Cleveland: Confronting Decline in an American City (2006)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Cleveland: Confronting Decline in an American City, a documentary film produced by Northern Light Productions and the Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, explores the travails of the "shrinking city", confronting vacant land, population loss and suburban sprawl.
I was born and raised in Cleveland. Started my life on 68th. and Woodland, and attended Williams Temple Church Of God In Christ until I was 16. Right now I'm living in Phoenix, Az. I was back in Cleveland the last 2 weeks in Aug. 2018 and it really felt good. At that time in 2018 I fell in love with my home town again. At that time I did see the work being done to the city, and I like what I see. I'm 69 and will be 70 in Nov.,and I think I'm getting too old to be out here by myself. My cousins keep telling me to come on, but I must give this some serious thought. Moving is more than aa notion, and it must be planned out. If everything goes right, this home town boy is coming home. Peace to you all!!!!!
One thing Cleveland has going for it: cost of living in the mid west is relatively cheap compared to either coast.
Cali affordable housing. Cleveland. U got surf!
Theoretically it would all balance out and folks would return to Cleveland and Detroit for the affordable property. That obviously hasn't happened yet.
@@burtbenz9964 I know this is a joke but there is actually a surf scene on the great lakes
How cheap is cheap? Don't need a Saturday night special to walk the sts🤔
@@JackF99 broke as broke can be
I don't know why I find the brick man cute and comical. The whole cities falling apart and he is skipping around in delight over the bricks.
That part was my favorite
Yes, that was kind of funny, but he was having a good ole time finding those bricks! lol
So?
He's collecting a history of a city like a historian in old Egypt. Lord love him.
Yeah, he was my favorite interviewee.
The last vacation that I had was to Cleveland was 2 years ago and I was treated very well. I had a good time. The reason I chose Cleveland as my destination was because the price was inexpensive. I visited many places such as the Rock & Roll HOF, 2 times to Progressive Field with good seats ( sorry ☹️ 2016 Indians fans but I’m a Cubs fan), West Side Market, Jacks Casino, Christmas Story House, and many other places. I stayed one week and traveled by Amtrak. Other cities that I had considered were out of my price range.
Hope you keep up the good work.
Glad you enjoyed!
You went to Cleveland...on vacation? I don't believe you
@@stevecariggillio4139
It has been that much longer now. I’m from Chicago with a disability and cannot drive so i took Amtrack and walked from the station when I arrived and back to it when I left with my suitcase on rollers and walked across the City and passed Cleveland Browns Stadium and Jim Browns statue to I believe a Radison Hotel across the street from the Cavaliers ( sorry I’m a Bulls fan). The Cavaliers and then Indians stadiums are across the street from one another. I had great seats at the two Indians games and sat right in back of Geraldo Rivera at one of them something like three rows in back of the third base dugout. I forgot who the opposing team was. I went to the West Side Market first by cab and the second time I walked there since I it wasn’t that far away ( was it over an expressway?) and I shopped at the huge place. I remember eating at a Buffalo Wings Restaurant or some name like that next to the hotel. I went to the zoo. There was a butterfly 🦋 place at a horticultural retreat ( What was that called?). I visited the art gallery which was good but doesn’t compare to the Art Institute of Chicago. The only place that was a long distance away from where I stayed was The Christmas Story House. I couldn’t walk there. And I took use of cab rides on a minimal basis. My disability is epilepsy and I did not have much cash on hand ( nor can I drive) to utilize so I made do with the best what I have. Because I can’t drive the best things I visited were within walking distance.
The photos of my visit to Cleveland in my phone are from late August of 2018.
Do you believe that I visited Cleveland now?
@@daveicc495 I believe you Dave!
Tremont is a parking nightmare and still full of crime. Shopping at Steelyard commons is a gamble
I didn't hear one word in this entire video about crime and its role in making people move to the suburbs.
It's a big part of it. People don't leave their neighborhoods unless they feel like they have to. Take away someone's ability to work, support their family, and keep their family safe and they will leave. These big cities always focus on shopping and entertainment to try to get people back. It'll never work bc thats not why they left. Until they can work, provide for their families, and keep their kids safe they'll never come back. Cities refuse to fix the real problems. Shopping centers and fast food places don't provide jobs that support families. People don't care about entertainment when they have to worry about getting shot walking out to their car.
@@lolasmom5816 Exactly! Thanks for your comment. It's not just Cleveland. A lot of cities are going through this and they keep applying the same solutions that don't work.
I used to hate on my city Cleveland and I moved to Florida for 8 years. Believe me, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Imo, Florida is a hot swamp crap hole with horrible traffic, unfriendly people, expensive insurance, tons of bugs/snakes/rats, power outages from hurricanes, mold and bad humidity. I moved back to Ohio and appreciated it so much more, good folks and it's beautiful to see the seasons, great country views, lake to boat on, cheap insurance rates, no state taxes for small business owners up to 250k per year, great metro park system and now a much better downtown than before.
That is good to hear, and i'm glad you're back home & loving it! I'm out here in San Jose, Ca. and this place is boomin' like crazy!
bro funny bumping into you here. i tried contacting you years ago, i always figured u were local
@@BRado Yo! Local to the San Jose area too?!?!
Florida has never held interest for me whatsoever, basically for what you said. Florida is trashy. It’s fun to party and have a good time for a weekend to a week, but live there? Hell no.
