The formidable style of Shanxi Shuai Jiao
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This video discusses the old techniques used in Shanxi Chinese wrestling, or Shanxi Shuai Jiao.
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Now this, this is traditional Han Chinese Wrestling - it's different from the modern day Shuai Jiao we see today, because modern day shuai jiao is largely manchu/mongol. Shanxi style Shuai Jiao comes from the sportive wrestling during the Qin, Han and Tang Dynasties - Jiaodi and Jiaoli, the action of ''horn-butting''.
Yes, Shanxi style is more Han-style. The traditional Han wrestling is either topless or with the belt on.
@@Zen-ep6mcyeah, Han style is more of naked wrestling or belt wrestling, similar to Korean sseireum and Japanese Sumo.
I have Japanese ancestory so i really like Judo, but i cannot deny the superiority of this kind of style for self defense. Usually chinese martial arts shown on the internet are the McDojo types, but there are many chinese combat styles that are as valid as traditional karate, judo, jiu jitsu, etc
Great work again. I think in the late Qin dynasty, It's not hard to find a grappler in China at the level of Jigoro Kano or a western wrestler like farmer burns. I think Shuai Jiao is a legitimate original martial art just based on the abundance of unique techniques and applications.
Good grapplers exist in many places
@Chadi Totally agree my brother in Grappling💪🥋🤼👍🙂
It is interesting how different Eastern Asian bodies are from Western.
They had not our criteria for body style and also a different life science
Their nutrition is based on fat and calories rather than proteins.
Stronger means bigger for those Asians until the individual prove of the opposite.
On the other hand they learn more by learning by doing and that's their recipe of success.
Japan however began to study and imitate successful western techniques and practiced them to death.
The colossus China was the last in the row because of communism.
But they began with the last: "doping", chemicals and drugs. Maybe even this was not their fault as you remember junkies and opium war.
China entered the West first via California (Canada) and then Honkong (Hip Man, Bruce Lee etc.). I wonder if it was right to call any fighting styles that came from China calling Kung-fu.?
Korea is the first country to introduce Bodybuilding to a higher standard in East Asia; China is advanced in olympic weight lifting for people. Japanese judokas began olympic snatch and HIT - Bodybuilding.
However at the end in fighting the practice and routine will survive all tricks and techniques, that can be copied immediately today.
The German SS had educated the Lama Tibet in war practice and military education. However the lamas had their own (secret) martial arts tradition that spread out to different Mongolian countries (e.g. Nepal). UNESCO now tries to conserve original martial culture heritage, according to special conditions. From there might come some interesting ideas. (The same in strength sport, where Scotland contributed a lot by its highland games.)
Of course at the end they want the "ultimate fight", "the truth" - MMA.
However there is an advantage to have learned one style properly to a certain higher level, to have more confidence in your own advantage. Jon Bluming began honestly with a construction to begin directly and seriously with MMA, Bruce Lee was an artist of body expression.
@@ChadiYes but in some places it counted more than soccer. That was imported from England.
The event of this type of Wrestling is called The sheep scratching competition (挠羊赛) ,and the origin of this holiday is somewhat contradictory, but the vast majority of the sources I saw claim that it originated in the song dynasty when a subordinate soldier of Yuei Fei, angry and sad about his death, went to his hometown (shanxi) and I teach wrestling and fight techniques.
The great thing about Shanxi style is that it is literally the Nogi version of Shuai Jiao.
doesnt make sense... liao yang competition has be going out since northern song...
it's such a shame all these beautiful counter throws using the hands are also banned in judo..
I wonder what their reason for it was, did they just want to develop a certain style of sport?
@@EliW95
It's because there are many variations that can lead to death.
What folks don't realize is traditional martial arts forms are supposed to be full of grappling.
For example the throw at 2:49
It's essentially more about pulling the head then lifting the leg but depending on angle and height that person will land flat on their head.
Thus when it was codified as a sport they chose the safest versions of those throwing concepts.
The rest were left for the closed door or combat department.
My Shuai Jiao instructor in Chicago was who kung fu instructors would come to to get that closed door training.
So I'm just repeating from the horses mouth in way because I wasn't a kung fu guy.
I'm a Silat and Kali guy. Fun fact that concept of head pulling is called putar kapala and from experience the one you can see online is nothing compared to the versions that can have you in front of a judge.
Anyway
When my training ended in those I went to a kung fu school so I could kickbox and GM Tsai sent me to the praying mantis school to meet the Tai Chi instructor.
Personally I think I was just a training dummy because I'm ambidextrous but I do love Shuai Jiao.
But take it with a grain of salt because I'm biased. 😊
This is a provincial wrestling competition called the Náoyáng Festival"/“挠羊赛” held in/near Xīnzhōu city/ 忻州, in Shānxī province/山西.
Shanxi borders Inner Mongolia to the north.
Shanxi wrestling also called “挠羊”摔跤/Náo yáng shuāijiāo.
