Can THE CITIZEN compete with Grand Seiko?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- This is one of the nicest mechanical products Citizen makes. Its priced similarly to a mechanical Grand Seiko. But can it truly compete?
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0:00 - 1:47 The Citizen
1:47 - 4:50 What makes it special?
4:50 - 5:50 Movement vs Movement
5:50 - 7:30 Details vs Details
7:30 - 8:12 Putting GS to shame
8:12 - 10:27 Closing Thoughts - Розваги
Hey Bruce, great review! Thanks so much for doing it! I have been a huge Citizen fan for many, many years. Your very thorough, fair, and objective review of the watch is extremely interesting. I really enjoyed the closer look at the watch under the macro lens. Being a Grand Seiko collector as well, I can certainly see the differences. It will be interesting to see how the "The Citizen" line evolves as they begin to expand into the US market, which they are currently doing. Thanks again, my friend!
All thanks to you!
This is symbol of true watch nerd and a rich one at that. A man with such a watch would surely own more than enough iconic timpieces.
Knowing my buddy they way I do... yes he is a true watch lover with an awesome watch collection
I prefer the Chronomaster quartz versions myself! But this one is cool too
Very nice. The better these get, the more pressure it puts on GS to up their game as well. This kind of competition benefits the enthusiast when it causes the manufacturers to continually improve.
Great point
The dial is really sharp. The design of that case is fantastic!
I like seeing Citizen competing with GS.
Price aside, this is a frigging stunning watch. I said "wow" out loud a couple of times watching the video. Really gorgeous.
WORTH.......EVERY........PENNY!!! Bravo, Citizen!! Absolutely gorgeous, unique watch amongst all the other look-alikes. And the market seems to agree - selling at above retail. Keep it up Citizen - only the novice can't get past the name, and that's ok! :)
Interesting review. I have a couple of Citizen Campanolas (mechanical and quartz) and a recently acquired hi-beat GS. I think the dials of the Campanolas compare favourably to GS and arguably even a bit better, although the GS applied markers are something else. The big standout on the Campanola mechanical is the superb AR coating which is class leading and that includes the big Swiss brands. I also think the bracelet on the Campanola is better than GS, but the one on my GS is perfectly fine imo (find it very comfortable) and has micro-adjustment which is nice.
Very interesting review, Bruce, thanks!
First time I am seeing a review about this one, dont know about Grand Seiko but it appeals to me more than a Zenith Defy for sure
I doubt the finishing on these could beat zenith, and you can get a second hand defy for a hefty discount
@@yesun6702 to me it can compete against the Zenith on the case and bracelet quality/finishing, as Bruce says probably not on the dial/hands 😅, and it seems to me it can compete in term of movement finishing against the Elite movement from Zenith but I am no expert. Speaking about money it's obvious the Zenith is easy to find with a discount when the Citizen is a unicorn 😅, in the end I am attracted to that Citizen when I used to own the Zenith and was kind of disapointed
Great review and above all attention to detail. Much appreciated.
That natural lighting as always is top notch. Great cinematography Bruce.
Citizen Rules !!!!!!!!!!! Used to be a Seiko Fan boi, but have slowly moved away from them. Nice watch here, and review!
I have a The Citizen HAQ AQ4100-65W and it's stunning. I'm actually not a big GS fan these days, so I prefer these, but that's all subjective. This watch is so good. Would love to own one some day
Can Citizen compete with Grand Seiko? No. No they cannot.
I think their Eco-drive chronomaster are best bang gor buck. It might be a quartz but they are highly finished and have very accuracy than most Grand Seikos at +5 to -5 per year. Also they have a perpetual calendar so they adjust to leap years. No need to fix date at end of the month. It's a set it and forget it one and done watch.
I wasn’t aware that Citizen made movements, outside of Miyota - especially a La Joux-Perret. It’s a beautiful piece, and I love the way the details of the dial and bracelet are integrated. I’m still in the Grand Seiko camp, but Citizen isn’t too far behind. Maybe we’ll see a Grand Citizen, sometime in the near future!
The Citizen is Citizen's answer to GS. There's no reason to make Grand Citizen.
Very nice looking watch. I was hoping to see a review of The Citizen high accuracy quartz watch, which to me is way more interesting than one more LJP automatic watch.
Was thinking the exact same!
It's definitely a beauty... if one could get over the mental block of spending that kind of money on a Citizen - said as someone who owns and enjoys Citizen watches.
What a nice looking watch. IDK if its better than GS, but it looks probably better than the newer dial variants of Nivada Grenchen's F77.
It's really nice, it looks great on the bike, I love the watch.❤ Citizen Moving in the right steps.
The first Citizen 0100 have not miss more than a minute since they start running. Any mechanical automatic watch can do that?
Grand Seiko understood that it needed a more distinct separation between the two brands also getting rid of the old Seiko logo that used to be present. I’m feel Citizen needs to do the same and have a more distinct difference in logo and brand ; as for many this will still look and be a regular Citizen that could be bought for $150.
that is one serious THE CITIZEN out there
that's beautiful
Those uni-directionally winding rotors seem entry-level to me. Not sure if that's a valid take, but I've always associated bi-directional winding with higher quality movements.
