An astounding film. It probably plays even better today though which makes it even more impressive than I ever realized and I was impressed enough back in 1991. John.
@@mrnmrn1 I think T2 would be good on any big screen but probably to get the best out of it, it would have to be a film print. It just wouldn't feel right watching that great film on video, however good it might be. It's an historic film of its time and possibly there should be screenings of such films regularly in major city centres across the world so that people who were too young to have lived it when these films were in cinemas can still have the experience of going back to those great days today. Having said that, most cinemas aren't run by people with the knowledge or interest. John.
I only saw it the once, that 70mm blow-up at the Odeon, but I've never seen T2 on anything other than film and this is because miraculously full-length 'Scope Super 8 prints were issued a year or so after its theatrical release. I've had that Super 8 print ever since. John.
One of the greatest film openings ever. It didn't escape me at that 70mm blow-up screening at the Odeon in 1991. I wanted that sequence on Super 8 right there and then. And then amazingly, the whole film was issued on Super 8. John.
I remember being 8 years old, it’s nearly Christmas in 1989 and my parents have taken me to the Worcester Foregate Street Odeon to see Ghostbusters 2. I can still feel the excitement of waiting on the cold entrance steps (they made you queue outside back then!) and then being let in and being treated to popcorn. Absolutely loved the experience. I know it’s not revered as the first, but it’ll always hold those memories for me. Really looking forward to the upcoming documentary!
It's those sort of memories that set me on a path to a lifelong love of film and cinema. I don't think I've actually ever seen Ghostbusters 2 so that's COMING SOON! John.
I've just chanced across this lovely video tonight. All of you clearly have so much love and respect for this movie (and I suspect movies in general) and your collective joy having just watched and experienced T2 on 35mm again is just infectious. I'm sat here with a huge grin on my face at the end of my 45th birthday (I was too young for this in the cinema, but a huge fan from VHS release onward) and listening to you all geek out about the technical elements and issues of the format(s) is truly wonderful. Cheers to all, and thanks for a great ending to my bday.
So much to comment on in this video! John, you don't know how much I have pined for the return of those great laserdisc gatefold covers. Actually, I wish the size of physical media discs had stayed the same, but only increased in picture and sound quality. Something special about spinning those LP-sized shiny discs and the great cover art.
It was all about saving money when the CD sized disc finally supplanted the LaserDisc as the home video of choice. CD-I failed because the image quality was about the same as a lowly VHS tape but DVD got it right a few years later. John.
Wow - what a treat! Opening battle in the future war is still beyond the imagination of most directors. I bet you were smiling constantly! I’ve had this film on quite a few formats (my best edition being DVD t-1000 ultimate edition special edition). THX intro is still the best Sound intro ever made. This film is perfection - grown up with it (I’m 41). Thanks, Clark.
When that opening sequence revealed itself to us at the Odeon Leicester Square in 1991 Clark I leaned over to my wife and said that if only one short extract appears on Super 8, I hope it's that. It was quite unbelievable to us film collectors when the feature arrived about a year later. John.
Thank you for this video, this brought back some great memories for me! I used to live in Germany and as a huge fan, I bought a 35mm copy of T2 in the late 90s off of eBay for around 300 Deutsch Marks (this was before the Euro). I never owned a 35mm projector but a friend of a friend had one and we got together once and I was able to see it projected. I since then moved to the US, but I still own it.
There are 35mm projectors about so it's worth asking around if you have any friends who may know someone in the cinema industry. Failing that, machines do appear all over the world on eBay. You won't need digital sound for T2 which will make the whole thing a little easier to get working properly but if you can find a kit that comes ready with the digital sound capability and Dolby processor to handle it then that will be even better. My other 35mm projector is a portable which takes 2000ft spools. A reel change every 20 minutes or so but that's a lot of the fun with that machine. John.
I expect you're right there. Nothing else has ever come close but I do still prefer The Terminator as a film. T2 is more of a thrill ride but still great. John.
@ yes i agree, terminator is my favorite if i have to choose, but as a movie experience t2 is borderline perfect. You can start to see Jim Cameron’ softening’ slightly though. I have never liked the whole fsther son relationship thing between John and the terminator. It’s just silly, but I’ll give it a pass
@@tbip2001 Some of the interactions between John Connor and the Terminator are hilarious though and that's why I've always accepted the whole relationship. Shame he had to be melted at the end though. When his arm was crushed (this was my thinking at the Odeon in 1991) I thought, just as well they've still got the arm from the first Terminator. Alas, either that solution wasn't thought of or it was a better idea to melt the poor bugger. Then we had the same ending in Alien 3. But I won't say any more about that debacle otherwise I could bang on for hours. John.
It's my favorite movie of all time , great sequel , effects that still hold up and every time i watch the film i am amazed with the cinematography. It was such a big hit back then and i was counting down the days till it's release. And it did not disappoint , i remember when the credits rolled I thought "i just saw a very special movie' and that remains till this day.
I felt like I'd seen a very special film after that opening future was sequence Remco. I can still remember the blue hue to the overall image which no doubt 4K collectors have been complaining about as 'Teal'. Thankfully the 35mm print has it too. It looks great. John.
I was just 10 years old when this came out. The sheer excitemne t and buzz around this was insane. I remember our teacher coming over to us on the field at primary school to tell us what it was like. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Among us Super 8 collectors it was a bit of a pipe dream but then about a year after its general release we were offered full length 'Scope prints. A dream come true. John.
@@moviecollector5920 are there any legal implications with obtaining 35mm prints? I was always under the impression they belonged to the studios . Glad you’ve got it though!
I only ever saw it once and then hoped that one day we would get an extract or something on Super 8. And then the whole damned feature appeared in 'Scope. A dream! John.
It's among my favourites too Cheekster but I hold The Terminator in even higher esteem. That Simon fellow has a 35mm print of that too, the lucky bugger! John.
Oh wow! T2 is one of my favorites. I'd say it's in my top 10 favorite movies, certainly my favorite action movie. And this was a great video. I'd love to see more videos of you with your friends discussing the movies you watched. The giddy excitement is quite potent. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking forward to your take on Aliens.
It's a great film Andy. I think The Terminator is the better film though but T2 is possibly the second best sequel ever made. Aliens being the best so that's next hopefully. John.
Possibly one of the few home video releases to come with the original soundtrack. And the image quality is pretty special too judging by the clips I've seen on my own LaserDisc. John.
A rollercoaster of a movie, if ever there was one. Not an ounce of fat from start to finish. Jaw dropping special effects at the time, and seamless use of miniatures, cgi, rear projection. Thankfully the smiling Arnold deleted scene didn’t make the final edit but I liked the deleted scene where the chip was removed from the T-800. I’ve read not-so-good things about the 4k image so I’ll have to make do with my old disk. Thank you and the guys for this video.
A few comments have suggested a remastered 4K disc is on the cards so I hope it gets closer to how a 35mm print looks if it does ever materialize. Such a shame that it seems the LaserDisc is the home video disc of choice for Terminator 2. More film enthusiasts should have taken up Super 8 years ago then they'd have been able to enjoy some of their favourite films as they should have been seen for more than 30 years now. John.
Nice; I finally found someone else who isn't much a fan of Ghostbusters. Even with all the hype, opening weekend, and a sold out audience howling with laughter, I sat there wondering why I wasn't enjoying it as much as I was supposed to. I watched it several times later, thinking I might have missed something. Nope. It's humorous in a few scenes, particularly those with Rick Moranis, but much of it is nothing special. I'm glad millions of others love it, though. For my money, I'd rather watch 1941 again on the big screen. Now, that's an underrated gem, and Spielberg himself doesn't seem to know this. 🙂
I think much more highly of Ghostbusters as a result of seeing Anthony's feature length documentary. Enthusiasm is infectious and that documentary is full of it along with so much information and appreciation for how the film was made. John.
It was amazing to see it in this miniature home cinema on Saturday Gary. If anything, it's even more impressive today although I have to say, that 70mm blow up at the Odeon was special. John.
Watching through this video, seeing the clips of T2 and Cleaning Up the Town, such a difference can be seen between the 35mm film and the video presentation. Such an experience that must have been to have 35mm prints playing at home, and with such great company as well. I think most all of us home theater lovers make it our mission, with varying degrees of success (some outside of our control), to try and recreate that film exhibition experience at home. What a treat it must have been! Cheers.
It's always special to run a film print Eric but the video projection is better than it looks. Whatever I do, no camera I have set to any of the myriad video formats is able to eliminate the flickering of the DLP projection. To the human eye though, it can be amazingly impressive and many of the 4K discs could be passed off as 35mm with some of the Blu-rays looking fairly exceptional too. 'Cleanin' Up The Town' works extremely well on our rather large home screen and makes it even more enjoyable than it would be on a telly. Having the Director there for this dip into it make it even more special. A great, historical film documentary. There aren't many quite like it. John.
Great video! So amazing to be able to project film at home, especially 35mm, what a treat! T2 remains a favourite I've seen so many times, mostly my NTSC LaserDisc box set with the padded exterior! So over the top, but a beautiful presentation! I recently bought the remastered Blu Ray and was disappointed by the smearing from noise reduction, but it's still an enjoyable film. Must fire-up the LD version again soon!
Owing to all the comments I get on this channel I've had reasons to think about what the best home video versions of film releases are and I'm increasingly thinking that LaserDisc would be the way to go for many. They don't work so well on current video projectors but if watching on a telly up to average size then I think many would be more satisfied with them rather than 4K a lot of the time. At least you get the original sound but with T2 I remember the clips I saw on my own LaserDisc being impressive. Not up to the Super 8 quality of course. John.
@@moviecollector5920 the remastering is certainly a double-edged sword. It can of course bring improvements, but also spoil or change some elements negatively for some people. Cynically, having bought about 45 versions of Aliens, I know it's ultimately about making more money by selling different 'improved' versions. But equally you have to respect the wishes of the film maker for their vision. If James Cameron, Peter Jackson or George Lucas genuinely think xxx is the superior or more authentic version of their vision, then who are we to argue. BUT ultimately maybe we're after different things. Film makers want to see their vision presented, but collectors and enthusiasts may prefer something that's more authentic to their original viewing experience - more of a nostalgia vote - and that's becoming hard to find these days. Indeed, bringing us back to LD as probably the best quality version of the original presentations.
Hi John! Excellent! Thanks for sharing this with us! I remember being intrigued to see Cleaning up the Town after you mentioned it in your earlier video. I'm holding my Blu Ray Steelbook of An AW in London but have not put in in the player yet. I don't own the 4k of this one but need to get it if that's where Anthony's documentary is I really want to see this. Don't even mention J Agutters name I will NOT sleep tonight for her haunting beauty hahahahaha! Darn I'm just gonna go now and reserve my Terminator 4k as a blind buy after watching this video. I was holding out for your review after the fact but now I'm just gonna grab it. Love love love T2. Hoping to hell they rerelease these in cinema's for this new 4k release! Many thanks again for sharing this with us! Cheers D in BC!
I just re-watched 'Beware The Moon' and it's excellent Dave. I had watched it four years ago so I expected to remember more of it than I did. That and Cleanin' Up The Town is how to do a Making of. Oh, Jenny Agutter... say no more! Hold your horses on the T2 4K though because it's half of the 3D video master file abomination. It's not exactly got the best reputation. The LD is probably the best option there but failing that, the DVD as I've heard the Blu-ray isn't very good. John.
Really looking forward to Too Hot To Handle. I rewatched Ghostbusters 2 for the first time in many years over Halloween and I had an absolute blast with it. Can’t wait to hear all the behind the scenes stories!
Anthony still has some work to do on it and these things always take longer than you expect. But maybe sometime next year he and his sister Claire will find they have another nice premiere. John.
I’ve watched this 22 times at the cinema including 35mm, 70mm blow-up, 3D, Superscreen and as a double-bill with The Terminator at BFI IMAX (DCP as there was never an IMAX release of this movie) in August 2024. Watched a 35mm Terminator double-bill at Prince Charles Cinema a few years ago. 😎
A 35mm double-bill of The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day is a bit of a dream. I think I'll be making another trip over to Simon after we've done the Aliens show and video because I'm pretty sure he's got them both. You've started me thinking now. John.
@ - I booked tickets to see a double-bill of The Terminator and Terminator 2 in 35mm at Prince Charles Cinema for a second time in August 2024 but after then seeing that BFI IMAX were also showing both movies (had to purchase tickets for each movie individually) I opted to watch them there instead. Miles bigger screen plus DCP of each including the new restoration of The Terminator for its 40th Anniversary. That set me back £111 for a friend and I to watch both movies once. Almost as much as my prized possession Pioneer Special Edition NTSC LaserDisc Boxset back in the day.
