Gaijin's TONE DEAF Response
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- I've played War Thunder for 10 years. Join me as we chat about recent ongoings with the boycotts and economy changes. And Gaijins tone deaf response.
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Apparently they will shut down the game if the community does another steam review bomb. Guess what? Time to write a negative review.
Bet
If they shut down the game I get to go outside, sounds like a win for me
No more money for them
Same
the point is, my life goes on without war thunder, not sure whether gaijin could survive without it though. time to hit them where it hurts, again :)
Gajin: We will shut down the game if you do another review bomb
Community:Bet
there’s way too much money involved, they would never do it
@@weiwu1442 i don't care about the money that i put in the game, if i cant have fun with the money that i already paid it doesnt matter if the game is shut down or not
@@weiwu1442 if they’re stubborn asshats, they probably will.
Let’s go!
@@weiwu1442 yeah when i read that i was so skeptical. Gaijin has made a shit ton of money from war thunder, the only competitor i even know of is enlisted which is significantly less expansive. They would lose a massive source of revenue just like that.
If the game shuts down, Gaijin will fade into obscurity, and I'll have an excuse to go outside. Seems like a win-win.
If the game shuts down, finally there is room in the market for some actually respectful company to develop a game
The game is so frustrating, sometimes I'm silently hoping to get perma banned when insulting people (I know I shouldn't) because it would make me a free man. 😂
@@helohel5915 You war thunder victims need to stop being victims.
You know it's bad when even WOTB has a better economy then you
You see outside as a win??!! [shudder]
"F2p players are already playing and already having fun." how bold of them to assume us f2p players are having fun losing SL almost every match.
The only reason I'm at 4.5 million sl right now gaijin?
Because the wagers (that you nearly put a fucking timer on as well) and boosters that force you to play or never have them
@@williewilson2250 i have lots of wagers but never get what they ask so i don't bother using them
@@Spido68_the_spectator there are only like 5 useful ones
I am having so much fun in war thunder losing my SL after getting sniped across the map and getting no kills
@@williewilson2250 Snail, I want wagers...
Gaijin: Wish granted, my children. Now all you have to do is get Heavy Metal Hero/Fury several times consecutively. You have 3 chances.
Yay thank you Snail...
Wow the part about "If the game shuts down nobody wins" part really is the most out of touch thing I have ever heard.
Like yeah, if the game shuts down you get no money, that's what happens when you piss players off into leaving that's the entire point. It's the consoquences of your actions.
this summes up the entire problem
Nobody wins but only gaijin will lose. We will lose a game by a developer who has shown they no longer care about the community and we will find other joys in life to occupy our time. We don't win but we also don't lose. Make your play gaijin a lot of us could care less anymore if this game continues
Also if it did shit down hopefully a good company would come a long and develop a good alternative since there would be a big empty hole in the market. Either paid or free to play. Someone better would hopefully capitalize on gaijins stupidity to fight the community rather than work with it
They would be killing themselves as a company shutting down their most popular game. If war thunder gets shut down gaijin gets shut down.
Comunity is the one wining in the long run. Gajin hold market monopoly. If they shut War Thunder down they will let go of it and create space for more reasonable dev to take over without having to fight the overfed giant that is Gajin after milking War Thunder for so many years
Gaijin logic "you are not allowed to give us bad review"
“You can’t give the player everything, they won’t know what to do and leave the game”
Gaijin: Give them top tier premiums to buy.
🤷♂️
Also Gaijin: Straight up rely on content creators and the (quite volatile and unpredictable) playerbase to give "tutorials" on said top tier premiums.
And i am a rank 4 player, bought the leo and sometimes shoot the shit out of the enemy team. but of course, it's overwhelming gaijin and we are all brain dead people.
Yeah Gaijin thinks we are retarded children and know nothing about a f2p game. Stupid Company
If i had all the content in the game, i would play the heck out of it. Look, i can play what i want, when i want it and learn to play the game at my own pace. Like, its with every full price game without microtransactionas and DLC and all that Bullshit.
Getting all the content from start is something people really love, thats why Garry´s mod and other sandbox games are such behemoths. And the good games that had progression systems, had console commands and cheat codes to sidestep it, if it got in your way.
But gaijin hammered down there monetization on the progression system so hard, it just became a burden to the gameplay overall.
Gaijin should really look at Team Fortress 2 and other good free-to-play games for how to moentize a free-to-play game without effecting the gameplay of the game.
Like, how many peopel can actually enjoy the E-100 or IS-7? If gameplay effecting things like the vehicles in a vehicle combat game are locked behind paywalls, it allready failed to be free-to-play.
This, exactly. Lol. been in WT since 2014, but all of this is too much ignorance or dismisiveness on their side, can't even begin to get into the sheer imbalance of many tiers of game mechanics in WT. Overall, it was far better prior to the 2018-2019 changes.
don't forget the $300+ pay to win GJN vehicles that are under tiered and insanely OP
"you can't give a player everything at once"... Gaijin... When have you ever given us anything straight up? Ever? Not once have I ever logged into the game and received a notification that I've gotten a free test drive for any vehicle of my choice, or a free pack of universal backups, a free bush, a free day of premium, a free anything outside of god damn boosters... So many games I play reward players for their continued support, even for logging in after periods of maintenance where servers were offline. Gaijin give absolutely nothing to us players outside of extra homework via the addition of more vehicles we'll get after a years worth of on and off grinding. Screw this company man, holy crap
Wargaming at least gives free premium time just for reading the news article. They even gave me a free on a Warspite in wows for no reason.
they even go one step further and DEBT peoples accounts ... WHAT OTHER GAME DOES THAT ????
