Only One Can Stay... | Spyderco Shaman Vs. PM2

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  • Опубліковано 30 лис 2024

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  • @SteveK348
    @SteveK348 2 роки тому +50

    Show us on the doll where the big bad jimping hurt you 😂😂

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +9

      It's too painful 😖 I can't 😓

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +11

      For real, this did make me laugh 😂
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @DuhYaThink
      @DuhYaThink Рік тому

      😂

    • @pooder53
      @pooder53 Рік тому +5

      >OP: "Right here"
      >shamefully points to the doll's pants pockets
      >begins sobbing

    • @ReapersEDC
      @ReapersEDC 9 місяців тому +1

      He no longer owns them because they hurt so bad🤣🤣🤣

  • @mrmaxx4400
    @mrmaxx4400 4 місяці тому +4

    Your critical detailed analysis of the Shaman was surprising given all the accolades online.
    I'm impressed by your review.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  4 місяці тому

      Thank you, my friend 🙏 appreciate the kind words

  • @chimchu3232
    @chimchu3232 2 роки тому +10

    I have a shaman in s30v and a pm2 in s45vn, the pm2 is my favorite all time knife, and my main edc knife, but I like the shaman for work or heavy use outdoors in the woods etc. Overall really like both of them, couldn't imagine getting rid of either

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      The Shaman would definitely make a fantastic harder use companion to the PM2! I just don't have quite enough use for a folder like that.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @woodentulike2no
    @woodentulike2no 8 місяців тому +5

    I LOVE aggressive Jimping! Thanks for the review, just ordered a black G10 satin blade one today!🤘

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  8 місяців тому +3

      You'll probably love this knife then! Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @richardvirchow3390
    @richardvirchow3390 7 місяців тому +3

    I learned to get my finger off the compression lock/ out of the way of the “nub” the second that the blade started to close.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  7 місяців тому

      Yeah it's definitely a move you can practice, but imo the nub just isn't necessary. I had one where I removed the nub and I like it a lot more

  • @carmelorafaeltansengco196
    @carmelorafaeltansengco196 2 роки тому +7

    We went the opposite direction. I still love my PM2s but they have displaced from the top spot by my Shaman. I just sold my 'blurple' PM2 last Saturday. I still have an S30V with digi-camo scales and a DLC coated blade and I also have an all-black S45VN. Love both. I just prefer the Shaman.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Definitely understandable 🙌
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @sprinkleddonuts6094
      @sprinkleddonuts6094 Рік тому

      Well, thats where everyone is different. Taste is subjective

  • @gingebrien2408
    @gingebrien2408 11 місяців тому +4

    I’m hoping Spydie makes a sprint run of the Shaman in Magnacut. But the PM2 & PM2 are perfect.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  11 місяців тому

      Yeah that would be awesome 💯
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @tgonzalez1983
    @tgonzalez1983 Рік тому +4

    Maybe I’m used to it because I had the shaman before a PM2, but moving my finger before the nub hits isn’t a big deal to me. Although I do agree the PM2 is much less cumbersome to carry & manipulate. It’s much more nimble & agile. The stock shaman g10 scales are so slick I feel like I’m close to dropping it whenever I close it.

  • @arts.3682
    @arts.3682 2 роки тому +7

    Another really great video Dan. Truly some of the best knife content on UA-cam!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Wow thank you, Art! I really appreciate it 🙏

  • @Harry-dr1em
    @Harry-dr1em 2 місяці тому +2

    The new Bodacious solves that nubb over the compression lock problem. That was a deal breaker on the Shaman for me as well

  • @stephen_crumley
    @stephen_crumley 2 роки тому +4

    I finally decided on my first quality knife, was between the shaman and pm2 and you helped make my decision with this video. Had no clue about the shaman nub, as I am a complete newb. Been researching for almost a year but finally ordered a PM2 dlc coated blade & digi camo in S30V for $129 on Black Friday sale!
    Can’t explain how excited I am for it to arrive. All I’ve ever had is gas station level china junk lol

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Hey that's awesome congrats! Great choice too, and a great sale price 🙌
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @sprinkleddonuts6094
      @sprinkleddonuts6094 Рік тому +1

      Just buy both. Save some cash if you cant right away.

