Yo Qaaman, let me run something by you lol If Raditz never came to earth, then Nappa and Vegeta wouldn’t have known about the dragonballs and they wouldn’t have come to earth. If Nappa and Vegeta never came to earth, Piccolo wouldn’t have died and they wouldn’t need to go to Namek. If they never went to Namek, they would’ve never met Frieza and Goku wouldn’t have turned into a super saiyan. If Goku wasn’t a super saiyan, he wouldn’t stand a chance against the androids…so that’s why Raditz is the savior of Earth. Thoughts?
@@jaysolo23 it’s possible he was killed alongside the Z- Warriors as he would most likely make a last ditch effort to stop the androids after the Z- Warriors were taken out.
In the history of trunks special which is same in the cell and the hot timeline it is shown that Roshi puar and oolong are still alive along with ox king and chichi
I dunno theres a chance that earth was destroyed aswell. Given the way future trunks' timeline went too(in DBS) i think eventually Babidi and Dabura(they are out there looking for Boo who is on earth) got to earth and wouldve been able to awaken Boo uncontested by anyone but the Kaioshin. Dabura could take him so my guess is they made it to og timeline earth eventually and it was destroyed by them or Boo. Bulma obviously perished. But Thats just my guess on a possibility.
Disclaimer: the HOT timeline is where goku black arc takes place. Quaaman’s line saying the earth is doomed if someone who is stronger than trunks was far truer than he ever thought
No they were destroyed in the Original Timeline, we don't know what happens after trunks and the Z warriors fight androids 18 and 19, for all we know it went down the exact same way as the timeline we see
@@jaysolo23 his theory is all wrong.. Future Trunkz and Perfect Cell both changed the timeline as they time travelled to the past and took part in the chain of events that shouldn't have supposed to have happened.. Future Trunkz went back to his current timeline to realise it hasn't changed as Android17 and Android18 are still alive.. 1. Future Trunkz timeline is the original timeline that got destroyed by Reno.. 2. Alternate Timeline is where Perfect Cell is from.. 3. NEW Alternate Timeline accidently created by Future Trunkz and Perfect Cell where everyone is alive and well.. 4. Brand NEW Timeline is where Whis sent Future Trunkz and Future Mai too
@@deansmith9914 Are you saying the Trunks that help beat Cell is the same future Trunks that gets attacked by Goku Black? It can't be. Because the timeline we see in the anime that has the cells games. Then goes into dragonball Super Mai, the fox and garlic jr turn young using the dragonballs. Only for Mai to grow older with child Trunks. So if you think the original timeline Zeno destroyed it would not have Mai and Trunks together. Not to mention in the original time line before time travel happened. All the Z fighters were killed. So there would be no Goku black. Also there is no dragnballs with Picalo killed so Mai will not be younger. And would be much older then Trunks. For the sake of it lets say she's the same age as Goku. Which dont seem that bad. Until you realise Sayins grow old much slower then humans. So Mai would be old enough to be Trunk's mum.
I don't know if you are gonna see this! I'm watching this ALMOST 7 years later and I want to say that's is probably this best video I've seen in my life! That's an amazing video and your work you've put in is UNREAL! Thanks a lot man!
Man, this video revolutionized the dbz fandom. This was the biggest video back then because it brought so much logic to a fandom that was.. logically challenged.
+Dax Corsiar (Weeaboo) It's even worst for me in my head canon I have to deal with 7 or 8 different timelines 5 from Future Trunks, 1 from Future Pan, 1 from an alternate universe of Pan and Bulla, and another one for a genderbend universe, and another one where one of Frieza's race killed Frieza before Frieza blew up the planet namek and a newer version of Cell created by an alternate timeline Dr. Gero who holds the Cell Games 2 and decided to fight Pan into he had a Change of heart and decided to return to his timeline to killed Dr. Gero.
In real life, time is just an illusion of light, gravity, speed and relativity. You can travel to the future if you fly a very fast spaceship away from Earth and back to it, but travel to the past is impossible according to physics as we understand it.
Think of it like the flash, if you change history there is a new timeline created based on what you change...it doesnt erase the current one with the one you didnt change, it only adds a alternate version of the original one
lmao why u defend a guy that is ashamed of himself and wanting to be another race? Just because he like the same gay cartoon shit as you? Fucking children
I can believe that the HoT androids killed the time traveling Cell. The HoT androids may have been weaker than the main androids, but they were much more vicious. They weren’t strangers to fighting dirty, often grouping up on opponents in a 2v1 battle, unlike the main androids that seemed to prefer 1v1 matchups. I can see imperfect cell having trouble subduing the both of them, even though they’re weaker.
The problem is that cell literally took no damage from both Kami-piccolo and a stronger 17 fighting him at once, i personally belive that time traveling cell got killed in larval state
@@Ealais76 That was imperfect Cell after absorbing thousands of people. He was much weaker than kami-piccolo when he first appeared and only got stronger after the z-fighters spent a quarter of the arc trying to hunt him down so he would stop absorbing people. In the future, there are hardly any humans left to absorb.
I’ve always loved this video. The concept of Cell was great for a villain, but his backstory created a lot of plot holes for the show, which complicates the Android saga.
@@QaamansLand I doubt that it can surpass the original video as it was fantastic in every regard , Your narration, Sense to explain rules and plot holes , Choice of OST and video clips that are overlayed etc . Only reason to remake is if you want to consider Dragon Ball Super as legitimate continuation to DB/DBZ , in which case , it adds 3 more timelines. I honestly hate Super as it brought down seriousness and awesomeness of the show but love Black Arc (Manga Only)
+Nephenon well it does change things a bit considering that Mai is his girlfriend i believe and youll have to figure out how was her age is possible for them to be together and how they even got together which has not been explained
+Nephenon thats why it could possibly change the timelines in fact i thought of ways they could actually create a new timeline because of this. im not saying that is the case but because of this new arc the timlines may need to be refined a bit.
+Morning Glory95 Wouldn't there be 6 timelines if bojack inbound occurs in age 767? In the hot timeline 3 years pass between Trunks defeating the androids and cell and therefore Trunks going back to 767 would spawn a new timeline because the main timeline would now be in age 770.
Bah time travel who knows but you guys may be right very right. And that's not even considering the times when Bardock accidentally goes back in time or when Trunks visits the past in SD. Or even when any of the previous Kaioshin went back, creating that big no time travel rule in the first place.
In my honest opinion, this is Qaaman's best video even after 8 years. No disrespect to his current work AT ALL. This video is just THAT good and it holds nostalgic value to me as well. Now that Dragon Ball Super has happened this video could probably be redone and updated due to the retcons and changes Super introduced. Also on a side note: I cannot listen to Solid State Scouter and not hear Qaaman's voice explaining something in the background of it. I don't know if any Dragonball UA-camr has made a song from the series as synonymous with their channel as Qaaman has with Solid State Scouter. Iconic.
This is honestly one of my favorite topics on Dragon Ball lol, everyone be confused asf. It's honestly an easy concept to grasp for me but I see why others find it difficult.
This makes the most sense, or cell accidentally hits something in the time machine without knowing and changes the year trunks was originally gonna travel too.
The second plothole you pointed could not be a plot hole. See, I think that trunks was setting the time in the timemachine, where he wanted to go but as he was navigating AGE 760....761....763....763 Cell showed up and trunks could not enter his intended timeline on the timemachine and got killed by cell. So cell entered the time machine and pressed the button and went to age 763. Does this make Sense?
No not at all i was able to grab the concept of how all this work just by watching the show and when cell trunks and piccolo explain things. its not that hard to grab how the concept works lol
Not at all. I knew most of the content in detail by following the series doing my own research for years. Was happy to see someone put the hardwork in such a video and analyse all of that stuff in a video
it doesn't make sens, because it's wrong. According to his theory, in the called 'Hot Time Line' there will be 2 Cells, one coming from the 'Main Time Line' and the second is in the 'Hot Time Line', but in the story of Trunks, when he returned to his time line aka Hot Time Line he only destroyed 1 Cell.
TK The Beyonder Yeah that's why its a plothole, genius, did you read what I wrote?? That's not a fault of his theory, his theory does a pretty neat job explaining all the important events of all the timelines and the logic is pretty rigid internally,.... but sometimes in DBZ, no matter how good the theory is, there are always a couple of plotholes. One of those plotholes is what you're saying (one CELL only being killed), the other according to fan theory, got killed by the androids for showing up prematurely(the androids never talk about it).period. That makes sense now.
This makes so much sense. I was racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell did cell make his way to the main timeline from a completely different set of timelines that didn't really interact. But you pieced it together and explained it pretty well. This is very digestible too tbh. Your timeline map really helped alot otherwise these explanations would be just too abstract to grasp.
