Conlanging Case Study: Part 32 - Modal Affixes and Deciding on a Name

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  • @Tm00ne
    @Tm00ne Рік тому +74

    For Lexember: what about using UA-cam community tab? I don't check Twitter very often, but I would definitely like to see your new words in my UA-cam feed!

    • @gal749
      @gal749 Рік тому +2

      He said he won't use UA-cam as most of his audience aren't conlangers by now, so he wouldn't want to bother the non-conlangers with a community post every day.

  • @wolfgangalphamale1268
    @wolfgangalphamale1268 Рік тому +37

    I don't know in Italian, but in Spanish is just how you described it.
    So DEBER in the conditional is DEBERÍA (forgetting about the person thingis for a sec) which literary translates as I SHOULD something. It also gives a sense of it the actor actually not wanting the action to happen.
    Fun fact, this DEBERÍA is one of the few words that prohibit the use of the Spanish "if": SI. This does make it work like a modal verb in Spanish.
    Also we have QUERRÍA (conditional of QUERER, want in English). Functions in the same way, also prohibits "si" and it means "I would like/want to", but with the sense that tit won't happen, contradicting the actor's desires.
    If you would like to use a different conditional with these verbs, you have to use the Imperfect Subjunctive (DEBIERA, QUISIERA) and then you use SI. Ex: si quisiera, etc (If I liked it, etc.). This construction gives the sense that the speaker is judging the actor in a negative way (he says he wants something, but in reality he doesn't or acts as such).
    Finally, you can use the present with SI to have a neutral conditional. Ex: si quiero, etc. (If I want this, etc.)
    Hope this helps. Native Spanish speaker and fellow conlanger here

    • @talideon
      @talideon Рік тому +2

      French is more or less the same too. It seems to be common across the Romance languages.

    • @dragskcinnay3184
      @dragskcinnay3184 Рік тому +1

      @@talideon The main difference in French is that you use the indicative imperfect, instead of the subjunctive imperfect, in conditions, but otherwise it does work pretty much the same

  • @theorixlux2605
    @theorixlux2605 Рік тому +52

    For the community post: I say try it anyways. Maybe after a few days, list the new words and their fancy mechanics ya came up with recently.
    Why? Community posts don't kill channels. Yes, they can be annoying if spammed. But community posts have , in my experience, allowed me to see other side of people's channels /second channels/non youtube media. You might tick off one or two biosphere hardliners. But you are just as easily going to introduce in a novice friendly manner your conlang and it's series to hundreds of happy UA-cam eyeballs
    If you don't see marked uptick in views of old videos after two or three posts, you can say I'm wrong. But I will be not insignificantly surprised if that is the case.

  • @enelabe
    @enelabe Рік тому +8

    Can't wait for you to come back with the huge video!

  • @SachaCubesLatino
    @SachaCubesLatino Рік тому +17

    17:25 Romance languages do use a form of "to have to do/owe" in the condicional to say "should". I mean, even English kind of does it since "should" is just the past/subjunctive-like form of "shall" meaning "to owe".
    Spanish "deber" gives you "debería ver más videos de Biblaridion", for example.

  • @kala_asi
    @kala_asi Рік тому +14

    A young conlang stands in his bedroom. It just so happens that today, the 29th of November, 2022, is not quite this conlang's birthday (but its close enough). Though it was three years ago it was given life, it is only today it will be given a name!
    What will the name of this conlang be?
    > Enter name.

  • @teucer915
    @teucer915 Рік тому +5

    When this is all done, I really want a *synchronic* description of the language in its late form. I can't really keep track of all these principal parts and changes, but I love what they seem to be adding up to.

  • @ArturoStojanoff
    @ArturoStojanoff Рік тому +23

    What should WE, your viewers, call it? Taqvamiir or Tënqomiir? Are we insiders or outsiders?

    • @briansebor
      @briansebor Рік тому +19

      None of us speak this language, so we are definitely outsiders

  • @itisALWAYSR.A.
    @itisALWAYSR.A. Рік тому +14

    8:30 is irregular auxiliary so bad? Seeing the big tables of green forms sparked a lot of joy!

