Yeah, this is a pretty quality station all things considered, especially given the circumstances under which it was designed and built. I like it a lot. Great video!
I only really know Perivale as the home of Doctor Who companion 'Ace' - at first I wasn't even sure it was a real place! I usually feel wary of showing my knowledge of 'Doctor Who' trivia in public but I'd like to think I woudn't get admonished for my nerdiness on a train enthusiast video!
"Twelve pennies to the shilling, twenty shillings to the pound, that's 240 pennies." "Oh, this is a _stupid_ system." "Where did you say you were from again?" "Perivale, why?"
When my Wife and I married in 1958 we rented the top half of a house in Bilton Road for ten months, I used Perivale Station to get to work until we moved to Farnborough. As jago mentioned the growth of Perivale was due to the many factories that were built there, my Mother worked at Sandersons as part of the War effort. My first job was learning shoe repairs at a shop on Western Avenue when I was 15 and living in North Greenford, thanks for the memories.
I have a friend who used to live in Salva Gdns, right next door to the Hoover factory in Perivale. This is an amazing building architecturally, too, and has to be more or less contemporary. I just had to see it so when I had a couple of days off, I cycled overnight from Bath where I lived at the time. Part of it was a Tesco's when I was there. I'm afraid I couldn't use the underground with the bike, so I missed the station and cycled to Paddington to get the train home.
@@stepheneyles2198 I was fitter and younger- and more adventurous then, but the truth is, it's more the journey with the added bonus of the destination. I'd seen Hoover's old literature, and with everything so tempting- plus having a friend literally round the corner, I went for it.
Just saw your weather forecast for the week, holy cow. You'll have hotter temps than we here in the high desert of the American West. Don't forget to hydrate & stay out of the sun!
Another excellent appraisal. For the historians amongst us, the area was known as "Greenford Parva" (Little Greenford) until the 16th century and remained rural until the interwar period.
Parts of St. Mary's Church in Perivale Lane go back to the 13th Century. Walking from the station up Horsenden Lane you pass Horsenden Farm, and some old canal-side cottages, up to Horsenden Hill. If you ignore the factories and blocks of flats, you can even imagine you are in a rural area!!
Isn't it still little Greenford (or East Alperton)? I still struggle to work out what Perivale is, apart from a few hamlet at the bottom of Hodsenden Hill stuck between the A40 and Alperton industrial estate
@@quintuscrinis I've never heard it referred to as Little Greenford and I grew up nearby. Your summary of what Perivale is just about sums it up, with the addition of many acres of post war suburban estates.
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I went to London specially to go on the 'parliamentary' train run by Chiltern Railways into Paddington through Perivale, so I went through the station on the big railway, before they dug up Old Oak Common for HS2
I remember travelling from Perivale station to Central London by train on several occasions. It's a time travelling machine that takes several weeks to travel just a few short miles. It reminds me of the movie Inception.
I’ve travelled to Perivale a few times on the central line but it’s quite far out, when travelling from Stratford station. For a station built in the 1940s, it has a retro feel to it, and looks like it was built in an Art Deco style.
Hi Jago, If this video is busier than you expect it's probably Doctor Who traffic. The last companion in the old show Dorothy 'Ace' McShane (or Gale) was from Perivale and the area featured rather heavily in the final season before cancellation in 1989
I use this station to go to work. It is a nice design indeed. You might have failed to mention the freight line that parallels the Tube tracks from Old Oak Common westwards. It is interesting to see freight trains slowly drag along next to the Tube.
Abhaya, The freight line you mentioned was the most direct main line from London to Birmingham until 1966. It has only been run down and largely abandoned since the London Midland route was electrified from Euston.
That freight line is what remains of the original New North Main Line. The Central Line extension from North Ealing to West Ruislip was built alongside it, to the south. The section between Old Oak Common and Northolt Junction is now singled and at one point was planned to be the route of HS2 until was decided that it would be less disruptive and therefore more cost effective to build it in a tunnel, following more or less the same route instead. Northolt Junction is adjacent to South Ruislip station and is the point where Great Central and now Chiltern trains diverge towards Marylebone. The line still has a Parliamentary passenger service which, when I last checked, runs once a week between West Ruislip and West Ealing via, but not stopping at, Greenford.
@@thomasburke2683 It was used by the Banbury service from Paddington long after Euston was electrified. The Banbury service has since been re-extended to Birmingham (with the re-opening of Birmingham Snow Hill station) and transferred to Marylebone.
“What if I told you, it was not an Underground station at all?” “Well that would be a lie, it clearly is an Underground station, it says it on the sign.” This was a great video, even if i haven’t been to this station a lot of times
Yes, definitely worth covering. I wasn't really aware of this station (even though I travelled from it once many years ago) and it is really rather attractive. The curved/crescent box is a nice variant on the rectangular boxes and round drums of Charles Holden. Good to hear it's Grade 2 listed. Also a reminder of just how rural and depopulated west Middlesex was until the 1920s. There's a photo of Rayners Lane when it was just that - a shack-like halt on a muddy lane in the middle of fields. So no wonder that Perivale was originally a halt and was closed for some years.
Nice to see some videos on West London in areas that aren’t so fashionable (Acton, Southall, Perivale, etc) even if they aren’t entirely dedicated videos.
Perivale also the home to the BBC Archive centre,and has along history of storage,relating to the Cinema business. Worth reading some of the history around film and studio's use of the area.
BBC won’t have their Perivale facility much longer I think, they don’t own the building and the landlord I believe wants it back so they’re looking at vacating the place. Shame, as they spent a lot turning the facility into a controlled environment for storing archive film, tape and such. I suspect a good portion of physical archive will be binned as they’re digitizing as much as possible, also a sensible decision given the deteriorating age of the source material.
Perivale isn't on the GW & GC Joint line, this starts at Northolt Junction (near South Ruislip station). The section of line between Old Oak Common and Northolt Junction was owned and only served the GWR until LT electric services started.
I've lived on the Heart of Wales Line for many years (until recently) - lots of Halts. The definition appears to be that stops at those stations aren't scheduled. The timetable allows enough time for trains to stop at some of them, without making the train late, but the stops aren't prescribed, they only happen if requested. Therefore a Halt would be the same as Request Stops for buses, regardless of whatever station facilities there might be.
However, halts have evolved over the years and meant different things on different lines. Most of the Heart of Wales lines ones were originally full sized stations that simply didn't generate enough local traffic. On the Great Western and Southern they tended to be small basic stations added in the early 1900s and served by local services but not medium-distance semi-fasts. Sometimes they were request stops, sometimes not. Some got upgraded over the years if they attracted nearby housing. Good examples are Southbourne, Littlehaven and Ifield in Sussex which all now have direct services to London.