Qaamans Land looks like you will be needing to update this timeline here Qaaman because i am about to break some GT fans hearts. Ok after going through Xenoverse Trunks explains that GT trunks is another copy of him right? We both know this information, now i know people are going to try to discredit me because the context is from a video game, however the idea exists within the core of Dragonball lore. either way it's okay but you can't discredit the logic here, in the video Quaaman shows the results of when you use a time machine. You create alternate timelines, now whether you agree on his timeline is another thing but in my opinion it makes sense. So taking Qaaman's timeline, and Qaamans Land you can use this information however you would like. i have been trying to figure out for years how in the world you can take Dragonball GT and prove that it's an alternate timeline from the main-story. i use to think GT and Fusion Reborn was of the same timeline, however the shadow dragons prevented that, It's a long story. Anyways prepare yourselves for this, because when Trunks went back to his timeline he created another timeline that is post cell games where everything happened in the the other timeline where Future Trunks left at. the exceptions that i can only find is that of GT's existence that's it and Dende for some ungodly reason not having healing powers in Age 788.
the other exceptions to the timeline are that BoG and Fukkastu no F did not occur, depending on how Toei and Akira Toriyama create Dragonball Super it's possible the last episodes 274, 275, and 276 are exclusive to the GT timeline. however i'd like to think that wasn't the case. we will get confirmation on this when dbz kai is finished. (looking at it currently it appears to end with Kid buu's defeat.. interesting)
Nathan Davies The fan solution stating that the Androids killed Cell in a battle during the HOT timeline is ridiculous simply because he is stronger than them (why weren't they able to kill him in the main timeline) HOWEVER my theory is: There was two Cells in the Hot timeline. there was the Future cell hiding and there was the Fetus cell developing. So my theory is that the Androids killed Future cell unintentionally while he was in the SHELL hiding because they'd been doing a lot of destruction in the HOT timeline which means that later, Trunks killed the Fetus cell who had luckily developed and survived the Androids rampage. This is more logical.
Another TL had to be made it Zamasu was able to take Goku's body in one of the alternate TLs. And that alternate TL had a similar outcome as the original DBS TL. (Man that was difficult to think of lol)
I think it's somewhat impossible to make sense to super events. I have no idea how Zamazu was able to jump to another timeline. Travelling past creates new timeline or you "jump" from timeline to another (those "links" timemachine creates). Travelling to future either travels on same timeline or uses those links. When Zamazu travelled in future i believe he should had only travelled on his timeline - i have no idea how he jumped from timeline to another. Sure, he could find that link - but how did he know that link existed and how did he jump to that exact link? See video above.. there are multiple links already. Not only Zamazu travelled from his timeline to future Trunks's timeline BUT Kais followed him!?!?!?!? HOW!?!?!? Can you somehow track powerlevels? Did they just sense that someone used that exact link between timelines??? It is quite impossible to make sense in that.
Over the years I’ve watched this a bunch of times and always find this video so interesting. Would love to see a remastered version where you include super into the timelines!
I haven't been back to this video in a looong time, it definitely deserves more viewers with the amount of work in this video. I know this video is 8 years old, but I believe there is a way to fix the whole Cell problem in this video down below. Cell goes back into the past of the alternate timeline that was already created by Trunks from Timeline 1, thus creating an alternate timeline that branches from it. And of course, Future Trunks would also arrive 3 years later because he is a part of its history.
Bro, what if I told you that this video 8 years ago not only introduced me to your channel and got me subscribe, but got me interested in Dragon Ball again after I had moved onto other things at the time? This is by far still one of if not THE best Dragon Ball fan theory vids on UA-cam.
Actually, I don't think they had to deal with Cell. However, it turns out that they actually manage to survive up until Goku was a radish farmer. Then, Black or that Zamasu kills Goku and then goes to Future Trunks's timeline and then joins up with that timeline's Zamasu who then becomes immortal.
Let me offer an "Occams Razor" explanation for why the Time Machine was set to 763 when Cell stole it from Trunks: We can see that Trunks was just preparing to climb into the machine as Cell came up on him. It's entirely possible (and the simplest answer) that Trunks hadn't yet punched in his intended destination of 767. It might just be the case that each digit is entered manually (push a button to increase number, 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 etc.) and Trunks had only reached the age "763," when Cell ambushed him and killed him. And not knowing how to program the machine, himself, Cell just hopped in the machine and let it do its thing.
I have a question, so there are Two Cells in Hot timeline? But we saw Trunks only killed one after kills Android right? And Cell that Trunks kill is Cell from the future or Cell in that Hot timeline?
@@Odinshort23 trunks kills the cell that traveled from the original timeline (the one that buried in the ground) but he probably killed the other cell in gero's lab after seeing it in the main timeline
@@Odinshort23 Tbh I don't really agree with the explanation given in the video. To my interpretation, the Cell from Timeline 1 ended up in the main timeline. The HOT Timeline had only one Cell, and only diverged from the original timeline because Trunks traveled to the main timeline. It's easier when you think of the timelines as alternate universes.
Am I alone in that I understand his explanation perfectly? After his explanation I can wrap four timelines and five Cells around in my head and admit that the time travel cell in the H.o.T. timeline is a problem. The way I see it is that either he was too weak when he fought 17 and 18 and was killed by their combined efforts or 16 existed in this timeline and he defeated Cell but was destroyed/too badly damaged afterwards.
+Greg Jones The fifth Cell, i.e. the main cell, is indeed a duplicate of the original timeline Cell and thus has that Cell's memory of the Unaltered timeline.
25:00 First plothole means there is FIVE timlines not four. there is one more timeline before oryginal timeline in vid. 1. First lane - goku died, trunks back in time but failed (maybe go without medicine?) and created line with same history as his, didnt find out how defeat androids who killed him. cell didnt use timemachine but stay in future without trunks, reaching his perfect form - everybody died. 2. Failed line (oryginal in vid but with timetraveler) - goku died, trunks back in time and created unseen line in vid, ending killed by cell who knows about timtraveler and cell go back in time to 4th timeline - almost everybody died. 3. Unseen timeline in vid - trunks know about cell and destroy lab with him. So there is no cell - happy timeline until buu who kiled everybody because goku didnt achive ssj3 - everybody died. 4. Future trunks line we know from dbs (HOT in vid) - almost everybody died. 5. Changed time line from dbz - the golden winner - everybody live! This is only explanation. And there is no first plothole then! And there is even 4 rings in dbs. All created by timemachine. :p No wonder zamasu was furious at trunks for messing with time and chronoa from dbh punished him :p trunks you bad boy...
Dasavien Dennison watch future gohan vs goku black it's an awesome sprite animation (but seeing as this was a yr ago you probably seen it maybe) but they added their own common sense to the timeline of if trunks died instead
flagwaver100 couldn't be. I say this because the trunks that we see in super is from the hot timeline. Goku Black is from another timeline. He just went to future trunks timeline because there was no God of Destruction/Beerus to challenge him.
it’s been 10 years since this video was released… wow! this was my first time ever trying to understand dragon ball logic like 5 youtube accounts ago😭 Qaaman is the GOAT
@@QaamansLand man i’ve been subbed to you for years on multiple youtube accounts and this was probably my first ever video, i didn’t know it was 10 years old tho, i just turned 20 last week😭
Good job!!!! I was puzzled by all the timeline shits when I selectively picked fight scenes to watch. However, I understood the 4 timelines in cell arc now thanks to you!
i’m not gonna lie i’ve watched this vid every night for like 3 weeks now. i learn something new each time and helps me sleep 😭 wake up and hear something new crazy how old this is. if we get a super-updated version this will be three hours long
For those of you who are not convinced that there are 5 Cells, consider the following: You have a machine that can duplicate anything that you want to. You have 3 baskets, each one containing an orange. You take one orange from basket no.1 and put it in no.2. So, basket no.1 is empty, no.2 has two oranges, and no.3 has one. Now, you duplicate basket no.2. Now we have 4 baskets. No.1 is empty, no.2 has two oranges, no.3 has one, and the new no.4 has two. Think of basket no.1 as the Original Timeline. The Cell (orange) from this timeline (basket) traveled to the HoT Timeline (basket no.2), where there is already another Cell (the orange that was already there). The HoT Timeline (basket no.2) was duplicated when Trunks traveled to this timeline, creating the Main Timeline (basket no.4), where, just like HoT Timeline (basket no.2) is two Cells (oranges). Basket no.3 is just the Unseen Timeline. So, there are now 5 Cells....or oranges...whatever...
Hrit Roy no, there are definitely 4. why would the timeline duplicate? it makes no sense. there is one cell from the original timeline who travels to the main timeline meaning there are two cells in the main timeline: foetus cell and future cell. there is also one in the HOT timeline and none from anywhere else meaning 3 in total so far. also there has to be one in the unseen timeline therefore there are 4 in total as another cell was not in the unseen timeline because otherwise trunks wouldve trained and been able to defeat the cell from his own timeline
i say that it was created when trunks died in the original timeline. I have a theory that the original timeline and the HOT timeline are the exact same up until trunks dies by cell
xExotiC xB34ST So, Trunks dying, created a whole new timeline? Then there must be another timeline which was created when Cell killed Trunks in the main timeline...
yes but these timelines do not cross over and we cant make any accurate theories on them. its just another one of those "what if goku never hit his head" things in what you're saying but how i look at it, this makes more sense than what qaaman had proposed as otherwise he creates the plot hole of the other cell in trunks' timeline and also he hadnt explained where the main cell came from to be in the main timeline therefore what i propose solves these 2 problems
Fantastic job Quaaman. I have to say, this video is inspirational. I am writing a novel about time travelling and this video made me realise how to look at it with a different perspective. If I ever publish it, I put you in the special thanks. One of the best and most useful videos for me. Thanks again. ;-)
You made a mistake the cell that returned from the original timeline didnt go back to the HoT timeline, (he is also never seen there anyway which further proves my point), but he only returned to our known timeline which we are currently in (where the cell games and stuff happens) .
