I’m old enough to remember this story. It’s interesting to know a bit more about the background. Psychopaths are generally created, I understand, from dramatic events in their life, but with an underlying predilection. They rarely revert, so I was really interested to read that she had a child.
@@dianeoconnor8310 she was a child and put through severe abuse off her mother cuz tax payers like yourself didn't take a blind bit of notice, even though there was enough red flags to start a bull ring business. I mean it's sickening what Mary probably saw and endured at such a young age. She was a victim too, and she still endured abuse in prison. Unless you've lived that life, you can't never judge or should make such remarks, its ignorant. Mary deserved a chance at life too.. and she has showed to everyone that she wasn't evil, she was a traumatised little girl who had NO ONE in her life. She was alone and almost ferrol in many ways due to her mother. she's never reoffended and is a grandmother now at 66.
This is a great video!!! I love your accent!!! It's nice to hear a true crime story from someone who's actually from the area, it makes it a lot more authentic! I've been fascinated by Mary Bell's story since I first discovered it when I was working on a finals project at Cascadia community college! You provided a lot of info that I hadn't known before. I think it was mainly Mary's horrifying and tragic upbringing that made her a psychopath. Well and when you're 11 years old, even for a normal kid, your since of reality is very distorted! So that, plus she was suffering from homicidal tendencies and trauma on top of it! So I would say she couldn't be held completely responsible for her actions. Nobody's born evil, she was made that way. But as of recently, Mary Bell's actually a Grandma now! Her daughter had a kid. So fortunately Mary was able to change and now she has a great life. Which is good, but it's still too bad about those little boys. Betty Bell should've gone to prison for child abuse! It's a very bizarre, demented story!!!!! Awesome video!!!
Sorry I don't agree. Whatever made her that way, she was a calculating clever cold blooded killer. A scycopath.. An 11 Yr old knows right from wrong, knows not to hurt a young child. People like that don't change, however they appear to the outside world. Very scary.
Great video Eddy it’s crazy to think now she’s 65 years old with daughter of her own she had to change identity after she got released when Mary was 23 years old keep the true crime videos coming mate very interesting
As you say Eddy, a fascinating true life crime story. Thank you for documenting this on your channel. Clearly well researched, detailed & informative. More true stories Eddy! 👍
@@TynesideLife exceptional work Eddy 👏future stories ( already looking forward to) chronicled will only enhance your channel, which deserves it's success.....19.7K suscribers there......nearly 20k! Great numbers!
Having been brought up in a very toxic family i can honestly say nobody is born evil but they do become or can become evil due to what happens behind closed doors. While i finally managed to walk away from it all i still have the mental and physical scars that run very deep and know i've got complex ptsd which i can finally or hopefully can control and i'm now in my mid fifties yet they still to this day try to destroy what i've worked for given the chance which is why non of them know who i work for or where.. Nobody knows what evil goes on behind closed doors until the victim speaks out .
Fascinating, I lived in this area for a couple of years before moving to a new house in Longbenton. This was 1960 /61, and we did general mayhem among the derelict houses. The street was Enfield Road, 2 rooms gas lighting, a back yard, tap outside along with toilet. It was grim, but I didnt sense any violence. I think we moved at the right time, because the drug scene was just appearing, so things were going downhill. Thanks for another lovely Video, shook up my memory cells a bit.
It’s my understanding, that with help , she lived a law abiding adult life, bringing up her daughter. She too was a victim. Never had a chance. Sympathies to the grieving families, but to her also. Really good video. Not sure her current location, however vague, should have been given out. I’m sure she doesn’t need any attention.
Anyone with a mere casual interest and a rudimentary Google search can discover she’s ‘probably’ in the North East. I’m not revealing anything Raymond. Anyone determined to find her will have other tools at their disposal. Yeah I’m in agreement that she was definitely a victim too 👍🏻
What a top video. I remember this story and it haunted me for a long time. I was brought up in the East end and our street was very similar. A factory making metal boxes across the lane. We had the outside loo and coal shed. Hard times but happy times. Thanks for the video
Very interesting video Eddie, not your usual subject matter. Part of my first degree was psychology and the debate about nature/nurture was ongoing. In this case I get the strong feeling (no science) that nurture played a huge part. I find myself torn whether to be happy or not that she is now living a normal life with a daughter of her own, but this sort of shows (I hope) that she has moved beyond the evil that drove her actions back then.
If it’s part of Tyneside’s history or culture, I’m interested snd I think true crimes is a fascinating area to explore. I agree about the nurture. From 4 years old she was being sexually abused and probably witnessed her mother being strangled and having her mouth smothered. There is a saying though that one is born a psychopath but become a sociopath. I suspect she was probably sociopathic as she has the hallmarks. Fascinating story snd hope you enjoyed it Ian
Born and bred scotswood and mary bell suffered a lot as a child. She only spoke about her upbringing when her mother passed away. The book geta serini crys unheard explains. All about the mindset of a child mary bell. Its all a sad fact of being brought up in poverty. I do believe the community of scotswood were let down and to flatten the place and call it the rise is a kick in the teeth to the people who lived in that community.. Good show eddie.
I moved to scotswood to st Margaret's road in 1971 three years after this happened I used to go to the shop Davies the house Martin was found was a couple of doors off the shop it was demolished by the time we moved there i knew martins mam very well lovrly woman R.I.P June, martin and brian 7:44
I worked with June in the late 80s, in Benwell, and the poor woman would go through torment every time the case was revisited by the press for one reason or another. Not surprised but sorry to see you add RIP to her name.