In the English Midlands, however, request stops are and were stations, not halts (with the sole exception of The Lakes Halt). The majority of National Rail stations today meet the historic definition of halt (unstaffed platform with no staff and definitely no goods facilities). The easiest rule of thumb is "Did this station have staff, buildings and possibly sidings before the Beeching cuts?". If it did then, regardless of its status today, it's not a halt; if it didn't then it _is_ a halt (or a Platform, which was just an earlier GWR term for halts).
I'm not sure why, but this video was in my feed randomly and I'm sort of glad it was even though I don't really have much interest in trains/railways. It interests me a bit because waaaay back in the early 90s, I travelled from Bristol to Perivale just to buy a hard drive/upgrade to my Amiga. I did this since I used to got to London about once a month to indulge my hobbies at the time, comics/modelling/gaming.
I must have travelled through Perivale, hundreds of times in the early 80s, but never got off! Thanks for sketching in some background! Looking forward to more Central line stations..
That part of the video, where the 2 trains are leaving their respected platforms, there's 2 people that walk by. Im now thinking that maybe 1 of these, is the elusive, great, Mr Jago. Top work once again, and another excellent Hazzard production.
Do you think a "single carriage train" was trying to cut or equal the costs of running a tram? My parents moved to Oxfordshire in the late 50s when I was 2. My earliest memories of going into London for Motor Shows and Ideal home exhibitions was down the A40 so very familiar with the place names like Perivale (Hanger Lane, White City, Uxbridge) which the road ran past. Just the names trigger those memories. Never did the trains out that way until very recently when I went to Park Royal (Tesla Garage) and came back from Hanger Lane.
The GWR ran railmotors (ie a single carriage with an integral steam engine) from the early 1900s for local services around West London but also in places like Plymouth. They moved on to autocoaches where the steam engine was separable again but there was a driving cab up the other end of the carriage as well.
@@tt-ew7rx technically a single carriage train can be a series of connected vehicles running along a track, given only if the engine is seperable from the carriage.
Nice, I had no idea the GWR actually built that. Worth noting that the Central Line didn't totally replace the original services on that line when it was extended to West Ruislip, as there is still a British/National Rail line there as well, used for freight and diversions. Until recently the occasional Chiltern service would go to Paddington that way (until HS2 works severed the connection at Old Oak Common)
I was born in Perivale maternity hospital (no longer there), and my dad worked for Hoover in the Hoover building…but to my knowledge I’ve never used Perivale station. I may have to rectify that…one day…
When I worked at the V&A Museum they had some kind of storage facility at Perivale (don't know where exactly - I never had occasion to visit it). It wasn't a popular location for many of the warders who were responsible for its security. (For one thing, their London Weighting allowance there was at the lower Outer London rate.) Re the Hoover factory: George Melly relates how he went for a drive along the A40 with Mick Mulligan shortly after they'd first met, some time in the late 1940s. As they passed the building Melly commented "all that to suck up dirt" (only he used a stronger word). Mulligan was allegedly so tickled by the remark he decided on the spot to have Melly as vocalist with the jazz band he was forming. The rest is musical history.
I saw George Melly and his band perform live once. He said to us the audience that the pinstripe suit one of the band was wearing was made from aerial photos of Clapham Junction. Naturally,he relished a dash of naughtiness (vulgarity,the easily-offended said) among the jokes he told. His son went to my school,which had Johnny Dankworth and Cleo Laine among its patrons.
Videos like this remind me of Socrates' saying "All I know is I know nothing". Always a pleasure to learn about the history behind the train stations in the UK, as I would have never known otherwise.
It's been a few years since I've witnessed it; I used to get the push&pull from CBR to GFD and change, but getting on at Perivale eastbound early-morning peak had long been an atrocious experience. If that wasn't the case, I might have just walked to Perivale most mornings. Maybe Liz line opening has now moved Central Line trains from the Ealing Broadway to the West Ruislip branch though.
If only modern train stock would incorporate 30's and 40's interior design into them to match the stations. Oh for those flickering incandescent light bulbs and horsehair and sprung Moquette seats, that were actually comfortable and the rubber ball headed hanging straps of the old stock that was running in the 60's and 70's. Classic design could meet modern mechanicals and electronics. Art Deco didn't really die until the Festival of Britain in the early 50's. It still looks modern today.
@@PlanetoftheDeaf I hate modern bright white lighting, I much prefer the yellowish glow of an incandescent light. Even hated the fluorescent tubes in the office as they were only ever changed when they failed so were constantly flickering after a year, we turned most off and relied on the desk Anglepoise lamps. As long as enough light on a train to do The Times crossword (rarely completed by the time I got to the office) that was as bright as I needed. Yes I have LED's at home, the filament type ones that replicate the light of an incandescent bulb. Never used the hangers as too short for it to be comfortable to hold on to, just leaned against a partition, end wall or the edge of a seat back if no seat avaliable. Luckily our hours meant that I was travelling outside of peak hours. (Rotating 24hr 3 shift pattern)
Will you also be covering the Central Line proposed extension to Denham? You could even take in the aerodrome there (pop quiz, how many London Transport stations are, or were (or were supposed to be) near aerodromes (and indeed, aircraft factories)? Burnt Oak/Queensbury (Stag Lane aerodrome), Cricklewood (Cricklewood aerodrome), Colindale (RAF Hendon/Hendon aerodrome), Heathrow obviously (Fairey's factory originally), North Weald (aerodrome of the same name), Croydon obviously, Battersea Heliport maybe? Northolt for Northolt, Uxbridge for Uxbridge. Can't think of a suitable station for Biggin Hill though. Others?
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat As someone born and bred in Perivale I agree on the lack of facilities - a mile walk to the nearest pub from where I used to live. However, I disagree on industrial activity - Perivale has a huge industrial estate! Up until the 1970s the factories made stuff as well, now mostly warehousing and car repairs. The most famous was Hoovers who had a big factory on the A40.
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat I lived in Launceston Gardens off Bilton Road. I believe my house was built in 1932. I was talking about the factories in Aintree Road/Wadsworth Road, which were built in the 1930s. The Hoover factory opened on 2nd May 1933. The big Sanderson wallpaper factory in Horsenden Lane was built in 1930 (replaced by a small council estate in the 1970s). The church was originally St. Mary's in Perivale Lane, parts of which date back to the 13th Century. This was taken over by St. Nicholas's built in Federal Road in the 1950s or 60s(?). The community centre was on Horsenden Lane South - I went to playgroup there in 1967!
Not extinct, I hope..... in Jan 1970 I caught the train to Wollongong at Omega Point request stop, just north of Gerringong,,, ( I didn't know there was actually a proper station in G'gong itself....) In NZ, on the Wairarapa Line , on the Plains side there is a halt ( if you like ) at Matarawa and one at Maymorn.