Amen! Same here. We moved from the 216 to Phoenix in 04. OMG Phoenix makes Cleveland look like paradise. Awful people. Awful traffic. Crime there makes crime here look like nothing. We moved back to Cleveland in 13. There’s no jobs here but we are very happy being back.
What an extremely well done documentary. Highlighting the boom, decline, and hopefully the rebuilding of a once great American city. Wishing NE Ohio the best.
It'll only rebuild if they re-gentrify the east side and get rid of the current trash living there now
It's all lies...state the obvious
It seems like a smart idea to open a moving company there.
Lol
Get bizzy.Smart thinking
Ohhhh shit! To cold lol.
Born and raised in Cleveland!! Joined the army and then came home in the mid 90s after living in Tucson. Then moved to Columbus until I moved to Central Coast, CA in 2004. I finally moved to Phoenix in 2005 and been here since. But in between, have been home to The Land throughout all that time and miss it. The changes, both positive and negative have been shocking for sure. But I'm compiled to want to help my city again, having degrees in Architecture and Construction Management. Especially in the areas I grew up in, Mt. Pleasant area.. It's time for that area to get a boost too!!! And knowing there are programs like Land Bank, might be that Ticket to help that happen!!! Bless Up 216!!!
1) Move poor people into a wealthy area, preferably with lots of elderly people. Entice the poor in with "affordable" subsidized housing. Let the area run down. Don't prosecute gangs that settle here. Watch the property values plunge. To encourage "white flight," start increasing property taxes for non-subsidized housing.
When the area is sufficiently crime-ridden, start heavily prosecuting the gangs. Let the infrastructure run down further. Convince the poor to find subsidized housing elsewhere. Push the issue until the neighborhood is mostly deserted.
Now sweep in and seize all the abandoned property. Force any hangers-on out via eminent domain. Spend lots of government money to improve the area. Build fancy condominiums. Sell the properties at inflated prices to well-off buyers, especially the elderly.
2) Rinse, lather, repeat.
3) Profit (for government officials, land developers, etc)
Define poverty
Chloe Kramer under $30k gross per year
Yep. We're all pawns in this scheme. Cleveland, Baltimore, Atlanta, DC, etc... All crumble by design.
That is EXACTLY what happened in Maple Heights, Garfield Heights and Bedford. Majority black and broke no white kids in their school systems (a few left in Garfield) But Sherrod gave them ALL FREE COLLEGE INCLUDING ILLEGALS AND REFUGEES😘😘
Oh No!!!!!
It's okay. No poor people in suburban areas, we can't deal with crimes and worries while at work thinking about our home being vandalized and broken into. No, no, no get poor people to go to work and let's all be equal.
You sleep all day long pretending to have some kinda illness which you lie and receive welfare, you expect to be rich. Work hard and earn for a living not living on our taxes. Bum!!!
"...can you imagine 35 children in a classroom...." Yes, I can. When I was in elementary school those were normal class sizes yet we still learned to read, write, and do arithmetic. Classroom discipline was practiced and we were drilled in the basics. In 3rd grade we had ten new words to learn and spell every week. I can still remember the teacher putting them on the blackboard. By sixth grade we had proper English grammar pounded into our heads. We were NOT learning Ebonics!
I remember us having to diagram sentences in English class. Is that even done anymore?
Hard for western folks to imagine many credible things - I was in a school, in classrooms with over 50 children .. very much like millions of children of in India .. though the quality of education was good.
ill quote what you did not: "Can you imagine 35 children in a classroom designed for 22?"
Judging by the quality of the posts online, I'd say that English is not being taught at all. We diagrammed sentences in the 4th grade. We learned how to write complete sentences, and to spell. Imagine!
Yet there are many other languages? Hablas Español? Hindi Mien Baat Kar Saktey Hai? Bangla? Chinese?
Or is always the same boring english ...imagine harder?
I went to Cleveland for an interview at Case Western in 2004 and I was shocked at just how empty the city was. I walked around downtown and saw barely any people (even though it was fully midday), no open businesses and so many boarded up, beautiful buildings. There was some kind of shopping center, I think called Tower City, and I was the only customer in one of the restaurants there. It was really spooky to be walking around a city that looked like it had gone through some kind of zombie apocalypse.
funny that you say that since only about 15 years later downtown cleveland is booming economically. It has also reached a record 20,000 residents in the downtown area.
You should see it since the pandemic. You could roll a bowling ball down East 9th and no one would hear or see it. It's a ghost town now.
I grew up in California then my parents moved us to good ol Cleveland in the late 80's to thru the 90's... It's ALWAYS been a part of me... While there, EVERYONE and ANYONE who visited treated the city in the negative way of this documentary... They'd say things like "why is it always overcast and cloudy every time we visit?" It wasn't until I was a grown adult that I could recall it being as such but it didn't matter... Some places just FEEL RIGHT whereas it feels otherwise to everyone else...I felt like I belonged there despite whatever crap reservations others have... I've been dying to get back to visit my old homes where I grew up and my old schools as well as going back downtown where my family owned a restaurant in the old Greyhound bus station... It doesn't matter to me what folks negatively feel about Cleveland, it'll ALWAYS be a great place to me
Thank you MM!!😊
Sad and painful ONGOING reminders for realization of my hometown...but, there is hope in the making. I'm from and grew up the University Circle area. The fluctuation of time, distance and circumstance had me reconnect with a old flame of the late 1970's (also from Cleveland and is now my wife) who resides in Indianapolis. I lived in Southern California for 25 years and came back in CleveO for five. I went on to embrace the sentiment "I rather be in her world, than be without her in mine".
