Thank you @MrElectron I tried this with an old Alternator, Power supply to the armature and 12v and 24Vdc to a cheap BLDC controller off Amazon - I am learning a lot - great to repurpose these brilliant machines!
The easiest way to get the end with the brushes back on is to push the brushes into the housing and put a straightened out paper clip in that hole to hold the brushes retracted. Once the cover is on, pull the paperclip and the allow the brushes to drop into place.
This is the best video in its class the only one that actually took the time to give pertinent details to the technology and I agree with one of the comments replace the windings go with permanent magnet MarkMannM2
Thank you so much for these types of information that help me and others who need to learn everyday. The more we know the better this world will become. By sharing simple things it makes life easy for those who needs it.
You never tap a cover on to seat the brushes.....it will chip or break the brushes. That hole in the top of the brush holder is for that...you push the brushes back into the holder, insert a straightened paper clip, slide on the cover until it fully seats and then remove the paper clip, allowing the brushes to seat safely onto the slip rings.
Finally the alternator wired properly and powered !!! Like the good style content,,,,, think an 7 volt lithium can power an alternator windings ?is 12 the number,,,
Great video I'm wondering if this could be used in a car audio setup like if I mounted the alternator on a piece of wood running to a lithium bank and converted the alternator to put out a DC current could I charge my lithium bank and or batteries like this using the cars electrical to power the alternator I'm completely clueless when it comes to stuff like this and I've been gone for a long time over 10 years when I left an extra battery in the trunk was doing big things in car audio now everybody's got massive lithium Banks ultra cap Banks lto batteries you name it but they're powering all of that with high output alternators but in my case I've got a newer version car a 2019 Toyota Camry that has a newer electronics build where the computer keeps you from adding a high output alternator to your vehicle so I'm trying to figure out a way to create an alternate source of power in the trunk so that I can put any kind of system I want in my car and I'm not limited and to be honest nobody in car audio knows anything about this because most of them have a vehicle that they can just put a high output alternator onI however don't have a vehicle like that so I'm trying to figure out some way to charge a lithium bank if I got one or lithium batteries without having to do some major conversion to my engine and car computer system any advice would be greatly appreciated or if you know of someone who makes a setup or something like what I'm talking about and can point me in the right direction anything would help I'm at a loss and don't know enough about electrical to attempt it without help
You need to connect the coils into a delta configuration to improve the performence of the motor cause in a delta configuration the motor use the 100% of the voltage and improve the start torque
Nice video sir! For clarification sir, will you please tell us again what winding is that, the one that you left unwired, and the three other windings that you connected to the controller. Is it possible to connect the controller to the 12 volts battery for its power supply.
This 3-phase DC> AC conççverters turn into a brushed BLDC motor, and this auto alternator can also be converted into a brushless BLDC motor. Then N-S-N-S- in the middle with the neodium magnets. This can be accomplished by slicing (irons in the form of mutual fingers surrounding the electromagnet rotating in the middle are also magnetized when DC current is given in N-S-N-S. form). Thus, when 12 volt DC is not supplied over the battery> brush> rings, the permanent permanent magnet is supplied with a 3-phase AC current inverter with a rotor (the brushes are removed from the bracelets in this case) and this alternator speed is adjusted as BLDC. The hub, that is, in the BLDC motors, the 3-phase windings in the core are stationary and the magnetic ring surrounding it rotates, while this time the magnet rotor inside is rotated when it is applied by controlling the 3-phase currents with a potentiometer from the inverter. Good luck with.
I'd like to know why you also had to connect a charger to the controller if it's only supposed to be a 12v motor. Does that mean that you have to have 2 12v batteries hooked to it to power a bike?
What if you want to hook it straight to a 12v battery without the controls could you hook the 3 wire to the red wire together and the other to ground will that work
Nice job! How did you determine the sequence of the three phases of the alternator? Those have to match the sequence generated by the controller, otherwise the motor will not run properly.