I spent years at greenford between 1999-2002 then moved to the midlands for 20 years, it was so weird coming back to ealing Acton in 2022 during hs2 being built in old oak common
Ah, Perivale. I liked its style. My go-to park and ride station back in the day after a car journey from Gloucester, until they heavily restricted parking nearby. It meant avoiding the Hangar Lane gyratory going further into town until the anticipated A40 dualling upgrade into White City which, in the end never happened. Nowadays it's train all the way from North Wales in to Brutalist Euston #Assonance, so I miss Perivale completely. A shame in a way.
Another interesting fact Mr H...... London Transport actually got around to making enamel destination plates with Denham on them before the extension was dropped. I actually have one, how many others exist i don't know.......
Weirdly, the name is homophonous to перевал, which means "a mountain pass". In my land if a railway halt has junctions and more than two platforms, it is a station (if you can let the train pass or combine cars into a new train). But in metro they are all stations
Cute little station. I was at Greenford, one stop along, the other day. That had an Art Deco vibe to it. And an inclined elevator. Could you please do a video, Mr. H?
Used to be a really useful station for me to go direct to the centre of town. Then, inevitably, the parking restrictions started to appear. ☹ Hey ho! Another good one Jago.
Lots of my fellow Doctor Who fans make a pilgrimage to Perivale as that's where final original series companion Ace came from. Haven't got round to it myself yet. Neither do I fancy riding a motorbike on Horsenden Hill!
2:06 I like that the passenger there stopped and realised you were filming, and hastily stepped backwards to not obstruct it. You don’t get many people like that, I’m a photographer so I know how annoying it is 😅 great video nontheless. (Did you beckon him to carry on btw? ;))
My Mum had a very very old hoover which, along with 'by appointment to George IV' had 'Hoover Perivale' written on the front. Up until 8 minutes ago that was the sum total of my knowledge of Perivale.
That would be one very early vacuum cleaner - George IV was king from 1820 to 1830, and I don't think Hoover were yet in business at that time! I think you actually mean George VI (1936 to 1952)!
@@LesD9 used to be a nice sight from the train too.. unfortunately yesterday i saw that there is a new build being constructed between the hoover building and the track which obscures it almost completely. sad stuff :(
Horrible, isn't it? You can always tell when street footage of London is more than a certain age, owing to the absence of such ghastly objects and colour schemes.
Thanks for shining a light upon another quirk of the Underground, Jago - I had no idea that this wasn't an LT design, and especially by the Great Western, whose attempts at Moderne in the 30s were half-hearted, to say the least. Charles Holden it ain't, but a pretty decent attempt to keep in the spirit. The Southern would do integrated design much better, particularly at Surbiton, and those fabulous stations on the Chessington branch (subject for a future feature, maybe?)
@@hyperdistortion2 Excellent! Cheers, I'll look it out. Edit - well, that's embarrassing. Not only did I watch it first time around, but posted a comment, too. Mrs T tells me that I never remember anything. Perhaps she's got a point...
I made a handful of trips from Greenford back home to the East. Missed out on Perivale. As the crow flies Alperton seems close but trying to get there from Aldgate East was quite the excursion( well over the hour). Have you covered that or is it on the "To do list"?
I was going to mention nice use of the Hanger Lane gyratory in the video. For those not familiar with it, it's where the North Circular Road (A406) and the Western Avenue (A40 converge) as you can guess, this is very well known to me from my days on the road pre pandemic. Just think wacky races controlled by 4 sets of traffic lights and almost every one in the wrong lane and trying to converge from 4 sometimes 5 lanes of traffic in to 2 lanes. How I miss it. When you make the film about Hanger Lane (note not HANGAR Lane) make sure you take in the land mark that is the Hoover Building, now part residential part commercial development and also the former site of Starvin Marvin's which was an american style diner in an airstream caravan, Now sadly removed and a housing development built on the site. Ok nothing to do with Perivale, apart from if you head north from the statrion and cross the canal, there's a rather fine brewery just there.
I'm currently visiting my brother in Dalston, and he's been dragging me all over on the tube. I've been secretly hoping to make a cameo in a Jago video. One can dream.
In all truth, when I saw the picture of the subject matter, I assumed this would be a straightforward exercise in appraising another well styled station that had aged well and displayed the positive aesthetic characteristics one associates with so much of London Undergound’s architecture in the first half of the 20th century 🤷🏻♂️ And yet! Within seconds we realise it is indeed an oddity. And in view of what you rightly point out as the GWR’s highly conservative attitude towards building design, I too am amazed at what they achieved. The canopy looks splendid albeit the original design would, I suspect, have seen it more neatly end than simply stop in mid curve. However, I actually rather like this as it gives it a rather endearing asymmetric quality! 🤔 And that stairwell is simple and yet stylish in the way it curves upwards rather than just a pair of straight steps with a jaunty angle half way up. Plus, being a lover of station front lay-bys (I don’t know why, but even as a kid drawing roads for my cars, there simply HAD to be a lay-by for buses) I rather like how the canopy sort of hugs it 😂 Can I call a station cute? Meh, I’m going to anyway 🤓 Cin-cin! 🥂🍀👍
With the GWR involvement and its eccentric spelling it may have been Perivale Halte for a while although this usage was declining by then. Depends what the signs would have shewn.
This was the most boring area of London until the pandemic changed things. We have a farmer's market, bakery and brewery now. They are just up the road from the station at horsendon hill. The hill is an amazing area for wildlife.
Regarding the use of the Met's Paddington (Bishop's Road) station rather than the GWR's mainline station, it's worth nothing that at the time Perivale opened, Paddington Station only had Brunel's original three spans, and a maximum of 8 platforms. There was a bit of a gap between the main station and Bishop's Road. The fourth span, with the suburban platforms - now being used for Elizabeth Line trains to points westward - was built between 1906 and 1915. Platform 12 arrived in 1913, Platform 11 in 1915 and Platform 10 in 1916. (The platforms are now numbered 11, 12 and 14.) If you've ever wondered why the Bakerloo line takes such a sharp turn to serve Paddington, my theory is that it was so that the line could run, and the platforms be built, under London Street rather than going under the mainline station. But, you may say, the Bakerloo *is* under the station! And where is London Street? Yes, it is under the station *now*: but the Bakerloo got there first. London Street disappeared under the suburban extension of the station - somewhere under platform 12. Having said that, the Bakerloo never had much of a surface building at Paddington. Presumably it was always intended that most passengers would descend from the mainline station, or access via the Metropolitan/District building on the south side of Praed Street. As of April 2021, the surface building seems to have been demolished. There will be a new entrance as part of the Paddington Square development, expected to be opened in 2023. The suburban platforms were built right up next to Bishop's Road station, which is why the Met's platforms eventually got renumbered to 15 and 16, following on from the mainline platforms. This made more sense when it was possible to walk directly from one to the other, but I believe this ended when ticket barriers were introduced (1980s?), requiring a walk out to the road and back in to the Met's ticket hall. I don't know if any of this is why services to Perivale started out from Bishop's Road station, but it may be that the GWR just didn't have space at the main station at the time.