@@cheekster777 I hope you've still got that LaserDisc box set Cheekster. I'd go to see both films on film but I don't think I'd ever work up the enthusiasm for a video projection. I bet they were great on that huge screen though and worth all the money it cost you. John.
Watched T2 in the cinema 1st time round, and when I walked out, I was like, "This is the best sequel ever made for a film( along with aliens) even today in 2024 the special effects just don't date or look stupid. Brilliant and loved watching this little video discussion
Morning Dave. I looked for the CGI this time around and I could tell there was a change in resolution between real film and computer generated images but it was not as obvious as later films. Something was being done differently and more successfully when computer imagery started. Perhaps it was something to do with using Silicon Graphics machines rather than less capable equipment later on. More likely some sort of cost cutting though. John.
@moviecollector5920 I think personally, if T2 was made today, it wouldn't be any good, not with today's CGI anyway as it looks too unreal, but back then it was something else so your prob right in what your saying. I'd love to watch a reel print from your cinema and chat movies all day long
I was born in 83, so I never saw it in the cinema, but I'd seen the special edition 100 times on VHS and DVD. However when I saw an actual 70mm film print in THX back in 2010, it was like watching it for the first time. It was breathtaking! Wasn't impressed (like many) by the 4K disc, so sticking with my BR 'Skynet Edition' which looks great to me.
The best home movie release appeared in 1993 and that was the 'Scope Super 8 full length prints. That's the one to find but would probably cost about £1K these days. As good as it is, it doesn't come up to the quality of the 70mm blow-ups which were pretty sensational. I remember marvelling at the opening sequence because it looked and sounded so good from the six track magnetic stripes. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Ahh. That includes some 70MM blow-ups for a film that just edged out SILENCE OF THE LAMBS for the sound Oscar. Then, can you get a processor that works? Hmmm.
Thanks John. Great video. Must say I’m really looking forward to the Aliens uhd vs 35mm video. On a side note I would happily pay a premium to have the Cameron remastered version and the full grain left in version on a release.
I always used to think the Super 8 prints of Aliens were a little sub-standard Dan but I looked at my first run print a couple of times recently and knowing what I know now, I now think it's a much better print than I ever credited it with before. I think Simon and I may both see the 35mm print a little differently owing to our understanding of how it was made and why it was a little too coarse grained. John.
We have been running quite a few 35mm prints since Ben sorted out the digital to analogue sound failover Roy but T2 was Ben's print so he made it up onto big reels and brought it up specially. A wonderful day. John.
15:00 I mean WOW!!! What a treat and to top it off about three weeks ago I added cleaning up the town to my Amazon Christmas wish list! How about that for timing! I've just punched the time stamp to point out a comment you made (and by now may have been advised on) but first John, I have to say thank you for such a great video. I just wanted to say it before I side track. So.. the part when you open the PAL Laserdisc (which I do own) and mentioned a LD/Vinyl sized box set. Studios did try this. Fox, Universal the BBC and mainly Disney via Star Wars, Marvel and some classic animation and a few of the Live Action remakes did BIG Sleeve Blu Ray. There was something around 30 - 40 titles across the UK and Germany. Different titles had different varieties some came with a DVD, Blu Ray and a Bonus disc. Others like Universal did Trilogy compilations like Jurassic and BTTF with DVD and Blu Rays with single releases like ET getting a triple dip of DVD,2k Blu and a 4k Blu. Some looked cheap and generally not taking advantage of the 12" Space but a few like Indiana Jones took full LD inspired glory. If you look them up the Indy trilogy has the original art work and! The only BIG Sleeve to have the THX logo printed on the jacket as well as a picture of George wearing his THX t-shirt from a BTS snap from Last Crusade. I think T2 got an LP release that came with a Blu Ray not many years ago? But it is the new Grain Free 3d ready 4k in the package. But again. Such a wonderful video and may I say, a far departure from that c*** u went through. May that rest as a one off! Brilliant as ever Cheers Oh... while I remember if anyone wants to hear the Kodak DCS sound mix get the R1 THX snapper case. It has the track on that and it's full Gary Rydstorm wanting to blast your socks off with great bass and wide Dynamic range giving the 2.0 PCM laserdisc a run for its audio money
Thank you Jeffan. I have never seen any of those LD sized packaged releases. I don't suppose there was enough interest if there were around 40 of them done and then the plug was pulled. I wouldn't normally even think of the packaging but so many people leave comments about how disappointed they are with the inlays or slip covers of modern releases that when I look at a LaserDisc gatefold it always makes me think how reintroducing something like that would stop all the complaints. If that the DVD snapper case of T2 you tell us about at the end of your comment? Any chance of pointing us to a listing on eBay or somewhere else so we all know what to look for? John.
After the original Craig. Yes, The Terminator is another of my favourite films but T2 is probably the second best sequel ever made... after Aliens. John.
I think a great many of us feel the same way about T2. I think The Terminator is the better film but there's not another action film quite like the sequel. John.
Hello John, What a nice surprise to see Ben and Anthony with you. Your cinema still looks lovely. Ben and I go back about 30ish years. I loved this video and the chat between the three of you. You made some interesting points about a Dolby optical Stereo track on one print sounding much better than the Dolby Digital track on the same print, which is not unusual. I have known it when a digital print has looked better and sounded better than the 70mm print of the same film. (not mentioning any dates or film titles). In your home cinema you and Ben turn your subs off to be respectful to your neighbors. I do the same in my home cinema., It was nice that you praised Ben for enhancing your sound system. I enjoyed listening to Anthony about the documentaries he has made. An excellent and very interesting video. Thank you. All the best. Spoolbox
Evening Fred. Ben's an excellent cinema equipment engineer as much as being a great friend and colleague. He's also been working on my portable 35mm and if we can ever get that right it might be making a day trip to your home cinema so we can get you on camera with film again. I think that would make for a very good talking point to get all the memories streaming out of you. It's the sound that's the big issue at the moment but Ben's still trouble shooting it. We don't have neighbours so close to worry about here so the subwoofer is a wall shaker in this house. After T2 I found glasses in one of the kitchen cupboards had worked their way over the edge of a shelf. That was close. By the way, Ben and I both worked/helped out at the BFCC. Ben did a 70mm show for us one time with a reel of Lawrence Of Arabia. Incredible. A one day setup and show and we had Super 8, 16mm, 35mm and 70mm. Had to be out of the hall by 6pm so that took some doing. John.
As a projectionist had a lot of fun with the opening of T2, we had a bloody good sound system and that opening sequence when the robot foot stamps on the skull we up the subs and up the volume on that one moment and watch the audience jump out of their seats and skins obviously turning things down once the sound effects really kick in, you had to be sensible with peoples hearing!
Evening Graham. I hadn't thought of turning that foot stomp onto the skull up louder... but I was shooting some video at the time so I think I have a good excuse. Actually, I spent more time turning the volume down because it was blasting us out of our seats. But I think had to put it back up for the quieter dialogue sequences. Great fun though. John.
Thanks so much for this John look forward to seeing the future video - must’ve been a thrill to watch it again - I’ve seen it in every version, the pq demo scene was always the Mexico magic hour scenes ‘the future is not set’ - also look out for the reflection of Jim Cameron when the police car pulls up to the voight house - soooo jealous enjoy 👍
I've never noticed the reflection of James Cameron. I will have to run the Super 8 print soon as I haven't watched it in a few years now so I'll keep my eyes peeled then. John.
Well now I understand what you meant when you said that I should've been there. I wish I had been. How marvelous to see that beautiful looking film in the original way. I still remember seeing the T-1000 pouring into the helicopter and telling the pilot to "get out."
It is a sensational action film Timothy but I've only ever seen it on film. 70mm, 35mm and Super 8 to be precise. I have seen clips of the LaserDisc and I remember that looking very good too. Interestingly, I was able to take notice of the digital effects this time and how well they stand up. It's obvious the quality isn't as good during the CGI sequences but better than many films that came afterwards for years. John.
This is fascinating! I've been a fan of this channel for quite some time, and I always find these film discussion videos to be quite interesting. My dream as an aspiring filmmaker is to learn how to operate a film projector, and understand the guts of a projector to better understand how they work. Amazing video, thank you!
Brilliant John, nice to see the FP20 running, its an ideal 35mm projector for home use. We had three projectors at the cinema, one being a new FP20 and regard it as one of the quietest running 35mm around. We made a video way back of Movieland cinema and the projectors, including threading up the Kinoton. The video is on you-tube, as much as I like using a video projector these days, running 35mm film is very special. Regarding T2 I have watched the 3D conversion and it looks great on the Epson VP, thanks again John.
Evening Graham. I think I can guarantee that I will never watch a 3D of Terminator 2. I just can't imagine that but I'm not the biggest fan of complete features in 3D anyway. I do like an occasional novelty and a few features have surprised me such as DREDD which I thought was pretty terrific. The FP20 is proving to be a lot of fun. Having the sound working as it should took a while but it was Ben who sorted that out for me. It is surprising how good the analogue Dolby SR is at times but that was my opinion in 1993 when we had the switch to digital sound because quite often I thought sound used to be better with good old Dolby Stereo. I'll try to remember to take a look for your UA-cam video of all the projectors. I've probably watched it before but I can never get enough of seeing film projectors working. John.
Aliens in 4K basically looks like a different film now. I’m aghast at what they did to it. The same goes for True Lies. Amazing video. Super interesting and I look forward to the next.
True Lies looked quite good in here by the time we'd finished tweaking every possible setting. Trevor of Double Bill Movies still felt like the Blu-ray was better but I preferred the 4K, but it was close. We both agreed the LaserDisc had the best sound though. Aliens not being perfect isn't really a problem because every LD copy of it I have (three I think) is good and the Super 8 features are exceptionally good so there's not really much need for anything else. But it should be a good test to see which Simon and I prefer between 35mm and 4K. I think we all know what to expect but the 4K may surprise us. It's aimed at a more general audience who don't necessarily understand how films really look and just want the cleanest looking image on their home video discs. Aliens 35mm/4K video COMING SOON. Thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a comment. John.
This is the best one I've done so far. Hopefully we won't have to move again so we'll enjoy it for many years to come. It's only about 11.5 ft square plus the little lobby area. The screen is 10 feet when the side masking is fully open but with the 35mm I'm currently only able to enlarge to about 8.5 feet. The main thing I want to make with all this is that it's actually all quite easy to do it if there is a spare room. We used to have it all in our living room in central London and that was just as enjoyable. All hidden away until night time and then the screen rolled down from behind a pelmet to completely cover one side of the room. John.
I saw the 70mm blow-up at one of our premiere cinemas in Houston back in the day. The six-track Dolby sound was astounding, of course, and I distinctly remember the picture quality being SO much better than the 70mm Aliens blow-up, which was very grainy. I figured that Cameron was now able to afford better film stock. That, and the technology had most likely improved.
I expect there was quite a lot more to why T2 looked so much better than Aliens. It was Super 35 and then blown up to the 'Scope frame which shouldn't have helped but the early 1990's did have some wonderful looking films in cinemas and T2 was no exception. I suspect Kodak were producing and supplying superior negative stock to what was on offer or what they had available in 1986. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I thought the reason for shooting Super 35 was to create a sharper scope image without introducing the Panavision lens aberrations on the left and right side of the frame.
Kim over at Bored_Tech has done some extremely educational film related videos Darrell. He's quite new to film which makes them even more impressive. Hopefully the Aliens 35mm/4K video is COMING SOON! John.
I vividly remember the day out to the cinema to watch T2 back in 1992 when i was 17 with my best friend, nearest cinema was the Odeon in Swansea so 70 miles from my home, great day out, no matter the damage to the print you have here its still better then the dreadful 4k disc
I wonder if your trip to see T2 might have been 1991 Aidey. Hopefully a cinema or two are still surviving in Swansea today and will do so for years to come. As for the 35mm print, the 4K disc could be the best home video disc ever released but as long as an equivalent 35mm print will still go through a projector, I think I'd prefer to watch that. Seeing T2 here on 35mm again after many years has reminded me how exciting it is to screen film at home. There's just something about it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes it must of been 1991 John as we saw it as soon as it was released , i still have the ticket stub here somewhere!! I think Swansea has a UCI cinema there now, i have not been to the cinema there for years.. I have an Independant Cinema/Theatre about 500 yards from my house Called Theatre Mwldan and thats where i see my films.