  • @ToRo909r
    @ToRo909r Рік тому +2

    I have the Shaman in S30V and the PM2 in S45VN. I love them both. Couldn’t get rid of either. I have been curious about the CME for the Spydercos but still on the fence about it.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Both great knives no doubt 🙌 I'll probably pick up another Shaman at some point 😅

  • @orange010
    @orange010 Рік тому +4

    It is so easy to remove the sharpness on the jimping with very fine sandpaper 3000 and The nopp can also be removed. I haven't removed The Nopp on mine but polished the Jimping with sandpaper 3000 and you can't see it but it feels very soft. Thanks for the video 💖

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Yeah I de-jimped a Manix 2 recently it was so much better! Also nub delete on a 15V Shaman I picked up recently. So nice now. Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @Hungrybird474
      @Hungrybird474 Рік тому +1

      I guess a cme covers it up . Waiting for it to arrive . Can’t stand that nub . Whatever Purpose it serves I can guarantee I ll personally never need it

  • @jonduncansakurawallknifegarden
    @jonduncansakurawallknifegarden 2 роки тому +2

    Perfect comparison of the two. Well done dude!!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Thank you very much, Jon!
      And thanks for watching 👍

  • @addictedtowarthunder4610
    @addictedtowarthunder4610 2 роки тому +2

    You forgot the shaman can be front flipped using the sharp jimping towards the end 👍

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Oh I definitely found that out! The jimping is way too sharp for it to be comfortable, though. It's probably much nicer on the stonewash blade

  • @DuhYaThink
    @DuhYaThink Рік тому +2

    Grabbed a satin and a dlc version “shaman micarta m4” love em. Awt makes some really nice scales for then that lightens and makes them a bit thinner. But I do have a pm2 in my pocket and too many at home🙈👍🏻

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Awesome! I actually got a new Shaman (15V) and put AWT scales on it. So nice now

    • @DuhYaThink
      @DuhYaThink Рік тому +2

      @@NocturneKnives Those 15v models are awesome. Hope they use cpm15v on some production knives.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      I'm thinking they will probably make a 15V series Stretch, native, stuff little that. Would be awesome 👍

  • @TheIronwil
    @TheIronwil 2 роки тому +3

    The nub alone would be enough to irritate me. I only have the Spyderco Para Military 2, which I LOVE, and it doesn’t have this problem. I haven’t found anything bad about it yet.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Yep! Definitely annoying. I love my PM2s, only a few things I would change: a little handle contouring, a thinner, grind, and less aggressive jimping. But damn it's popular for a reason
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @TheIronwil
      @TheIronwil 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives I’ve only been collecting knives for less than a year, and the Spyderco Para Military 2 was my 2nd purchase. First was an Emerson CQC-15. Both awesome knives. The CQC-15 has the fastest deployment of any knife I’ve ever handled, including switchblades. Currently my #1 is the WE Shuddan in Damasteel. I had to blow three months’ budget on that one, but it was worth it. The only gripe I have for my Shuddan is the frame lock could be more easily accessible. It’s not difficult to work or anything, but there’s no cut-out to provide easy access, so it takes a bit of pressure unless you hold the knife just right. Otherwise, it’s an awesome beast of a knife. The action is something close to magic. It’s so fast when you break the detent, it seems that the blade just suddenly appears. Thinner side to side than I expected, and feels great in my hand. Thanks for doing videos like this. I also watched your tests for the PM2 in M4. That is a workhorse. My only blade with M4 is my Benchmade Freek.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Always great to see more people making financially irresponsible decisions (aka collecting knives) 😅
      That WE sounds pretty killer!
      Very glad you're enjoying the videos 👊

  • @Sanguivore
    @Sanguivore 2 місяці тому +1

    You just saved me a ton of money! That nub is a huge no-go for me.

  • @slang-d-west
    @slang-d-west 2 роки тому +1

    Jimping on my s30v was also a bit aggressive so I took it down a bit. Noticed it crazy sharp on my m4 like yours but will probably leave it in case I need to saw a tree down, lol.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Lol it would be good for that!
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @ironsights7028
    @ironsights7028 Рік тому +1

    That rockscale backspacer, is that a black version? Or is that the graphite model?

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Graphite is what they call black. This whole set is graphite color

  • @macmiddlebrooks1
    @macmiddlebrooks1 2 роки тому +4

    Agree 100%. The pm2 still reigns supreme.

  • @kirkland0074
    @kirkland0074 Рік тому +3

    Jymping was made for hard work and able to be used with gloves, a friend of mine’s had a knife with smooth Jymping and slipped got cut pretty badly!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Oh yeah for sure, totally agree. With gloves jimping is awesome. Personally, I rarely have instance to have gloves on and use my knife. So my preference is little or no jimping, but it's all about personal use
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @billclancy4913
    @billclancy4913 3 місяці тому +1

    I own both and carry the Shaman 3 to 1 over the PM2. If you just fidget and cut paper, the PM2 is the choice, but if you need a sturdy, reliable knife the Shaman is the choice. Personally I didn't even notice the nub until it was shown on youtube. I guess my "man hands" didn't feel the jimping issue...Actually I like it! I still use my PM2 as my "Gentlemans blade".

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  3 місяці тому

      Dang, PM2 as a gents carry is bold lol! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I know a lot of people prefer the shaman, but personally I like a little more light and slicy. I don't have many hard use duties for me knives
      Thanks for watching!

