I have two 1889 swiss rifles, and one or two of each of the 96/11, 1911, K11 and K31. I reload my GP11 brass with Tula Berdan primers. I found that for cast loads I didn't need to trim my brass shorter or do anything at all different for the 1889. so I use the same cast reloads in everything from the 1889 to the K31 and they shoot great. The 1889 has such a generous throat that the brass really doesn't need chopped down with a .309 cast bullet. At least not for my two rifles... Im glad your Carcano likes these bullets more than mine! Yours even did halfway decent with the original PPU ammo. My 3 rifles won't even group better than a foot or so with the PPU ".268" bullets and isn't even on paper with the .264 bullets in the loaded PPU ammo. In fact, the .264 ammo was keyholing from the 91/24
Shot one of each today. 2100 FPS. on paper. functioned great. bore scope showed 0 copper fouling with the 15 rounds of .264 I shot yesterday. Trace (typical) copper fouling with the .267 so both are good. figure out my accuracy and if .264 is acceptable. that sure would be easier to acquire. lol
@@yuibot5998 yes. But probably not this year. Usually what I do is slug the bore and get a bullet that is .001 or .002 over. I do happen to have a bunch of .266 for my swedish Mauser. But that is probably too small I will need to slug the bore and probably find something .268-.270. I always have good results by just simply using 10 grains of unique as powder.
Harold Geneen - who oversaw the growth of ITT - used to say that when he was touring a company that ITT was acquiring, he always looked at the executives' desks when evaluating who to keep on after the acquisition. If he walked into an office kept pin-neat, with a big, clear desk with a blotter, a family photo, and a phone, that guy was history. If he walked into an office with piles of paper next to the desk, piles of folders and paper on the desk, and all the horizontal surfaces covered with papers, he knew that was the guy who was running the place.
Lee makes the correct size expander but you have to order it separately and it is only a few dollars not very expensive .I don't understand why they don't include both expanders in the set and just charge a few dollars more to cover the cost because a lot of people doesn't even know they make the separate ones that are the correct size
Hornady doesn't make 268/267 anymore. Discontinued making 160 grain ,268,s was told they didn't sell well. ?????? We need those now+!! Wish PP U would make em. They would sell .
My Norma 158 grain Alaska torpedo soft tip 264 Dia bullet shoots very accurate in my 1937 beretta model 91 cavery carbine, functions great, I guess it matters rifle to rifle, I think the ones made before 1938 had tighter bores , no evidence to back it up, but this is what I am hearing on line, any thoughts anyone?
What primer did you use? Hornady says large rifle magnum only, but that seems absurd. I have tons of murom and cci large rifle, but no magnums. Accurate 4064 powder
I’ve been playing w/ Carcano loads using CCI large rifle primers- no magnums. I’m using the same .268 PPU SPs shown in the video backed w/ 28 gr of IMR 3031. I’m happy w/ the results
@@Crustyguns And what? Can you consider reloading with 'sptitzer' bullets correct reloading? Or is it born out of non-availability of the right bullets?
@@Franky46Boy I’ve reloaded for Carcano w/ Spitzer type bullets w/ great results. The issues the Italians faced that led them to use bottle-nosed bullets and gain twist rifling were due to their inability to make a jacketed bullet that could handle smokeless powder at the time the m1891 was developed. Why they stuck w/ the bottle-nosed bullets is beyond me, but Spitzer bullets work fine out of the Carcano if the diameter is correct for the bore
I have two 1889 swiss rifles, and one or two of each of the 96/11, 1911, K11 and K31. I reload my GP11 brass with Tula Berdan primers. I found that for cast loads I didn't need to trim my brass shorter or do anything at all different for the 1889. so I use the same cast reloads in everything from the 1889 to the K31 and they shoot great. The 1889 has such a generous throat that the brass really doesn't need chopped down with a .309 cast bullet. At least not for my two rifles...