Excellent channel you have here laddy. I'm a big movie fan and have always wanted a 35mm enabled setup in my house . Only problem is, in England , we have crappy small houses and fitting a decent full projector in them would not be practical or feasible. Plus since films run on 5 reels you'd need a large platter to lace it on and that would take even more space, not possible in a regular generic detached house. You'd need a large house in the south of England for that ,which would, cost a few million . But I've been a huge fan of your channel for 2 years now and I have to tell you a few things about film and 4 k . Film doesn't have a resolution. It consists of a DPI formation which means the resolution is limitless , that's why movies were watchable on VHS AND LASERDISC because there were no pixels and even though the resolution was limited by the vhs / betmax tapes we would still watch them without annoying pixels. 4k and blu Ray are all digital video systems. They are made up of thousands of tiny dots , like the dot matrix displays, and if one pixel is missing then the whole image is distorted, so 4k can never be compared to 35mm . Because Film has no resolution. You can blow it up to any screen size and it will always retain every detail the camera picked up on , cell by cell. Film cells are just like the human eye sees . Now can you put a resolution on the human eye and say it sees at 20k? No. But some scientists will say yes . That's not true , the eye sees in DPI too . Just like Film and of course video and film are 2 different creations altogether. It's true since film comes in different sizes 8mil 16mil 35mil and of course 70mill the resolution stays the same on each format but details is more visible on larger screens for the eye to see. It's not that 16mil is less able than 70mil but it's how the eye translated the detail. If you put a 16mil film on an imax screen the resolution would be the same but the eye would not be able to see the fine details, the details would not be distorted on the screen , but you'd need to get close to see it . 70 mil because the cells are larger the details would be easier to see. Of course it depends on other factors like the type of film , the director shot on , quality, which emulsions and adhesive are used in the manufacturing of film and. Of course the dyes which are used also . Kodak has the best colour and image . Then there the cameras which a director uses. There are many thet can impact the viewing experience by 100% most directors opt for Panavisiin, which is American or Arriflex, which is German , or Moviecam , the three major ones . I would say Panaviaion is the most expensive and then there are the Lenses which are MOST important too. If the director uses the wrong lenses or a cheap lense then the image will be cheap and blurry . So you see film is not the same as 4k and it can never bee the same, even if you scanned a film cell at 200k resolution it still would not capture all the details on that film cell . It's gets very complex and goes into physics as how well the lense captured the photons from the light and then presses that light onto the film cell . Film has the same resolution as the human eye . Hahaha haha glad I was able to feed some input on the subject . Love the channel and love your cinema room .
A portable 35mm like my Ging Gan Shan SPECTRA 90 model is what you need to keep an eye out for. There are better machines but that's a good starter and there are enthusiasts who always step up to help us get the things working as well as possible. The Kinoton FP20 is actually about the same footprint so that might be even better given it takes 6000ft reels. Thank you for taking the time to type up all the information about image quality and resolution. Right back in the early days of the whole HD video era there were comparisons of 'resolution' and while film cannot be equated there were estimates of around 900 lines for Kodachrome Super 8. Later on when the 2K DI nonsense came about which so harmed cinema across the western world, 35mm film began to have a capability equivalent of more than 5K applied to it. None of this is entirely true but simply estimates to put things into perspective. The advantage of digital video is it is cheap and that was clearly the main driver. Film is still my preferred choice but I do appreciate being able to project 4K videos at home and get close to cinema as we used to know it. 35mm film projection at home is cinema as we used to know it of course. John.
Very good point Ben made about T2 in CDS. The only home video release to date that still has the original CDS is an early R1 DVD edition (I have a copy if it). The audio is superb. There were only a handful of CDS films, some are still stuck in Laserdisc limbo. I have a nearly complete CDS collection. Hudson Hawk is one that lost its CDS, the LD is Matrixed 4.1, not CDS, for example. Assuming for your screening you didn't have access to a CDS decoder?
The piece about Aliens at the end reminded me also of Alien. That's another one with a history still stuck in Laserdisc limbo. The THX Laserdisc has the original 70mm Sensurround 6 Track audio on it. No other release of the film has that available to date. I took the Sensurround Laserdisc track, dumped it bit perfect and muxed it to a dump of my 4K copy of the disc. It's now safely preserved on my NAS with the track added to it. A very good audio track and a shame it's hard to come by for many folks alas.
Apparently there were only ever one or two prints over here with the CDS track so even if we did track one of them down the chances of getting the sound equipment to decode it would probably be the hardest part of all. I'd forgotten all about CDS until Ben mentioned it while we were recording. LaserDisc does seem to have been the best video disc format for original sound now that I'm looking back at it. John.
@moviecollector5920 a quick and easy one to try which has CDS sound is the R2 DVD of Dick Tracy. The nightclub shootout scene is fantastic, even with the limitations of DVD. A more obscure film I have on Laserdisc that has incredible CDS sound is the 1991 film Final Approach. Even the open titles are enough to smash your eardrums to bits with a small toffee hammer! Highly recommended.
@moviecollector5920 it's a terrible DVD, just Vanilla, nothing on it. But it does have that all important CDS audio. A good demo scene is Big Boy Caprice slurping soup before the gun battle scene. The slurps ripple forward with great separation on the sound stage. A simple thing, maybe, but effective I thought. The DVD is for peanuts on Amazon too (black cover, for a fiver, it has the 5.1 track on it which is actually the CDS track) so well worth it. Hope to see you review it in future maybe!? All the best John.
And I've never actually watched my copy Steve. It was just purchased to get the original Dolby Stereo (SR) sound onto the Super 8 print. Which sounds great by the way. John.
Amazing and must be an incredibly rare 35mm. What a treat it must have been. Thanks for another wonderful video John. How about an Aliens screening - I know you have the Super 8, do any of your friends have a larger print?
Filmed the Aliens 35mm/4K comparison yesterday Key. It's going to take a while before I can put it all together though. T2 on 35mm is actually quite common with film collectors. It was such a massive film in 1991 that quite few prints were kept from the bandsaw treatment before going into the landfill. If only we could get some of those prints back into cinemas, but that's a job for the future by which time there will be even fewer cinemas in existence that need saving. John.
@@TravelHonestly I've just spent the last two hours or so editing the Aliens shots from yesterday and it looks like it's going to end up being very nice indeed. Probably a day or two solid editing to get it as good as possible yet though. John.
Saw it twice in 35mm at the PCC over the years. What an experience, the old Guild Distribution Logo, the Carolco logo, and then having that bass booming out of the speakers makes you wonder why on earth would you want to remaster films 😂 And it was watching The Terminator in 35mm (again at the PCC) and that question cemented itself. The print of T1 I saw had burns and flicker and I’ve had trouble rewatching it ever since. It really doesn’t replicate the experience.
I have The Terminator on Super 8 with Dolby Stereo sound and it's wonderful in every respect. I can't imagine watching that film on any video format but a 35mm print would be nice to have too. I expect my equipment would project it without the flicker issue you experienced. I think you told me about the problem before and I now seem to recall that some people are susceptible to perceiving it. Hopefully it was a one off for you and all other film screenings will be perfect. John.
Excellent ‘talking heads’ 35mm film review, John… enjoyed it a lot. Now looking forward to the Ghostbusters 2 documentary… I actually watched T2 during the original release in 1991 in Singapore. It was showing at one of Singapore’s premier cinemas - huge screen and a 70mm blow up print, it was a great experience. I bought the LD box set many years later (with the metallic T2 logo on the front). Still have that… So, what do you think of the Terminator 2 4K release compared to the reel film experience? A lot of reviews call it ‘waxinator’ due to the excessive use of DNR removing all the grain and detail. But it seems a scrubbed 3-D version was used for the 4K release by mistake instead of the true 4k master… Thanks
I have nearly purchased the T2 4K a couple of times when it's been on offer for a tenner Stephen. But it always seems like a waste of money for something I'm never going to watch. I did just spend £20 on a 4K of Aliens I'll never watch though so madder things have happened. I have both T2 and Aliens on Super 8 so unless something happens to those wonderful prints then I'm unlikely to ever watch a home video equivalent. 35mm prints of both would be nice to have though! A couple of comments have suggested T2 is going to get a new 4K video master soon. We'll see. John.
It is always special to screen a 35mm print of anything but T2 is a little extra special. I have had the Super 8 print for over 30 years so I've never had to watch Terminator 2 on any home video format. But I had seen bits and pieces on that LaserDisc and I remember it being of very good quality. The sound will likely be the same original theatrical soundtrack as on that 35mm print too which means my Super 8 print has exactly the same thing. John.
Me too. We're going to get together soon. That's the plan anyway and as I have started amassing things to take with me it's looking very likely for any day now. John.
A machine learning the value of human life at the center of the film's story. And IT MUST BE 35 mm. I had fun following the conversation of three wise men...
Thank you Jens. We all had a lot of fun playing with T2 on film and then talking about it all and also Anthony's adventures with film documentaries. He's been involved in some great ones. John.
I'll look for the fan documentary cleaning Up the town... Spirit, some people hear it, some people fear it Spirit, some people just won't go near it Sho' as I'm me and the skies are blue The Ghostbusters are back and all brand new....The two soundtracks from Ghostbusters 1 and 2 are also unforgettable. For me Ghostbusters 2 is just ahead because of songs by New Edition, Bobby Brown and Run DMC...
@@JensStelzer Ray Parker's team didn't agree to the use of the great theme song but the track created to replace that in Cleanin' Up The Town is almost as catchy and I can't get it off my mind for days after I hear it. John.
Nice video! Must’ve been quite a thing to see it in 35mm. T2 was the first R rated movie I’d ever seen. Smuggled a VHS copy into the house and watched it in the basement when it was originally released on video. I believe I was 12. I was normally too scared to watch R rated films but T2 just seemed to cool to pass up.
It was astounding at the Odeon Leicester Square. A 70mm blow up print back then meant the ultimate sound - six track magnetic. Phew! What an experience that was. John.
I have yet to watch this video, but I'm interested in how the 35mm version compares to the 4K release of this film, and if the colour timing is as drastically different as many have claimed it is. Update: Ah so you mention this near the end of this video - looking forward to seeing it!
I haven't seen the 4K of Terminator 2 so I'm not best placed to judge it. However, there are some fleeting glimpses of the 35mm on screen which should give you some idea. However, colour on film looks slightly different depending on the light source being used to get it on screen. I'd say that nothing is ever exact so don't take any of it too seriously. Modern re-workings of films tend to use computer video editing to grade them and that means that different aspects within each frame can be amended and graded independently of the rest of the frame. With film grading is a frame at a time and the whole of that frame at once of course. John.
its amazing how many cinemas are still running ac3 dolby today, in 1999 i saw phantom menace in sony sdds which was odd when the trailer played as i had never heard of sony sdds
Audio Code 3 - now there's a blast from the past. I think AC-3 is a better identity for a sound format than anything else. The LaserDiscs that came with Dolby Digital carried that AC-3 identity. Those were the days. John.
@moviecollector5920 the 35mm version of micheal manns the keep has the opening on the Internet and it looks amazing.. Although a film people love to hate on i personally think even it's confusing vhs edit is amazing
@@james-he1op When 6.1 and 7.1 first appeared on the home market I got an amp to do it. The room was too small and all it did was muddy the rear sound. I soon reverted back to the 5.1. John.
I am so glad I found and subscribed to your page. I love all your content and today was a special surprise. I so wished we lived closer and could meet and talk film and home entertainment viewing. You are excellent sir. Thank you. Question, is this 35 mm film anamorphic. Do you have the lenses for projecting anamorphic? - Toronto, Canada.
Morning Mike. Yes, it's anamorphic and yes, I have the lens to unsqueeze it thanks to my fellow film collecting friends. It's a wonderful community of like-minded enthusiasts. Ben did so much work to this projector to make the sound perfect and that really meant we were all able to enjoy T2 with great picture (thank you Steve Rowley and Noel Pratt) and sound. John.
Wow. How amazing is that. What a treat. I’ve watched my box set laser disc so much. I never watched the DVD although I purchased it. And have bought the remastered version cause I’m a huge 3D. But still haven’t watched it. I think I may watch it sooner because of your post. Thanks again. And keep up the great work. And more importantly keep enjoying the movies. Can’t believe how much of a deal your friend got the print for. What a great deal and find. I can only imagine the sound you had playing the film that night. What a set up! Cheers!
Note: There is no LFE in Dolby SR. There is a subwoofer channel derived from the L and R channels but not a separate/discrete .1 LFE channel. For Dolby Digital, the opposite is true - there is no subwoofer channel derived from the L and R channels, but rather an .1 LFE that only works when asked to. :)
And that is the main reason why the Dolby SR track sounding superior to the Dolby Digital track on Speed 2 and a few others I've heard is such a surprise. We all thought 'digital' was a panacea but there's no doubt that the use of computer sound and the chance to use the 'digital' buzz word was also partially a marketing ploy. I do wish 'digital' was always given the true label of 'binary' then maybe we wouldn't all be so quick to swallow what we're fed. It's a minor quibble though because the digital sound is still excellent, just not quite as good as the analogue at times. John.
