Sunak’s New Northern Ireland Protocol Deal Explained
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Ever since the Brexit deal was agreed, the Northern Ireland Protocol has been a source of serious contention between the UK and the EU. But after years of political posturing, has Sunak finally found an agreement that could ease the tension in Ireland?
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Who would have thought that the people who voted to take back control of their borders hadn't really thought about borders?
oh no they did think about it, they just thought that the boarder would be on the Island and not the sea
@@ConnorLonergan
So basically they thought they could get away with just ignoring the Good Friday Agreement is what I'm hearing?
@@thatmarchingarrow yes
@@thatmarchingarrow pretty much
Brexit logic, they are in some alternate universe ahead or below us don't mind them
Actually the green and red lanes were proposed by the EU and Westminster did not agree. Then (not surprisingly), they proposed as if it was their idea to present it as a victory over the EU
Beat me to it !. It's a bit sad TLDR made this error as I'm sure they reported it at the time!!.
Tldr ignore things like this to present false balance
@@ogribiker8535 Indeed and this proves that lies keep sticking around.
It's very hard to explain this as a mistake.
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 Sadly true!
“Sunak solved it” is such a British take.
Sunak finally listened to other people, many of whom shockingly had solutions and weren’t focused on their own ratings or ego.
Let’s not give someone credit for what amounts to taking your head out of the sand.
I mean if someone stopped being idiot for once after years of constantly embarrassing themselves I wouldn't mind giving them a little "good job and FRICKIN FINALLY" pat. Every single extra sanity for this world helps.
Specially when this was proposed by EU multiple times and UK rejected it. It's hilarious UK is now proposing what they fought against and acting as if they're geniuses for it.
Sunak finally listened? hes only been in power for 3 months. Saying he finally listened is like saying hes been ignoring what was said for years 🤣
The more you diminish his achievement, the more it shows how shitty his predecessors were for not even being able to do that lol..
@@thespanishinquisition4078 we havent even voted in our last 2 leaders its just whoever coming in and our last one crashed our economy abit
The red lane / green lane is a EU proposal already made in October 2021.
"Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland: Commission proposes bespoke arrangements to benefit Northern Ireland"
Yea, but that's a terrible proposal. Now this *British* proposal on the other hand...
@@AiSard lmao
This feels like an important piece of context that should have been part of the video.
Johnson rejected it because it would otherwise have deflated his ego.
@@AiSard 👍😂
Green and red lane was a proposal of the EU at the Brexit negotiations .
Yep indeed, in October 2021!
What was it called? The same name?
UK relies on the EU on ways out of the holes our government creates.
It was Fast Lane and Slow Lane...
Liz Truss didn't come up with the Red/Green lane system. The EU did. The UK rejected the idea, and then a few months later Truss turned around and proposed the same idea back at them and pretended it was her idea all along. Boris Johnson did the same thing with Theresa May's initial brexit bill (yes, the same one that got her forced out of office).
Considering how much reporting you've done on Brexit over the years, I'm really suprised and quite disappointed to see you skimping on details like these.
Perhaps the channel is starting to become more biased? It's a common pattern I've noticed as channels gain more popularity and revenue, they become more prone to bias.
@@sherry356 They're also just routinely pretty bad at fact-checking or just getting minor details wrong.
@@sherry356 they kinda always had some details wrong
I like the way you phrased 'the whole Liz Truss thing' as though it's a period of British politics that should be kept within parentheses & is so bizarre nobody wants to unpack it.
He's not wrong.
I mean she was elected to prime minister, caused a financial crisis, the queen died and then she resigned all in about 6 weeks.
hint: tldr run by tories
Isn't that pretty much how it is?
@@viva5208 Is it? What, sort of halfway sane, anti-Brexit Tories with an understandable grudge against the crazies?
Remember when they said Brexit means Brexit, and no deal is better than a bad deal? 😅
No deal brexit was only a tool for conservaties to arrange the best deal they could. Everyone knew the no deal would be catastrophe for both side (espec. Britain).
Yeah, now they are pushing forward a proposal the eu made years ago and apperently was horrible back then.
Before people realised Brexit was a scam
Yes, well Brexiteers were also saying that the world would be pounding at their door begging for trade deals with the UK. How's that world investment coming, the billions they said would be rolling in?
You make a claim about red and green lames being introduced by truss. As far as I know the eu proposed this first before truss. The UK rejected it. Came back and claimed it to be there idea to look good to uk media.
How does this deal outlast three Prime Ministers already??!?
Not surprising given that prime ministers last as long as mayflies now.
It was a bad compromise regarding sovereignty and British law and in regards to the constitution. We do not have British Law in NI, we have changed NI's place in our constitution and our sovereignty has not been preserved in NI - GB has been put ahead of NI which is clearly a concern of any Unionists in NI.
These things together are bigger and more important than a prime minister and I could easily believe the presence of the ECJ and the protocol could see further PM's go, the loss of a devolved Government on an ongoing basis and perhaps a risk to peace too.