If "we" are going to debate what constitutes a "halt", may we also debate the differences between "build" ,"pop up" and "put up"? In serious vein, I am intrigued by the large beam across the road beside, but separate from, the railway bridge. It appears to be some type of buttress.
Thanks JP and SGP. Whilst I believe you, it is interesting that there is a beam only on the south side of the two over bridges and not the north. The clearance is the same at 15' 6". The other difference is the shallower ends of the cutting under the single southern bridge, especially on the station side of the road. I still think both explanations have some merit (buttress and HGV guard), unless you can say there is no threat from HGVs on the north side.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch Yes, that's the story I heard as well. It was put in some time between 1995 and 2015 (sorry I don't remember the exact date) when some new warehouses were opened just north of the station.
I had no idea such an architectural gem existed outside the traditional Holden territory. But that staircase looks to offer a formidable climb from sea level to tracks. Did anyone ever consider installing an escalator?
That actually seems a pretty good description as a comparison to a "normal" or "traditional" station. It would just have been a stopping place for local passenger services, built on the cheap.
I'm interested in what a 'Halt' actually is. I want an official border map for where Stonebridge Park, Park Royal, Ealing and Perivale's borders are and meet 🤨
The line was GWR all the way to Aynho Junction via the Bicester cut off..... .....the GC was involved in its construction and had running rights but was limited to Marylebone-Greenford before branching off at Ashendon Junction to join their old London Extension North of Quainton. This took place after numerous and acrimonious fallings out with the Metropolitan over who's line they originally got to London....
In fact the line was fully jointly owned by the GWR and GCR all the way from Northolt Junction to Ashendon Junction, beyond Princes Risborough, plus the PR-Aylesbury branch. It was entitled the GW and GC Joint Line. After the 1923 grouping it became GW and LNE joint until nationalisation. The GW always made more use of it than the GC/LNE though.
The old GWR and the GCR,in many ways,redoubtable companions,as there station architecture were in many aspects,ahead of the current thinking! Sir Sam Fay,was a master of seeing the future and designing well ahead of need!(By the way,a video of his prowess is overdue)!Any way,Jago,your work as usual is excellent and thank you for the knowledge gained!![For reference,see George Dow's,trilogy on the Great Central]. Thanks again 😀 👍 👏 😊 😄 😉 😀 👍 👏 😊 😄!
Perivale, like Deerfield, Illinois, is a place that I always assumed was fictional when I was a youngster. I've since seen first-hand that Deerfield is real; as for Perivale, I'll have to take Jago's word for it. :)
I was born in Perivale Maternity Hospital on Western Avenue by Medway Parade, and spent the first twenty three years of my life in Perivale. It existed then but now...
Haven't been back to Perivale for years but back in the sixties the station boasted big proper toilets. Are they still there does anyone know? Apart from Earls Court, Perivale is the only underground station that I know that had toilets. Given that Perivale was very underpopulated when the station was built it's a mystery to me why only this station was selected to build a substantial toilet facility.
Yeah, this is a pretty quality station all things considered, especially given the circumstances under which it was designed and built. I like it a lot.
Great video!
I only really know Perivale as the home of Doctor Who companion 'Ace' - at first I wasn't even sure it was a real place! I usually feel wary of showing my knowledge of 'Doctor Who' trivia in public but I'd like to think I woudn't get admonished for my nerdiness on a train enthusiast video!
I think everyone has a 'nerdy' interest tbf
That's what I was thinking too. Perivale. Ace. Ghostlight. I'm showing my age 😆
"Twelve pennies to the shilling, twenty shillings to the pound, that's 240 pennies."
"Oh, this is a _stupid_ system."
"Where did you say you were from again?"
"Perivale, why?"
I assumed it was a made up place too. I think I had an idea at the back of my mind that it had been named after the slightly earlier companion Peri.
@@luxford60 I wouldn't entirely put it past England to have a village called Perpugilliamvale.
Loved this. I have lived in Perivale since 1982. Same street. Its all changed now.
AUDIO BULLYS
Is there a street called "Queensbury road" in Perivale?
@@royalordinance no. But in London there is.
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“Parish of enormous hayfields Perivale stood all alone” says Betjeman’s evocative poem “Middlesex” about the area.
When my Wife and I married in 1958 we rented the top half of a house in Bilton Road for ten months, I used Perivale Station to get to work until we moved to Farnborough. As jago mentioned the growth of Perivale was due to the many factories that were built there, my Mother worked at Sandersons as part of the War effort. My first job was learning shoe repairs at a shop on Western Avenue when I was 15 and living in North Greenford, thanks for the memories.
Perivale, the place I know of as the home of Ace.
I was straining to hear if a TARDIS had materialised.
Quote from Ghost Light: “This is Perivale!”
Yep. That's when I first heard of the place.
Same. Last season of classic Who is one of the best. I wonder if the street scenes in Survival were actually filmed in Perivale.
My favourite Who companion.
I have a friend who used to live in Salva Gdns, right next door to the Hoover factory in Perivale. This is an amazing building architecturally, too, and has to be more or less contemporary. I just had to see it so when I had a couple of days off, I cycled overnight from Bath where I lived at the time. Part of it was a Tesco's when I was there. I'm afraid I couldn't use the underground with the bike, so I missed the station and cycled to Paddington to get the train home.
I was just in London and forgot to get to it. And I didn't realize it was on the Tube!
Congratulations on cycling from Bath to London!! That's some journey, just to see a station, I admire your determination!
@@stepheneyles2198 I was fitter and younger- and more adventurous then, but the truth is, it's more the journey with the added bonus of the destination. I'd seen Hoover's old literature, and with everything so tempting- plus having a friend literally round the corner, I went for it.
Just saw your weather forecast for the week, holy cow. You'll have hotter temps than we here in the high desert of the American West.
Don't forget to hydrate & stay out of the sun!
Another excellent appraisal.
For the historians amongst us, the area was known as "Greenford Parva" (Little Greenford) until the 16th century and remained rural until the interwar period.
Parts of St. Mary's Church in Perivale Lane go back to the 13th Century. Walking from the station up Horsenden Lane you pass Horsenden Farm, and some old canal-side cottages, up to Horsenden Hill. If you ignore the factories and blocks of flats, you can even imagine you are in a rural area!!
Greenford Parva must have a midsomer murders behind it
@@highpath4776 That sort of unpleasantness was left to Greenford Magna. 🤣
Isn't it still little Greenford (or East Alperton)?
I still struggle to work out what Perivale is, apart from a few hamlet at the bottom of Hodsenden Hill stuck between the A40 and Alperton industrial estate
@@quintuscrinis I've never heard it referred to as Little Greenford and I grew up nearby. Your summary of what Perivale is just about sums it up, with the addition of many acres of post war suburban estates.