  • @chriswebb3018
    @chriswebb3018 2 роки тому +3

    The blade hq shaman was my first shaman as well. The things you pointed out were the things I didn't like either. But I like the knife enough to change them. So I got it reground to 10 tho bte and the nub ground off, then I soften all the jimping. Now I do like the pm2 better but my shaman is so amazing now and so good I can't ever see getting rid of it.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      I could see it being pretty amazing with those mods!
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @ajmprovidence
    @ajmprovidence 2 роки тому +1

    The blade on the cutlery Shoppe version is stonewashed which helps knock down all those sharp edges. I know exactly what you're talkin about

  • @amitzdullnicker2k
    @amitzdullnicker2k 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you very much for the video! I was SO close to buying the BladeHQ exclusive, but exactly the points that you made would make me dislike the knive for daily usage. Both the jimping and especially the nub would drive me crazy. I really like all the rest of the knife, but this is a total turn-off. So again, thanks for saving me money. I now appreciate my Native Chief in M4 even more! ❤

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      I have the same Native Chief! I like it as well.
      Very glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching 👍

  • @ZPositive
    @ZPositive 2 роки тому +5

    Great review! I liked and subscribed.
    Take a dremel to the nub. Use a cut-off wheel to remove most of it, then a sanding drum to make it look perfect. Then take the sanding drum to the corners of the jimping. Before I did those two tweaks, I didn't like my Shaman. After those two tweaks, my Shaman competes with my PM2s for pocket time.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks, Anthony, much appreciated!
      Yeah I definitely considered those mods, ultimately I think I would prefer a PM2 still; but that's just my preference

    • @ZPositive
      @ZPositive 2 роки тому +4

      @@NocturneKnives I was in the same boat until I bit the bullet and did the mods. I tried and tried to like the shaman, but I just didn't "get it" if that makes any sense. Once I took care of the annoyances, the design finally spoke to me.

    • @mattphillips4384
      @mattphillips4384 2 роки тому +1

      Great to know

  • @kirkland0074
    @kirkland0074 Рік тому +5

    Shaman is a working man’s knife to be used with gloves and a heavy duty knife, it’s not pretty but it does what it needs to do to get the job done

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Agreed, unfortunately just not a knife I need most of the time. And imo a knife should be comfortable with or without gloves, but that's just my thought

    • @Dustyphoto915
      @Dustyphoto915 8 місяців тому +1

      I disagree. It’s not pretty, it’s handsome.

  • @andyhayward1261
    @andyhayward1261 2 роки тому +1

    I just got my lefty PM2 and it’s awesome! Feels great having a knife actually designed for a lefty! I can operate right handed compression locks with my left hand pretty easily but I suspect the nub on the shaman would make it practically impossible
    Great video, you got yourself a new sub!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Glad you're enjoying it and thanks for watching 🙏

    • @Knivess0
      @Knivess0 Рік тому +1

      I just got a Shaman, and yeah it is pretty much impossible to close or open it using the compression lock lefty, but it's such a staple in the Spyderco line up that I had to get it. Been considering a lefty PM2 even though I already have the right variant, hah.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      I bet a compression tab would make it way more useable!

  • @longbowbill
    @longbowbill 8 місяців тому +1

    I've owned 2 Shamans BOTH developed horrible grinding action after a day of flicking. Both went back. I know I could have taken apart and fixed but not on a new knife. Never happened on a PM2 or Manix.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  8 місяців тому

      Huh very strange. Sounds like an issue with the detent, or maybe just some dirt getting on the detent path. Or maybe something loosening up.

  • @whatfreedom7
    @whatfreedom7 2 роки тому +1

    The warncliffe para would look nice with the fat carbon artic storm scales.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      I have strongly consider doing a scale swap to make that combo! I might do it just to see what it looks like

  • @boristheblade12
    @boristheblade12 Рік тому +2

    Beautiful knives and I enjoy both. But I bet you regret selling the Blade HQ Exclusive Shaman M4. It’s Discontinued and I got offered $600 for mine but I don’t want to sell it.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Hey that's pretty cool. I don't like selling things over my cost, so I would not have taken advantage of that. But cool nonetheless 🙌

    • @boatbuilding4412
      @boatbuilding4412 Рік тому +1

      I have the shaman 15v to sell or trade for par2 15v

  • @Grizzly_Creek
    @Grizzly_Creek 4 місяці тому +1

    MINOR issues for a knife that is more capable that the PM2. The PM2 would be really awesome if the tip wasn't so thin.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  4 місяці тому +1

      More capable for some things, less so for others. All depends on what you need from your knife.
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @mikolajszyba1925
    @mikolajszyba1925 Рік тому +1

    This very sharp jimping on Shaman is for front flipping... U can front flip it...Spyderco Shaman is a front flipper also...

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      The Shaman *can* be front flipped, but that does not make it a front flipper. It's very awkward and uncomfortable to front flip, and the jimping on this satin version is so sharp it really starts to cut into your finger after a few attempts. The Shaman was never designed to be a front flipper, that was just a by-product of how the tang is shaped

  • @DB.KOOPER
    @DB.KOOPER Рік тому +3

    The PM@, the choice of lady-boys who's soft hands and tight pants can't handle some jimping.

