and his folks helped him buy his first house before he was 18.
Sounds like a case of big ego, small IQ and bad judgement.
Add a pistol and tazer to that mix - the results could be deadly.
100%, plus a hefty sprinklin of racism
“When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.” - What the cop said to the deliveryperson while at the gas station and surrounded by witnesses and cameras.
So, they threw the public a bone.
I subbed for one of my employees newspaper route and it was a nightmare. Only 2 people on average on the street got the paper , tons of driving and half wanted it placed on their porch or inside their storm door because 90% if your customers are elderly.
Why would erratic driving require you to pull out a deadly weapon? Pointing a gun at someone is a death threat. Giving someone instructions with a gun pointed at them is coercion at risk of death. A cop should only be allowed to draw their gun in cases of true emergency where a death threat is necessary to ensure the protection of themself or someone else.
If this is the same story that correlates with the news stories, dash cam footage, and 911 call the officer made, this is going to be a slam dunk for prosecution. The officer is on audio recording ""There's a black male hanging out in the area he said he's 'just doing me' and he needs to be checked.' He was under no obligation to answer the officers questions so he said "Just doing me" and that made the officer mad. I believe at no point did the officer tell the driver in the initial confrontation he was an officer. He tried to justify use of deadly force by telling 911 the delivery man tried to ram him but he was scared of the man drawing his gun and was trying to get away.
Dash cam and 911 call: ua-cam.com/video/p3OTuFuprwY/v-deo.html&ab_channel=FOX47News
You forgot the most racist part, the cop said this while the guy was bein illegally held by him at gunpoint at the gas station;
“When I see a Black guy in my neighborhood, I think you’re doing stuff like this.”
And yeah, he nvr announced he was an officer of the law until the gas station.
This is also gonna be a slam dunk case on the civil side, tho the cop will try to claim qualified immunity despite actin outside of the law and while off duty.
What's the cop doing off duty wondering around in early hours?
Like Steve said...You would think that if the cop knows he's out of his jurisdiction, he would call the local PD and let them handle it. Off duty guy could follow at a safe distance and report what he "witnessed" to the locals.
The off duty cop’s ego lead him on, along with the entitled sense of Qualified Immunity which didn’t protect his butt this time. I have to ponder how many other citizens this jackbooted thug with a issued badge and handgun falsely accused in the past.
Steve , is it true that when you were born
you hand delivered the birth announcement yourself ?
And your first word wasn't Ma-ma or Pa-pa....... it was Pa-per ?
Newspaper delivery has changed from a part time pizza-money job to a new 'career'. smh
I had to wonder about the involvement of another department AND the state police.
After looking more into this situation, there was a lot more to it than is being presented.
The only time a copper ever stopped me when I did a paper round in the UK, was to tell me off for not stopping at a 'Halt Major Road Ahead' sign when on my bike.
Here in the UK i had a paper round for about 2 months delivering free papers, eventually i got fired because i sold the papers to two local fish and chip shops instead of delivering them, three times the money for 1/10th of the work. Good while it lasted.
I guess people won't buy fish and chips unless it has ink printed on the wrapper. Your employer should have realized they were missing out on a revenue stream and given you a raise for bringing it to their attention.
@@BlackJesus8463 they likely made much more money from the Gov subsidies for giving out "free," tax payer paid papers.
@@claudeyaz The free papers are full of adverts, very few stories plus the TV listings. Nothing to do with taxpayers.
So you stold ?
Just to be clear for foreign readers, this was back in the 80s when i was a kid, the newspapers were in 2 bags that weighed around as much as me, i was paid a penny per paper but fish and chip shops wrapped food in paper and paid me 2 pence per paper, they got a good deal and i got 3 pence per paper total, these days they have to buy food grade paper so it wouldn't work today.
The "loser" hand sign at 8:23 is not lost on me.
This same thing happened to me about twenty five years ago in Monterey County in California! I was delivering the San Jose Mercury news paper at about three in the morning, when someone pulled a gun on me in a 7-11 parking lot, and made me lay down on the ground! I thought I was going to die! Turned out the guy was an off duty airport cop, and he thought I was stalking his girl friend who lived in an apartment complex where I delivered one paper. I sued him, and after about a couple years received a settlement of about nine thousand dollars, which was very little for the amount of time it took in court. The officer wasn't reprimanded at all, by the way. It was interesting that the police officers are represented by the most prestigious law firm in that area, and his representation would have cost many thousands of dollars if the firm was billing on an hourly basis!!
Oh, by the way, for a buck and a quarter, the San Jose Mercury weekend edition is the biggest paper I have ever delivered! You cannot pick it up in one hand which makes it hard to throw! I don't think you could read the whole thing in a week! By contrast, the little news paper in the small town I live in now cost $1.50, and I can read it while waiting in line at the grocery store!!!
I came here thinking you would be discussing the similar incident in Pierce County, WA
Always surprising when a cop catches charges for their crimes. It happens more often when they are off duty. Should have also been charged with unlawful arrest for detaining him. It's still not too late to drop the charges or give him a slap on the wrist.
Delivery driver would have been justified in blasting him.