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Joking aside I do enjoy all your videos and usually learn something new each time. Your presentation and sense of humour are also both important reasons why I keep watching. Keep up the good work.
Laughing at the prospect of him using actual expletives in it 😂😂😂
@@eIucidate it would be amusing but I suspect JH is much more professional than that.
@@stevesaul7975 I know, I was just making reference to your asterisks.
I read this comment just as he said it! 😮
Indeed,,,puns of the highest if tortuousest quality.
Perivale reminds me of 1980s Doctor Who, as Ace, the Doctor's last companion of that era, hailed from Perivale.
The only thing I knew about Perivale prior to this video is that the Seventh Doctor's companion, Ace, was from there.
Great video as ever!
I went to London specially to go on the 'parliamentary' train run by Chiltern Railways into Paddington through Perivale, so I went through the station on the big railway, before they dug up Old Oak Common for HS2
I remember travelling from Perivale station to Central London by train on several occasions. It's a time travelling machine that takes several weeks to travel just a few short miles. It reminds me of the movie Inception.
I’ve travelled to Perivale a few times on the central line but it’s quite far out, when travelling from Stratford station. For a station built in the 1940s, it has a retro feel to it, and looks like it was built in an Art Deco style.
Hi Jago, If this video is busier than you expect it's probably Doctor Who traffic. The last companion in the old show Dorothy 'Ace' McShane (or Gale) was from Perivale and the area featured rather heavily in the final season before cancellation in 1989
i am that Dr Who traffic to your Perivale....(though i do watch Jago pretty regularly, if only for his 'old world charm.'
That's where I've heard the name.
And now my planned "this video is ace" comment is completely ruined.
@@francisboyle1739 Sorry
@@srhvideo Well you did save me from looking like a complete dweeb so there's that!
I use this station to go to work. It is a nice design indeed. You might have failed to mention the freight line that parallels the Tube tracks from Old Oak Common westwards. It is interesting to see freight trains slowly drag along next to the Tube.
Abhaya,
The freight line you mentioned was the most direct main line from London to Birmingham until 1966. It has only been run down and largely abandoned since the London Midland route was electrified from Euston.
That freight line is what remains of the original New North Main Line. The Central Line extension from North Ealing to West Ruislip was built alongside it, to the south. The section between Old Oak Common and Northolt Junction is now singled and at one point was planned to be the route of HS2 until was decided that it would be less disruptive and therefore more cost effective to build it in a tunnel, following more or less the same route instead. Northolt Junction is adjacent to South Ruislip station and is the point where Great Central and now Chiltern trains diverge towards Marylebone. The line still has a Parliamentary passenger service which, when I last checked, runs once a week between West Ruislip and West Ealing via, but not stopping at, Greenford.
@@thomasburke2683 It was used by the Banbury service from Paddington long after Euston was electrified. The Banbury service has since been re-extended to Birmingham (with the re-opening of Birmingham Snow Hill station) and transferred to Marylebone.
“What if I told you, it was not an Underground station at all?”
“Well that would be a lie, it clearly is an Underground station, it says it on the sign.”
This was a great video, even if i haven’t been to this station a lot of times
This was a great video. Even though I've never been to Perivale, nor likely ever will.
Jago's changed the way he speaks slightly at times.
Yes, definitely worth covering. I wasn't really aware of this station (even though I travelled from it once many years ago) and it is really rather attractive. The curved/crescent box is a nice variant on the rectangular boxes and round drums of Charles Holden. Good to hear it's Grade 2 listed. Also a reminder of just how rural and depopulated west Middlesex was until the 1920s. There's a photo of Rayners Lane when it was just that - a shack-like halt on a muddy lane in the middle of fields. So no wonder that Perivale was originally a halt and was closed for some years.
Of note. Unpopulated and depopulated are not the same thing.
Nice to see some videos on West London in areas that aren’t so fashionable (Acton, Southall, Perivale, etc) even if they aren’t entirely dedicated videos.
Perivale also the home to the BBC Archive centre,and has along history of storage,relating to the Cinema business. Worth reading some of the history around film and studio's use of the area.
BBC won’t have their Perivale facility much longer I think, they don’t own the building and the landlord I believe wants it back so they’re looking at vacating the place. Shame, as they spent a lot turning the facility into a controlled environment for storing archive film, tape and such. I suspect a good portion of physical archive will be binned as they’re digitizing as much as possible, also a sensible decision given the deteriorating age of the source material.
@@ChristopherWoods I certainly hope that they don't destroy any physical records, although I appreciate why owners are tempted to do so.
Please don’t destroy any history- it’s what makes the UK not America .
The film storage was in the car park of the small Hoover Ltd building in Wadsworth Road.
Thanks!
That street frontage looks great. Nice clean design.
Love this station. I thought it was designed by Holden, so there you go. You learn something new every day!
Perivale isn't on the GW & GC Joint line, this starts at Northolt Junction (near South Ruislip station). The section of line between Old Oak Common and Northolt Junction was owned and only served the GWR until LT electric services started.
I've lived on the Heart of Wales Line for many years (until recently) - lots of Halts. The definition appears to be that stops at those stations aren't scheduled. The timetable allows enough time for trains to stop at some of them, without making the train late, but the stops aren't prescribed, they only happen if requested. Therefore a Halt would be the same as Request Stops for buses, regardless of whatever station facilities there might be.
However, halts have evolved over the years and meant different things on different lines. Most of the Heart of Wales lines ones were originally full sized stations that simply didn't generate enough local traffic. On the Great Western and Southern they tended to be small basic stations added in the early 1900s and served by local services but not medium-distance semi-fasts. Sometimes they were request stops, sometimes not. Some got upgraded over the years if they attracted nearby housing. Good examples are Southbourne, Littlehaven and Ifield in Sussex which all now have direct services to London.
In the English Midlands, however, request stops are and were stations, not halts (with the sole exception of The Lakes Halt). The majority of National Rail stations today meet the historic definition of halt (unstaffed platform with no staff and definitely no goods facilities).
The easiest rule of thumb is "Did this station have staff, buildings and possibly sidings before the Beeching cuts?". If it did then, regardless of its status today, it's not a halt; if it didn't then it _is_ a halt (or a Platform, which was just an earlier GWR term for halts).
I'm not sure why, but this video was in my feed randomly and I'm sort of glad it was even though I don't really have much interest in trains/railways.
It interests me a bit because waaaay back in the early 90s, I travelled from Bristol to Perivale just to buy a hard drive/upgrade to my Amiga. I did this since I used to got to London about once a month to indulge my hobbies at the time, comics/modelling/gaming.
I must have travelled through Perivale, hundreds of times in the early 80s, but never got off! Thanks for sketching in some background! Looking forward to more Central line stations..