  • @filippo6157
    @filippo6157 Рік тому +7

    In italian the (sort of) debitative can be espressed with "deve", "must" (deve andare = he must go). If you put deve in the conditional, you get something like "would have to" and that is used for something that would be good/expected (dovrebbe andare = he should go/he'd better go/he is supposed to go).
    Also the (sort of) possibilitative is done with "può", "can/be able to/may" (può succedere = it can happen/it may happen) and putting that in the conditional just implies it's less likely.
    Also, I'd say absolutely yes to lexical community posts. You can drop the declension of the new noun (the forms for a verb) like every three/four days if you don't want to risk being excessive but I don't think people are gonna be that annoyed by it

  • @tannerpeterson6167
    @tannerpeterson6167 Рік тому +6

    Baby come back 😩

  • @evanswart480
    @evanswart480 Рік тому +3

    I think that if you’re trying to use a similar construction for the reflexive as for the reciprocal, you could use a converb of “to eat” e.g. “I wash myself” would be “I wash-DET eat-CONV”. I think it fits w/ the reciprocal construction

  • @UnshavenStatue
    @UnshavenStatue Рік тому +4

    Being only 4 minutes in, "all consonants can be geminated except 1" sounds exactly like the sort of oddball, nonsensical quirk which natlangs are rife with. I say go for it. (Or only geminating /m/, not /b/, is cool too.)

    • @melvinshaw7574
      @melvinshaw7574 Рік тому

      It's odd, but there is certainly precedent for it in the language's history, which is honestly the perk of using the diachronic method: you can justify easily odd design choices as something that evolved over the course of the language's development. I suspect at least one language somewhere has a similar phonological, though none come immediately to mind

    • @yeo4725
      @yeo4725 Рік тому +2

      @@melvinshaw7574 Serbo-Croatian adds /v/ (approximant, but I haven't IPA keyboard) in many clusters other consonants cannot get into, and most Slavic langs do the same with their /v/s

  • @user-lb9uy7yy2b
    @user-lb9uy7yy2b Рік тому +72

    Bogos Binted

  • @NoxaClimaxX
    @NoxaClimaxX Рік тому +13

    Anyone else notice that Biblaridion likes to use a “Vl” pattern for agentives?

  • @ArturoStojanoff
    @ArturoStojanoff Рік тому +5

    Just fyi, in Spanish "saber" means to know and to be able to but not to be familiar with, whereas "conocer" means to know and to be familiar with but not to be able to.

  • @iddqdfomin1593
    @iddqdfomin1593 Рік тому +2

    this totally made my day. thx bib!

  • @krzychukar676
    @krzychukar676 Рік тому +10

    31:45 you could also use your Discord server (along with Twitter) :>

    • @sulien6835
      @sulien6835 Рік тому +1

      How the heck did you comment this four days ago if the video only came out 44 seconds ago?

    • @krzychukar676
      @krzychukar676 Рік тому +9

      ​@@sulien6835 The Dark Side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

  • @DLWebb6245
    @DLWebb6245 Рік тому +1

    That was great. Loved to see a new video before Lexember, and you could use the Discord or maybe the youtube community tab? Just spouting ideas. But great to see a new video!!!!
    P.S. would miir affect the old word mi. I saw it on the chart under qu'a and wondered if that would cause confusion in similarity, but I might be wrong.😅😊

  • @Caffeinepirate-oc2hc
    @Caffeinepirate-oc2hc Рік тому +1

    Love this video. Love Tënqo-miir. Looking forward to 2023. Gj m8.

  • @junespoesy
    @junespoesy Рік тому +2

    Do you think gaming studios need conlangers for their fantasy games?

  • @talideon
    @talideon Рік тому +1

    Something that might work for the optative would be a verb meaning "to expect".

  • @doorhanger9317
    @doorhanger9317 11 місяців тому

    It's fascinating that just by changing that final verb to hoyqoon or hoyqoos, you can change the meaning to "i gather that the man will hopefully possibly need to -" and "i gather that the man hopefully possibly will have needed to-"

  • @ArturoStojanoff
    @ArturoStojanoff Рік тому +7

    Are you gonna add some allophonic rules to the vowels around the "q"? Because "höyqön" is really hard to say.

  • @Flavio06626
    @Flavio06626 Рік тому +3

    About the lexember words, you could post a youtube short every day to showcase them, if this doesn't take too much time and work from you.

  • @Yachid
    @Yachid Рік тому +3

    (?) iz all well/good;
    (?) iz thiz series still active

  • @PelleReimers
    @PelleReimers Рік тому +1

    5:10 Lord of the Auxiliary: Fellowship of the Verb

  • @ethanpatel3622
    @ethanpatel3622 Рік тому +3

    It’s been 8 excruciating months since we last saw spec evo

  • @GoofballGorgon
    @GoofballGorgon Рік тому +2

    By the way, you could've kept "ox" for the older sentences, if the culture lives near musk oxen. Granted, you'd have needed a word for musk.

