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It’s interesting you reviewed Nurse Practitioner but not Nurse Anesthetist as the qualifications are very different. Maybe an interesting topic for a future video.
This was interesting. I am a vet and when I was going to school the acceptance was around 20% for my school (Mississippi State) probably because we were one of the cheapest ones. *Cries in $200,000 debt with starting salary of $90,000* Here is hoping I do public service loan forgiveness correctly.
Hey what is the game plan to increase the pay .. they pay very low like $8 to $10 an hr. What is the plan ?? Forget degrees for a minute I just need a PLAN ... I am NOT going to work too long with that kind of pay, so after like 2 or 3 yrs whats the next step?? You need to move up and can't stay as a pharmacy technician so where do you go from here?? Thanks
So why do you put pharmacy if you didn’t even talk about it? I heard pharmacists are doctor too is that true? Is that true pharmacists are going for over 8 years to get their doctors degree? Why did you not talk about it if you mentioned it in your heading? Do you not like pharmacists? I believe pharmacists work in pharmaceutical companies to make all our drugs like Amgen or something right? Heard nurses don’t like pharmacists because nurses can’t steal narcotics from hospitals too not sure but my nurses friend tell me how much medical doctors hate pharmacists and nurses says pharmacists are super smart and genius and that’s why medical doctors don’t like pharmacists is that true?
I'm in my second year of pharmacy school and trust me, don't do this unless you have a truly deep passion for the field. Every single pharmacist I've met talks about the horrors of our current job market.
Garrett, I’m also a 2nd year PharmD student and have had quite the opposite experience! So sorry all your pharmacist encounters have been so negative :( It’s quite the opposite for me as I’ve worked under very passionate pharmacists (I serve as the student pharmacist in a clinic for HIV/AIDS patients, and those one PrEP and PEP!) and have had the opportunity to shadow and talk with passionate pharmacists across my state as well! I will note that the “saturated market” comments are always in regards to the traditional community/retail setting from my encounters but that doesn’t really portray pharmacy correctly as there’s numerous specialties as well as even more non traditional roles such as mine! Hoping you find a passionate pharmacy mentor or find your passion in the realm of pharmacy!
Rudi Elizabeth I’m in medical school but was thinking about the pharmacy route so I naturally have a lot of pharmacy friends (who are practicing). Unfortunately not a single one of them likes it...even a little.
@@emperormouse5487 Again, I'm sorry they don't like their jobs, but that's them. I absolutely love my profession, my future specialty and the patients I serve currently and I know NUMEROUS upon numerous other practicing pharmacists who love what they do, love their patients and their specialties! Truly, there's always going to be people in ANY profession who don't enjoy what they do/want to do something else or more (1 dentist I shadowed in undergrad, 3 physicians I shadowed between high school and undergrad, my family friend who hated being an engineer and went back to school to become a lawyer, and many many more!) I've never been one to allow others opinions dictate what I want to do in life, hence why the one pharmacist I connected with who wanted to do more didn't stop me from applying to pharmacy school and now creating a position serving patients with HIV in my community. Once again, sorry your friends don't enjoy their jobs - sucks for them!
I looked into PharmD because I love math and after reading about the high stress job market I said Fuck that. All the respect for people who do it, of course.
Ikr same here! Pharmacy has gone downhill so much ! We need the regulatory bodys to do more to ensure that there's enough jobs, good pay and healthcare input
2nd year dental student here and I love it so much! Growing up I had a significant amount of dental work done (orthodontics, root canal, fillings etc.) and I never had much interaction with other medical professionals. The patient relationships, autonomy, lifelong medical education, and less hectic lifestyle lead me to choose a career in dentistry. I look forward to collaborating with all medical professions during my career and improving the health of our patients :)
@@rspec122 The Netherlands. But here dentistry is six years and you can only apply at one university and you have a very, very slim chance to be accepted.
@@ruubvanhulst dear You have experience of medical and also iam not interested in medical. But i am now interested in dentistry. And have a slide idea to start it in germany. What is your recommendation i mean is it good in germany to be a dentist or should i reckon again. 😇
Radiology will contract a lot due to new technologies. Much of the work will be one with AI in the future (in 10-20 yrs) with actual humans just double checking the work. So if I were a student I would not choose this specialty.
Dental student here, you pretty much got most of the things for dental correct, but I just want to add that while dental schools are competitive, private school prices are also shooting up at an unprecedented rate, now in the 300k-500k range, which drives down competitiveness - now at 55% acceptance.
@@geddon436 It would make more sense if making money and being a doctor is your only two priorities, but I didn't really want to become a physician because I didn't want to deal with death or be on-call. While dentists have a lot of debt, the good thing is that we don't have to be on call, aren't super stressed, are able to help people better some parts of their health in other ways, and still make a good amount of money.
@@zzzzzzzzzz098 True. but there are other options for doctors besides the patient interaction, at least from what i have been researching, such as pathologist,
@@geddon436 Med school is very competitve and medical residency is super-damn competitive, don't even dream about reaching a comfortable specialty (if that even exists in the first place) And dentists don't work a lot of hours per week, most of them just work 3 days a week, almost no shifts and no calls, and on top of that, they make as much as physicians per year (even more than them in some states) it offers a very comfortable and family-friendly lifestyle without being overworked or exhausted, medical doctors even have higher suicide rates than dentists, no job deserves sacrifiying your entire twenties and then overworking you for 30 years or more, no job deserves that!! Unless you have sincere passion for your specialty As for debt, there is no huge difference regardless of your specialty, dentistry offers independency and dentists who own their private practice make 8x even more than surgeons with flexible hours, maybe there is 150k$ difference in debt but dentistry wins by a large margin, they pay off their loans even faster than doctors, I know an orthodontist who only spent 2 years to pay his 350k$ debt back, and doctors who couldn't even pay their loans back even with 10years of practicing
This is very interesting. I'm so happy to be in the field of dentistry before all of the raging levels of competitiveness kicked in. Regardless of the field, just love whatever it is that you're doing and it'll be the most rewarding. All the best to everyone who is still on the grind !
Please do OB/GYN I’m an African American ore med student and I’m interested to represent and want to protect minority women specifically black women and represent black women in medicine more
As a 2nd year med student as sad as it sounds depression is our companion,feeling of inadequacy is overwhelming not to mention the senseless race for higher grades , the stress eats you up the competition wears you out..but there is nothing else you'd rather be doing in your life so you just learn to deal with it
Please Do a "How to choose a medical school" like based on ranking, number of cited papers h-index, academic reputation, what to look in a curriculum, style of teaching PBL or traditional, size of classes pros and cons, more research and citation opportunities,Type of exams oral and written, all the factors. These days it's really tough to choose and know what to look for.
The price. That's it. The most important decision is which school will graduate you with the least amount of debt. As a board certified MD I assure you no employer cares where you went to medical school and even less relevant if you open your own practice. This is not business school where coming form the top 7 matters. Too many students, not just medical students are brainwashed into believing in a school's prestige. These doctors are the ones with the most debt and end up with the lowest salaries. Stick to an in-state medical school and your future self with half as much debt compared to other students will thank you greatly and you will still find yourself in the same residency program
@@dominick6131 Yes, but when you have Many schools with very similar or almost same prices, then you have to take in account other factors, not all people can't afford medical school, and this applies to international schools not only the ones in the US. Debt sure is important but not the most Important thing.
@@Omar-gf1yb then visit those schools and see which students and professors you fit in with the best. Even if my parents or myself could afford any medical school I would still pick the cheaper in state school and invest the difference or just not accept the extra money from parents
This is a nuanced topic that has much more to it than just choosing the cheapest school. Possible topic for a future video As I always say, be wary of advice that paints things in black and white and uses broad strokes
Dominick When you’re an attending, sure, the prestige doesn’t matter all that much, but you can’t act like it’s meaningless for the Match. It’s not as important as business school, but it’s definitely a factor. Unless you’re raising a family or something like that where you have exorbitant costs, even $300k in debt can be paid off in well under a decade of being an attending
Would love to see a video comparing Physician vs. PA vs. NP in terms of stats but also prereq coursework, clinical experience, and why one might be better suited for someone than another. Or if you could make videos on “So You Want to Be a PA” and “So You Want to Be a NP”
This is not the channel to make that video, as Dr. Jubbal doesn't seem to know very much about the PA profession, based on a number of his videos highlighting PAs, including his recent "So you want to be a PA" video.