He did travel to the HoT timeline, we just didn't see him because he was killed by the Androids during his failed ambush (presumably because he underestimated their strength, he can't sense their power levels) In the main timeline however, he *had* to become stronger beforehand since Kamiccolo was a major obstacle between him and the Androids.
I wonder if you'll do a follow-up on this video since the goku black arc had a lot of time travel shenanigans too. It'll be interesting to compare and contrast your interpretation vs plague of gripes's.
@@XxMobileWizXx that makes sense. The z warriors knew that A13-15 were Dr Gero creation. Which means they already ran into 17-18. And since all of the z warrior including a cured Goku, were relaxing and Trunks was with them(at the mall) and not fighting or tracking down 17, and 18, this tells us they are no longer a threat, which means they defeated them already and the world is at peace(as there would be no knowledge of Cell yet). This would probably be right before Trunks goes back to his time(Cell’s timeline/3) to defeat the androids there. Unfortunately this means that the Trunks that we see in The Super Android 13 movie, is the same Trunks from timeline 3, which also means that this Trunks will die when he goes back by Cell’s hands and his time machine will get taken. This also means that this timeline predates timeline 1(Main) and timeline 2(Future Trunks)
@@jayfrost5794 Wow, this was so long ago I didn't remember any of the context of this. Time flies... I just had the "oh shit, true" moment too just because I went back and listened
I don't think cell ever went to the hot timeline. He just went directly to the main timeline. In the hot timeline he was just born years later and killed by trunks.
Nah he had to have travelled to the hot timeline. if he went straight to the main timeline then there would be no need for the hot timeline to exist because it was created in the first place when cell stole the time machine. without the hot timeline, there would be no trunks to go to the main timeline and warn goku about the androids :)
Omar Shariff ok...but what does cell being there have to do with anything? without him the androids would STILL kill everybody and leave trunks to go back in time... and i can't believe either of the theories that cell either wandered around for 25 years or killed by the androids because he was stronger than them
I get what you're saying but you have to think of it as sort of a paradox...say if cell kills trunks and goes back in time to the 'main timeline', it wouldn't be the same main timeline we know because trunks hasn't gone back in time. That means the events of the hot timeline would unfold because the z fighters wouldn't have trained to fight 17 and 18. that results in trunks going back in time and creating another timeline - which is the actual main timeline we know...rather than referring to them as being different timelines it's easier to think of cell just 'going back in time'...if you think about it like that there's no way that only one timeline can be created. hope that makes sense...damn this is fucking with my brain :/
+Omar Shariff I think it was Qaam that messed up man he said there were 5 cells that wouldn't make sense there are only 4 timelines so only 4 cells he is assuming that the Trunks in the unseen timeline killed cell but remember when the unseen Trunks saw cell he was surprised and shocked which means I don't think he ever blew up the lab I think it went BLUE > survives to to YELLOW killed by F.Trunks YELLOW > Killed by androids replaced by BLUE GREEN > Goes to RED killed by SSJ2Gohan RED > Was killed by Trunk and Krillin during Gero lab raid replaced by GREEN that's 4 timelines 4 cells
+Dx Reaper (JSRF) Trunks1 goes back to 764, creating the unseen timeline 2, destroys lab(laboratory basement), gets plans for remote, Bulma2 creates remote, trunks goes back to timeline 1, "deactivates" androids. in 788 Cell1 kills Trunks1 and then goes back to 763, creating a timeline where Cell1 went to the past instead of Trunks, Thus the History of Trunks Timeline is created(Timeline3), Trunks3 goes back to age 764, which created a Timeline where both Cell1 and Trunks3 both exist(Main Timeline), Android saga, Cell Saga, Trunks3 returns and "Kills" androids, age 788 Cell3 attacks Trunks3, similar to Timeline1, Trunks3 Kills Cell3. There would have had to have been 5 Cell's trip to the past is what created Trunks3, who killed the androids, unlike Trunks1 who used the remote to deactivate them. Cell1 would have had to exist in the main timeline and Trunks3's Timeline.
As an engineer, i really think this is the only explanation that doesn't have logic flaws, reason for which i want to congratulate you. Not even Toriyama knew how the system worked, and that's why there are some plot holes. The only plot hole i consider relevant and can't find solution for is the fact that Imperfect Cell (from Original TL) in Main TL states that Frieza cells were extracted just prior to being killed by Trunks in age 764, and that if Dr Gero wanted he could have used Trunks' Cells (although he didn't want). The thing is that Cell (from the Original TL) couldn't ever possibly be created with Trunks' Cells even if Dr. Gero wanted, because Trunks wasn't even born in year 764 (fight with Mecha Frieza) and no Trunks arrived to that Original TL. Besides, in that timeline, as you well said, Goku was the one who killed Mecha Frieza due to Trunks non-existence. The other 2 are easy to vaguely justify (in HOT timeline, Original TL Cell was killed by the Androids) and the year 763 time-travelling set up could simply be due to the time machine not being yet set up correcly as Cell interrumpted the operation.
I agree with all of it except for the end. I dont think Cell interrupted Trunks while he was placing the destination. I think Trunk had intended to go to that year on purpose. It was known in DBZ that if Trunks knew where Gero’s lab was, he would be going there instead of warning the Z Warriors. The Trunks from Cell timeline, at that time knew where it was because he found the blueprints of the androids in the past. I believe that this Trunks wanted to save another timeline by eliminating the threat before it could even happen, and now that he had the knowledge he could very well do it.
Ik this is old but its possible cell didn't know what happened in his original timeline & just observed it when it went back to the past. So he thought it would be the same for his timeline too.
also what many people don't realize is, when bulma sent trunks back in time, they actually thought that their timeline could change at the time. But when trunks went back to his future after defeating frieza and giving goku the medicine, that's when they realized there timeline wouldn't reap the benefits from trunks changing history in the past.
That would also explain why would Cell be extra careful in the dbz timelime. Once he realizes he's sharing a timeline with future trunks, he would know he had failed at least once already. Of course he got careless when he achieved his perfect form as his objective had been already accomplished.
Great video... I've seen it 5 times and find something new everytime. Great job! You are a true DBZ GURU. You forgot timeline 6 the Chrono Trigger Timeline. That's actually the story Trunks trying to kill Cell aka Lavos. There's Bulma known as Lucca, Frog as Piccolo, an Android known as Robo, Vegeta as Magus... You get the joke lol
ADJUSTMENT TO TIMELINES // PLOT HOLES EXPLAINED First, before getting into my timelines explanation, I want to thank you largely for this video, as it helped me greatly in piecing together the puzzle My timelines are essentially the same as yours, but with a little twist to take care of the plot holes ... First, Cell in the “main timeline” said to Piccolo that Trunks killed Frieza ... so that means the Cell from the “main timeline” came from the “unseen Timeline”, NOT the “original Timeline” How this happened? While all is speculation, the most obvious answer is that a Time Machine can just as easily be made in the “unseen Timeline”, especially since Bulma and the others already know it can be done from seeing Future Trunks ... then the Trunks that is killed by Cell is the Trunks that grew up from a baby, NOT Future Trunks from the “original Timeline” The beauty of all the above is that we can actually scrap the term “unseen Timeline” and instead have 1) the original Timeline, 2) Cell’s timeline (beforehand thought to be “unseen”), 3) History of Trunks [HOT] Timeline, and 4) The main Timeline The coordinates were set to Age 763, as Cell claimed to just push the button ... perhaps there was a good reason for the all-grown-up-Trunks from the “unseen Timeline” (...known in my theory as Cell’s Timeline) to make a trip back to 763, whether it was a new threat or whatever Finally, one may say there is one glaring error in this theory, which is what happens to Future Trunks from the “original Timeline” in regards to Cell showing up ... 1) either Trunks defeats him, which is highly unlikely from all we know, or 2) Cell kills Future Trunks also in the “original Timeline”, wants to go find the androids to become “perfect” and just “presses the button” in the Time Machine, but this Time Machine would be set to Age 767 or sometime thereafter, perhaps with Future Trunks actually planning to tell the Z Fighters that he deactivated the androids in his time, and this Cell would just be going to the “unseen Timeline” just as Future Trunks would have ... given the Cell larval stage and approximate 4 years needed to mature, the Z Fighters could have defeated this Cell in the “unseen Timeline” (AKA my “Cell Timeline”) around Age 771, as they would have been far stronger than his “Imperfect” self and the androids would have been long gone ... the assumption here though is that the Z Fighters would have killed him without getting a backstory from him, perhaps right after he sucked up an entire city (Piccolo did try to eliminate Cell in the “main Timeline” before he was able to get the backstory) ... without knowing the backstory, then the all-grown-up-Trunks would still be susceptible to being attacked and killed by the Cell still growing in Dr Gero’s underground lab in Age 788 ... Let me know thoughts or if anything in the show directly conflicts with my theory above ... One more cool thing from all the above in terms of what the futures look like in the 4 different timelines ... one timeline would have no heroes left (original Timeline) ... one timeline would have all the heroes left minus Trunks (“unseen Timeline” which is my Cell Timeline) ... one timeline would have no heroes left except for Trunks (HOT Timeline) ... and one timeline would have all the heroes left (main Timeline)
You made a plot hole yourself because everytime a time traveller always goes back in time they do the same thing meaning that a Future Trunks would of went into the History of trunks timeline so its about to be a paradox
If Cell were to return in Super it could be the one that was implied but not confirmed to have died, the plothole one, or possibly from a new unexplored timeline maybe tieing in with the Goku Black arc. As for his powerup to remain relevant and his knowledge of how strong everyone is now and how a different version of him was defeated would be difficult to reasonably explain
Even that fan theory doesn’t hold up, because (at least in the anime) Trunks remarks that the androids they were facing were somehow stronger than the ones in his timeline. And cell was far above them both, so there is no way that they could’ve defeated him in an ambush. It’s bound to happen when you mess with time travel narratively, it’s really hard to avoid inconsistencies Great vid, definitely cleared some things up!