If the EU is flexible and able to accommodate changes to preserve devolved government and peace, then perhaps the protocol will stay in a changed form, the protocol was always meant to be subject to change and ongoing negotiation and it's whole purpose is to work for that border and the people of NI, to protect the GFA and to preserve the common market
Let me introduce you to this lettuce
@@lloydjones7925 Only trouble is, there is no sense in expecting the EU to make even more concessions for governments that go out of their way to act insanely.
because international law is not decided by who the latest resident at No. 10 is.
Boris and the DUP tend to ignore the fact that there has always been checks between N.I and the rest of the UK
What do you mean? When the UK was in the EU this problem didn't exist, because there were no checks anywhere. Or am I missing something?
@@emanuelezanon4262 YES...IRELAND WAS AND IS AN ISLAND,,,ALL ANIMALS. AND FOOD OF ANIMAL ORIGIN...HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHECKED...EVEN THAT COMING FROM GB TO NI, FOR DECADES.
@@jjbiggmann5576 No they haven’t.
@@FannyShmellar I STATED A FACT....NOW GO AWAY.
@@jjbiggmann5576 Is your Caps key stuck?
If Sunak had the balls, he'd say to the ERG "If this deal doesn't get passed, them I'm calling a general election". And with a very good chance of a significant number of Tories losing their seats, this policy might not only work, but would make Sunak look like a much stronger leader. Unfortunately, I fear Sunak is rather deficient in the testicular department!
Then again, sunak also would know that he would then be the Tory leader that led them to a catastrophic defeat if he calls for an election right now.
He isn't fool like u
@@dchegu unless he resigns before 2024 he will always be the person that led the Tories to catastrophe, it will be a slaughter
The ERG run the concervitive party without them they won’t get a majority
What a stupid take.
There is also the option that needs to be talked about. The UK gives Northern Ireland to Ireland.
It's not ours to just give away. The people of NI have to decide that's what they want and the UK will facilitate the transfer. That was all talked about and incorporated into the Good Friday Agreement.
Irish person here: that can't happen it has to be a vote, however once a united Ireland happens (and it will soon) we would appreciate if the UK takes some hardcore unionists because they are already planning terrorist attacks on Dublin (and are very genocidal when you get talking to them) we don't want violence, they do. They love Britian so you can take them.
Obviously not all are like this but some base their 'culture' entirely on protestant supremacy and genuinely hate Irish people.
@@anarchistleek9097 Nope, if NI vote to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic then the whole population of NI will have become an Irish responsibility and you can deal with them, good and bad. We're not going to be supporting ethnic cleansing. Just out of interest how big are the Irish armed forces?
Having said that if they choose to move here they are entitled to because of the pre-existing common travel area. I suspect they won't want to though.
Already done, It's part of the food friday agreement
@@radman8321 Britian planted genocidal nutcase on our island, you can take them back.
Britain politics is such a clownshow when looking in from the European mainland. Not that our domestic leaders are much better, but still, this whole Brexit saga is such a disasterclass i've never seen anything like it.
U.S citizen here, I feel bad for the U.K too.
@@andrewrogers3067they brought it on them selves to be honest
@@adnanshe only like 51% voted to leave
the downside of democracy
I've been following this from the beginning, from the Netherlands. It can be quite entertaining at times. Especially their "discussions" in parlement. Bercow yelling order to grown adults was hilarious
@@StewieG46 It’s tradition in Parliaments, look at Canada it’s the same thing
For a conservative leader to stand up against the ERG and the DUP, it would be a sign of strength, not weakness. The overwhelming support from the people would be in the affirmative of such action.
Yes but it might cause a split in the party, which might mean less electoral chances. That is far more important to them than what the people want.
Honestly I agree. If he gets this through he has my respect. Im not from the Uk but the EU but honestly he has given me a lot better impression at least when it comes to stability than Boris the clown and lets just not talk about Truss (I just have to think of salad)
@@bzuidgeest I think the ERG would join the Reform Party instead of splitting (ie, making a new party).
Either way westminister have cancelled themselves if disrespect NORTHERN IRELAND UNION OR DUP PARTYS
@@holdenennis that would still take votes from the conservatives if that reform group stood in election on it's own as an independent party.
Watching that clip of Boris Johnson just now I realized that he's *technically* not necessarily lying with "There won't be checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to Great Britain". But he has to be incredibly specific in order to make that true. Notice how he only specifies the one direction of NI => GB, which was never really an issue, because the EU doesn't care what happens to its goods in the UK. The problem has always been the other way around, with goods moving from the UK into the single market.
It is not true that the EU doesn't care about what is shipped from NI to UK. The EU has export- as well as import restrictions btwn EU and 3rd countries, including high tech goods, chemicals, sensors, military equipment, and more. There will have to be checks for NI => GB shipments as well to prevent illicit exports via the EU => ROI => NI => GB => rest of world route.
Well done. Boris is 100% correct.
Nobody has explained why goods intended for the EU had to go via Northern Ireland, Norway or Ruritania first?????
Just send them to the EU!
Clip doesn't say the Northern Ireland Protocol wasn't meant to be written in stone. It allowed for renegotiation. It also allowed for Arcticle 16 which strangely enough the clip doesn't mention. The UK can apply Article 16 anytime it likes, it's legal.
