Grilling JR
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- 'Who's Next' on Grilling JR? Today, JR and Conrad look back at Goldberg's WWE run! Topics include Goldberg before his wrestling days, signing with WCW, negotiations to bring Bill into WWE, issues with Triple H, his eventual debut, Gillberg, becoming a 'maniac' backstage, WrestleMania XX's infamous match with Brock, and much more!
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Need a Scott Steiner WWE JR episode
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Please 🙏
Especially since the anniversary of that horrendous Rumble match from 2003 coming up.
@@stephanielopez627520 years almost my goodness
holla if you hear me
5:00 is when it begins. Merry Christmas to Conrad and JR for a great series!
JR said Vince McMahon didn't like wrestlers that had agents..... probably cause he didn't won't to have to pay out more money.
21:34. JR is wrong here because the Rock wasn't a babyface when he and Goldberg wrestled Rock was still a heel after Mania 19 when he beat Austin so for at least 2 or 3 months Rocky was a heel. It wasn’t 2 babyfaces going head to head.
Holy shit thank fucking Christ you noticed that how will life ever be the same? Thank you so much for pointing that out people will sleep soooooo much better ..1800 get a life
I mean he was acting like a heel sure but he was still getting face reactions. People couldn't hate Rock no matter how hard he tried
@daleharris3809 Um no he wasn't getting babyface reactions. I'm rewatching the Rock Heel run from February 2003 to June 2003 right now Rock was booed brother you need to watch it again yourself or come up with something better to say.
So...Jericho was Meltzer's source.
I listen to this everyday jr keep going
1:32:45. To be perfectly honest if I was Goldberg and I heard one of my bosses say that. I'd of asked for my release and get whatever I was owed. Totally unprofessional of Liden McMahon to say that if anything it proves that WWE lost interest in Goldberg and they probably should of never made a deal with him.
When JR talks about Jericho wanting to kick out twice from the spear and the jackhammer and Jr talks about see how it spreads like wildfire to another wrestler wanting to protect his gimmick.
I remember Macho Man Randy Savage pitching a fit about protecting his gimmick so it could have started with him or maybe even far back as Hulk Hogan
You guys should do a Booker T episode in the future!
It's weird to hear a part of your childhood that you enjoyed talked about like it was a total disaster. In hindsight the flaws were apparent but I do have fondness for many moments in his 03 WWE run. The WM20 match was burned in my mind as a downer though, particularly with them leaving afterward. I still find it fascinating how he and Austin were both surrogates for one another after Austin initially retired and when Bill couldn't conclude the Lesnar storyline.
The clumsiness with the way they handled Goldberg initial run is exactly the reason why Austin left the company the year before. The 90s creative was about making characters more edgy and bad-ass. The 00s creative was about making characters more silly. Storylines went from Austin ruining Mcmahon's plans to chase him out of the WWE to Mcmahon trying to get his wrestlers to kiss his ass *for an entire show*
I don't think that's a fair description of what frustrated Austin. I think it's more accurate to say that Goldberg and Austin both were dissatisfied because their egos were too big.
"I am a huge Goldberg fan!" I enjoyed his feud with The Rock and H.H.H. His best work is from WCW no question.
Think of this from Jericho's perspective. He left WCW and helped contribute to WWF winning the proverbial Monday night war, and to thank him for this he is put in a lower spot the stars from the company he left in the first place. What a slap in the face.
No slap in the face..he simply was never on that exclusive main event level like Austin,Rock,Undertaker,HHH,Hogan & even Goldberg where...
The stories I've heard about Chris is that he was a backstage politician. RVD said as much that he only wanted to get himself over. It might've sucked to lose to Bill with their history but it was best for business and made the most sense. Chris didn't see the big picture, just saw himself and what he wanted. Kicking out of the spear would have killed Goldberg's finish and made it common right out of the gate. Jericho was mid card in WCW and was nowhere near as dominant as Goldberg in WWE. He should've been squashed and got his revenge helping Evolution.