There ARE 5 cells #1. Killed by gohan during cell games #2. Possibly killed by trunks in larva form after finding artificial human's blueprints. #3. Possibly killed by artificial humans in attempt to absorb them. #4. Killed by trunks in failed ambush. #5. Killed by trunks and kuririn while destroying dr. gero's lab.
one mistake,cell never went into the HOT timeline,it was that timeline's version of cell,it was so far in the future that he finished developing,cell went to the main timeline only,and not the HOT timeline
+Qaaman's Land it's just you placed cell going back in time taking him into the HOT timeline ,when he went only into the main timeline ,I know you needed the HOT timeline to be over the main timeline,for trunk's time travel to make since ,but still cell never went from his timeline into the HOT timeline, he went directly into the main timeline ,and the HOT cell was born ,or should I say created in that timeline
+Scrimshaw “the” Avenger Interesting. So who did actually create HOT timeline since it's separated from original timeline/dead FT timeline. Did they fill this 'plothole' with Black or just leave it as a plothole?
+Scrimshaw “the” Avenger makes sense for them to try and fix the plotholes I mean there are 4 alternate timelin e rings and 3 alternate timelines plus the main timeline so number 4 could have to do with the current story
I'm sitting here thinking, "Damn, what a nerd to have made a 43 minute video on Dragon Ball timelines." But then I realize, I'm watching a 43 minute video on Dragon Ball timelines. Haha I'm a nerd too.
Great video, but there is one mistake. Cell from the original timeline went to the main timeline only, he was never in the HOT one. The one you see there is the one who was made in that timeline and has been allowed to grow throughout the years.
@@ElDuelistaPokeDex Not really cause if he went to our main timeline alone instead of the HOT timeline, Future trunks ceases to exist and the trunks that came to the main timeline is then actually from the unseen timeline which wouldn't make sense given Goku is alive in that timeline. Remember a timeline is created as a result of someone going to the past if cell kills Trunks in his own timeline which is the original timeline, what leads to the creation of the HOT timeline?
@@keyzprogression4539 Simple. When Cell came back to our main timeline, he just not created a 1 new timeline, but 2. Our main timeline and Future Trunks timeline. Because our main timeline will be visited by a Future Trunks and that's inevitable, so it needs to co-exist with our main timeline.
Revisit one of the best dbz videos ever, I was really 7 watching you and geekdom in 2014. I still can’t believe I thought you lived in Antarctica for half a decade.
Yo Qaaman, let me run something by you lol If Raditz never came to earth, then Nappa and Vegeta wouldn’t have known about the dragonballs and they wouldn’t have come to earth. If Nappa and Vegeta never came to earth, Piccolo wouldn’t have died and they wouldn’t need to go to Namek. If they never went to Namek, they would’ve never met Frieza and Goku wouldn’t have turned into a super saiyan. If Goku wasn’t a super saiyan, he wouldn’t stand a chance against the androids…so that’s why Raditz is the savior of Earth. Thoughts?
you my friend just gave me a video topic.
booyah!! I came up with that theory 2 years ago haha and figured I'd share it with ya
but remember frieza worked for bills by destroying planets what if he came to earth before androids came about?
Patrick Luke Then they would all die, the end.
Patrick Luke lmfao Freeza didn't work for Bills
Man, I feel bad for Bulma in Original timeline...she found Trunks dead and time machine was missing and then she lived life alone...so depressing
Master Roshi lives, no?
@@jaysolo23 maybe found by the androids and killed
@@jaysolo23 it’s possible he was killed alongside the Z- Warriors as he would most likely make a last ditch effort to stop the androids after the Z- Warriors were taken out.
In the history of trunks special which is same in the cell and the hot timeline it is shown that Roshi puar and oolong are still alive along with ox king and chichi
I dunno theres a chance that earth was destroyed aswell. Given the way future trunks' timeline went too(in DBS) i think eventually Babidi and Dabura(they are out there looking for Boo who is on earth) got to earth and wouldve been able to awaken Boo uncontested by anyone but the Kaioshin. Dabura could take him so my guess is they made it to og timeline earth eventually and it was destroyed by them or Boo. Bulma obviously perished. But Thats just my guess on a possibility.
Disclaimer: the HOT timeline is where goku black arc takes place. Quaaman’s line saying the earth is doomed if someone who is stronger than trunks was far truer than he ever thought
The fact he was right though is impressive 🤣🤣🤣
@@johnburgess5656 so did goku black kill the HOT timeline trunks
@@Fat_Catt no
they saw this video and thought "lets introduce a new villain for the hot timeline that trunks is not strong enough for".
Dude is a dbz guru.
Am I the only one who think that original timeline is kinda depresing...(no Z fighters, just Bulma) =/
TeamTripleStar Yeah
Although their is Master Roshi
Future Trunks True, but still
TeamTripleStar LOL
but wouldn't trunks come back in that timeline cause in the dbz timeline they wish back everyone who cell killed
Plot Twist: Dragon Ball GT is actually what happens in the unseen timeline...
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black not possible goku was ssj 3 in gt
Its really unlikely goku was ssj 3 in unseen timeline since he didnt die
That doesn't work because the Androids died in the Unseen timeline, yet are still alive in GT.
I don't agree because in the unseen timeline BOTH the androids were destroyed and in GT 18 is alive.
Step into tha grand tour...
No they were destroyed in the Original Timeline, we don't know what happens after trunks and the Z warriors fight androids 18 and 19, for all we know it went down the exact same way as the timeline we see
Even after 8 years, this is one of the best videos to explain the complicated timelines of Dragon ball
However we know what happens to the HOT timeline thanks to DBS. Lol
What if the “unknown timeline” is the timeline that Whis sends Future Trunks too exist in, after Zeno destroyed his original timeline 🤯
@@jaysolo23 his theory is all wrong.. Future Trunkz and Perfect Cell both changed the timeline as they time travelled to the past and took part in the chain of events that shouldn't have supposed to have happened.. Future Trunkz went back to his current timeline to realise it hasn't changed as Android17 and Android18 are still alive.. 1. Future Trunkz timeline is the original timeline that got destroyed by Reno.. 2. Alternate Timeline is where Perfect Cell is from.. 3. NEW Alternate Timeline accidently created by Future Trunkz and Perfect Cell where everyone is alive and well.. 4. Brand NEW Timeline is where Whis sent Future Trunkz and Future Mai too
@@deansmith9914 This video is almost a decade old. I disagree with some things I said too
@@deansmith9914
Are you saying the Trunks that help beat Cell is the same future Trunks that gets attacked by Goku Black? It can't be. Because the timeline we see in the anime that has the cells games. Then goes into dragonball Super Mai, the fox and garlic jr turn young using the dragonballs. Only for Mai to grow older with child Trunks.
So if you think the original timeline Zeno destroyed it would not have Mai and Trunks together. Not to mention in the original time line before time travel happened. All the Z fighters were killed. So there would be no Goku black. Also there is no dragnballs with Picalo killed so Mai will not be younger. And would be much older then Trunks. For the sake of it lets say she's the same age as Goku. Which dont seem that bad. Until you realise Sayins grow old much slower then humans. So Mai would be old enough to be Trunk's mum.
I don't know if you are gonna see this! I'm watching this ALMOST 7 years later and I want to say that's is probably this best video I've seen in my life! That's an amazing video and your work you've put in is UNREAL! Thanks a lot man!
Same bro. This video gives complete nostalgia. 👊👍
Same here man, I'm mindblown 🤯
Same
This is probably one of your greatest videos Quaaman.
Ikr I keep coming back to it after every saga I'm re-watching
I agree
Same
I kind of feel sorry for Trunks man, first the androids, then cell, then goku black. Give his world a break :(
Now his entire universe doesn't exist anymore :'(
@@lourdespacheco3700 not just that his entire multiverse and timeline was erased
THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT. Trunks is the always getting bullied
It's really sad saving the past ultimately destroyed his future poor Trunks
@@lourdespacheco3700 you mean his entire multiverse
Krillin - "So you're saying I can't just take your time machine go back to the past and tell myself not to date marron?"
multiverse theory 😂
+ArcadeTH Trunks:i don't know who that is? But no you couldn't. I mean you could but it wouldn't be the same you.
@@housinengi9512 Marron is that blue long-haired bitch that was on Roshi's Island during The Garlic Jr. Filler.
I don't know who that is
@@gumpyflyale2542 WHO?
Man, this video revolutionized the dbz fandom. This was the biggest video back then because it brought so much logic to a fandom that was.. logically challenged.
Back then? This video isn't even 10 yet lmfao
@@DamienTheCat but the dragon ball community was practically regrowing after battle of gods, which is why it is revolutionary
LOL
God what a stupid comment
trash
Man, this got made even messier in Super
Nice to see you here Epos
With Goku black and Zamasu? Yeah. That mess makes this look simple.