Also the Northern Ireland (Internal Market) Bill had already passed the Commons and is at Report Stage in the lords. They give the UK leverage in the negotiations. Why would you not pass the Northern Ireland (Internal Market) Bill if it stengthens your hand?
the video actually specifies red land/ green lane for GB=>NI (4:20). This may be a mistake (idk?), but if not would allow britain to basically unilaterally renegotiate EU trade deals for imports from third parties.
@@English_Dawn COS WE IN THE EU DONT LIKE IT, AS IT BREAKS THE EU GB DEAL ON TRADE...THATS WHY..!!
@@English_Dawn P.S, GB HAS NO STRONG HAND......END OF.
Tories: This is the best deal ever, it's fantastic, it solves all our problems
Tories 5 minutes later: This deal is a mess! Which morons negotiated this? It's absolutely awful! Let's renege on everything we agreed to change it!
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn nice copy and paste from your reply to me.
@@English_Dawn That is massively far of the mark. What post-Brexit has told us is that the Brexit supporters were the ones who went into this less informed and making a choice off the back of emotion than the remainers. The UK was prepared for that level of commitment, it took years and years of misinformation and outright lying to sway people, lies that are now being exposed as the EU scapegoat is less easy to use, although Brexiteers desperately still try. What Brexiteers fail to understand is that many of the problems the UK faced had nothing to do with the EU, they were our own problems. Some are beginning to see that but many still don't.
No one doesn't often hear remainers saying "it's just a trade bloc", that is the line of argument that Brexiteers roll out (it should have just been a trade bloc). Remainers were well aware of all the other aspects of EU membership and embraced it, it was Brexiteers who refused to accept it or to recognise reality. They went on about "sovereignty", as if somehow the EU was forcing us to do things against our will and yet I never heard a single Brexiteer come up with any examples of legislation that had been forced upon the UK by the EU. However the lie went round and round, things like the bendiness of bananas that would do the rounds and be spread by dribbling mail readers with no fact checking. The vast majority of EU scare stories fell anywhere between misinformation (such as EU enforcing minimum standards, which the UK was already adhering to anyway so nothing actually needed changing) or outright lies such as the bendiness of bananas.
The Brexiteer propaganda machine ran practically unopposed for years, spreading these stupid stories.
The UK has cut itself off from the biggest trading bloc in the world, isolated itself from various research projects, closing it's mind to external ideals and we have seen that the real reason for the UK's woes were created right here in Westminster, a place that has now "taken back control", and what a fine job they have done with those repatriated powers eh?
Not unsimilar to Britain voting to leave the EU and only afterwards looking up what the EU is.
There have been many more of such instances. It's a pattern, begging to be called 'typically British'.
@@English_Dawn A very eloquent narrative indeed but that does not make it true!, what you have transcribed here is an opinion that simply matches what you like to hear.
The EU is as you correctly say a political project but it is a political project by democratic consensus and not as B. Lane suggests by stealth or deception. The UK is no longer a member of the EU because of a democratic decision taken by a very slim majority of the UK electorate....a decision I might remind you that many leave voters now regret. You reap what you sow they say and the prospects of a good harvest for the UK is increasingly unlikely.
0:27 'constant renegotiation'
Wrong. The EU did not and does not 'renegotiate' the NIP. She only advises little brexitannia how to implement it, and she makes some minor tweaks here and there - all WITHIN the agreed 'deal'.
Greetings from Bavaria
Random off topic thought.
I usually say, greetings from Italy 🇮🇹/ I'm from Italy 🇮🇹 on internet.
I support the north indipendence of "Veneto" (the venetian region)
Should I change my the way I specify where I came from ?
1). The N.I.P. was, never meant to be written in stone and legally allows for re-negotiation. It's being re-negotiated.
2). TLDR never mentioned Article 16. UK can apply Article 16 any time it likes, legally.
3) The Northern Ireland (Internal Market) Bill has already passed the Commons and is at Report Stage in the lords.
4). Why would anyone send goods intended for the EU via Northern Ireland?
They would just send them to the EU directly.
5). Like the Lander, Northern Ireland has it's own Parliament. In fact the Northern Irish have two members of parliament. One for Westminster and one for Stormont. The English have no parliament of their own, unlike Scotland and Wales too.
So who concurrently are the biggest losers? The Irish nationalist party Sinn Fein refuse to send members of Parliament to Westminster. As Stormont is closed Sinn Fein and their supporters are without representation.
As long as the EU procrastinates the only losers are Sinn Fein. The Democratic Unionist Party and indirectly the UK government, have all the time in the world.
Tchuss to little Bavaria!
@@emib6599 I'd say it's up to you and what you feel is your primary identity. In my case, I see myself first and foremost as European. If you think Venetian is yours, then it would make sense to use that. Also, keep your audience in mind... maybe in talking to people from all over the world, some might not even know where Venice is... so you might need to use different language, like saying you're from Italy or Europe. I do it all the time when talking to Americans or Canadians, using "Eastern European" as an approximation for them to get an idea without them asking "where's that?" every time. Not everyone knows geography.
@@emib6599 lot of peaple from Catalonia say same aswell
Bavaria is pretty weird in german Politics due to it beeing the only state that has more political party's than Rest of Germany tho it had strong independance Referendums over the years and i would argue is the state with most self pride
@@kyugiyeneku1803 Bavaria's independence referenda resulted in a whopping 0.04% of Bavarians voting for independence from Germany. That much for 'strong' 😂.