I’m a PA student, so I can somewhat answer the PA vs NP debate. Overall, I would recommend PA if you’re from any other health profession besides nursing, since NPs only accept nurses. NP school might be a better option for people with families since there are online programs available. NPs in general have more autonomy than PAs due to strong nursing organization backing them, so depending on the state you might consider NP over PA due to autonomy. I may be biased, but I think PA school is harder than NP school. I talked to a NP student before and things she did for clinical hours during clinical year would not be counted if she was in PA school. For example, taking surveys from patients.
thank you dr. kevin for inspiring me to become a doctor. I'm currently still at high school but i really wanna be an anesthesiologist. promise I'll work really hard. I'll come back to this comment when I achieve my dream. 😊
As a person who was previously Pre-Med and is now Pre-Law, I like how you included that there are "tiers" of law schools. But something that is also worth noting is that some law firms (especially larger corporate law firms) only take people from the top law schools (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.) and they typically require around a 3.9 GPA and at least a 170 LSAT, so 98th percentile or higher (obviously, there are going to be a few exceptions). Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Pretty common knowledge from those who were deciding between law and medical school. I know tons of people who made the choice of medical school because they didn't want to deal with uncertainty of not getting a job because of the law school they went too. Its the reason why he put the tiers in video because he knows this also.
I think a video about becoming an OMFS surgeon could be really helpful for your channel! Especially since the 6-year program includes a MD degree, it’s a unique specialty of medicine
I know this program is insane! A family friend of mine (whom I call "uncle" because he is my dad's close friend" is a OMFS and was previously a PharmD beforehand. The amount of schooling is crazy to me
Great video, there may also be a significant difference in the difficulty of standardized tests. An 88th percentile LSAT is probably easier to achieve than an 88th percentile MCAT.
I'm losing hope that the Psychiatrist video will ever come no matter how many Community Polls we top...😩😢😞 You're breaking our hearts in a way no cardiologist can repair! 💔 I know you'll get there eventually though. Keep up the good work!
For those who are applying this coming cycle and will most likely be doing interviews online, could you make a video about the application and interview process during COVID? What would be your advice on how to see whether or not a certain school is a good fit for you if there will be no tours or second-look days conducted?
Few simple revision tips for new medical students👍❤ Break up study schedules into 20 to 30 minute segments. Create a study timetable. Keep hardest topics for the morning. Create colorful notes and mind maps. Practice old exams and papers. Start assignments sooner rather than later. Get plenty of sleep.
I just started medical school about a month ago and due to some circumstances, I have to take a year leave of absence. I think it is for the best as I now have a year to try out some other things and see if medical school really is truly what I want to do. I know you might think, how do you not know by this point after already being accepted? But, just like Dr. Jubbal on this channel, I think I rather do something in business. I want to work for myself and start making money now instead of in 8 years where I will then just be working to pay off school debt, so in reality, I wont start actually having good money until 15 years from now. I can do a lot of things in 15 years that by then will probably have me making a similar income to a physician, the only difference is I will also be making money the whole way up to that as well. We will see what this year and the future has in store for me!
I think often a lot of people focus a little too much on getting in, rather than “is this something that I really want to get into?” Being a doctor no matter what you are is significantly tougher than getting into medical school itself, it feels like.
Well to me getting in to medical school is the hardest part, save maybe residency matching, just because that's something largely outside of your own control. You can work incredibly hard and still not get in because of bad luck or a decision someone else makes for you. When you actually are a doctor in residency/as an attending (less so in residency though) you get by on your own merits. You WILL succeed in what you do and provide good patient care based on the work and effort you put in. YOU control your professional success, not an adcoms committee. Of course the stress involved may be far greater esp. if medicine isn't something you actually wanted to do, but for me what makes things hard is when I have to just hope and pray something happens in my favor rather than having the ability to MAKE it happen.
@@LilJbm1 that’s a valid point, though I’d politely disagree. I think being threatened by aggressive patients (occasionally who threaten to kill you), having to discuss things with family members that their Dad is dying in the resuscitation cubicle, working 18 hour shifts on the surgical ward, balancing several critically ill patients at once...I found that the simple uncertainty of knowing whether you’ll get into med school, vs the uncertainty that comes with knowing whether your patient will survive or not...the latter is definitely the hardest part. Of course, that doesn’t happen every day, and I don’t mean to invalidate your point at all. But there are days that you just can’t succeed and can’t save the patient, because of nature’s power and complexity, and you will just sometimes have to take with you on your journey and learn to accept...and that, for me, is one of the hardest parts of medicine. It doesn’t matter how much work you put in, this challenge becomes the challenge of all doctors eventually, and I think it’s important to address that - so that when future doctors see this, they don’t think “ah, I’m deficient in my ability” but instead “ah, so this is the journey of learning what it means to care for people”.
@@dabi_ I can definitely see your point, and experience may well change my perspective at some point, but I have a religious background and my faith helps me to get through some of those trials. It's hard to really deal with the idea of acceptance/rejection from adcoms yet if a patient's illness has progressed to a terminal stage, while this is still a very difficult thing for both the physician and family, it is something easier to ultimately accept in my mind. Since we will all eventually pass, the only question is when, a patient in great suffering with a severe illness may have reached that time. I trust God to guide people to their time. Of course questions still arise about whether you could have done something as a physician to either cure that patient or extend their life, but you can at least take some comfort in extra work you do to improve your skills for the next patient (even if skill wouldn't have made a difference before). One of the biggest challenges is definitely a difficult talk with a patient's family, or the patient themselves, and I can concede that would easily trump uncertainty with getting into medical school. Of course unless your specialty involves a lot of ICU care it won't necessarily be an everyday experience (one hopes!) and you do have the choice on where you want to be. If you weren't made of the stuff that let you handle the critically ill and near-death patient demographic then I'd argue you wouldn't choose a specialty like EM/Surgery/Anesthesiology or another specialty involving a lot of potential time with terminal patients. Same with Oncology, that's a rough specialty, but there are many other pathways to follow and care for patients who also need physicians where you won't deal with death as frequently. Point taken well though, I just have a strong faith that helps me get through rough times like those. What helps me anyways. Thank you for sharing.
@@LilJbm1 I think you’ve said it really well :) and beautifully highlighted the importance of believing in something that will carry you through. I think you’ll have a lot of strength, and patients will be all the better for it.
PA student here, I really appreciate you taking the time to lay out the hard facts for this video. It would be interesting to see what the stats would be if the data for DO and MD were consolidated. Reason I say this is that many of my friends who didn't get into their MD program of choice opted for the DO program they were accepted to instead. Also, I would like to point out that the the PA application process has rapidly become more rigorous over the years (sorry pre-PA folks). For instance, the GRE matriculation metric is low on the totem pole in comparison to the thousands of hours of clinical work experience needed. Furthermore, the GRE has fallen out of favor for most admissions committees as many programs have dropped it entirely and have gone with the PA-CAT (similar to MCAT) instead. Now don't get me wrong, I think MD school is likely more competitive still but just wanted to let you know that the matriculation factors you used were perhaps a bit outdated.
and one more thing I haven't seen anyone mentioned. The typical PA schools only allow your pre-req classes to be done within the timeline of 5-7 years. So if you were getting your Bachelor in 4 years you only have 1-2 years to get in before taking your pre-req classes all over again!
So I think if you were to combine the two it might be closer to a 3.65 or so. Mainly because there are still a lot more MD students (3x more) so they shift the average towards that 3.7. I'm a 3rd year DO student and had a stellar 3.9 gpa, but I suck at standardized test taking so my MCAT was below the avg matriculant. I still got a few MD interviews (mostly in texas), but many more DO. However in the end it really doesn't matter. We learn the same stuff in medical school and apply to the same jobs. I took both USMLE and COMLEX (as is required by our school) and it's the same crap, except that the USMLE (MD boards) are much better written. Half of our faculty are MD's and i've rotated with 3 MDs and only one DO so far in my 3rd year. Point is it doesn't matter what med school you go to so long as you get good board scores, have great rotations, and preferably choose the school that fits you..... and is cheap. PA school is hard to get into for sure so congrats and welcome to the team!!
Burnout is also increasing in medicine because getting into residency is really competitive, especially after the MD/DO merge. Internal medicine residency is brutal trying to get into a competitive fellowship as well. There’s a large supply of medical students for training positions. I wish we could proportionally increase the number of these positions.
I was a first year veterinary student and I’m highly reconsidering this field. It almost feels like people who enter this field want suffering and pain and financial instability
Why is it that PA school has far stronger students with a far more rigorous program yet NPs practice independently and PAs do not ? Something just isn’t adding up. I mean, neither should be practicing independently but based off the data and even anecdotes, PAs are more qualified to be somewhat more autonomous than NP’s. And don’t tell me that NPs have work experience because there are plenty of Paramedics, Respiratory Therapists and other clinicians who have just as much education and experience as nurses do and become PA’s.
@@MedSchoolInsiders PA Student here, Lobbying is 100% correct. NP's have been in existence longer and have much more say in terms of their role in the healthcare field. That is changing though.
Lobbying and the fact that there are way too many NP online churn mills. The vast majority of PA programs require in person labs, rotations, teach on a medical model, etc. The online NP programs are nowhere near the standard of the in-person programs(from what other NPs have told me).