How much torque does it produce? would it do to use for bicycles? thank you I've enjoyed your channel for a couple years and have boosted my electrical knowledge thanks so much
Hi, if you use a belt and run another similar alternator through this one, can you sue that 2nd alternator's output to charge the battery? Trying to make it self runinig and charging system?
with the car alternator if I use and place 2 car batteries on top of the bike connected together with the speed controller will I have a good result? I had this idea for such a long time and I've been riding an electric bicycle so that with the 2 car batteries I have a very long range
Hi Mr. Electron, I'm not a an electrician and do not know anything about electric but I'm trying to learn how to convert an old alternator to e-bike motor. Here I see you're using a laptop charger to power your controller, can you tell me where you connect the other cable of the charger to? Thank you, appreciate your time.
Mr electrons,I want to know is it possible to run alternators with batteries alone, Secondly, since the field winding need to be excited and the brush need 12 volts to run the alternator as a DC motor to pull another generator for light
I have a controller with just two wires input power to controller and two wire output to DC MOTOR. How do I connect this, seeing yours has 3wires for the 3 phase?
As I previously posted in part 1, this can be done by using an aftermarket permanent magnet rotating field or waste power applying power to the rotating field and yes you would use ALL three paired stationary stator windings driving them with a three phase motor controller, it would have to be a really big 100A controller. Of course this is fine if you just want to tinker/play around, otherwise it is really a waste of time, might just as well use a starter, something that was designed to be a motor in the first place. Then again if you could integrate it into your vehicle accessory belt drive system, you could use it to give a little extra horsepower for going up hills...Ford actually already has a system like that.
one more comment please recommend a good low cost controller for this application please recommend one or maybe two controllers that you like for ease of application and good cost to value ratio thank you .MarkMannM2
so i was reading a guy uses only 12v to the stator and a varying volts (upto 4v) at the rotor to control the tourque and rpm in a buggy carrying 3 people, incredible power output for 12v. IM wondering if this is the same as running higher voltage for example 48v stator with say a 12v rotor ? since these motors are variable field ? wanting to know if i can use a 12v 100a rc brushless controller to get a good power output from this motor?(12x100=1200w) or will i need a 1200w bldc motor controller running 48v
which one consumes more power? the stator battery connected? or the bldc controller? can you just put one battery power to both? i mean parallel the power of the controller and the stator? also what type of controller is that? can i use this alternator to my propeller to my Electric Boat project as the motor? I highly appreciate your answer...
Hi, nice video. I think it is the future of converted petrol bike to e-bike. Also you can make some test like brake test, to measure its torque. Keep on track dude!
Great and clear explanation. I'll try this but the linked controller is only run at 20Amp and 500w so can this Alternator pull a small kid's kart? Have you try to run the motor longer than an hour? if the controller will not burn?
Thanks for This Very Good Video. Question, , with an Alternator like that on this video... Once you converted into a motor.. What's the Power in Watts or HP.,???. Thanks.
@@MrElectron a 2.5 HP. gas Motor Have @ like a 100 cc motor. or So. @ 40cc = 1 HP = 750 watts So this 2 HP E. eng. Will Have a 1500 watts and Similar Power of a 80cc eng.
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How much RPM this setup
Please modify star connection to delta connection
Hi, I wanna use it in a single speed, could you provide a diagram or say what polarity the coils wires are? Thanks
Olá David x, respondendo do Brasil. Sem controlador NÃO funciona.
Can it run directly from PV? Why is the speed controller necessary?
Thank you @MrElectron I tried this with an old Alternator, Power supply to the armature and 12v and 24Vdc to a cheap BLDC controller off Amazon - I am learning a lot - great to repurpose these brilliant machines!
You KNOW this dude is hard core when he pulls out the drill with the old school chuck!
Glad you didn’t make the mistake of cleaning out the dirt and grim before reassembly as these motors/alternators won’t work without the dirt.