Ye
Man... time travel is so confusing sometimes. Lol.
+Dax Corsiar (Weeaboo) It's even worst for me in my head canon I have to deal with 7 or 8 different timelines 5 from Future Trunks, 1 from Future Pan, 1 from an alternate universe of Pan and Bulla, and another one for a genderbend universe, and another one where one of Frieza's race killed Frieza before Frieza blew up the planet namek and a newer version of Cell created by an alternate timeline Dr. Gero who holds the Cell Games 2 and decided to fight Pan into he had a Change of heart and decided to return to his timeline to killed Dr. Gero.
Not really
Dax Corsiar (Weeaboo) geez just imagined if these rules applied to something like legends of tomorrow or doctor who
In real life, time is just an illusion of light, gravity, speed and relativity. You can travel to the future if you fly a very fast spaceship away from Earth and back to it, but travel to the past is impossible according to physics as we understand it.
Think of it like the flash, if you change history there is a new timeline created based on what you change...it doesnt erase the current one with the one you didnt change, it only adds a alternate version of the original one
This was so well done man. I've had similar general thoughts, so watching this video go in depth was amazing. Keep it up man.
20:30 Crazy how you predicted Dragon Ball Super lol
Jin seih he sure did 😁
Exactly what i thought lmaooo
OMG HE DID!!😳
Holy shiiiiiiii
Doesn’t count
dude u put a lot of work in this god job
j sh troll
j sh troll
j sh You are nothing more than that. Just a simple troll.
j sh Learn to accept it, the sooner you do, the easier things will become.
lmao why u defend a guy that is ashamed of himself and wanting to be another race? Just because he like the same gay cartoon shit as you? Fucking children
I can believe that the HoT androids killed the time traveling Cell. The HoT androids may have been weaker than the main androids, but they were much more vicious.
They weren’t strangers to fighting dirty, often grouping up on opponents in a 2v1 battle, unlike the main androids that seemed to prefer 1v1 matchups.
I can see imperfect cell having trouble subduing the both of them, even though they’re weaker.
The problem is that cell literally took no damage from both Kami-piccolo and a stronger 17 fighting him at once, i personally belive that time traveling cell got killed in larval state
@@Ealais76 That was imperfect Cell after absorbing thousands of people. He was much weaker than kami-piccolo when he first appeared and only got stronger after the z-fighters spent a quarter of the arc trying to hunt him down so he would stop absorbing people.
In the future, there are hardly any humans left to absorb.
Truee
I’ve always loved this video. The concept of Cell was great for a villain, but his backstory created a lot of plot holes for the show, which complicates the Android saga.
I have to remake it
@@QaamansLand I doubt that it can surpass the original video as it was fantastic in every regard , Your narration, Sense to explain rules and plot holes , Choice of OST and video clips that are overlayed etc .
Only reason to remake is if you want to consider Dragon Ball Super as legitimate continuation to DB/DBZ , in which case , it adds 3 more timelines. I honestly hate Super as it brought down seriousness and awesomeness of the show but love Black Arc (Manga Only)
I watched the Android/Cell saga and there were no plotholes .
I love the Androids Cell Saga but there's a Few Plot holes
@@Heisen1200Super has so much Plot holes
Get ready to update your charts because Trunks is coming back
+Nephenon well it does change things a bit considering that Mai is his girlfriend i believe and youll have to figure out how was her age is possible for them to be together and how they even got together which has not been explained
+Nephenon thats why it could possibly change the timelines in fact i thought of ways they could actually create a new timeline because of this. im not saying that is the case but because of this new arc the timlines may need to be refined a bit.
+Morning Glory95 I think it's okay. if bulma looks fine I think mai is okay
+Morning Glory95 Wouldn't there be 6 timelines if bojack inbound occurs in age 767? In the hot timeline 3 years pass between Trunks defeating the androids and cell and therefore Trunks going back to 767 would spawn a new timeline because the main timeline would now be in age 770.
Bah time travel who knows but you guys may be right very right. And that's not even considering the times when Bardock accidentally goes back in time or when Trunks visits the past in SD. Or even when any of the previous Kaioshin went back, creating that big no time travel rule in the first place.
this is really thought out and well done, I'm really enjoying it. great job
🔥🔥🔥
In my honest opinion, this is Qaaman's best video even after 8 years. No disrespect to his current work AT ALL. This video is just THAT good and it holds nostalgic value to me as well. Now that Dragon Ball Super has happened this video could probably be redone and updated due to the retcons and changes Super introduced. Also on a side note: I cannot listen to Solid State Scouter and not hear Qaaman's voice explaining something in the background of it. I don't know if any Dragonball UA-camr has made a song from the series as synonymous with their channel as Qaaman has with Solid State Scouter. Iconic.
This is honestly one of my favorite topics on Dragon Ball lol, everyone be confused asf. It's honestly an easy concept to grasp for me but I see why others find it difficult.
yeah... is simple
More like Difficult to explain.
Yeah😹
Man, I would love to see an updated video on this with DBS' new timelines. This was one of my favorite videos of yours :)
I'll do it in a few months. Just need the right timing
@@QaamansLand Nice!! Hope all goes well for it!!
@@QaamansLand yes please!!!
@@QaamansLand how’s it going?
@@idreadFell365 Lots of work. It will get finished
What if Trunks just accidentaly typed 763 instead of another year ?
Lmaoo
This makes the most sense, or cell accidentally hits something in the time machine without knowing and changes the year trunks was originally gonna travel too.
The second plothole you pointed could not be a plot hole. See, I think that trunks was setting the time in the timemachine, where he wanted to go but as he was navigating AGE 760....761....763....763 Cell showed up and trunks could not enter his intended timeline on the timemachine and got killed by cell. So cell entered the time machine and pressed the button and went to age 763. Does this make Sense?
I was thinking the same thing.
Makes a lot of sense.
I just realized what he said 😭😂😂
I'm w u
I agree with your theory, it makes sense.
I think this is a strong theory. I'd consider this official.
Ditto
💯
Real
long story short. Akira's writing style just hopes the audience doesn't think too much about it.
Well to bad for him because we actually like to use logic
@@craigpeoples9883 hahahaha, results of Making a sci-fi manga
Exactly too bad for him 😂😂
Am I the only one who understands the whole theory I found everything to make some sort of sense?
No not at all
i was able to grab the concept of how all this work just by watching the show and when cell trunks and piccolo explain things. its not that hard to grab how the concept works lol
I understood fine and I think I need help finding out the Future Trunks from Dragon Ball Super coming back
Not at all. I knew most of the content in detail by following the series doing my own research for years. Was happy to see someone put the hardwork in such a video and analyse all of that stuff in a video
it doesn't make sens, because it's wrong. According to his theory, in the called 'Hot Time Line' there will be 2 Cells, one coming from the 'Main Time Line' and the second is in the 'Hot Time Line', but in the story of Trunks, when he returned to his time line aka Hot Time Line he only destroyed 1 Cell.
TK The Beyonder Yeah that's why its a plothole, genius, did you read what I wrote??
That's not a fault of his theory, his theory does a pretty neat job explaining all the important events of all the timelines and the logic is pretty rigid internally,.... but sometimes in DBZ, no matter how good the theory is, there are always a couple of plotholes.
One of those plotholes is what you're saying (one CELL only being killed), the other according to fan theory, got killed by the androids for showing up prematurely(the androids never talk about it).period. That makes sense now.
...my brain hurts...
This makes so much sense. I was racking my brain trying to figure out how the hell did cell make his way to the main timeline from a completely different set of timelines that didn't really interact. But you pieced it together and explained it pretty well. This is very digestible too tbh. Your timeline map really helped alot otherwise these explanations would be just too abstract to grasp.
is anyone else scratching their heads while watching this video lol
Nathan Davies I did and I made it lol
Qaamans Land looks like you will be needing to update this timeline here Qaaman because i am about to break some GT fans hearts.
Ok after going through Xenoverse Trunks explains that GT trunks is another copy of him right? We both know this information, now i know people are going to try to discredit me because the context is from a video game, however the idea exists within the core of Dragonball lore. either way it's okay but you can't discredit the logic here, in the video Quaaman shows the results of when you use a time machine.
You create alternate timelines, now whether you agree on his timeline is another thing but in my opinion it makes sense. So taking Qaaman's timeline, and Qaamans Land you can use this information however you would like. i have been trying to figure out for years how in the world you can take Dragonball GT and prove that it's an alternate timeline from the main-story. i use to think GT and Fusion Reborn was of the same timeline, however the shadow dragons prevented that, It's a long story.
Anyways prepare yourselves for this, because when Trunks went back to his timeline he created another timeline that is post cell games where everything happened in the the other timeline where Future Trunks left at. the exceptions that i can only find is that of GT's existence that's it and Dende for some ungodly reason not having healing powers in Age 788.
very interesting. and how can you right a long ass comment without youtube deleting it?
the other exceptions to the timeline are that BoG and Fukkastu no F did not occur, depending on how Toei and Akira Toriyama create Dragonball Super it's possible the last episodes 274, 275, and 276 are exclusive to the GT timeline. however i'd like to think that wasn't the case. we will get confirmation on this when dbz kai is finished. (looking at it currently it appears to end with Kid buu's defeat.. interesting)
Nathan Davies The fan solution stating that the Androids killed Cell in a battle during the HOT timeline is ridiculous simply because he is stronger than them (why weren't they able to kill him in the main timeline)
HOWEVER my theory is:
There was two Cells in the Hot timeline. there was the Future cell hiding and there was the Fetus cell developing.