挠羊/ Náoyáng in Shanxi colloquially means to lift aloft a sheep.
In the last competition in May 2023, the winner got RMB 3,000 as prize and the title “挠羊汉” or Sheep-raising man."
Originally the winner got a live sheep hence the name of the competition and the white sheep statue in the background. In more local competitions the winner still gets a live sheep. :-)
where did you watched the competition?
There’s a few on UA-cam. These are just highlights. Most of the time it’s quite subtle.
Thanks Chadi. This is another example of why I continue my study of Chinese boxing. There is a rich diversity in martial arts there and the study of techniques is deep. You may look into the throws of Pa Kua Chang if you can find some good examples to share with your viewers. They tend to have very flowery names for their techniques, this to obfuscate their real intention. Techniques such as "Monkey out of cave." "Green Dragon spits out tongue." "Phoenix rising from the ashes". Wouldn't give you a clue how the form is used, until your teacher demonstrates. Fortunately today most teachers are far more open with their knowledge. Train for life.
Thanks again for sharing with us.
Laoshr '60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
Shuai jiao is the truest Chinese martial art. The secret sauce of Sanda kung fu. the strikes from kung fu are handy but it's not enough. The wrestling of Shuai jiao is what fills in. I highly recommended it.
This looks like it could be one of the best kind of grappling styles for self defense, even moreso than jiu jitsu or other kinds of wrestling (of course it's still good to diversify) as you can very quickly neutralize a threat
Someone was saying that traditional wushu and Taiji became more popular than shuaijiao in mid to late Qing dynasty is that the so called wushu masters had theories or “stories” that can connect their fighting styles to Tao philosophy and qi. The Qing elites and royal families loved those stories. ( they had too much time and money). On the contrary, shuaijiao masters could not come up with those stories. It is sad that after Qing dynasty, many shuaijiao masters became street performers, but many Wushu masters continued to enjoy their fame and wealth.
Bullshit.
It SOUNDS legitimate. I know that Taoist ideologies became very, very popular and overtook almost every aspect of culture.
Uchimakikomi has to be a sutemi waza? I do it all the time tachi and sutemi. Great video, as usual, Chadi. Not being a sport Judoka, I didn't know about Sukuinage not being allowed in sport Judo. We've come across at least 7 variations of this over the years, all street-worthy.
Thank you so much
Another Awesome video from Mr. Chadi. I always enjoy seeing the similarities and differences between Chinese and Japanese approaches to martial techniques.
@Chadi, I have a question for you. Im looking for a reference book or books for Japanese grappling techniques.
Im interested in all forms of Japanese and Okinawan grappling, but I have a particular interest in Judo, Aikido, Jujutsu, and Sumo/Sumai. Im wondering if you have any recommendations. As to my preference, I would probably say the more techniques the better. But I would also like books that have a sort of cohesive progression of techniques in the book, to give it a sort of narrative.
I would also be interested in any books on Chinese and surrounding area's grappling. Books on Chin Na, Shuai Jiao etc. And any books covering indigenous grappling styles from around the world. If youve got anything you think would be worth taking a look at, I would greatly appreciate you informing me.
Cheers from Indiana :)
I’m not familiar with Tegumi, however for judo’s complete arsenal I suggest Kawaishi
@@Chadi I'll check out some of his stuff. Thanks for the recommendation
It's such a massive flex to be able to call the moves and transitions by their eastern labels, and CHADI helps us flex all day.
This first move looks like a power bomb NGL.
Thank you
@@Chadi Chadi, Im so glad to see you doing vids on Shuai Jiao again! Recently, I got interested in Shuai Jiao and it just so happens for you to release videos about it. What a coincidence! 😄
No the first move is more of a powerSLAM not powerbomb.
Oh wow finally Shanxi style wrestling💪
So before wrestlers were topless when doing Shanxi wrestling, and they are very good at single/double leg takedowns, which was largely adopted by Beijing style wrestling (shuaijiao)
And the winner will get a goat as the prize, that is why Shanxi shuaijiao is called 挠羊跤 NaoYangJiao. Nao means "carry", Yang means "goat or sheep", Jiao means "wrestling".
@@Zen-ep6mc thank you
cheers@@Chadi
@@Zen-ep6mcTIL love it. My ancestry is from shanxi and never knew 🙏
Not aloud to grab the legs😅
It's at the middle of the way between Free Style and Greco Roman Wrestling.
pick the needle from the bottom of the sea
Thank you for your distinguished efforts in providing us with everything interesting and enjoyable in the world of martial arts. Your information is considered a reference in combat methods. I hope that you will devote episodes to Russian combat methods, especially kombat sambo and hand-to-hand military combat.
Great video, but I dislike the practice of equating these techniques to Judo techniques and calling them by Judo names. There is so much irrational bigotry and prejudice against Chinese martial arts & many people already accuse Shuai Jiao of being a substandard copy of Judo (even though that’s ridiculous).