@@moviecollector5920 John, don't forget that Dolby Digital in the cinema is only 320 kbps for all 6 channels, which is perhaps the biggest reason why DD in the cinema may not sound very good. Admittedly, it has a larger dynamic range, split surround channels and discrete LFE unlike Dolby SR, but it can sometimes sound...ehm...scratchy. TrueHD in the home is something else entirely. :)
@@adissabovic Good point. I often found digital sound to be disappointing compared to what we had been enjoying up to 1993. I realize that part of that disappointment was because 70mm prints had become rare to the point of non-existent and with them the six track magnetic sound. John.
I envy you guys. I would love to watch an original 35mm print of T2, my favorite action film of all time. A dream of mine would be to own a movie theater like that, complete with the projector and 35mm print of T2
There are quite a lot of 35mm prints still extant out there Luke. So many managed to avoid a date with the band saw and crusher after the theatrical run. Seems crazy that 35mm prints all faced this fate years ago. Cinemas are crying out for them now to generate an occasional audience. Oh well. John.
I'm personally partial to the 3D conversion that was done in the 2010s, but I'd love to see a 35 mm print of this movie in person. When I try to host movie nights with friends in VR chat, I make sure to at least include a sound format trailer before the movie starts. I mainly have a lot of old Dolby digital promos from the 90s (stuff like City, Egypt, Temple and train all with AC3 audio tracks, which is perfect for my setup) and a lot of THX bumpers from that THX store demo DVD. I have my Plex ever set up to randomly pick one before a movie starts as well. Heck, when I did Jurassic Park, even though it was the 3D conversion, I still managed to find a copy of the DTS digital experience trailer (A 4K scan of a print that somebody uploaded with surround sound audio) And I just made sure to play that before the movie started just to complete the experience of being in a theater.
Sounds to me like you're an ideal candidate to become a film collector Chris. You'd then have to set about finding all those trailers and snipes on film. It really is a lot of fun. John.
Visited BFI Southbank NFT1 for the first time last Saturday to watch the epic 5 hour Red Cliff (Parts I and II). In the downstairs lobby they have a Philips DP70. My friend wondered how that compares with a Kinoton FP75 which is what NFT1 previously had installed (~June 2017)? If you or one of your friends know John, would be interested to hear how each projector compares against one another. Thanks.
Well, I believe the DP70 is the only piece of cinema equipment to have ever been awarded a US Academy Award. I don't think anyone would challenge the supremacy of that great projector over anything else but you never know. The DP70 could also project TODD-AO which was 70mm at 30fps as well as the standard 35mm and 70mm at 24fps. One heck of a piece of kit. My colleague Steve Rowley has two of 'em! John.
Looking forward to you comparing Aliens on film vs the new 4K! I would also like to hear your thoughts on the other new James Cameron 4k remasters. I’m not fundamentally happy about the use of A.I. on film restorations, but the new 4K-restored Titanic, Aliens and The Abyss have been mostly enjoyable on my home OLED. I saw The Terminator (1984) as the new 4K remaster a few nights ago on a big screen in a movie theatre here in Finland. It looked good to me and I was fully able to enjoy the movie - no awful A.I. artifacts caught my attention. I do plan to add that 4k-disc in my collection, as well. However, I do hope the use of AI will not be the standard for future 4k-restorations in physical media. A 4k/8k scan and removing scratches and blemishes should be enough, and has been enough.
I did cover True Lies Kalle so look for that video which was more of a preview to the full video going up on Trevor's Double Bill Movies channel. Trevor thought the Blu-ray preferable but I felt the 4K just pipped it. Both of us thought the LaserDisc had the best sound. I haven't seen the 4K of The Abyss but I have seen a clip and it looked very good to me. But then it should because it was a great looking film. Aliens should look good but I expect both Simon and I to prefer the film print. That's Coming Soon! John.
I haven't seen the 4K but I think we all know there will be no possible comparison owing to the 4K coming from half of the 3D abomination. Apparently it's going to get a re-release so hopefully more of a true representation of what the 35mm prints looked like next time around. John.
It's the UK release Floyd. That's the one I think the three of us would all prefer to see as it was what we saw in 1991 so more authentic to reproduce the sensational first screening we all were astounded by back then. John.
The American werewolf in London in 4k also includes "Beware the Moon" documentary I'm happy to say. Also put out my arrow. The 4K did not include the Blu-ray just the 4K. Not sure if I feel happy about that. I like getting the Blu-ray when I buy the 4K. And I wanted to add ,it did not include the digital copy either. And for the price it should have. Wasn't cheap
If everything is on the 4K though Mark, what do we need a duplicate on Blu-ray for? I know some people like to watch their discs over and over again and in several rooms where they don't always have 4K players everywhere, but that has got to be a rarity. I've had a few 4K players develop the 4K Fault but where that happens I want to see the film as a 4K disc and not the Blu-ray which means I've had to replace them (with one exception - Apollo 11, which looks just as good on Blu-ray). John.
I never saw one of those. I think gatefold LP/LD size 4K special multi-disc releases would work and sell well. They'd also take up less space on a shelving rack. 100 LaserDiscs take up far less space than 100 DVD's or Blu-rays. John.
@@moviecollector5920They were out for a short time a few years back. I really liked them, but obviously not enough did as they stopped making them. There were a few big titles such as Back to the future, jurassic Park, indiana Jones and some Disney films. But they weren't really around long enough to produce T2 and the like, which was a shame.
I only thave the Super 8 chase sequence of T2, but it is great quality. At an NFT talk the Dolby people said that if the Dolby Digital track failed ot would revert to Dobly Stereo and no-one would notice!!! I aslo saw a showing of "Walkabout" in NFT2 this year - unfortunately no Q&A wiht Jenny after.
Evening Brian. I think The Chase extract is even better quality than the feature but all these prints vary so it might just be my copy. It is Derek's check print which came down for the BFCC and Keith had to record the sound onto it because it was mute. A brilliant reel though and I ran it a couple of weeks ago. I run a reel of 35mm trailers this afternoon and one of those trailers sounds particularly good. The amazing thing is that it's the only one without digital sound. John.
Yesterday I watched a copy of jacob's ladder on laserdisc on dolby stereo up mixed in to newer Atmos up mixer dolby surround and I was amazed how good it was it was 10 times better then todays mixes of Dolby digital + on streaming. On the older laserdisc mix I was like how in the heck is this going on I hear sound all over anyway it blew me away. I wish todays mixes would be close to that and not so front sound heavey and compressed sounding. I bet T2 in dolby stereo was amazingon on 35mm I have a LD se edition I should put in a revisit soon I have been watching the 4k edition in the last few years and im use to that one .
LaserDisc always came with the original soundtracks and it can be surprising how good they sound today. Earlier this year Trevor from Double Bill Movies came over with the 4K of TRUE LIES as well as the Blu-ray and the DVD. I had the LaserDisc. We both felt the LD had the best sound of them all. Another snippet I'll impart is that because I was early into the home Dolby Stereo surround sound thing more than 30 years ago - to give us cinema sound to match the ten foot screen and many of the best Super 8 feature releases - I was always looking to get better and better sound. When the 6.1 and 7.1 amplifiers came to market I couldn't resist but I quickly realized the sound was muddied. I decided a much bigger room was required to get the best out of all that and so I quickly went back to 5.1 and unless I ever get a home cinema about 20 foot square, that's how I'm staying. However, smaller speakers would probably benefit from more of them but I've been THX Ultra for more than 20 years now so that ain't ever going to happen. John.
I've never watched it Andy but the Kyle Reese sequence is shown in the theatrical trailer. That alone made me realize why it was excised. How to upset the flow of a film was my thinking. John.
Not the biggest fan of T2 for some reason. I prefer The Terminator personally. Aliens on the other hand is James Cameron's best film to date! It is exceptional and easily in top 3 best films ever made. Never got to see it at the cinema as I was only 10 years old back in 1986😂. Cheers John.
I too think The Terminator is the better film but as an action spectacular, I can't think of another quite like T2. The Aliens 35mm/4K shoot should be COMING SOON. I saw Aliens four times in the cinema - three times in 70mm (a blow-up of course) and once in 35mm. John.
Hands down the best cinematic experience I’ve ever had was watching T2 when it originally came out, relentlessly brilliant.
An astounding film. It probably plays even better today though which makes it even more impressive than I ever realized and I was impressed enough back in 1991.
John.
Too bad Cameron makes horrific UHD releases.
@@Phil_529 I recommend the Skynet Edition for the blu ray it has all the previously released special features and the extended cut included.
I absolutely love T2, although I was 3 in 1991, so I haven't seen it on big screen. My best cinema experience was probably The Matrix.
@@mrnmrn1 I think T2 would be good on any big screen but probably to get the best out of it, it would have to be a film print. It just wouldn't feel right watching that great film on video, however good it might be. It's an historic film of its time and possibly there should be screenings of such films regularly in major city centres across the world so that people who were too young to have lived it when these films were in cinemas can still have the experience of going back to those great days today. Having said that, most cinemas aren't run by people with the knowledge or interest. John.
Saw it 7 times at the cinema back in 91! Still my all time favourite film!
I only saw it the once, that 70mm blow-up at the Odeon, but I've never seen T2 on anything other than film and this is because miraculously full-length 'Scope Super 8 prints were issued a year or so after its theatrical release. I've had that Super 8 print ever since.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's fantastic! A piece of cinematic history!
That opening future war sequence is an absolutely sublime piece of filmmaking.
One of the greatest film openings ever. It didn't escape me at that 70mm blow-up screening at the Odeon in 1991. I wanted that sequence on Super 8 right there and then. And then amazingly, the whole film was issued on Super 8.
John.
I remember being 8 years old, it’s nearly Christmas in 1989 and my parents have taken me to the Worcester Foregate Street Odeon to see Ghostbusters 2. I can still feel the excitement of waiting on the cold entrance steps (they made you queue outside back then!) and then being let in and being treated to popcorn. Absolutely loved the experience. I know it’s not revered as the first, but it’ll always hold those memories for me. Really looking forward to the upcoming documentary!
It's those sort of memories that set me on a path to a lifelong love of film and cinema. I don't think I've actually ever seen Ghostbusters 2 so that's COMING SOON! John.
Cleanin' up the Town is an exceptionally good documentary, really looking forward to the sequel.
T2 is pretty good too!
I expect Anthony will see your kind comment here. Thank you for that. 'Beware The Moon' is excellent too. John.
Thank you very much for saying that. Really is appreciated :)
Nothing beats watching a movie on 35mm in a theater. Not even the most perfect digital copy can compete with that.
Apart from 70mm and 15/70 perhaps. John.
I've just chanced across this lovely video tonight. All of you clearly have so much love and respect for this movie (and I suspect movies in general) and your collective joy having just watched and experienced T2 on 35mm again is just infectious. I'm sat here with a huge grin on my face at the end of my 45th birthday (I was too young for this in the cinema, but a huge fan from VHS release onward) and listening to you all geek out about the technical elements and issues of the format(s) is truly wonderful. Cheers to all, and thanks for a great ending to my bday.
Happy Birthday for yesterday Marmotman. And thank you for leaving such a lovely comment on here. Aliens next I hope.
John.
So much to comment on in this video! John, you don't know how much I have pined for the return of those great laserdisc gatefold covers. Actually, I wish the size of physical media discs had stayed the same, but only increased in picture and sound quality. Something special about spinning those LP-sized shiny discs and the great cover art.
It was all about saving money when the CD sized disc finally supplanted the LaserDisc as the home video of choice. CD-I failed because the image quality was about the same as a lowly VHS tape but DVD got it right a few years later.
John.
Wow - what a treat! Opening battle in the future war is still beyond the imagination of most directors. I bet you were smiling constantly!
I’ve had this film on quite a few formats (my best edition being DVD t-1000 ultimate edition special edition). THX intro is still the best Sound intro ever made. This film is perfection - grown up with it (I’m 41).
Thanks, Clark.
When that opening sequence revealed itself to us at the Odeon Leicester Square in 1991 Clark I leaned over to my wife and said that if only one short extract appears on Super 8, I hope it's that. It was quite unbelievable to us film collectors when the feature arrived about a year later. John.
Cleanin Up The Town is amazing
Agreed. 👍
I hope Anthony sees your comments here chaps.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 me too, I turned a lot of people on to it
Very kind of you to say 😊
Thank you for this video, this brought back some great memories for me! I used to live in Germany and as a huge fan, I bought a 35mm copy of T2 in the late 90s off of eBay for around 300 Deutsch Marks (this was before the Euro). I never owned a 35mm projector but a friend of a friend had one and we got together once and I was able to see it projected. I since then moved to the US, but I still own it.