Bavaria can have as many parties as it wants - unless either of those score a minimum of 5% NATIONWIDE - no MPs in the Bundestag.
I suggest you inform yourself before you open your gob next time.
Worth pointing out that before the 2019 election Johnson told Iain Paisley jr. that he had *no* intention of honouring the protocol and that it was only there to have an 'oven ready deal' for the election
1). The N. I. Protocol was never meant to be written in stone and legally allows for re-negotiation. They're re-negotiating.
2). Funny how TLDR never mentioned Arcticle 16. UK can apply that whenever it likes, legally.
3). The N. I. Bill has already been passed by the Commons. It's now at Report Stage in the lords.
4). Who are the biggest losers concurrently? Sinn Fein and their supporters. Until it is resolved the Northern Ireland Assembly, in which Sinn Fein would have a majority, is not sitting. As Sinn Fein chose not to take their seats in Westminster they are without representation anywhere.
As long as the EU procrastinates Sinn Fein and their supporters lose out.
@@English_Dawn you Brexiteers are so ignorant.
1) NIP is part of TCA and has been signed by UK and passed into UK law
2) lol Article 16 is what they using currently to discuss the deal they signed and make minor changes it cannot be invoked unilaterally in the manner you describe
3) NIPB - is illegal under international law and would result in the collapse of the TCA
4) Sinn Fein will not lose out - the bungling by the UK won't attract support to the union extremists because they only respresent a minority in NI which voted to remain
The EU is not procrastinating - it is the UK that is constantly failing to meet the obligations they demanded and agreed to. That's the problem. That's always been the problem.
@@English_Dawn so many words only to be so wrong
@@English_Dawn The Protocol is not been renegotiated it is being adjusted.
The biggest losers are the NI electorate who are being denied representation in their assembly by the DUP, the ERG and all the other brexiteer flutes. The longer the whole sorry saga lasts the closer the day for Irish unification comes.
Article 16 does not end the Protocol it only opens the door for further negotiations to resolve the issues that led to it's invoking in the first place, if Article 16 was going to help it would have been used already.
Whether the Assembly sits or not Sinn Fein will remain the largest political party in NI.
The UK has lost a lot of credibility and respect in europe over brexit and the Northern Ireland Protocol. The choice in prime ministers has not helped. Nor did the painful point scoring against the EU over Covid vacines, this competition of systems will grind the UK down over time. Hopefully the UK can move on from this period of disasters and commit itself to deals it has signed in the past and become a reliable junior partner to the EU.
The UK hasn't honored its deals since before it was even called UK. It didn't earn the title "PERFIDIOUS ALBION" for nothing. This isn't a period of dishonesty, its just the period where dishonesty came to bite them in the ass because they ran out of soft power to cheat freely as they have always done. Expect more turbulent times, Europe has been reminded why dealing with snakes hurts, it won't be friendly for the foreseeable future.
The self pride discuriges me from buying a Mini cuz it has Union Jacks everywhere imagine if german cars came in Black, Red, gold(yes that is offical name for it)
I think they prefer to continue on their way to become an insular pirate state.
Don’t forget the EU made the decision to block vaccine exports to the UK and spread anti vax lies about the Oxford AZ vaccine.
@@chrisj9700 and u turned on that about 6 hours later.
Option #1 was in fact the Backstop developed by the May government and the European Commission in December 2017 keeping Northern Ireland in some aspects of the Single Market.
Didn't May's option keep all the UK in the eu until a solution could be found
@@someguy-eh9mg it trapped the UK indefinitely in the Customs Union until the EU nation states unanimously decided to end it. They could’ve held the UK to ransom.
@@chrisj9700 And now the UK is not held to ransom but only a rule taker?
You're right : it was the May-EU agreement in essence. But Brits seems to have a very short memory these days.
Imagine if I went to the bank and took out a 250k mortgage to buy a country home with a swimming pool and then went back to the bank and said "Oh, well, I'm not entirely happy with this agreement I just signed, I think I'm actually paying to much, I don't really want to go through the hassle of transferring to another bank so I was thinking of just paying whatever I want for a while and see how it goes"
Should’ve called Martin Lewis 😂
The concept of 2 lanes was proposed first by the European Union. It was their starting proposition actually...
Ever since I started learning more about Brexit beyond “oh no, it will make organising holidays in EU more of a headache” I always thought that the only reason Brexit exists in the first place is because a significant portion of those in power want the ability to make their own rules without having to follow anyone else’s rules and keeping out “non British” from Britain.
Pretty much spot on.
And they want to keep dodging taxes..
The government under David Cameron campaigned vigorously to remain in the EU you will recall he resigned after the result of the referendum and why should we obey rules from non UK citizens?
@@ianjones487 your country voted to obey Australian rules and Japanese and Canadian rules, while trying desperately to have to abey US rules.
That's what a trade deal is, obeying the rules of another country.