What great timing! Just finished cleaning up the kitchen after putting the kids to bed and a new video just dropped!
Welcome to Peivale sounds like a really cute children's show, or an old fashioned amusement park ride, with musical animatronics.
Lovely station.
That part of the video, where the 2 trains are leaving their respected platforms, there's 2 people that walk by. Im now thinking that maybe 1 of these, is the elusive, great, Mr Jago. Top work once again, and another excellent Hazzard production.
Another excellent piece, Mr H, and entirely up to your excellent standard. Thanks. Simon T
Do you think a "single carriage train" was trying to cut or equal the costs of running a tram?
My parents moved to Oxfordshire in the late 50s when I was 2. My earliest memories of going into London for Motor Shows and Ideal home exhibitions was down the A40 so very familiar with the place names like Perivale (Hanger Lane, White City, Uxbridge) which the road ran past. Just the names trigger those memories. Never did the trains out that way until very recently when I went to Park Royal (Tesla Garage) and came back from Hanger Lane.
The GWR ran railmotors (ie a single carriage with an integral steam engine) from the early 1900s for local services around West London but also in places like Plymouth. They moved on to autocoaches where the steam engine was separable again but there was a driving cab up the other end of the carriage as well.
"Single carriage train" is an oxymoron.
@@tt-ew7rx technically a single carriage train can be a series of connected vehicles running along a track, given only if the engine is seperable from the carriage.
Mm
@@xander1052 Yes. But single carriage trains today is just a non-bendy single-story bus on rails.
Nice, I had no idea the GWR actually built that. Worth noting that the Central Line didn't totally replace the original services on that line when it was extended to West Ruislip, as there is still a British/National Rail line there as well, used for freight and diversions. Until recently the occasional Chiltern service would go to Paddington that way (until HS2 works severed the connection at Old Oak Common)
Thanks for sharing! I love these little tid bits
Nothing spectacular, but deserving of its place in history, Thank you Jago.
I was born in Perivale maternity hospital (no longer there), and my dad worked for Hoover in the Hoover building…but to my knowledge I’ve never used Perivale station. I may have to rectify that…one day…
I was born there too!
@@grahamwhitworth9454 Me too! 1964.
When I worked at the V&A Museum they had some kind of storage facility at Perivale (don't know where exactly - I never had occasion to visit it). It wasn't a popular location for many of the warders who were responsible for its security. (For one thing, their London Weighting allowance there was at the lower Outer London rate.)
Re the Hoover factory: George Melly relates how he went for a drive along the A40 with Mick Mulligan shortly after they'd first met, some time in the late 1940s. As they passed the building Melly commented "all that to suck up dirt" (only he used a stronger word). Mulligan was allegedly so tickled by the remark he decided on the spot to have Melly as vocalist with the jazz band he was forming. The rest is musical history.
I saw George Melly and his band perform live once. He said to us the audience that the pinstripe suit one of the band was wearing was made from aerial photos of Clapham Junction. Naturally,he relished a dash of naughtiness (vulgarity,the easily-offended said) among the jokes he told. His son went to my school,which had Johnny Dankworth and Cleo Laine among its patrons.
Videos like this remind me of Socrates' saying "All I know is I know nothing". Always a pleasure to learn about the history behind the train stations in the UK, as I would have never known otherwise.
The only time I've visited Perivale was in 1990,the company I worked for had a factory nearby.
It's been a few years since I've witnessed it; I used to get the push&pull from CBR to GFD and change, but getting on at Perivale eastbound early-morning peak had long been an atrocious experience. If that wasn't the case, I might have just walked to Perivale most mornings. Maybe Liz line opening has now moved Central Line trains from the Ealing Broadway to the West Ruislip branch though.
If only modern train stock would incorporate 30's and 40's interior design into them to match the stations. Oh for those flickering incandescent light bulbs and horsehair and sprung Moquette seats, that were actually comfortable and the rubber ball headed hanging straps of the old stock that was running in the 60's and 70's. Classic design could meet modern mechanicals and electronics. Art Deco didn't really die until the Festival of Britain in the early 50's. It still looks modern today.
Many a football hooligan were happy to remove those ball headed straps to use as weapons 😟
Nah, the old interiors were too dark, and I find the modern grab rails far easier to hold on to, instead of swaying around on a rubber ball 😁
@@PlanetoftheDeaf I hate modern bright white lighting, I much prefer the yellowish glow of an incandescent light. Even hated the fluorescent tubes in the office as they were only ever changed when they failed so were constantly flickering after a year, we turned most off and relied on the desk Anglepoise lamps. As long as enough light on a train to do The Times crossword (rarely completed by the time I got to the office) that was as bright as I needed. Yes I have LED's at home, the filament type ones that replicate the light of an incandescent bulb. Never used the hangers as too short for it to be comfortable to hold on to, just leaned against a partition, end wall or the edge of a seat back if no seat avaliable. Luckily our hours meant that I was travelling outside of peak hours. (Rotating 24hr 3 shift pattern)
Another splendid video Jago!
Will you also be covering the Central Line proposed extension to Denham? You could even take in the aerodrome there (pop quiz, how many London Transport stations are, or were (or were supposed to be) near aerodromes (and indeed, aircraft factories)? Burnt Oak/Queensbury (Stag Lane aerodrome), Cricklewood (Cricklewood aerodrome), Colindale (RAF Hendon/Hendon aerodrome), Heathrow obviously (Fairey's factory originally), North Weald (aerodrome of the same name), Croydon obviously, Battersea Heliport maybe? Northolt for Northolt, Uxbridge for Uxbridge. Can't think of a suitable station for Biggin Hill though. Others?
Oh, thank goodness, someone will finally explain to this Aussie exactly what a halt is/was, and why they're extinct in Oz. Perivale looks quite nice!
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat As someone born and bred in Perivale I agree on the lack of facilities - a mile walk to the nearest pub from where I used to live. However, I disagree on industrial activity - Perivale has a huge industrial estate! Up until the 1970s the factories made stuff as well, now mostly warehousing and car repairs. The most famous was Hoovers who had a big factory on the A40.
@@sirmeowthelibrarycat I lived in Launceston Gardens off Bilton Road. I believe my house was built in 1932. I was talking about the factories in Aintree Road/Wadsworth Road, which were built in the 1930s. The Hoover factory opened on 2nd May 1933. The big Sanderson wallpaper factory in Horsenden Lane was built in 1930 (replaced by a small council estate in the 1970s).
The church was originally St. Mary's in Perivale Lane, parts of which date back to the 13th Century. This was taken over by St. Nicholas's built in Federal Road in the 1950s or 60s(?). The community centre was on Horsenden Lane South - I went to playgroup there in 1967!
Not extinct, I hope..... in Jan 1970 I caught the train to Wollongong at Omega Point request stop, just north of Gerringong,,, ( I didn't know there was actually a proper station in G'gong itself....)