I got a free Premium Vehicle after some Warbond hoarding and a 10x Free Universal Backups from the large crates
Other than that i was given nothing at all
@@Hatsuzu yup i no longer play wot and i still receive mails from them giving me sometimes free tanks and free trials of tanks but i never log in
Yeah they never give anything for free. Even when they "give out" vehicles and cosmetics, there's some sort of grind attached to it, even it's something simple and easy. Sure playing a few matches isn't hard, but if you're going to do that, why not just actually give the item out?
i hope the community keeps up the heat with this
what we need is to kiril to step down nothing else or move to a complete different position.
@@jenokrivanszki7762nope, its not only the head of the company, the entire of it is filled with money greed rot at this point. We burn it down or drastically change, theyve been ignoring the playerbase as a whole for too long.
what bugs me about the 80% figure is that it's not telling if it's 80% of active players or 80% of players who've ever launched the game.
most likely the second. and even if its 20% of active players, thats still a SHITLOAD amount of money when they peak at 150K players daily
From context, I reckon it's players who have ever launched the game
@@Wienerslinky yeah right. Player number gone incredibley up. I remember peak times of 100k on the weekend. Today 150k in the week, at the morning.
20% of players paying in a free-to-play game is actually pretty substantial. Warzone tries to hit a 10% mark, same with PlanetSide, and fortnite.
What would also be interesting to know is how they define a paying player. Is to paying once for anything? Is it a specific threshold amount? Is it quarterly or yearly etc
PhlyDaily made a video that showcases our problem greatly. He didn’t know how bad it really was until he took out a 3 premium tank load out into ground rb, got 8 kills and still didn’t break 50,000 sl. You can’t even be good at the game and make profit. Gaijin is insane
Because ground doesn’t make money. Air and really naval is where sl is made. Ground is just slop gaijin throws out cause they know its the biggest pit players flock to
Have premiuma account and premium vehicle and berely make any profit. I WANT MY MONEY BACK :(
5 years ago that would have easily been over 100k sl and 20k to 30k rp with that lineup but now since the consist nerf to the economy you really can't do that anymore
You can make 1 mil SL in naval in like 6 hours, impossible in ground
@@junyutan2172 because they capped earnings after 15 minutes
Ash, let me tell you how bad this is.
Im going to celebrate my own ten year anniversary in December.
Ive never gotten a jet.
out of curiosity how havent u gotten any jet because i used to be f2p and i was able to grind out the german tree in like 500ish
EDIT for ground
@@ms_vive8426 Noooope. I am on the cusp of getting a jet on all my tech trees but God it's such a slog.
damn didn't know how bad it is (I buy prem everytime I want to have something new)
@@madcat789 i see you were doing several trees at the same time
10 year player also and have plenty of jets. But never flown them in battle. My comfort zone, i.e. sweet spot is 6.0 - 7.0 for my entertainment. 😁
10 years of war thunder and Gaijin is 1 step away from openly admitting how much they despise the playerbase, It's not a loss if they shut the servers I'd rather try going outside than deal with Gaijins animosity anymore.
Doesnt Gaijin Entertainment actually means "Etertainment of foolish/idiotic people"?
@@shagal2142 That’s probably a joke but Gaijin literally is a Japanese word for Foreigner (otherwise used for any kind of outsider for the user of the word).
Gaijin realy being the abusive / psyco GF
Then we may get a fan server after a few years and we can play whatever’s we want
so you all war thunder player admit that you don't go outside lmao
Its time for a new CEO and higher ups at Gaijin HQ
Agree
like hell that's ever happening
Time for a whole new company to take over War Thunder, more like
@@Firebolt193 EA would unironically do a better job.
@@finkyfamboni4333 at this point yeah
Once the game actually goes down, there is no coming back. Gaijin wants war, let's give it to them. If they are willing to prove THEIR point by going this far, then there truly is nothing we can do to change their stubborn minds.
The irony of having the revolution during the French namesake update lmao
@@williewilson2250 it is destiny
@@williewilson2250 agreed
The 80% is just a manipulation statistic, it's total players ever. Let's see how many pay and are Rank 5 or 6.
honestly I started war thunder because I thought it was cool and also I like that sorta stuff but now its just out of hand it needs to be shutdown or changed if the people are recreating a revolution or something or boycotting harder than the Americans dumping tea in the sea im in on throwing this trash heap into the flame to shut it down once and for all
"We value our players" yeah the way they consistently ignore, invalidate, and dismiss player feedback.
nothing says "we value our players and their feed back" more then denying any and all attempts to balance the game by the players own research. forcing people to leak classified documents. spookston did a video on this a little bit ago about how he and others would provide official unclassified documents to prove vehicles did or had certain attributes. and gaijin would be like "thats not enough proof to prove that. so we wont change anything" or the whole parts and FPE. or reducing grind just a smidge. or anything. "we value our players" no you value our wallets. not us.
We value our players' wallets
Guys calm down, Gaijins just trying to hit the word count on the essay
They must have gotten an AI to write this one
Nice one
“I am taking these prisoners, to imprison them... in prison.”
Two possibilities
- gaijin doesn't know what fun is
- gaijin really knows what fun is and of course it is not allowed because : yummm buy GEs if you can't repair hehe
do you really run into issues where you can't afford repairs? I am a new WT player but i've never had that issue.
@@HarrDarr when i was new i used to have about 1,5 millions SL, then rank 5 and upwards happened...