But at a 330 mile drive away, I still LOVE the spirited expressions from the collective of families within Hough taking a stand for the neighborhood that is back on the rise.
I have never been to Cleveland, but looking at the video it's beautiful, in a beautiful setting, with grand buildings. The older buildings and structures can't be reproduced today.
People (of all races) with money don’t want to live near crime, drugs, welfare, etc... It will always be this way and there’s nothing the government can do to stop it from happening.
Saint Michael I will leave miles from Blacks .
Even people (of all races) without money don't want to live near crime, drugs, welfare, etc. If they're on welfare, there's no reason to stay in the cesspool Democrat cities. They can be on welfare anywhere in the country and should "shop around" for the safest cities to live on welfare long enough to get on their feet. No reason to live on welfare in safe cities where there are jobs. Don't take any of your city's attributes with you - liberalism is a disease. Leave the give me habits behind so you can live a prosperous life and give your children a chance at the American Dream which doesn't come from hand outs. It comes from being law abiding and working hard.
of course the government can do something about it. The government requires those who build nice clean beautiful upper-class housing units to also include a number of what we refer to as low-income housing units. So another words the government forces those who can afford a nice area to nevertheless have to live with an animal the very animal they were hoping to escape from when they work two jobs save their money diligently and strive for the American dream. despite the fact that they worked for what they achieved some animal is going to move in next door on everyone else's tax dollars and proceed to devalue the neighborhood.
Anybody with money with a sound mind - of course. With poverty numbers on the rise, those to whom you refer can run but cannot hide. If you were genuinely concerned about the problem, petition the source of the problem - the fascists within industry and government.
@@Throwback-Films I'm moving to a 55+ community after (LA baby mamas were moved in my hood) ; no welfare, no kids, no animals on welfare mad-dogging you...home costs $300k cash only no vouchers, privately owned.
Very sanitized version of events causing urban decay. The big problem that wasn't addressed was the rise of crime and its causes. The decline of the quality of education was skipped over. Race relations worsened and Government programs contributed to it. How many areas were destablized by aggressive Block Busting by greedy real estate brokers? Welfare enticed a mass migration of poor to areas with rapidly diminishing job markets.What caused White Flight?
I hate when people say White Flight because that's BS. Well educated and highly skilled blacks left the city along with White people. That's just a BS racist way to say blacks ruined the city. A lot of this has to do with urban sprawl and the creation of the suburbs into cities. When the jobs dried up and housing prices plummeted. That's what led to the decay. Not to mention Cleveland isn't the most attractive city to make people run to it.
They didn't mention the thievery and corruption of government officials either.
I use the term brain drain.
@@222222e there is white flight here in the UK.
totally agree. Loud music, general misconduct and criminal activities not my cup of tea. I would move out too
When you have a culture that praises violence and stupidity, while at the same time looks down on things that aren't "Trill", THIS is what you get!
what is "trill"? I can't keep up with their ever changing stupidity!
Hey two KKK members.
God help the white folks that still live in Cleveland, I am one of the few.
Shade, All KKK members are democrats. The 16th president founded the republican party.
@@Joe-kb1sm wow 3 KKK members.
Cleveland & the Great Lakes region is one our nation's best kept secrets .
SHUT THE HELL UP! JOSIAH! it aint your business. shut up. man. we good. dont need no help!
@@dalemaloney255 Go back to your meds
@Michael up?
What?!!!!
There is definitely bad parts of Cleveland (east side), but for the most part, Cleveland is a wonderful city. Any city will have its good and bad parts. St. Louis may be on the list of the most dangerous cities in the U.S., but Forest Park is damn beautiful. If I'm not mistaken, Cleveland is also going through a renaissance of sorts thanks to Case Western.
Case Western is located on the "bad" side FYI 😒
@@kiaj.d.5855 Still a pretty campus.
@@samuelskillern7365 I'm familiar with it. I attended briefly and my mom is a graduate. I mentioned that because you generalized a whole area.
I was born in Parma but our family moved to Texas when I was 8 yrs old. I have fond memories of Cleveland and surrounding. We moved from the west side of Cleveland to Brunswick in the 70's. All of my family live in the suburbs for decades now. North Royalton, Shaker Heights, Medina, Strongsville to name a few. When I go back to visit, I cannot believe how old the city looks now. Texas cities are alot more modern.
North Royalton Strongsville Brunswick and Medina are just police states now. Its just pure revenue for the cops. All they do is drive around all day long fcking with people for the most minor shit. I grew up in Brunswick and I'm BEYOND ashamed of it
You know what? I went to high school on Hough, Thomas A. Edison. When you mentioned the new housing and renovation programs, that really made me feel good. To see my city come back is great. In order for a wound to heal you must clean out the debris and dirt. Keep doing what you're doing. It looked good in 2018, and more than likely better now.
I have been back in Cleveland since 2013. Thrilled to be back but I haven’t been able to find full time work. If it weren’t for my wife’s job we’d be pan handling to make ends meet. Cleveland still seems to be dying. We lived in Phoenix for 10 years and could always find a job.
My days, why did you move back to Cleveland with Phoenix being such a hub?