@@StevenSatelle That would imply trade deals are one way traffic which they certainly aren't compromises are given by both sides, adherence to rules on everything from farming to fishing and the rest the EU foistered on us is what I objected to
@@ianjones487 you objected to rules that the uk helped to formulate and voted on to accept, but are fine with Australia saying, for example, remove your environmental commitments please and the uk doing it.
Honestly the EU should be as heavy handed with this as possible. Force the uk to compromise the eu has already conceded enough for a country that’s so damn wishy washy.
As a non-UK citizen, I never want the Brexit show to end. Too much good stuff. But I'm an optimist. No matter what happens with the NI Protocol, I see plenty of Brexit drama in the years to come!
the only reason the UK government wanted to leave the EU is because it was cutting into their profits and the torries only care about two things money and power and staying in the EU was costing too much money, in the long run brexit has been a complete disaster
Seeing as the UK economy has tanked after leaving, the idea that it costs too much money to be in the EU doesn’t really hold up.
Brexit seems more a consequence of anti-immigrant rhetoric than any legitimate economic concern
It was never about money, it was about taking back control from Brussels.
@@mickeypye2593 it’s just a fact, up and down the country people voted to take back control. You cannot name anybody in this conspiracy of yours other than Rees Mogg but neglect to mention that a company he works for has headquarters all over the world.
Is that why David Cameron govt vigorously campaigned to stay in?
5 years later and we've come full circle.
Welcome to the UK folks.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
see that's the funny part we have wasted 5 years and have arrived at the same destination my god
Just to be exact - there was no re-negotiation of the deal - if, all EU members would have had to agree on it officially.
It was only talks about details of the implementation - and basicly everything agreed on were EU suggestions
Sorry you need to check your facts, the EU proposed a similar system previously
In October 2021!
Now i seen multiple people write this. The best ive been able to find is that The UK suggested it in July of 2021. Did EU propose it earlier and whats your source?
Who would have thought that Johnson was lying after his "oven-ready deal" was slammed in the microwave and came out so undercooked that the DUP couldn't stomach it?
The peak definition of waiting until the last minute to submit your work.
So ....a PM that achieves bipartisan support would be seen as "weak"..... This view is insanity.
If he has his own party backing him and also wins support from the opposition then he'd look strong, but if he has lost the support of a chunk of his own party and relies on opposition votes to get the measure passed then that looks weak.
or they could just give Ireland its land back
There's always one. Do you want an Irish civil war? Reunification will be a hugely risky endeavour even after a referendum on reunification. If the UK Government unilaterally did it there would be a catastrophe.
The U.K. signed the deal themselves and now say it is a bad deal, why sign it in the first place???
Given a large enough population in a democracy, the number of idiots able to vote becomes the majority. A person is smart, but people? People are idiots. Democracy may well be the best system we know of to-date, but when enough idiots vote then you're gonna get idiotic results and consequences.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn The UK didn't join the EU out of convenience, they did it to get out of their economic decline. Now that they are out it's back to more economic decline.
@@EdoTyran Pity the EU did nothing to economically help our country. Our manufacturing industries continued declining and productivity increases were tiny under membership.
@@chrisj9700 Well the EU is not a magic bullet that can fix everything, mostly about making trade easier. But if the UK can't make their manufacturing competitive in the market it wouldn't help much.
The Tories seem to consistently overestimate the degree to which the EU will help them do something the EU *really doesn't want them to do*. It's completely bizarre.
Also, I laughed at "and then there's the whole Liz Truss thing".
Honestly I think this would probably be the final solution for the Uk and seems way better than whats currently in place. For the EU illegal goods from the Uk coming in the EU might be a concern but generally the lanes option seems to be a good middle ground that could solve all the problems for Northern Ireland and the problems when it comes to goods from the EU and the rest of the Uk
Edit: Bruh just found out the EU promoted this the entire time ago and imho it seems like a great solution
For some this is a problem. The deal would deprive the UK of any arguments to ever change it and as such remove the UKs biggest bargaining ship in the whole Brexit negociations: Threading to create a situation where the EU has to choose between having a border with a big leak or be the one that puts up checks at the Ireland/NI border.
@@nacaclanga9947 Bargaining chip FOR the Uk? I don't think the EU will just ignore their principles for the sake of NI because the Uk politicians messed up
The EU will never concede on the ECJ and why should they? They've already shown remarkable patience, I really hope this sidelines Johnson for good.
It would be helpful if you kept to facts and presented them as such - the protocol is not being renegotiated. We are negotiating on the practical implementation part of the protocol and this is quite a stark difference the media and politicians do get wrong mostly on purpose.
Funny how they missed the availability of Arcticle 16 too.
For-the record the Northern Ireland (Internal Market) Bill has already passed the Commons and is at Report Stage in the lords.
"They are no Northern Irish Cows only Irish Cows !, Ian Paisley , DUP Leader ". Checks on Agri-foods have been in place for decades. So why didn't the DUP complain back then in the 1990s
Also the Protocol Architect was the Boris Johnston Brexit Team , advised by an ex Ulster Unionist Leader David Trimble seen in the talk teams media cameras, seen not wanting to be noticed.
So the key points of the Protocol would have been well networked through all Unionists.
The DUP will never agree to to zero, until a hard border goes up through Ireland again and the stay in control in Stormont by supermajority. They will NEVER take seats under a Nationalist lead Stormont government , regardless if is Sein Fein or who ever.