There are 35mm projectors about so it's worth asking around if you have any friends who may know someone in the cinema industry. Failing that, machines do appear all over the world on eBay. You won't need digital sound for T2 which will make the whole thing a little easier to get working properly but if you can find a kit that comes ready with the digital sound capability and Dolby processor to handle it then that will be even better. My other 35mm projector is a portable which takes 2000ft spools. A reel change every 20 minutes or so but that's a lot of the fun with that machine.
John.
Likely the greatest scifi action film ever made. I doubt there will ever be such an experience again.
I expect you're right there. Nothing else has ever come close but I do still prefer The Terminator as a film. T2 is more of a thrill ride but still great. John.
@ yes i agree, terminator is my favorite if i have to choose, but as a movie experience t2 is borderline perfect. You can start to see Jim Cameron’ softening’ slightly though. I have never liked the whole fsther son relationship thing between John and the terminator. It’s just silly, but I’ll give it a pass
@@tbip2001 Some of the interactions between John Connor and the Terminator are hilarious though and that's why I've always accepted the whole relationship. Shame he had to be melted at the end though. When his arm was crushed (this was my thinking at the Odeon in 1991) I thought, just as well they've still got the arm from the first Terminator. Alas, either that solution wasn't thought of or it was a better idea to melt the poor bugger. Then we had the same ending in Alien 3. But I won't say any more about that debacle otherwise I could bang on for hours. John.
It's my favorite movie of all time , great sequel , effects that still hold up and every time i watch the film i am amazed with the cinematography. It was such a big hit back then and i was counting down the days till it's release. And it did not disappoint , i remember when the credits rolled I thought "i just saw a very special movie' and that remains till this day.
I felt like I'd seen a very special film after that opening future was sequence Remco. I can still remember the blue hue to the overall image which no doubt 4K collectors have been complaining about as 'Teal'. Thankfully the 35mm print has it too. It looks great.
John.
I was just 10 years old when this came out. The sheer excitemne t and buzz around this was insane. I remember our teacher coming over to us on the field at primary school to tell us what it was like. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Among us Super 8 collectors it was a bit of a pipe dream but then about a year after its general release we were offered full length 'Scope prints. A dream come true. John.
@@moviecollector5920 are there any legal implications with obtaining 35mm prints? I was always under the impression they belonged to the studios . Glad you’ve got it though!
Absolutely wonderful video John. I remember seeing T2
Four times at the cinema. Incredible experience.
I only ever saw it once and then hoped that one day we would get an extract or something on Super 8. And then the whole damned feature appeared in 'Scope. A dream!
John.
My favourite movie of all-time!
Thank you John.
It's among my favourites too Cheekster but I hold The Terminator in even higher esteem. That Simon fellow has a 35mm print of that too, the lucky bugger!
John.
@ - The new 40th Anniversary re-release of The Terminator looked great at BFI IMAX. The movie has never looked as good imo.
@@cheekster777 Better than the Super 8 release? Never!
Oh wow! T2 is one of my favorites. I'd say it's in my top 10 favorite movies, certainly my favorite action movie. And this was a great video. I'd love to see more videos of you with your friends discussing the movies you watched. The giddy excitement is quite potent. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking forward to your take on Aliens.
It's a great film Andy. I think The Terminator is the better film though but T2 is possibly the second best sequel ever made. Aliens being the best so that's next hopefully.
John.
Great video, I've got T2 on laserdisc- what a classic!
Possibly one of the few home video releases to come with the original soundtrack. And the image quality is pretty special too judging by the clips I've seen on my own LaserDisc.
John.
A rollercoaster of a movie, if ever there was one. Not an ounce of fat from start to finish. Jaw dropping special effects at the time, and seamless use of miniatures, cgi, rear projection. Thankfully the smiling Arnold deleted scene didn’t make the final edit but I liked the deleted scene where the chip was removed from the T-800.
I’ve read not-so-good things about the 4k image so I’ll have to make do with my old disk.
Thank you and the guys for this video.
A few comments have suggested a remastered 4K disc is on the cards so I hope it gets closer to how a 35mm print looks if it does ever materialize. Such a shame that it seems the LaserDisc is the home video disc of choice for Terminator 2. More film enthusiasts should have taken up Super 8 years ago then they'd have been able to enjoy some of their favourite films as they should have been seen for more than 30 years now.
John.
Wish i was there with you All, laserdisc oh man that brings back memories, looking forward to the aliens comparison, great video.
We're hoping to do the Aliens thing very soon Benjamin. Coming soon! John.
Nice; I finally found someone else who isn't much a fan of Ghostbusters. Even with all the hype, opening weekend, and a sold out audience howling with laughter, I sat there wondering why I wasn't enjoying it as much as I was supposed to. I watched it several times later, thinking I might have missed something. Nope. It's humorous in a few scenes, particularly those with Rick Moranis, but much of it is nothing special. I'm glad millions of others love it, though. For my money, I'd rather watch 1941 again on the big screen. Now, that's an underrated gem, and Spielberg himself doesn't seem to know this. 🙂
I think much more highly of Ghostbusters as a result of seeing Anthony's feature length documentary. Enthusiasm is infectious and that documentary is full of it along with so much information and appreciation for how the film was made. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I was just thinking that the documentary is probably more interesting than the film itself!
Hi John, great video. Terminator 2 was such an amazing film to see in the cinema, the effects for its time. I had the pal laserdisc. All the best 👍
It was amazing to see it in this miniature home cinema on Saturday Gary. If anything, it's even more impressive today although I have to say, that 70mm blow up at the Odeon was special.
John.
Watching through this video, seeing the clips of T2 and Cleaning Up the Town, such a difference can be seen between the 35mm film and the video presentation. Such an experience that must have been to have 35mm prints playing at home, and with such great company as well. I think most all of us home theater lovers make it our mission, with varying degrees of success (some outside of our control), to try and recreate that film exhibition experience at home. What a treat it must have been! Cheers.
It's always special to run a film print Eric but the video projection is better than it looks. Whatever I do, no camera I have set to any of the myriad video formats is able to eliminate the flickering of the DLP projection. To the human eye though, it can be amazingly impressive and many of the 4K discs could be passed off as 35mm with some of the Blu-rays looking fairly exceptional too. 'Cleanin' Up The Town' works extremely well on our rather large home screen and makes it even more enjoyable than it would be on a telly. Having the Director there for this dip into it make it even more special. A great, historical film documentary. There aren't many quite like it.
John.
Greetings from Canada! 🇨🇦
Love this sort of content John! Nothing better than a couple of vets giving us a look behind the curtain. Great video!
Thank you Jeremy. There's nothing quite like running a film print in the home. John.
Really enjoyed this John. Great to see you chaps together talking about some great films.
It was a lot of fun Conáll. I'm so pleased that so many people tell me they enjoyed watching and listening to us. John.
Great video! So amazing to be able to project film at home, especially 35mm, what a treat! T2 remains a favourite I've seen so many times, mostly my NTSC LaserDisc box set with the padded exterior! So over the top, but a beautiful presentation! I recently bought the remastered Blu Ray and was disappointed by the smearing from noise reduction, but it's still an enjoyable film. Must fire-up the LD version again soon!
Owing to all the comments I get on this channel I've had reasons to think about what the best home video versions of film releases are and I'm increasingly thinking that LaserDisc would be the way to go for many. They don't work so well on current video projectors but if watching on a telly up to average size then I think many would be more satisfied with them rather than 4K a lot of the time. At least you get the original sound but with T2 I remember the clips I saw on my own LaserDisc being impressive. Not up to the Super 8 quality of course.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 the remastering is certainly a double-edged sword. It can of course bring improvements, but also spoil or change some elements negatively for some people. Cynically, having bought about 45 versions of Aliens, I know it's ultimately about making more money by selling different 'improved' versions. But equally you have to respect the wishes of the film maker for their vision. If James Cameron, Peter Jackson or George Lucas genuinely think xxx is the superior or more authentic version of their vision, then who are we to argue. BUT ultimately maybe we're after different things. Film makers want to see their vision presented, but collectors and enthusiasts may prefer something that's more authentic to their original viewing experience - more of a nostalgia vote - and that's becoming hard to find these days. Indeed, bringing us back to LD as probably the best quality version of the original presentations.
Hi John! Excellent! Thanks for sharing this with us! I remember being intrigued to see Cleaning up the Town after you mentioned it in your earlier video. I'm holding my Blu Ray Steelbook of An AW in London but have not put in in the player yet. I don't own the 4k of this one but need to get it if that's where Anthony's documentary is I really want to see this. Don't even mention J Agutters name I will NOT sleep tonight for her haunting beauty hahahahaha! Darn I'm just gonna go now and reserve my Terminator 4k as a blind buy after watching this video. I was holding out for your review after the fact but now I'm just gonna grab it. Love love love T2. Hoping to hell they rerelease these in cinema's for this new 4k release! Many thanks again for sharing this with us! Cheers D in BC!
I just re-watched 'Beware The Moon' and it's excellent Dave. I had watched it four years ago so I expected to remember more of it than I did. That and Cleanin' Up The Town is how to do a Making of. Oh, Jenny Agutter... say no more!
Hold your horses on the T2 4K though because it's half of the 3D video master file abomination. It's not exactly got the best reputation. The LD is probably the best option there but failing that, the DVD as I've heard the Blu-ray isn't very good.
John.
You are true cinemaphiles. Well done guys.
Thank you. Aliens 35mm/4K comparison COMING SOON! John.
Really looking forward to Too Hot To Handle. I rewatched Ghostbusters 2 for the first time in many years over Halloween and I had an absolute blast with it. Can’t wait to hear all the behind the scenes stories!
Anthony still has some work to do on it and these things always take longer than you expect. But maybe sometime next year he and his sister Claire will find they have another nice premiere. John.
I’ve watched this 22 times at the cinema including 35mm, 70mm blow-up, 3D, Superscreen and as a double-bill with The Terminator at BFI IMAX (DCP as there was never an IMAX release of this movie) in August 2024.
Watched a 35mm Terminator double-bill at Prince Charles Cinema a few years ago.
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Same. I saw both in 35mm and watching the HD and the 4K remasters of both films… it really is no contest.
A 35mm double-bill of The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day is a bit of a dream. I think I'll be making another trip over to Simon after we've done the Aliens show and video because I'm pretty sure he's got them both. You've started me thinking now.
John.
@ - I booked tickets to see a double-bill of The Terminator and Terminator 2 in 35mm at Prince Charles Cinema for a second time in August 2024 but after then seeing that BFI IMAX were also showing both movies (had to purchase tickets for each movie individually) I opted to watch them there instead. Miles bigger screen plus DCP of each including the new restoration of The Terminator for its 40th Anniversary. That set me back £111 for a friend and I to watch both movies once. Almost as much as my prized possession Pioneer Special Edition NTSC LaserDisc Boxset back in the day.
@@cheekster777 I hope you've still got that LaserDisc box set Cheekster. I'd go to see both films on film but I don't think I'd ever work up the enthusiasm for a video projection. I bet they were great on that huge screen though and worth all the money it cost you.
John.
Oh man. I would love to see The Terminator and T2 back to back
Watched T2 in the cinema 1st time round, and when I walked out, I was like, "This is the best sequel ever made for a film( along with aliens) even today in 2024 the special effects just don't date or look stupid. Brilliant and loved watching this little video discussion
Morning Dave. I looked for the CGI this time around and I could tell there was a change in resolution between real film and computer generated images but it was not as obvious as later films. Something was being done differently and more successfully when computer imagery started. Perhaps it was something to do with using Silicon Graphics machines rather than less capable equipment later on. More likely some sort of cost cutting though.
John.
@moviecollector5920 I think personally, if T2 was made today, it wouldn't be any good, not with today's CGI anyway as it looks too unreal, but back then it was something else so your prob right in what your saying. I'd love to watch a reel print from your cinema and chat movies all day long
I was born in 83, so I never saw it in the cinema, but I'd seen the special edition 100 times on VHS and DVD. However when I saw an actual 70mm film print in THX back in 2010, it was like watching it for the first time. It was breathtaking! Wasn't impressed (like many) by the 4K disc, so sticking with my BR 'Skynet Edition' which looks great to me.
The best home movie release appeared in 1993 and that was the 'Scope Super 8 full length prints. That's the one to find but would probably cost about £1K these days. As good as it is, it doesn't come up to the quality of the 70mm blow-ups which were pretty sensational. I remember marvelling at the opening sequence because it looked and sounded so good from the six track magnetic stripes.