@@HarrDarr do you have a complete lineup on top tier? Probably not, the issues start after tier 5, you start making negative silver lions every match
@@HarrDarr In my personal case, no. but consider that i play since 2014 and i took a lot of prem vehicles with warbonds so i'm basically rich. in case of new players of course these things will discourage them
@@HarrDarr just keep playing
They claim 80% of the playerbase has never paid, i suspect that this statistic might be (factually/statistically) true and (in spirit) false at the same time. It is very easy to phrase statements about statistics in such a way that you are right. They could easily have grabbed the full list of accounts that have ever played, counted the ones that had ever paid more than 0.01USD, and gotten statistics to back up that statement.
This totally leaves out lots and lots of other aspects, such as active accounts or hours played per account. I wonder how many of those 80% have more than 10 hours of gameplay, for example. Very easy to install the game, play a match, not pay anything and fuck off forever. Congrats, you are now a Gaijin StatisticTM.
This is like those games where you have an achievement for beating the tutorial or something and 46% of players have it
It's probably true because in the state it is in why would anyone pay, I've not paid much into it despite the potential I see in the game. I heard it a lot from players saying they will not pay for anything in the game because of the developers, the balance, the economy etc. Players not paying in itself is a form of protest, one the devs have been completely deaf to or too stupid to realise.
The f2p monetisation is like that for any game of that type ever made. The money makers are the whales who spend thousands in a single game.
This kind of games are born from psychological research in the gaming market.
Gaijin earns by favouring the small dedicated playerbase willing to spend a lot.
Of course this makes the game unpleasant for the average player.
I have more than 4k hours in the game. I can hop into a premium biplane anytime and destroy new players, earning a decent quantity of silver lions doing that.
Very fair.
any bounds to get a statistic beyond the base number of players that have played the game and players that have paid is entirely arbitrary. Why just 10 hours as the limit, why not 15, or 20, or 50? im sure the statistics change rapidly based on which of those you pick. Do you kinda see what im getting at here?
Exactly ‼️‼️
Proof Gaijin has gone fully insane.
Gaijin went insane years ago.
@@Nick-rs5if Yep and Wolfman is proof.
That is what happens to communists
@@mikem9536 Wolf ain't terrible. Bad, but not the worst guy here.
They're not insane they're just ideological communists.
Isn’t amazing what a community can do when they come together
It's incredible to see how many people are right on the same track and are MORE than willing to call Gaijin's bluff. The community is getting farther and farther past simply being sick of this kind of treatment, people are starting to feel actively antagonistic towards Gaijin.
I think it's a beautiful thing.
Apes together, strong
If gaijin merely doubled the reward modifiers similarly to the five times multipliers on the dev server everybody would be happier.
This is true but what would be better is if all of the dev server vehicles were all researched already like if the dev server isnt going to make any progress on our regular war thunder account why cant we be able to test drive all of the new vehicles in the dev server?
@@Jordan_united yeah that would certainly be nice
Definitely, even 5x multiplier on the dev server still takes some time to grind what you want. I’d say 2x what we already get would be a welcome change.
@@デヴィン it'd take a load off of theshoulders of the F2P half of the playerbase, nd while it would put less pressure on players to buy premiums, if they really want better gains, premiums and premium time are still available, cause it's already something like two-three times the rewards compared to non-premium usage.
Not to mention the progression would become more fun and enjoyable since F2P players wouldn't have to worry about affording the repair costs of their vehicles like they do so often these days.
They used too, in 1.43-1.61 the first match of the day for each nation had a 5x multiplier
Gaijin can just go ahead and shut down if it wants to. Been playing since 2013 and at this point, war thunder shutting down would be very good for my mental and physical health. If they shut down I can just go play DCS where it seems like the devs actually care about their product
You can just go DCS right now, you dont have to wait for them to the shut the game down, that was always an option
or they just make the game better and start listening to us
If they do they'd better refund us
@@p_filippouz lmao, never ever gonna happen x,D
@@mr_confuse then people WILL file a lawsuit. I already know that.
"Progression provides opportunities for gradual learning and engaging the players" which is why you can make an entire top tier lineup out of premiums I suppose
Lmao, actually real. Leave it to Gaijin to say shit like that.
"Recent reviews: Mostly Negative (27,000)"
Yup, this one's doing the numbers
I would love if more people would start advocating for deleting Repair cost entirely. It doesnt serve any purpose besides punishing for playing the game, and fakely discouraging people from playing certain vehicles
IMO repair costs should still be there but they should be greatly reduced. Repair costs are one of the reason why people play the game to a serious extent and reduces the amount of players that will just rush in and leave the match causing one team to lose. so having some risk in your spawn should be there
@@mythical_4275 the risk is that you only have one spawn that's enough incentive to not die draining my sl balance of 15k silver lions just punishes you harshly for no reason
Repair costs should exist, as they punish you for rushing like a headless chicken without thinking any kind of strategy.
But they shouldn't be higher than 6k max. Even for the best vehicles.
Repair costs should exist but in the capacity that wot has it, that on a average game your rep cost is only a third to an eighth of ur earnings
@@p_filippouz you mean punished for playing the game? not everyone is good at games you know. And for playing badly slower progression (less rp and sl) is more than enough punishment. There is no reason for a player to LOSE progression becouse he sucks, that just makes the game extremely stressful to play.
If the game shuts down, Gaijin loses it all and the players will move on to other games the next day while reminiscing about the good times they had before it all was ruined for greed's sake
If they shutdown the game everyone on PC at least will just move to dcs
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 Tank players will be left stranded and hopefully somebody, anybody else will pick up the demand for the semi-realistic component based tank combat.
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 DCS is a sim, war thunder is a semi realistic mulitplayer PVP,
they arent the same, and unless we have a water cooled skyscraper, a joystick, and any money left, we cant play it
@@MichelleW870agreed, people compare wt with dcs and they forgive are not the same type of game...