  • @Rascal77s
    @Rascal77s Рік тому +1

    I hope this doesn't come across as offensive because I don't mean it to be. Do you wear those skinny jeans, because ive never had a problem with the jimping in my pockets. I wear fairly loose jeans. Maybe there's a difference? I personally love the jimping on the shaman. If it doesn't work for you there's nothing wrong with that. Don't compromise on what you like. The great thing about spydercos is if don't like it most of them have great resale value. I got the blue smkw pm2 also. Great knife.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Lol no offense taken, my friend 😂 I wear moderately fitted jeans (with athletic legs jeans I've usually got a somewhat snug fit regardless of cut). The shaman is the only knife I've experienced this issue with. I'm curious, such version do you have? Is the blade stone washed or satin finish? I ask because the stone wash blades (as is on the normal version with S30V steel) have much softer jimping.
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @Rascal77s
      @Rascal77s Рік тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives I have the crucarta, z wear, s90v cf, 4v st Nick's, rex 45, and 15v. The only one I carry is one of my two crucarta with a satin blade. All of the others are safe queens to be passed o to my kids some day. I never noticed the difference between jimping between satin and stone, but that's just me not noticing and what you say makes perfect sense. Btw do you have a kapara? If not I think you might really like it. The kapara gets 90% of my pocket time. Great knife.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому +1

      Ah very interesting. Good to know it doesn't bother everyone then!
      I actually owned a Kapara several years ago. I didn't love it then, but that was a phase for me when I was into smaller knives. I think I would really like it more now! That's for the suggestion 🙏

    • @Rascal77s
      @Rascal77s Рік тому

      @@NocturneKnives 🍻

  • @williamyoung369
    @williamyoung369 Рік тому +1

    I gotta Shaman, I don't use it, gonna send it back. Stiff opening, can't adjust the pivot, has side to side blade play. I would expect better quality at that price point.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      They need a lot of break, and with some careful tuning the action can reach a state of euphoric bliss. But I understand not wanting to put that much effort in. I prefer the PM2 anyway 🙌

  • @woofman4796
    @woofman4796 2 роки тому +1

    first you say there are a lot of things you don't like about it,,then you say, here are the 2 things you don't like about it, i have the pm2, love it, the shaman is a great knife

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Ah yes, thank you for pointing out the discrepancy. I really appreciate it!
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @Gramkan
    @Gramkan Рік тому +2

    Sharp jimping and edges on satin finish spydercos has been a thing for decades, just chamfer it with a sharpening stone

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Oh yes I'm well aware. I mentioned similar in my video 👍
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @BPF80MCar-vi1pg
    @BPF80MCar-vi1pg Рік тому +1

    The Manix 2 is what you should get

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      I actually had a Manix, I didn't love the lock actuation and over all prefer my PM2, so ended up selling it. Really good knife though. I did a sweet skinny mod and that made it really awesome

  • @Chingus696
    @Chingus696 Рік тому +1

    I have a pm2 in my pocket right now but I would never get rid of my shamans…. Deal with the nub and you learn how or you’re punished for it! No big deal! And the jimping is one of the shaman’s best features! Maybe you need to trade those baby-man hands in for some man paws?

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      I actually ended up getting another shaman... and removed the nub. It's just a miss all around.
      I'm not sure what version of the shaman you've handled, but these with the satin finish are another level of aggressive jimping. Glad to hear you like it, but I don't like getting my pockets and hands shredded every time I take my knife out.
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @sonofliberty78
    @sonofliberty78 2 роки тому +3

    No way I’d keep a PM2 instead of the Shaman. It’s more like a larger Sage5, (which I also love), than a larger Native. PM2’s, (and PM3’s), just leave me cold. To each his own, I s’pose.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      I understand that preference, I just get more enjoyment from my PM2s
      Thanks for watching 👍

    • @sonofliberty78
      @sonofliberty78 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives Yep, and that’s cool. Thanks for the content! I own an M4Carta Shaman too, and agree that the top jimping on the satin finish is a little aggressive, but I’ve got reasonably tough hands, so it doesn’t bother me. If it tore up my pants, (hasn’t really), then I’d just knock the edges down myself. I don’t mind “tweaking” my tools to better suit me. Anyway; I recently came close to buying a CruCarta PM2… until I saw what they chose to do with the liners and scales on that model. 🤨👎

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      I do love modding and customizing my knives, but I was pretty sure I wouldn't ever like the Shaman more than my PM2s, so I just decided to sell and move on

    • @sonofliberty78
      @sonofliberty78 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives Fair enough. The Shaman is a chonky boi, there’s no getting around that. Either you like it enough to get used to that, or not. It’s all personal preference.

    • @sonofliberty78
      @sonofliberty78 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives Really dig that blacked out Wharnie PM2, btw. If another PM2 is released with a blade like that; I’ll have to get me one.