He forgot to mention that patient care experience for PA apps is the biggest kicker for pa school apps. He talks about nursing experience for NP, but didn’t mention that some pa schools might not “require” PCE, yet their admitting class averages 2,000-3,000+ hours of PCE coming in... basically if you don’t 2-5 years experience at least.. your chances of getting in are much more slim than if you do have those PCE hours
I think he didn’t want to admit that PA school is as competitive as Med School. They don’t want to admit that PA school is a fast paced version of Med School with no breaks.
Exactly.. this 2-5 year experience thing is what's kicking my butt because like me, many pre -PA students have to take multiple gap years before they can actually successfully get into PA school.. its rough :/
Not to mention that the GRE has very little impact on PA school admission compared to MCAT/PCAT, etc for their respective programs. PCE as well as volunteer hours and other extracurriculars are required to be competitive when applying
Can you do a video for premeds on how to pursue opportunities during these times (COVID-19), as well as what we should be focusing on considering there are not many volunteering opportunities or shadowing opportunities? How can we make a medical school application stronger considering there will be gaps in activities, clinical hours, and volunteering due to the pandemic, and make up for those gaps?
I’m near the top of my law school class in a top tier law school and can say that law school is far easier than people make it sound. Lots of people like to complain about working hard without putting much work in. I might be an outlier, but my first two months of the semester I just chill and do not work much. The last month and a half before exams I put in 10-15 hour days depending on energy and motivation with relaxed weekends. Averages out to about 25-30 hours a week.
I am a pharmacy school student and I totally agree with you. I do not understand the need when my colleagues say “it’s hard getting into pharmacy school than medical school”. People may feel validated when they state something like that but it just brings attention to their insecurities. P.S There is no denial medical school is the most competitive. You guys are awesome!!
My brothers wife couldn’t get into a good med school. She got into PA school. My brother started telling everyone in the family that PA school is harder to get into than med school, and made PA the coolest newest thing in the family
Then there’s the opposite where I have heard of people not getting accepted to PA school but getting accepted to med school. PAschools don’t want students who have it as a 2nd option when they don’t get into med school. They try to ask enough questions so they know intentions of students.
The irony, there's like more requirements for clinical interactions and I think it was harder to get into at one time because it was shorter than med school and less applicants accepted.
NP mills are a huge problem in the USA. You give a bunch of average RNs a pittance of what an MD has to study and set them free to often have greater independence than many PAs. I don't disliked NPs (they make great care extenders in physician lead care); I disliked lack of centralized regulation/quality assurance for these accrediting and teaching institutions churning them out.
As someone who is in their fourth year of medical school it is important to note that matriculation into medical school does NOT guarantee you will have the chance to be a practicing physician. You have to match into a residency program in order to become a doctor and the match rate for allopathic students like myself is in the low 90s%. DO is close in match rates at 89%. I calculated that I will spend nearly $1000 dollars on residency applications and this does not include travel fees. This year there will be virtual interviews again which save me a small fortune on flights and hotels.
It is interesting how easy it is to get into pharmacy school. Also, most provide remediation if there are failed exams so there is a high retention rate. The gpa at my local school is 2.5 if you have an up trending gpa and 3.0 if not. They don’t require the pcat. Obviously you end up having people really into it and brilliant contributing to the medical field, but then you have people who don’t care and patient care is sub-optimal. As someone who works hard in school, it dilutes the meaning of what we are doing as a profession. I want to know who’s responsible for the laxed entrance requirements. We went from a 2 year degree rph that was very tough to get in, to a 4 year graduate degree “doctorate of pharmacy” that is easier to get into than some state universities 🤔😩.
Have to agree with Pharmacy to a degree. I have seen more and more schools opening and increasing supply of graduates without a significant increase in demand. It still is a doctorate but supply is definitely increasing leading to worse working conditions and lower starting pay.
I’m surprised you didn’t look at clinical psychology PhD programs. Not only do you need top GPA and GRE scores, but you also need to have complimentary research experience and typically a couple of first author papers. In addition to all of this, you have to apply to a specific faculty member who aligns with your research and get chosen by them. To showcase how competitive these programs are, look no further than this year. There were roughly 1500 applicants for a total of 4 faculty members at Boston university.
It’s important to realize that while the ratio of applicants to matriculants gives you some idea of the process - Competitiveness is not the same as difficulty. There is an extremely large amount of information available on the requirements for admission to medical school. There were large amounts of potential applicants who take the MCAT and never even apply because their score was not close to the required score. Practice tests give you a fairly good idea of where you might score on the MCAT and many people who are unable to get their test score to a level which would be acceptable opt to not take the test at all rather than risk taking it and getting a very poor score. It’s also well know what GPA is required and people with poor GPAs, a poor semester, or even just a poor grade in a required class often self select out of the application process. These entrance exams are also not equivalent and the students taking them are not the same. In other words, getting a 50th percentile on the GRE is not the same as a 50th percentile on the MCAT.
I am a retired veterinarian. I naively started my practice in my home area, rural and poor. I practiced 10 years and still couldn't afford a full time employee. I eventually became a Public Health Veterinarian with the USDA supervising meat inspection. Getting out of that depressing practice saved my life. After working in meat inspection 29 years, I was able to comfortably retire. The educational cost of becoming a veterinarian is ridiculous now.
I’m at cornell right now taking a year off because I’m not sure this is the right line of work for me. Do you have any advice on how to make a decision of whether or not to become a vet in this day and age? :/ I thought this was what I wanted to do but I don’t want to do a lot of the clinical work I see sometimes.
@@cat54907 Veterinary medicine is the right career path if love the work so much you would do it for nothing. I didn't. I choose to be a supervisory meat inspector because it didn't require anymore university academic training. The pay was gainful employment. The work load was substantial. I was busy all the time.
On my path to dental school. I realized that I don't want to miss a single damn birthday for my kids so medical is not where I belong. And at the same time still, fulfill the demand for helping other people so win-win.
Are you enjoying or think that dentistry is worth it? Cause I am passionate about dentistry and business and I don't know which one I am more interested on
@@reshikamahat You need to think not just the present time but also future. I like both of them but when I think about daily life. Medicine demand more personal time and I' m more like a family person.
@@reshikamahat hey, I know someone who graduated from DMD and then, after some years of savings, opened his own dental centre. Today he mostly manages his businesses instead of actually doing dentistry haha. So you can pretty much do both.
@@reshikamahat dentistry is a great field to go into if your are passionate in business. Lots of dentists end up opening their own private practices/businesses which requires knowing how to maximize business. You can even go on to just managing a dental office with dental hygienists who do the physical work
The Allied Health field is so hard! That’s why I ended up switching my major from Nursing to Early Childhood Education. All of you guys in this field are amazing!!!
I think you still underestimate the difficulty of getting into PA school despite the fact that some definitely exaggerate the challenge. The GRE requirements I was set against were significantly higher than what you posted, extracurricular activities included 1200 hours min (2000 realistically) for my program (most are around 1000 min) with different occupations rated differently. Also volunteer work may not be required but to get accepted you may as well say it is unofficially. All in all, compared to my medical school friends the competition is about even with the gap closing. There are obviously things I'm leaving out but I know people who wasted years trying to get into PA school because they underestimated the competition. If your thinking of applying treat it with the same appreciation as going for MD. Happy to share my other experiences if your curious.
Yep. Took me 5 years to get accepted. 3.6 overall GPA, 8 months volunteering at Mayo Clinic, 50-100 shadowing hours, and over 10k hours (CNA and MA) by the time I was accepted. Officially a PA-C as of Friday.
Lisa he stated the facts and researched it. I’m sure he did a proper job. Med school is absolutely more competitive. You are at the 50% percentile to get accepted , Med school is 75% Just accept it and move on. All things in this world are not equal.
Sarza I have known people who got accepted to med school who did not get accepted to PA school. Just saying. Of course most people would not apply to both or try to get into med school after not being accepted to PA school, but it has happened.
@@MHSMagicLuver Lisa, just because some people you know got accepted into med school and not PA school, that does not discount that it is statistically a fact that the mass majority of PA matriculants would be rejected by med school programs.
Yeah and he also never talks about engineering, art, law, astrophysics and computer science! He’s a doctor, he talks about medicine and things he knows from experience. Plus the channel name is Med school insiders.
I understand that this channel is primarily for medical school information. I was talking about how this video specifically wasn't for dental school students. He JUST (within the last 24 hours) changed the title of the video to include the word "dental". Originally the title was "Competitiveness of Med School vs Pharmacy vs PA vs Business vs Law". There was no mention of dental school in the FIRST title. This is why I asked bout dental school. If your going to make a video comparing med school to pharmacy, PA, business, and law, why not include dental? I hope I didn't offend anyone! I love this channel! It was an honest question from an ex pre-med student/current pre-dental student.
I like your ending where you predict medical school will become less competitive due to a variety of factors that doesnt align with reality. It's what I predicted as well. Meanwhile, funny enough, this year has the highest # of applicants on record... possibly partially due to coronavirus. I think for years, reality hasnt aligned expectations but I think overall the information has been VERY poorly disseminated to premeds, and unfortunately once in medical school, it's 'difficult' to leave due to the crushing debt.