Progression my arse. They sell $70 top tier premiums to players with no lineup and no experience in the game just to get one shot and leave.
Well people with regular top tier tanks also quit after one death, because they're already in red (they only got 5 kills when they should have gotten 7, skill issue)
To be honest this is gonna blow up in Gaijin’s face very badly if they don’t have a change of heart soon. Also I find it crazy that the devs are like actually threatening players? Good grief I hope they rethink everything they said.
theyre basically saying if we tell steam players what theyre doing they'll not let us play anymore they didnt even try to imply a threat they threw it straight at our face. dont know about the community but i wont want a game that threatens its players to live
I actually hope they don't, I hope they finnaly crash and burn and War Thunder dies, Because this gives the highest chance of a competitor to step in and make a good war thunder alternative where they actually care for the game and the community, or a 3rd party that sees the potential buys over war thunder. either way, we will probably be better off at the end.
@@Warkip Alright fair point. Still what’s sad is that the game itself has a lot of potential the devs are wasting if they make changes that are not difficult to do.
Lol if game progression needs to be slow in order to keep players around then why has DCS World gotten so popular and remains popular? It is difficult to start in, difficult to learn, difficult to "Have fun" in, there is no economy, no rewards, no unlocking, no premium air craft, but their players plays play constantly anyway. Gaijin is completely out of touch with how gamers work. Honestly if I had the money i'd dump Gaijin and go to DCS right now. Fuck em, DCS looks like tons of fun and no stress other than learning how to operate the machines.
Just reminded, me I got to fire up my Sabre and go MIG hunting. at least in DCS I wont be up against 2 and 3rd gen jets.
Then just play DCS, you always had the option
@@dixieduffy7 same,i need to clear up some space so I can hunt F-18s in my anime J-11 😂😂 fuck I love dcs
@@slimcurry7117the issue with “just go play dcs” is that it’s a game that is very expensive and very time consuming
The modules themselves can be upwards of £60 (saying this there is almost constantly sales and promo codes and first modules for new players is 50% off) and that’s the cheap part if dcs
It’s feasible to play with 2d monitor and mouse+keyboard but due to the realistic non arcade style flight characteristics, flight control gear and some version of eye/head tracking is highly recommended for a fun experience, and from my own venture in this equipment, your looking at 200-300 pounds for semi decent mid range stuff.
None of this includes the powerhouse of you will also need which also isn’t cheap right now.
And dcs being a game that requires a minimum of 100-150+ hours to learn even the basic modules shows dedication
Simply switching to dcs is a little bit more difficult than you think
I would love to play DCS but I don't have a rudder pedal and I can't afford one
I got a joystick tho.
Guess I'll stick to IL-2 1946 for the time being
My point, is that despite what Gaijin talks about, I have maintained a premium account for several years, have bought quite a few premium vehicles but despite being a paying player, I still run out of SL. I consider myself to be a better than average player, play all modes. If I at least trade kills, being a paying player I should never run out of SL. IMHO.
Gaijin operates a lot like a casino, the house always wins. Their algorithms are designed to ensure that you come up just a bit short, no matter what you do. They introduce a problem with the realization that the problem can be solved to an extent with real world money. In the free to play realm, I get that, but as a paying player? Why am I still being penalized to pay more when 80% are paying nothing at all?
This is how it was for me. I had been consistently subscribed for basically years. I have multiple premiums in almost every nation in both ground and air and in multiple tiers. I've paid definitely paid. At the same time I do not want to have to keep a subscription AND use a premium vehicle just to break even. It makes it so I don't want to use regular TT vehicles which means I get discouraged and bored and move on to some other game. I already have a job and don't need to treat WT like another one where I have to grind to play the vehicles I want. A premium account should remove all that frustration.
Yea I came back with 500k and like just under 100 games and I'm down to 300. For sure they are baiting players to get SL premium or not. Its fucked
Seems like you are the problem. Stop buying premium and stop buying premium vehicle's. You can't complain while funding them
The 80% statistic isn't even real. They're pulling it from all accounts that have ever logged in, not from active accounts
@@Chris-yy5pj Nope. I stopped giving them money a year and a half to two years ago when they fucked up the sim economy with the useful actions crap. DCS gets my money these days if I am inclined to spend it. I'd rather spend it on WT since as a game it is more fun but Gaijin doesn't respect it customers which is what this is all about.
i just left my review ash, and its great to see that almoast all the other reviews being left are from people with hundreds if not thousands of hours in play time, and many including me are pointing out its auctually way more because we started before warthunder was on steam. and its all the same shit, ive got about 2k hours and i have my top plane is 7.3 and my top tank is 8.3. 2000 hours. not even close to top tier, i thought it was bacause i wasnt good enough or didnt play enough, but its them making it worse every day.
"you can't give a player everything at once"
looks at the right side of rank 7 in any TT
Also volumetric is broken af across all tiers. Actual weak points are now hard points
I have 2000+ hrs in this game. However, if Gaijin actually shut down WT, I'm not going to feel sad or anything cause it's a big fat L for them. But I will feel bad for the content creaters.
7000+ hours on WT and I still am not done grinding tanks. I feel same way as you do. If WT disappear overnight, things will be better for me.
Around 1400 hours, if war thunder shuts down, I won't care less, got more time to play deep rock galactic now
I have maybe less than few hours, and Idc tbh. I wonder why people like this kind of game instead of actual realistic military vehicle simulator that exists out there tbh.
Rock and Stone!
@@jonskowitz ROCK SOLID!