I was partnered with her throughout my school days she was just another classmate though she did bring pidgeon s to schoolyard and pull their heads off chasing everyone around on two seperate occasions
Vaguely remember this,my dad used to run rye hill youth club,when he took it over he had to walk around with a rounders bat. Some of the lads still had a go at him.He made a great success of it,putting out two football teams that won their leagues. He could have told some tales,he met jimmy saville ,in a layby on the a1,had a picnic,because of his youth work.He went on to mill lane when that was built. Always remember the discos,psychedelic paint and posters,and the scotswood skinheads ,all dressed up and dancing to prince buster in a big circle with their umbrella's
11:36 That's Brian Roycroft who I was privileged to know for a while in the mid 80s It's worthwhile looking up his obituary in the Guardian - very good man.
Some ideas for future true crime videos like this one Eddy that you might want to take on board: - How the Meadow Well disturbance in 1991 lead to the West End of Newcastle. - Mary Elizabeth Wilson last ever woman to be sentenced to life in Durham. - The one-armed bandit murder in 1967
Another great short by Eddie. I ended up living off Armstrong road, in woodlands crescent funnily enough when I was 25 some 35 years ago and the locals still talked about it. sadly they probably don't now since the whole place is virtually non existent.
As you say, poverty, depravation was rife, not just Sctchy, but Benwell and Elawick too. Yes life was tough, and her's was maybe worse than others, but they didn't all turn into vicious killers
Victim. If no problems after release, I’d guess she’s had the most terrible start in life. If that’s the case, I do hope she has come to let all that subside in her world, pick up what she has and enjoy something of life. Informative episode Eddie. I enjoy such episodes. 👍🏻
My Uncle and Auntie and their 5 kids lived on Scotswood ,my Mam would never let me go there to visit ,they lost a Grandchild when his pram was hit by a nicked car which was driven by some teenage lads ...
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That was very well researched and put together Eddy. I grew up in the early 70’s knowing what she did, but never really knowing the circumstances of her upbringing. I can only imagine her living with a controlling, abusive and probably narcissistic parent only fuelled the sociopathic tendencies that would eventually lead to her committing such terrible acts of cruelty and eventually murder of those two innocent souls. A sad story. Thank you for bring the facts to the forefront.
In the 1960s, I worked as a porter/driver at Prudhoe Mental Hospital. I was told to go to Newcastle and pick up two young girls. I picked them up with the hospital mini-bus from a facility in Newcastle. The girls were both very pretty and for the whole journey, they never said a word. I was to drop them off at a home/ward at the Children's Village in the hospital. I believe it was called the Flemming ward. I was never told on that day who these children were, all I knew was they were there to be assessed. When I did find out who they were I was shocked as they appeared to be quiet and well-mannered. I wouldn't have thought they were capable of doing what they did.
I was brought up around this area until I was 11, living off Scotswood Road calling them slums is generous, we would play in these derelict houses, breaking windows, creating general mischief etc, being outside was far better than staying in. I lived in a home with an outside toilet, scullery, front room and a single bed room, for 2 adults and 4 children, there was a fifth but my sister died. I remember this case, I was 13, this young girl was a damaged individual due to her upbringing and early life experiences. Being brought up in this area where poverty was all around was challenging and carried a certain stigma, whether she is or was evil I will leave that to the experts but her early childhood experiences may have played a part.
@@TynesideLife no worries always amused when people say, you could leave your doors open back then... that is because you had nothing worth taken.. ah the good old days 😌
@@davidhoward5392 I was brought up in Fenham in the 60s Gowland Avenue, not far from Scotswood Road and you could leave your door unlocked without worrying about theft, I suppose it depends on where you lived, but agree Scotswood road area was bad...
@@rampakeshbharat1938 where I lived it was slum dwellings all along Scotswood Road, I know Fenham use to occasionally hang around there in my teens, they moved us to Pendower in Benwell. I attended John Marley Comprehensive School and my first job when leaving in 71 at 16, was at Slatyford School, near Denton Burn / Westerhope.
I went to a school close to the scotswood area and a lot of kids living there came to my school. I was scared of those kids, we all were, even the teachers were scared
I'm wondering how much of this story her daughter knows. Maybe she's been told a different story and has no idea? I wouldn't want anything to do with my mother if she'd done this. Thanks for sharing the story Eddy 👍
@@kevinweaver1270 After posting, I did decide to google it and found some recent info about it and for a good few years the child had no idea until circumstances changed and she had to be told by law. Issues with child's father, a new partner to Mary and journalists hounding them. Googling "Mary Bell now" brings a few articles up if you're interested.
@@martianleaderrichy1520 Must have been upsetting to find out your mother was a double child murderer. I wonder if she is still on good terms with her mother or not. Her upbringing Mary Bells must have warped her mind. her mrother should have been jailed for what she put Mary through. But saying that others have had the same upbringing yet they haven't ended up murdering people.
@@kevinweaver1270 the daughter was 14 when she found out as her mother sold her story to Keira serena and the press found out where they were and the had to be moved
Great video Eddie, really informative and good to get a more in depth view of this story, as everyone of a certain age from the north east will recognise the name of Mary Bell, but is not aware of the full story. Looking at the underbelly of the Tyneside area is a great idea, please explore it more!!