"Can you imagine 30, 35, 40 children in a classroom that was built for 22?" I don't have to imagine it, I experienced it when I started school in 1952 and the baby boom came along with too few classrooms and too few teachers. We had morning and afternoon school or 50+ kids in a room as each city chose. And there was one teacher per room in a school with one principal. Now the teachers' unions want 22 kids in a classroom with a teacher and teacher's aide, and there is a populous front office. What are all those people doing?
4:00 mark...God Bless that older Gentlemen with the bricks
Norman Krumholz, 1 of my best professors at CSU in the late 90s. I learned so much, thanks for the elightenment professor. 😊
Barbara Byrd-Bennett sentenced to 4 1/2 years in prison for kickback scheme
Posted Apr 28, 2017
This is really where you need to look if you want to see the true decline of Cleveland. The architecture is amazing. As a hub between Toronto, Chicago, and NYC, the location is fantastic. The problem is corrupt politicians shaming the working class into thinking they're not doing enough while doing shit like this. This woman is a convicted felon.
Really? Wow!
Somebody had o say it. Corruption was the true decline of Cleveland. The prosecution of county commissioners, the prosecution of police, they helped destroy the city when it was struggling to heal.
RIGHT ON THE MONEY ..........................
born and raised in Cleveland (Bay Village).. Cleveland is the reason where i am at today. Will always have love for the city and the state.. Come back from time to time and see it on a rise, Lakewood area east side and downtown.. Stop with all the hate on the land...
That's not Cleveland. Bv is a lily white, uptight snooty enclave
I grew up in east Cleveland. I went to Prospect elementary. I also went to Collingwood I lived on Collamer road and 169th. It saddens me more than I can say to see East Cleveland look like this.
In my daily morning prayers I thank God for giving me an amazing and wonderful childhood.....it was a childhood growing up in Cleveland
Interestingly in the UK, most cities have a green belt around them. This is an environmental expansion barrier. This in turn leads to redevelopment of inner city (brown field) industrial areas. Forcing companies into redevelopment over new development means regeneration is constant. Rents remain steady and ghetto's are hard to evolve. It doesn't mean there isn't absolutely no ghetto's it makes them less likely. Diversity by immigration is the new cancer of UK cities. Diversity equals decline equals crime.
Ben Jerry You country is destroyed because you let in scam immigration not working class people.
Visit Birmingham and see.
Ben Jerry
Every big city in the UK has a ghetto. Typically these are the inner cities. You clearly don't understand diversity either as you assume that all immigrants are the same. But don't worry, Britain will be strong and stable next year and when white Europeans stop immigrating to the UK you will live in a UK version of Cleveland, except that it will be a Muslim/Hindu one.
@none of your damn business It depends on the country and city. In the UK inner cities are really bad on general, while in Eastern Europe the suburbs are dangerous.
You have to understand the legacy of British/European colonialism to think and talk intelligently about you assertion.
all these cities have people that say they love diversity, until they have to live it.
@@MDKMARK i mean, you think that crime and black people go hand in hand...
you do realize you can live places with out crime and it doesnt have to do with the color of there skin...but what ever you racist biggot rot in hell
Teach !!!!
@@MDKMARK you know whom does the most crime in the nation yet you think "black" folks is the problem. Read some books on American Heritage. You're an enemy of the people.
@Serenity Now, majority of Black voters are Democrats ......who are the major problem, again?
@@MDKMARK, my city was a low crime and peaceful town until Rodney King riot in the early 90'. the State encourage rioter and friends migrate into the area after the riot and that including Rodney King himself, now long time residents of the area all wanted to get the hell out of CA.
Great video. I would recommend that anyone who finds themselves on this link take the time to watch it.
My wife and I were considering a move to Cleveland a few years back from New York. The municipal agency trying to rebuild a neighborhood near the city tried everything to get us to move in. But they didn’t tell us about the crime. I asked a resident how to prevent your house from being robbed. They told me to never leave the house. Come on!! We chose Michigan.
high density neighbrohoods being built in the suburbs are how you literally ruin anything. Terrible idea
just run and don't look back -simple
@If you Say so There are no successful Black Countries....... NONE. Not a Damn one. NONE. Blacks have NEVER did anything.
@@surferdude72 because white supremacists wont let them be successful
@If you Say so we did screw up when we sent the dotors to africka to stop those deaths over there! all those viruses were sent from the almighty to slow down populations growth! srry! we just did not know! wanted to help those good people! BOY! WERE WE FOOLED? yup! the LORD kept them poor so they could NOT overbreed! its OUR fault, dont blame anyone else! let the plagues begin, lord. and HE did, covid, ANYONE?? buy 2, get 1 free?
@If you Say so america has saved millions of people from starvation and death from diseases! may the DEVIL have his way with you and you have a long life. eating dirt.
@@surferdude72 LIBERIA? no? I think so. when a blk country has a diabolical leader, no one is safe.
My great grandparents and grandparents who were white lived in east Cleveland - that is where they immigrated to. Eventually they moved 20 minutes south to the suburbs. The city proper became predominately Black populated. Now the city is a hovel. Why?