John.
Too bad we could not get a CDS (Cinema Digital Sound) version going for you, but its great to have it on film.
We think there were only a couple of CDS prints in Britain. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Ahh. That includes some 70MM blow-ups for a film that just edged out SILENCE OF THE LAMBS for the sound Oscar. Then, can you get a processor that works? Hmmm.
Thanks John. Great video. Must say I’m really looking forward to the Aliens uhd vs 35mm video. On a side note I would happily pay a premium to have the Cameron remastered version and the full grain left in version on a release.
I always used to think the Super 8 prints of Aliens were a little sub-standard Dan but I looked at my first run print a couple of times recently and knowing what I know now, I now think it's a much better print than I ever credited it with before. I think Simon and I may both see the 35mm print a little differently owing to our understanding of how it was made and why it was a little too coarse grained.
John.
What an experience id say that was to have a 35mm screening in your home cinema......very interesting.... Thanks John 👍
We have been running quite a few 35mm prints since Ben sorted out the digital to analogue sound failover Roy but T2 was Ben's print so he made it up onto big reels and brought it up specially. A wonderful day.
John.
Great video. Just a few guys talking projection after a great film. Loved it.
Thank you Dom. Shame you weren't here to join in too.
John.
15:00 I mean WOW!!!
What a treat and to top it off about three weeks ago I added cleaning up the town to my Amazon Christmas wish list! How about that for timing!
I've just punched the time stamp to point out a comment you made (and by now may have been advised on) but first John, I have to say thank you for such a great video. I just wanted to say it before I side track. So.. the part when you open the PAL Laserdisc (which I do own) and mentioned a LD/Vinyl sized box set. Studios did try this. Fox, Universal the BBC and mainly Disney via Star Wars, Marvel and some classic animation and a few of the Live Action remakes did BIG Sleeve Blu Ray. There was something around 30 - 40 titles across the UK and Germany. Different titles had different varieties some came with a DVD, Blu Ray and a Bonus disc. Others like Universal did Trilogy compilations like Jurassic and BTTF with DVD and Blu Rays with single releases like ET getting a triple dip of DVD,2k Blu and a 4k Blu.
Some looked cheap and generally not taking advantage of the 12" Space but a few like Indiana Jones took full LD inspired glory. If you look them up the Indy trilogy has the original art work and! The only BIG Sleeve to have the THX logo printed on the jacket as well as a picture of George wearing his THX t-shirt from a BTS snap from Last Crusade.
I think T2 got an LP release that came with a Blu Ray not many years ago? But it is the new Grain Free 3d ready 4k in the package.
But again. Such a wonderful video and may I say, a far departure from that c*** u went through. May that rest as a one off!
Brilliant as ever
Cheers
Oh... while I remember if anyone wants to hear the Kodak DCS sound mix get the R1 THX snapper case. It has the track on that and it's full Gary Rydstorm wanting to blast your socks off with great bass and wide Dynamic range giving the 2.0 PCM laserdisc a run for its audio money
Thank you Jeffan. I have never seen any of those LD sized packaged releases. I don't suppose there was enough interest if there were around 40 of them done and then the plug was pulled. I wouldn't normally even think of the packaging but so many people leave comments about how disappointed they are with the inlays or slip covers of modern releases that when I look at a LaserDisc gatefold it always makes me think how reintroducing something like that would stop all the complaints.
If that the DVD snapper case of T2 you tell us about at the end of your comment? Any chance of pointing us to a listing on eBay or somewhere else so we all know what to look for?
John.
@moviecollector5920 this should be it based on the image/thumbnail music mag have used
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@@moviecollector5920 not sure why the ebay link is not adding. But here is the video from Spencer that shows the DVD in chapter 5
Wonderful video!
Thank you. John.
A real classic on real film. I can't think of it getting any better!
Aliens perhaps. COMING SOON! John.
Wonderful experience.
Thanks for sharing.
Again, looking forward to the "Aliens" comparison.
Aliens 35mm and 4K should be COMING SOON Saint... very soon if all goes to plan. John.
Best movie in the series John.
After the original Craig. Yes, The Terminator is another of my favourite films but T2 is probably the second best sequel ever made... after Aliens. John.
One word fantasic john remember seeing that at odeon brighton excellent video john
Thank you Dave. John.
So good !!!
So much fun to do too Johto. Every home should have 35mm film projection! John.
Great video John, Terminator 2 was always one of my favourite movies!
I think a great many of us feel the same way about T2. I think The Terminator is the better film but there's not another action film quite like the sequel.
John.
Hello John, What a nice surprise to see Ben and Anthony with you. Your cinema still looks lovely. Ben and I go back about 30ish years. I loved this video and the chat between the three of you. You made some interesting points about a Dolby optical Stereo track on one print sounding much better than the Dolby Digital track on the same print, which is not unusual. I have known it when a digital print has looked better and sounded better than the 70mm print of the same film. (not mentioning any dates or film titles). In your home cinema you and Ben turn your subs off to be respectful to your neighbors. I do the same in my home cinema., It was nice that you praised Ben for enhancing your sound system. I enjoyed listening to Anthony about the documentaries he has made. An excellent and very interesting video. Thank you. All the best. Spoolbox
Evening Fred. Ben's an excellent cinema equipment engineer as much as being a great friend and colleague. He's also been working on my portable 35mm and if we can ever get that right it might be making a day trip to your home cinema so we can get you on camera with film again. I think that would make for a very good talking point to get all the memories streaming out of you. It's the sound that's the big issue at the moment but Ben's still trouble shooting it.
We don't have neighbours so close to worry about here so the subwoofer is a wall shaker in this house. After T2 I found glasses in one of the kitchen cupboards had worked their way over the edge of a shelf. That was close.
By the way, Ben and I both worked/helped out at the BFCC. Ben did a 70mm show for us one time with a reel of Lawrence Of Arabia. Incredible. A one day setup and show and we had Super 8, 16mm, 35mm and 70mm. Had to be out of the hall by 6pm so that took some doing.
John.
As a projectionist had a lot of fun with the opening of T2, we had a bloody good sound system and that opening sequence when the robot foot stamps on the skull we up the subs and up the volume on that one moment and watch the audience jump out of their seats and skins obviously turning things down once the sound effects really kick in, you had to be sensible with peoples hearing!
Evening Graham. I hadn't thought of turning that foot stomp onto the skull up louder... but I was shooting some video at the time so I think I have a good excuse. Actually, I spent more time turning the volume down because it was blasting us out of our seats. But I think had to put it back up for the quieter dialogue sequences. Great fun though.
John.
Thanks so much for this John look forward to seeing the future video - must’ve been a thrill to watch it again - I’ve seen it in every version, the pq demo scene was always the Mexico magic hour scenes ‘the future is not set’ - also look out for the reflection of Jim Cameron when the police car pulls up to the voight house - soooo jealous enjoy 👍
I've never noticed the reflection of James Cameron. I will have to run the Super 8 print soon as I haven't watched it in a few years now so I'll keep my eyes peeled then. John.
Well now I understand what you meant when you said that I should've been there. I wish I had been. How marvelous to see that beautiful looking film in the original way. I still remember seeing the T-1000 pouring into the helicopter and telling the pilot to "get out."
It is a sensational action film Timothy but I've only ever seen it on film. 70mm, 35mm and Super 8 to be precise. I have seen clips of the LaserDisc and I remember that looking very good too. Interestingly, I was able to take notice of the digital effects this time and how well they stand up. It's obvious the quality isn't as good during the CGI sequences but better than many films that came afterwards for years.
John.
@moviecollector5920 that's why the 4k being so badly done is a weeping shame.
This is fascinating!
I've been a fan of this channel for quite some time, and I always find these film discussion videos to be quite interesting. My dream as an aspiring filmmaker is to learn how to operate a film projector, and understand the guts of a projector to better understand how they work.
Amazing video, thank you!
It's all quite easy once you get into it Austin. To start with it can look like a steep learning curve but you will quickly pick it up.
John.
Brilliant John, nice to see the FP20 running, its an ideal 35mm projector for home use. We had three projectors at the cinema, one being a new FP20 and regard it as one of the quietest running 35mm around. We made a video way back of Movieland cinema and the projectors, including threading up the Kinoton. The video is on you-tube, as much as I like using a video projector these days, running 35mm film is very special. Regarding T2 I have watched the 3D conversion and it looks great on the Epson VP, thanks again John.
Evening Graham. I think I can guarantee that I will never watch a 3D of Terminator 2. I just can't imagine that but I'm not the biggest fan of complete features in 3D anyway. I do like an occasional novelty and a few features have surprised me such as DREDD which I thought was pretty terrific.
The FP20 is proving to be a lot of fun. Having the sound working as it should took a while but it was Ben who sorted that out for me. It is surprising how good the analogue Dolby SR is at times but that was my opinion in 1993 when we had the switch to digital sound because quite often I thought sound used to be better with good old Dolby Stereo.
I'll try to remember to take a look for your UA-cam video of all the projectors. I've probably watched it before but I can never get enough of seeing film projectors working.
John.
Aliens in 4K basically looks like a different film now. I’m aghast at what they did to it. The same goes for True Lies.
Amazing video. Super interesting and I look forward to the next.
True Lies looked quite good in here by the time we'd finished tweaking every possible setting. Trevor of Double Bill Movies still felt like the Blu-ray was better but I preferred the 4K, but it was close. We both agreed the LaserDisc had the best sound though. Aliens not being perfect isn't really a problem because every LD copy of it I have (three I think) is good and the Super 8 features are exceptionally good so there's not really much need for anything else. But it should be a good test to see which Simon and I prefer between 35mm and 4K. I think we all know what to expect but the 4K may surprise us. It's aimed at a more general audience who don't necessarily understand how films really look and just want the cleanest looking image on their home video discs.
Aliens 35mm/4K video COMING SOON. Thank you for taking the time to watch and leave a comment.
John.
now this is as cool as can be!!!!!
Thank you Junker. John.
What a dream to own a cinema room like yours!
This is the best one I've done so far. Hopefully we won't have to move again so we'll enjoy it for many years to come. It's only about 11.5 ft square plus the little lobby area. The screen is 10 feet when the side masking is fully open but with the 35mm I'm currently only able to enlarge to about 8.5 feet. The main thing I want to make with all this is that it's actually all quite easy to do it if there is a spare room. We used to have it all in our living room in central London and that was just as enjoyable. All hidden away until night time and then the screen rolled down from behind a pelmet to completely cover one side of the room.
John.
Marvellous. Hopefully one day I'll get there 🤞🏽
I saw the 70mm blow-up at one of our premiere cinemas in Houston back in the day. The six-track Dolby sound was astounding, of course, and I distinctly remember the picture quality being SO much better than the 70mm Aliens blow-up, which was very grainy. I figured that Cameron was now able to afford better film stock. That, and the technology had most likely improved.
I expect there was quite a lot more to why T2 looked so much better than Aliens. It was Super 35 and then blown up to the 'Scope frame which shouldn't have helped but the early 1990's did have some wonderful looking films in cinemas and T2 was no exception. I suspect Kodak were producing and supplying superior negative stock to what was on offer or what they had available in 1986.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I thought the reason for shooting Super 35 was to create a sharper scope image without introducing the Panavision lens aberrations on the left and right side of the frame.
Excellent Video, looking forward to the Aliens comparison video. 🙂 Thanks for the link to the "How the 35mm Print is made" video. Very interesting.
Kim over at Bored_Tech has done some extremely educational film related videos Darrell. He's quite new to film which makes them even more impressive.
Hopefully the Aliens 35mm/4K video is COMING SOON!
John.
I vividly remember the day out to the cinema to watch T2 back in 1992 when i was 17 with my best friend, nearest cinema was the Odeon in Swansea so 70 miles from my home, great day out, no matter the damage to the print you have here its still better then the dreadful 4k disc
I wonder if your trip to see T2 might have been 1991 Aidey. Hopefully a cinema or two are still surviving in Swansea today and will do so for years to come. As for the 35mm print, the 4K disc could be the best home video disc ever released but as long as an equivalent 35mm print will still go through a projector, I think I'd prefer to watch that. Seeing T2 here on 35mm again after many years has reminded me how exciting it is to screen film at home. There's just something about it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes it must of been 1991 John as we saw it as soon as it was released , i still have the ticket stub here somewhere!! I think Swansea has a UCI cinema there now, i have not been to the cinema there for years..
I have an Independant Cinema/Theatre about 500 yards from my house Called Theatre Mwldan and thats where i see my films.