As I remember St Margrets Road area was not a slum unlike South Benwell they infact had inside toilets bathrooms and hot water. As for Mary she was taught evil it was practiced on her from the age of four upwards, no child is born evil it is thrust upon them. Just maybe Social Service should have been in the dock they failed Mary and the whole of the community with little consequences to said department. Where ever Mary and her family are living I wish them well its a chapter best kept closed for all concerned.
The context of ‘slum’ was in regards to the area of Scotswood being pulled down during that time, with many dwellings being left derelict and dangerous. There was no intention to make comparisons with other areas. I merely painted the picture of Mary’s upbringing 👍🏻
She is 65 now and was 11 when it happened so it’s been 54 years and she hasn’t reoffended that we know off. That to me saying she’s not a psychopath it was her upbringing.
Mary Bell, the girl from Hell Did her deed in a concrete dell Norma bell was there as well. Two souls lost to urban blight No one to heed their desperate plight. Scissors, a razor, "Lets have some fun" All to be blamed on the "other one" "We Murder!!" By childish hands it said And when it was over, two lads lay dead. One with letters carved into his skin Just so you knew where "they" had been. No compassion given, no compassion felt As Newcastle suffered what Mary had delt They damaged her body, they damaged her mind .........Was it surprising she responded in kind??????
Mary Bells parents have a lot to answer for, have heard the basic story before but not the horrific graphic details you discribed Once released by the system I understand the need for anonymity, of course the Bulger case raises similar issues, this can be a dark world at times
What a fantastic vlog Eddie. My grandparents lived in Roberts Street close to Scotswood Baths and I visited then all through the 60's, 70's and 80's. Never knew this story at all only vaguely knew the name Mary Bell. I do remember I was never allowed to play outside in the street alone when I visited. Only in the back yard with the gate shut.
Fascinating Eddy, cheers for the information, I was born on Fergusons lane in Benwell and my Mam would regularly shout at us kids, "get yersels home noo, otherwise Mary Bell will get you!" Had nae idea of the background and the hellish homelife she had which almost definitely had a massive impact, but that sort of pleasure in others demise I personally think is pure evil and that is something certain people are born with. Cheers canny lad👊
Great video Eddy… i was brought up in Scotswood as a nipper in the late 70s early 80s so everybody used to have a story to tell about Mary Bell. well explained and excellent use of images which have not been available on other mary bell documentaries!
Fun story she lived 3 doors up from me. I was friends with her grandson in nursery and had been to her house a few times. The street found out who she was 3 years ago and she and her family disappeared on Christmas night.
Wicked, utterly wicked. Of those of us with terrible backgrounds, we don't do this to others. To have the psycho planning at that age, she had a vile soul and heart. I've been on the receiving end of this as a child by a child. Theyre not right in the head. No recovery from it.
Remember nearby up in Benwell in the 70's. They were knocking whole streets down, they were a great playground, used to find some interesting stuff up in the lofts. I remember once that my older brother found a bag of soot in one of the outhouses and him and his pals tipped it all over me, I looked like Newcastle's youngest mine worker. My Mam wasn't too happy when I got back in. Sometimes when I'm back in the are around the Strathmore Crescent area I don't recognise the place.
Very interesting video Eddie I grew up in scotswood so I know about Mary bell and the tin Lizzie but your video is very well put together and a lot of those photo’s I hadn’t seen before top job 👌🏻
My sister had an encounter with Mary Bell in a phone box on Delaval Road, she tried to strangle her. This was the summer of 68 and not long before she murdered the two kids. I also remember the Tin Lizzie and the old abandoned bus used as a play den!!! I born in 1963 on Armstrong Road next to Hodkinson Park and went to St Joseph's RC.
Her mom and Dad should have been held responsible also she was a product of her environment she could have had a better life if someone had helped her and took her away from all of that
Hello Eddie I was born in 66 Aldwick Road scotchy ! My mother's told is on many occasions that Mary Bell knocked at our door and asked if she could take me for a walk!Me being a bairn in a pram !
Norma l'ha fatta franca. Non era certo una bambina tarda . Anzi , tutt'altro. Mary è stata vittima del circo mediatico. Semmai era l'opposto. Dove sono le foto di Norma?
Not quite sure how I missed this one , I have never heard of this story before and it must have been very shocking at the time. I have studied in adolescence development and what we do know from studies is that adverse childhood experiences can have an overwhelming impact on the way in which a child grows up, I do feel while she herself was subjected to a horrific up bringing not all that are subjected to events such as hers go on to kill and act out the horrors they endure which then begs the question what makes individuals act out in this way. I feel that what she did can’t solely be down to her adverse childhood trauma. Great video Eddie would love to see more like this!
One of my old neighbours was a serial killer who I met on several occasions so I love true crime stories like this. I went through emotional and physical abuse when I was a kid but I've not gone on to kill anyone. I was described the same way as Mary when I was a kid but back then they didn't know about autism so I was labelled wrong as having n explosive personality disorder. I have all my documents from my childhood and they state I wet the bed and was even ecopretic I think it's called where I used to soil myself. I used to suffer nightmares and still do on occasions and my father basically tortured me and even poisoned me by forcing me to drink vinegar which I originally thought was water. I'm still waiting for counselling 40 years later and keep having to jump through one hope or another and still get nowhere. I wasn't born evil but I was raised in a violent and abusive atmosphere and when my father died in 1989 all the hurt and pain came out and I was "imprisoned" in a children's home which felt like punishment.