In NZ, on the Wairarapa Line , on the Plains side there is a halt ( if you like ) at Matarawa and one at Maymorn.
Perivale Halt, such a fabulous name, I wonder how I can utilise this in future literature
I was born in the maternity hospital that's now demolished. Live near Perivale, never been back there yet.
I'm guessing, not your fault.
I spent years at greenford between 1999-2002 then moved to the midlands for 20 years, it was so weird coming back to ealing Acton in 2022 during hs2 being built in old oak common
I hope someday I will be able get Grade II listed too. Design. Age. Uniqueness. Quality.
Built for Purpose....
Ah, Perivale. I liked its style. My go-to park and ride station back in the day after a car journey from Gloucester, until they heavily restricted parking nearby. It meant avoiding the Hangar Lane gyratory going further into town until the anticipated A40 dualling upgrade into White City which, in the end never happened.
Nowadays it's train all the way from North Wales in to Brutalist Euston #Assonance, so I miss Perivale completely. A shame in a way.
Beautiful, Uxbridge, Harrow-the-Hill, and Rayners Lane pls...maybe a slice of South Harrow? Love your work
Stopping westbound on a 62 tube stock could be interesting. It’s downhill to Perivale and you got a lot of speed up.
Classic British understatement Jago. With those parameters, i think they did one helluva fine job !:-)
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Another interesting fact Mr H...... London Transport actually got around to making enamel destination plates with Denham on them before the extension was dropped. I actually have one, how many others exist i don't know.......
Very good job... Thanks Jago!
Weirdly, the name is homophonous to перевал, which means "a mountain pass".
In my land if a railway halt has junctions and more than two platforms, it is a station (if you can let the train pass or combine cars into a new train). But in metro they are all stations
The front of Perivale is similar to the South Western station at Surbiton, Surrey.
Until 1969 I lived in Woodrow Close, and worked at Sanderson's, next to the station.
Woodhouse Close surely? Did you know Barry May? ...and Shirley James?
Cute little station. I was at Greenford, one stop along, the other day. That had an Art Deco vibe to it. And an inclined elevator. Could you please do a video, Mr. H?
He's made a vid on the inclined elevator already.
Someone told me Greenford has a wooden escalator. Lived there for 6 months and never knew that. Idk if jago knows anything about that
@@geznicks I think it has now gone.
Used Northolt a lot as a teenager, sixty years ago. Wish I had explored Perivale now.
Jago love your work !
I'm amazed at the number of people who remember the final days of Old Who before the Beeb (perhaps mercifully) killed it off
It's a cultural institution.
Note to be confused with Perry Vale - in the Sydenham/Crystal Palace area
Thank you Jago another great piece of info 👌😎 regards Fred
Nice to know their habit of under-delivering hasn't changed.
No connection between that GWR and the current one...
@@robc.9559 Except the work ethic.
Other than Oxford Circus and Aldgate East, I think I’ve used Perivale more than any other. It is actually quite a handy and neat station.
Excellent, my home town!
Used to be a really useful station for me to go direct to the centre of town. Then, inevitably, the parking restrictions started to appear. ☹ Hey ho! Another good one Jago.
I would have said Perivale was a Holden Station like Alperton
Lots of my fellow Doctor Who fans make a pilgrimage to Perivale as that's where final original series companion Ace came from. Haven't got round to it myself yet. Neither do I fancy riding a motorbike on Horsenden Hill!
Horsenden Hill is beautiful and has great views. Recommended.
The history is so wonderfully convoluted.
Was wondering if any Great Western Railway stock (at the original gauge) still survives and if it can be visited?
2:06 I like that the passenger there stopped and realised you were filming, and hastily stepped backwards to not obstruct it. You don’t get many people like that, I’m a photographer so I know how annoying it is 😅 great video nontheless. (Did you beckon him to carry on btw? ;))
Thank you!
My Mum had a very very old hoover which, along with 'by appointment to George IV' had 'Hoover Perivale' written on the front. Up until 8 minutes ago that was the sum total of my knowledge of Perivale.
That's the only reason I know where Perivale is! The 'famous' Hoover/Tesco building is a useful landmark on the A40.
That would be one very early vacuum cleaner - George IV was king from 1820 to 1830, and I don't think Hoover were yet in business at that time! I think you actually mean George VI (1936 to 1952)!
@@CaseyJonesNumber1 indeed I do. In fact I think it said by appointment to the late king George VI which makes it around 1952
@@LesD9 used to be a nice sight from the train too.. unfortunately yesterday i saw that there is a new build being constructed between the hoover building and the track which obscures it almost completely. sad stuff :(
@0:09 Is the yellow/black structure across the road an anti-strike bar? Or maybe just a pipe or cable bridge?
Horrible, isn't it? You can always tell when street footage of London is more than a certain age, owing to the absence of such ghastly objects and colour schemes.
Another fab video, I didn't know anything about this station!
Thanks for shining a light upon another quirk of the Underground, Jago - I had no idea that this wasn't an LT design, and especially by the Great Western, whose attempts at Moderne in the 30s were half-hearted, to say the least. Charles Holden it ain't, but a pretty decent attempt to keep in the spirit. The Southern would do integrated design much better, particularly at Surbiton, and those fabulous stations on the Chessington branch (subject for a future feature, maybe?)
You’re in luck! Jago already has a great video on the Chessington Branch 😊
@@hyperdistortion2 Excellent! Cheers, I'll look it out.
Edit - well, that's embarrassing. Not only did I watch it first time around, but posted a comment, too. Mrs T tells me that I never remember anything. Perhaps she's got a point...
I made a handful of trips from Greenford back home to the East. Missed out on Perivale.
As the crow flies Alperton seems close but trying to get there from Aldgate East was quite the excursion( well over the hour). Have you covered that or is it on the "To do list"?
Great video sir.
I was going to mention nice use of the Hanger Lane gyratory in the video. For those not familiar with it, it's where the North Circular Road (A406) and the Western Avenue (A40 converge) as you can guess, this is very well known to me from my days on the road pre pandemic. Just think wacky races controlled by 4 sets of traffic lights and almost every one in the wrong lane and trying to converge from 4 sometimes 5 lanes of traffic in to 2 lanes. How I miss it. When you make the film about Hanger Lane (note not HANGAR Lane) make sure you take in the land mark that is the Hoover Building, now part residential part commercial development and also the former site of Starvin Marvin's which was an american style diner in an airstream caravan, Now sadly removed and a housing development built on the site. Ok nothing to do with Perivale, apart from if you head north from the statrion and cross the canal, there's a rather fine brewery just there.
I'm currently visiting my brother in Dalston, and he's been dragging me all over on the tube. I've been secretly hoping to make a cameo in a Jago video. One can dream.
A station I’ve never heard of - considering it was the GWR that built the station, that’s a pretty good station building.