Gaijin and Wargaming are like brothers: they didn't choose the same path, but they damn have the exact same habits (ignoring feedback, adding stuff no one wants, trying every scummy tactics to open your wallet, always condescending...)
Don't forget Pixonic too.
WG for all its habbit ,(some of them were of course admittedly outrageous) they are way, way more generous than Gaijin. They give away so many free stuff from premium tanks (some of them cost 30$ in game) to giving a Fck ton of premium days for free if you want to grind in it totaling Max to 2 months of premium days. Then every once in a while (not as rare as a blue moon) they will give you a shite ton of credits and sometimes gold for absolutely free. But of course they are by no means perfect but WG is leagues ahead of Gaijin in terms of trying to make F2P grind not a life career.
I play both and in WOT in just 4 months I already got a tier X and a couple of Tier IX from other tree, in WT even after years I'm still at WW2 vehicles and that's me lasering my way through the tech tree.
@@alwy781 true, the grind is way more easy in wot, the bonuses you get especially if you are a new player is quite a lot, they basically give you a free pass to tier 6 after a mission that saves up even more time for the grind. I have played both games as well, I'm not too fond of the devs but as you said wargaming at least give so many stuffs for free, lots of premium days on events(I managed to get like 2 months of premium days on one event simply by just playing random battles)
Congrats on 10th anniversary of suffering Ash!
As per Gaijin's response - after seeing the bs they typed out in the survey, I'm not even surprised
12:30 don't forget Amx-30 Super Ash, which is literally an answer to the problem in French tech tree (no stabilised vehicles at brs 8.0-9.4) being locked behind a paywall. It's literally the scummiest thing Gaijin had done probably in all of the game
There were multiple vehicles Gaijin could have added to fix that gap but they never did. And they never will because it makes them money. The scummiest thing isn't the 30 super imo, it's the TML. They could have reused it, bu slightly changing the model to turn it into the stabilized one and give it to France, but they prefered to delete it of the game and replace it by a brand new turret for Sweden because French players kept asking for an ibovious easy solution to their problem. "If there is no turret anymore, they cant sau it si easy solution." -Gaijin executive probably
And the gap could easily be filled
MBT :
French :
-AMX 30 (CH 29) (literally NO visual modificaton to make, just copy paste the model and add a line of code)
-AMX 30 Valorisé (120mm but very bad dart (worse than 120 G1), basically a T55 with less armour, just requires a slightly different gun barrel)
-AMX 30 C2 (need to change a X30B2's mantlet a little bit and only on one side)
-AMX 32 01 (the one they call 32 105 but they added thermals out of nowhere to make sure the Super stayed attractive)
-AMX 32 02 ( same as above but with better armoured turret and chassis, if they wanted to add thermals it should have been this one)
-AMX 32 03 ( turret of the 02 but chassis of the 01)
For X32 02 and 03, the chassis are already in game (02 has chassis of 120 and 03 is the 01 chassis with 02 turret, with one turret they could model 2 new tanks that could change the entire BR range for France)
Foreign
AMX 30 V
AMX 30 VE (with CITV !)
(these two require new models as they are elongated X30s)
LTs :
-VBC 90 TTB190 (VBC 90 upgraded with stabilizer)
-ERC 90 TTB190 (Sagaie upgraded with stabilizer)
-ERC 90 2 TTB190 (bigger engine than previous, thermals)
-ERC 90 NG TTB190
-VAPE 1 (see ERC 90 TTB190)
-VAPE 2 (See VBC TTB190)
-AMX 10 RC TML 105 (SAVAN 15) (they managed to add the early TML turret to the Swedish tech tree and pay for a whole new turret model before even thinking about just modifying it a little to make the late stabilized one for the french, they prefered to give up than reusing assets to better France)
-VEXTRA 105 ( TML late, see above but gets DU round)
-Vextra 105 (UAE model) (gets no DU round)
-Vextra 120 (maybe that's more of a 10.7 vehicle)
IFV (only cannon + ATGM) :
Renault AMC 6x6 (UT 30 turret, turret could be reused for so many vehicles it would be a good investment)
VBCI Konsberg 30
VBL ATM turret (gets a 30mm + HOT)
@@jeandelacroix6726 yeah the amount of possible additions to France that Gaijin just ignores is pretty annoying. But well, they just hate the French
when im nearly at 8 years into warthunder, but im at tier 3 in every tree except British air
Nah, the scummiest thing imo is them having an entire update based around South African vehicles (including ones that had been monetized) yet we still dont have a South African server.
@@gumduck2504 actually this reminds me, the scummiest thing is actually the DB-7 that is still somehow in the British tree and Gaijin refused to move it. Meanwhile they moved the Merkavas and the Swedish Centurion to their TTs. But french plane ? No. Despite being pointed out when they moved the Centurions the answer was "it's not the same".
I'm waiting to see other WT content creators jump on the bandwagon. This movement needs more steam and traction, reach a wider audience to make our fight known and get a reputation as something other than "Those funny guys who leak military secrets to win arguments"
Steam reviews are now "overwhelmingly negative".
I haven’t "fully played" since the Christmas debacle "War thunder fulfils your wishes" in 2015 when I got myself a VK.4501 (P)...
Great game, shady as hell company. I played multiple times a daay back then...
Was burnt out getting than tank, had 2 years off the game.
Haven’t uninstalled as I cant be bothered to rebind all my keys - still holding out for the day Gaijin becomes a morally decent company.
Now we need to leak gaijins headqueartes ip adresses and lets see who will be laughing now.
your words were music to my ears , being a fellow old guard.. i feel you , it hurts me to see what this game has been led to... by greed mostly and it's true potential never being reached.