  • @vaugith1719
    @vaugith1719 2 роки тому +5

    Your action isn't broken in yet. I wouldn't be happy with it either. It will get there in time... Should fall shut with gravity when comp lock pushed. Contouring is amazing. Spyderco should contour everything. Nub is only an issue for first month or so of carry. You learn it and it becomes muscle memory, don't even think about it anymore. Did a nub delete on my first shaman, now I wish i hadn't. Jimping is sharp, yes. Had many jeans destroyed by them. Another issue - too thick bte. Overall it's my top choice for a work knife, but not my choice for edc type carry at all.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +3

      A contoured PM2 would be a game changer...
      Agree with everything you said! Would make a great work knife, but as an EDC it doesn't beat the PM2
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @ttattx
    @ttattx Рік тому +2

    funny how you were complaining about the "nub" but like three closings in a row, it fell right into place, and if you wanted a less "sharp" jimping, you should have gotten the stonewashed... that knocks down the "sharpness" on the blade, especially in teh spidey hole - where on the PM2, in satin - it's nearly cut my middle finger pad. I have both, and would not sell either - both amazing...

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      It falls into place if I get the timing right, but imo that's annoying to have to focus on. It's funny that you say this like I'm trying to deceive you about my dislikes?? 😅
      I believe I did mention the stone wash blade will have smoother jimping in my video (although not positive on that). Anyway, I definitely mentioned how I could just sand it smoother (recently did that on my Manix and it's real nice). I wanted the M4 blade though and that does not come in a stone wash.
      For me, the Shaman just doesn't beat out the PM2, good for you if not!
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @edrader
    @edrader Рік тому +1

    dump them both and get the stretch II in k390

  • @sicilianmammalian
    @sicilianmammalian 2 дні тому

    I have the shaman, the paramilitary 2 is slightly illegal where I live

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 дні тому

      How is the Shaman legal but PM2 not?

    • @sicilianmammalian
      @sicilianmammalian 2 дні тому

      @NocturneKnives it's actually not I thought it was 3.5 where I lived but it's 4, but if you're driving between states it's something to be mindful of

  • @kevinAuman1
    @kevinAuman1 Рік тому +1

    Seriously man-uppp! If a manly knife hurts your feelings then maybe you are right not to carry or own one but I sure love mine personally and cannot waaait for the BigBrownBear 15V version to be released as I already got the 15V manix and just Wowww now this is steel lol this 15V and the M398 mule are levels of edge retention that are quite possibly reaching that "never need sharpened" level between the two id pick the 15V because it takes a crisper edge and seems to easily strop to an edge you are scared to touch your skin with because it will bite you and bite deep... Super stoked that Spyderco takes the time to experiment with such nearly impossible to grind steels to appease us knife-nuttz and to run them as a production model with a custom heat treatment protocol up to 65-66HRC no other knife company is doing that other than custom makers lol

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Ah yes, that's great advice! If I have a problem with some design feature, just ignore it! Why didn't I think of that?
      It's interesting that the BBB version you mention wanting actually has a stone wash, which as I mentioned in my video would almost completely solve the jimping issue... Have you ever handled one of the satin versions?? That top jimp is unexcusable in terms of sharpness. And it's not even mostly about hand comfort, it actually makes it difficult to get in pocket and I think would tear your pocket to shreds
      Anyway, thanks for watching 🙏

  • @AIRFORCEFREAK1
    @AIRFORCEFREAK1 2 роки тому +1

    I need to get me an M4 PM2 it seems.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      It's a sick knife! Spyderco does M4 very well

    • @Soul-diering
      @Soul-diering 2 роки тому

      How many times you gonna flip that motherfucker shit!🤔

  • @cjanquart
    @cjanquart 2 роки тому +1

    ::channeling little Hispanic girl from a taco shell commercial::
    "Why not both?"
    I get you though, if you're not in love with it, I get it. The issues with "the nub" and jimping; your knife shouldn't injure the user or cause excessive wear on your clothing. These issues would make this a no-go for me as well, but att least it's going to a new home.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Yeah I just couldn't justify keeping them both, when I know I'll prob never reach for the Shaman over a PM2, even after fixing those issues.
      The new owner likes it though, so I'm happy about that!
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @DeffoZappo
    @DeffoZappo 29 днів тому

    I don't understand the price of the shaman. $240 for s30v. My pm 2 s45v was $80 less.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  29 днів тому

      Most of the cost of the Shaman goes to the contoured handles. There's only a very minimal difference between S30V and S45VN.

  • @zitronenfalte
    @zitronenfalte Рік тому +5

    "only one knife can stay" - Most nonsensical thing I ever read!
    NO man ever said that!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Lol 😂 only one of *these* particular knives!

    • @retardno002
      @retardno002 3 місяці тому

      ​@@NocturneKnives sir, that's not how Spyderco works. You get multiples of the same model because of the steel variety, not get rid of *different* models.