It's not really accurate to say there are issues with the protocol, the issues are with the DUP.
With the red/green lanes solution, I don't get what would prevent an exporter normaly subject to red lane declaring it's cargo is green lane ? I mean, there would be no border between NI and ROI to check it anyway ?
Honestly the red & green lane thing seems like a perfectly reasonable idea. Sounds like from comments, it is unsurprising that the tories did *not* actually come up with it first.
Did they have to use red and green? It would've been better to use colors that had neutral symbolism to both countries, since green is the color for ROI, and red is the color for England. At least they didn't use orange, since orange is the symbolic color of unionism in Northern Ireland.
Maybe like Yellow and Black.
@@carultch Eh, the symbolism is clearly more evocative of stop lights and such. I can see how that'd be an issue, but that may be reading too much into things.
If you move the i to the front of his name, Rishi is Irish. 🙏
Hey! This video was referenced and a part of it used on the news show "Eenvandaag" in the Netherlands! It was in the show of 27-02-23, in case you were wondering. I was happily suprised haha
What happens if I am a company in NL, accept some shipment by the green lane, and then just re-ship them to Ireland... Just curious.
You become rich, that happens already btw, Ireland is in the most priviledged position as the only one that can do business with both EU and UK without either consider them non friend.
Seems to just make Northern Ireland a smugglers paradies.
What is known so far is that real-time access by the EU to UK government databases will allow the EU to decide who they want investigated. I've no idea who does that and what happens to anyone who is caught.
The UK recently started allowing the EU to access its database, the first significant step forward in ... forever.
The EU has been extremely pragmatic about what they need. What they've asked for is essentially just that organised criminals will not know there's no chance whatever of being caught.
They'd forfeit trusted trader status and probably be fined.
Can't imagine why legitimate companies would send goods intended for the EU, first to Northern Ireland, Norway or Ruritania first when they can just send them to the EU directly?
The Northern Ireland population is a slivver of the EU population as a whole yet the customs checks are approximately 87% of all EU customs checks. That's the EU for you.
@@English_Dawnsmuggling maybe.
Did Johnson REALLY say that? At 2:08 he is shown saying, "There will not be checks on goods going from Northern Ireland to Great Britain."
That is what the Protocol does now: there are no checks on goods going from NI to GB. The Protocol does require checks but they are on goods going from GB to NI.
Did Johnson say anything about goods going the other way at that time?
So, what is the lie being told now? Is it the claim by the DUP and others that Johnson promised back in 2019 that there would be no checks on goods going from GB to NI?
There are multiple clips of johnson saying no checks from gb to ni and ni to gb. Peter stevanovic channel has a few. Specifically him speaking to sky news saying word for word what I said above.
Northern Ireland’s situation is not in customs union with the EU. It’s situation is closer to Norway, in that it’s kind of in the single market for goods, but it remains in the UK customs union.
Norway is in the Customs Union.
@@bubba842 Norway is NOT in the CU!
@@bubba842 as already stated- it’s single market, not customs union.
Think you should get your facts/wording right, it's not a new deal, it's the agreement of the implementation of the NIP signed years ago which has not changed. Also, the EU were the first to come up with the red and green lanes concept.
When is your shop going to be available again? :/ I see the link in every description despite the site being still down
it'll never be resolved. Too many cooks comes to mind
At last, Sunak has announced the Brexit version of Squid Game.
The first episode the ever popular red light/green light game will be renamed red line/green line.
We hear it's going to be badass though and 2 special changes have been made. There will be no finish line and anyone who even shows a sign of changing direction will get a bullet in the back from Jacob.
I am curious to see what is planned for the second episode.
Boris claimed something was great then didn't like it.
Very polite diplomatic language saying boris was a liar.
The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
@@English_Dawn my post was about how they opened the video and how boris described the northern Ireland protocol. Not brexit itself.
very long reply. You admit there was perks then go on about potential downsides in the future. I fail to see how the perks could not be enjoyed and being the 2nd largest country in the bloc being able to make rules / using its veto to counter rules it doesn't like. Anything the UK didn't like could be rejected with the size of it. In essence you were too big to bully around into something you didn't like.
This red/green line is just stupid. Not just that is is relying on people to be honest, it also only works in one direction. No checks will stop me from producing something in Germany, ship it to Ireland, drive over to NI and then ship it to England.
And I have no idea why someone would take the red lane if there are no checks between NI and Ireland. How would they find out where the stuff goes?
"Nothing is ever Brexity enough for the ERG and the DUP": a pretty good summary of the whole saga.
Rishi is an anagram of Irish
I don't think Sunak has the spine to force though the deal.
Looking at his track record he'll fold like an accordion.
I think he has found the way to force this deal. Namely, this solution was proposed by the EU negotiators multiple times, and both Bojo and Liz rejected it. So now Sunak is just re-proposing what was proposed to him and acting as if this had been his idea all along, meaning the negotiators really have no reason not to accept other than pride.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 the problem isn't the EU side tho. Its the ERG, DUP and their ilk.