Mary, or May as she was known, had an upbringing so cruel and abusive that she was a disaster waiting to happen. She was failed by everyone, including the authorities before and after the murders. How can a child know right from wrong when her prostitute mother makes them do such horrific things with her customers and tried on 2 or 3 occasions to kill her? However, in later years, she has carved out a normal life for herself and her family, finding a partner who understands, loves and protects her. She has never broken the law in any way again.
@@TynesideLife I just came across your channel lad and love it. My Gran lived in the West End with my Mam and Dad, my Mam was pregnant with me at the time. Her terrace was the next one down from Mary's. Everyone knew the Bell's and the tragedy was the reason my Gran moved to Longbenton in 1969. She always called Mary "that poor bairn, May." as everyone knew what her mother was up to. Your video was excellent and unlike most of the others about the case focused on the abuse she went through rather than painting her as born evil. No kid is born evil.
A Pal of mine, sadly passed now, was a bobby on this case. He was present at a couple of the interviews of Mary Bell, to quote "You just knew you were in the presence of evil, she was always one step ahead of the detectives, very sharp and intelligent for her age". However you cannot overlook her upbringing, no easy answer to your question Eddie.
Wasn't there first hand, but no reason to doubt my pal. She was only 11, but clever enough to use her age to her advantage, and knowing many would doubt an 12 y.o. admitting to murder. Double bluff mate
@Trini66648 OK your opinion, but it's just speculation, i think an 11 y.o. capable of murder is a rare/unique case. Any analysis of her motives/contrition, should be left to experts
Oi oi eddy .I've seen your football vlogs and I do like abit of the ald true crime stuff aswell .I remember hearing about her story when I was a youngin so this is canny to find ye doing this. Just adding my two pence.i reckon she was put on that path of evil deeds by her parents.they really messed her head up .it's easy in hindsight to blame the authority figures in her life abit too but aye I think she was driven to insanity by her parents and that's how she became a murderer . 🙈🙉🙊 Cheers eddy 👏🏻 🏴🏳️🐜
She was in my uncles class at school. My Grans house was four doors away. Father and uncles told me about this as a kid. I remember Scotchie in 70s when I used to visit.
I worked with someone of a similar age to Mary in the same area who knew the family. Her mother Betty had alot to answer for I think. I hope Mary managed to turn her life around and has a happy life now with her own family.
I’m old enough to remember this story. It’s interesting to know a bit more about the background. Psychopaths are generally created, I understand, from dramatic events in their life, but with an underlying predilection. They rarely revert, so I was really interested to read that she had a child.
@@Justlookin958 at the taxpayers expense! 😏
Psychopaths are born...
@@dianeoconnor8310 she was a child and put through severe abuse off her mother cuz tax payers like yourself didn't take a blind bit of notice, even though there was enough red flags to start a bull ring business. I mean it's sickening what Mary probably saw and endured at such a young age. She was a victim too, and she still endured abuse in prison. Unless you've lived that life, you can't never judge or should make such remarks, its ignorant. Mary deserved a chance at life too.. and she has showed to everyone that she wasn't evil, she was a traumatised little girl who had NO ONE in her life. She was alone and almost ferrol in many ways due to her mother. she's never reoffended and is a grandmother now at 66.
This is a great video!!! I love your accent!!! It's nice to hear a true crime story from someone who's actually from the area, it makes it a lot more authentic! I've been fascinated by Mary Bell's story since I first discovered it when I was working on a finals project at Cascadia community college! You provided a lot of info that I hadn't known before. I think it was mainly Mary's horrifying and tragic upbringing that made her a psychopath. Well and when you're 11 years old, even for a normal kid, your since of reality is very distorted! So that, plus she was suffering from homicidal tendencies and trauma on top of it! So I would say she couldn't be held completely responsible for her actions. Nobody's born evil, she was made that way. But as of recently, Mary Bell's actually a Grandma now! Her daughter had a kid. So fortunately Mary was able to change and now she has a great life. Which is good, but it's still too bad about those little boys. Betty Bell should've gone to prison for child abuse! It's a very bizarre, demented story!!!!! Awesome video!!!
Thank you very much 🙏 sorry I’ve only just seen this
Sorry I don't agree. Whatever made her that way, she was a calculating clever cold blooded killer. A scycopath.. An 11 Yr old knows right from wrong, knows not to hurt a young child. People like that don't change, however they appear to the outside world. Very scary.
Great video Eddy it’s crazy to think now she’s 65 years old with daughter of her own she had to change identity after she got released when Mary was 23 years old keep the true crime videos coming mate very interesting
As you say Eddy, a fascinating true life crime story. Thank you for documenting this on your channel. Clearly well researched, detailed & informative. More true stories Eddy! 👍
Cheers Graham. Definitely a fascinating story that I could have turned into a one hour documentary!
More to come 🤛🏻
@@TynesideLife exceptional work Eddy 👏future stories ( already looking forward to) chronicled will only enhance your channel, which deserves it's success.....19.7K suscribers there......nearly 20k! Great numbers!
@@grahambell9831 thanks again Graham 🤛🏻
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Having been brought up in a very toxic family i can honestly say nobody is born evil but they do become or can become evil due to what happens behind closed doors.