I have being watching u since I was in 14 and wanted to do medicine but now I am 18 and I have completely given up on life and have exams in few months which I am not even revising for Bcz i don’t care about anything at this point but watching ur videos makes me feel emotional Bcz it reminds me of them days when I had passion and was driven to improve myself everyday
Could you do a video on MD v. PA? Or "So you want to be a PA"? I feel like a lot of people struggle choosing between these two paths and there aren't as many sources talking about PA pathways as there are MD.😄
I thought Pharmacy was 0% for growth rate. I saw a video with an actual Pharmacologist saying that it's SUPER difficult to become involved. It was a recent, video, too.
yeah, medical school is for sure more competitive. the competition on average scores better than the other career paths. however, i think dentistry is somewhat close. many undergrad and professional school classes overlap with med school as well as needing a lot of extracurriculars to be competitive, not to mention a usual higher required number of shadowing hours for dentistry. Considering the admissions test, the MCAT is harder than the DAT. again it all kinda depends on where you apply and the quality/quantity of the other people applying to that same program
I like how the dude has to keep putting down DO schools instead of just referring to them as US medical schools. Because, frankly, even DO schools are still VERY competitive compare to other grad schools.
Hi Dr. Jubbal, very informative video! Could you make a video about how international students can become physicians and practice in the US, and which way is the "easiest" (applying to medical school as an international applicant after graduating from an US college, applying to residency after completing medical school in your home country, ...)? Thanks, have a nice day
Becoming a surgeon is no joke , and when a person studies to such a level , he doesn't think about money , as the rest of them , because unlike other fields we dont have mechanics to do all our work ....or we dont study just to forget it tomorrow when we go to work.... not to mention our lack of knowledge even one day could kill many people in an instant. its not about which field is competitive, its about the amount of hard work we put in and the use of that hard work . ( i mean i dont want to go to a school just to learn extremely complex stuff further realizing it , now its done just by pressing the red botton)
Vet school typically requires 1000s of hours of animal experience to get accepted into, I'd like to comment that even though the applicant pool numbers are low, it's kinda ridiculous lil
I'm a pre-nursing student with a BA in Sociology. I'm finishing up my last pre-req for my next steps which could be an AS-BSN program or Entry Level Masters program. Will you do a video on RN and NP programs? Or on the profession in general?
40% seem a lot nicer than 4% here in Canada. It actually seems like something you would be able to do with enough hard work and dedication whereas it's sometimes like winning the lottery here.
@@Purpleeyes92 I really don't like nursing honestly. My first option was medical school, but I actually like PA a little more after I got to know more about it.
I’m a PA student. If you have the patient care experience, then PA school isn’t that hard to get into. It just takes a long time to accumulate hours. If you don’t get in one year, as long as you keep gaining patient care experience, your application will always be better the next year. Also, the fact that PAs work under a physician is a little more complex than that. It depends on specialty, state, hospital, etc. that determines your level of autonomy. Because of COVID, a lot of states have increased autonomy for PAs, so the future is looking bright for PA autonomy
How to succeed in third year rotations is really one that I want to see. A lot of people excel on the test part of med school, but struggle to get good evaluations, even when they feel they know the material.
Small note re: law school is they tend to emphasize LSAT more than GPA because law school accepts any major (ie there’s no pre law track required). Also, law schools go by tiers as stated in the video but the top law schools are known as the T14 (Top 14) because these schools have consistently ranked in the top fourteen since US News and world report started ranking schools. The average LSAT required to get into a T14 school is generally over 165 (92nd percentile). Source: am currently a second year law student at the university of Michigan law school
In my country, Pharmacy is the most competitive followed close by dental. Medecine is far less competitive due to the fact that there are more Med school than Dental and Pharmacy schools roughly two in the whole country.. The acceptance rate for dental and pharmacy compared to Medecine is 25-20%. Dental school is mostly focused on more practical side as for Medecine and Pharmacy the clinic takes first place.
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Thanks for watching! If you enjoyed this video, you may want to check out my video on how much college prestige matters: ua-cam.com/video/0clZ16xIHo4/v-deo.html
Hi, I was curious as to what this might look like for Physical Therapy. Thanks!
It’s interesting you reviewed Nurse Practitioner but not Nurse Anesthetist as the qualifications are very different. Maybe an interesting topic for a future video.
This was interesting. I am a vet and when I was going to school the acceptance was around 20% for my school (Mississippi State) probably because we were one of the cheapest ones. *Cries in $200,000 debt with starting salary of $90,000* Here is hoping I do public service loan forgiveness correctly.
Hey what is the game plan to increase the pay .. they pay very low like $8 to $10 an hr. What is the plan ?? Forget degrees for a minute I just need a PLAN ... I am NOT going to work too long with that kind of pay, so after like 2 or 3 yrs whats the next step?? You need to move up and can't stay as a pharmacy technician so where do you go from here?? Thanks
So why do you put pharmacy if you didn’t even talk about it? I heard pharmacists are doctor too is that true? Is that true pharmacists are going for over 8 years to get their doctors degree? Why did you not talk about it if you mentioned it in your heading? Do you not like pharmacists? I believe pharmacists work in pharmaceutical companies to make all our drugs like Amgen or something right? Heard nurses don’t like pharmacists because nurses can’t steal narcotics from hospitals too not sure but my nurses friend tell me how much medical doctors hate pharmacists and nurses says pharmacists are super smart and genius and that’s why medical doctors don’t like pharmacists is that true?
Do this again but this time talk about the average debt for each one
As someone who went to law school and looking into med schools, I can tell you the debt for these 2 programs are very similar if not identical.
Yes! And include other health professions like Optometry :)
i heard dental schools like nyu charge thier students like 600k plus. financial suicide
Also compare when they start earning ? And how much do they earn over time?
Bill Russell you are correct. I’m currently a dental student and can confirm this
Day 9478 of asking for “ So you want to be a Psychiatrist”. I must stay strong for the people😔✊🏽
😂
Maybe it’ll happen on day 9495
Med School Insiders 17 more days⁉️ bet😎 I appreciate all yalls hard work btw🤩
Perhaps make your own video....
L T obviously I can’t or else I wouldn’t be asking in the first place...
Or maybe a Psychiatrist vs Psychologist video???? Maybe????
All these “smart” people, yet still no hoverboards.
Back in the future 2 lied to us
Is this a reference to the dentist who got jailed for riding a hoverboard while treating patients? I can't tell lol
@@zzzzzzzzzz098 no I just really want actual hoverboards, not fake hoverboards.
James, I call the fake ones “Rollerboards,” but I still like them.
That’s more for engineers, not doctors, lawyers, or businessmen.
I'm in my second year of pharmacy school and trust me, don't do this unless you have a truly deep passion for the field. Every single pharmacist I've met talks about the horrors of our current job market.
Garrett, I’m also a 2nd year PharmD student and have had quite the opposite experience! So sorry all your pharmacist encounters have been so negative :( It’s quite the opposite for me as I’ve worked under very passionate pharmacists (I serve as the student pharmacist in a clinic for HIV/AIDS patients, and those one PrEP and PEP!) and have had the opportunity to shadow and talk with passionate pharmacists across my state as well! I will note that the “saturated market” comments are always in regards to the traditional community/retail setting from my encounters but that doesn’t really portray pharmacy correctly as there’s numerous specialties as well as even more non traditional roles such as mine! Hoping you find a passionate pharmacy mentor or find your passion in the realm of pharmacy!
Rudi Elizabeth I’m in medical school but was thinking about the pharmacy route so I naturally have a lot of pharmacy friends (who are practicing). Unfortunately not a single one of them likes it...even a little.
@@emperormouse5487 Again, I'm sorry they don't like their jobs, but that's them. I absolutely love my profession, my future specialty and the patients I serve currently and I know NUMEROUS upon numerous other practicing pharmacists who love what they do, love their patients and their specialties! Truly, there's always going to be people in ANY profession who don't enjoy what they do/want to do something else or more (1 dentist I shadowed in undergrad, 3 physicians I shadowed between high school and undergrad, my family friend who hated being an engineer and went back to school to become a lawyer, and many many more!) I've never been one to allow others opinions dictate what I want to do in life, hence why the one pharmacist I connected with who wanted to do more didn't stop me from applying to pharmacy school and now creating a position serving patients with HIV in my community. Once again, sorry your friends don't enjoy their jobs - sucks for them!
I looked into PharmD because I love math and after reading about the high stress job market I said Fuck that.
All the respect for people who do it, of course.