@@GreatgoatonFire Oh, yeah, my bad. I forgot about them. Well that's a bigger issue but arguably Labor is likely to vote for this, their constituents certainly aren't happy about a no deal. Then again... politics.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Labour will almost certainly back the deal but having to rely on them causes two problems for Sunak:
1 Likely to cause even more in-fighting in the Tory party.
2 Labour gets to share the credit and can say "We were willing to do this years ago. The Tories made a mess and we cleaned it up.".
If Sunak surrenders to the Brexiteers then *thats* weak and greedy. Not the other way around. I never liked Brexit or the Tories but can we *please* get this over?
brilliant analysis
Brexit will never end. I’m sorry 🤣🤣🤣
Would Sunak appear weak if he approves the deal with Labour support? I wonder. It seems to me that instead it would make the Conservative Party appear fractioned, directionless and conflicted.
Which amounts to no loss at all. It is not even a false appearance nor new information.
For all I know, it could even improve the Tories' chances and reputation in the foreseeable future.
Yeah he'd do alot of internal damage by doing that, but truth is both himself as a leader (and a person), and the leading fraction of the tory party would actually look somewhat competent (or at least less incompetent) for the first time in years! Enough to make us all forget the damage done? Almost definitely not, but it'd make the public a little more sympathetic towards them, and make Sunak look strong willed and decisive in difficult situations
@@tomthornton6259 The UK was in the EU for convenience. The problem was, the EU was never interested in a relationship of convenience. The EU is primarily a political project, intent on gradually replacing its members’ law, governance and institutions, with its own. In short, the EU required a far deeper level of commitment than the UK was prepared to offer.
The UK’s relationship with the EU had many perks. But are the perks really worth it in the long run, if you’re not prepared to offer the required level of commitment?
And in the case of the UK and the EU, the answer was simply “no”.
Much of the opposition to Brexit fails to understand this. People are upset about losing the perks and understandably so. But when it comes to the flip side of the perks - the commitment - they are often dismissive or blasé. One often finds Brexit opponents denying the true nature of the project: “It’s just a trade bloc”; “Its rules are basically just trade rules”; “It doesn’t constrain national sovereignty…” are things one often hears.
I’m usually quite dismissive of claims like that. It shows the speaker is aware about very little about the union they claim to want to be a member of. You don’t make a case for something by denying the reality of that ‘something’ you’re trying to make a case for. For me, they prove the very point they claim to be arguing against.
You want to be a member of a trade bloc that’s all peace, love, harmony and goodwill towards mankind, governed by simple, commonly agreed rules but with no overarching political ambition of its own? How very interesting. Go set one up then because a union such as the one you described, is not on offer. In the European context, it simply does not exist. You have just described, very eloquently indeed, why the UK should not be a member of the EU.
Extract from B. Lane.
The Tory and Labour Party are changing internally to meet the new reality. Corbynistas versus Blairism in the Labour Party. Old tories via Red Wallers in the Conservative and Unionist Party.
Who gains the upper hand in both parties will be fascinating. Who said first past the post was dull!
Due to boundary changes we already seeing this. Damian Green one of the old Tories hasn't been given a new seat. The membership peeved at not being asked to vote for the prime minister are remodelling the Conservative & Unionist Party.
@@English_Dawn Yeah, that B. Lane is an oddball. Can he possibly be sincere? I doubt it.
@@Bolsonaro_em_Haia
It’s betraying the whole U.K….
You are not someone who has a very good grasp of U.K. politics is it?
Like many others here.
I don't know if I trust the British with actually carrying out the correct checks for a green and a red lane after all of this
There are EU customs officials working at ports and airports in Northern Ireland. Not even the EU are saying checks aren't being done properly. The issue is with the sheer numbers of checks, nearly all of them on goods destined to stay in Northern Ireland.
I don't think this new agreement will last long. Rather, I expect an increasing violation of the European internal market through smuggling, which we in the EU will not accept in the long run.
This whole nerd show with Sunak will end once BoJo returns to power. Mark my words. It ain't over until it's over.
O GOOD...MORE COMEDY.
Sunak could actually be remembered as a hero if he pulls through. Finally, we would get to see the end of this shit show.
Ultimately, it's up to him if he wants the loyalty of his party or the gratefulness of the public.
Did anyone else accidentally read the first word in the thumbnail as "Irish" at first?
Hey UK! The deal is over you signed, no unilateral modification, get over.
Love it how the CGP grey video on brexit from 6years ago still stands showing the same issues for the start
I hope the TLDR would eventually get a Asia channel.
Article 16 imediatly and have done with it. 🇬🇧
Oh, That seems quite Clever!
It actually seems like a pretty solid solution on paper. But I'm not sure how it doesn't all become green lane if there's no real border check at the NI/Ireland border. At which point, why bother with the lanes at all?
Wasn't this an EU proposal years ago? I think they made this to may and everybody lost their mind about how awefull it was...
there was also option 3 that would have been prefered by gibralta, scotland, Nothern Ireland, ROI, London, ... the whole UK could have stayed in the customs union, but outside the EU.
I can still see the 1989 Star Trek prediction of Irish reunification in 2024 becoming a reality
Who's going to pay for it?
Republic of Ireland
newspaper canvassed it's readers with 3 questions.
1). Do you support a "United Ireland? Over half did.