Excellent channel you have here laddy. I'm a big movie fan and have always wanted a 35mm enabled setup in my house . Only problem is, in England , we have crappy small houses and fitting a decent full projector in them would not be practical or feasible. Plus since films run on 5 reels you'd need a large platter to lace it on and that would take even more space, not possible in a regular generic detached house. You'd need a large house in the south of England for that ,which would, cost a few million . But I've been a huge fan of your channel for 2 years now and I have to tell you a few things about film and 4 k . Film doesn't have a resolution. It consists of a DPI formation which means the resolution is limitless , that's why movies were watchable on VHS AND LASERDISC because there were no pixels and even though the resolution was limited by the vhs / betmax tapes we would still watch them without annoying pixels. 4k and blu Ray are all digital video systems. They are made up of thousands of tiny dots , like the dot matrix displays, and if one pixel is missing then the whole image is distorted, so 4k can never be compared to 35mm . Because Film has no resolution. You can blow it up to any screen size and it will always retain every detail the camera picked up on , cell by cell. Film cells are just like the human eye sees . Now can you put a resolution on the human eye and say it sees at 20k? No. But some scientists will say yes . That's not true , the eye sees in DPI too . Just like Film and of course video and film are 2 different creations altogether. It's true since film comes in different sizes 8mil 16mil 35mil and of course 70mill the resolution stays the same on each format but details is more visible on larger screens for the eye to see. It's not that 16mil is less able than 70mil but it's how the eye translated the detail. If you put a 16mil film on an imax screen the resolution would be the same but the eye would not be able to see the fine details, the details would not be distorted on the screen , but you'd need to get close to see it . 70 mil because the cells are larger the details would be easier to see. Of course it depends on other factors like the type of film , the director shot on , quality, which emulsions and adhesive are used in the manufacturing of film and. Of course the dyes which are used also . Kodak has the best colour and image . Then there the cameras which a director uses. There are many thet can impact the viewing experience by 100% most directors opt for Panavisiin, which is American or Arriflex, which is German , or Moviecam , the three major ones . I would say Panaviaion is the most expensive and then there are the Lenses which are MOST important too. If the director uses the wrong lenses or a cheap lense then the image will be cheap and blurry . So you see film is not the same as 4k and it can never bee the same, even if you scanned a film cell at 200k resolution it still would not capture all the details on that film cell . It's gets very complex and goes into physics as how well the lense captured the photons from the light and then presses that light onto the film cell . Film has the same resolution as the human eye . Hahaha haha glad I was able to feed some input on the subject . Love the channel and love your cinema room .
A portable 35mm like my Ging Gan Shan SPECTRA 90 model is what you need to keep an eye out for. There are better machines but that's a good starter and there are enthusiasts who always step up to help us get the things working as well as possible. The Kinoton FP20 is actually about the same footprint so that might be even better given it takes 6000ft reels.
Thank you for taking the time to type up all the information about image quality and resolution. Right back in the early days of the whole HD video era there were comparisons of 'resolution' and while film cannot be equated there were estimates of around 900 lines for Kodachrome Super 8. Later on when the 2K DI nonsense came about which so harmed cinema across the western world, 35mm film began to have a capability equivalent of more than 5K applied to it. None of this is entirely true but simply estimates to put things into perspective. The advantage of digital video is it is cheap and that was clearly the main driver. Film is still my preferred choice but I do appreciate being able to project 4K videos at home and get close to cinema as we used to know it. 35mm film projection at home is cinema as we used to know it of course.
John.
Very good point Ben made about T2 in CDS. The only home video release to date that still has the original CDS is an early R1 DVD edition (I have a copy if it). The audio is superb. There were only a handful of CDS films, some are still stuck in Laserdisc limbo. I have a nearly complete CDS collection. Hudson Hawk is one that lost its CDS, the LD is Matrixed 4.1, not CDS, for example. Assuming for your screening you didn't have access to a CDS decoder?
The piece about Aliens at the end reminded me also of Alien. That's another one with a history still stuck in Laserdisc limbo. The THX Laserdisc has the original 70mm Sensurround 6 Track audio on it. No other release of the film has that available to date. I took the Sensurround Laserdisc track, dumped it bit perfect and muxed it to a dump of my 4K copy of the disc. It's now safely preserved on my NAS with the track added to it. A very good audio track and a shame it's hard to come by for many folks alas.
Apparently there were only ever one or two prints over here with the CDS track so even if we did track one of them down the chances of getting the sound equipment to decode it would probably be the hardest part of all. I'd forgotten all about CDS until Ben mentioned it while we were recording.
LaserDisc does seem to have been the best video disc format for original sound now that I'm looking back at it.
John.
@moviecollector5920 a quick and easy one to try which has CDS sound is the R2 DVD of Dick Tracy. The nightclub shootout scene is fantastic, even with the limitations of DVD.
A more obscure film I have on Laserdisc that has incredible CDS sound is the 1991 film Final Approach. Even the open titles are enough to smash your eardrums to bits with a small toffee hammer! Highly recommended.
@@bonnetdedouche437 Dick Tracy is a good possibility. I've never actually seen that film so shall keep an eye out for a copy. John.
@moviecollector5920 it's a terrible DVD, just Vanilla, nothing on it. But it does have that all important CDS audio. A good demo scene is Big Boy Caprice slurping soup before the gun battle scene. The slurps ripple forward with great separation on the sound stage. A simple thing, maybe, but effective I thought. The DVD is for peanuts on Amazon too (black cover, for a fiver, it has the 5.1 track on it which is actually the CDS track) so well worth it. Hope to see you review it in future maybe!? All the best John.
Great video John. I had that very same PAL laserdisc, it must have been the disc I watched the most out of my collection.
And I've never actually watched my copy Steve. It was just purchased to get the original Dolby Stereo (SR) sound onto the Super 8 print. Which sounds great by the way.
John.
Amazing and must be an incredibly rare 35mm.
What a treat it must have been. Thanks for another wonderful video John.
How about an Aliens screening - I know you have the Super 8, do any of your friends have a larger print?
Filmed the Aliens 35mm/4K comparison yesterday Key. It's going to take a while before I can put it all together though.
T2 on 35mm is actually quite common with film collectors. It was such a massive film in 1991 that quite few prints were kept from the bandsaw treatment before going into the landfill. If only we could get some of those prints back into cinemas, but that's a job for the future by which time there will be even fewer cinemas in existence that need saving.
John.
@@moviecollector5920can’t wait to see your Aliens 35mm review John. You do so much for the film community - very much appreciated!
@@TravelHonestly I've just spent the last two hours or so editing the Aliens shots from yesterday and it looks like it's going to end up being very nice indeed. Probably a day or two solid editing to get it as good as possible yet though. John.
My favorite Terminator!
The Terminator is near the very top of my all-time favourite films Gary. I consider this to be possibly the second best ever sequel. John.
Saw it twice in 35mm at the PCC over the years. What an experience, the old Guild Distribution Logo, the Carolco logo, and then having that bass booming out of the speakers makes you wonder why on earth would you want to remaster films 😂 And it was watching The Terminator in 35mm (again at the PCC) and that question cemented itself. The print of T1 I saw had burns and flicker and I’ve had trouble rewatching it ever since. It really doesn’t replicate the experience.
I have The Terminator on Super 8 with Dolby Stereo sound and it's wonderful in every respect. I can't imagine watching that film on any video format but a 35mm print would be nice to have too. I expect my equipment would project it without the flicker issue you experienced. I think you told me about the problem before and I now seem to recall that some people are susceptible to perceiving it. Hopefully it was a one off for you and all other film screenings will be perfect.
John.
Excellent ‘talking heads’ 35mm film review, John… enjoyed it a lot. Now looking forward to the Ghostbusters 2 documentary…
I actually watched T2 during the original release in 1991 in Singapore. It was showing at one of Singapore’s premier cinemas - huge screen and a 70mm blow up print, it was a great experience.
I bought the LD box set many years later (with the metallic T2 logo on the front). Still have that…
So, what do you think of the Terminator 2 4K release compared to the reel film experience? A lot of reviews call it ‘waxinator’ due to the excessive use of DNR removing all the grain and detail. But it seems a scrubbed 3-D version was used for the 4K release by mistake instead of the true 4k master… Thanks
I have nearly purchased the T2 4K a couple of times when it's been on offer for a tenner Stephen. But it always seems like a waste of money for something I'm never going to watch. I did just spend £20 on a 4K of Aliens I'll never watch though so madder things have happened. I have both T2 and Aliens on Super 8 so unless something happens to those wonderful prints then I'm unlikely to ever watch a home video equivalent. 35mm prints of both would be nice to have though!
A couple of comments have suggested T2 is going to get a new 4K video master soon. We'll see.
John.
Lovely video mate and looked a great night.
Always better to have friends with you to discuss a film afterwards. It did make this screening feel even more special. John.
That Last Night in Soho poster is still sooooo cool.
Given to me by the manageress of FOPP when I asked if they had any for sale. Brilliant! John.
Thanks, John!
You're welcome Jazzman. John.
New version 4k coming, hope Cameron doesn’t mess it up. Must have been heaven to view 35
It is always special to screen a 35mm print of anything but T2 is a little extra special. I have had the Super 8 print for over 30 years so I've never had to watch Terminator 2 on any home video format. But I had seen bits and pieces on that LaserDisc and I remember it being of very good quality. The sound will likely be the same original theatrical soundtrack as on that 35mm print too which means my Super 8 print has exactly the same thing. John.
Great review John. Very much looking forward to the Aliens review.
Me too. We're going to get together soon. That's the plan anyway and as I have started amassing things to take with me it's looking very likely for any day now.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Great News.
A machine learning the value of human life at the center of the film's story. And IT MUST BE 35 mm. I had fun following the conversation of three wise men...
Thank you Jens. We all had a lot of fun playing with T2 on film and then talking about it all and also Anthony's adventures with film documentaries. He's been involved in some great ones.
John.
I'll look for the fan documentary cleaning Up the town...
Spirit, some people hear it, some people fear it
Spirit, some people just won't go near it
Sho' as I'm me and the skies are blue
The Ghostbusters are back and all brand new....The two soundtracks from Ghostbusters 1 and 2 are also unforgettable. For me Ghostbusters 2 is just ahead because of songs by New Edition, Bobby Brown and Run DMC...
@@JensStelzer Ray Parker's team didn't agree to the use of the great theme song but the track created to replace that in Cleanin' Up The Town is almost as catchy and I can't get it off my mind for days after I hear it. John.
8:43 I’ve got the Cleaning up the Town Blu-ray - very enjoyable. Will look forward to their next film!!
It shouldn't be too long now but these things always take more time than you expect when you think you're nearing the conclusion.
John.
We screened T2 at our Mission Cinema in Mission BC, back when it came out. A really great sequel, IMHO!
It's possible that the only ever sequel that was better is Aliens. That's next on the slate then. John.
Nice video! Must’ve been quite a thing to see it in 35mm. T2 was the first R rated movie I’d ever seen. Smuggled a VHS copy into the house and watched it in the basement when it was originally released on video. I believe I was 12. I was normally too scared to watch R rated films but T2 just seemed to cool to pass up.
It was astounding at the Odeon Leicester Square. A 70mm blow up print back then meant the ultimate sound - six track magnetic. Phew! What an experience that was. John.
I have yet to watch this video, but I'm interested in how the 35mm version compares to the 4K release of this film, and if the colour timing is as drastically different as many have claimed it is.
Update: Ah so you mention this near the end of this video - looking forward to seeing it!
I haven't seen the 4K of Terminator 2 so I'm not best placed to judge it. However, there are some fleeting glimpses of the 35mm on screen which should give you some idea. However, colour on film looks slightly different depending on the light source being used to get it on screen. I'd say that nothing is ever exact so don't take any of it too seriously. Modern re-workings of films tend to use computer video editing to grade them and that means that different aspects within each frame can be amended and graded independently of the rest of the frame. With film grading is a frame at a time and the whole of that frame at once of course.
John.
its amazing how many cinemas are still running ac3 dolby today, in 1999 i saw phantom menace in sony sdds which was odd when the trailer played as i had never heard of sony sdds
Audio Code 3 - now there's a blast from the past. I think AC-3 is a better identity for a sound format than anything else. The LaserDiscs that came with Dolby Digital carried that AC-3 identity. Those were the days.
John.
@moviecollector5920
I'll only ever upgrade to a centre surround for EX
I'm pretty much 5.1 and not bothered about speakers in ceilings etc.
@moviecollector5920 the 35mm version of micheal manns the keep has the opening on the Internet and it looks amazing..
Although a film people love to hate on i personally think even it's confusing vhs edit is amazing
@@james-he1op When 6.1 and 7.1 first appeared on the home market I got an amp to do it. The room was too small and all it did was muddy the rear sound. I soon reverted back to the 5.1.