I was a WWF kid and hated WCW at the time so to see the WCW guys come in and go over our boys was an insult
we had been told how crap-ass wcw every week for the last 10 years so why are their guys coming in and beating ours? we must really suck
NWA and WCW had the greatest wrestler's ever in any business.
No one could ever replace Ric Flair and There will never be another Ric Flair or Sting, Lex Luger, Ricky the Dragon Steamboat, dick slider, Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes, the Road Warriors rock and roll Express Midnight Express Steiner Brothers, fabulous three birds, Rick Rude and don't ever forget that everyone's favorite the Undertaker started out in the WCW. The list can go on forever....hell maybe that's why the Undertaker was so good because he took from what he learned in WCW and brought it to WWF.........The only reason why WCW went under was cause there simply wasn't enough promotion going on they just started the business up and there was some throat cutting going on like Vince McMahon buying different territories out to make WCW more isolated.
WCW is simply the best......Wooooo!!
Now imagine being a WCW kid, hating WWE, then watching them bury megastars like DDP and Goldberg with shocking bad storylines. Thats what was actually insulting.
@GJR Only months before, it took The Rock 3 Rock Bottoms to finish Stone Cold, including 2 kick outs, total of 3 finishes in a row. I assume then that this is only acceptable in this case, as it was his last match, albeit unnoticed to the general fan. Much respect & thank you
Thank God he didn't win with that silly elbow drop
@@The_Sage_of_Six_Paths that silly elbow drop was more over than certain wrestlers. And he beat hogan with it
The entire world could tell that Tony Kahn doesnt ask JR anything about creative. The ratings prove it too, 361,000 viewers? 😂😂😂
should have had him win at summerslam
I'd pay to hear Jr and king commenting again BUT not on the current product. On matches they didn't call. Such as WCW, TNA, NWA, ECW ppv matches (sting vs Hogan, Goldberg vs ddp, Bully Ray vs Hardy in the cage, flair vs steamboat 94) that would be INCREDIBLE.
I’m glad the online community wasn’t so big back then. Goldbergs first run isn’t nearly as enjoyable when you know about all the backstage BS
Wish you would've dug deeper into that SummerSlam '03 elimination chamber main event. It wasn't about the sledgehammer being a good or bad way for Goldberg to lose, discuss should he have lost that match period? No! Keep in mind the missteps in his booking to that point, then watch that match. Before the finish he was booked perfectly. Doing awesome looking power moves and spots, the fans were going ballistic and chanting his name loud. And triple h barely did anything in that match because of his injury. That's when they needed to pull the trigger.
The way wwe booked Goldberg was just horrible..wcw in 2000/01 booked him better than wwe did in 2003/04...
| am a big fan of Goldberg
Bill was simply spoiled when he joined WWe and never had to put much work in WCW. He had no clue what it was like putting work in to get over with the fans.
I need JR to tell me to check my man card on a daily basis.
JR is right, they should have made the singles match between Goldberg and Triple H at 6-8 mins instead of 15 mins.
I hate the holidays 😒. It's always cool every year I seem to get sick with something and I work with the public and they are just a bouch of assholes 🤷. I can't wait for April to get here 😮💨.
Need a Batista one jr
For years and years and years and years I remember Goldberg versus Lesnar being such a horrible match and how many people have talked over the years since about how bad it was. But you know what it wasn't that bad. It was actually decent. I mean no one expected it to be a five-star classic but if you take out the crowd booing the shit out of both of them because they were leaving, the match itself all the very basic because neither man cared didn't have any big botches or anything like that and was nowhere near the worst WrestleMania match ever. I was just one of many average big man matches. And while Lesnar absolutely was capable of much better especially compared to the year before, he got a decent big man match out of Goldberg. I honestly think that everyone remembers it being so awful because the crowd tore it to shreds and neither man gave a shit. But it was better than their matches more recently but the crowd was behind the more recent matches. I truly think that if you meet the audio from the original and pipe in a hot crowd and just cut out the parts where the guys are flipping off the crowd and shit, the match is actually not bad at all
Vince buried every single WCW star
Goldberg and Stonecold dominated the wrestling circuit.....