So my theory is that the Androids killed Future cell unintentionally while he was in the SHELL hiding because they'd been doing a lot of destruction in the HOT timeline which means that later, Trunks killed the Fetus cell who had luckily developed and survived the Androids rampage.
This is more logical.
Are you eventually going to update this to include the black Goku events in the HOT timeline?
YOU ARE TO DUMB HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN BOTH BECAUSE GOKU GOES WITH HIM
SMS ok then you’re dumb
Nah, Goku black was as far as anyone is actually concerned just fanfic turned into a show
@@jerlaine1638 How would that be fan fiction if Super is canon? He definitely has to do an update.
rash b you missed the point.
Sure it’s canon but honestly it was garbage. It was the worst arc in super and legitimately felt like fanfic
6 years later and still my favorite video on UA-cam!!! Clears things up so well!!!
And this all happened because some doctor got mad at goku
Yeesh 😥
If Goku had just chose to kill him when he had the choice to back in Red Ribbon Saga. All he had to do was kill one guy.
@@S_ApologistGoku literally didn’t meet Dr Gero in the og Dragón ball. I don’t know why you treat as his fault
this needs an update now with DBS and Goku Black/Future Trunks
No it doesn't
Dbs is terrible and should be forgotten
ermac was here facts
Another TL had to be made it Zamasu was able to take Goku's body in one of the alternate TLs. And that alternate TL had a similar outcome as the original DBS TL. (Man that was difficult to think of lol)
Rashod Albert no, super sucks
@@ZanzibarWizard well I agree it had its ups and downs
Basically the androids would of been the true ending of dbz, if it weren’t for time travel. Pretty dark I say
The original timeline is so depressing. The earth is in ruins & all of the Z fighters are dead.
This actually made a lot of sense. It's a really good video and cleared things up. Thanks for the video.
Me: What the hell is the HOT timeline?
Oh, History of Trunks. (facepalm)
Lol
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With Future trunks coming to super. You will probably have to do a uodate video. lol
Ya Update the video with current super goings .
I think it's somewhat impossible to make sense to super events. I have no idea how Zamazu was able to jump to another timeline.
Travelling past creates new timeline or you "jump" from timeline to another (those "links" timemachine creates).
Travelling to future either travels on same timeline or uses those links.
When Zamazu travelled in future i believe he should had only travelled on his timeline - i have no idea how he jumped from timeline to another. Sure, he could find that link - but how did he know that link existed and how did he jump to that exact link? See video above.. there are multiple links already.
Not only Zamazu travelled from his timeline to future Trunks's timeline BUT Kais followed him!?!?!?!? HOW!?!?!? Can you somehow track powerlevels? Did they just sense that someone used that exact link between timelines???
It is quite impossible to make sense in that.
Well this says that GT is after battle of gods which we know is not a thing.
@@jackbagdadi6117 To be fair it technically could if Goku never reawakened god and Beerus and Whis never came back
Over the years I’ve watched this a bunch of times and always find this video so interesting. Would love to see a remastered version where you include super into the timelines!
I would just like to say this was the first video I found from you and I’m glad I’ve stuck with you since then
This timeline, adds up with the extra 4 green Time Rings in super.... and this video is before that episode
Good stuff
I haven't been back to this video in a looong time, it definitely deserves more viewers with the amount of work in this video. I know this video is 8 years old, but I believe there is a way to fix the whole Cell problem in this video down below.
Cell goes back into the past of the alternate timeline that was already created by Trunks from Timeline 1, thus creating an alternate timeline that branches from it. And of course, Future Trunks would also arrive 3 years later because he is a part of its history.
I already have a solution.
Bro, what if I told you that this video 8 years ago not only introduced me to your channel and got me subscribe, but got me interested in Dragon Ball again after I had moved onto other things at the time? This is by far still one of if not THE best Dragon Ball fan theory vids on UA-cam.
Why can't dbz be on netflix😩
ikr
Spencer Reid no its not a
Hulu in 2015-2017 had DBZ Funimation with Bruce Falconer, I was lucky to watch it multiple times this way
@@wanilimbe Fuck! Now all they have is corny super. And untranslated Dragonball episodes. Thanks a lot Hulu
@@wanilimbe seriously? Would get so many damn eyeballs if they brought that back.
Turns out the Blue Timeline turned out to be almost exactly like the Present timeline. Now we know the ''Future?'' :D
Actually, I don't think they had to deal with Cell. However, it turns out that they actually manage to survive up until Goku was a radish farmer. Then, Black or that Zamasu kills Goku and then goes to Future Trunks's timeline and then joins up with that timeline's Zamasu who then becomes immortal.
Bass of Sands that isn’t what happens, he takes Gokus body from the future of the main timeline as Zamasu was going to do the same
Let me offer an "Occams Razor" explanation for why the Time Machine was set to 763 when Cell stole it from Trunks:
We can see that Trunks was just preparing to climb into the machine as Cell came up on him. It's entirely possible (and the simplest answer) that Trunks hadn't yet punched in his intended destination of 767.
It might just be the case that each digit is entered manually (push a button to increase number, 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 etc.) and Trunks had only reached the age "763," when Cell ambushed him and killed him. And not knowing how to program the machine, himself, Cell just hopped in the machine and let it do its thing.
I have a question, so there are Two Cells in Hot timeline? But we saw Trunks only killed one after kills Android right? And Cell that Trunks kill is Cell from the future or Cell in that Hot timeline?
@@Odinshort23 trunks kills the cell that traveled from the original timeline (the one that buried in the ground) but he probably killed the other cell in gero's lab after seeing it in the main timeline
@@Odinshort23 That Cell that Trunks kills comes from the original timeline, but I agree. He had to kill the one that was developing in Gero’s lab
The problem is ..cell from original timeline should appear 4 years after arrival in HOT timeline.. not 20 years later...confusing
@@Odinshort23 Tbh I don't really agree with the explanation given in the video. To my interpretation, the Cell from Timeline 1 ended up in the main timeline. The HOT Timeline had only one Cell, and only diverged from the original timeline because Trunks traveled to the main timeline. It's easier when you think of the timelines as alternate universes.
i always gotta rewatch this video once a year when I get back into my dragon ball phase.
Am I alone in that I understand his explanation perfectly?
After his explanation I can wrap four timelines and five Cells around in my head and admit that the time travel cell in the H.o.T. timeline is a problem. The way I see it is that either he was too weak when he fought 17 and 18 and was killed by their combined efforts or 16 existed in this timeline and he defeated Cell but was destroyed/too badly damaged afterwards.
+IAmEvilTree I understood his explanation.
+IAmEvilTree Yeah, it was a very clear explanation, I doubt it could be explained any better to be fair.
+Greg Jones The fifth Cell, i.e. the main cell, is indeed a duplicate of the original timeline Cell and thus has that Cell's memory of the Unaltered timeline.
25:00 First plothole means there is FIVE timlines not four. there is one more timeline before oryginal timeline in vid.
1. First lane - goku died, trunks back in time but failed (maybe go without medicine?) and created line with same history as his, didnt find out how defeat androids who killed him. cell didnt use timemachine but stay in future without trunks, reaching his perfect form - everybody died.
2. Failed line (oryginal in vid but with timetraveler) - goku died, trunks back in time and created unseen line in vid, ending killed by cell who knows about timtraveler and cell go back in time to 4th timeline - almost everybody died.
3. Unseen timeline in vid - trunks know about cell and destroy lab with him. So there is no cell - happy timeline until buu who kiled everybody because goku didnt achive ssj3 - everybody died.
4. Future trunks line we know from dbs (HOT in vid) - almost everybody died.
5. Changed time line from dbz - the golden winner - everybody live!
This is only explanation. And there is no first plothole then!
And there is even 4 rings in dbs. All created by timemachine. :p No wonder zamasu was furious at trunks for messing with time and chronoa from dbh punished him :p trunks you bad boy...
Anybody agrees Future Gohan should've lived?
Dasavien Dennison watch future gohan vs goku black it's an awesome sprite animation (but seeing as this was a yr ago you probably seen it maybe) but they added their own common sense to the timeline of if trunks died instead
I sure as heck agree
I wonder if the unseen timeline is the timeline Zamasu used to take goku's body....?
thats the HOT timeline
flagwaver100 couldn't be. I say this because the trunks that we see in super is from the hot timeline. Goku Black is from another timeline. He just went to future trunks timeline because there was no God of Destruction/Beerus to challenge him.
No. It's from the "future" of main timeline
Mappster No its not, because the goku he took was from the first episode of super
Lorenzo Games it's on the HOT Timeline whereas no one Z Fighters protect the World but only Future Trunks himself.
Just imagine how long of a video it would take to go into this kind of depth with the DBS Zamasu saga timeline LOL.
it’s been 10 years since this video was released… wow! this was my first time ever trying to understand dragon ball logic like 5 youtube accounts ago😭 Qaaman is the GOAT
Huh?
@@QaamansLand man i’ve been subbed to you for years on multiple youtube accounts and this was probably my first ever video, i didn’t know it was 10 years old tho, i just turned 20 last week😭
we are now in the "original" timeline where the Z Fighters and Cell were all gone.