  • @D2G10
    @D2G10 Місяць тому

    Stone washed shaman has much softer jimping and that is the default Shaman. Also Shaman has much stronger blade and tip. If you are into bushcrafting or survival Shaman is a much better knife and PM2.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Місяць тому

      Yeah I mention about the stone washed jimping, I believe. And yes, for hard use or abuse, the shaman is much better. But if I need that I use a fixed blade. Use the right tool for the job, and all 😉

    • @D2G10
      @D2G10 Місяць тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives Fixed blade has it's use and place obviously, but there always is a folder knife in your pack if you're serious about bushcrafting or survival. And Shaman fits that role quite nicely. Yes, I agree, you should definitely use the right tool for the job ;)

  • @cordobadebear
    @cordobadebear 8 місяців тому +1

    Shaman is also way overpriced and not as slicey… I got one pm2, and it’s the lava flow in m4 with dlc and it absolutely rocks for me… never got shaman and never will, manix2 all the way… s30v before all the price hikes and with rain drop carbon scales, tuned to perfection, oh yeah… but the king is the endura4 in k390, absolute beast and everyday carry champ!

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  8 місяців тому

      Yeah I just wanted more slicyness like my PM2s. Loved the ergos though, but it's just not my knife. Those M4 PM2s are all so nice 👍

  • @MrBowser2012
    @MrBowser2012 2 роки тому +1

    I have the same issues with the shaman. If it weren’t a dlc blade, I’d take the nub and the gimping down with a small file. I still love the Shaman.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      Yes absolutely 💯
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @dougdottery1284
    @dougdottery1284 2 роки тому +2

    Oh brother. Take a ceramic rod and work on it and round off the sharpness. That's what I did.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      I still didn't think I'd like it as much as my PM2s, so I went ahead and passed it along as is; I figure the next owner can mod however they please
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @Aaron-ym4bf
    @Aaron-ym4bf 2 роки тому +1

    🤣🤣🤣the jimping is sharp 😂

  • @mikekinder5014
    @mikekinder5014 2 роки тому +4

    Gotta toughen those hands up bro...

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      But why change/improve myself when I could just whine and complain? 🤣
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @roscomcfarland204
    @roscomcfarland204 Рік тому +1

    Awesome giveaway man, I didn’t win, but still a great giveaway

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Hey thanks for the support! I was super excited about it too! Next one at 10k??!

  • @whoyou5272
    @whoyou5272 2 роки тому +1

    How much you selling it for?

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      That puppy is long gone, as I mentioned in the video
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @ReapersEDC
    @ReapersEDC 9 місяців тому +1

    Trades???

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  9 місяців тому

      No!!! Also I no longer own either of these...

    • @ReapersEDC
      @ReapersEDC 9 місяців тому

      @@NocturneKnives lmao dumb. Both of those knives are instant legends

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  9 місяців тому

      LMAO no doubt both good, I'm just not a Shaman guy. I own other PM2s but not this one in particular

    • @ReapersEDC
      @ReapersEDC 9 місяців тому

      @@NocturneKnives yea I noticed they hurt those soft hands. Stay blessed and happy

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  9 місяців тому

      @@ReapersEDC same to you thanks for watching 🙏

  • @latindoggy8059
    @latindoggy8059 2 місяці тому +1

    EASY MANIX 2 XL

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 місяці тому +1

      I have enjoyed that one the couple times I've handled one

  • @Crusty_Otter
    @Crusty_Otter 2 роки тому +2

    More annoying: constantly flicking it open through the ENTIRE video.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Thanks for the feedback. If it makes you feel better, you can flip a knife as you watch 😉
      Thanks for watching 🙏

    • @Crusty_Otter
      @Crusty_Otter 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives
      You misunderstood, sorry I wasn't clear: I was really trying to listen to what you were saying about the pros and cons of this particular knife because I just ordered the DLC version and I'm trying to gather all the information I can find so I know what to watch for. The constant flicking was seriously distracting my attention from the very valid points you were trying to make. I think I can slightly mod mine to eliminate the problem areas you mentioned without too much trouble - though I'll lose the DLC in those areas.
      To clarify, flicking it a few times to show the action is great but doing it constantly makes it hard to focus on what you're actually saying - which IS valuable input, it's just hard to watch.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      I gotcha! I legitimately do appreciated the feedback. Valid point and duly noted 👍

  • @DavidML777
    @DavidML777 Рік тому +1

    Holy geez my guy constant flicking and opening and closing of the knives, if you tone that down a bit maybe I'd get through a video

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Thanks for the note. You're more than welcome to leave from the get-go. I would never want anyone to sit through a video they didn't enjoy 👍

    • @DavidML777
      @DavidML777 Рік тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives I know, your video is entertaining enough, just not enough to keep me. good stuff

  • @MrSubter1
    @MrSubter1 Рік тому +1

    Baby thumb, poop baby.