Rock and Stone Cold did pal
You won't find any better seafood than Myrtle Beach South Carolina and there is no better tasting Mandy fresh oysters you get out of North Carolina in Little River and Varanm town.... You can bet on that.
To be fair the formula eventually stopped working in WCW too
Whoa, JR commented positively on HHH's handling of business right now. JR must also be pissed at AEW.
Does Metzler get a percentage from all these pods Or does Conrad have a man crush
@1:48:00 any wrestler who holds the BGB upside down will inevitably fail.
Hbk avoided him cuz he would killed him like he did hogan 2005 on promos
Goldberg's 2003 debut was on point, but almost all of his booking after that was trash. When it wasn't trash, it was simply damage control. His 2016-2017 run was much better.
Need a full Rey mysterio episode and a Booker t
💥🦵I don't think Brett Hart enjoyed Goldberg's unpredictable charm 😉
Lmao
I always heard Goldberg was hard to work with. Like his attitude was bad. Like dealing with the Ultimate Warrior or Triple H during the early 2000's 🤔.
Tony Khan does not consult with Jim Ross?..wow,he must be a real expert with everything pro Wrestling...
1:10:25. JR talks about where Goldberg would have to use 2 Spears or 2 jackhammers and he says that he doesn't think it's a good idea to do that...... Well I agree with JR.....I remember 1 of Goldberg and Brock Lesnar's rematch they both did like 10 of there finishing moves on one another.... To me that's just ignorant.
Goldberg wasn’t good on the mic 🎤 but did all the talking in the ring
"The biggest star in the company says adios".
Hogan?
rock?
🤣nice room jr is in.
I love what Jericho did to Goldberg, but let’s be clear, choking someone unconscious with a guillotine choke is not nearly as easy as JR makes it sound here.
Prime Nikita would have KILLED Goldberg And Lesnar, He was a BEAST in the early 80's!
Goldberg's 2003 WWE run was--& let's be real--garbage. His feud with the Rock was good but the match was so-so, his match with Jericho to me was meant to sabotage Goldberg & his feud with Evolution was becoming tiresome
What killed it was they had him wrestle long matches like 20 plus minutes the way the second run was handled much better in terms of it was unpredictable stuff. His world title matches should have been the only ones with any length. Him not winning the belt until unforgiven was a month too late
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I agree with you there. I also think those 20 minute matches were meant to make him look bad. I enjoyed his 2nd run myself, but that 1st one though? SMH. I can kind of relate to him in regards to how he was being treated
Let's be honest the whole product by 2003 was garbage. Creative went to sh*t after WM17
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SmackDown in 2003 was pretty damn good until after WM20.
@@CraigSmithII If you compare it to today sure. If you compare it to the product we were getting in the late 90s I'd say no. That's why ratings were down and top talents were frustrated with their creative and leaving. Vince was back to sticking guys with wacky gimmicks that didn't fit them instead of giving his talent the creative freedom that allowed them to win the war in the 1st place.
More watch alongs
I miss wrestling in the 1990s ,just like I miss rap music in the 1990s....
Sports and entertainment was never better than the 90s.. look at football the cowboy dynasty look at basketball ball the bulls dynasty and Michael jordon. Nascar was at its peak.. just like wrestlings 90s attitude era and the monday night wars.. some of the greatest and highest rated movies came out of the 90s.. forest Gump titanic to name a couple.. action stars like van dam seagal Schwarzenegger Stallone were at there peak... the 90s was the best time for television all the way around no matter what you liked....
@@DNSV-ex8of you just broke it down….you are right about the movies…
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It could be because back then people gave it there all and they weren't stuck-up like most people of today and because they actually care about what they did.