Ikr same here! Pharmacy has gone downhill so much ! We need the regulatory bodys to do more to ensure that there's enough jobs, good pay and healthcare input
2nd year dental student here and I love it so much! Growing up I had a significant amount of dental work done (orthodontics, root canal, fillings etc.) and I never had much interaction with other medical professionals. The patient relationships, autonomy, lifelong medical education, and less hectic lifestyle lead me to choose a career in dentistry. I look forward to collaborating with all medical professions during my career and improving the health of our patients :)
You still in dental school?
@@SylverUI Yeah! just started my 3rd year
@@wsutherland I'm on my first! goodluck to the both of us!
@@SylverUI thank you! You too!
How long is dental school?
Just started dentistry after quitting medicine. For me there was just too much competition, shifts etc. Really happy I've made that choice!
@@rspec122 The Netherlands. But here dentistry is six years and you can only apply at one university and you have a very, very slim chance to be accepted.
@@rspec122 Here you have to complete a six year version of high school and then six years of dentistry.
Why? If you got into med why leave
Diana, as an outsider you might think med school is perfect but it isn't. If you are in med school you will understand.
@@ruubvanhulst dear You have experience of medical and also iam not interested in medical. But i am now interested in dentistry. And have a slide idea to start it in germany. What is your recommendation i mean is it good in germany to be a dentist or should i reckon again. 😇
Not gonna lie, this is the best medical channel on UA-cam. Keep up the good work ! Please do “So you want to be a Radiologist” !
I need this too!
Do they have a video about what being a pharmacist is like (as in the everyday work at the job)? If they haven’t they should.
Radiology will contract a lot due to new technologies. Much of the work will be one with AI in the future (in 10-20 yrs) with actual humans just double checking the work. So if I were a student I would not choose this specialty.
New title: “So you thought you wanted to be a radiologist…“ You don’t.
Dental student here, you pretty much got most of the things for dental correct, but I just want to add that while dental schools are competitive, private school prices are also shooting up at an unprecedented rate, now in the 300k-500k range, which drives down competitiveness - now at 55% acceptance.
wow. those prices, it makes more cense to go med school
@@geddon436 It would make more sense if making money and being a doctor is your only two priorities, but I didn't really want to become a physician because I didn't want to deal with death or be on-call. While dentists have a lot of debt, the good thing is that we don't have to be on call, aren't super stressed, are able to help people better some parts of their health in other ways, and still make a good amount of money.
@@zzzzzzzzzz098 True. but there are other options for doctors besides the patient interaction, at least from what i have been researching, such as pathologist,
@@geddon436
Med school is very competitve and medical residency is super-damn competitive, don't even dream about reaching a comfortable specialty (if that even exists in the first place)
And dentists don't work a lot of hours per week, most of them just work 3 days a week, almost no shifts and no calls, and on top of that, they make as much as physicians per year (even more than them in some states) it offers a very comfortable and family-friendly lifestyle without being overworked or exhausted, medical doctors even have higher suicide rates than dentists, no job deserves sacrifiying your entire twenties and then overworking you for 30 years or more, no job deserves that!! Unless you have sincere passion for your specialty
As for debt, there is no huge difference regardless of your specialty, dentistry offers independency and dentists who own their private practice make 8x even more than surgeons with flexible hours, maybe there is 150k$ difference in debt but dentistry wins by a large margin, they pay off their loans even faster than doctors, I know an orthodontist who only spent 2 years to pay his 350k$ debt back, and doctors who couldn't even pay their loans back even with 10years of practicing
@@lisaandjenniearemylife2276 are you a med student?
This is very interesting. I'm so happy to be in the field of dentistry before all of the raging levels of competitiveness kicked in. Regardless of the field, just love whatever it is that you're doing and it'll be the most rewarding. All the best to everyone who is still on the grind !
How did you know dentistry was the right career
Dr. Jubbal really said : “good for you, but I never asked.” at 9:48 👀😂
He gangster...
I actually laughed out loud 😂
Lol i see these types a lot
Ain’t it true!!
He said it best their egos are deeply related to their work.
Been waiting for this one!
Please do OB/GYN I’m an African American ore med student and I’m interested to represent and want to protect minority women specifically black women and represent black women in medicine more
me too!!
Same!!!
As a 2nd year med student as sad as it sounds depression is our companion,feeling of inadequacy is overwhelming not to mention the senseless race for higher grades , the stress eats you up the competition wears you out..but there is nothing else you'd rather be doing in your life so you just learn to deal with it
Have you graduated now?
I will never understand such a mindset but respect to you
It would be cool if you did a video on dual degrees in medicine (i.e MD/MBA, MD/MPH, MD/MPP etc)
JD/MD!!
This one please! MD/PhD
Please Do a "How to choose a medical school" like based on ranking, number of cited papers h-index, academic reputation, what to look in a curriculum, style of teaching PBL or traditional, size of classes pros and cons, more research and citation opportunities,Type of exams oral and written, all the factors.
These days it's really tough to choose and know what to look for.
The price. That's it. The most important decision is which school will graduate you with the least amount of debt. As a board certified MD I assure you no employer cares where you went to medical school and even less relevant if you open your own practice. This is not business school where coming form the top 7 matters. Too many students, not just medical students are brainwashed into believing in a school's prestige. These doctors are the ones with the most debt and end up with the lowest salaries.
Stick to an in-state medical school and your future self with half as much debt compared to other students will thank you greatly and you will still find yourself in the same residency program
@@dominick6131 Yes, but when you have Many schools with very similar or almost same prices, then you have to take in account other factors, not all people can't afford medical school, and this applies to international schools not only the ones in the US. Debt sure is important but not the most Important thing.
@@Omar-gf1yb then visit those schools and see which students and professors you fit in with the best. Even if my parents or myself could afford any medical school I would still pick the cheaper in state school and invest the difference or just not accept the extra money from parents
This is a nuanced topic that has much more to it than just choosing the cheapest school. Possible topic for a future video
As I always say, be wary of advice that paints things in black and white and uses broad strokes
Dominick When you’re an attending, sure, the prestige doesn’t matter all that much, but you can’t act like it’s meaningless for the Match. It’s not as important as business school, but it’s definitely a factor. Unless you’re raising a family or something like that where you have exorbitant costs, even $300k in debt can be paid off in well under a decade of being an attending
This is literally my fave medical yt channel 😤❤
try krarma medic
Ikrrrr
@@kevinkibet2335 yeah i love him too but Med school insiders talk about more detailed and specific topics
Great video! one thing missing from the PA admission requirements is the patient clinical care hours which is a major factor in the application.
Would love to see a video comparing Physician vs. PA vs. NP in terms of stats but also prereq coursework, clinical experience, and why one might be better suited for someone than another.
Or if you could make videos on “So You Want to Be a PA” and “So You Want to Be a NP”
Yes
This is not the channel to make that video, as Dr. Jubbal doesn't seem to know very much about the PA profession, based on a number of his videos highlighting PAs, including his recent "So you want to be a PA" video.
I’m a PA student, so I can somewhat answer the PA vs NP debate. Overall, I would recommend PA if you’re from any other health profession besides nursing, since NPs only accept nurses. NP school might be a better option for people with families since there are online programs available. NPs in general have more autonomy than PAs due to strong nursing organization backing them, so depending on the state you might consider NP over PA due to autonomy. I may be biased, but I think PA school is harder than NP school. I talked to a NP student before and things she did for clinical hours during clinical year would not be counted if she was in PA school. For example, taking surveys from patients.
A video like this might require him to do more research on how difficult getting into PA school actually is.
thank you dr. kevin for inspiring me to become a doctor. I'm currently still at high school but i really wanna be an anesthesiologist. promise I'll work really hard. I'll come back to this comment when I achieve my dream. 😊
Success !
Good luck! I myself have decided to become a surgeon and I hope we both get what we wish
Good luck!~ me too, I’m still in high school and I hope I won’t lose my passion and motivation to become the doctor I want to be
thanks y'all for the motivation! let's all achieve our goals. good luck! 😊
You won't come back to this comment lol
As a recently graduated Pharmacist, I wish I went to dental school instead. Better money, work life balance, more prestige.
I don't know. Dental school is usually much more expensive.
I'm in pharmacy school and I regret it cuz we have zero lobbying power . The pbms and pharmacy companies run everything. No unions or anything
Why do you care about prestige?
Finding a great workplace with great co-workers is possible. Sorry you haven’t found it yet. Have you tried getting into a hospital residency program?
@@dominick6131 don't pharmacists in the US go for research or clinical research jobs? How about AnalChem jobs?
As a person who was previously Pre-Med and is now Pre-Law, I like how you included that there are "tiers" of law schools. But something that is also worth noting is that some law firms (especially larger corporate law firms) only take people from the top law schools (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.) and they typically require around a 3.9 GPA and at least a 170 LSAT, so 98th percentile or higher (obviously, there are going to be a few exceptions). Just thought I'd throw that in there.
Pretty common knowledge from those who were deciding between law and medical school. I know tons of people who made the choice of medical school because they didn't want to deal with uncertainty of not getting a job because of the law school they went too. Its the reason why he put the tiers in video because he knows this also.