While i finally managed to walk away from it all i still have the mental and physical scars that run very deep and know i've got complex ptsd which i can finally or hopefully can control and i'm now in my mid fifties yet they still to this day try to destroy what i've worked for given the chance which is why non of them know who i work for or where..
Nobody knows what evil goes on behind closed doors until the victim speaks out
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Fascinating, I lived in this area for a couple of years before moving to a new house in Longbenton. This was 1960 /61, and we did general mayhem among the derelict houses. The street was Enfield Road, 2 rooms gas lighting, a back yard, tap outside along with toilet. It was grim, but I didnt sense any violence. I think we moved at the right time, because the drug scene was just appearing, so things were going downhill. Thanks for another lovely Video, shook up my memory cells a bit.
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Looking forward to the series, great video Eddy👍
It’s my understanding, that with help , she lived a law abiding adult life, bringing up her daughter. She too was a victim. Never had a chance. Sympathies to the grieving families, but to her also. Really good video. Not sure her current location, however vague, should have been given out. I’m sure she doesn’t need any attention.
Anyone with a mere casual interest and a rudimentary Google search can discover she’s ‘probably’ in the North East. I’m not revealing anything Raymond.
Anyone determined to find her will have other tools at their disposal.
Yeah I’m in agreement that she was definitely a victim too 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife i thought she was living in america
Very proffesional account Eddie, informative and interesting. Hopefully you can make this a regular feature.
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What a top video. I remember this story and it haunted me for a long time. I was brought up in the East end and our street was very similar. A factory making metal boxes across the lane. We had the outside loo and coal shed. Hard times but happy times. Thanks for the video
Thank you 😊
Very interesting video Eddie, not your usual subject matter. Part of my first degree was psychology and the debate about nature/nurture was ongoing. In this case I get the strong feeling (no science) that nurture played a huge part. I find myself torn whether to be happy or not that she is now living a normal life with a daughter of her own, but this sort of shows (I hope) that she has moved beyond the evil that drove her actions back then.
If it’s part of Tyneside’s history or culture, I’m interested snd I think true crimes is a fascinating area to explore.
I agree about the nurture. From 4 years old she was being sexually abused and probably witnessed her mother being strangled and having her mouth smothered.
There is a saying though that one is born a psychopath but become a sociopath. I suspect she was probably sociopathic as she has the hallmarks.
Fascinating story snd hope you enjoyed it Ian
Born and bred scotswood and mary bell suffered a lot as a child. She only spoke about her upbringing when her mother passed away. The book geta serini crys unheard explains. All about the mindset of a child mary bell. Its all a sad fact of being brought up in poverty. I do believe the community of scotswood were let down and to flatten the place and call it the rise is a kick in the teeth to the people who lived in that community..
Good show eddie.
I moved to scotswood to st Margaret's road in 1971 three years after this happened I used to go to the shop Davies the house Martin was found was a couple of doors off the shop it was demolished by the time we moved there i knew martins mam very well lovrly woman R.I.P June, martin and brian 7:44
I worked with June in the late 80s, in Benwell, and the poor woman would go through torment every time the case was revisited by the press for one reason or another. Not surprised but sorry to see you add RIP to her name.
She tried to strangle me on three or four occasions. I was 4 or 5 years old at the time.
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My god!
I was partnered with her throughout my school days she was just another classmate though she did bring pidgeon s to schoolyard and pull their heads off chasing everyone around on two seperate occasions
How did you react when you found out what she’d been doing?
@@TynesideLife couldn’t really believe it seemed strange they were blaming her
another greatly informative, knowledgeable video, like I said when I seen you today keep it going
Thanks again 🙏
Defo another avenue to explore Eddy 👍
Absolutely brilliant Eddy
This was a sad story all around - for the perpetrator and the victims. A god-awful tragedy.
Vaguely remember this,my dad used to run rye hill youth club,when he took it over he had to walk around with a rounders bat. Some of the lads still had a go at him.He made a great success of it,putting out two football teams that won their leagues. He could have told some tales,he met jimmy saville ,in a layby on the a1,had a picnic,because of his youth work.He went on to mill lane when that was built. Always remember the discos,psychedelic paint and posters,and the scotswood skinheads ,all dressed up and dancing to prince buster in a big circle with their umbrella's
11:36 That's Brian Roycroft who I was privileged to know for a while in the mid 80s It's worthwhile looking up his obituary in the Guardian - very good man.
A lot of kids are horribly abused and don’t kill. She never should have been released.
Some ideas for future true crime videos like this one Eddy that you might want to take on board:
- How the Meadow Well disturbance in 1991 lead to the West End of Newcastle.
- Mary Elizabeth Wilson last ever woman to be sentenced to life in Durham.
- The one-armed bandit murder in 1967
Cheers Lee 👍🏻
The mass shooting by Robert Sartin in Monkseaton in the late 80s. Britain's 3rd mass shooting.
Another great short by Eddie. I ended up living off Armstrong road, in woodlands crescent funnily enough when I was 25 some 35 years ago and the locals still talked about it. sadly they probably don't now since the whole place is virtually non existent.
As you say, poverty, depravation was rife, not just Sctchy, but Benwell and Elawick too. Yes life was tough, and her's was maybe worse than others, but they didn't all turn into vicious killers
Don't forget byker, walker and vertually every area in Newcastle back in those days.
It was a tough place to live where ever u were.