They need to understamd that some people are not playing this game because it's fun. They're playing it because it has a vehicle they want to play with. They're not addicted to the game, they're addicted to something in it that they like. That's something I don't think many people understand.
Couldn't say it better myself. The only reason I quit back in November was because they hadn't added anything new I liked, and the stuff they were adding that I wanted was Battlepass only, and I was not paying $20 every few months to unlock something I want, find out it's not very fun to play, and then never use it again.
They absolutely understand this and is the reason why they want to make the grind harder.
@@inzane456 addiction is a science now and Gaijin want to make their money off of it. Absolutely agreed.
Absolutely. I play WT because it has the only viable Mitsubishi Zero in a current day "sim". In any game in the current market. That and the friends I made along the way. Everything past that, I just play out of curiosity. For higher tier stuff, fortunately I have DCS to fall back to, and it is worlds better for those who can afford it.
We never stopped cracking up about this whole chain of events in our clan discord 😂😂😂
What clan are you in?
its funny to see how much of gaijin’s pride is in their responses
Clearly Gaijin never found out that the customer is always right. =))))))))))))))
welp, i don’t agree with the idea that customers are always right, we just wanna be seen as equals by gaijin and get the respect we deserved. shame they couldn’t even do that
This is 99.9% of all game developers! esp the ones that don't even play their own games!
@@yixuanouyang7676 please name a developer or publisher that shows respect to their player base. I have never seen or heard of one. LOL
Ever played Sea of Thieves? I have nothing but respect for those guys
@@emo6880 re logic
Their condescending tone permeates everything Gaijin puts out in their communcations. From their "it's fixed" series, to their streams, to stuff like this. All we ever get is talking down to, lies, and a slap to the face for even daring to speak up about problems we as a community have with their game.
I sincerely hope this whole debacle creates a stirrup in what remains of the company. It's depressing that whoever wrote this community post is in a leading role.
Condescending tone...pretty much any thing posted by Stona
"Ah yes if we give them too much stuff its gonna be confusing so lets make the progression take like 8 years to finish"
They're either on some of that good juju, genuinely greedful, or downright inbred to the fucking core (Anton and kiril)
And another 8 years bye that time you get the tank you want
I experience indescribable anguish every time i play the french tech tree
I hate how painful France is but I love their vehicles and playstyle
Same, it's abysmal to drop 7-10 kills but loose all the sl bc you died twice with the 7.7 line-up
Didn't they do a video on the Lorraine 40t and specifically mention the fucking STUPID repair cost on that thing?
@@helohel5915 a few years ago it used to be like 20k now i think its like 7-8k but most of the French 7.7 lineup has a 7k+ repair cost spaded which is horrible bc every tank there has no equivalent in the whole game
Recently just got the French M4A4 SA50 and in my opinion the gun is pretty good. I haven't reached the higher battle ratings yet obviously, so I'm probably not feeling the anger you guys are feeling.
REVISING THE BOYCOTT
Dear Gaijin,
we heard your recent attempt in gaslighting your player base and as you already know, we decided to stand up for ourselves. While some developers side with steams decision to give customers a voice, other developers might not fully understand this concept and why it is important for you.
We regret that reviews are often poorly formulated and not always transparent to you. In the future you will have the opportunity not to shadow-delete quality criticism on your forums and avoid being shafted publicly on steam.
We are going to revise our reviews after the dedicated update planned for mid to late summer (this won't be a huge amount of work). In order for your betterment to be taken into account, please do not mess it up this time (unfortunately we do not have the ability to see through every single coercion that you are trying to hide and we may miss something important there). We have already received and are analyzing many attempts of justification, and we sincerely thank their authors!
PS : also Gaijin, stop being so condescending, thank you
I appreciate your transparency with numbers and putting pressure on Gaijin to be more transparent and accountable. By providing enough details for your playerbase to understand the underlying mechanics, Gaijin would bring more professionalism to the gaming industry and to the eSports sector of it. Until they acknowledges these issues, they will not be taken seriously. This is the nature of the industry, and Gaijin has repeatedly ignored these trends, preferring the argument that people would not be able to comprehend statistics. This is rooted in anti-intellectualism and is unfounded; it is PR speak.
Thank you for being a voice for the community. Liked and Subbed.
We expect a former USSR country to know about economy
Nice one😂
Btw why do ppl say gaijin is russian?from google it says its hungarian(correct me if im wrong)
@@arandomperson5649its originally a russian company now based in hungary
@@arandomperson5649 It is a russian company. They are registered partially in Hungary, because Hungary is pretty tax friendly for larger companies. (hmm i wonder why)
The address where the company is registered at has nothing to do with Gaijin, they don't have an office there, only a room in a large office building.
@@lav762 ok thx i looked deeper and found out it was created at 2002 moscow
Thank you for bringing light to this situation.
I love how gaijin tries to justify breaking our legs to walk his eternal grind game by saying that paying things would be being a wheelchair ("80% of us They haven't spent a dollar")
Of all players not even active you just need to play the toutorial and you are one of the 80%
they could try and make is more fun so some of the 80% would start to spend money, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SCARE AWAY THE 20% THAT SPENDS MONEY.
Even that stat is a facade. it's probably total players ever, instead of active as most of us would interpret it.
what War Thunder needs, is competiton, if there would only be one game, even if they would start with only 2 nations, i truly think they have a massive chance of succes with how gaijin is handling things
isnt that world of tanks?
@@jeffcapes
No, they’re no different. Greedy company with scummy “free to play” mechanics and design.