Hmmmmmm
Good job!!!! I was puzzled by all the timeline shits when I selectively picked fight scenes to watch. However, I understood the 4 timelines in cell arc now thanks to you!
i think you're giving this more thought than toriyama
227someguy Exactly😂😂😂
This is really fun to watch though
I don't think toriyama gives it any thought
"Multiverse Theory's a bitch."
It truly is. Ask "The Flash" Barry Allen about it...
UnexpectedWonder His actor says otherwise. Wait, no, his actor doesn't..
Dylan Paez Who said I was talking about the Show?
This isn't multiverse.
***** Well it isn't a straight forward timeline.
i’m not gonna lie i’ve watched this vid every night for like 3 weeks now. i learn something new each time and helps me sleep 😭 wake up and hear something new crazy how old this is. if we get a super-updated version this will be three hours long
Cell: How much do you know about time travel?
Trunks: Less than I should...
Wow amazing this video surely required a big effort.
Despite how late I'm watching this, this made it really easy to understand how all the different Cells, and all the timelines work.
you must add another rule:
"The cell who will ambush trunks is always the orignal cell of that respective timeline"
And that's the original main timeline sucks for Bulma and hopefully roshi if he's still alive
@@blackx334gmgf7 Master Roshi won't die if no one kills him
@@blackx334gmgf7unfortunately they got erased
Your Theory seems solid to me.
I still dont get it. You do i see. Could you make a summary for me?
Mohamed Cisse
what don't you get, you must of gotten some of this.
@Rohmnae i get it noe hahaha but the answer doesnt satisfy me
Mohamed Cisse
that's cool.
What a throwback. I think this is the first video of yours that I watched.
Man, everything and anything about time travel in any context is always such a dark topic
20:35 Funny you said Earth is doomed because That's what eventually Happened in DBS
its crazy how this video is almost 10 years old. man time flys. this brought back alot of memories rewatching some of your old videos.
For those of you who are not convinced that there are 5 Cells, consider the following:
You have a machine that can duplicate anything that you want to. You have 3 baskets, each one containing an orange. You take one orange from basket no.1 and put it in no.2. So, basket no.1 is empty, no.2 has two oranges, and no.3 has one. Now, you duplicate basket no.2. Now we have 4 baskets. No.1 is empty, no.2 has two oranges, no.3 has one, and the new no.4 has two.
Think of basket no.1 as the Original Timeline. The Cell (orange) from this timeline (basket) traveled to the HoT Timeline (basket no.2), where there is already another Cell (the orange that was already there). The HoT Timeline (basket no.2) was duplicated when Trunks traveled to this timeline, creating the Main Timeline (basket no.4), where, just like HoT Timeline (basket no.2) is two Cells (oranges). Basket no.3 is just the Unseen Timeline.
So, there are now 5 Cells....or oranges...whatever...
Hrit Roy no, there are definitely 4. why would the timeline duplicate? it makes no sense. there is one cell from the original timeline who travels to the main timeline meaning there are two cells in the main timeline: foetus cell and future cell. there is also one in the HOT timeline and none from anywhere else meaning 3 in total so far. also there has to be one in the unseen timeline therefore there are 4 in total as another cell was not in the unseen timeline because otherwise trunks wouldve trained and been able to defeat the cell from his own timeline
xExotiC xB34ST If Cell from the original timeline traveled to the main timeline, then how does the HOT timeline come into existence?
i say that it was created when trunks died in the original timeline. I have a theory that the original timeline and the HOT timeline are the exact same up until trunks dies by cell
xExotiC xB34ST So, Trunks dying, created a whole new timeline? Then there must be another timeline which was created when Cell killed Trunks in the main timeline...
yes but these timelines do not cross over and we cant make any accurate theories on them. its just another one of those "what if goku never hit his head" things in what you're saying but how i look at it, this makes more sense than what qaaman had proposed as otherwise he creates the plot hole of the other cell in trunks' timeline and also he hadnt explained where the main cell came from to be in the main timeline therefore what i propose solves these 2 problems
Wow, that was a lot of stuff, but I can agree with it, never though it would be that complicated. I guess Toriyama never though of that much.
Fantastic job Quaaman. I have to say, this video is inspirational. I am writing a novel about time travelling and this video made me realise how to look at it with a different perspective. If I ever publish it, I put you in the special thanks. One of the best and most useful videos for me. Thanks again. ;-)
Boy does this video bring back memories
You made a mistake the cell that returned from the original timeline didnt go back to the HoT timeline,
(he is also never seen there anyway which further proves my point), but he only returned to our known timeline which we are currently in (where the cell games and stuff happens) .
EXACTLY. This the part that he critically gets wrong and where I had to stop watching.
He did travel to the HoT timeline, we just didn't see him because he was killed by the Androids during his failed ambush (presumably because he underestimated their strength, he can't sense their power levels)
In the main timeline however, he *had* to become stronger beforehand since Kamiccolo was a major obstacle between him and the Androids.
Coming back to watch this in 2024, the different alternative timelines are really well explained
Seeing this 8 Years later, im surprised that we had not considered the battle of gods movie to be the cannon continuation of the storyline.
I wonder if you'll do a follow-up on this video since the goku black arc had a lot of time travel shenanigans too. It'll be interesting to compare and contrast your interpretation vs plague of gripes's.
I’ve seen this 5 times already, probably will watch it again! Im not confused, it’s just really well put together! Great explanation!
He is wrong about one thing. We did see the Unseen timeline. The Android 13 movie is the unseen timeline.
Future Wiz none canon
@@XxMobileWizXx that makes sense. The z warriors knew that A13-15 were Dr Gero creation. Which means they already ran into 17-18. And since all of the z warrior including a cured Goku, were relaxing and Trunks was with them(at the mall) and not fighting or tracking down 17, and 18, this tells us they are no longer a threat, which means they defeated them already and the world is at peace(as there would be no knowledge of Cell yet). This would probably be right before Trunks goes back to his time(Cell’s timeline/3) to defeat the androids there.
Unfortunately this means that the Trunks that we see in The Super Android 13 movie, is the same Trunks from timeline 3, which also means that this Trunks will die when he goes back by Cell’s hands and his time machine will get taken.
This also means that this timeline predates timeline 1(Main) and timeline 2(Future Trunks)
20:25 black goku / goku black
Correct
Oh yeah, it was doomed in dbs and trunks came back to the past to ask for help.
Damn .........😲😲😲😲 You not lying
@@jayfrost5794 Wow, this was so long ago I didn't remember any of the context of this. Time flies... I just had the "oh shit, true" moment too just because I went back and listened
@@Axolautism yeah.....I had to reply to this because this basically was the only true theory comment I saw when I scrolled down the comments 💯💯
I don't think cell ever went to the hot timeline. He just went directly to the main timeline. In the hot timeline he was just born years later and killed by trunks.
Nah he had to have travelled to the hot timeline. if he went straight to the main timeline then there would be no need for the hot timeline to exist because it was created in the first place when cell stole the time machine. without the hot timeline, there would be no trunks to go to the main timeline and warn goku about the androids :)
Omar Shariff
ok...but what does cell being there have to do with anything? without him the androids would STILL kill everybody and leave trunks to go back in time... and i can't believe either of the theories that cell either wandered around for 25 years or killed by the androids because he was stronger than them
I get what you're saying but you have to think of it as sort of a paradox...say if cell kills trunks and goes back in time to the 'main timeline', it wouldn't be the same main timeline we know because trunks hasn't gone back in time. That means the events of the hot timeline would unfold because the z fighters wouldn't have trained to fight 17 and 18. that results in trunks going back in time and creating another timeline - which is the actual main timeline we know...rather than referring to them as being different timelines it's easier to think of cell just 'going back in time'...if you think about it like that there's no way that only one timeline can be created. hope that makes sense...damn this is fucking with my brain :/
+Omar Shariff I think it was Qaam that messed up man he said there were 5 cells that wouldn't make sense there are only 4 timelines so only 4 cells he is assuming that the Trunks in the unseen timeline killed cell but remember when the unseen Trunks saw cell he was surprised and shocked which means I don't think he ever blew up the lab I think it went
BLUE > survives to to YELLOW killed by F.Trunks
YELLOW > Killed by androids replaced by BLUE
GREEN > Goes to RED killed by SSJ2Gohan
RED > Was killed by Trunk and Krillin during Gero lab raid replaced by GREEN
that's 4 timelines 4 cells
+Dx Reaper (JSRF) Trunks1 goes back to 764, creating the unseen timeline 2, destroys lab(laboratory basement), gets plans for remote, Bulma2 creates remote, trunks goes back to timeline 1, "deactivates" androids. in 788 Cell1 kills Trunks1 and then goes back to 763, creating a timeline where Cell1 went to the past instead of Trunks, Thus the History of Trunks Timeline is created(Timeline3), Trunks3 goes back to age 764, which created a Timeline where both Cell1 and Trunks3 both exist(Main Timeline), Android saga, Cell Saga, Trunks3 returns and "Kills" androids, age 788 Cell3 attacks Trunks3, similar to Timeline1, Trunks3 Kills Cell3.
There would have had to have been 5 Cell's trip to the past is what created Trunks3, who killed the androids, unlike Trunks1 who used the remote to deactivate them. Cell1 would have had to exist in the main timeline and Trunks3's Timeline.