Enjoyed that Eddie cheers 🤛👍
Victim. If no problems after release, I’d guess she’s had the most terrible start in life. If that’s the case, I do hope she has come to let all that subside in her world, pick up what she has and enjoy something of life. Informative episode Eddie. I enjoy such episodes. 👍🏻
Cheers Steven 👊🏻👍🏻
I imagine you'll be doing one about the murder of Viv Graham too Eddy.
Not sure Paul 🤷🏻♂️
Very chilling story indeed 😮
My Uncle and Auntie and their 5 kids lived on Scotswood ,my Mam would never let me go there to visit ,they lost a Grandchild when his pram was hit by a nicked car which was driven by some teenage lads ...
Very interesting Eddy.
Cheers Kev 👊🏻👍🏻
Her up bringing done that to her
Sad story all-round, their is so much their to unravel, bad start in life, but taken people's life's you still i think no that it is wrong.
More please eddy
History of the bridges on the Tyne Eddie .
Done it Marc 👍🏻
Just watched it Eddie tremendous mate . Loads of people on UA-cam don't reply to people you do mate . Honestly mate your channel is great well done .
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It just shows looks can be decieving.. all cute looking but terror inside
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That was very well researched and put together Eddy. I grew up in the early 70’s knowing what she did, but never really knowing the circumstances of her upbringing.
I can only imagine her living with a controlling, abusive and probably narcissistic parent only fuelled the sociopathic tendencies that would eventually lead to her committing such terrible acts of cruelty and eventually murder of those two innocent souls.
A sad story. Thank you for bring the facts to the forefront.
In the 1960s, I worked as a porter/driver at Prudhoe Mental Hospital. I was told to go to Newcastle and pick up two young girls. I picked them up with the hospital mini-bus from a facility in Newcastle. The girls were both very pretty and for the whole journey, they never said a word. I was to drop them off at a home/ward at the Children's Village in the hospital. I believe it was called the Flemming ward. I was never told on that day who these children were, all I knew was they were there to be assessed. When I did find out who they were I was shocked as they appeared to be quiet and well-mannered. I wouldn't have thought they were capable of doing what they did.
I was brought up around this area until I was 11, living off Scotswood Road calling them slums is generous, we would play in these derelict houses, breaking windows, creating general mischief etc, being outside was far better than staying in. I lived in a home with an outside toilet, scullery, front room and a single bed room, for 2 adults and 4 children, there was a fifth but my sister died. I remember this case, I was 13, this young girl was a damaged individual due to her upbringing and early life experiences. Being brought up in this area where poverty was all around was challenging and carried a certain stigma, whether she is or was evil I will leave that to the experts but her early childhood experiences may have played a part.
Thanks for sharing David 🤛🏻
@@TynesideLife no worries always amused when people say, you could leave your doors open back then... that is because you had nothing worth taken.. ah the good old days 😌
@@davidhoward5392 I was brought up in Fenham in the 60s Gowland Avenue, not far from Scotswood Road and you could leave your door unlocked without worrying about theft, I suppose it depends on where you lived, but agree Scotswood road area was bad...
@@rampakeshbharat1938 where I lived it was slum dwellings all along Scotswood Road, I know Fenham use to occasionally hang around there in my teens, they moved us to Pendower in Benwell. I attended John Marley Comprehensive School and my first job when leaving in 71 at 16, was at Slatyford School, near Denton Burn / Westerhope.
I went to a school close to the scotswood area and a lot of kids living there came to my school. I was scared of those kids, we all were, even the teachers were scared
Eddy I hope you do more true crime videos in the future because I really enjoy learning about topics like this especially with it been local.
I'm wondering how much of this story her daughter knows. Maybe she's been told a different story and has no idea? I wouldn't want anything to do with my mother if she'd done this. Thanks for sharing the story Eddy 👍
If she has a different identity, the daughter may not even know the name Bell.
@@kevinweaver1270 After posting, I did decide to google it and found some recent info about it and for a good few years the child had no idea until circumstances changed and she had to be told by law. Issues with child's father, a new partner to Mary and journalists hounding them. Googling "Mary Bell now" brings a few articles up if you're interested.
@@martianleaderrichy1520 Must have been upsetting to find out your mother was a double child murderer. I wonder if she is still on good terms with her mother or not.
Her upbringing Mary Bells must have warped her mind. her mrother should have been jailed for what she put Mary through.
But saying that others have had the same upbringing yet they haven't ended up murdering people.
She apparently lived in wideopen before people found out, the same time as her daughter I belive
@@kevinweaver1270 the daughter was 14 when she found out as her mother sold her story to Keira serena and the press found out where they were and the had to be moved
My second name is Bell and my family has always lived in the North East. I pray to God I'm not distantly related to her haha
The bells are a revenge family ,like a clan,from the borders,I knew alot of bells. There's also some famous ones,like Alexander Graham bell
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Great video Eddie, really informative and good to get a more in depth view of this story, as everyone of a certain age from the north east will recognise the name of Mary Bell, but is not aware of the full story. Looking at the underbelly of the Tyneside area is a great idea, please explore it more!!
no video games or violent films to blame for her crimes. If your a killer you`re a killer period.
Nice one Eddy, loved this. Definitely looking forward to more true crime.
As I remember St Margrets Road area was not a slum unlike South Benwell they infact had inside toilets bathrooms and hot water. As for Mary she was taught evil it was practiced on her from the age of four upwards, no child is born evil it is thrust upon them. Just maybe Social Service should have been in the dock they failed Mary and the whole of the community with little consequences to said department.