This is way better than judo because its NO-gi
Great vid man. This BJJ stuff is just ground judo, so knowing the names from judo is really helping understand the origins.
I’m glad🙇🏻♂️
BJJ's base is Judo but BJJ has evolved far beyond
lol, Judo has a name for everything
Thank you Chadi for producing another great video lectures!
I appreciate it
Great content you are creating.
Thank you
Fantastic breakdown. Thank you!
So is just freestyle wrestling
Except NO pinfall( just the loser fall from anything other than leg) and shirtless. Although ORIGINALLY catch and freestyle wrestling were also shirtless ( before the use of wrestling signet) with wearing of short or "pro wrestling" pant. LOL 😂
This is awesome. More on this please
2:30 claw lift in wrestling
I don't think that Cuba has an own style. However, Chadi, you could occupie yourself seriously with Cuban fighting sports beginning with boxing.
Hi Chadi, really enjoyed your video! This reminds me of a style of wrestling from Siberia called Khapsagai (Хапсагай). Its a little different in that you lose the match if any part of your body other than your feet touch the mat. In that regard its a lot like sumo, but they use leg attacks like shuai jiao or american folkstyle. I would love to hear your thoughts on some of the techniques as many end up looking quite similar to some judo throws due to the ruleset. Thanks for making such great grappling content!
4:31 thrower's knee touched before opponent landed. Is that still thrower's point?
I’m not sure
Would guess Mongolian rules would disallow point. not as sure with Beijing or jacketless rules. Maybe with such a big movement, the ref would easily miss that small detail
no
anywhere of you body (except two feet) touches the ground and you lose the point.
Wrestling judo nogi combination. That's amazing
I study an unknown form of Piguazhang with judo and shuaijiao techniques all through the form spotted some techniques here in the form too, nice study
Thank you for this beautiful video on ShanXi ShuaiJiao!
At 2:47 range is it similar to Uchi mata Sukashi?
Yes
Never mind, it is not an Uchi mata Sukashi because there was a leg scoop. did not notice before.
Hi, thanks for this interesting video, I enjoyed.
Can you make a video on Georgian wrestling Chiaoda, please? It is very similar to Boke and Shuai Chiao.
I'll love your analysis on this little but very good wrestling form.
Thank you!
You should check out Tai-Shou stand up wrestling competitions as well. You will be interested as a Judoka. It is like complete but low impact stand up grappling
I dig your channel ! 2:30 looks fake ! Never in all my years will a guy FLIp like that
It happens all the time in judo (uchi mata sukashi)
Just great evasion from the guy on the left. It helped that the guy on the right really committed to his throw attempt too.
Not sure how common it is. Georgians have their own wresling style and do well in any other one. Mongolians the same. Chinese not so much.
That's because combat sports aren't popular nor well funded in China. If they were Chinese wrestlers would get better support along with having more people join the sport.
Kind of sounds like judo has a bunch of excuse moves. Lol. I’m a practitioner but I don’t know what Chadi does.
2:50
The trick is in pulling the head.
Notice his right arm goes from extended to chambered or pulled in.
Where the head goes the rest will follow.
Really good channel mate 👍 . Commentary is really easy to listen to and very informative 👌. Love
This looks like a work more than a real competition. The moves are real, but they both know what’s happening.
I like it
❤❤❤sự cân bằng
Thank you for the formidable work. - hugs from Brazil
🙇🏻♂️🙏🏻
To conclude this nonsense question why wrestlers have biceps and judokas and olympic weightlifters less is that they use these muscles sometimes without explosive power when they are fighting. This is in the case that they have to form the grip around the body of the opponent to lift him while judoka has his grip in the gi where he can pull as explosively as an Olympic lifter in snatch.
In judo randori as well as in boxing sparring other muscles are strengthened.
The wrestlers work with fireman grip. If the opponent is too far it is no more possible to reach the other hand for the tight grip. That's the reason for the weight limit under 130 kg
The olympic amateur sports judo, wrestling and weight lifting must work together.
how it score?
With a proper throw
anywhere except your feet touch the ground, you lose, and get eliminated.
@@Zen-ep6mc thank you for the clear up
and you have to win 3-6 opponents to be the winner, depends on the number of contenders.
more like Shuaijiao without jacket on.
I’m not making any claims, but I suspicious of the honesty of this contest.
I appreciate the slow motion aspect.
This is a real match between team ShanXi and team Innomongolia. The big guy is a Mongolian. The smaller guy is from ShanXi.
@@ltjadgn “honesty” is the key word. It isn’t a question of it being fake.
What does that even mean? Lol
Almost like the Ancient Greek Athletes Olympians who competed 100% naked... I'm "homophobic" and wouldn't welcome that. Besides, there is also a matter of hygiene consideration. I don't want to catch any kind of skin disease from my opponent because I really do not know how dirty or clean they maybe, or what kind of skin disease he has. At least with a Gi, I'm protected.
Nice Vid 👍🏼
Personally, it looks a bit scripted to me.