John.
great stuff guys. Cant wait to see Aliens. JDP
That Aliens 35mm/4K will hopefully be COMING SOON! John.
I am so glad I found and subscribed to your page. I love all your content and today was a special surprise. I so wished we lived closer and could meet and talk film and home entertainment viewing. You are excellent sir. Thank you. Question, is this 35 mm film anamorphic. Do you have the lenses for projecting anamorphic? - Toronto, Canada.
Morning Mike. Yes, it's anamorphic and yes, I have the lens to unsqueeze it thanks to my fellow film collecting friends. It's a wonderful community of like-minded enthusiasts. Ben did so much work to this projector to make the sound perfect and that really meant we were all able to enjoy T2 with great picture (thank you Steve Rowley and Noel Pratt) and sound.
John.
Wow. How amazing is that. What a treat. I’ve watched my box set laser disc so much. I never watched the DVD although I purchased it. And have bought the remastered version cause I’m a huge 3D. But still haven’t watched it. I think I may watch it sooner because of your post. Thanks again. And keep up the great work. And more importantly keep enjoying the movies. Can’t believe how much of a deal your friend got the print for. What a great deal and find. I can only imagine the sound you had playing the film that night. What a set up! Cheers!
I’m a die hard Cameron fanboy, and I’ll defend him to the end. But even I can’t defend his decisions for this in recent years.
Every home should have a 35mm print of T2!!!
@ Amen, sir 👍🏻
Note: There is no LFE in Dolby SR. There is a subwoofer channel derived from the L and R channels but not a separate/discrete .1 LFE channel. For Dolby Digital, the opposite is true - there is no subwoofer channel derived from the L and R channels, but rather an .1 LFE that only works when asked to. :)
And that is the main reason why the Dolby SR track sounding superior to the Dolby Digital track on Speed 2 and a few others I've heard is such a surprise. We all thought 'digital' was a panacea but there's no doubt that the use of computer sound and the chance to use the 'digital' buzz word was also partially a marketing ploy. I do wish 'digital' was always given the true label of 'binary' then maybe we wouldn't all be so quick to swallow what we're fed. It's a minor quibble though because the digital sound is still excellent, just not quite as good as the analogue at times.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 John, don't forget that Dolby Digital in the cinema is only 320 kbps for all 6 channels, which is perhaps the biggest reason why DD in the cinema may not sound very good. Admittedly, it has a larger dynamic range, split surround channels and discrete LFE unlike Dolby SR, but it can sometimes sound...ehm...scratchy.
TrueHD in the home is something else entirely. :)
@@adissabovic Good point. I often found digital sound to be disappointing compared to what we had been enjoying up to 1993. I realize that part of that disappointment was because 70mm prints had become rare to the point of non-existent and with them the six track magnetic sound.
John.
I envy you guys. I would love to watch an original 35mm print of T2, my favorite action film of all time. A dream of mine would be to own a movie theater like that, complete with the projector and 35mm print of T2
There are quite a lot of 35mm prints still extant out there Luke. So many managed to avoid a date with the band saw and crusher after the theatrical run. Seems crazy that 35mm prints all faced this fate years ago. Cinemas are crying out for them now to generate an occasional audience. Oh well.
John.
I'm personally partial to the 3D conversion that was done in the 2010s, but I'd love to see a 35 mm print of this movie in person. When I try to host movie nights with friends in VR chat, I make sure to at least include a sound format trailer before the movie starts. I mainly have a lot of old Dolby digital promos from the 90s (stuff like City, Egypt, Temple and train all with AC3 audio tracks, which is perfect for my setup) and a lot of THX bumpers from that THX store demo DVD. I have my Plex ever set up to randomly pick one before a movie starts as well. Heck, when I did Jurassic Park, even though it was the 3D conversion, I still managed to find a copy of the DTS digital experience trailer (A 4K scan of a print that somebody uploaded with surround sound audio) And I just made sure to play that before the movie started just to complete the experience of being in a theater.
Sounds to me like you're an ideal candidate to become a film collector Chris. You'd then have to set about finding all those trailers and snipes on film. It really is a lot of fun.
John.
@moviecollector5920 Oh, if only I had the money and space for it.
Visited BFI Southbank NFT1 for the first time last Saturday to watch the epic 5 hour Red Cliff (Parts I and II). In the downstairs lobby they have a Philips DP70. My friend wondered how that compares with a Kinoton FP75 which is what NFT1 previously had installed (~June 2017)?
If you or one of your friends know John, would be interested to hear how each projector compares against one another.
Thanks.
Well, I believe the DP70 is the only piece of cinema equipment to have ever been awarded a US Academy Award. I don't think anyone would challenge the supremacy of that great projector over anything else but you never know. The DP70 could also project TODD-AO which was 70mm at 30fps as well as the standard 35mm and 70mm at 24fps. One heck of a piece of kit. My colleague Steve Rowley has two of 'em!
John.
Love a bit of film chat. Thanks
I thought we'd been recording for about ten minutes but it was nearer 15 by the time we stopped. Time flies when you're having fun. John.
Special Edition of T2 on 4K with both theatrical and extended cuts, film grain and original blue color grading intact: Make it so, Cameron!
Yes, there's probably a huge seller there for the home video market if it does ever get done. John.
Looking forward to you comparing Aliens on film vs the new 4K! I would also like to hear your thoughts on the other new James Cameron 4k remasters.
I’m not fundamentally happy about the use of A.I. on film restorations, but the new 4K-restored Titanic, Aliens and The Abyss have been mostly enjoyable on my home OLED.
I saw The Terminator (1984) as the new 4K remaster a few nights ago on a big screen in a movie theatre here in Finland. It looked good to me and I was fully able to enjoy the movie - no awful A.I. artifacts caught my attention. I do plan to add that 4k-disc in my collection, as well.
However, I do hope the use of AI will not be the standard for future 4k-restorations in physical media. A 4k/8k scan and removing scratches and blemishes should be enough, and has been enough.
I did cover True Lies Kalle so look for that video which was more of a preview to the full video going up on Trevor's Double Bill Movies channel. Trevor thought the Blu-ray preferable but I felt the 4K just pipped it. Both of us thought the LaserDisc had the best sound.
I haven't seen the 4K of The Abyss but I have seen a clip and it looked very good to me. But then it should because it was a great looking film. Aliens should look good but I expect both Simon and I to prefer the film print. That's Coming Soon!
John.
How would you compare the 35mm of T2 to the 4K release? More detail in the grain structure?
I haven't seen the 4K but I think we all know there will be no possible comparison owing to the 4K coming from half of the 3D abomination. Apparently it's going to get a re-release so hopefully more of a true representation of what the 35mm prints looked like next time around.
John.
@moviecollector5920 one can only dream! I do enjoy the 3D presentation but I wanna see a nice detailed 2D transfer.
salut merci pour cette bonne vidèo bien
Bonjour et merci Alain. John.
Was the 35mm the BBFC cut version or did he manage to find the uncut US version?
It's the UK release Floyd. That's the one I think the three of us would all prefer to see as it was what we saw in 1991 so more authentic to reproduce the sensational first screening we all were astounded by back then. John.
The American werewolf in London in 4k also includes "Beware the Moon" documentary I'm happy to say. Also put out my arrow. The 4K did not include the Blu-ray just the 4K. Not sure if I feel happy about that. I like getting the Blu-ray when I buy the 4K. And I wanted to add ,it did not include the digital copy either. And for the price it should have. Wasn't cheap
If everything is on the 4K though Mark, what do we need a duplicate on Blu-ray for? I know some people like to watch their discs over and over again and in several rooms where they don't always have 4K players everywhere, but that has got to be a rarity. I've had a few 4K players develop the 4K Fault but where that happens I want to see the film as a 4K disc and not the Blu-ray which means I've had to replace them (with one exception - Apollo 11, which looks just as good on Blu-ray).
John.
The blu ray/4K "Big sleeve" editions, were similar to your laser disc T2 edition.
Sadly no longer made.
I never saw one of those. I think gatefold LP/LD size 4K special multi-disc releases would work and sell well. They'd also take up less space on a shelving rack. 100 LaserDiscs take up far less space than 100 DVD's or Blu-rays.
John.
@@moviecollector5920They were out for a short time a few years back.
I really liked them, but obviously not enough did as they stopped making them.
There were a few big titles such as Back to the future, jurassic Park, indiana Jones and some Disney films.
But they weren't really around long enough to produce T2 and the like, which was a shame.
I only thave the Super 8 chase sequence of T2, but it is great quality. At an NFT talk the Dolby people said that if the Dolby Digital track failed ot would revert to Dobly Stereo and no-one would notice!!!
I aslo saw a showing of "Walkabout" in NFT2 this year - unfortunately no Q&A wiht Jenny after.
Evening Brian. I think The Chase extract is even better quality than the feature but all these prints vary so it might just be my copy. It is Derek's check print which came down for the BFCC and Keith had to record the sound onto it because it was mute. A brilliant reel though and I ran it a couple of weeks ago.
I run a reel of 35mm trailers this afternoon and one of those trailers sounds particularly good. The amazing thing is that it's the only one without digital sound.
John.
Yesterday I watched a copy of jacob's ladder on laserdisc on dolby stereo up mixed in to newer Atmos up mixer dolby surround and I was amazed how good it was it was 10 times better then todays mixes of Dolby digital + on streaming. On the older laserdisc mix I was like how in the heck is this going on I hear sound all over anyway it blew me away. I wish todays mixes would be close to that and not so front sound heavey and compressed sounding. I bet T2 in dolby stereo was amazingon on 35mm I have a LD se edition I should put in a revisit soon I have been watching the 4k edition in the last few years and im use to that one .
LaserDisc always came with the original soundtracks and it can be surprising how good they sound today. Earlier this year Trevor from Double Bill Movies came over with the 4K of TRUE LIES as well as the Blu-ray and the DVD. I had the LaserDisc. We both felt the LD had the best sound of them all.
Another snippet I'll impart is that because I was early into the home Dolby Stereo surround sound thing more than 30 years ago - to give us cinema sound to match the ten foot screen and many of the best Super 8 feature releases - I was always looking to get better and better sound. When the 6.1 and 7.1 amplifiers came to market I couldn't resist but I quickly realized the sound was muddied. I decided a much bigger room was required to get the best out of all that and so I quickly went back to 5.1 and unless I ever get a home cinema about 20 foot square, that's how I'm staying. However, smaller speakers would probably benefit from more of them but I've been THX Ultra for more than 20 years now so that ain't ever going to happen.
John.
It would be great to see an Aliens comparison video :)
All being well that Aliens 35mm to 4K comparison will be COMING SOON! John.
@@moviecollector5920 Look forward to it!
I wish they would fix the T2 4K. Especially with the original finally releasing soon.
No, just find a 35mm print! John.
I prefer the extended version with the Kyle Reese dream sequence but the original ending.
I've never watched it Andy but the Kyle Reese sequence is shown in the theatrical trailer. That alone made me realize why it was excised. How to upset the flow of a film was my thinking.
John.
@moviecollector5920 possible John but it does provide motivation for Sarah in her escape, I love Michael Biehn so it's my preferred version.
T2 Director's cut in 4K one day... Hopefully...
I did see the extra bits in that version. Didn't like the changes though but I suppose I know the film so well. John.
@moviecollector5920 can't imagine the movie without the mirror scene, it feels so crucial
all these years later Terminator is unfortunately becoming more and more prophetic.
Rollerball is another one. But hopefully things might just start to head in the right direction now. We'll see. John.
@@moviecollector5920 going to watch Gladiator 2 in Imax?
I saw terminator 2 at the odeon marble arch
What a great cinema that was. The largest screen in the country at the time. Now demolished. Doesn't it make you want to weep!?!
John.
@ oh yes biggest screen in the uk at the time
And without the unnecessary additional scenes.
... which spoil the film Turrican. I would find it difficult to watch a different version of the film as I know T2 so well. John.
Not the biggest fan of T2 for some reason. I prefer The Terminator personally. Aliens on the other hand is James Cameron's best film to date! It is exceptional and easily in top 3 best films ever made. Never got to see it at the cinema as I was only 10 years old back in 1986😂. Cheers John.
I too think The Terminator is the better film but as an action spectacular, I can't think of another quite like T2. The Aliens 35mm/4K shoot should be COMING SOON. I saw Aliens four times in the cinema - three times in 70mm (a blow-up of course) and once in 35mm.
John.
@moviecollector5920 Your a lucky man John. Brilliant film.
Plasma rays are purple!!!! I knew it!!
Whatever video format I shoot DLP projecion, the purple lines show up. Damn it. John.