10 years later and still watching this video here and then , fantastic work ✨
As an engineer, i really think this is the only explanation that doesn't have logic flaws, reason for which i want to congratulate you. Not even Toriyama knew how the system worked, and that's why there are some plot holes. The only plot hole i consider relevant and can't find solution for is the fact that Imperfect Cell (from Original TL) in Main TL states that Frieza cells were extracted just prior to being killed by Trunks in age 764, and that if Dr Gero wanted he could have used Trunks' Cells (although he didn't want). The thing is that Cell (from the Original TL) couldn't ever possibly be created with Trunks' Cells even if Dr. Gero wanted, because Trunks wasn't even born in year 764 (fight with Mecha Frieza) and no Trunks arrived to that Original TL. Besides, in that timeline, as you well said, Goku was the one who killed Mecha Frieza due to Trunks non-existence. The other 2 are easy to vaguely justify (in HOT timeline, Original TL Cell was killed by the Androids) and the year 763 time-travelling set up could simply be due to the time machine not being yet set up correcly as Cell interrumpted the operation.
I agree with all of it except for the end. I dont think Cell interrupted Trunks while he was placing the destination. I think Trunk had intended to go to that year on purpose. It was known in DBZ that if Trunks knew where Gero’s lab was, he would be going there instead of warning the Z Warriors. The Trunks from Cell timeline, at that time knew where it was because he found the blueprints of the androids in the past. I believe that this Trunks wanted to save another timeline by eliminating the threat before it could even happen, and now that he had the knowledge he could very well do it.
Ik this is old but its possible cell didn't know what happened in his original timeline & just observed it when it went back to the past. So he thought it would be the same for his timeline too.
Absolutely great. It makes sense now why there is two time machines.
The best explanation and you did a wonderful job explaining it in a way we could understand easily
also what many people don't realize is, when bulma sent trunks back in time, they actually thought that their timeline could change at the time. But when trunks went back to his future after defeating frieza and giving goku the medicine, that's when they realized there timeline wouldn't reap the benefits from trunks changing history in the past.
For me the double cell part is a bit strange. I mean him being in the HOT and main timeline at the same time
That would also explain why would Cell be extra careful in the dbz timelime. Once he realizes he's sharing a timeline with future trunks, he would know he had failed at least once already. Of course he got careless when he achieved his perfect form as his objective had been already accomplished.
This has so much theories that I loved ! Great job ! 😎 👍 👍
Yo Qaaman can you please do an update on this now a days with the new information?
Great video... I've seen it 5 times and find something new everytime. Great job! You are a true DBZ GURU.
You forgot timeline 6 the Chrono Trigger Timeline. That's actually the story Trunks trying to kill Cell aka Lavos. There's Bulma known as Lucca, Frog as Piccolo, an Android known as Robo, Vegeta as Magus... You get the joke lol
Lol
ADJUSTMENT TO TIMELINES // PLOT HOLES EXPLAINED
First, before getting into my timelines explanation, I want to thank you largely for this video, as it helped me greatly in piecing together the puzzle
My timelines are essentially the same as yours, but with a little twist to take care of the plot holes ...
First, Cell in the “main timeline” said to Piccolo that Trunks killed Frieza ... so that means the Cell from the “main timeline” came from the “unseen Timeline”, NOT the “original Timeline”
How this happened?
While all is speculation, the most obvious answer is that a Time Machine can just as easily be made in the “unseen Timeline”, especially since Bulma and the others already know it can be done from seeing Future Trunks ... then the Trunks that is killed by Cell is the Trunks that grew up from a baby, NOT Future Trunks from the “original Timeline”
The beauty of all the above is that we can actually scrap the term “unseen Timeline” and instead have 1) the original Timeline, 2) Cell’s timeline (beforehand thought to be “unseen”), 3) History of Trunks [HOT] Timeline, and 4) The main Timeline
The coordinates were set to Age 763, as Cell claimed to just push the button ... perhaps there was a good reason for the all-grown-up-Trunks from the “unseen Timeline” (...known in my theory as Cell’s Timeline) to make a trip back to 763, whether it was a new threat or whatever
Finally, one may say there is one glaring error in this theory, which is what happens to Future Trunks from the “original Timeline” in regards to Cell showing up ... 1) either Trunks defeats him, which is highly unlikely from all we know, or 2) Cell kills Future Trunks also in the “original Timeline”, wants to go find the androids to become “perfect” and just “presses the button” in the Time Machine, but this Time Machine would be set to Age 767 or sometime thereafter, perhaps with Future Trunks actually planning to tell the Z Fighters that he deactivated the androids in his time, and this Cell would just be going to the “unseen Timeline” just as Future Trunks would have ... given the Cell larval stage and approximate 4 years needed to mature, the Z Fighters could have defeated this Cell in the “unseen Timeline” (AKA my “Cell Timeline”) around Age 771, as they would have been far stronger than his “Imperfect” self and the androids would have been long gone ... the assumption here though is that the Z Fighters would have killed him without getting a backstory from him, perhaps right after he sucked up an entire city (Piccolo did try to eliminate Cell in the “main Timeline” before he was able to get the backstory) ... without knowing the backstory, then the all-grown-up-Trunks would still be susceptible to being attacked and killed by the Cell still growing in Dr Gero’s underground lab in Age 788
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Let me know thoughts or if anything in the show directly conflicts with my theory above
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One more cool thing from all the above in terms of what the futures look like in the 4 different timelines
... one timeline would have no heroes left (original Timeline)
... one timeline would have all the heroes left minus Trunks (“unseen Timeline” which is my Cell Timeline)
... one timeline would have no heroes left except for Trunks (HOT Timeline)
... and one timeline would have all the heroes left (main Timeline)
You made a plot hole yourself because everytime a time traveller always goes back in time they do the same thing meaning that a Future Trunks would of went into the History of trunks timeline so its about to be a paradox
If Cell were to return in Super it could be the one that was implied but not confirmed to have died, the plothole one, or possibly from a new unexplored timeline maybe tieing in with the Goku Black arc. As for his powerup to remain relevant and his knowledge of how strong everyone is now and how a different version of him was defeated would be difficult to reasonably explain
Dragon ball super hero trailers pretty much confirmed this
Even that fan theory doesn’t hold up, because (at least in the anime) Trunks remarks that the androids they were facing were somehow stronger than the ones in his timeline. And cell was far above them both, so there is no way that they could’ve defeated him in an ambush. It’s bound to happen when you mess with time travel narratively, it’s really hard to avoid inconsistencies
Great vid, definitely cleared some things up!
Do you know how old this video is?
There ARE 5 cells
#1. Killed by gohan during cell games
#2. Possibly killed by trunks in larva form after finding artificial human's blueprints.
#3. Possibly killed by artificial humans in attempt to absorb them.
#4. Killed by trunks in failed ambush.
#5. Killed by trunks and kuririn while destroying dr. gero's lab.
Akchun there aren’t 5 cells dude just 4
@@elcapotheguod9672 there are 5 as stated in the video and my comment.
one mistake,cell never went into the HOT timeline,it was that timeline's version of cell,it was so far in the future that he finished developing,cell went to the main timeline only,and not the HOT timeline
That's why I said it's a plothole
+Qaaman's Land it's just you placed cell going back in time taking him into the HOT timeline ,when he went only into the main timeline ,I know you needed the HOT timeline to be over the main timeline,for trunk's time travel to make since ,but still cell never went from his timeline into the HOT timeline, he went directly into the main timeline ,and the HOT cell was born ,or should I say created in that timeline
+Scrimshaw “the” Avenger
Interesting. So who did actually create HOT timeline since it's separated from original timeline/dead FT timeline. Did they fill this 'plothole' with Black or just leave it as a plothole?
+Boanbala X I think this timeline was at first a plothole but they are trying to fix this with black
+Scrimshaw “the” Avenger makes sense for them to try and fix the plotholes I mean there are 4 alternate timelin e rings and 3 alternate timelines plus the main timeline so number 4 could have to do with the current story
I'm sitting here thinking, "Damn, what a nerd to have made a 43 minute video on Dragon Ball timelines."
But then I realize, I'm watching a 43 minute video on Dragon Ball timelines. Haha I'm a nerd too.
Great video, but there is one mistake. Cell from the original timeline went to the main timeline only, he was never in the HOT one. The one you see there is the one who was made in that timeline and has been allowed to grow throughout the years.
the only guy who is right
@@md_abir320 Exactly, that's why it makes more sense that he went to our main timeline instead of a Future Trunks timeline.
yes
@@ElDuelistaPokeDex Not really cause if he went to our main timeline alone instead of the HOT timeline, Future trunks ceases to exist and the trunks that came to the main timeline is then actually from the unseen timeline which wouldn't make sense given Goku is alive in that timeline. Remember a timeline is created as a result of someone going to the past if cell kills Trunks in his own timeline which is the original timeline, what leads to the creation of the HOT timeline?
@@keyzprogression4539 Simple.
When Cell came back to our main timeline, he just not created a 1 new timeline, but 2.
Our main timeline and Future Trunks timeline. Because our main timeline will be visited by a Future Trunks and that's inevitable, so it needs to co-exist with our main timeline.
2022 and I hear rumblings of Qaaman making an updated timeline video? HFIL YEAH.
Pm me if you find it. Send link.
Revisit one of the best dbz videos ever, I was really 7 watching you and geekdom in 2014. I still can’t believe I thought you lived in Antarctica for half a decade.
No wonder Zamasu was really mad at Trunks...
He created many different timelines.
Trunks was only responsible for one separate timeline. Cell is to blame for the other 2