Im glad your Carcano likes these bullets more than mine! Yours even did halfway decent with the original PPU ammo. My 3 rifles won't even group better than a foot or so with the PPU ".268" bullets and isn't even on paper with the .264 bullets in the loaded PPU ammo. In fact, the .264 ammo was keyholing from the 91/24
91/24’s all shoot crappy
Good video
Shot one of each today. 2100 FPS. on paper. functioned great. bore scope showed 0 copper fouling with the 15 rounds of .264 I shot yesterday. Trace (typical) copper fouling with the .267 so both are good. figure out my accuracy and if .264 is acceptable. that sure would be easier to acquire. lol
Do you plan to try any cast loads for the Carcano?
@@yuibot5998 yes. But probably not this year. Usually what I do is slug the bore and get a bullet that is .001 or .002 over. I do happen to have a bunch of .266 for my swedish Mauser. But that is probably too small I will need to slug the bore and probably find something .268-.270. I always have good results by just simply using 10 grains of unique as powder.
@@yuibot5998 I just uploaded a video that is the 1967 load data from Lyman I found tonight. It has cast data. I use unique.
Harold Geneen - who oversaw the growth of ITT - used to say that when he was touring a company that ITT was acquiring, he always looked at the executives' desks when evaluating who to keep on after the acquisition. If he walked into an office kept pin-neat, with a big, clear desk with a blotter, a family photo, and a phone, that guy was history. If he walked into an office with piles of paper next to the desk, piles of folders and paper on the desk, and all the horizontal surfaces covered with papers, he knew that was the guy who was running the place.
If you shoot a carcano with a .264 flat base round nose bullet will the bullets be so inaccurate that they tumble?
I've heard it depends on the bore condition.
Lee makes the correct size expander but you have to order it separately and it is only a few dollars not very expensive .I don't understand why they don't include both expanders in the set and just charge a few dollars more to cover the cost because a lot of people doesn't even know they make the separate ones that are the correct size
Nice demo...
Hornady doesn't make 268/267 anymore. Discontinued making 160 grain ,268,s was told they didn't sell well. ?????? We need those now+!! Wish PP U would make em. They would sell .
Thanks for the info. Could you tell us the velocities on the different bullets? If you chronographed them.
Good to see Barnes with you too!
My Norma 158 grain Alaska torpedo soft tip 264 Dia bullet shoots very accurate in my 1937 beretta model 91 cavery carbine, functions great, I guess it matters rifle to rifle, I think the ones made before 1938 had tighter bores , no evidence to back it up, but this is what I am hearing on line, any thoughts anyone?
Let us know how it shoots .
Primers used ?
What primer did you use? Hornady says large rifle magnum only, but that seems absurd. I have tons of murom and cci large rifle, but no magnums. Accurate 4064 powder
I’ve been playing w/ Carcano loads using CCI large rifle primers- no magnums. I’m using the same .268 PPU SPs shown in the video backed w/ 28 gr of IMR 3031. I’m happy w/ the results
Have the same ammo its not the best lol but have a 7mm mauser and it likes it
Guess I will try 264 bullets. Will see what happens.
Graf & Sons has the 139gr 268 bullets now, they measure .267
The original Carcano 6,5 mm had a round nose bullet with a flat bottom, not the 'Spitzer'/boattail type!
And?
@@Crustyguns And what?
Can you consider reloading with 'sptitzer' bullets correct reloading?
Or is it born out of non-availability of the right bullets?
@@Franky46Boy I’ve reloaded for Carcano w/ Spitzer type bullets w/ great results.
The issues the Italians faced that led them to use bottle-nosed bullets and gain twist rifling were due to their inability to make a jacketed bullet that could handle smokeless powder at the time the m1891 was developed. Why they stuck w/ the bottle-nosed bullets is beyond me, but Spitzer bullets work fine out of the Carcano if the diameter is correct for the bore
@@Crustyguns Thanks. Useful information.
@@Franky46Boy original Italian match bullets were spitzers. Similar in shape to the PPU Bullets.