I know of one game it doesn't have the best graphics but it has fun combat with the option to choose between a heath bar and modules it's called panzer war and I have to admit I enjoyed it more than war thunder and every tank is unlocked at the start also it allows support for custom tanks via mods
@@jeffcapes Hasn't World of Tanks like faded into obscurity a long time ago? I haven't played that game since like 2017, back during the Chrysler K controversy.
I think the best tank game right now is Armored Warfare. It does not have the x-ray damage model though, so maybe it's not the same?
A sense of pride and accomplishment moment.
"You pay if you have fun in f2p games" we HAVE to pay to have fun
I have zero problems maintaining premium every month, but the grind for F2p and prem players are both insane. SL never been an issue but 190k rp when a "good game" gets you 4k" is crazy when there are hundreds to unlock. Its like an MMO with 400 classes that all take 80 hours to level.
They've gone full life is feudal
It took me nearly 7 years to get to Rank 3 with on and off premium in all countries. That was before China was added. It should not take a decade to get half way through everything there is to see in the game. And that's why I quit.
Wtf solar, do u play once a week?
@@a.d.m.3988 I had Rank 5 on air for several countries and played on and off, never played constantly until the pandemic took most everything else I had to do, so it did take some time, though 7 years was a bad estimate, closer to 4.
@@Theover4000 anyway, i do recomend ya to fous on some nation.. the grind will be much fastaerr and less painful
It isn’t tone deaf. This is deliberate. Never attribute to ignorance what can be attributed to malice.
Another one is: never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
Now the million dollars question: is gaijin stupid or malice?
**A shitload of both**
Imagine making a "free to play" only to make money and when the players fight back, you threaten them with giving them there lives back.
Do you know what it’s time for? It’s time for a competitor.
Long overdue 😌
Who will step up to take this task though?😭
@@Kush-ii GHPC maybe?
Imagine all the grind again :cat:
I’ll start playing minecraft again and never go bacc to war games again
@@megakirbo4250 I love the details in ghpc but wooh the rest of the vehicles from ground to air in ww2 to modern, I love playing WT for its content but sadly ghpc has a bit less of it rn
This sounds like a petty high school girl who was just rejected
"Guys, either its 0 or 100. Either it takes 5 years to grind to top or it takes 5 minutes, and we don't like the idea of a 5 minute grind"
The game continues to become exponentially more grind intensive. From ever increasing ranks with ever increasing RP requirements, with ever returning economy and RP nerfs. They really just gas light the community every time and pretend like they care. They hire some PR guy to make everything sound pretty and I refuse to believe that they actually think we buy into this pity bait bullshit.
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I've always secretly wished this game would die out so that I can move on with my life and they'd probably get a damn clue and maybe even try to develop a healthier community relationship for once.
I'm a 10 year vet myself. I really hope Gaijin pulls their crap together and makes a positive change for the players. We need a win.
Basically what I’m hearing is that we need to review bomb so they they learn. When the game is shut down and they stop making money from it they’ll learn to listen
Historically speaking, the point when the developers start calling the community’s bluff kinda marks the beginning of the end of said developer
If they shut down the game they gonna get bankrupt do they really think a single person on earth plays enlisted
Cant finish the the video until after work but my jaw dropped when you mentioned your estimate for how much money has gone through your link. I cant even imagine how much they'll have made off someone like Phly, not to mention the people who dont use partner links at all.
"If game shuts down nobody wins" do they think other games dont exist?
"review bombing does damage to the game"
yes, thats the point.
The whole "if a topic receives a lot of support from the community" part pisses me off because people have been trying to get them to understand that having to unlock FPE and parts is a horrible mechanic that just means that when you start playing a tank it will be a complete shit experience. How did they respond to the outcry about this? They compared wanting FPE and parts already unlocked on all tanks to people wanting a free Abrams.
We know how to hit them where it hurts now. They want their precious positive reviews, let's take them away.
ah, we had the great purge of content creators in world of warships a couple years back, i bet Gaigin will try that one as well.
I feel the anger in your voice and I like it. I feel the same. BOYCOTT!!!!!
This game died years ago. RIP WT 2015. I just downloaded it, today. To see the state of the game, and oh boy, they are getting greedy
First is Blizzard respond to the PVE cancelled as a damage control. Now it's Gaijin with their post about the current state of the game
I swear big companies these day need a wake up call badly because they are failing in their own playground
Well they just want to milk their playerbase as much as possible 🤔
Man the fact they literally disable comments on their update announcements should tell u everything about Gaijin. This thread is the only one on steam that actually has its comments open. The Only thread with enabled comments since september last year and im sure its even longer back than that. I dont know any other publisher who does this
Im honestly surprised it took so long for this to happen; It was inevitable.
They really pissed gasoline on the fire with this one, I wasn’t gonna take place in this two week no play the union has planned for the 26th but after that response I’ll bite.
4000 hours, no modern stuff. Barely into rank 4, been free to play without premium, basically just impossible for me to get the vehicles I want to play :c
that is a gross lie.
Wdym? I'm just a bad player lol
@@chuba9722 Not a lie. I’m in the same boat.
@@chuba9722ome of us have day jobs, we dont grind, were tired and trying to have fun
@@chuba9722 Premium Player saying a F2P is lying is like a Billionare saying that Homelessness is fake
Holly shit. It is really looks like blackmailing. Nah, I don't have a business with blackmailers. no more my money to gaijins.
imagine threatening the players that youre gonna shut down youre own game
I do not wish war thunder upon no man no matter how evil anyways now im gonna go play it because I hate myself
Gotta love how Gaijin says that there needs to be a slow progression to learn playstyles yet they have top tier premiums for sale in nearly every tree.
Gajin shutting down their Flagship-Title? Yeah sure, like that's gonna happen.