In all truth, when I saw the picture of the subject matter, I assumed this would be a straightforward exercise in appraising another well styled station that had aged well and displayed the positive aesthetic characteristics one associates with so much of London Undergound’s architecture in the first half of the 20th century 🤷🏻♂️
And yet! Within seconds we realise it is indeed an oddity. And in view of what you rightly point out as the GWR’s highly conservative attitude towards building design, I too am amazed at what they achieved. The canopy looks splendid albeit the original design would, I suspect, have seen it more neatly end than simply stop in mid curve. However, I actually rather like this as it gives it a rather endearing asymmetric quality! 🤔
And that stairwell is simple and yet stylish in the way it curves upwards rather than just a pair of straight steps with a jaunty angle half way up. Plus, being a lover of station front lay-bys (I don’t know why, but even as a kid drawing roads for my cars, there simply HAD to be a lay-by for buses) I rather like how the canopy sort of hugs it 😂
Can I call a station cute? Meh, I’m going to anyway 🤓
Cin-cin! 🥂🍀👍
Great video Jago
Ohhh I love Hanger Lane, so fascinating, can’t wait for a video there
With the GWR involvement and its eccentric spelling it may have been Perivale Halte for a while although this usage was declining by then. Depends what the signs would have shewn.
This was the most boring area of London until the pandemic changed things. We have a farmer's market, bakery and brewery now. They are just up the road from the station at horsendon hill. The hill is an amazing area for wildlife.
Also for rolling down the hills....when I was much younger of course😂
Regarding the use of the Met's Paddington (Bishop's Road) station rather than the GWR's mainline station, it's worth nothing that at the time Perivale opened, Paddington Station only had Brunel's original three spans, and a maximum of 8 platforms. There was a bit of a gap between the main station and Bishop's Road. The fourth span, with the suburban platforms - now being used for Elizabeth Line trains to points westward - was built between 1906 and 1915. Platform 12 arrived in 1913, Platform 11 in 1915 and Platform 10 in 1916. (The platforms are now numbered 11, 12 and 14.)
If you've ever wondered why the Bakerloo line takes such a sharp turn to serve Paddington, my theory is that it was so that the line could run, and the platforms be built, under London Street rather than going under the mainline station. But, you may say, the Bakerloo *is* under the station! And where is London Street? Yes, it is under the station *now*: but the Bakerloo got there first. London Street disappeared under the suburban extension of the station - somewhere under platform 12.
Having said that, the Bakerloo never had much of a surface building at Paddington. Presumably it was always intended that most passengers would descend from the mainline station, or access via the Metropolitan/District building on the south side of Praed Street. As of April 2021, the surface building seems to have been demolished. There will be a new entrance as part of the Paddington Square development, expected to be opened in 2023.
The suburban platforms were built right up next to Bishop's Road station, which is why the Met's platforms eventually got renumbered to 15 and 16, following on from the mainline platforms. This made more sense when it was possible to walk directly from one to the other, but I believe this ended when ticket barriers were introduced (1980s?), requiring a walk out to the road and back in to the Met's ticket hall.
I don't know if any of this is why services to Perivale started out from Bishop's Road station, but it may be that the GWR just didn't have space at the main station at the time.
If "we" are going to debate what constitutes a "halt", may we also debate the differences between "build" ,"pop up" and "put up"? In serious vein, I am intrigued by the large beam across the road beside, but separate from, the railway bridge. It appears to be some type of buttress.
I believe that was put up to stop HGVs crashing into the bridge.
Thanks JP and SGP. Whilst I believe you, it is interesting that there is a beam only on the south side of the two over bridges and not the north. The clearance is the same at 15' 6". The other difference is the shallower ends of the cutting under the single southern bridge, especially on the station side of the road. I still think both explanations have some merit (buttress and HGV guard), unless you can say there is no threat from HGVs on the north side.
@@JP_TaVeryMuch Yes, that's the story I heard as well. It was put in some time between 1995 and 2015 (sorry I don't remember the exact date) when some new warehouses were opened just north of the station.
I had no idea such an architectural gem existed outside the traditional Holden territory. But that staircase looks to offer a formidable climb from sea level to tracks. Did anyone ever consider installing an escalator?
I imagine a halt to be simple platform/s built without sidings or signal box or any permanent staff... Jago is going to prove me in error, for sure.
That actually seems a pretty good description as a comparison to a "normal" or "traditional" station. It would just have been a stopping place for local passenger services, built on the cheap.
"You are the Doctor Who to my hidden Daleks.'
I'm interested in what a 'Halt' actually is. I want an official border map for where Stonebridge Park, Park Royal, Ealing and Perivale's borders are and meet 🤨
The line was GWR all the way to Aynho Junction via the Bicester cut off.....
.....the GC was involved in its construction and had running rights but was limited to Marylebone-Greenford before branching off at Ashendon Junction to join their old London Extension North of Quainton.
This took place after numerous and acrimonious fallings out with the Metropolitan over who's line they originally got to London....
In fact the line was fully jointly owned by the GWR and GCR all the way from Northolt Junction to Ashendon Junction, beyond Princes Risborough, plus the PR-Aylesbury branch. It was entitled the GW and GC Joint Line. After the 1923 grouping it became GW and LNE joint until nationalisation. The GW always made more use of it than the GC/LNE though.
The old GWR and the GCR,in many ways,redoubtable companions,as there station architecture were in many aspects,ahead of the current thinking! Sir Sam Fay,was a master of seeing the future and designing well ahead of need!(By the way,a video of his prowess is overdue)!Any way,Jago,your work as usual is excellent and thank you for the knowledge gained!![For reference,see George Dow's,trilogy on the Great Central]. Thanks again 😀 👍 👏 😊 😄 😉 😀 👍 👏 😊 😄!
Perivale, like Deerfield, Illinois, is a place that I always assumed was fictional when I was a youngster. I've since seen first-hand that Deerfield is real; as for Perivale, I'll have to take Jago's word for it. :)
I was born in Perivale Maternity Hospital on Western Avenue by Medway Parade, and spent the first twenty three years of my life in Perivale. It existed then but now...
Welcome 🙏 to Jagovale!!
Haven't been back to Perivale for years but back in the sixties the station boasted big proper toilets. Are they still there does anyone know? Apart from Earls Court, Perivale is the only underground station that I know that had toilets. Given that Perivale was very underpopulated when the station was built it's a mystery to me why only this station was selected to build a substantial toilet facility.
Stamford Brook, Hammersmith (cheating, as it's a shopping arcade) and North Ealing are your friends.
Yup, we still have toilets at Perivale!
Baker Street used to have loos I recall by the eastbound original metropolitan platform.
Overbuilt?
@@hardtailchop This is good to know, as I have to go up there. Thank you.
I have been to Haltwhistle - I suppose that got its name from the time?