Have u gotten into law school yet?
@@iLastStar nope! I will be applying next year!
@@thatweirdscienceguy9880 i'm a canadian so my main goal is uoft law, whats your goal law school?
@@iLastStar I wouldn't say I have one "goal law school", but I'm aiming for a T14 law school. Best of luck with applications and decisions!
I think a video about becoming an OMFS surgeon could be really helpful for your channel! Especially since the 6-year program includes a MD degree, it’s a unique specialty of medicine
I know this program is insane! A family friend of mine (whom I call "uncle" because he is my dad's close friend" is a OMFS and was previously a PharmD beforehand. The amount of schooling is crazy to me
Great video, there may also be a significant difference in the difficulty of standardized tests. An 88th percentile LSAT is probably easier to achieve than an 88th percentile MCAT.
Valid point
I'm losing hope that the Psychiatrist video will ever come no matter how many Community Polls we top...😩😢😞 You're breaking our hearts in a way no cardiologist can repair! 💔
I know you'll get there eventually though. Keep up the good work!
If you can find my comment, they said might have hinted that it will come in 17 days 😎
@@fred2995 I saw that! 😀 I hope it's true!
It came
@@Ryanbros that’s what she said
For those who are applying this coming cycle and will most likely be doing interviews online, could you make a video about the application and interview process during COVID? What would be your advice on how to see whether or not a certain school is a good fit for you if there will be no tours or second-look days conducted?
Few simple revision tips for new medical students👍❤
Break up study schedules into 20 to 30 minute segments.
Create a study timetable.
Keep hardest topics for the morning.
Create colorful notes and mind maps.
Practice old exams and papers.
Start assignments sooner rather than later.
Get plenty of sleep.
Wow you’re early
For anyone wondering, matriculant = student
I just started medical school about a month ago and due to some circumstances, I have to take a year leave of absence. I think it is for the best as I now have a year to try out some other things and see if medical school really is truly what I want to do. I know you might think, how do you not know by this point after already being accepted? But, just like Dr. Jubbal on this channel, I think I rather do something in business. I want to work for myself and start making money now instead of in 8 years where I will then just be working to pay off school debt, so in reality, I wont start actually having good money until 15 years from now. I can do a lot of things in 15 years that by then will probably have me making a similar income to a physician, the only difference is I will also be making money the whole way up to that as well. We will see what this year and the future has in store for me!
Yea very very good point, I think u made the right decision, too much school and debt with medical school
I think often a lot of people focus a little too much on getting in, rather than “is this something that I really want to get into?” Being a doctor no matter what you are is significantly tougher than getting into medical school itself, it feels like.
Well to me getting in to medical school is the hardest part, save maybe residency matching, just because that's something largely outside of your own control. You can work incredibly hard and still not get in because of bad luck or a decision someone else makes for you. When you actually are a doctor in residency/as an attending (less so in residency though) you get by on your own merits. You WILL succeed in what you do and provide good patient care based on the work and effort you put in. YOU control your professional success, not an adcoms committee. Of course the stress involved may be far greater esp. if medicine isn't something you actually wanted to do, but for me what makes things hard is when I have to just hope and pray something happens in my favor rather than having the ability to MAKE it happen.
@@LilJbm1 that’s a valid point, though I’d politely disagree. I think being threatened by aggressive patients (occasionally who threaten to kill you), having to discuss things with family members that their Dad is dying in the resuscitation cubicle, working 18 hour shifts on the surgical ward, balancing several critically ill patients at once...I found that the simple uncertainty of knowing whether you’ll get into med school, vs the uncertainty that comes with knowing whether your patient will survive or not...the latter is definitely the hardest part. Of course, that doesn’t happen every day, and I don’t mean to invalidate your point at all. But there are days that you just can’t succeed and can’t save the patient, because of nature’s power and complexity, and you will just sometimes have to take with you on your journey and learn to accept...and that, for me, is one of the hardest parts of medicine. It doesn’t matter how much work you put in, this challenge becomes the challenge of all doctors eventually, and I think it’s important to address that - so that when future doctors see this, they don’t think “ah, I’m deficient in my ability” but instead “ah, so this is the journey of learning what it means to care for people”.
@@dabi_ I can definitely see your point, and experience may well change my perspective at some point, but I have a religious background and my faith helps me to get through some of those trials. It's hard to really deal with the idea of acceptance/rejection from adcoms yet if a patient's illness has progressed to a terminal stage, while this is still a very difficult thing for both the physician and family, it is something easier to ultimately accept in my mind. Since we will all eventually pass, the only question is when, a patient in great suffering with a severe illness may have reached that time. I trust God to guide people to their time. Of course questions still arise about whether you could have done something as a physician to either cure that patient or extend their life, but you can at least take some comfort in extra work you do to improve your skills for the next patient (even if skill wouldn't have made a difference before).
One of the biggest challenges is definitely a difficult talk with a patient's family, or the patient themselves, and I can concede that would easily trump uncertainty with getting into medical school. Of course unless your specialty involves a lot of ICU care it won't necessarily be an everyday experience (one hopes!) and you do have the choice on where you want to be. If you weren't made of the stuff that let you handle the critically ill and near-death patient demographic then I'd argue you wouldn't choose a specialty like EM/Surgery/Anesthesiology or another specialty involving a lot of potential time with terminal patients. Same with Oncology, that's a rough specialty, but there are many other pathways to follow and care for patients who also need physicians where you won't deal with death as frequently.
Point taken well though, I just have a strong faith that helps me get through rough times like those. What helps me anyways. Thank you for sharing.
@@LilJbm1 I think you’ve said it really well :) and beautifully highlighted the importance of believing in something that will carry you through. I think you’ll have a lot of strength, and patients will be all the better for it.
Getting in is the hardest part. Once you get in, if your hardworking then definitely you'll make it
PA student here, I really appreciate you taking the time to lay out the hard facts for this video. It would be interesting to see what the stats would be if the data for DO and MD were consolidated. Reason I say this is that many of my friends who didn't get into their MD program of choice opted for the DO program they were accepted to instead.
Also, I would like to point out that the the PA application process has rapidly become more rigorous over the years (sorry pre-PA folks). For instance, the GRE matriculation metric is low on the totem pole in comparison to the thousands of hours of clinical work experience needed. Furthermore, the GRE has fallen out of favor for most admissions committees as many programs have dropped it entirely and have gone with the PA-CAT (similar to MCAT) instead. Now don't get me wrong, I think MD school is likely more competitive still but just wanted to let you know that the matriculation factors you used were perhaps a bit outdated.
and one more thing I haven't seen anyone mentioned. The typical PA schools only allow your pre-req classes to be done within the timeline of 5-7 years. So if you were getting your Bachelor in 4 years you only have 1-2 years to get in before taking your pre-req classes all over again!
We should also add that only some healthcare experiences are NOT accepted for PA school. The safest routes are nursing, emt, paramedic!
So I think if you were to combine the two it might be closer to a 3.65 or so. Mainly because there are still a lot more MD students (3x more) so they shift the average towards that 3.7. I'm a 3rd year DO student and had a stellar 3.9 gpa, but I suck at standardized test taking so my MCAT was below the avg matriculant. I still got a few MD interviews (mostly in texas), but many more DO. However in the end it really doesn't matter. We learn the same stuff in medical school and apply to the same jobs. I took both USMLE and COMLEX (as is required by our school) and it's the same crap, except that the USMLE (MD boards) are much better written. Half of our faculty are MD's and i've rotated with 3 MDs and only one DO so far in my 3rd year. Point is it doesn't matter what med school you go to so long as you get good board scores, have great rotations, and preferably choose the school that fits you..... and is cheap. PA school is hard to get into for sure so congrats and welcome to the team!!
Burnout is also increasing in medicine because getting into residency is really competitive, especially after the MD/DO merge. Internal medicine residency is brutal trying to get into a competitive fellowship as well. There’s a large supply of medical students for training positions. I wish we could proportionally increase the number of these positions.
I was a first year veterinary student and I’m highly reconsidering this field. It almost feels like people who enter this field want suffering and pain and financial instability
Why is it that PA school has far stronger students with a far more rigorous program yet NPs practice independently and PAs do not ? Something just isn’t adding up. I mean, neither should be practicing independently but based off the data and even anecdotes, PAs are more qualified to be somewhat more autonomous than NP’s.
And don’t tell me that NPs have work experience because there are plenty of Paramedics, Respiratory Therapists and other clinicians who have just as much education and experience as nurses do and become PA’s.
Lobbying
@@MedSchoolInsiders PA Student here, Lobbying is 100% correct. NP's have been in existence longer and have much more say in terms of their role in the healthcare field. That is changing though.
Sad how money & power outweigh patient safety and outcomes. Also, there should be more standardization among NP schools.
Lobbying and the fact that there are way too many NP online churn mills. The vast majority of PA programs require in person labs, rotations, teach on a medical model, etc. The online NP programs are nowhere near the standard of the in-person programs(from what other NPs have told me).