Simple question,long complicated answer. Basically, follow the money, the lies by politicians, the effects of redlining/ discrimination, the crime statistics/ history of the cities citizens...then,add government programs and meddling , generations of disintegrating families and declining nieghborhoods
Rich White ppl moved out. Some, after the Great Depression, some, after their grandparents/parents died & Tad & Babs wanted new digs. There's a rumor that an evil Black judge ran off with East Cleveland's treasury. But that tale never added up. Rich ppl, who founded East Cleveland, lost their fortunes or just moved to Florida, NYC/NYS, PA or just other parts of Ohio, as decades passed. Not so rich ppl moved in. Then not not so rich - not rich - not rich at all - poor. Tax base crash. Bratenal (Eddy Road) is a good example of a suburb where the Victorian rich never left & the suburb is still rich.
Blacks weren't allowed to move into East Cleveland until the late '60s early '70s. Unless they were live-in servants. But I'm sure your grandparents/parents told you that.
AGREED👍
I love Cleveland 💘 The grass isn't always greener on the other side!
Thats true
Fixing a problem requires naming the cause and the writer of this script is clueless as to what actually happened.
@@argentumboyle249 if whites would've stayed in the caves there would be no need for flight
@@myroyalty100 how about black go back to the desert or savanah of Africa? White people don't move into black neighborhood so why do black people have to always move i to white neighborhood? Black people need to ACCEPT that white people do not like to live among black people.
The cause in one word: Blacks.
When your home gets ants or termites, you get rid of them, and if you're powerless to kick them out, you leave. It's called an infestation and it's what happened to these cities, except it wasn't ants or termites.
Life in the suburbs is better than life in a city. In the suburbs you don't have to live in an apartment. You can have a nice big yard. It is safer and the schools are better. It is cleaner and kids have room to run.
If you look at cities you see a concentration of negative outcomes. I can walk anywhere in my town at 3am and not worry about being mugged, raped, offered drugs, etc. I couldn't do that in Cleveland or Chicago or New York.
New York City is the safest city in America.
Dumbass, just couldn't keep a secret. Lol
Sounds boring.
Yeah but it’s boring
@@andrewnovotny6305 Only if you aren't into thinks like beaches, many beaches from 1 mile from the house to all up the coast of Lake Micogan. It's boring if you don't like wineries and micro brews, yummy Porters are my fav. If you hate fresh and art, community events, farmers markets and street dances. Can't forget fine dining with escaped Chicago Chefs! If you hate picking the freshest fruit and veg you would hate it. Plus if I want to go to some museum or football game I take a train to Chicago and spend a few days worrying about crime and paying 10 times more than I should for a Porter.
Higher taxes and public housing for "the poor" will fix it. Throw in a bunch of bleeding heart judges that let criminals walk on a constant basis and here you go.
Public housing is what caused this in the first place. Giving people benefits so they can live in a community they otherwise couldn't afford to live in, is a death sentence to that community. When you give people something for next-to-nothing, that's exactly how much they'll value it.
Perfect democrat recepie.
As a life long resident of Euclid until 2013. Seeing Euclid Square Mall almost brought a tear to my eye. I got to live through the last part of my city's decline until finally it think it's stopped. The replacement of the mall with the Amazon fulfillment center is a welcome change. But it is going to take a lot of investment to make up the short fall. I hope all of our cities in this region and the region as a whole can make prosper once again.
One immigrants view. We moved to USA 1963 to better our life. Sold my modest skills to highest bidder. Business moved or closed? Sold my skills to another employer. Moved to that location. My wife was a housewife with child. Always saved maximum amount. Did not expect Social Security to support retirement. Worked for 50 years and retired with earnings from investments. Globalized industry offered good ROI for us. Have zero expectations from Government. Formed no ties to localities.
“No ties to localities “ how sad
I've had the same attitude and results, but I'm not an immigrant.
Thats sad, what country are you from?
Robert Fernandez no that’s smart. You move where the jobs are.
Dionne no thts sad, he said he no ties to any locale. Tht means he has no community or any place that he calls home and cares to contribute meaningfully to the progress of tht locale. He was dislocated as an immigrant and he remained so when he arrived in the new country.
A combination of over-taxation of American businesses, and excessive demands of labor unions, resulted in many industries relocating their production over seas. Combine that with Black crime, and that spelled the death knell for many large inner cities. Whites got the hell out. Why deal with it? I'd rather live in the suburbs and drive into town, and I did, in Cleveland, for eight years. As for those homes in the city, they better have a damn good security system. As soon as several people get killed and robbed, they'll move.
Nice explanation of sequence of events.
As an Australian, investor and frequent visitor to Detroit, without doubt the greatest threat to urban America is the urban sprawl which has been regulated in Australian cities, even heavily restricted now, as the trend in population growth is reversing back towards the inner city which are more vibrant and valuable than the soulless outer suburbs.
Inner city land, whilst cheap, must be renewed and redeveloped as Cleveland is now doing which is to be absolutely commended and applauded as the model for the future.
U c the forest and the trees mate. I'm a bludger
I live in a suburb east of Cleveland. That city is a sewer! It’s run down dirty, full of crime , nobody in their right mind would choose to live in Cleveland
I remember visiting my Aunt in Cleveland in 1962. She said very sadly "This town has lost its touch".
Crocker Park will continue to prosper as long as Cleveland city buses don't reach it...
2 busses run all day
Cleveland has changed a lot since 2016, and definitely for the better.