  • @richardhenry1969
    @richardhenry1969 2 роки тому +1

    Way overpriced knives. Simple sandpaper could fix ever problem you claim. The shaman is a much better blade design for real use. The PM 2 used to love. Now that they want ridiculous prices for a knife that should cost $110.
    Think of this how can a Chinese company make a PM2 for $20 and still make money?
    First hear me out!
    The clone has unknown blade steel , and cheap screws. Yet the clone has G10 some have 9cr18mov.
    Now when spyderco was asking reasonable prices I didn’t think twice about a clone. Yet $170 or more because they have a different steel is insane.
    Have you noticed nobody is doing edge retention anymore. Mostly because there isn’t that much difference to warrant the high prices.
    I used to be one of those people brand and super steel. My grandfathers were both machinists. They told me I was being sucked then proved it to me. Both are gone now.
    I personally really like the shaman I just can’t justify the price. I have a pm2 and a clone pm2 . I use the clone more. It’s easy to sharpen and gets hair popping sharp easy. My other knife I abuse is a native 5 G10 in s35vn. It was a gift and I’ve never seen another knife like it. It is the most comfortable and best cutter I have.
    I also don’t understand wanting to fidget with a knife. I prefer lockback knives. Really I always have a coldsteel tri-ad on me. If I’m not carrying the broken skull in xhp I carry the native 5 that’s over 6 years old.
    Oh forgot to say the PM 2 a good design but the thin point really makes it a light to medium use. The broken skull is lighter more cutting area just a amazing knife that cost $50 when it was new.
    Anyway after all my ranting you’ll believe whatever your friends tell you. My advice don’t sell your shaman it’s a better knife if (God forbid) something happens. Better to have that thick drop point.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      If you watched my entire video, you would know I openly said it would be easy to mod the Shaman to get mostly fix the issues I mentioned. I personally prefer a thinner blade though, I'm not doing hard use.
      As far as costs go, there's so much more than material cost. You have R&D costs, higher build quality, a company that actually treats their employees well, and spyderco is well known for producing the best heat treatment in the production realm currently. Your ranting aside, I'll believe what the evidence says, both from my own use and comprehensive testing. And fwiw I already sold my Shaman, I prefer the PM2. Again, if you'd watched the entire video, you would know that.
      Anyway, thanks for watching 🙏 (even if it was only part of it)

    • @richardhenry1969
      @richardhenry1969 2 роки тому

      @@NocturneKnives can’t fix stupid

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Wise words, my friend. Wise words.

  • @BPF80MCar-vi1pg
    @BPF80MCar-vi1pg Рік тому +4

    The shaman is far better

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      I preferred the PM2 at this point, but I did just pickup a 15V Shaman and I'm going the full mod route on that one!

  • @edsaban572
    @edsaban572 2 роки тому +1

    Godam, the action sucks on all your Spyderco's. You need to make that drop shot. But yea, Shaman is one chubby sob.,

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      The Shaman was still in the break in period, as was my wharnie PM2. Currently it drops shut
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @ScottSimmons68
    @ScottSimmons68 4 місяці тому

    Why will guys spend hundreds doing mods to a knife that doesn't need anything but refuse to do minor mods that don't cost anything to make a good knife great? I don't get it

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  4 місяці тому

      Hey Scott thanks for watching 🙏
      I chose to extensively modify the PM2 because I really like it a lot. For the Shaman, you're correct, several of my complaints would be easy mods to fix. But I just don't like the knife as much as the PM2 and I knew that even with those mods I wouldn't keep it. I actually got another Shaman later on (15V version) and really modded the shit out of it. Even then, after making it the best version of the Shaman that I could imagine, I did not like it as much as the PM2. Hope this helps you understand a little.

    • @ScottSimmons68
      @ScottSimmons68 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@NocturneKnivesI'm not hating on you I have both and I like the pm 2 more also, I see guys on UA-cam spend 300 on scales and clips and whatnot on a 200 knife but scream the shaman isn't perfect, not you but a bunch of other reviewers, I just find it kinda funny, I do agree with that little nub, what is the point of that? Lol

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  4 місяці тому

      Yeah the nub is a bit perplexing... Have you checked out the Bodacious? It's a great combination of Shaman design language, PM2 thinness, and a full length cutting edge with no nub or choil. I really like mine

    • @ScottSimmons68
      @ScottSimmons68 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@NocturneKnivesI have and it's on the list, blew my wad for this month, REC exclusive para 3 lightweight, I own the shaman, manix2 and pm2 all rivers edge FDE green blade so I had to jump on the para 3 lightweight, they sell out in half a day, so In a month or so bodacious is on my radar

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  4 місяці тому

      @@ScottSimmons68 awesome dude sweet collection 🤠

  • @addictedtowarthunder4610
    @addictedtowarthunder4610 2 роки тому

    The jimping isn’t razor sharp atall lol couldn’t cut you unless your skin is paper thin and soft like a baby