Where ever Mary and her family are living I wish them well its a chapter best kept closed for all concerned.
The context of ‘slum’ was in regards to the area of Scotswood being pulled down during that time, with many dwellings being left derelict and dangerous.
There was no intention to make comparisons with other areas. I merely painted the picture of Mary’s upbringing 👍🏻
She is 65 now and was 11 when it happened so it’s been 54 years and she hasn’t reoffended that we know off. That to me saying she’s not a psychopath it was her upbringing.
Mary Bell, the girl from Hell
Did her deed in a concrete dell
Norma bell was there as well.
Two souls lost to urban blight
No one to heed their desperate plight.
Scissors, a razor, "Lets have some fun"
All to be blamed on the "other one"
"We Murder!!" By childish hands it said
And when it was over, two lads lay dead.
One with letters carved into his skin
Just so you knew where "they" had been.
No compassion given, no compassion felt
As Newcastle suffered what Mary had delt
They damaged her body, they damaged her mind
.........Was it surprising she responded in kind??????
Great poem 👍🏻
Mary Bells parents have a lot to answer for, have heard the basic story before but not the horrific graphic details you discribed
Once released by the system I understand the need for anonymity, of course the Bulger case raises similar issues, this can be a dark world at times
A young girl who was in pain from a very very traumatic upbringing no child should have to go through. Hurt people hurt people unfortunately :(
What a fantastic vlog Eddie. My grandparents lived in Roberts Street close to Scotswood Baths and I visited then all through the 60's, 70's and 80's. Never knew this story at all only vaguely knew the name Mary Bell. I do remember I was never allowed to play outside in the street alone when I visited. Only in the back yard with the gate shut.
Your grandparents looked after you. The kids in that area where no joke
Fascinating Eddy, cheers for the information, I was born on Fergusons lane in Benwell and my Mam would regularly shout at us kids, "get yersels home noo, otherwise Mary Bell will get you!" Had nae idea of the background and the hellish homelife she had which almost definitely had a massive impact, but that sort of pleasure in others demise I personally think is pure evil and that is something certain people are born with. Cheers canny lad👊
Great message Ant 👍🏻
Great video Eddy… i was brought up in Scotswood as a nipper in the late 70s early 80s so everybody used to have a story to tell about Mary Bell. well explained and excellent use of images which have not been available on other mary bell documentaries!
Brilliant video Eddie, informative and very professional. Good job mate your channel is one of the best 👍
Thank you 🙏
I think she was a victim of her upbringing her mother caused most of it I think
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Should have never been released
What’s your view on her upbringing?
yes agree because how is this different to the James Bulger case?
Fun story she lived 3 doors up from me. I was friends with her grandson in nursery and had been to her house a few times. The street found out who she was 3 years ago and she and her family disappeared on Christmas night.
Was this in Newcastle
Aye up in throckley.
@@scottreddy9155 Christ so I was living near her at one point. Probably walked past her in the street haha
@@t5y00 aye scared the hell out of me when I found out especially with my age and her history.
@@scottreddy9155 how old are u like Scott? 6?? 😂
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I’ll check it out cheers John 👍🏻
Wicked, utterly wicked. Of those of us with terrible backgrounds, we don't do this to others. To have the psycho planning at that age, she had a vile soul and heart. I've been on the receiving end of this as a child by a child. Theyre not right in the head. No recovery from it.
Remember nearby up in Benwell in the 70's. They were knocking whole streets down, they were a great playground, used to find some interesting stuff up in the lofts.
I remember once that my older brother found a bag of soot in one of the outhouses and him and his pals tipped it all over me, I looked like Newcastle's youngest mine worker. My Mam wasn't too happy when I got back in.
Sometimes when I'm back in the are around the Strathmore Crescent area I don't recognise the place.
Great memories Neil 👍🏻
Hope you do more true crime.
Good vid, be great to see more around true crime. ✊
Remember Mary Bell being in Prudhoe Hospital for a time too
Another fab video Eddy! Would love to see more true crime videos from our local area!
Very interesting video Eddie I grew up in scotswood so I know about Mary bell and the tin Lizzie but your video is very well put together and a lot of those photo’s I hadn’t seen before top job 👌🏻
Cheers Kevin 🤛🏻
My sister had an encounter with Mary Bell in a phone box on Delaval Road, she tried to strangle her. This was the summer of 68 and not long before she murdered the two kids. I also remember the Tin Lizzie and the old abandoned bus used as a play den!!! I born in 1963 on Armstrong Road next to Hodkinson Park and went to St Joseph's RC.
@@JohnSmith-ng9lothank god your sister got away.
Her mom and Dad should have been held responsible also she was a product of her environment she could have had a better life if someone had helped her and took her away from all of that
Eddie, fantastic work on the true crime video! Would love to see more. 👍
Thanks for this video Eddy mate.
My pleasure Scott 🤛🏻
Hello Eddie I was born in 66 Aldwick Road scotchy ! My mother's told is on many occasions that Mary Bell knocked at our door and asked if she could take me for a walk!Me being a bairn in a pram !
And you live to tell the tale 😅
Norma l'ha fatta franca. Non era certo una bambina tarda . Anzi , tutt'altro. Mary è stata vittima del circo mediatico. Semmai era l'opposto. Dove sono le foto di Norma?
Evil person. Interesting one Eddie. A bit like myra Hindley
I wonder where she is now? Also great video.