Not to mention PA schools usually require at least 2000 hours in patient experience to even be competitive.
" So you want to become an Oral Maxillofacial Surgeon? ".
Yes please 🥺😭😭
They are freakin' monsters. I'm impressed. DDS + MD is a challenge.
I always get excited when you post. My motivation to become a doctor always comes from you
He forgot to mention that patient care experience for PA apps is the biggest kicker for pa school apps. He talks about nursing experience for NP, but didn’t mention that some pa schools might not “require” PCE, yet their admitting class averages 2,000-3,000+ hours of PCE coming in... basically if you don’t 2-5 years experience at least.. your chances of getting in are much more slim than if you do have those PCE hours
Yeah kind of made the video lose validity to me..
I was thinking the same thing
I think he didn’t want to admit that PA school is as competitive as Med School. They don’t want to admit that PA school is a fast paced version of Med School with no breaks.
Exactly.. this 2-5 year experience thing is what's kicking my butt because like me, many pre -PA students have to take multiple gap years before they can actually successfully get into PA school.. its rough :/
Not to mention that the GRE has very little impact on PA school admission compared to MCAT/PCAT, etc for their respective programs. PCE as well as volunteer hours and other extracurriculars are required to be competitive when applying
Can you do a video for premeds on how to pursue opportunities during these times (COVID-19), as well as what we should be focusing on considering there are not many volunteering opportunities or shadowing opportunities? How can we make a medical school application stronger considering there will be gaps in activities, clinical hours, and volunteering due to the pandemic, and make up for those gaps?
I’m near the top of my law school class in a top tier law school and can say that law school is far easier than people make it sound. Lots of people like to complain about working hard without putting much work in. I might be an outlier, but my first two months of the semester I just chill and do not work much. The last month and a half before exams I put in 10-15 hour days depending on energy and motivation with relaxed weekends. Averages out to about 25-30 hours a week.
Wait can I run me down what I need to do to get into a top law school or a good as someone in my first year of college? Like what classes etc
I am a pharmacy school student and I totally agree with you. I do not understand the need when my colleagues say “it’s hard getting into pharmacy school than medical school”. People may feel validated when they state something like that but it just brings attention to their insecurities.
P.S There is no denial medical school is the most competitive. You guys are awesome!!
Mature guy🎉
My brothers wife couldn’t get into a good med school. She got into PA school. My brother started telling everyone in the family that PA school is harder to get into than med school, and made PA the coolest newest thing in the family
Gambit when your brothers wife is making 5 times less than a doctor, it won’t matter lol
Then there’s the opposite where I have heard of people not getting accepted to PA school but getting accepted to med school. PAschools don’t want students who have it as a 2nd option when they don’t get into med school. They try to ask enough questions so they know intentions of students.
The irony, there's like more requirements for clinical interactions and I think it was harder to get into at one time because it was shorter than med school and less applicants accepted.
Nurse practitioner isn’t competitive at all... literally any nurse can get in if they meet the minimum requirements. There is a million programs.
NP mills are a huge problem in the USA. You give a bunch of average RNs a pittance of what an MD has to study and set them free to often have greater independence than many PAs. I don't disliked NPs (they make great care extenders in physician lead care); I disliked lack of centralized regulation/quality assurance for these accrediting and teaching institutions churning them out.
NP you can get in with a crayon. Now CRNA on the other hand you have to actually work to get in
@@mrburgermaster At least I would go through a NP mill than a Pharmacist mill lol
As someone who is in their fourth year of medical school it is important to note that matriculation into medical school does NOT guarantee you will have the chance to be a practicing physician. You have to match into a residency program in order to become a doctor and the match rate for allopathic students like myself is in the low 90s%. DO is close in match rates at 89%. I calculated that I will spend nearly $1000 dollars on residency applications and this does not include travel fees. This year there will be virtual interviews again which save me a small fortune on flights and hotels.
As a SPT, I would love to see the PT community represented in these types of videos!
I feel the same
please make a “so you want to be a forensic pathologist”
It is interesting how easy it is to get into pharmacy school. Also, most provide remediation if there are failed exams so there is a high retention rate. The gpa at my local school is 2.5 if you have an up trending gpa and 3.0 if not. They don’t require the pcat. Obviously you end up having people really into it and brilliant contributing to the medical field, but then you have people who don’t care and patient care is sub-optimal. As someone who works hard in school, it dilutes the meaning of what we are doing as a profession. I want to know who’s responsible for the laxed entrance requirements. We went from a 2 year degree rph that was very tough to get in, to a 4 year graduate degree “doctorate of pharmacy” that is easier to get into than some state universities 🤔😩.
That’s so true...
My year has around 65:35 female : male split . Idk why medicine is so significantly more appealing to females than males in the UK
Pls do a "so you want to be an obygyn"
I think he already did
He will eventually, it’s one of the main specialties
This is very random but i love how you make sure all races are represented in your cartoon videos . Thank you
Have to agree with Pharmacy to a degree. I have seen more and more schools opening and increasing supply of graduates without a significant increase in demand. It still is a doctorate but supply is definitely increasing leading to worse working conditions and lower starting pay.
Same in my county
A video on mid level providers and their scope of practice would be very intersting!
I’m surprised you didn’t look at clinical psychology PhD programs. Not only do you need top GPA and GRE scores, but you also need to have complimentary research experience and typically a couple of first author papers. In addition to all of this, you have to apply to a specific faculty member who aligns with your research and get chosen by them. To showcase how competitive these programs are, look no further than this year. There were roughly 1500 applicants for a total of 4 faculty members at Boston university.
It’s important to realize that while the ratio of applicants to matriculants gives you some idea of the process - Competitiveness is not the same as difficulty. There is an extremely large amount of information available on the requirements for admission to medical school. There were large amounts of potential applicants who take the MCAT and never even apply because their score was not close to the required score. Practice tests give you a fairly good idea of where you might score on the MCAT and many people who are unable to get their test score to a level which would be acceptable opt to not take the test at all rather than risk taking it and getting a very poor score. It’s also well know what GPA is required and people with poor GPAs, a poor semester, or even just a poor grade in a required class often self select out of the application process. These entrance exams are also not equivalent and the students taking them are not the same. In other words, getting a 50th percentile on the GRE is not the same as a 50th percentile on the MCAT.
I am a retired veterinarian. I naively started my practice in my home area, rural and poor. I practiced 10 years and still couldn't afford a full time employee. I eventually became a Public Health Veterinarian with the USDA supervising meat inspection. Getting out of that depressing practice saved my life. After working in meat inspection 29 years, I was able to comfortably retire. The educational cost of becoming a veterinarian is ridiculous now.
I’m at cornell right now taking a year off because I’m not sure this is the right line of work for me. Do you have any advice on how to make a decision of whether or not to become a vet in this day and age? :/ I thought this was what I wanted to do but I don’t want to do a lot of the clinical work I see sometimes.
@@cat54907 Veterinary medicine is the right career path if love the work so much you would do it for nothing. I didn't. I choose to be a supervisory meat inspector because it didn't require anymore university academic training. The pay was gainful employment. The work load was substantial. I was busy all the time.
You’re almost to 1 M😍
On my path to dental school. I realized that I don't want to miss a single damn birthday for my kids so medical is not where I belong. And at the same time still, fulfill the demand for helping other people so win-win.
Are you enjoying or think that dentistry is worth it? Cause I am passionate about dentistry and business and I don't know which one I am more interested on
@@reshikamahat You need to think not just the present time but also future. I like both of them but when I think about daily life. Medicine demand more personal time and I' m more like a family person.
@@reshikamahat hey, I know someone who graduated from DMD and then, after some years of savings, opened his own dental centre. Today he mostly manages his businesses instead of actually doing dentistry haha. So you can pretty much do both.
@@reshikamahat dentistry is a great field to go into if your are passionate in business. Lots of dentists end up opening their own private practices/businesses which requires knowing how to maximize business. You can even go on to just managing a dental office with dental hygienists who do the physical work
Who all watch this and want to be a doctor but something somewhere there is a Problem ?
Yep... That's me
Go with your gut
Please add other professions like optometrist, physical therapist, occupational therapist, scientist, psychologist, and chiropractor! (:
Great content. I wish you would have included other graduate medical paths such as Podiatry, Optometry, Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy.
There are too many pharm school created with no jobs.
The Allied Health field is so hard! That’s why I ended up switching my major from Nursing to Early Childhood Education. All of you guys in this field are amazing!!!
I think you still underestimate the difficulty of getting into PA school despite the fact that some definitely exaggerate the challenge. The GRE requirements I was set against were significantly higher than what you posted, extracurricular activities included 1200 hours min (2000 realistically) for my program (most are around 1000 min) with different occupations rated differently. Also volunteer work may not be required but to get accepted you may as well say it is unofficially. All in all, compared to my medical school friends the competition is about even with the gap closing. There are obviously things I'm leaving out but I know people who wasted years trying to get into PA school because they underestimated the competition. If your thinking of applying treat it with the same appreciation as going for MD. Happy to share my other experiences if your curious.