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The easiest way to get the end with the brushes back on is to push the brushes into the housing and put a straightened out paper clip in that hole to hold the brushes retracted. Once the cover is on, pull the paperclip and the allow the brushes to drop into place.
Thanks,i want to build a 4 wheel dump cart, low rpm high torque and this looks like the right direction
This is the best video in its class the only one that actually took the time to give pertinent details to the technology and I agree with one of the comments replace the windings go with permanent magnet MarkMannM2
good to see proper use of pliers
Best description.
Tak you very much for theaching us.
It's my pleasure 😊
Thank Mr erectrn for the idea
Olá. Adorei o vídeo, eu entendi vendo, só vou tentar traduzir a sua explicação... obrigado top.
New DIY
It's a nice, high-quality work. I really like.
Thank you so much for these types of information that help me and others who need to learn everyday.
The more we know the better this world will become. By sharing simple things it makes life easy for those who needs it.
Thank you so much Mr Electron
You never tap a cover on to seat the brushes.....it will chip or break the brushes. That hole in the top of the brush holder is for that...you push the brushes back into the holder, insert a straightened paper clip, slide on the cover until it fully seats and then remove the paper clip, allowing the brushes to seat safely onto the slip rings.
Thanks man, now I can rewrite an alternator for an electric lawnmower
Finally the alternator wired properly and powered !!! Like the good style content,,,,, think an 7 volt lithium can power an alternator windings ?is 12 the number,,,
Excellent. Great tutorial. I now understand how it works.
Hiii , thank you for spreading your worthy knowledge, hope you make a video soon on the making of controller circuit
Y u didnt used single 12v battery for powering both sides
awesome project and the explaination approach is simple to understand . keep on the good works
Great video I'm wondering if this could be used in a car audio setup like if I mounted the alternator on a piece of wood running to a lithium bank and converted the alternator to put out a DC current could I charge my lithium bank and or batteries like this using the cars electrical to power the alternator I'm completely clueless when it comes to stuff like this and I've been gone for a long time over 10 years when I left an extra battery in the trunk was doing big things in car audio now everybody's got massive lithium Banks ultra cap Banks lto batteries you name it but they're powering all of that with high output alternators but in my case I've got a newer version car a 2019 Toyota Camry that has a newer electronics build where the computer keeps you from adding a high output alternator to your vehicle so I'm trying to figure out a way to create an alternate source of power in the trunk so that I can put any kind of system I want in my car and I'm not limited and to be honest nobody in car audio knows anything about this because most of them have a vehicle that they can just put a high output alternator onI however don't have a vehicle like that so I'm trying to figure out some way to charge a lithium bank if I got one or lithium batteries without having to do some major conversion to my engine and car computer system any advice would be greatly appreciated or if you know of someone who makes a setup or something like what I'm talking about and can point me in the right direction anything would help I'm at a loss and don't know enough about electrical to attempt it without help
Very nice video next video make with accilater
Am I correct in saying that you still use the brushes to supply the rotor...so my question is why is it labelled as a bldc.
Normally in actual bldc motors the field windings are replaced with permanent magnates
Thank you so much man saved alot money for my new project reverse gear and initial launch car ..... when i will complete it i'll share my words again
@Darkside Gamer no bro ....
Crazy!!!! Brother, I like very much
You need to connect the coils into a delta configuration to improve the performence of the motor cause in a delta configuration the motor use the 100% of the voltage and improve the start torque
Nice circut where did you get the three phase circuit?
Amazon they are cheap
What the purpose of that black box where did it connected?
Nice video sir! For clarification sir, will you please tell us again what winding is that, the one that you left unwired, and the three other windings that you connected to the controller. Is it possible to connect the controller to the 12 volts battery for its power supply.
Se puede usar en un carro eléctrico para niños...?? Cuánto tiempo dura la carga de las baterías...??
Is it possible to use the rectifier diode to power the rotor coil so it doesnt need an external dc source?
Thank. Very like tecnikly work
I. M very lick.
Uhmm...intresting...because of the wiring size, alternator can be very powerful motor if modified!!!