Happy 10 Years Ash! Sorry it had to be a somber 10 year, but nevertheless your content has been spectacular whether it be War Thunder or a different game and I especially loved all the shenanigans with your friends in game!
Again happy 10th and have a great day!
The problem isnt the fact that I have to pay. It's the fact that I have to pay, AND IT DOESN'T FUCKING MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE GRIND. A single jet should not take 6+ hours to grind WITH premium AND a premium vehicle.
You can't give a player everything at once ... unless they pay $70
Nah that still takes months I got the t62 545 back at the start of Covid play 12 hours a day it took me 8 months to complete the Chinese tree and now thay have like 6 more top tier tanks I don’t have and 8 planes
@@jeremybeaverson7167 It took me 2 weeks to grind the Japanese air tree with the premium T-2.
Man am I glad I've slowly started playing less and less.
If WarThunder shuts down, the fans still have Sprocket or WoT or GHPC or CoD or CSGO or literally any other of Warthunder's competitors
WarThunder only has the fans
i fucking *dare* Gaijin to pull the plug on WT and Enlisted, lets see how long it takes before they make WarThunder 2
"There shouldn't be a paywall", "We have to have many different vehicles and not just a few that are good for farming in matches..."
The idiot who wrote this clearly didn't play the game they claim him to be an expert about. Also as if they would shut War Thunder down, it's probably their only game that couldn't be considered dead - and if review bombing is the only way they'll ever listen, well...
I left war thunder and started playing DCS a year ago. Best decision i ever made
Appreciate you Ash for voicing your concerns and not being afraid to put your content creator sponsorship (or whatever it’s called) on the line. The more CCs who take a stand the more likely serious change will happen
never spent any cent in gaijin and never will! the grind is suffering but i still have that lil voice that keep saying "keep going!" i just wish they do something to fix this broken hell
They listened to my constructive feedback on the forums about the Steam reviews by deleting my comment and locking - moving other consecutive threads made by other players about it.
This is peak "we listen to you, dear players" Garbajin moment.
I was there for the freebrumz fiasco. This is repeating history. Hope players will vote with their wallets this time around though.
80% of players did not spend a dime. Ah so all the F-5C's are special reward vehicles that gaijin gifted the players for their loyalty 📿🙏
Jokes aside. If Gaijin were to actually make game modes/progression/achievements, etc. more interesting then people would have a reason to stick around for longer and play the game, even if they progressed through every tech tree. But once again money > everything ig.
I have 5k hours in this game and the only premiums Gaijin "gifted" me are:
The low tier german halftrack whith short 75mm (i had the leo 2a5 when i got it)
An EBR that i refuse to play
A french p-51 (4.7, good but not good multipliers)
A zero (i don't play japan but it can print good money)
A 2.0 italian tank (received while spading the centauro)
For 5000 hour i think i deserve at least a high tier premium
more like "80% of players at 10.3 use F-5Cs as demonstrated by my thousand deaths to them in almost every match in any of my 10.3 tech tree variants", they're outright lying and it's condescending and disrespectul to our intelligence. It's a joke, or are we all insane and delusional and imagine all the F-5C spam? I'm certain i'm not clinically insane nor deluded, therefore, they're lying.
When you said, "Gaijin, Go fuck yourself." I was like, DAMN, HE SAID IT
Most of the arguments for the F2P business model fall apart when you draw parallels to Dota 2. Also F2P and all characters free, but somehow millions and millions of dollars get made by that game every year for the same 1 map and 100 something characters. What gives?
Also “If we know the majority of the community doesn’t want an update, we cancel or revert it immediately.” So delete drones when?
If they doubled the base victory/loss multipliers that would be a good start right now. That wouldn’t even take a day let alone weeks.
what is a creative director doing that is neither directing nor creative
actually, having a second reserve tier that starts in rank 4 or 5 where new players could also begin would be cool.
Kirill Yudintsev is the same guy who a couple of years ago was insulting playerbase on the Gaijin Livestream, translating the kind of insults he was throwing is hard but it's essentially is "for all broke ass no good wastes of life, I am saying hello to you to your invented make belief world where you live thinking we should make 50% discounts on new vehicles". His response was to players call out fake 5% discounts on war thunder store, that they are making to attract attention to newly released premium packs.
After the backlash he was fired, and re hired on the next day. Russian side of War thunder and how devs themselves are interacting with playerbase is a lot more blunt and telling, they are openly curse and reject forum posts in very toxic manner.
And that guy is their creative director, their representative when it comes to communication with the player base too. I found the link to the livestream moment, if anybody is able to translate better than I do, please do, I'm not good at translating. /watch?v=eSr7m7yvA8E .
Disgusting behavior. They got some karma headed their way and they may lose their buisness because of it.
"review bombing damages the game"
yeah... thats the point
Ash you're awesome thank you gor supporting the players! ❤
My buddy and I stopped playing because of the grind. I never dumped large sums of money into it and he did. I feel sorry for him because half of it was just the damnable premium time.
I actually rose an eyebrow (maybe both) when I saw no deep, revolutionizing changes for the 10th year anniversary, I had good hopes for a overhaul of the game: new gamemodes, a modern UI, a new type of brogression that could struck a balance between F2P and paid content.
So when I saw that the only new things where as usual new vbehicles and mechanics I was really disappointed, there have been red flags from the community for years now and I really hoped they would have used the "excuse" of the 10th year anniversary to transform war thunder into a modern game. They missed their biggest opportunity yet because the backlash came too late, I would have been down if they used the 10th anniversary to their advantage, but instead it was just another year for the game. smh
I like how they never mention how many players have quit war thunder...