Now days the people in wrestling don't know $h!t and they don't care about the fans and they don't know or don't won't to connect with the fans. In other words they don't give a damn as long as they get paid $$$,$$$
Wrestlemania 19 was in my hometown of Seattle Washington. I was there live in the crowd and I think it was a huge mistake not having an austin vs Goldberg dream match instead we got Austin vs rock for the third straight time and a night later on raw Goldberg debut WWE really dropped the ball here and maybe I might piss off some diehard Steve Austin fans, but I don’t give a shit. I’m going to be honest after WCW went out of business and the Monday night war was over Steve Austin was no longer relevant. He was passed his prime this is why in 2002 he wasn’t booked very strong and he walked out of WWE he couldn’t face the fact that he was no longer the top guy there is a lot of parallels between Steve Austin and hulk hogan they didn’t want to wrestle certain wrestlers. They were very cocky and Steve Austin did not want to put over Brock Lesnar.. Steve Austins prime years was 1996 1997 1998 and 1999 by the year 2000 wrestlers like Triple H The Big Show Chris Jericho brock Lesnar was gaining lot of popularity, and Austin was very jealous of those guys success because he wasn’t the top star going into the 2000s. He was a shell of his former self he reached his peak by the year 2000 and if he didn’t get injured at summer slam 1997, maybe we would’ve had a few more good years out of Austin
Does Conrad work for Dave Meltzer?? Cause he's always mentioning his opinions on a podcast & it's kinda annoying.. At first I thought Conrad was obsessed with Meltzer (in a weird way) but i'm beginning to think he's being paid to share that man's thoughts about every topic discussed.. You can easily tell JR & Eric Bischoff aren't fond of Meltzer at all lol..
Problem Identifier
"Vince was probably underwhelmed of Bill's lack of product knowledge" You'd think that would've played in his favor with Vince.
Was never a fan of Goldberg because he was all style and no substance. He was a generic strong man. He couldn’t cut a promo, he couldn’t put on a technical match… he was just a big guy who had short squash matches. That to me was never entertaining.
Being a big guy does not prohibit one from actually being capable at cutting promos, being a big guy does not prohibit one from putting on long engaging matches. Case in point The Undertaker. He was a monster but he could put on a promo and he could wrestle for more than 5 minutes.
What you described is exactly what he was supposed to be, a big strong guy. If you view wrestlers through the lens as everyone needs to be able to have the gift of gab on the microphone or have a technical match, doing drop toe holds and side russian legsweeps, then yeah a lot of people aren't going to fit that mold. Undertaker was a freak of nature, there's a reason he was called the Phenom, not really fair to expect every big guy to do what he does. Sometimes a guy's "promo" is his appearance instead of his talking, like Andre the Giant or Yokozuna. Andre talked and sounded like he had a mouth full of marbles, but still attracted an audience because he was big as hell.
@@Jukeboxster That's why Andre only worked as an attraction when he showed up a couple of times a year. Goldberg simply didn't work in the long run cause he was boring. His stick was up in WCW after 1998 as well.
Creative definitely dropped the ball, but Goldberg was also an insecure goof.
It's funny, on Bruce Prichard's podcast on Goldberg in WWE, he put ALL the blame on Goldberg for his failure and claimed Goldberg had taken responsibility as well. With Meltzer blaming creative, that's just another reason why Bruce hates Uncle Dave.
bruce is an ass licking stooge
Gillberg was better than Goldberg
Ray Charles eyes worked better than yours
1 ON 1🧟🧟🧟 NOBODY CAN FUCK WITH GOLDBERG 1998-2004
You know it's a work
@@markymark718 😂😂😂😂 facts!!!!!! Fake as fuck and talking like it’s real
@@DeitrichDavis LOL right
Not that I don't trust JR, but are his sauces really good? Thinking about buying some, especially the hot sauce.