Well done!
Yeah ! THANKS
Good day sir can rotate any rotation of this motor thank you Godbless
Brilliant.. Thanks..👍👍👍
Where can i buy the plate
Good work family
Legal, mas diz alto torque quanto newton-metro (N.m)? E também quantos HPs?
Mr Electrón, i am Rigot Andre your student
Really cool Video! How do you come up with such great ideas? It's incredible...
What if you connected the controller to the 12v battery too?
Which one input and output??
Can you tell me why you don't use a laptop charger for the entire connection???
This 3-phase DC> AC conççverters turn into a brushed BLDC motor, and this auto alternator can also be converted into a brushless BLDC motor. Then N-S-N-S- in the middle with the neodium magnets. This can be accomplished by slicing (irons in the form of mutual fingers surrounding the electromagnet rotating in the middle are also magnetized when DC current is given in N-S-N-S. form). Thus, when 12 volt DC is not supplied over the battery> brush> rings, the permanent permanent magnet is supplied with a 3-phase AC current inverter with a rotor (the brushes are removed from the bracelets in this case) and this alternator speed is adjusted as BLDC. The hub, that is, in the BLDC motors, the 3-phase windings in the core are stationary and the magnetic ring surrounding it rotates, while this time the magnet rotor inside is rotated when it is applied by controlling the 3-phase currents with a potentiometer from the inverter. Good luck with.
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I'd like to know why you also had to connect a charger to the controller if it's only supposed to be a 12v motor. Does that mean that you have to have 2 12v batteries hooked to it to power a bike?
Why do you use 2 batteries, since they have the same voltage? (approximately)
What if you want to hook it straight to a 12v battery without the controls could you hook the 3 wire to the red wire together and the other to ground will that work
I have question Sir, 12v battery it can power enough for ebike conversion ?
Brow..u can add a high wattage resistance or rheostate in armature circuit..which will improve/control the starting
Nice job!
How did you determine the sequence of the three phases of the alternator? Those have to match the sequence generated by the controller, otherwise the motor will not run properly.
With this circuit, you don't need to match the 3 phase sequence.. The circuit automatically adapts RYB
Thanks for your answer!
@@MrElectron how can i buy this type off motor plzz tell mee i need
Nice video! How many hours can run for a fullcharge battery?
How much torque does it produce? would it do to use for bicycles? thank you I've enjoyed your channel for a couple years and have boosted my electrical knowledge thanks so much
The armature voltage effects the torque/rpm ratio
Hi, do you have parts number for the controller eBay or Amazon? Thanks
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Can we not use same battery to supply both the controller and the armature?
If I use alternater as motor like this, to make bicycle to make it e-bicycle what capacity of alternater you recommend to me sir.
From brasil 🇧🇷🤔👍👌
excellent dude...going to do the same same...the future is electric...elon musk..
Is speed controller really needed? I was thinking of putting this to power my Bike and I am ok with only one speed
Best vedio in your vedios
Very well told.
Hi, if you use a belt and run another similar alternator through this one, can you sue that 2nd alternator's output to charge the battery? Trying to make it self runinig and charging system?
Did you check the armature windings for heat or was the alternator normal temperature after running it with the controller?
with the car alternator if I use and place 2 car batteries on top of the bike connected together with the speed controller will I have a good result? I had this idea for such a long time and I've been riding an electric bicycle so that with the 2 car batteries I have a very long range
Hi Can i use 2 alimentation to the same motor and Switch automaticly between
Hi Mr. Electron, I'm not a an electrician and do not know anything about electric but I'm trying to learn how to convert an old alternator to e-bike motor. Here I see you're using a laptop charger to power your controller, can you tell me where you connect the other cable of the charger to? Thank you, appreciate your time.