I DECIDED to BEAT the "middle class" idea. I decided to buy a house between 4 major cities, all within 50 miles. This is also why I decided to drop out of high school at 15yo, get my ged and work 3 jobs to pay for and earn a degree in electrical engineering without debt, a job field that is always hiring and always pays great. Looking back, no regrets. I'm not privileged, I just had common sense. My mother never had a driver liscense and my father never graduated high school or got a ged. They both worked minimum wage jobs. I was the 1st person in the family to go to college and to break 100k a year.
Yea work your ass off. Everyone else avoid what u and I did my parents worked their ass off 2 from pitt. They moved 2 l a 50s and raised wonderful family wowee
No matter where families move to the politicians want congestion. This video doesn't show the costs of downtown properties only the benefits. The politicians want to tax these new property owners and businesses to pay for the debt they incurred.
The real problem is not enough black flight
I’m born/raised Cleveland. This video shows the decline of our awful legacy of racism. The Hough segment was amazing. Hough used to be a blighted Black ghetto. Cleveland was segregated between White west side and Black east side. That seems to be changing. Now one race - the human race - as we grow more tolerant and enlightened. Good things come from that. America surely must love Black people. We went to a LOT of trouble to bring them from Africa to our shores from as far back as the 15th century. We must live together as friends - or die together as fools.
@@Son-of-Thunder true there are many great middle class black people and highly educated wealthy black people this is true, but they aren't the problem, those middle class blacks have left the city too, why? Because they don't want to live in crime infested hoods, and send their kids to horrible schools and learning environments. Talk to those blacks that worked hard, live in Solon or mentor, they despise the lazy ghetto mentality too,, are they racist
I got robbed once in Cleveland!!
Maybe, but you can't come with us if you're bringing that same dirty, dysfunctional culture with you.
I was a kid in the 70’s living in Cleveland. All I remember then was the constant fights between Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Pinckney. After graduating from Benedictine, I left for the Navy in 1984 and never went back. I now live in California ever since I left and have had no regrets. I still root for the Cleveland Browns, Cavs, and Indians though.
Jobs jobs jobs. Without the good jobs, it's very difficult for any city to survive and thrive.
A question to Cleveland natives on here, when did BP America move out of their modern, skyscraper headquarters in downtown Cleveland and what where the negative factors contributing to this horrendous event?
I don't know if you still care but BP America, the former Standard Oil of Ohio, was bought out by Amoco which was headquartered in Chicago. Naturally everyone wanted to keep the headquarters in Chicago so the Cleveland HQ was shuttered. It is now the regional HQ of Huntington Bank.
I wonder what happened to all these new areas after the 2008 collapse. Pretty sure this was in 2004.
Turn closed mall stores into individual apartments. Great place to build a whole community. Ready made housing, shopping and air conditioning. Plenty of parking. Concerts in parking lots at night. Carnivals, farmers markets, life, convenience and safety.
There seem to be a job problem not housing
There are no jobs,there are no life! How can people live without income?¿?
If you don't live in a city don't pretend you do. Living in the suburbs is not the same as living in a city.
John Hickey and you sir have came up with a real argument. And allow me to elaborate. Many people cling to the myth that a metropolitan area is all one city, but that isn’t even remotely true. It really pisses me off that many buy the myth.
For example if you live in Northern Virginia, then you shouldn’t say you live in Washington, DC. If you live in Orange County, CA, then you shouldn’t say you live in Los Angeles. It really pisses me off when people do that.
Ooooh tribalism.
LeBron mimicked this best by claiming Akron as his roots:Cleveland is not where he’s from. This is the oldest arguement any New Yorker will make about their Burroughs.
it all started with the invention of the Cleveland steamer
need to dig up some of those parking lots and plant some potatoes and corn back maybe some beans
Just watched this. I know that we have a long way to go, but LOOK HOW FAR WE'VE COME since this was filmed! I look forward to seeing what our city looks like come another 15+ years. Cleveland against the world!
I was there it was all white flight . I wachted it decline enough then said f this im outt
a here just like everyone else
j.j. Geer smart, just move
They saw what happened in Detroit and ran
Club Soda that’s why you always hear people avoiding white neighborhoods
So was I am from Cleveland
they say it takes a village. and they took many villages and STILL CANT MAKE THEM WORK!
this covid gonna do it tho! gonna kill all these peoples that live in a pile!
Complicated indeed, here's what I see...Cleveland was booming, residents migrated to the suburbs, businesses left seeking lower wage costs creating job loss, tax revenue plummeted, local govt thought it could revitalize a dying downtown with sports arenas... what caused the industrial wages to increase to the point industry wanted to leave? The American dream run amuck. And yet you will NEVER hear unions admit they were even remotely responsible. The MOST "entitled" people you will ever encounter are those who will proudly tell you they're "entitled" to a wage and benefits that cause business and jobs to run like hell. We Americans are short sighted.
White flight
The EndofTheWorld And for very good reasons
Come on: you can't blame this on the Wright brothers.
Rich white flight. Most white Americans are poor as hell.
Yea how dare the whites want to have a home where the values don't plummet. How dare they want good schools for their children. How dare they want safe and livable neighborhoods.
White flight aka ethnic cleansing.
This is an incredbile documentary. I am a New Yorker who briefly moved to Cleveland. I have such a love for the hearty people of Cleveland and its affordable housing stock while realizing how many problems the city has. The answer may be hard money Bitcoin since Case Western has the talent to create a whole new ecosystem, CLE can once again be the Silicon Valley of Ohio.