2). Would you pay extra taxes? Went down to 46%
3). Would you subsidise Northern Ireland? Went down to 13%.
Enough said.
When the rhetoric dies down and people realise they have to live in the real world and pay for stuff, generally it's a "dead duck". Not just Northern Ireland but Scotland.
The golden rule of any government is to protect it's own people. How many times has Leo Veradkar visited Kiev? How many tanks has he promised? Has Ireland got any tanks? How many jets in the Irish Air Force?
Ireland under DeValera chose to broadcast it was "neutral". Didn't help Ukraine much saying it was "neutral". They have chosen the "cheap-skate" option like over a National Health Service. They just hope if they are attacked some other "mug" country will risk their own service personnel's lives and endure the expense fighting battles for them? How adolescent is that? Whose going to put their lives on the line for Ireland? Maybe their beloved EU? Wouldn't hold your breath!
Let's be honest, the biggest gainers of a an independant Scotland and a "United Ireland" would be English tax-payers, currently subsidising Scotland for example by £15bn. p. a.
The English are already facing a democratic deficit of only having Westminster and no English Parliament of it's own.
i mean idk about that seems a bit early to hold a vote my point is realistically Mankirk we have 1 shot and only 1 shot to make this happen i am fine waiting another 10-15 years if if that makes it more likely but i don't want to rush things
Great if it works but I haven't seen an explanation of how stuff entering NI in the green lane cannot be later moved in to the Republic? I have a better idea: Let's just join a Customs Union with the EU.
Would be interesting to see if he presses on; I started watching this channel to learn more about Brexit, and seeing it end would be satisfying. Of course, in politics nothing ever really ends.
What is he holding in his hand ? . Does he have a projector before him ?
I can guarantee you that there will still be people driving to Enniskillen for cheap cans and it won't be checked on the way back down... and the DUP have their cake, but they don't want to eat it.
oh ffs not fucking Enniskillen that's one of the worst places for Traffic on the Island also cheap cans ? if people in the Border Region want that they can just go to places like Roslea Aughnacloy and Middletown alot closer
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 True, but with the old irish phrase 'if you wanted to go there, you wouldn't have started from here', as someone from sligo
Anyone that has a minimum knowledge of logistics knows this deal is bs. Send the merchandise to a N.I. warehouse of the same firm and there they simply change the label, rebrand it as made in N.I. and of to Ireland it goes, no checks no nothing.
There's no deal that Brexiteers would be happy with other than a hard border through Ireland
My doubts are not whether Sunak has/hasn’t fixed it. Its whether the factions of the Tories can stop themselves from tearing down another Government
I don't think they thought.
I’ve got a solution for the Northern Ireland/Brexit dilemma:
26+6=1
The Most Based Math Sum in Maths
ohhh boy this will be interesting
its crazy to think ive went from a college student to a postgraduate to self employed for over a year before an oven ready brexit deal was actually finalise
3:30. Okay, I'm gonna stop you right there. There is *NO SUCH THING* as international law. In the real world we live in, there are only agreements between sovereign countries, and any sovereign country can vacate or ignore any agreement they want to, at any time. The only question is whether, on balance, the terms of the treaty are worth upholding to both parties. Even the Maastricht is just another treaty, agreed upon by signatory soverign governments. Any one of the signatories can, tomorrow, cease abiding by that treaty, if they so choose, and the force and effect is dependent on how other countries choose to react.
Explaining Good Friday Agreement would've been helpful. Seems that is the main reason why there's so much trouble with this
TLDR: The Sunak's deal is not a deal, just a proposal of a deal. A proposal with low chance to be approved.
Note: You are incorrect about the red lane / green lane. This was an EU proposal which pre-dated the proposal from the UK. So you may need a correction
Rishi being an anagram of 'irish'; tells you everything you need to know . . Which is absolutely Nothing!
VERY GOOD.
HAHAHAHAH love it lol
So what happens when a company in NI buys goods from GB, and then sells it on to customers in the EU, acting as an intermediary? Can goods come through this so called green lane or he is only allowed to sell goods that came through the red lane?
OK but isn't there a glaring chance that you could use "Green Lane" to move something from GB to Northern Ireland and then move that to the Republic of Ireland or vice versa?
Since there aren't checks between the two Irelands isn't this a loophole for the restriction of goods between the EU single market and UK?
His first name is literally Irish with one I moved 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good. It's the obvious solution and similar to the movement of people on the island. It's possible to abuse but with goodwill and trust it's not a big issue. Also to me (an immigrant) Ireland drifting very slowly and peacefully towards unification does not look bad.
“Close to a deal” I have heard that before
Can somebody tell me why is Northern Ireland so important to UK government? From the news it only seems that is more of a pain in the ass (at least post Brexit)
It was a pain in the ass long before brexit.
The full name of the tory party is the Conservative and unionist party. They kind of have to care about all parts of the United Kingdom.
Ended with more questions after watching this video 😂😂😂. Brexit in a nutshell
"Sunak's plan" TLDR being incompetent as always
Big problem with Green lane is that what stops the green lane goods going across into the EU via Ireland. This looks like a land border on the island of Ireland is imposed which violates the Good Friday agreement