Can we use only single battery for both the armature and stator terminals
Mr electrons,I want to know is it possible to run alternators with batteries alone,
Secondly, since the field winding need to be excited and the brush need 12 volts to run the alternator as a DC motor to pull another generator for light
I have a controller with just two wires input power to controller and two wire output to DC MOTOR. How do I connect this, seeing yours has 3wires for the 3 phase?
Good night. Can I put a single heatsink for the 6 transistors?
As I previously posted in part 1, this can be done by using an aftermarket permanent magnet rotating field or waste power applying power to the rotating field and yes you would use ALL three paired stationary stator windings driving them with a three phase motor controller, it would have to be a really big 100A controller.
Of course this is fine if you just want to tinker/play around, otherwise it is really a waste of time, might just as well use a starter, something that was designed to be a motor in the first place.
Then again if you could integrate it into your vehicle accessory belt drive system, you could use it to give a little extra horsepower for going up hills...Ford actually already has a system like that.
Buen video lo mejor de lo mejor. Lo quiero para una bicicleta eléctrica.
What type or brand of alternator...
one more comment please recommend a good low cost controller for this application please recommend one or maybe two controllers that you like for ease of application and good cost to value ratio thank you .MarkMannM2
Any bldc controller will work for this
But was there any amp output at the b+ terminal on back of alternator.
I need a similar setup to power and recharge 3.5kw EV LITHIUM POWERPACK.
so i was reading a guy uses only 12v to the stator and a varying volts (upto 4v) at the rotor to control the tourque and rpm in a buggy carrying 3 people, incredible power output for 12v. IM wondering if this is the same as running higher voltage for example 48v stator with say a 12v rotor ? since these motors are variable field ? wanting to know if i can use a 12v 100a rc brushless controller to get a good power output from this motor?(12x100=1200w) or will i need a 1200w bldc motor controller running 48v
i will be using a gearbox with ratio of about 16:1 from a mobility scooter
If you plug the power from the battery to the terminals will it run at full speed?
What is the output of the other three blue wire? Is it an AC or DC current?
Ac pole changing
What will be the watt of converted motor ? Pls giv link of controller
What kind of speed control you using?
If you charge the battery to full how long can you run the motor?
Can we use bldc hall sensor motor controller?
How can we use only battery to power both with that controller?
How much torque can be tested?
which one consumes more power? the stator battery connected? or the bldc controller? can you just put one battery power to both? i mean parallel the power of the controller and the stator? also what type of controller is that? can i use this alternator to my propeller to my Electric Boat project as the motor? I highly appreciate your answer...
Pretty cool! Thank you for sharing!
Hi, nice video. I think it is the future of converted petrol bike to e-bike. Also you can make some test like brake test, to measure its torque.
Keep on track dude!
Boss I like it, can you give me the diagram on the potentiometer and direction switch to the controller?
Good job. My question is can it run without a speed controller ?
No.. is Impossible
Great and clear explanation. I'll try this but the linked controller is only run at 20Amp and 500w so can this Alternator pull a small kid's kart?
Have you try to run the motor longer than an hour? if the controller will not burn?
How to start the alternator as a motor, do not use a controller but directly on the battery, is there any solution ??
Sir can we run it without controller
Thanks for This Very Good Video.
Question, , with an Alternator like that on this video...
Once you converted into a motor.. What's the Power in Watts or HP.,???. Thanks.
1500 Watts
@@MrElectron
a 2.5 HP. gas Motor
Have @ like a 100 cc motor. or So.
@ 40cc = 1 HP = 750 watts
So this 2 HP E. eng. Will Have a 1500 watts and Similar Power of a 80cc eng.
Which configuration of input voltage to the stator and rotor is producing 1500W?
@@joshuabeard9881 he getting nowhere near 1500 watts with a little 12v battery like these.
@@blackz06 what would you estimate he's getting with 12v to the rotor and stator?
Where did you connect the laptop charger
Wanting to know what speed control to order. What do you use ?
Can it be switched on without speed controler and run at one speed ?
No se puede hacer solo el alternador y la beteria? Sin el controlador
good
Thanks