Update: 2019. Cleveland is ALIVE and MOVING AGAIN! I live in the city limits and ALL is coming ALIVE AGAIN!
Since about the mid 90's, growth of the Internet has meant that where you live is a lot less important. Your community is your family, your friends, your workmates, the people you hang out with, people with the same interests as you. They are all connected by email, facebook, youtube, etc. And when you want to buy stuff, Amazon is there. Who needs a city. You can go live in some remote village but you remain in contact with the world. You could live at the south pole but easily connect to wifi.
No doubt the decline of Cleveland started well before the arrival of the Internet and had its own unique causes but it's a factor now. I know of a remote but beautiful (and inexpensive) place which has a small community of Germans. They can live there because they do business over the Internet. Who needs the pressure of living and commuting in Germany.
It is great to see Cleveland making several positive strides towards revitalization but at the same token, the rest of the city is apparently being mostly bypassed along with the older first ring suburbs. Also the outer ring suburban sprawl in places like Avon and Westlake is very troubling because it is creating more costly new infrastructure and development that is clearly not needed. This outer ring sprawl is going to have not only a negative environmental impact but an economic one in the form of higher food prices because so much fertile, productive farm land is being eradicated by the foolhardy American Dream of owning a huge house on a large tract of land with three or four automobiles per house. The American Dream definitely needs to be changed, to be redefined.
R. Pres. Same in Detroit and every city. Jobs but no one qualified to fill them.
R. Pres. America is huge you could give every American 5 square kilometres of land and that would be only Alaska and not 1 square inch of the lower states.
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I'm was going to college just to the west in Lorain County when this film was made. As a southern kid in northeast Ohio I HATED the weather and the shrinking population was very different from the constant explosive growth I was used to. I remember one day I saw a traffic light being removed in Elyria or Lorain and it just filled me with a profound sadness for some reason.
9:47 "It is happening to many older cities in America" and yet the largest city that is closest to Cleveland (and isn't in Ohio) is Indianapolis, which is still a thriving city, both inside the city and in the very-sprawled suburbs. Indianapolis didn't put its eggs into one basket: the problems with Detroit and Cleveland are the consequence of these communities not diversifying their industries in the 1970s. They got fat and happy off of manufacturing, and when China (and other Asian) countries could do the work for much cheaper, the jobs went away, and these communities failed to have good, alternative work.
15:50 Holy shit...
I have one word - AKRON
I am a native Clevelander born and raised, I left 4 years ago for Cincinnati and then Kentucky, but yet it was something that I couldn't get over the Cleveland area, especially Lake Erie. With the GOP convention Cleveland is starting to make a comeback, but as a descendant of folks who remember Cleveland when it was booming it has a long way to go.
It is a daunting thought to see the decline of our once great cities. When a city can "fund itself" you will be successful. However a common denominator is the decline of our morals, ethics, folkways and mores, and trying to "buy" out poverty which cannot be done. People have to be willing to make change. Technology also plays a part in this. There is not much respect for the things that came before and now the world would rather cancel everything and put it all in one pot. My generation, baby boomer, worked hard to develop safety, integration, education, manners, loving thy neighbor, etc. These are not considered values anymore because everything costs to much and is overtaxed. The elected officials need to get their paws out of the coffers and be the stewards they were hired to be.
That is not just the politicians' fault. It is also the fault of the Woke, and those who promote and encourage them.
Okay, the Galleria was built in 1987. Just about every other suburban mall in Northeastern Ohio was built before 87’. Not to mention that The Avenue, a three story mall, was opened in 1991 in Tower City. This mall connected to the RTA, so it was far easier to come to this mall.The Galleria was a huge mistake to build in the first place...
I'm sure the city of Cleveland was nice at one time but just like Detroit Michigan Philadelphia Pennsylvania Gary Indiana and California it's filled with Democrats that have run it into the ground with their social and shity policies
Your opinion is probably underappreciated.
Philadelphia is thriving last time I was there.
Blue States subsidize Red States.
The Republican National Convention was hosted in CLE in 2016. I wouldn’t say it’s Democrat’s either, I would probably just say it’s a result of white flight. That’s probably the only simple answer.
Gary Indiana was fine until your Ronnie Raygun Republican decided the nigrahs were making too much money in the middle class and gave the steel trade to Japan as a "war reparation", which singlehandedly led to the factory and mill industry collapsing. But keep blaming "Democrats".
I grew up in Seattle and got here in 2020. I’ve never seen anything like the rust belt or Cleveland falling apart like it has been. If you take a drive for 10 minutes east of the ballpark you’ll see the reason, unemployable people with no hope, drugs, crime. The east side of Cleveland proper is a tremendously dangerous place for the average person. People are killed every night in this area. I don’t see anything changing soon until a massive reinvestment is undertaken to get poor people educated and working.
Outsourcing and austerity have destroyed much of prosperity in the West.
Baby daddies don't need to work...
You're the racist.
@@TheBandit7613 Chris is the racist here, the OP didn't mention race but Chris's racist mind made a connection to Blacks. Why is that Chris? There are fatherless white families too.
@@TheBandit7613 There is nothing more honest than a racist pointing his finger and shouting "racist" at someone else.