  • @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410
    @wilhelmseleorningcniht9410 Рік тому +1

    I'd be perfectly happy with a daily community post, honestly. I'd prefer that over anything else, as I'm not in the habit of following creators on platforms other than the one I interact with their stuff, and community posts can also just be safely ignored if somebody doesn't want to engage. That's fine.
    People have all sorts of subscriptions, channels they follow and whatnot, community posts even daily are just going to be a drop in the bucket, no worry I think.

  • @Kaeloo398
    @Kaeloo398 Рік тому +2

    Nice video 💪😍💪

  • @hahafunnyname
    @hahafunnyname Рік тому

    Can't wait for the new alien biospheres episode!

  • @ATOM-vv3xu
    @ATOM-vv3xu Рік тому +1

    it's been some time, when next vid?

  • @wallacehoye8175
    @wallacehoye8175 Рік тому

    I can’t wait for pt 14

  • @bustavonnutz
    @bustavonnutz Рік тому

    You naming it "Miir" makes me think of the "Mer" from Elder Scrolls; crazy language, it kinda reminds me of Mongolian in a weird way.

  • @goobertsnoobert9015
    @goobertsnoobert9015 9 місяців тому

    16:57 French does something very similar with “devrais” conjugated from devoir

  • @tiradeepinthewild
    @tiradeepinthewild Рік тому +5

    Ooo i never enjoyed these too much but their always educational and they are quite interesting to see

  • @rocketterrier
    @rocketterrier Рік тому +3

    49 SECONDS AGO?? I FEEL SO LUCKY

  • @MrPuncher
    @MrPuncher Рік тому +2

    Less go

  • @ndricimballiu3612
    @ndricimballiu3612 Рік тому

    Any idea or sufgestion on: How can I do the romanisation of VELARISED Consonats(s, d, t, l)???
    Also how can I type on my phone the "o" with a macron over?

    • @NoxaClimaxX
      @NoxaClimaxX Рік тому

      If you’re on iPhone, hold down the “o” key and you’ll see diacritic options.
      As for velarization: maybe do what Irish does and use a back vowel? Or maybe use the letter “g” as part of a digraph in a similar vein to “ng”.

    • @BeneathTheBrightSky
      @BeneathTheBrightSky Рік тому

      I would follow it up with x, so sx, dx, tx, lx. In English x makes the /ks/ sound and in the IPA its /x/, both are velar. Also I think it looks cool :)

  • @DedYefremiy
    @DedYefremiy Рік тому

    I actually think that those people would try to make the outsiders refer to the language as "Aarqa-miir" - "their language", instead of "our language" or "our and your language"

  • @chefzombie1237
    @chefzombie1237 Рік тому

    If intelligent life ever became a thing it in the alien biospheres series it would be awesome if you used this language for it.

  • @AndrzejGieraltCreative
    @AndrzejGieraltCreative Рік тому

    Twitter sounds like a great place to post new words.

  • @user-db9jd7pu3c
    @user-db9jd7pu3c Рік тому

    Life in deep ocean

  • @NikodAnimations
    @NikodAnimations Рік тому

    What software do you use?

  • @powdertoyguy
    @powdertoyguy Рік тому

    where new vid

  • @evanwatling3897
    @evanwatling3897 Рік тому

    New refugium video please 😭 I need answers

  • @cormachaha8365
    @cormachaha8365 Рік тому +2

    Where's ALIEN BIOSPHERE part 14

  • @powdertoyguy
    @powdertoyguy Рік тому

    Funny stuff

  • @dionis5598
    @dionis5598 Рік тому

    pքɾօʍօʂʍ

  • @Kaeloo398
    @Kaeloo398 Рік тому +4

    Give me your laptop and wifi

  • @leonardobraga9185
    @leonardobraga9185 Рік тому

    Aliens biosferes

  • @Ptaku93
    @Ptaku93 Рік тому +2

    "happy festive period" is such a cringe underwhelming sentence

  • @purplemosasaurus5987
    @purplemosasaurus5987 Рік тому +2

    Random Fact: "Asian" in IPA is [eɪ ʒən]

  • @Yachid
    @Yachid Рік тому +2

    (?) iz all well/good;
    (?) iz thiz series still active