I was technically a District Manager, but with a dearth of carriers, delivered most of the small district myself in the very small hours. I will note the District was the most exclusive part of town. I drove up a lot of driveways. Once, when returning to my car I had a cop, in uniform but off duty, likely returning home at end of shift block me in. At gunpoint, my hands on the top of my car, he checked the interior of the car, saw the stack of that morning's paper on the seat, apologized and left. Never forgot that morning.
I'm on the back of the Daytona car from the tail to the top
Wow Steve, you delivered papers! Who knew ( everyone )?
I wonder if he ever drove a tow truck? 🤔
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I delivered papers as well, until 1991 when they fired all the bike routes and transitioned to auto routes. I was 14 and was unable to deliver any longer.
Yeah, I got to deliver until I aged out in 1988, but shortly there after they nixed all the kids for adults in cars.
@@Bob-Lob-Law Good for you
i really love your channel! great info, thanks!
If only they did that to Sheriff Ed Troyer in Pierce County, WA.
He was charged. But it was a misdemeanor.
@@lrmackmcbride7498 a misdemeanor is a slap on the wrist. It's the blue privilege. That type of special treatment for murderous thugs will do nothing but create another situation like in Dallas 2016. I only hope it happens in front of his family.
Most of what this guy did would not apply in washington state. The sheriff was in his jurisdiction. The police chief and sheriff are by definition always on duty. Further the brandishing law is different between states. I cannot say if the law could be applied to a police chief or sheriff since they are always considered to be on duty and on duty officers are allowed to point guns at suspects. I agree that situation was a disaster and I believe the legislature discussed requiring a state investigation into any incident involving sheriffs and police chiefs. I do not know what they decided to do on that one.
Glad to hear this. 👍
ive done that job my self for The Daily Iberian. part of what gets me is that i have heard police occasionally say " they are always on duty". this report is "an off duty officer". well which is it always on duty, of occasionally off duty. cause if they are always on duty , then the city and or the department could become culpable for actions of this officer in a lawsuit
They are either officially on or off duty, some however believe they are always on duty. A sheriff could consider themselves always on duty, since they are an elected official and not simply an employee of an agency.
@@aaronwebb7090 correct and i agree with you. the issue i bring up is when you hear of an off duty officer shoot a criminal for some reason, then is when you get the "always on duty" i know of no other job or profession outside of the military that has that mindset .if there are officially "off duty" hours then their official equipment should be kept at their place of employment. you dont see a construction worker taking home the bulldozer he operates everyday do you? a doctor doesnt bring home the charts of patients , or an ems worker drive home the unit they work out of. if an officer is off duty,driving home in the department vehicle and is involved in an accident, who is on the hook for the insurance. the officer? he was technically off duty, even tho he/she was in a department vehicle. there should be a line with this profession as with every other in this country.
I remember the paper delivery days very well. I began my delivery job in 1963. Morning delivery so all must be delivered early enough so as not to be late for school. Normal route size would be ~100 - when a route grew to 125 it would be broke up to downsize. I wanted to make more money so I got 2 routes. Was not so bad until Christmas time in which the Sunday paper with all adds could exceed 5 pounds. I had front and rear saddle bags on my bike plus my over shoulder bags. There were times when only 7 papers would fit in one bag so my total capacity was 42 papers and then back to the paper office where I would reload and continue on....
Conditions today would not permit a teenager to be out and about early morning in many areas. HOW TIMES have changed!
Ben shading the rear window of #71, Steve's LHS
I delivered morning papers while in college. I got stopped once.
Cop told me I ran a stop sign. I asked which one (cause I rolled them all -lol)? He let me off with a verbal warning.
I left my Honda in 2cd gear and just cruised. Who else is out at 3 AM? No one except the cop.
A friend I had while attending another college had a paper route and this one red light stayed on for 5 minutes, even @ 4 AM.
He waited for 2 minutes and took off as no one was anywhere near.
Sure enough, A. Ziffel rolled out from behind a bush and gave him a ticket.
Wasn't this altercation a video? The guy was following him in a truck i think.
That was a different incident. That sherriff was charged with a misdemeanor making a false report and there is a 5 million dollar lawsuit.
This is a different case than the one with the Sherif of Police Chief. The guy delivering papers was driving a small car and was in their 20s or 30s. This case doesn't involve the sheriff or chief and it has a Teen driving a van. But I remember the video you are talking about.
Gotcha. Thanks for the information!
I am pleasantly shocked that a cop was held accountable.
They can still drop the charges or sentence him to 5 days of probation.
It still amazes me how long it takes to charge cops who break the law. Citizen pulls gun on someone.....arrested same day. Cops does same....takes over 1 year to be charged.
I clicked thumbs up before the video even started!
Come on, every once in a while you just need to draw-down on these paper people, and maybe rough them up a bit, or the next thing you know they'll be selling magazines door-to-door.
Hats off to those holding this psychopath responsible! 👏 👏 👏
Worse, they might start selling vacuums door-to-door. Everyone knows that newspapers are a gateway product. 😉
only to put themselves thru college
Steve, has anyone ever owed you 2 dollars on the paper route and if so how did you collect?
He's a cop (sovereign citizen). Wana bet he gets off without a felony.
Not in Clinton county. In Ingham to the south of there, sure, but not Clinton.