The problems of the black community are self evident. The people that call it out are labeled racists by hypocrites on the left. Calling everybody racist helps exactly nobody! Thanks for proving my point exactly Chris. Are you going to vote for Bernie or Kamala? Oh, that's right... Bernie is a straight white male so he's a racist too... right?
@@davidparker9676
The term racist is thrown around so much it means nothing anymore.
Nothing.
@@TheBandit7613 So why'd you use it?
Still have to fix the inner cities not just downtown
Lol. I love how the narrator talks about this like it's some mega-mystery-curse just on Cleveland. You can buy houses for 5k there, but guess why noone will?
The more shine boxes that populate an urban area, the more shit-holed it becomes.
Now downtown Cleveland is on the rise and everyone wants to live in the city again! Town homes in Tremont are going for 500k!! Cleveland is making a comeback!
no it not Cleveland is a still a horrible city.
Who the hel can afford that?
It would be a crying shame if some cheesy town center hurt Cleveland's downtown. Downtowns have centuries of history and culture, town centers don't. Unless your idea of culture is a cheesecake factory. Let's face it, town centers are glorified shopping malls. In a few decades, they will probably face the same fate that many shopping malls are facing: high vacancy rates and eventually the wrecking ball.
Alex Summy the Internet is killing shopping malls
It will all be good till the poor folk and the crime get there.
There is genuinely a Cheesecake Factory in Crocker Park
@@howey935 the stakeholders of malls in reality over invested in malls to much nationwide that's the problem thank god they are demolishing the over invested malls in some regions where it's a bad investment.
Cleveland Ohio has overall fared better than Detroit. Cleveland began its recovery about 1980 and despite ups and downs has not only restored Downtown but acutally changed some of the inner city neighborhoods unlike Detroit. Even inspite of it there are still more inner city neighborhoods on many eastside areas in the Northeast Superior and Southeast Miles and Kinsman Ave needed as well as parts of the closer in West side. The culture of Cleveland compared to Detroit is more refined and has NOT the uprisings in more recent times Detroit still has to struggle with. Also the mindset of Clevelanders are more open to growth and are more inventive as well. The Capitalist mindset is the key to Cleveland's Urban growth as compared to Centralized Progressive Government of Big Cities which Detroit has tried to rebuild itself.
exactly, not to mention the slowing down of the population decline. Though it does have tons of work to do regarding schools in many of these areas. Only way to prosper is to have good schools. The city at least has some hope unlike detroit. Although they do have an ok downtown, detroit hasn't tried to revive any other neighborhoods.
Cleveland , The great city by the sewer , where ignorance is bliss .
Yeah because Knoxville, Memphis and Nashville are gems. The pot calling the kettle black with that one.
26:11 is all you need to see to realize this video is at least 20 years old. This is not Cleveland today.
I disagree somewhat about cities. Not every state identifies with cities. I live in a largely farming state and relatively few talk about or go to any large city. Rural areas are where we can still leave our doors unlocked and welcome a stranger in town. We have freedom here, no HOAs and other such people telling us how to live.
Mark Muffs There is not Blacks that's why you don't lock door make shore they don't hear you .
@16:39 27 years old and still in the 5th grade....
Bring back industries. Jobs and people make a city, town.
Correct
Dems love jobs but hate companies and wealthy investors
I love Cleveland. I live 50 miles east of the beautiful city.
You don't build a city, it grows! A city like Berlin, Germany is 850 years old and looks newer than New York City,which 150 years old.
Of course it does. Much of Berlin had to be rebuilt in the 1940’s and 50’s after the Allied forces bombed the crap out of it.
When did public schools start having to buy textbooks? From 1st grade to 12th, we students bought our own textbooks at an external business every year.
Once the fellas and their lovely ladies move in, it's all over.
I went to grade school with Jimmy Rokakis. His brother was a nice kid.
Busing destroyed Cleveland!!
Young person (23) asking here..., mind explaining?
I wish them luck but It does not look good with the demographics and it is a Dem stronghold.
From there, Vegas since 2000. That state has been voting Rep, they're 41st in state GDP. Congrats...
I'm from Youngstown the state of Ohio has been jurymander to favor the GOP for years. Do some fact checking
@@kennethmitchell6184 Do you mean "gerrymandered"? Just...OMG
socialism is a very bad direction in this modern time where there's a decreasing amounts of manned required industries(no automation or A.I.) and have been losing so much production since and a shrinking native middle class, the west coast is still going pretty strong due to new Asian immigrants and their expanding investments and businesses but America isn't going to benefit from a Democrat and if Republican those candidates better know what they are doing and planning but otherwise we need more libertarians than ever before whether slightly leaning left or moderate right we need a libertarian with common sense in this era.
honestly there is no help in the city i was born in cleveland and back than it was not always bad people had jobs it wasent trashy i dont remember the last time i seen the sun shine bright in cleveland thre is no hope in the city anymore houses and building seem to just keep on getting abandon
Love the idea of Hough. Detroit should do that, need more people like those neighbors
waterfront properties on the Lake are a good start. Cleveland needs to give tax breaks to all who come.
i live about 20 miles outside Cleveland, and I go to school two miles from downtown. Obviously there's shady stuff, but a good part of the city has been doing alright. There's a lot of new family owned shops and they rebuilt public square. Tremont and the Flats along with some other neighborhoods have had a lot of new houses and apartments put up which actually look super nice. It's also really weird seeing several of my friends neighborhoods in this
Yeah.
How long will that last