I think these look great to be honest. Good value too.
I am always shocked at the idea of “stealth wealth.” Every item I see under this category screams luxury. If anything, I think these items simply display “wealth.” Or perhaps “wealth with taste.”
No one who knows anything about jewelry would imagine this to be anything but expensive. I used to wear Grand Seiko as a young man because it was awesome. No one knew the brand, but they knew Seiko, and the watches always drew compliments. I sold them all a few years back when the brand went full Hublot. I think this Citizen is everything Grand Seiko used to be. I almost bought the white paper dial, then did not because I became aware of the mechanical. Now, I think I just want quartz. The paper dials are amazing though.
the "The Citizen " eco drive quartz +/- 5 secs per year watches are easily better than grand seiko . it usually comes in titanium with zaratsu polishing + their proprietary duratec coating to eliminate all minor scratches , same price as the GS quartz and offers better value for money tbh
Reminds me more of a Zenith Defy than Grand Seiko. As for GS, I’ve heard too many complaints of their service and their case design is boring.
I have a citizen chronomaster with the washi paper dial and a gs snowflake. The finishing on the citizen is about 95% as good as the gs
They're hard to find. I really like them.
that is a sick watch
I think they are far superior to GS. The bracelet is a particular improvement over GS offerings.
How did I not know about The Citizen.
I Love Citizen❤❤
Beautiful watch all around! Very nice quality. Although the 9SA5 beats that movement any day lol. GS dial work is also superior still I would say
9SA5 wouldn't run as good as this one unfortunately.
@@chia-mingyang5804 Are you speaking in terms of accuracy? It may have a slightly wider deviation but 9SA5 is still within COSC parameters I believe. I was speaking about the finishing on the 9SA5
@@drchung474 Most 9SA5 owners report way worse(10-20sec/day) real life deviations.
*The Citizen Quartz kills the best Grand Seiko Quartz. The best GS makes is Citizens worst at 5 seconds per year. The best Citizen is at 1 second per year something even GS can't match.*
The quality of citizen absolutely competes. However, they don't have enough options to compete with GS. They need some more creative dials and colors like the GS Shunbun etc
The ceramic bezel design is interesting… I’d like others to use this design! Nice watch but no GS match
What reference of this citizen?
Nice watch, but marred by that horrible eagle logo. They're even putting them on the newer Chronomasters, which is a real shame.
but what reference is it?
Too bad the no date version was only limited to higher tier with leather strap. And regular version will come with date complications
Urrgh that black bezel
But no micro adjustment
If you paid $7k for this watch, please reach out, I have a few items for sale that you should be the discerning buyer for.
Hi Mr Williams, do you think it could be possible that The Citizen watches are made in the same factory as Grand Seiko pieces? Given the comparable quality and both coming from Japan
No. Omega and Rolex are not made in the same factory either just because both are swiss
0.0% chance
Different brands, different manufacturing facilities, same country
The clasp no on the fly adjustment…. No no no
Great looking watch let down by the word citizen on the dial and nothing original (dauphine hands, hammered GS type dial, integrated case....all signature features on other watch designs). Will buy one on m when prices collapse 2nd hand or they lose the citizen branding on dial (leaving the eagle)
better than GS in my opinion 😅
Citizen > Seiko ... change my mind
Also this seems to be the first citizen I have seen that has appreciated. ALl the other mass "mall" ones drop like rocks. Still amazing watches.
„Change my mind“ - nobody need to. It’s your choice. I wouldn’t even go for a GS. So I’m far from thinking about a Citizen.
If you spend this money on a Citizen, you know you have lost the control over your life.
It's true
On the contrary it means you know quality without worrying so much about the name.
Would you say the same about GS?
This thing is crap compared to any GS aside from the entry level GS under 4k.
Problem 1: it may be ‘The’ Citizen, but the dial still only reads Citizen.
Problem 2: coming out of the gate at that price range, you’d expect better finishing on the movement.
Problem 3: (as you mentioned) the dial furniture finishing is just not up to snuff. Way too man QC issues.
Problem 4: “from arms length” ….exactly.
Problem 5: getting away from the name. We’re all conditioned to think “mall watch” when we hear Citizen. $5-6k is an insanely big ask.
Bottom line: this line should have launched at the $1-2k range and given time to breathe until it gets its act together.
No
Excellent points. agreed. It kind of feels like citizen thought they could just bunny hop over the half-century of overall investment & efforts GS has made into their brand, and then simply get to “instantly ride shotgun” alongside them.
That said, I’m definitely interested to see where this takes the high-end citizen watch category…
@@pushslice agreed, curious to see where they land. They just need to be a bit more realistic regarding their station in the watch world.
I’m impressed. I’d pay $1800 for it. Thanks
Lol
nothing grand about seiko
Seriously? It's 2024 and I think they have proven themselves over and over.
No.
Bracelet looks like Tissot PRX.
Both suck!
Ugly movement, unattractive architecture, laughable finish compared to Grand Seiko. Not even close.
The citizen is a dumb name tbh
Graet wach beautiful