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому +1

      I appreciate the wise words... "Razor sharp" was very obviously hyperbole, but I guess there's always someone who needs a little help understanding
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @gordonbombay6627
    @gordonbombay6627 2 роки тому +1

    But why sell a knife ever. I have around 400 or more now. I honestly can’t tell you how many I have. I guess that happens when you impulse buy knives and put them on a shelf. But never have I ever considered selling one. Just shelf it and do some general maintenance here and there.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Honestly not sure if this is satire...
      If not, most of us don't have unlimited funds for knives. I sell some knives to help buy others that I want more
      Thanks for watching 👍

    • @gordonbombay6627
      @gordonbombay6627 2 роки тому

      @@NocturneKnives im not sure satire is the word you are looking for. But any ways doesn’t make sense to me. It is like buying a gallon of milk and selling it when it’s halfway gone to help buy a gallon of chocolate milk.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      I'm somehow still not sure if you're serious or not...
      Just in case: again, I don't have unlimited funds for knives. Selling some knives helps me fund other knife purchases. That's how most people engage with the knife hobby. I'm glad to hear you can buy as many knives as you like and just keep them on a shelf. I also don't like having knives I don't use

    • @gordonbombay6627
      @gordonbombay6627 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives weird. So do you only have one plate, one bowl, one spoon and so on. Have one of all shapes sizes and makes. It’s a life king hobby there is no rush. Just save more money. You don’t need endless money to engage in a hobby. You need time. Looks like you have time. A knife you might like now might be your favorite knife a few years down the road. Then you’re buying it again and spending more money. Makes no sense. Also some knives arent for using. Such as most William henry knives. They are for special occasions. I have knives just for holidays. I have 4 or five of the same knives just because if I have them then someone else doesn’t. That’s why I buy striders when I see striders. I’ve been collecting for going on 15 years now. Some of my knives took me multiple payments to purchase. My 3500 dollar strider sng took me 4 months to pay off. But now I have it and someone else doesn’t have the chance. It’s perfect. This is why I have multiples. I have a closet just for my copies. One of the knives I almost sold (because I was being stupid) was a pm2 tanto exclusive through bhq. Well it didn’t have any branding on it. I hated that idea. But the more I thought about it I realized that I haves the only one of its kind. I called bhq and complained and they returned 100 to my card. So I got a one of a kind for 100 off.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Incredibly, it seems we might just have different preferences and desires when it comes to the knife hobby. There are lots of different knives I'm interested in. I can't buy them all. Waiting isn't really an option because there are always new interesting knives coming out at too fast a pace just to patiently acquire. It's nice that you have the ability and funds to buy without having to sell any; I'm happy to hear it.
      Your bowl/fork/spoon comparison doesn't really hold water, but regardless: I do have lots of knives in different shapes for different purposes. But I simply can't keep every single one.
      I absolutely recognize that some knives "aren't meant" to be carried and used, those knives don't appeal to me. I only like buying and keeping knives that I enjoy carrying and using

  • @chrisapperson1975
    @chrisapperson1975 2 роки тому +2

    Blasphemy sir.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Which part? 😂

    • @chrisapperson1975
      @chrisapperson1975 2 роки тому +1

      @@NocturneKnives I wouldn't get rid of any of them. I have multiples of both and they are both great knives in each is own special little way lol. The shaman is a beast of a blade. That blacked out warncliff pm2 you got is sick though.

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Yeah I totally feel you, but there are other knives I want more than multiple of the same knife. And the Shaman and PM2 were really going to fill the same role for me, so it made sense to only keep one
      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @frostedcupcakes2670
    @frostedcupcakes2670 2 роки тому

    Keep playing with it, keep using the action it will loosen up.
    You can shave that nub off it want…

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      You didn't actually watch the video then? I mentioned those things in the video, and had already sold it! I don't think I would like it as much as my PM2s even with the nub delete
      Thanks for watching 👍

  • @devilsadvocate783
    @devilsadvocate783 Місяць тому

    You have to be kidding

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Місяць тому

      Fax, no printer, my friend.

    • @devilsadvocate783
      @devilsadvocate783 Місяць тому

      We have established two things from this video. You have no printer and no testosterone!

  • @TheKamo1975
    @TheKamo1975 2 роки тому +1

    This guy mann 🤣 if you that much smart den make one better dim us

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  2 роки тому

      Not sure what you mean, friend...
      But thanks for watching 🙏

  • @tylerreis7627
    @tylerreis7627 Рік тому +4

    Didn’t think someone could be this wrong in a single video

    • @tylerreis7627
      @tylerreis7627 Рік тому +1

      Obviously a skill issue

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Lol thanks for the input 👍
      Any specific comments to share or just the one general comment?

    • @NocturneKnives
      @NocturneKnives  Рік тому

      Which? No way for anyone to tell which part of the video you're referencing 🙌

    • @SeanHavlik
      @SeanHavlik 3 місяці тому

      lol, I agree