Well researched and interesting video.
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Thanks for making
Top stuff this like, shocking but fascinating, do some videos on criminal gangs of Newcastle, make a series of it, the strongest gangs of each decade
Absolutely brilliant Eddy
This is very well done… good work with the clips and pics… your narration was clear and concise… love the channel 🍻🖤🤍
Another great vid ed 👍
Not quite sure how I missed this one , I have never heard of this story before and it must have been very shocking at the time. I have studied in adolescence development and what we do know from studies is that adverse childhood experiences can have an overwhelming impact on the way in which a child grows up, I do feel while she herself was subjected to a horrific up bringing not all that are subjected to events such as hers go on to kill and act out the horrors they endure which then begs the question what makes individuals act out in this way. I feel that what she did can’t solely be down to her adverse childhood trauma. Great video Eddie would love to see more like this!
Odd to say good video to this, but good video 😅
I like the expanded topics you've looked at recently
That’s appreciated thank you 🙏 😅
Wow!!!! Proper chilling story that, Ed! Really enjoyed it. Would love to see more.
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One of my old neighbours was a serial killer who I met on several occasions so I love true crime stories like this.
I went through emotional and physical abuse when I was a kid but I've not gone on to kill anyone.
I was described the same way as Mary when I was a kid but back then they didn't know about autism so I was labelled wrong as having n explosive personality disorder.
I have all my documents from my childhood and they state I wet the bed and was even ecopretic I think it's called where I used to soil myself.
I used to suffer nightmares and still do on occasions and my father basically tortured me and even poisoned me by forcing me to drink vinegar which I originally thought was water.
I'm still waiting for counselling 40 years later and keep having to jump through one hope or another and still get nowhere.
I wasn't born evil but I was raised in a violent and abusive atmosphere and when my father died in 1989 all the hurt and pain came out and I was "imprisoned" in a children's home which felt like punishment.
Mary, or May as she was known, had an upbringing so cruel and abusive that she was a disaster waiting to happen. She was failed by everyone, including the authorities before and after the murders.
How can a child know right from wrong when her prostitute mother makes them do such horrific things with her customers and tried on 2 or 3 occasions to kill her?
However, in later years, she has carved out a normal life for herself and her family, finding a partner who understands, loves and protects her.
She has never broken the law in any way again.
Thank you for sharing David. I hope my video did the story justice 👍🏻
@@TynesideLife I just came across your channel lad and love it.
My Gran lived in the West End with my Mam and Dad, my Mam was pregnant with me at the time. Her terrace was the next one down from Mary's. Everyone knew the Bell's and the tragedy was the reason my Gran moved to Longbenton in 1969.
She always called Mary "that poor bairn, May." as everyone knew what her mother was up to.
Your video was excellent and unlike most of the others about the case focused on the abuse she went through rather than painting her as born evil. No kid is born evil.
@@davidrobinson2776 thank you again David 🙏
You may like the video I released last week about the West End and its history
A Pal of mine, sadly passed now, was a bobby on this case.
He was present at a couple of the interviews of Mary Bell, to quote "You just knew you were in the presence of evil, she was always one step ahead of the detectives, very sharp and intelligent for her age".
However you cannot overlook her upbringing, no easy answer to your question Eddie.
Thanks for sharing that Vic. Fascinating stuff
She wasn’t that intelligent, she was openly admitting it and trying to get caught.
Wasn't there first hand, but no reason to doubt my pal.
She was only 11, but clever enough to use her age to her advantage, and knowing many would doubt an 12 y.o. admitting to murder.
Double bluff mate
@@johnsovx no I think she wanted to get caught and wanted attention.
@Trini66648 OK your opinion, but it's just speculation, i think an 11 y.o. capable of murder is a rare/unique case.
Any analysis of her motives/contrition, should be left to experts
My gran new her!
Oh wow!
Oi oi eddy .I've seen your football vlogs and I do like abit of the ald true crime stuff aswell .I remember hearing about her story when I was a youngin so this is canny to find ye doing this.
Just adding my two pence.i reckon she was put on that path of evil deeds by her parents.they really messed her head up .it's easy in hindsight to blame the authority figures in her life abit too but aye I think she was driven to insanity by her parents and that's how she became a murderer .
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Cheers eddy 👏🏻
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She was in my uncles class at school.
My Grans house was four doors away.
Father and uncles told me about this as a kid.
I remember Scotchie in 70s when I used to visit.
The Turnbulls Taxi incident was around 1975/6. For obvious reasons I will not go into the exact circumstances of the sssault
I worked with someone of a similar age to Mary in the same area who knew the family. Her mother Betty had alot to answer for I think.
I hope Mary managed to turn her life around and has a happy life now with her own family.
Two very poor role models...infact the worst, the poor kid didnt stand a chance, although that gives no justification for what she did.
EDDY I BELIEVE Mary was in South Moor Stanley after release
Evil What she did but I think she did change her life around when she got released.
I remember this well Eddy tragedy mate I had an aunt who lived in Scotswood remember standing with my cousin watching the houses being demolished
She was given a house near to Haltwgistle
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Damn really? Near there ? Other comments saying she’s still somewhere near Tyneside.
@@GalacticExplorer83 definitely Haltwhistle!
parents were not good role models but she did kill two innocent little boys
Yeah local crime makes a great video so please keep doing them
Another great video mate o also remember this case 👍🏽