Yep. Took me 5 years to get accepted. 3.6 overall GPA, 8 months volunteering at Mayo Clinic, 50-100 shadowing hours, and over 10k hours (CNA and MA) by the time I was accepted.
Officially a PA-C as of Friday.
Lisa he stated the facts and researched it. I’m sure he did a proper job. Med school is absolutely more competitive. You are at the 50% percentile to get accepted , Med school is 75%
Just accept it and move on. All things in this world are not equal.
Sarza I have known people who got accepted to med school who did not get accepted to PA school. Just saying. Of course most people would not apply to both or try to get into med school after not being accepted to PA school, but it has happened.
@@MHSMagicLuver Lisa, just because some people you know got accepted into med school and not PA school, that does not discount that it is statistically a fact that the mass majority of PA matriculants would be rejected by med school programs.
Dr. Jubbal videos = absolute quality
Thanks for sharing! You shared an outstanding post and gave good information about this all topics.
Why don't you ever talk about dental school?? Can you please do more videos on it. Thank you! Love your channel!
AGREED!!
Mehrnoosh A After all, it is called “*Med School* Insiders,” not just “Medical Field Insiders”
Yeah and he also never talks about engineering, art, law, astrophysics and computer science!
He’s a doctor, he talks about medicine and things he knows from experience.
Plus the channel name is Med school insiders.
I understand that this channel is primarily for medical school information. I was talking about how this video specifically wasn't for dental school students. He JUST (within the last 24 hours) changed the title of the video to include the word "dental". Originally the title was "Competitiveness of Med School vs Pharmacy vs PA vs Business vs Law". There was no mention of dental school in the FIRST title. This is why I asked bout dental school. If your going to make a video comparing med school to pharmacy, PA, business, and law, why not include dental?
I hope I didn't offend anyone! I love this channel! It was an honest question from an ex pre-med student/current pre-dental student.
Brianna Glenn you’re *^
When he said that dentistry is becoming more widespread on social media, I immediately thought of The Bentist.
I like your ending where you predict medical school will become less competitive due to a variety of factors that doesnt align with reality. It's what I predicted as well. Meanwhile, funny enough, this year has the highest # of applicants on record... possibly partially due to coronavirus. I think for years, reality hasnt aligned expectations but I think overall the information has been VERY poorly disseminated to premeds, and unfortunately once in medical school, it's 'difficult' to leave due to the crushing debt.
A MCAT score of 511 translates to an 82nd percentile not an 88th
I have being watching u since I was in 14 and wanted to do medicine but now I am 18 and I have completely given up on life and have exams in few months which I am not even revising for Bcz i don’t care about anything at this point but watching ur videos makes me feel emotional Bcz it reminds me of them days when I had passion and was driven to improve myself everyday
Try to stay positive. Just study little by little
These videos are so informative & straight to the point thank youu fr ✨
Could you do a video on MD v. PA? Or "So you want to be a PA"? I feel like a lot of people struggle choosing between these two paths and there aren't as many sources talking about PA pathways as there are MD.😄
I agree! A sister channel devoted to the Physician Assistant path would be excellent as well!
I thought Pharmacy was 0% for growth rate. I saw a video with an actual Pharmacologist saying that it's SUPER difficult to become involved. It was a recent, video, too.
I am happy to discover this channel because it really helps me a lot and I am learning new things from all of these helpful videos❤
I suspect in the coming years, DO numbers will go up as people realize there’s very little difference between an MD and a DO.
Do a “So you want to be a general dentist” video please:)
Can we please have a “so you want to be an internist” video?
Me, applying to optometry school this year
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Right 👁👁 not included 🧍♂️😏🤝
yeah, medical school is for sure more competitive. the competition on average scores better than the other career paths. however, i think dentistry is somewhat close. many undergrad and professional school classes overlap with med school as well as needing a lot of extracurriculars to be competitive, not to mention a usual higher required number of shadowing hours for dentistry. Considering the admissions test, the MCAT is harder than the DAT. again it all kinda depends on where you apply and the quality/quantity of the other people applying to that same program
This video could've been 3 seconds.
"Which professional school is the most competitive?" "
Answer: who cares?"
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Hi Dr. Jubbal, pls make a video on becoming a physician assistant and the process! Thank you 🙏🏼
Hi Med School Insiders, I like your content. I love watching your videos.
You should talk about Occupational Therapy and Physical Therapy!
I completely agree, getting into physical therapy and occupational therapy may be tougher than med school
@@bendover6321 hell nah lol please 😂 PT and OT is more difficult to become than MD? Hahahaha
I like how the dude has to keep putting down DO schools instead of just referring to them as US medical schools. Because, frankly, even DO schools are still VERY competitive compare to other grad schools.
All im gonna say is, as a pre med student I took an LSAT practice test once... biggest headache of my life. MCAT is easier to study for than the LSAT.
Do “so you want to be an oral and maxillofacial surgeon” next!
Joseph Khawand Doesn’t he only do that series for physician paths?
Hi Dr. Jubbal, very informative video!
Could you make a video about how international students can become physicians and practice in the US, and which way is the "easiest" (applying to medical school as an international applicant after graduating from an US college, applying to residency after completing medical school in your home country, ...)? Thanks, have a nice day
Can you do a video about PA track? Day 30982: “So you want to become a PA?”
Equality of outcome DOES NOT eauate to equality of opportunity. Thanks for mentioning that!
so you want to be a dentist!!
Yes yes yes yes
Idk really but idk. Maybe
Becoming a surgeon is no joke , and when a person studies to such a level , he doesn't think about money , as the rest of them , because unlike other fields we dont have mechanics to do all our work ....or we dont study just to forget it tomorrow when we go to work....
not to mention our lack of knowledge even one day could kill many people in an instant.
its not about which field is competitive, its about the amount of hard work we put in and the use of that hard work . ( i mean i dont want to go to a school just to learn extremely complex stuff further realizing it , now its done just by pressing the red botton)
Vet school typically requires 1000s of hours of animal experience to get accepted into, I'd like to comment that even though the applicant pool numbers are low, it's kinda ridiculous lil
This may be flirting with danger, but a video on academia culture and the political tendencies of medical students would be interesting.
I'm a pre-nursing student with a BA in Sociology. I'm finishing up my last pre-req for my next steps which could be an AS-BSN program or Entry Level Masters program.
Will you do a video on RN and NP programs? Or on the profession in general?
40% seem a lot nicer than 4% here in Canada. It actually seems like something you would be able to do with enough hard work and dedication whereas it's sometimes like winning the lottery here.
I really wanna try the PA route, but their acceptance rate is turning me off.
Have you thought about nursing?
@@Purpleeyes92 I really don't like nursing honestly. My first option was medical school, but I actually like PA a little more after I got to know more about it.
Me too but their acceptance rate is similar to med school. But I do like what PAs do even though they have to work under a physician
@@blahblahshutup6024 its 2.7%not 0.027%i know ur talking about india.
I’m a PA student. If you have the patient care experience, then PA school isn’t that hard to get into. It just takes a long time to accumulate hours. If you don’t get in one year, as long as you keep gaining patient care experience, your application will always be better the next year. Also, the fact that PAs work under a physician is a little more complex than that. It depends on specialty, state, hospital, etc. that determines your level of autonomy. Because of COVID, a lot of states have increased autonomy for PAs, so the future is looking bright for PA autonomy
How to succeed in third year rotations is really one that I want to see. A lot of people excel on the test part of med school, but struggle to get good evaluations, even when they feel they know the material.
Small note re: law school is they tend to emphasize LSAT more than GPA because law school accepts any major (ie there’s no pre law track required). Also, law schools go by tiers as stated in the video but the top law schools are known as the T14 (Top 14) because these schools have consistently ranked in the top fourteen since US News and world report started ranking schools.
The average LSAT required to get into a T14 school is generally over 165 (92nd percentile).
Source: am currently a second year law student at the university of Michigan law school
So what classes do I take in college? And it’s just 3 years of law school and then u get hired?
In my country, Pharmacy is the most competitive followed close by dental. Medecine is far less competitive due to the fact that there are more Med school than Dental and Pharmacy schools roughly two in the whole country.. The acceptance rate for dental and pharmacy compared to Medecine is 25-20%. Dental school is mostly focused on more practical side as for Medecine and Pharmacy the clinic takes first place.
Which country?
I think a video about what an MBA could bring to an DO/MD degree would be interesting!
Maybe do a video on dual degrees like MD/MBA or MD/JD or JD/MBA etc?
I would really like to see " So you want to be a Pathologist?" ! It's my favourite medical specialty and I am interested in pursuing this path.
I disagree, medicine is unlikely to become less competitive